#arma3_troubleshooting

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fringe salmon
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when im playing exile then all of a sudden i get kicked and it saids something like Missing addons and then some random ass addon

cobalt ginkgo
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do you now what RPT is

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and where to find it

fringe salmon
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yes in the steam arma3 folder right?

cobalt ginkgo
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no...

fringe salmon
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where then?

cobalt ginkgo
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hit Windows key + R > type in %localappdata%

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hit enter and open Arma 3 folder

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look for a file with most recent date and time you got kicked

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open it with notepad

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link it here after

fringe salmon
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?

cobalt ginkgo
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it doesnt say anything about missing addons so it would help if you remember if this addons are from the base game or third party

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check which addons does that server/mission require to play

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if you get kicked on start its likely that youre missing some requried addon

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however RPT is full of errors that come from bad addon configuration and mission scripting

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also I dont see you running CBA and I think its required to run CUP

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you named the file arma3 crash, so is it crashing or are you getting kicked?

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there is also infistar.de anticheat log there, not sure if thats normal, it shouldnt be logging in clients RPT

fringe salmon
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ok

cobalt ginkgo
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mods are listed there

fringe salmon
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I'll throw down this question in here, since I'm not sure what exactly is going on.

My group has found that sometimes their Zeus ping key just completely stops working, and they can't enter the interface if they have access to it, in addition to certain things Ares provides in Zeus to break. I have a feeling that it's Ares, but I want to know if anyone has had a similar issue before I go and try all these different things.

lyric shard
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@fringe salmon Are you giving people Zeus access by Game Master module, MCC, or both?

fringe salmon
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@lyric shard I have a Zeus virtual entity set to playable sharing the same variable as the owner of the game master module. I also have two more Zeuses, one set with #adminLogged and the other using my PID so I have access no matter what.

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The latter two are independent of any virtual entities.

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I have noticed that Zeus rarely breaks for the ones with virtual entities, and when it does it's typically a scripting error I overlooked.

lyric shard
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There is an option for what addons a Zeus can use, and the default does not allow modded content

fringe salmon
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I'm aware, and I make sure to allow modded content

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My issue is Zeus just not functioning. I can't enter Zeus from on the ground

fringe salmon
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But when i click Mount the Project Drive in arma tools, workdrive crashes.. Is that a known problem?

cobalt ginkgo
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no have you made sure the paths are correct?

fringe salmon
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Yeah the paths are perfectly correct

cobalt ginkgo
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Preferences > Options?

fringe salmon
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Yep

cobalt ginkgo
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hmm I dont know, never had issue with it

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where is your workdrive is it on C?

fringe salmon
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Havent set path to poseidon tools but the instructions didnt say anything about that

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no workdrive is on an external harddrive

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i can try c

cobalt ginkgo
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nah you dont need that, that requires separate install of poseidon and mikero tools dont worry about it

fringe salmon
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k k

cobalt ginkgo
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nope I was thinking C to be the issue esp userprofile

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mine is on separate drive althoug not external

fringe salmon
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Oh

cobalt ginkgo
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like G:\Armawork

fringe salmon
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mine is F:_\proons\steam\steamapps\common\Arma 3 Tools [WorkDrive]

cobalt ginkgo
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ouch, you used arma3 tools folder as workdrive path

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I dont know how that works thats a new thing

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try just F:\Armawork

fringe salmon
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Ok i will try

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Nope, still crashes

cobalt ginkgo
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did it ask if you want to use arma3 tools as project drive on install?

fringe salmon
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I dont remember actually

cobalt ginkgo
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hm let me see where the logs are at

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arma 3 tools > View > Open Logs folder

fringe salmon
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The instructions i followed just told me to call the folder Arma 3 Tools [WorkDrive], guess it doesnt make a difference what you call it

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ok 2 sec

cobalt ginkgo
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Arma 3 Tools [WorkDrive]
thats your project drive folder name?

fringe salmon
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yep

cobalt ginkgo
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jesus who wrote that BS on wiki

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I dont know how it handles special chars and spaces if at all

fringe salmon
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๐Ÿ˜„

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ok i will try a new name

cobalt ginkgo
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maybe it does but I am not sure about that

