Suppression

[graceful crescent]

When do we get to play with this incredible new toy

[vale tree]

We still have a bit to go with development, then it will be tested privately before being released on the workshop

I want to make sure it is fully optimised + adjusted visually before releasing it to the masses

[graceful crescent]

Does caliber effect suppression values?

[vale tree]

Right now, no - but it will.

[graceful crescent]

Hell yeah

[vale tree]

What you see above is literally the first test. So early days, but I feel it is heading in the right direction.

[graceful crescent]

@vapid ice

Here ya go

[sharp girder]

Damn, you came first! :D
Gj, very much looking forward to this!
(Was looking into "porting" my Suppress mod for A3 to Enfusion)

[vapid ice]

@dusty sluice Funny timing innit

[dusty sluice]

Great minds, and great progress!

[vapid ice]

Gonna have a suppression competition

See which one is best :D

[graceful crescent]

Or join forces and help each other in your blind sides

And work on it together, instead of two competing mods

I guess whichever one releases First will be the most used, if y'all go the Competition route

[vale tree]

Well my addon was mainly for my server I run with a group of friends, that is my main focus. I just figured this time around I would make it public.

I am not as concerned with its popularity in the workshop.

[vapid ice]

Pretty sure your goal align then :D

[sterile marten]

Oh man I started working on this EXACT same project last week lol. Looks like I'll be putting this on the back burner. Good work.

[vale tree]

I reckoned that people have been after this sort of thing for a while

[sterile marten]

Yep. Definitely something I want to run at events.

[vale tree]

Well next phase is calculating the projectile flybys affecting suppression, should have a new video in a couple of days

[dusty sluice]

Yep I was doing the exact same thing with my own server/game mode (Seize & Secure).

[vale tree]

Well no harm in a couple of different interpretations, people can choose whichever they prefer.

[dusty sluice]

I'm certainly not out to compete with you, friend. Hope your project goes nicely! Very impressed with your blur effect too.

[vale tree]

Thank you

[karmic bison]

Will suppression affect weapon sway like the rather controversial ico in squad?

[vale tree]

That is not planned as it is something I feel is unnecessary.

This addon is really just to add immersion. I have played a few games in the past that have overdone this sort of thing.

Maybe, if it is heavily requested, it can be a server side setting. But we will see...

[graceful crescent]

I feel like if it's super close, or hits something super close, the character should flinch

No amount of training will stop you from flinching when Machinegun fire comes overhead

[vale tree]

There will be a visual flinch, that is already planned - it will be subtle and let you know of near misses

[graceful crescent]

That's all you'll need
I love the sound of this already

[karmic bison]

👍

[scenic lintel]

@vale tree Will suppression work in a tank? I mean, won't it happen that a machine gunner with M249 can suppress the crew that is in the tank?

[vale tree]

In theory yes, impacts near or around vehicles, flybys from gunners will cause suppression. I will test special cases like this and if it causes issues, it can be rectified.
Personally I think the more chaos the better, but lets see how it goes!

[scenic lintel]

It’s just that the tank gunner won’t feel small arms fire, that’s what I’m talking about.

[vale tree]

Sure, there will need to be rules per vehicle - the gunner in the back of a UAZ with mounted gun would potentially suppress the other passengers, but suppression would be disabled for occupants of a BTR for example.

[scenic lintel]

When can I try it?

[vale tree]

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I want to make sure the addon is polished before releasing it.

I will keep everyone updated with progress!

[simple lichen]

@timber quarry lmao

[timber quarry]

It does look sick

[simple lichen]

I said it was impossible and now i regret it

[karmic bison]

Is the red filter from suppression or something else

[vale tree]

the reddish filter is from the guys recording, something to do with his colour profile with OBS

[karmic bison]

Ah ok, can I suggest some audio additions to suppression, like muffled audio, faster louder heartbeat, and increased deeper and louder breathing?

[vale tree]

I will probably be avoiding additional audio for the time being.

[fallow pelican]

Looking nice, good work 👌

[spring wolf]

It looks awesome

[edgy imp]

this mod going to be crazy in those realism servers

[vale tree]

it should make a huge difference for pve and pvp servers

[vale tree]

• Improved suppression visual effects
• Adjusted suppression timings, ranges etc
• Projectile fly-bys now cause suppression (even ricochets)
• Suppression is now calculated in relation to the players head bone, which keeps things accurate regardless of stance or animation

[turbid thistle]

Is this out?

[vale tree]

not yet, it's still in development right now and will be tested privately to ensure everything is optimised and polished before release

[turbid thistle]

Okay

[dusty sluice]

I really like your effect transition. I just added a bit of camera shake for explosions in mine, which I feel is quite cinematic: https://youtu.be/7weX2zJTzgM

[karmic bison]

amazing

[plucky crane]

So kind of off topic, how viable is it to apply this kind of thing to a person when pulling high Gs while flying?

