MH-6M MELB

[cobalt whale]

MH-6M and hopefully AH-6 little bird still WIP

[jagged seal]

sexy

[gilded roost]

will we be expecting working instruments?

[cobalt whale]

Probably not anytime soon

I'm gonna try to get the Joystick working and then, if Bohemia fixes their weaponslotcomponent, focus on the guns

[gilded roost]

your doing good, the models look great dude keep it up 👍

[desert mist]

Oh it's a Bohemia issue? That sucks cos that gonna put a delay on every aircraft

[cobalt whale]

Yeah the workbench crashes when you add the component that is needed for the guns to work

[desert mist]

Is that just for pilot shooting, as the new blackhawk uses the minigun but not a pilot seat

[cobalt whale]

Turrets work fine it's just the pilot being able to shot

[desert mist]

Ah that's shit, I think it's gonna be hard to map controls for it atleast on controller, like every fire button has been taken up now

[open nova]

We’ve still got RB and Y

Glad I found this, was wanting to ask, is there any chance the posture of the pilot can be more vertical instead of backwards in the seat? Feels like we are far back from the instruments when flying.

[rugged sonnet]

Feels great tbh more field of view plus instruments don't work as of rn

[open nova]

It just feels weird being far back, idk. I understand instruments don’t work it’s just that being far back from them is just alien to me.

[eager skiff]

how about having a copilot gunner up until bi fixes the issue? it would be weird but would at least work

[gilded roost]

nice stuff for the dials.

[dark wind]

Loving this mod in our server!

[analog ember]

Hey @cobalt whale are you planning on adding functionality to the glass instruments or does the game not allow that? Second to that fixing the way the pilots are seated/pilot animations

[open nova]

The game does allow it, Blackhawk pre-1.0 had glass instruments. The issue is that it would require a lot of coding to be able to work one in from scratch. Probably would just ask for the system that redline used for their Blackhawk for glass instruments.

[analog ember]

Ah

A issue I have found is when attempting to get onto the benches the window where you can see the enter button is quite small. Can that be made bigger?

[cobalt whale]

You mean the displays

[analog ember]

Yes

[cobalt whale]

Yeah working on that

[analog ember]

Sweet, is it proving difficult?

[desert mist]

Any plans to rework the flight model so it's less heavy, feel like I should b able to throw it round more then I can rn but idk

[cobalt whale]

Yes

Goal is to have it fly similar to the one in arma 3

[desert mist]

Alr cool

[analog ember]

Any plans to added a GAU-19 (.50cal) to the armament of the AH-6, once BI fixes the issue with the pilots not being able to fire?

per irl a common mixs of armament is the GAU-2 w/ 7-Shot Rocket Pod (one of each side). As well as a GAU-2 and 7-Shot on one side and a GAU-19 on the other. It has been see to have a GAU-19 on each side.

[gilded roost]

i heard they plan on adding rocket pods into the game later down the line, not sure if thats true or not.

[cobalt whale]

Don't have a 3d model for it

[analog ember]

Rip

[desert mist]

So the new update that you just rolled out, broke the weponised one so it just slides around and bounces and moves everywhere I'll get a clip in a minute for you.

And the new screens that u added that u can't turn on and move don't do anything atleast not on Xbox

New flight model feels amazing tho

[sick skiff]

Is it possible to tweak the little bird's tail control? It's quite difficult to respond at low(ish) airspeeds and feels quite heavy on the collective

[desert mist]

@sick skiff have you used it since the update they rolled out today, it's Hella responsive

[sick skiff]

I didn't know there was actually. I'll check out the update

[cobalt whale]

Yeah the monitors are wip

Only one turns currently but not great

[analog ember]

Love the new flight physics @cobalt whale it feels amazing!

[lilac shoal]

Yep, flies well!

[cobalt whale]

Glad to hear that

[gilded roost]

what are they for im curious?