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lets see the log

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find the most recent workdrive rpt open it with notepad and paste it to pastebin or alike

fringe salmon
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Tried Arma 3 Work and it still crashes. how can i show you the log? its so longs

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long

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just paste it here?

cobalt ginkgo
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its hard to read it here

fringe salmon
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yeah

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here

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thats from worksdrive

cobalt ginkgo
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wow ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

fringe salmon
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??

cobalt ginkgo
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wth is this F:\spil\}}}}}}\SteamLibrary\steamapps\

fringe salmon
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spil means games

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in danish

cobalt ginkgo
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and }}}}}}

fringe salmon
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and }}}}}} is just a what i call my subfolders lol

cobalt ginkgo
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jez man ... @tiny imp can you help here I dont know what does workdrive do with special chars in folder names.

fringe salmon
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But anyway would that really make the program crash?

cobalt ginkgo
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possibly, but I am not 100% sure

fringe salmon
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ok well thats good i guess if thats just the problem

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i will try and rename

cobalt ginkgo
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you have two paths there I dont know how this works

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F:\_\proons\steam\steamapps\common\Arma 3 Tools\

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and then there is that one with }}}}

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I guess this is screwed up big time, should uninstal tools and do a fresh reinstall

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and avoid that funky folder names

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if it asks where to install buldozer dont use arma3 tools folder use your custom path

fringe salmon
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ok

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i might have been having problems with net framework, could that be a cause of the crash?

cobalt ginkgo
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it should install requirements on first launch

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yes if .netFW is borked it will cause issues

fringe salmon
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changing paths didnt work .. รญ can try and reinstill netfw

cobalt ginkgo
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they do follow crashes and make them priority

fringe salmon
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Alright thx

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  • for the help
cursive vessel
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anybody else having BattleEye dropping ACE like it's hot?

balmy cargo
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BattlEye is currently blocking all my DLL's, I need to load xCam so I can export some files to TerrainBuilder. Any Ideas?

fringe salmon
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Turn off Battleye

balmy cargo
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I did, it still happened so show that the DLL's were being blocked by BattlEye in the log....

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Turned it off and it still logged as being blocked

fringe salmon
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Then you didnt

balmy cargo
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That's what makes no sense....

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I'll send you a photo once my files validate (again)

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No other DLL's run.. It says a teamviewer DLL is being blocked, along with Reshade

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ALL .DLL files are blocked, It's happening to all my friends as well

fringe salmon
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Then battleye is running, if you have battleye disabled then it cant block anything

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It's BattleEye

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Their servers are borked

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As per usual

balmy cargo
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RIP

cursive vessel
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thanks.

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thought so

lapis heart
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Hello! Has anyone ever run into a 0xc000009a error? I've tried a few different things, but nothing as resolved the issue. I know that this is not strictly an Arma error, but I have not run into this problem with any other programs...

cobalt ginkgo
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most likely caused by BE, there is some issue currently with it

twilit agate
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@lapis heart I had that issue, I fixed it by removing the .dll for reshade/sweetfx, and now arma loads, but now other dll's still fail to load (eg inidb.dll)

fringe salmon
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no no no no

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Don't remove dlls, you can ignore Battleye blocking dlls. Just accept they won't work for now

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Battleye will by default block dlls that have been whitelisted. When it can't contact the master server
Because the battleye client doesn't know the dll is safe to load up & isn't someone trying to hack the game.

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If you need a dll to load like inidb for exporting stuff from arma.
Just launch arma with battleye disabled

reef swallow
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CAN WE GET A ADMIN IN cANADA 2 hARDCORE. SOO MUCH HACKING GOING ON

cobalt ginkgo
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why do you think admins are here?

