#KA-52 Alligator
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Amazing š¤©
So how are you going to do the double blade?
Will you add the 25mm cannon on the side?
Will you add rockets as well with it?
i have blades dont worry
I know that but how you going it make it happen?
When could we see this come out?
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I have blender lol and sometime soon
BIG W
Starting off 2024 great
Must feed the community more helicopters
Wepons?
All im saying, it has a camera and a co pilot seat, u could work with BGONE mod developer to make it so the camera can lock into targets and fire the lock on missiles, or switch to tow missiles
Eh maybe
But missile in general are no go right now however mortar bullets seems to do a better job atm
So the way Iāve devised it is I didnāt sleep at all last night trying to figure out how I could l potentially use the tail rotor to act as a main rotor however the vanilla base game does not support having 2 main rotors on its own and it breaks so we work with what we have
What weapon systems will this have?
Probably around the same time you stop asking so many damn questions
That is fire af
No heās not
Me and mortalis have been in calls together the last week working on both our projects heās mentioned in my contributions
Is this helo a shared project?
No
Heās working on something completely different.
Alligator
????
I wish
No good models all too high poly
Amazing
damn
Did you already adjust the speed, since it's an attack helicopter?
not slower than a mi-8 right T_T
Only goes 321kmh however itās all around more versitile compared to others
Apache goes 293 so take in consideration that yknow
I retract my statement
oh, I'm all for it then; sorry for lack of knowledge
Itās actually quite fast surprisingly thing weights a bit though but yeah Iāll up its speed
Im pumped for some new hardware
My favourite helicopter finally coming to arma reforgerš„¹
Will gear control work?
No not for a while I canāt script it
Couldn't it be possible to perhaps use the one from the A10?
Wouldnāt there be a way to pretty much retexture the rpg and rpg rounds?
Id much prefer the mine explosions to the rpg explosions, I hope thatās possible š¤
Dose the cannon work?
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Only if we could get working rocket pods again
I think co pilot controlled lock on missiles would be cool for now like hellfires.
There is a mod with them and I've seen them add it onto a bmp so it's definitely possible for future
Perhaps let the pilot use the auto cannons/rockets and the co-pilot use any guided armaments
Yeah but as of rn until bohemia fix the script pilots can't use weapons
The script used for weapons on helicopters controlled by pilots when put into the workbench just crashes the work bench all together
Co-pilot would need to control the cannon coming from someone who flys it would be abit much to fly and accurately shoot
Camera will be turned into the same gun as in battlefield 2042 for co pilot there will be different versions of this heli. I have a million things for different weapon types to put on this
I can't wait.
How tf u do all this in 2 nightsšš
36 hours of no sleep
And before someone says my lights are broken.
They just got a weird set up thereās so my under body lights
I'm honestly hoping for most of the attack helicopters to start using the BGONE mod with lock ons hell fires or the russian vikhr or ataka would just be so nice, especially considering how well that mod works it would fit so well for the Apache cobra and this.
Like if you had a multiple pilon helicopter you had pilot controlled dumbfire rockets but the co pilot could use lock on guided ones
What will happen with the sounds? Will they be added to be more accurate to real world?
Iāll talk to the owner of that mod about it but we canāt do missiles right now
The weapon slot components are all messed up for pilot fired missiles and or weapons.
The base vanilla game is supposed to add MI8 rocket pods soon so when that comes out weāll have an easier job of doing that as for now Iāll see what I can do about my 30mm and nose cannon
I have a bad feeling they will be broken until BI add the rocket pods
Which I may resort to using mortar bullets which snow owl was telling us about in another discord
Yeah that would probably work, oh and btw the mod I mentioned a few messages up would have to be controlled by co pilot in he camera cos u look at a vehicle hold the lock button down and it takes like 3-4 seconds to lock before it will track and that is basically impossible as a pilot
But on a better note, maybe u should go to bedš
you can use a copilot turret, you can get it to fire RPGs (like the bmp by strider) and use the BGONE saclos script on that for vikhrs. should work well enough
Iāll give it a shot after I get the whole body sorted out
Still need to fix my hit box which Iām horrible at in blender and then I need to separate my glass and a couple other things like the turret
I feel you brother... I suck at 3d modeling, having a hard time getting some textures to work on my lil project
Okay but seriously bro, if u haven't slept in 36 hours go to bed this mod only just got added to the showcase like we don't expect this shit instantly go sleepš
I know nothing about it and finding out that a C130 model costing 450$ is a deal baffled me.