[desert mist]

Hopefully the camera

[gilded roost]

camera? i dont know much about the lil bird, is that the little ball at the front of the under carriage?

also new physics feel really good

[desert mist]

Yeah that's a camera

[gilded roost]

oh dope

[prisma compass]

Map, camera

[gilded roost]

oof that reticle on the weaponised one is really nice looking compared to what it orign was, man even for the redline little bird, well done erfue.

[hushed phoenix]

Loving this, but how do we use the guns on the AH-6?

[open nova]

You cannot. Bohemia Interative needs to make it to where helicopter pilots can shoot, for now, it doesn’t.

[hushed phoenix]

Okay, love how it handles though.

[analog ember]

@cobalt whale what was changed or added in the update?

[desert mist]

I think it's a new flight model, it feels less agile again

[cobalt whale]

Weird didn’t change anything physics wise

[cobalt whale]

Added shadows to the rotor blur, a better damage model, collison to the glass as well as a collider for the tail rotor

[rough cloud]

Would it be possible to make the co pilot seat basicaaly a gunner seat to get around pilots not being able to fire?

[desert mist]

Hmmm, idk then might be tripping but I thought it felt a lot less manoeuvreable

[gentle talon]

Huh I didn’t notice anything I’m still doing crazy stupid maneuvers in it lol

[past grail]

yeah flys the same as it did to me as well

[finite swan]

Anyone else having trouble updating the mod?

[tepid kiln]

The only thing that happened so far was yesterday, my game crashed when i hit and destroyed the tail rotor on a light pole for the 10th time, first time crashing the game. I love the handling of it, super realistic for me, but i never flied for real, only sims.

[desert mist]

Nah fr, I'm so excited to have a weponised version this is currently my favourite Heli to fly

[sick skiff]

Waiting for pilot usage of weapon systems

[desert mist]

Yeah, praying bi fix it before we have to wait till base game helis get rocket pods

[past grail]

We’ll seeing as how BI last video updates title should be “we wish we could but we won’t” I don’t see this happening till atleast the end of the year possibly even next year with how slowly the updates come out

[desert mist]

Cold

[vagrant shore]

is that a CH-146?

[cobalt whale]

It's the civilian version bell 412 but they are pretty much the same

[vagrant shore]

is the difference just the mounts for guns?

[cobalt whale]

I think the ch-146 just has some extra armor at the bottom

[vagrant shore]

if the license allows i might try my hand at putting a RCAF livery on it, would be cool to see more Canadian stuff.

[cobalt whale]

Would be cool DM me if you need anything

[gentle talon]

As a Canadian I would love this

[sick skiff]

I concur in my Canadian Jeans

[vast vale]

Is that planned? I thought BI was dropping reforger after 1.0 was released

[analog ember]

There not. They have said they’ll support Reforger up until Arma4 comes out I do believe. If you look at there roadmap on there website you’ll see what’s planed for right now.

[sleek wind]

ArmA 4 gets released unexpectedly tomorrow

[gentle talon]

It is tomorrow and I can confirm it’s out

[dusty hemlock]

they still need to finish the roadmap silly

[sick skiff]

Unsure if this has been mentioned, but the MH-6 Closed will partially slide under the map and either break the helicopter or render it useless

[sleek wind]

Thank you Australia

[plain umbra]

Seems to be missing fuel prompt. (Should be where that red gas cap is)

[sick skiff]

Also missing repair tail rotor prompt as well

[gentle talon]

Someone might have found out how to use pilot controlled weapons, might be useful for the AH

[desert mist]

I pray for the CAS version of the little bird, erfue about to cook

[sage spear]

All we can do is pray

[cobalt whale]

It will take some time but I‘m working on it

[desert mist]

I can't even tell if it's shooting lol

[cobalt whale]

it is

[desert mist]

Oh yeah I'm blind

[jolly lintel]