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try their site, forum, ts3 / whatever means

reef swallow
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FIGURE THERE BE AT LEAST ON ON THEIR DOISCORD SERVER

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ONE

cobalt ginkgo
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this is not their discord server

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why ALL CAPS!!111

desert isle
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@reef swallow So, you come to the Discord server of a game company to ask for an admin to assist on a private server? I'll call DICE the next time I want to buy gun parts then.....

fringe salmon
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Still waiting for feedback.bistudio to respond.. Anyone else know why Work drive is crashing when clicking Mount the project drive?

strange drift
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its weekend mate ๐Ÿ˜›

fringe salmon
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Aaah..........ยจ

twilit agate
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@fringe salmon i renamed the dll, so when BE is fixed, i can enable it again. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ I had to rename it due to ArmA not wanting to load, and it pointed to that dll from reshade/sweetfx. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

lapis heart
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@twilit agate @fringe salmon Thanks Soul. I will try that out. I've been used Reshade for a quite few months now, but I will try removing it. Is there any way to estimate how long it will take for Battle Eye to whitelist Reshade's dlls?

fringe salmon
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Just... Turn BE off?

lapis heart
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@fringe salmon My friends and I play on multiplayer servers which require that it be enabled.

fringe salmon
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Well then you're kind of SOL until BE comes back online.

lapis heart
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Yup.

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Rip my beautiful Arma... ๐Ÿ˜ฉ

twilit agate
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@lapis heart all I did was rename dxgi.dll to dxgi.dll-dontload, then ArmA will load. In my testing, other .dll's like inidb.dll were also blocked. Once BE is fixed, I will rename the dll back so reshade/sweetfx loads again.

lapis heart
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@twilit agate Cool beans. I've done much the same. Thanks for the help man.

twilit agate
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np

supple folio
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Is there a load order for dedicated server mods? I'm trying to load up some mods for a mission, they run fine on a listen server but the dedicated server says that 4 of the mods aren't loading even though they are in the list and spelled correctly.

desert isle
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Could you list the mods in order that they're being loaded?

frigid crow
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Does anyone know the probable cause of a status_access_violation during boot up?

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Even after reinstalling the game from scratch

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And no mods

fringe salmon
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Right now in my BRPVP server the guy was using a guillie but i see hin with underware.

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He removed and put again the guillie and problem is fixed.

fringe salmon
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The person ping was 300+

supple folio
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@desert isle @RHSAFRF;@RHSUSAF;@CBA_A3;@eager glade;@task_force_radio;@MCC;@ALiVE;@CUP_Terrains_Core;@CUPS;@AEM;@AR;@F-14D Tomcat;@F-15 Eagle;@F-16 Fighting Falcon;@FA-18 Super Hornet;@FIR AWS;@USS Nimitz

desert isle
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In my exp CBA should always come first

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Also, what 4 aren't loading?

supple folio
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10:04:39 Mission Cherno_server_2.Chernarus: Missing 'description.ext::Header'
10:04:40 Starting mission:
10:04:40  Mission file: Cherno_server_2 (__cur_mp)
10:04:40  Mission world: Chernarus
10:04:40  Mission directory: mpmissions\__cur_mp.Chernarus\
10:04:40 Warning Message: mpmissions\__cur_mp.Chernarus\mission.sqm/Mission/Entities/Item35.type: Vehicle class FIR_F15E_GARUDA1 no longer exists
10:04:40 Warning Message: mpmissions\__cur_mp.Chernarus\mission.sqm/Mission/Entities/Item36.type: Vehicle class FIR_F15K_1st no longer exists
10:04:40 Warning Message: mpmissions\__cur_mp.Chernarus\mission.sqm/Mission/Entities/Item37.type: Vehicle class FIR_F16C_Ag_lizard no longer exists
10:04:40 Warning Message: mpmissions\__cur_mp.Chernarus\mission.sqm/Mission/Entities/Item38.type: Vehicle class FIR_F16C_WP no longer exists
10:04:40 Warning Message: mpmissions\__cur_mp.Chernarus\mission.sqm/Mission/Entities/Item147.type: Vehicle class JDG_carrier_Spawner no longer exists
10:04:40 Missing addons detected:
10:04:40   FIR_F15_F
10:04:40   FIR_F16_F
10:04:40   JS_JC_FA18
10:04:40   JDG_carrier````
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The RPT log doesn't even list anything beyond the F-14D Tomcat in the list and even that is listed as not found

jaunty cedar
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maybe you need add " " around the mod line to protect the spaces

desert isle
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^

supple folio
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KK I'll try that also its on a Vilayer AIO server so I don't know if that will make a difference