lol. making decent models is painful and takes hours, plus rigging, baking, doing textures and level of detail. no thank you I much rather spend all day trying to find a misplaced ";" š¤£
Rigging is whatās annoying
Especially when workbench and blender are 2 different apps that you have to keep bouncing to. Thatās what makes modding annoying. I learned the workshop before blender and now I wish it was the other way around.
yeah, the workshop is way easier to understand, more contextual while blender you have to watch thousands of tutorials and install plugins to be able to do anything. also there are outside pluggings that make rigging characters and vehicles easier. you have to convert from .blend to .obj tho I think
Well with the old helicopters didn't people make there on script for pilot rocket pods
on old helicopters yes. but after 1.0 it broke on BIs side
after I read what you acutally typed i realized i couldn't agree more
Hit box is good now š¤
Fun thing is that I can 100% hot swap like i did in battlefield 4, due to auto hover š
Hot swapping in bf 4 was so op
this mod is already available in the workshop?
Doubt it, only started being made 2 days ago
Itās one issue away from being out and that issue is once again my hit box for some reason the workbench isnāt allowing my UCX Convex hull to work like I accidentally clicked something ā¹ļø
cool
Mod is live for people to try out (itāll be labeled as an extra Huey somewhere in gm unbeknownst to me š¤·āāļø) lol
Really liking it so far. Do you plan on making the avionics work at some point?
Some point
Tried it on private GM, all works pretty well until i choose to switch weapons while in the co-pilot seat. It crashed me twice while doing so
Yep donāt do that
Iām aware only use the gunner seat not co pilot (co pilot technically doesnāt exist)
i think i saw two options on the co pilot seat, let me double check
When i sit down, it appears
I know, gotta remove the option
Copilot can actually control it which is funny
Yeah it be like that
Alligator goes itās actual irl top speed which is 317 KMH may drop that down a bit
Arma 2 had it at 227 but even then thatās still fairly fast
Will the gun be shooting the 30mm cannon later? And will have stabilizer?
How are you gonna put a stabilizer on a helicopter š
The gun?
You know what a stabilizer is right?
Stabilize the gun for you can use it while flying instead of it being useless
The only way to stabilize a helicopters weapon system would be a dampener on the air crew helmet (which Russia doesnāt have very good aircraft helmet systems) also a traditional stabilizer most likely wouldnāt fit on a helicopter and would weigh it down a lot.
Shooting a 30mm auto cannon from a helicopter isnāt easy lmao
Ya ya Russia has nothing because they are ālosingā a war and lost āeverythingā
No they just donāt develop that technology as much and focus on other technologies
Nothing to do with the war, itās just they donāt develop the same technologies as the us or other countries. Nothing to do with the war lmao.
KA-52 killed the first challenger 2 and take out many convoys š. KA-52 is there only decent good working helicopter
Never said the KA-52 is ass Iām just saying instead of begging to make it easy to use maybe learn to use it š¤·āāļø
Wouldnāt make a mod of my mod yet
"Linear motion compensator (LMC) is the only thing you can use to stabilize. It stabilizes based on a spot on the ground and your location / movement in the air. You can also use it to accelerate the crosshair to track a moving target."
Yeah thatās a dampener
modern aircraft have incredibly advanced fire control systems and optics. it's not Vietnam anymore why tf would you assume Russian helicopters don't have a stabilizer for their guns?!