Wait the pilot shooting or

[vagrant shore]

yes

[jolly lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now-gif-26307521

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-gif-8580200

[gentle talon]

https://tenor.com/view/awesome-yes-yeah-baby-cheer-gif-15859596

[desert mist]

I don't wanna get anyone's hopes up, but the little bird just had a 6mb update, it might not be the weapons, but I'm going to check

Miniguns work, rockets don't, however the fire button is rt the same as rudder on controller so they collide unless u hold lt and rt at the same time

[sick skiff]

Yikes
That should be changed

[jolly lintel]

They should make it the bumpers

[desert mist]

Tab rb to zoom in, hold rb to fire

[rugged sonnet]

Best I could think of with what we got is Y to change guns, RB to shoot and the zoom is already there just tap right stick

[sage spear]

Yep sounds like the best control layout we all can agree on

[jolly lintel]

Yep and y to switch guns

[sick skiff]

Sounds good to me as well

[plain umbra]

Bug: co-pilot doesn’t have access to the anticollision, navigation or any light prompts on the AH-6. Co-pilot also doesn’t have access to the on screen speed and altitude gauges. These bugs might be on all littlebird variants but so far I’ve confirmed it on the AH-6.

[rough cloud]

Would it make sense to give the copilot the ability to operate the guns so that the “fire” button doesn’t conflict with anything?

[sick skiff]

That's awkward
Imagine trying to shoot at a enemy Combatants but the targeting is offset from main camera

If it were gimballed it'd be feasible

[desert mist]

Or simply RB to shoot lb to change weapons? Fuck having copilot controlled that's so awkward to do

[eager skiff]

LB messes with the radio, so hear me out... RB fires main armaments while a Y prompt in the cockpit changes weapons. kind of unorthodox but realistic to some extent and doesn't add more keybinds

[gilded roost]

wasnt it rb on striders little bird

[sick skiff]

It was RT

RB was to switch weapons back in the day

[desert mist]

I actually really like that idea.

[bold lava]

Ya I think that would work best

[kind pulsar]

Why not just use BF4 c9ntrols for helos?

[gilded roost]

battlefield 4 controls are valid has hell

[sick skiff]

Hell nah

[jolly lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/connor-mc-gregor-gtfo-gtfoh-get-the-fuck-out-of-here-gif-10203692

[eager skiff]

for bf4 yeah sure but arma? kinda nutty to think it's applicable here

[gilded roost]

the default heli controls can go to hell bruh, the other ones are where its at.

[eager skiff]

sounds like a skill issue to me

[dusty hemlock]

this !!

that's literally what the modded helos were and it worked just fine

yaw and collective on one stick, cyclic on the other

LT for freelook

[desert mist]

You mf are tripping new controls feel amazing, and rb as shoot and having a button in cockpit to switch weapons is much more realistic and nicer

[dusty hemlock]

BF4 controls are pretty realistic tbh with you. the fire control and everything worked perfectly.

offtopic anyways

[gilded roost]

well it felt more arcadey with those so i prefer the vanilla controls, but i do wish they were put differently.

[dusty hemlock]

the arcadey feel comes from the flight model, not the controls.

[gilded roost]

yea

[zinc sequoia]

Modded helis before 1.0 used bf4-esque controls and it removes a lot of the pilots ability to finely control the helicopter. Without a collective you cant make small adjustments to alt. and without antitorque you cant rotate without pitching/yawing

[dusty hemlock]

it did have antitorque and collective, they were just bound to the sticks

[zinc sequoia]

It was R-stick as "engine power" and L-stick as "pitch/yaw"

[dusty hemlock]

right

[eager skiff]

y'all should be asking BI for keybind mapping if you personally feel that the keybinds are not for you. complaining about the helicopter binds on a modded thread because "you don't like the vanilla binds" is with all due respect stupid.

not trying to be rude, but this is complaining to the wrong people. anyway off topic but it had to be said. just ask bi for customizable keybinds on #1105888132001439754 ig

[jolly lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-no-chill-out-bro-nah-fam-gif-16233135

[sick skiff]

@cobalt whale I was wondering if you were open to adjusting the controls for flight/gunship control. As it currently stands, you're unable to pan right without firing as the bind is conflicting. RB to shoot would be a more viable option as it doesnt have a complete bind in helo. I hope this allows for an easier transition. Have a blessed day

[gilded roost]

rocket pods????????????

