TFG - Helmand Province (condensed) - WIP

[magic mango]

Here's the official enf_showcase for our map. This is a condensed version of Helmand Province, inspired by the work @worldly oracle did on Kunar.

Currently WIP, but several main landmarks are sorted. Hopefully should allow for more large scale combat and urban operations 🙂

Ideas / Feedback welcome, but please be constructive with it! I am a solo dev and work full time outside of this :p

@magic venture has done a couple of trailers of the progress so far. Keep an eye out for more going forward!

https://youtu.be/dbtX4G1oJHc?si=mw6eg7imX5Av0syu
https://youtu.be/QJRignJQ-BI?si=nsThotvRi98xv26y

[magic venture]

Looking good a lot of Servers already saying theyy will use this.

[low bluff]

Have you thought about covering the entirety of the black space and open area with sparse Trees and grass, as placeholder until you do another pass through it and add all the detail?

Thatll make the entire terrain usable, while they wait for the rest of the areas to be filled in by your team

[steep aurora]

@quartz violet

[willow trench]

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[magic mango]

good idea this, I was going to add a bunch of trees and similar after the next big city so that it could potentially be used but wasn't sure if people would want that

[low bluff]

Of course they would
A mixture of woods, open fields with rocks and sparse trees on rolling hills, and the occasional village - thats Afghanistan either way
So filling in the blanks with a wash of grey then adding some touches of color here and there over time isnt a bad idea, cause then instead of people waiting for the map to be "Done" (Look at how unused Zimnitrita is), before they use it, they can use this one and itll have features added over time

This map will likely be just as popular as Kunar was

[magic mango]

yeah the thing with helmand is it is literally just flat and desert 😂 but going with some creative freedom to add a bit of colour etc for gameplay experience, and there's gonna be a load of small villages or single houses dotted everywhere

[low bluff]

I used color as a metaphor for Points of interest like villages

And even deserts have their nuances, like 3 meter tall sand dunes here and there, or defalades in rocks
Flat desert isnt quite Flat unless youre on a dried up lake

All the places for someone to hide

[magic mango]

yeah for sure, it looks flat on the previews but it is a bit more hilly / duney than it looks as I didn't want it to be flat anyway. Plus trees / villages / ruins / houses etc all break up the landscape

[low bluff]

Cant wait for the playable release
Im going to have so much fun with this map

[magic mango]

and lots of dirt walls, farms, burnt out cars etc

[magic mango]

thanks! not too sure when it will be, but hopefully a playable state in the near(ish) future 🙂

[lilac brook]

@gilded cosmos another map to keep on the radar 👀

@lyric trellis

[low bluff]

@dry frigate

@hoary granite

[worthy cypress]

U think u could make the runway like same length as the one on everon or arland since the A10 takes alot of runway to take off

[low bluff]

Theres Bost Airport, Dwyer Airport, and Dostmohammadkhan Kalay Airport

realistically there should be 3 of them, excluding the recently abandoned Camp Shorabak airfield

[magic mango]

Yeah there'll be the main airport that's nearish lashkar gah, and then a camp bastion style MOB which will be the biggest on there, potentially another depending on space

Keep in mind it isn't a 1to1 helmand due to the scale being used, and layouts of cities etc aren't the same but they're roughly in the right places and designed with gameplay in mind rather than 100% realism 😊

There were no planes until the a10 mod to know take off distances, so started with a short runway that a jet would be able to use, but will make sure longer runways exist

[ashen moss]

This map is going to be amazing, can’t wait

[worthy cypress]

Can't wait for it if you need a unit to test it hit me up

[ashen moss]

Same here

[magic mango]

We're probably a couple of weeks away from an early version releasing 👌

Will have everything shown so far on the trailers but will mostly be 1 small section of the map and a large portion will be filled with trees / rocks

Regular updates will continue after that adding more to it

[magic venture]

https://youtu.be/6lBo14Madsk

[magic mango]

Soviet scrapyard just outside the city

[low bluff]

Will it always be burning?