[oak canopy]

I doubt the game has any idea what g forces are

[ruby hawk]

Maybe a bit quicker and snappier on the effect, seems like it takes a bit to tell you’re being shot at.

[steady lantern]

when is release panned to be?

[vale tree]

Thanks for the feedback, I will be continuing to adjust everything after some weekend sessions (where I can actually see how it feels in a real fight).

The next thing being implemented is a subtle visual flinch that will be very quick and reserved for real close misses. This should help tie everything together.

[vale tree]

I am working on this as much as I can at the moment, I would say anywhere from 2 weeks - 1 month from now.

[vale tree]

I think this could be possible yes.

[timber quarry]

I’ll probably roll this out amongst DarkGru realism servers after the next update to it

[vale tree]

That's awesome, the addon is currently not on the workshop but I will keep everyone informed on the progress + when it is finally released!

[karmic bison]

Pretty metal

You think the new update on experimental will break the mod and affect the progression of this mod?

[vale tree]

Is there anything that could potentially break what I am working on? I think the new update is mainly focused on AI driving right?

So far things are going very well. We have tested the mod at a couple of private sessions this weekend and feedback was very good.

[turbid thistle]

You can put it on experimental and see how it runs

[vale tree]

not a bad idea, will try it at the weekend

[sterile marten]

There is also separate experimental tools so it should be smooth to transfer over.

[karmic bison]

If you do put it on experimental can you make it public so we can test it plz 🥺

[vale tree]

Would be good to know what kind of vehicle/weapon mods are most popular right now - I will need to add compatibility

I am currently going through all ammo and vehicles and adjusting suppression variables

[spring wolf]

RHS, Space Strider’s vehicles, and maybe some of the DarkGru stuff I’d say is quite popular

[karmic bison]

Especially rhs, I feel most players reside in the darkgru servers so I’d focus on those mods

[sterile marten]

Can you not just cover the base magazines or ammo types? I think most mods either override as is.

[vale tree]

I have checked this and RHS has created some custom types for different ammos and warheads - it's ok I will make sure RHS is compatible on release.

[sterile marten]

Yeah I would say RHS is probably the biggest check then.

[vale tree]

Flinching - Subtle effect reserved for near misses to help players feel those snaps (subsonic calibres will not trigger this)

Explosions - Explosives will now suppress players, typically taking longer to recover from. The bigger the explosive the bigger the range of effect

Calibres - Each ammo type has different levels of suppression depending on the size/velocity of the round. A single pistol round could barely be noticed where as a .50 cal will really rock the player

Vehicles - Different vehicle types affect how quickly the passengers can be suppressed. Open top vehicles and simple cars provide little resistance however a BTR will keep you feeling a lot safer

Gunners - Passengers have different levels of resistance to their own gunners depending on the vehicle

[runic light]

This is super cool. I had been wary of suppression mods since most of the time it seems either overdone or tailored to "game-balancing" but this seems very nice

[scenic lintel]

Did I understand correctly that this addon requires adaptation to all other third-party addons, there is no way to track the “base projectile” if there is one?

[karmic bison]

Is suppression less intense when you’re in a a bunker because it looks less, suppressed if that makes sense

[vale tree]

By default the addon will work with all projectiles. The values will be default so certain projectiles might feel a little off. Vehicles will also work by default.

The only issue I have had is with explosives, this is because all explosives use warheads but projectiles also create warheads. So there isn't a solid base prefab for me to extend.

[vale tree]

This is not the case, probably just video compression or the setting.

[vale tree]

The compatibility will tailor the suppression mod for the other third-party addons. I plan to have RHS support built into the base addon.

[scenic lintel]

I saw an addon a long time ago, but for Arma 3. There was an interesting solution, when the player was suppressed by fire, you could hear his rapid breathing
Have not thought to add a sound component?

[vale tree]

Right now I don't plan to add any additional audio. I feel that it might get repetitive quickly.

So far, feedback from testers has been very positive. I want the effects to complement firefights and not overwhelm the player constantly.

[tame pewter]

hmm

[steady lantern]

Cant wait 😄

Will suppresion be available soon? This is going be "Must have" mod 😄

[vale tree]

Thanks for the kind words!
I am doing my very best to get it out as soon as possible. I won't release it until I am completely happy however.

[tame pewter]

is the mod released or do we have to wait ? im not sure if i've seen it in the workshop

[vale tree]

The addon is not released yet. We are nearly there!

[tame pewter]

GOOD :d LOOK KUWALSKI

[vale tree]

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