[finite swan]

Yes

[lost estuary]

@cobalt whale I suggest making it so you can fire both miniguns at the same time which also allows for 1 slot to be left open so you can use the yaw without accidentally shooting

[gilded roost]

that does make sense

[vagrant shore]

only problem with having both guns fire is only one of them will have particle effects if i remember striders words right

[frosty merlin]

Is there a recommended way to rearm these?

[silent badger]

respawn em

[sick skiff]

A small price to pay

[hazy knoll]

That's a very nice model! It's crazy that you wound up making the same mistakes i did when modeling it for A3 all those years ago.

[cobalt whale]

It's a bought model but now I'm curious

[hazy knoll]

Hey thanks for the reply!

[hazy knoll]

That's great! Can you share a link for me to check it out?

[cobalt whale]

https://www.artstation.com/marketplace/p/kkR3z/mh-6-little-bird-helicopter-plus-9-skins-3d-model

[hazy knoll]

oof that's very unfortunate. i'll have to fill out some IP theft reports for artstation now

[cobalt whale]

did he rip it?

[hazy knoll]

Sure did!

[cobalt whale]

damn

guess I'm gonna have to remove the mod then

[hazy knoll]

I'm afraid so. It appears he's a known content thief. Even selling some vanilla Arma 3 assets.

[twin bridge]

Are you saying LuisBCompany is not legit?

[hazy knoll]

Yes.

[twin bridge]

I thought he provided models for RHS or redline (read that somewhere)

[hazy knoll]

Will get some RHS guys to chime in here

I can only speak for the littlebird model, which was made by me many years ago and which i have not granted permission to be monetized in any way. Either way. No model made for Arma can be monetized outside of the platform without the author's explicit permission

[vital otter]

@hazy knoll is the author of the RHS MELB I can attest 100%

This is an insane story

[twin bridge]

roger that, so I get we got ripped off when buying the model, how do I make the mode I've been working on for 3 months become legit? what will it cost me to get permission to use it?

sorry not my thread, was invited here by erfue because we bought the same model

[hazy knoll]

We're going through his models now to check what else was ripped, modified, and sold. So we can get a better idea of how to proceed.

[hazy knoll]

Which model was that?

[twin bridge]

roger that, please keep me informed... my mod is unlisted at the moment and I was getting ready to go public, but I will refrain from that obviously until we get this sorted. I want to make sure you are compensated for such a beautiful piece of work, very disappointed to hear that about Luis, I bought one of my blackhawks from him too, won't be using that either.

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/aircraft/military-aircraft/mh-6-little-bird-helicopter-plus-9-skins

[obsidian summit]

This is nuts

[dark wind]

Agreed^

[twin bridge]

fml

[hazy knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/po-facepalm-gif-27277915

[twin bridge]

I feel ill, truthfully... sorry about all this man, but I am happy to pay you for the model (for just this mod)

as in I won't try to sell it or gift it to anyone

[gilded roost]

bruh literally bruh

[sick skiff]

I'm punching the air rn
Why oh why must we be put though such trouble

[gilded roost]

ikr, cant have shit in arma.

[twin bridge]

I wish I could go back to December and change a couple things, then spend then next three months on something I can use 🫡

[scenic gate]

[vital otter]

sadly this is always a chance with bought models 😦 with AR modding community also living for 98% on bought models it is ripe for being taken advantage 😦

don't buy models. especially for (relatively) cheap

[dark wind]

So if ~98% of the AR community relies on bought models, what would be the best way to browse these marketplaces (such as CGTrader) to verify the authenticity of the model and author? The "(relativetly) cheap" piece is pretty subjective and I have also seen that specific seller 'luisbcompany' have a price much higher for those models at different points.