[magic mango]

i think so yeah, do you not think it should?

it's only a few small fires in some of the cars, and then a pile of burning tyres

[low bluff]

It looks amazing but might cause frame issues

[magic mango]

yeah it will be tested to make sure it runs fine, I'm conscious of how particle effects can kill frames 🙂 and it's an easy change to do if it doesn't work well

[glacial robin]

Does this map go through both the Helmand Region and Kandahar Region? Idk I seen the map on the showcase widget

[magic mango]

It does not, kandahar is the region to the east, which is kioks kunar map 😊

[rose tendon]

What’s the map size

[jade stone]

Kunar is very far off from Kandahar, Kunar is near Kabul

[magic mango]

ahh my mistake, kioks map in tools has kandahar region in so presumed it was just a different name. He probably changed his choice

[magic mango]

4096x4096m squared

[magic mango]

it did 😦 trying with just 1 fire now but unfortunately might have to be removed fully

[low bluff]

:o
Is Helmund out yet?

What map is that if its not Helmund

[magic mango]

not out yet, but that is helmand yeah 🙂

[low bluff]

Some expanding of the open lands there, perhaps from the HMMWV, to the distant town, and along the river, and you look like you have a good chunk of playable space

[magic mango]

i only have time to put a few hours in a night, but i'm getting there 🙂 the right hand side of that screenshot does have a decent play space. maybe op specific etc, but yeah more to do before I'm happy with releasing the first public early access of it

we'll be testing it in the next few weeks on a private server with a few people I think to see how it runs and feels, then a bit more work before making the mod public

here's a snip from the other side, the arrow is where the above photo was taken from

[ashen moss]

I’m dying to play this map

Would love to see it come out soon as my units has done 4 campaigns now in Kunar and we love being in Afghanistan, so a new map in the region will be amazing

[steep aurora]

I cant wait to try and use the A-10 on this

[gilded cosmos]

Ecstatic fr

[slim pasture]

Can’t wait to patrol through those poppy fields

[wise crypt]

for real, wish kunar map had some poppy fields .

[mortal nebula]

Yooo that’s sick

[magic venture]

scrap yard is very immersive on here

[steep aurora]

Will those smoke particles be present on release

[magic venture]

yes server still runs at 120fps with them on and we will be doing a few private ops to see if it effects server performance

[slim oriole]

Just my opinion, but I’d personally not want smoke to be there and just have it be a GM choice to place smoke there or not. It’d make the scrapyard look less active or more active as they wish. Would also remove the worry about server performance regarding the s,okie.

[ashen moss]

Agreed

[magic mango]

Interesting, if that's the popular opinion I might remove most of them but keep the one on the tire pit

[magic mango]

Will also be seeing what performance impact it has at the minute as well, though I'm a fan of more dynamic looking maps with a bit more life in them

[cobalt charm]

@magic mango Wassup

[magic mango]

@cobalt charm o/

[cobalt charm]

O/?

[magic mango]

Just waving haha, 👋

[cobalt charm]

So was i

[jade stone]

So long as it doesn't kill performance it'd be a cool detail

[magic mango]

Yeah I was hoping for the details, but of course it will go through plenty of testing to see I'd the performance is viable

[subtle tinsel]

Is there an eta on the release or is it like gonna be a surprise type thing, I’m excited that’s why I’m curious

[magic mango]

No eta on full release, aiming for some test runs on TFG server with what is there so far

Then all being well I'll be looking to release it "unfinished" but with regular updates. Will be an announcement when it's at that stage though, hopefully not tooo far away

[subtle tinsel]

Cool thanks for sharing

[magic mango]

Trying not to release it in a too empty state, but people seem to be excited for it

So trying to find that balance of what I think would be acceptable to release it in for people to play even a small portion of the map

[cobalt charm]

Release it with one town and a goat

[steep aurora]

Goat Mayor

[midnight snow]

Great job on Helmand so far! I honestly will be glad to see servers use this more than Kunar, nothing wrong with kunar. Just have been wanting a bigger Desert map

[chilly gazelle]

Ooh is that laggy in that area?