See what I mean š
They have dampeners lmao
brother... dampeners are literally just for recoil mitigation
They make it easier to fire onto ground forces similar to a stabilization system
KA-52 is as good and deadly as a Apache, and has the same ability what the Apache can do but they Operate differently in there ways but they are both modernized with everything you can think of
I mean yeah? your point is? they are not the main component of the stabilizer system. yeah they help but they're not the same thing
it's like saying Michael Jordan played better because he had Nike shoes on lmfao
They both make it easier to provide air to ground support. Which is why they exist.
wow great point Mr strawman.
I canāt find any information on a stabilization system for the KA-52 so this conversation is useless unless youāre a Russian pilot willing to leak military documents.
Is it possible to put the bmp cannon on the right side of it with a more limited view since irl it uses the literal bmp cannon
I just froze a AT shooting then move the heli
If you look closely you can see a man on the left gear
I will test again but apparentely when I try to change the gun from 7.62 for 30mm the games crashes
Yes it will
ok
No it doesn't use the bmp cannon it uses the the 2a42. The bmp2s main gun.
Plus you can very much put a stabiliser on a helicopters main gun as all modern helicopters such as the ka52 have it. If they didn't the main gun would be abit pointless wouldn't it? Cmon use your head
It uses a 30mm cannon
Vihkr is what youāre referring to
When pilot gun control comes in the UPK will hit different
I have found a weird bug, when in gunner seat if you press rb to switch wepons it automatically crashes the game
So it switches weapons to nothing so u can't shoot and then game crashes
Yes a bmp cannon lmfao
The main gun of the bmp2 is in fact a auto cannon š¤”
This is what Iām referring to
Current fix is not pressing that button
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What is that mg on the nose?? Thatās a spot for the guidance system
Press it
Do it look like I have any missiles for a guidance system
Not yetš
No, but itās hella cursed lmao, does the main 30mm work?
If theyāre no missiles add gunpods 
Get in the gunner seat and press shoot lmao, the reason there isn't missiles yet is because the components for pilot controlled weapons is broken and cannot be added to helis without crashing the workbench
Does the 30mm cannon work or is it only the turret on the nose?
@undone jay does this work in conflict
I aināt even gonna answer that
The mod just came out last night itās still WIP lol not right now lol
In future we might see gunner seat controlled lock on anti tanks using BGONE but as of right now all we have is what is in the mod, give the man some time the mod came into wip a few days ago and poor vape went with 36 hours no sleep working on it for us
Add gunpods instead of missles š„ŗ
I want to be the A-10 of helicopters š
He said before there will be multiple versions in the future with different weapon systems just give him time, he still hasn't finished his other project fully yet but it's almost done
No and wonāt till Bohemia fixes pilot guns as for the cannon on the front itās the next best thing we have ok lol
š Bohemia should make working pylons so we can customize them in game
They are eventually
First big update adds guns second big update adds missiles to the Huey
Not missiles š
Yeah
So the second part of this update we had called air assault or something adds
-ai driving
-ai commanding
-mortars
-new wepons
-two new vehicles
-guns to the helis
-hand held flares or gl flares
-supressors
-scopes
Next big update called final strike adds
-electrical grid to everon and arland
-basic destruction engine for structures
-hq role
-rockets for helis
-explosives like ieds
- LAV-25
-civilian outfits
Sorry that this isnt related to this chat
Canāt wait for the electrical grid ngl
Gonna for sure have people trying to capture electrical stations or defending them
They abandoned the roadmap. Why do people still go on about it
Yeah, I use darker nights mod in my server so being able to turn off an entire towns lights is gonna be so good
They didnāt theyāre still updating and using it thatās misinformation
Where did you get that information? I got mine straight from BI.
I love darker nights too itās ong the best mod
Wait really? So why is it still on their website that's stupid asf
I haven't seen them say that anywhere but I don't really follow BI's posts as most r just waffle and people talk constantly about it in the reforger discussion chat so it can't of been abandoned
I got mine straight from there website which theyāre still updating the roadmap lmfao quit spreading misinformation.
Let's take this to #reforger_discussion so we ain't cramming up this chat with irrelevant shit
Same. They said they are using it more as a guide then a to do list. With stuff not on it will be coming and stuff on it not coming.