[frosty merlin]

A tale as old as time.

[vital otter]

the best way would be to learn to make models

if you want to be safe

otherwise you always run this risk, and it could be 1500$ next time not 150$

interesting thing with this scammer is that he seems to be augmentig models. Like slight chenges, or complete remodels (or kitbasj from multiple models)

[zinc sequoia]

Isnt this the guy that everyone and their brother buys models from for Reforger? Ive seen people mention the name Luis multiple times before

[vital otter]

maybe

noone saw how odd that this guy in his portfolio out of 100s of possible vehicles in the world 70% is the same as in Arma 3 RHS and the other 30 is BI Arma 2

[zinc sequoia]

What a mess

[eager skiff]

I guess people expected the best and unfortunately got scammed. great PSA for people to learn 3d modeling tho lol

[twin bridge]

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/mh-6-little-bird-helicopter-54daeb52eaa546528e378b46b168bce9
here's another version of the same model

and another:
https://rigmodels.com/model.php?view=MH-6_Little_Bird_Helicopter-3d-model__54daeb52eaa546528e378b46b168bce9&searchkeyword=luisbcompany&manualsearch=1

[obsidian summit]

149!!!

[sleek wind]

Fuck me sideways, this is so sad and infuriating

[turbid copper]

Language

[sleek wind]

*upside down
Sorry

[twin bridge]

I reported the model (on CGTrader) and gave a link to your Arma3 mod for reference... it was promptly removed

[hazy knoll]

Cheers! But, please guys, let me report it in other shops as I have the ownership over the IP and can provide proper proof.

[twin bridge]

my bad... just trying to put an end to this guy living off of your work brother

[vital otter]

for your guys work not to go to waste, perhaps we will discuss internally in RHS whether you can assist us in porting the original actual @hazy knoll stuff

[twin bridge]

happy to help ANY way possible to move forward

[twin bridge]

thank you for the consideration, seriously... losing sleep over this

[vital otter]

That's up to @hazy knoll to decide. We had the idea to port them way before helis were even a thing in arma vanilla but he's not been around. That's why noone also noticed it till now. He came and started poking around at what's good in arma and came across the Melb naturally

[twin bridge]

understood, and I am happy to share everything I made from my ill-gotten model if it can help RHS out, especially if it means we can share our work with the community

[brave bane]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-soap-gif-22680670

Smert y Bol.

[dark wind]

🙏

[hazy knoll]

This could be a good compromise. I should really work on porting the model already 😅

[twin bridge]

I'm more than happy to give you my blend if you think that will give you a head start bud (colliders, beginning of rigs, etc, even got 5 LODs 😄 )

[twin bridge]

is that Russian for Death and Pain?

[warm condor]

Yes

[twin bridge]

I did that too 😄 but it didn't translate until I hacked at it, lol

[brave bane]

Death and pain.

[spark spindle]

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/mh-6-little-bird-helicopter-54daeb52eaa546528e378b46b168bce9

[hazy knoll]

Cheers! I have reported all the infringing content. ArtStation and Sketchfab are very slow to respond.

[twin bridge]

the rigmodels.com link is still up too

[hazy knoll]

That one i have little hope of ever taking down

[foggy raven]

@cobalt whale if someone is willing to make a model for this, would you continue this mod ?

[hexed ledge]

I'm already working on a model intending on bringing it up to Reforger's standards. It would be my first time implementing something into Enfusion Engine so that'd be great if you could lend me a hand Erfue we could also make variants or even go further adding more vehicles

[spark spindle]

If erfue is to use your model would you also do a couple of modifications to it for it to be a OH6 Cayuse? An example would be Not having the antennas on the exterior or having the straight tail

[hexed ledge]

I can do whatever variants we want

Bench one, minigun one

[foggy raven]

oh yeah bench and minigun \o/

[hexed ledge]

There are things im not sure how reforger could handle like having people sitting on bench and still allowing to use weapon

I havent seen it in other vehicles so dunno if there is something we can recycle.