[magic venture]

Runs fine for us on PC but we gotta think of the console players. We have a few test ops on there over the next few weekends through my discord.

https://youtu.be/6lBo14Madsk?si=f_XY4acez4r65o59

[chilly gazelle]

Yeh pc is the master race 😂
I'm really hyped for this map tho gonna be sooo good

[magic venture]

If anyone has server stability doubts we test thoroughly

😂😂

[chilly gazelle]

Turn it to night time make it rain then try that 😂

[subtle tinsel]

Rain rain go away

[magic venture]

we dropped 100 rounds of artillery at same time lol

[low bluff]

Does nothing, have 64 players, 200 AI groups spawned in, spread them both out, and count how long until someone disconnects (I'd say 30 seconds)

[magic mango]

bohemia literally say it can't handle that though

we've had half and half, 35 slots with 75 AI and everything going on so the stability so far has been good 😂

but don't worry, map will be tested for stability and performance. This isn't the thread for server stuff anyway 🙂

[low bluff]

They say it can handle it on Arland

[magic mango]

"might" be more feasible they say

[low bluff]

Your map is smaller than Arland, so that puts it at a good point to stress test

[magic mango]

it isn't smaller than arland haha

[subtle tinsel]

Is it as big as everon? Or smaller

[magic mango]

map size is the same size as arland, so 16km squared, but it is full land and not a little island like arland is

[low bluff]

Arland is 4.5x4.5 in terms of playable area, and 6x6 in terms of total map size, so theyre about equivalent

[magic mango]

that's arland

[low bluff]

I was mistaken

[magic mango]

then everon is a lot bigger too, unsure on land mass but probably based on the scale of the world map it's like 2.5x the size at least

[low bluff]

Everon is roughly 12x12 KM, minus some Bays

51-54 Squared

[magic mango]

my little lonely self would have a lot of work to do to fill a map that size 😂

[subtle tinsel]

I can’t wait for this map

[magic venture]

https://youtu.be/TevDnkRK51A?si=z29k71JSQS3JXhBA

1st test op on server

[faint rune]

the bots were pretty stupid though, so in many places they didn't react at all

[magic mango]

Yeah they didn't seem to listen to GM orders for some reason, despite working in the workbench. Trying to regenerate the navmeshes but having a problem with publishing atm

[sand sierra]

Is this out yet

[magic mango]

Not yet publicly, though we're starting test ops on our server from this weekend whilst I'm getting it into a spot I'm happy releasing as a "beta"

[magic venture]

https://youtu.be/gkwZQfrRHfI?si=SPRJvuj3Vd6zHl0W

[chilly gazelle]

This map looks playable
Is it out yet?

Soz I wasn't looking properly it's right there above 😂 not public yet 😂

[magic mango]

Not yet, there's only that one corner / city with anything on really

Planning on starting the other big city soon

[chilly gazelle]

Looking very good soo far pal 👍

[magic mango]

Need to do another pass on the mountains I think to make them more realistic too

I think what I'll do is get a few more POIs down, few villages and then fill dead space with a small amount of trees and farms to get the map out in a public state whilst working on more

Hard trying to fit time in to work on it, but it's ticking along

[chilly gazelle]

Aslong as it's still rolling it dosnt matter how fast
Look forward to trying it out 🫡

[magic mango]

Not wanting to put a date on a public version of it just yet, but we do run test ops on the weekend for it

Hopefully not in the too distant future, just not wanting to release it too early a state when people are excited for it and wanting good things

[subtle epoch]

do you plan on adjusting the runway number to proper runway number

Meaning aligning with the compass heading of the runway

[magic mango]

So I wasn't actually aware of how this worked until now, but yes I will number them correctly

Thanks for letting me know!