Says who lmao? Show me proof?
Ah I donāt care itās kinda topic related anyway it impacts the helis development
Realistically if we lucky BI will fix it. If not we will have to wait until rocket pods are added and there is no telling how long that will be.
@undone jay hey I just downloaded it and I'm in my own gm I can't seem to find it
Listed as a Huey
Itāll look out of place in the gm menu thatās how I find it
How do you roll these out so fast
Just want to say great job with this, keep up the good work
This is what we really need š
Didnāt space add atgm to his tanks?
Could you ask him for that tech and have it put on your helicopter, then have the gunner control the missiles
#1079658409747550248 message yeah this
Pointless
Why?
Because Iām not going to add someoneās dependency just for it to break and then I complain about it for a week and then finally fix it then they fix thereās then I add it back and then it breaks again
I watched a ton of people go through that exact scenerio and just give up
Will the Ka-52 have ejectable seats and AIM-lock laser missiles?
Not for a long time
yeah I understand that, but the dependency you'd be adding is "bgone" that adds the missile guidance scripts
gyro hotdogger
Alligator
My guy Iām just a normal human being give me some slack youāre asking way to much from me lmao
So anyway, will it have (insert ridiculous feature here)?
That's good then glad your a normal human, so anyway can u create an AC130 that is attached the the helicopter and shoots properly with parachutes and lock on anti tank missiles as well as a tank that is strapped the to bottom of the helicopter that we can get in and shoot from
Gonna make this a feature call it self inflicting rounds
KNOWN ISSUES WITH THE KA-52:
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Gunner Seat Showing up with Co Pilot Seat (Co Pilot is fine to use and is good)
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Gunner Seat does not have a correct exit feature causing player to be animation locked in place unable to exit vehicle.
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Pressing āVā (Change Weapon) will result in a Personal Crash (Not server crash)
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Blade Hit Box Does not exist past 1m
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landing Gear tends to face weight towards the nose of the aircraft.
NOTE: Helicopter is all around fine for server use and is alright more features will come out and more Russian Military Based liveryās will be added (Grey next)
Also I have a whole bunch of different Weapon models I can attach to the hard points down the road for different variations too (or when they add pilot boom boom support), also the NOSE TURRET IS TEMPORARY to give it physical fighting capability the gunner seat will go bye bye and turn into a camera operated seat down the road and sensor ball will be added back.
I may just be stupid but I can't find it in game master
@grim mesa modeled as a Huey in the gm list, ain't got the right name or picture
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Please dont drop it I like zooming around lol
Well thatās itās top speed however it doesnāt fit in line with all the other ones
Exactly for once we can have something russian better then the Americans
Thereās top speed and then thereās safe speed
Challenge accepted
I got the KA-52 to go 550
Damnnnnn
A falcon can go 389kmh straight down (the bird)
It was pretty much classified as a Jet at that point
Thats one hell of a bird strike
Yeah if you take that heli anywhere near 380 youāre going to die
@undone jay when I go into game master to check it out it doesn't appear any idea why?
Itās a Huey thatās out of place in the menu
Should I go to all then?
Canāt see it in āVehiclesā filter go to āAllā yes
Yeah still not seeing it
Bruh I'm getting excited asf and I can't find itšš
Nvm I found itš but I instantly crashed as soon as I hoped in the gunner
@undone jay when ever u enter the gunner seat and switch weapons you're game crashes
He knows, the fix for that rn is don't press switch weapon button
Fuck me this chat thread makes me happy I don't develop mods
@slow cargo
Doesnāt donāt press switch weapon
Itās fine all aside that gunner seat on exit and pressing v those are the only 2 bugs other stuff is on me Iām pushing an update tonight with the dials and gauges
So how's to going on attaching a tank to the bottom with hellfire missiles and an ac130 to each of the propellor blades and the A-10 gau-8 to the front?