[cobalt whale]

Model looks good so far however I don't really have the time to work on another project but I'm sure King would be down since he already was further in development than me

I'd be glad to help by providing some things or refrences from my old mod tho

[hexed ledge]

Refs could be handy! Thanks for your time

@twin bridge if you are interested in getting mh-6 into Reforger we could make it happen!

worst case scenario i will head on this journey on my own

[twin bridge]

I appreciate it, I really do hope the original artist will be willing to let us use the model after we help him with RHS... Currently he's getting acclimated to the tools... But if not I will need to spend my time working on a new model instead, so I am in a bit of a holding pattern atm, waiting on them. The model does look good so far, indeed.

[hexed ledge]

its just blockout

I could have finished model within few days i think for one of variants

[sturdy fern]

Man since yall are having to start over with it couple ideas: 1) Add a camera to the copilot seat. This could aid and assist for ISR duties. 2) add models with different weapon packages. Hellfires, ATGM, maybe 30mm cannon or M2 machine gun. 3) some way for the pilot to be able to aim the rockets. Like a reticle they could move in front when needed and then retract back when not. That maybe too much just an idea.

[twin bridge]

We did have a working camera for the co-pilot, with hellfires... pilot had m134s and Hydra70s. Reticle was attached to pilot windshield, so if it gets shot out you lose the reticle as a side effect... lol #1146132348652494899

[sturdy fern]

That’s fire man, would there be a possibility of bringing it back?

[twin bridge]

that is entirely up to @hazy knoll after they get their little bird up for RHS, I'm hoping... I want them to be able to get theirs up and running because it belongs to them, and they will do a much better job in the long run than I could because they have a dev team and at least a decade of experience on me... 😄 I just hope they still let me use the one I put so much time into when it's done.

[sturdy fern]

Man crossing fingers 🤞🏿

I know it’ll happen eventually, just good to know people are working on it currently.

[past grail]

ngl i saw his responses to you and others when he initially called out the model and i highly doubt it. multiple people asked for permission and he chose not to respond, but continued talking in the thread later. i would assume from his demenor that making your own is the only way :/

[twin bridge]

I prefer to remain positive, we are also talking privately, so don't be to quick to give up hope, and if you do, keep it to yourself please 🙂

[past grail]

i said its a doubt.... not im giving up hope lol
but thats good news so im more hopefull now if you guys are in talks!^^

[sick skiff]

Are we able to see the pilot reticle at some point in the future?

[twin bridge]

it's just a simple tinted circle with a red outline on the AH6 models - more of place holder until I had something more concrete to use.,, But sure, next time I'm in there I can take a screen shot

[sick skiff]

Thank you🙏🏾

[lost estuary]

Question does the little bird still work with the current version of the game?

[twin bridge]

been removed due to controversy, read up

[gilded roost]

yes very sad

[white grove]

wdym controversy?

[true night]

Read up

[white grove]

I have

I can't find shit

[paper forge]

#1190652045045284975 message

Start there and work down.. it is not that hard to find the reason..

@white grove

[brave bane]

Someone needs to find a good MH-6 model

[vagrant shore]

if only you could scroll up you would see pupa is making a model

[brave bane]

That overrides everything.

[hexed ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-glorpcat-gif-15335017139106197045

[deep knot]

What happened to this mod?

[twin bridge]

read up #1190652045045284975 message start around there

[deep knot]

Dang

[brave bane]

RIP this beautiful mod

3 Months ago today we lost a great thing.

[spark spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/down-periscope-pirate-may-god-have-mercy-on-his-soul-gif-15076988

[grave sapphire]

Fr