[obtuse spade]

Can’t wait to see the full or even half map when it’s out my boys really enjoy Kunar and have been burning for another Afghan map Xbox players will definitely play this 100%. Love the work man keep it up

[midnight snow]

It’s great that Mr.PotatoAim gives out vids for his map(s). You don’t see it much but keep up the great work!

[subtle epoch]

It is one of the best maps I’ve been on

[midnight snow]

I hope to see it heavily used

[sterile tree]

Is there any updates?

[subtle tinsel]

Yeah is this map still being released soon?

[magic mango]

Sorry folks, yes this is still planned soon!
Will be after 1.0, but almost alongside it. Had a busy personal life going on but this is very much still in development 💪 will try and get a decent update put to you in the near future

[sterile tree]

Thank you

[subtle tinsel]

Awesome man!

[sterile tree]

Can’t wait for this to drop now that 1.0 is out I like kunar but I need less hills

[summer spear]

https://tenor.com/view/india-company-3rd-battalion-1st-marine-regiment-operation-al-fajr-footage-from-november-8-to-24-in-2004-by-corporal-jan-m-bender-foxtrot12-operation-al-fajr-second-battle-of-fallujah-gif-10102826811966049457

[placid wharf]

On god need a flat map

[magic mango]

Luckily we're pretty flat 😂 started work on the other big city.

Will try get it out for people as soon as possible, trying to find the right point between playable and unfinished

Not wanting it to be too empty and people get bored of it or it doesn't have a lot going on, but also wanting to get an early version out

[coarse hemlock]

You could release it as a scenario only! Kinda test how the community feels about it that way.

[magic mango]

starting to see a little more progress with some free time now, this will be the second city. It's still coming folks, apologies for the slow burn recently!

[gilded cosmos]

You're good fam
Aim true n we'll full send when ready

[steep aurora]

I see construction building

[sterile tree]

Rather it take a long to and be released as a full map than something that’s trash

[flat magnet]

Nice

[subtle tinsel]

Nice

[outer steppe]

Nice

[placid wharf]

Nice

[summer spear]

Nice

[cobalt charm]

Nice

[lavish sleet]

Nice

[keen kernel]

Nice

[subtle tinsel]

Nice X2

[summer spear]

2X NICE

[obtuse spade]

x3 NiCe

[cobalt charm]

X4 NICE

[lavish sleet]

X5 nice

[keen kernel]

X6 NICE

[sonic sigil]

X7 Nice

[west fulcrum]

X8 Nice

[atomic cove]

X9 Nice

[glacial robin]

X10 Nice

[outer steppe]

X11 Nice

[flat magnet]

X12 Nice

[subtle tinsel]

X13 Nice

[summer spear]

XXxxNICExxXX

[rare tide]

Ňįćë

[magic venture]

Noice

[subtle tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420

[sonic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-click-nice-man-guy-gif-21933845

[lime rune]

https://tenor.com/view/golden-noice-meme-gif-26450179

[summer spear]

https://tenor.com/view/afghan-combat-blast-explode-gif-11412906

[placid wharf]

Anything new with dis mod?

[summer spear]

Maybe next year man

[placid wharf]

Nice

[summer spear]

Oh I’m not one of the devs I’m just spit balling

[placid wharf]

Oh I getchu

Would be nice if it dropped next year but I would rather it take long and be good than rushed and shitty

[summer spear]

Well I mean from the vids and the screen shots I would think they are close to releasing it

[ashen moss]

Any news on this map? Just curious

[subtle tinsel]

Dude I forgot about this! I remember the hype lol

[magic mango]

sorry! still in the works i promise, just slow going atm

[gilded cosmos]

No worries
Take your time

[lime rune]

🥺

[flat magnet]

😞💕

[terse mesa]

Any news on the mod?

[magic mango]

apologies for the lack of info. I've picked the work back up again now and we're getting some slow progress at least 🙂 potentially going to release it as a WIP map as I've seen other WIP maps with less stuff on so I don't feel as bad releasing mine whilst there's still a fair amount to do

[steep aurora]

Been looking forward for this!