What
Iām assuming that we most likely wonāt see any type of rocket pods on any chopper until they add them to vanilla chopperās like they said they would in the future
yes
God I hope it comes soon because it wouldnāt be fun if we get the update in like 5 months
Also I wondering if the front mounted gun for the gunner is going to ever feel like an actual front cannon of an attack chopper because I doubt the plan is to keep it as some buff PKM forever
I believe vape said itās only a PKM until BI fixes pilots being able to shoot. Once they do that he will added a function 30mm cannon and rocket pods I believe but donāt quote me. Just keep in mind IRL where the PKM is a camera if Iām n mistaken
Yeah I understand all of that I was just questioning it because it feels like the Viper mod has a more impactful turret against infantry than the KA-52 does but they could be the same gun for all I know but I really donāt know but it seems like they are completely different turrets
No once they do Iām removing the gunner
Then the weapons will be strictly pilot oriented the gunner seat is temp the front nose has sensors no turret
The 30mm on the side will work which is that massive gun, and then Iāll add missiles but thatās only when
Will it clip through the heli or will it be restricted to what it can do irl
It should be restricted to what It can do irl because itād be cursed if it wasnāt

I mean more on the lines of is that even possible in reforger rn
Ka-52 with no gunner? So just a Ka-50 with an extra seat?
Ka50 with extra steps
Wonāt it be hard to accurately aim while flying?
Will it be just like a strafing gun pointed forward or an actual moving turret?
That question is very self explanatory all if not 90% of attack helicopters and jets are pilot fired
Iām a little slow be patient lmao
There wonāt be a turret period on the alligator the front gun will go, the co pilot will be navigation and calculation
Now that I think of it with the larger gun I think I would be able to fly and strafe with it for some reason I was still thinking about the smaller one
I plan on adding drop to the missiles on the KA-52 so it can be used as volley artillery
Player model clipping through seat
@gritty ridge sending an image might help to clarify the issue.
Normal issue with modded helis canāt help it
Oh ok I didn't know because I eventually clipped through so far it was unusable in fpp
Even striders used to do it.
Is it seat drift what you talking about?
Yes
Ralian briefly talked about it with the blackhawk I'll ping you, might help
I saw that @elfin garnet was able to get weapons like rocket pods to work for just the helicopter pilot and not the gunner and I would love to know what this information means for the future of the KA-52 and other attack helicopters in the future and if you donāt know what Iām talking about just go look at the spacestider showcase feed
@round linden what is there a video
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080
CPU: 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-12700K
Memory: 32 GB RAM (31.8 GB RAM usable)
Current resolution: 1920 x 1080, 144Hz
(Obviously neither mine just snagged them from Spaceās channel where itās explained how they did it)
This will be updated soon
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Canāt wait for the update. Going to take a bunch of pictures/videos of this beaut doing gun runs
Vape, is it okay if I ask of the general ETA of the KA-52 overhaul? Sorry to be a bother, I just canāt wait to finally have an armed heli for the Ruskiās
@undone jay why did u dip from ranger
No idea sorting some stuff out irl
Not answering that question. However I had my reasons.
No worries man, life always comes first. Just wanted to ask since Iāve been anticipating the hell out of this thing LOL. Hope all goes well, modding & IRL
Wouldn't be suprised my apologies tho
@undone jay hey how's the mod going
@undone jay anything on the mod?
No need to update now someone already made a fix for it and added rocket pods
But the fix has a LOT of mods as a dependencies that do nothing. So the fix is kindāve pointless for us players who donāt play on that personās server
Whilst the fix is nice, I agree with deadly it's pointless unless you play on those servers which imo is just a way to stratigicaly lock the fix to those servers to try and drive up the player count for a bit
Thereās like exponential more mods that are ārequiredā Ex: grey zone, a map mod, RHS, and a few others just for a fix?
Lmao what
Iāve been awol for a bit and someone updates my heli š good on them though I appreciate a temporary fix. But I will be back eventually just sorting out life right now and getting a place.