[magic mango]

feel bad for not getting it out sooner or getting more done on it, but I got burnt out and set too high expectations for release quality (I work in QA so I like things to be perfect 😂 )

But slowly back on it now and with a more relaxed outlook on it

[magic mango]

thinking of switching up ground material, thoughts on this combination?

[lyric trellis]

Looks nice

[wise crypt]

personally i don’t think the sand dune type material really fits

[subtle tinsel]

I like it, makes it look more desert like

[magic mango]

For reference, there is a mix of sandy stuff and more compact rocky stuff from what I've seen. Which is why I didn't want to just have the rocky material I had

What would you say isn't fitting with it? 🙂

[keen carbon]

I like it! Can't wait to see it in person

[wise crypt]

i can’t quite explain it, i’ve just known Afghanistan to be more like rocky and compact dirt more than sand.

[magic mango]

I was back and forth between that too, but there does seem a place for the more sandy stuff

I've kept the compacted dirt around the cities. I'll see if I can get the balance right, compacted in the more travelled routes and sand further out

I could maybe play about with the colour too, perhaps it's too yellow as it is

[wise crypt]

yeah maybe that’s it

[magic mango]

bit of weirdness with the new lighting making thing a million times brighter (these images are two with a new mat, just turned the camera slightly)

I think the slightly darker / browner sand fits better now personally

[magic mango]

compared to this brighter one

[lyric trellis]

The left picture with the darker sand looks better imo.

[slim pasture]

I personally would say the sand looks nice I’ve watched lots of footage from Afghanistan and the Helmand province is very sandy in lots of areas. The dirt/sand combo is very nice and fitting tho

[magic mango]

Annoyingly the left and right are exactly the same material, just the new lighting in reforger brightens the camera if the sun hits it

But it's only light at specific camera angles to the sun

[keen carbon]

Yeah. I've been fighting this on my map too. If you find a solution let me know please.

[magic mango]

believe it;s the environment probe. Think i've solved it with the light properties on the probe

[coarse hemlock]

@magic mango can we get a photo update please

[magic mango]

there isn't too much to update with currently, i'm just in the process of blending the sand and the compact material. But here's an angle of existing stuff. Haven't set up the distance fog or final sat map yet either

[coarse hemlock]

Poppy fields very nice mate will be interesting to see

[flat magnet]

Arma 2/3 assets??!!

[magic mango]

arma2, from kioks pack he made for kunar

[flat magnet]

That’s so beautiful 😍

[keen carbon]

Did you manually change them or just find a good place to drop the prob?

[magic mango]

I adjusted my probe position slightly, but yeah manually tweaked the light options on the probe. Think it was the top one, will check tonight

[keen carbon]

That would be awesome thank you. My map is brighter than I'd like but I have it located in the best spot I could find

[magic mango]

"LV Reflection Brightness" was the one, I had that lower than 0 and it was causing the change when looking towards the sun. Having it at 0 stopped the brightness of the ground changing

also the probe is in the open close to the ground

[keen carbon]

Awesome! Thanks man.

[flat magnet]

im edging to these updates king

[magic mango]

currently trying to fill this part of the city in, probably not too far away from a WIP release

[subtle tinsel]

Yayyyyy

[magic mango]

https://reforger.armaplatform.com/workshop/5DCD46D8EFB17479-TFG-HelmandProvince

first public publish is live

[keen carbon]

SIIICCCKKKK! CAN'T WAIT TO TRY IT

[keen carbon]

What feedback have you gotten on performance?