Take your time man, life is more important
Thank you because I thought this was going to become a waste land with no updates like the redline black hawk but it would still be nice to get a actual update instead of a fix to really make this helicopter one of those ones
A texture update would be nice to to make it look cleaner
The gunner seat was temporary just so everyone knows but I donāt know when Iāll resume progress
Iām quite busy atm if anyone has any questions just dm me.
Hey so, I think you should update the Mod description so that people can understand why it'd still in WIP, like even me before joining this discord I was wondering why it was still in WIP, cool mod tho
Description can only be so long
Itās in progress because I have a life outside of arma thatās the best way to sum it up lol
Oh alright thought desc could've been longer
Plus if I go in and touch it itāll screw everything up for the guys who made a āfixā for something that wasnt really broken everything in the wip was intended even the buggy gunner seat it was temporary to give it a weapon thatās before pilot weapons got released back
Most of the "Fix" just adds rocket to it, they didnt fix really anything
Yeah and all of the "fix" mods require 5 fucking dependencys
Fr
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Thatās because they try to privatize my work for their own servers which is fine itās cool deters people but eventually yess Iāll fix this just updated almensk
pleaseeeeee 
Working on getting the mod in working order soon
As for now mil misc is my step towards learning blender a little better so I can work on other projects, just a stepping stone
This mod still exists 
Updating now
Yes the seamless control between pilot and co pilot is a thing I intended I donāt like locked controls or override this allows for quick decision making and flight training
Obviously co pilot has no flight animation hes like your grandfather using his knees to drive while smoking some reds
Aware of any current light issues. And aware of any flight issues. Rocket pods will be added soon. And yes I will change faction status to RU
NEW UPDATE IN 10 MINUTES much much better
Will we see gear controls?
Never leave bro unsupervised while moding
Yes
this was an audio test do not use copyrighted sounds obviously
New favorite moder
I cannot define the happiness I felt when they showed the ka52 in the trailer yet the game just flopped
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What game?
Kickstart my heart was used in the bf2042 trailer
Oh yeah
K not the A
If arma ka is half as good as the War thunder ka is, nato is fucked.
One question, will the wheels be functional?
Eventually yes
It could be solved if you put the body of the mi8, right?
No
I could just switch the skids out for wheels if I switched the body id have to re do everything and rebuild it not that simple
ok thank you very much for your attention
Not yet possible lol
šif only lmao
Iād have to have a script trigger system to blow off it whole bunch of animations and everything
ETA.. arma 7
@undone jay Hey, man. Glad you got this up and running! Just wanted to let you know I see the faction for it is US Army and not Soviet on my server.
Well aware of that issue itās from and internal workbench error next update will fix it
thank you
Conflict menu fix is out
@neon depot uploading now before I jump on star citizen thought Iād quickly nail it out of the way
@neon depot what was the cost for the heli
When trying to spawn it on helipad in conflict
im not sure i havent tried
it says 0 but i havent updated it yet
Update will be live soon. This is the new trait for it. Thing is OP so Iām keeping it as MAJ Spawn only
Arma 3 i believe has it not sure tho
when Missile pods?
When wait
I canāt put missile pods on with the 30 itās one or the other itāll be a separate prefab
Oi
Yeah heās gonna be gone for a while so donāt try
#WentToGetMilk
Know if you can put the gear away?
Donāt think you can
can put this heli to buyboard?
buyboard?
To spawn in game in heli pad
You can. You have to be a major
This thing still op
I loaded the mod in server config, game downloaded it, can't see it at helipad in conflict or in game master. any ideas? It's happening to a few vehicle mods
In order to be seen in the helicopter catalog, you need to add it to a country's vehicle catalog, you can do it on this workbench.
removed from workshop @undone jay ?
Yep I took it down along side any of my old mods
understandable, thanks, excited to see whats to come brother @undone jay 
Will you ever update your KA-52 mod or will the project be forever lost?
when i have the time to finish it. Properly...
great to hear, take your time and don't rush anything. ā¤ļø
also waiting on 1.3
From what Iāve heard wcs is making one.
i wonder why
Itās a mystery