[magic mango]

Nothing, wanting any and all feedback

[sand sierra]

It’s really good man, a few things I’d say is maybe try to add a little bit more to the open space, I don’t personally mind but some might and second is maybe add some more greenery to the mix by having a green zone or two to add a little bit more flavour to the map, I got some ok pictures I could fine, some are of areas in the neighboring province of Kandahar but the terrain should be virtually the same

The south of the country gets more water then up north and with your map having a massive river running through it would make sense

Other then that I love the map and can’t wait to use it in my community

[magic mango]

Did use a lot of reference of helmand, and other than farms in the wetter months it is pretty much dead all over

I could maybe increase the amount of life along parts of the river. In terms of the open space, helmand is literally flat and empty so I kinda wanted to keep to that as most maps currently don't have open flat space

[sand sierra]

Fair enough, I’d add some more shrubs but I do really like the map, it will make for some interesting fights

[magic mango]

Yeah I could swap from sparse to dense for some of the generators

[worthy cypress]

Hey brother by any chance could you remove the pre placed spawn the map on the us team bc we can't remove it in gm

[magic mango]

Where abouts is it?

[worthy cypress]

Its at outpost rock

It part of the command tent comp

[magic mango]

Ahh yeah, swear I removed that 🤔 will take a look tonight

[worthy cypress]

Thanks brother

[magic mango]

spawn points have been sorted, there was a USSR one kicking about too. Will publish soon

[worthy cypress]

Copy that had your bois over for couple hours good bunch of lad can't wait to work with us again btw im owner of Afghan life

[keen carbon]

@magic mangoTried locally hosting Helmand and I was tanking down to 55 FPS from 120 FPS. Thought maybe it was because I was hosting so I threw it up on my server hosted through PingPerfect and Im still stuck around 55-60 fps instead of my usual 120. Im running a 7900xtx and 7800x3d. upscaled to 4k from 80 percent. I havent had my console buddies try it yet but i'm curious what youre seeing in terms of performance? IK TFG has some console gamers too.

[magic mango]

Hm not sure what could be tanking it to that extreme, I've only ever really ran it in editor which has been fine

Is it in certain areas or looking certain directions or is it just in general?

I ask because I had someone today say performance seemed fine though they hadn't stress tested it yet

[keen carbon]

It was at the main base. I'll try other areas when I have more time. I'm not sure either.

[keen carbon]

I'm not sure how or where you'd change this but you have to have some sort of artificial fps cap at 60 on here. At the bare minimum settings, I'm still only getting 65fps for the map.

[magic mango]

Interesting, will investigate

[keen carbon]

I checked my server settings and I can hit 100-120 fps on Benghazi and Fallujah on the same server so it's gotta be somewhere there. I can't remember having an option for that on Benghazi but I'll check it tonight and see if I do. Map looks hella fun though!

[magic mango]

Yeah I'm not sure, I definitely didn't change anything to do that and i wouldn't think its as performance heavy as those two maps at all

[keen carbon]

I wouldn't either. Benghazi is a performance hog because it's so flat and dense. Helmand is pretty flat but It shouldn't have that big of an effect. I'll do some digging on my side too.

[magic mango]

Been informed that some of the placed guns have somehow duplicated themselves several times on top of eachother which may explain the fps hit

[quartz violet]

if you copy and paste buildings or rocks and stuff it will duplicate

[magic mango]

How do you mean sorry? I only ever did this by holding alt and moving some

Or do you mean if you literally ctrl c and ctrl v it places a copy down but also one in the same place?

[quartz violet]

so i got lazy with my map and seleted everything and ctrl c/ ctrl v alot of my roads/builings/walls/rocks/props and once i place it down i got some lag and tested it....it was so bad i crashed went back to edit tools to see everything dup like 3-5 times......but if you pick one by one and then copy and paste youll be fine

i had to deleted it and not be lazy lol

[keen carbon]

I had the same issue. Spent weeks going through each building, wall, door, and tree to delete the duplicates. I'm sure I didn't get them all but got a lot and got a decent fps boost from it.

[magic mango]

Hm I didn't do that, but will check for dupes of things this weekend

[keen carbon]

Hoping to test w my Xbox buddy tonight. I'll update you. He's saying he's getting 40-60 while in GM right now.

[keen carbon]

Update: FPS bumped to around 80-90 at my normal settings so a still lower than most maps but better now. Not sure if my server was still loading stuff in or not before.

Other issue, it seems as though the navmesh needs updated. In garsmir the AI is repeatedly getting stuck walking into walls and buildings as well as trying to shoot through buildings as if they weren't there.

[magic mango]

I regenerated the navmesh once I'd finished, but will regenerate it again when I sort the duped stuff out too

Appreciate the feedback so far though!

[keen carbon]

Sure thing. I'm really perplexed on the fps spike I got from 7pm to midnight. I really liked the layout of the city of Garsmir. I think if you added some wadi's and some stuff in the mountains that would make the map feel really rounded out.

Also, I'm terms of the navmesh, I've found that just regenerating it doesn't update it. After I update mine, I go through and change my soldier navmesh to low res and low res to soldier then change them back.

That seems to make the workbench recognize they've been updated and let me save it.

[magic mango]

Yeah I should make use of that larger mountain on the side of garmsir and a couple of settlements in the middle strip of mountain near the airport (which will be getting a revamp itself too)

[keen carbon]

That would be cool
That strip mountain is kinda awkward as it currently stands. Really like the map so far though!

[magic mango]

What do you mean by awkward?

[keen carbon]

Ill preface by stating I've never been in the Helmand province so idk if it's actually there or not but it looks unnatural and out of place.

Like it's too narrow and just a strip of mountain.

[magic mango]

Gotcha, it was there from the height map of the section of helmand I used so I just went with it

And it kinda breaks up the map slightly from being completely flat and open but I could look to make it more use able than just a random mountain

[magic mango]

could you show me which buildings the AI don't recognise? looking at the navmesh there's no issues that i can see

[keen carbon]

I won't be able to play again until Wednesday night but I'll try to test it and send you some more screen shots.

I wouldn't change that strip yet. I'll mess w it some more. I think if anything it just needs to be widened w more elevation variance but I'll let you know.

[worthy cypress]

@magic mango

Is there a download able of the map I could get

[magic mango]

How do you mean sorry? It's on the workshop currently so should be able to grab it from there

[worthy cypress]

Nvm i got one from task

[clever stump]

@magic mango I noticed that when trying to load the scenario of the map locally it makes the game hard crash and I have had a few people test this, any clue why?

Does it work when deployed onto a server? I just wanted to check with you regarding this.

[magic mango]

Someone reported the same thing to me the other day, I'll take a look tonight and see whats happening

I was waiting to see if the update yesterday was going to be for official first.

[torn mesa]

Yeah I am also experiencing the same issue

[clever stump]

I gotcha, I threw it on my test server with only the map and it just instantly crashes

[magic mango]

Will take a look tonight, I think I know what is likely causing it

[clever stump]

I def appreciate it

[magic mango]

don't suppose anyone has crash logs? it crashes in tools too but doesn't show a clear crash point

[clever stump]

I do not, I will get you some though in a minute

[clever stump]

Dms

[magic mango]

there's nothing obvious as to whats causing it 😦 I'll try do some digging but it doesn't appear to be a simple fix

[clever stump]

Dang

[magic mango]

Gets to 86% loading the world and then closes, so I think it's one of the entities that's either been removed or changed location in the folder structure of the dependencies

It's just going to be hard to narrow down

[clever stump]

didnt think about that, that is a hard one

[keen carbon]

Are you using map makers mod?

[magic mango]

Middle Eastern assets and kioks atc

[keen carbon]

Hmmm. I'm not sure what could have caused that then. Have you figured it out yet?

[magic mango]

I haven't yet, I think it's likely to do with kioks as it was working a little while ago before it got changed to atc

There isn't really anything obvious in the logs to suggest what crashes, and it just closes the application so no crash log

[keen carbon]

Interesting...I have kioks stuff too but as of yet, haven't had any issues like that.

Do you think it's possibly duplicated entities stacked on top of each other still?

[magic mango]

Nah it wasn't crashing with that, I feel like it's something I've used that's no longer in or something

I don't really know how to give about diagnosing the issue tbh with it not showing much in the way of a callstack

[keen carbon]

Yeah. That's frustrating. I'm off Tuesday night so if you haven't figured it out by then, I'll try to take a look around and see if anything jumps out at me.

[magic mango]

It's partly my fault for not really keeping up with mod updates onto he dependencies

The only thing I can think of is the name change for kioks atc but there isn't anything changed inside that mod from what I can tell

[keen carbon]

I don't think that's it. It didn't effect my map. Might be middle Eastern assets. I dropped that one a while back

[torn mesa]

Is this map working yet or still working on it?

[magic mango]

Still broken currently, haven't been able to figure out the issue 🙃

[vital delta]

this dead?

[summer dock]

@magic mango Hey boss, my group has started using this map but have run into the issue where when AI orders are placed - they immediately dissapear. Was wondering if you were aware and had a fix in the pipeline or if this project is DoA?

[magic mango]

It was dead due to some crashes and I couldn't get around as it crashed the tools every time too

But I'll take a look tonight and see if I can fix the AI if I can open it now. It's interesting you have been able to put it on without issue 🤔

[summer dock]

Ya, we have 0 crashes on this map. It runs properly too.

It is just a matter of AI being a issue; other than that everything was working.

[magic mango]

Interesting, will see if it works again in tools tonight. Maybe a recent update fixed something

[vital delta]

If you are fixing bugs then I have a few to report

Whenever placing an order for AI to move in a vehicle crashes the person from the server and the server needs to be reset for them to join back, Fov is stuck to 70 no matter what you do.

We move the map to any other map and none of the above issues occur

[wraith arrow]

sick

[magic mango]

The map hasn't been updated since before ai update so that will be the result of those related issues

Fov is weird, will look into it

I can open it in tools now but my layers file is missing stuff, so looking into how I can revert it to the current published version and will then redo the navmesh for the new ai stuff

[summer dock]

Glad to see the work will continue, you have a amazing little map that can facilitate some big ideas. Hopefully you can get it back to full working order.

[magic mango]

Good news, I have managed to restore my project files so should be able to get an update out over the weekend

Will add a little bit of content as well as an apology for it being broken for so long 😅 I'd kinda left it as I'd ran out of steam for map stuff

[sacred charm]

Woooo thanks for the update and take your time

[summer dock]

https://tenor.com/view/goated-slide-ice-goat-jump-gif-27617241

[magic mango]

AI fix should be out (seemed to work in tools anyway) 🙏

I will say I don't know if I'll be adding to this now or when, I dont have the time and there's a lot of good maps on the horizon (takistan etc) but I'll maintain any critical issues like crashes / broke AI etc 🙂

[clever stump]

@magic mango ai commands don't work, and the fov is scuffed badly

[magic mango]

Ah fuck forgot about the fov

Can you show me what commands aren't working? I had them move, drive, defend and area

[clever stump]

I was running it on my server last night for 15 minutes and none of them were working, had built a op in gm at the airport, I would command them to move or defend and it would disapear after 10 seconds

and the ai would stand still @magic mango

[magic mango]

Hmm, will take a look. The GM command was working in tools for me

[keen carbon]

Are you running any other mods?

[magic mango]

completely deleted all the navmeshes and regenerated from scratch, changed the camera manager too so hopefully the FOV is no longer locked

1.0.6, if the AI isn't fixed on the server this time can I have logs or something please? It works in tools still

[summer dock]

I noticed that when I have certain faction mods enabled, AI go freak mode. But I will do some further testing and narrow down those so I am not pointing you in the wrong direction.

[magic mango]

if it's specific faction mods then I'm not sure I'd be able to fix it unless there's something fundamentally different with my map setup that causes it but not sure there is from what I can tell

[flat magnet]

map hass navmesh???

[magic mango]

Yeah should do