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Hmm so the Vilayer control panel wont let me put quotes around the mod line, which makes me wonder if its something with their script, I'll try setting up a local dedicated server and see if I can't get it working there

supple folio
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@jaunty cedar @desert isle w00t got it working looks like it was an issue with spaces in the mod names, I just changed them all to _ and now it works

desert isle
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Glad to hear it!

red lodge
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mb 4wd back seat bugged for anybody else?

fallow remnant
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bugged in what way?

strange drift
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does the screenshot sqf cmd work for anyone these days?

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at first it was just me getting the "dx11 error: saving of screenshot to file faild: e_fail"

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yet apparently it happens also to the others ive asked to test

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so did BI brake it altogether?

cobalt ginkgo
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echoing never worked for me

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made a ticket nobody cared

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managed to get around it by using KKs scr_cap.dll and custom script made by @rich yoke

slow abyss
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screenshot works for me. (on v1.64 Prof branch)

slow abyss
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Also on DEV and with the export func

cobalt ginkgo
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tried dev and diag.exe nothing helps, it fails before it even begins doing anything.. explained in ticket above

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any attempt to run it end with dx11 error: saving of screenshot to file faild: e_fail

hollow nimbus
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@Jastreb#8971 can you try without startup params please

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it seems connected to it somehow

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also post your rpt/startup params where it didnt work

cobalt ginkgo
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going to try tommorow late now but there it didnt work

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"D:\Program Files\SteamLib\steamapps\common\Arma 3\arma3diag.exe" -nosplash -mod=RHSUSAF;RHSAFRF;

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"D:\Program Files\SteamLib\steamapps\common\Arma 3\arma3.exe" -skipIntro -noSplash -name=Jastreb -unit= "-mod=D:\Program Files\SteamLib\steamapps\common\Arma 3\RHSAFRFTEST;D:\Program Files\SteamLib\steamapps\common\Arma 3\RHSUSAFTEST;"

hollow nimbus
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without custom profile folder it works here

hollow nimbus
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HDRPrecision=8 seems to break it too

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@Jastreb#8971 can you check your arma3.cfg please (C:\Users\XXX\Documents\Arma 3)

cobalt ginkgo
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@strange drift yeah I got that in arma3.cfg HDRPrecision=8;

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can you sum up the findings and lets see if it works for me with custom settings you found

strange drift
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lets hope 16/32 fixes it for you two

cobalt ginkgo
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sorry 16/32?

strange drift
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8 = low HDR

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16 = normal

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32 = high

cobalt ginkgo
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aham ok so increase HDR gotcha and no -profile=/-name= params

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@strange drift no errors in rpt checking if SS are saved

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hot damn it worked

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but I dont know they look too bright

strange drift
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well thats a general probelm i heard

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glad to hear it worked

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-name is fine

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just no -profiles and HDR>=16

cobalt ginkgo
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yeah it works even if AR is not 16:9, I had mine on 16:10 cause my display looks funky in 16:9

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I will update the ticket later and maybe close it?

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@tiny imp can you update the Biki link above with this info? Thanks

strange drift
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BIKI updated

jaunty badger
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I tried to report a security issue, but I get this error:

Access Denied: Maniphest    
You do not have permission to assign tasks.
Users with the "Can Assign Tasks" capability:
This object has a custom policy controlling who can take this action.
strange drift
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@tiny imp

tiny imp
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looking into it @strange drift @jaunty badger ...

strange drift
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ty

fallow remnant
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I placed vehicles, they automagically shifted 10m behind where i had placed them
civ plane spontaneously explodes upon being put into hangar
Last time a Taru was refusing waypoints, this time a Hellcat was repetitively aborting a waypoint and running away

BI y u do dis

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And AI tanks can't drive for shit

fringe salmon
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Yep that sounds like Arma!

fallow remnant
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oh btw slinglioadable device is invincible.

balmy cargo
fringe salmon
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there is a command to me leave spectator mode?

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i tried to add a custom key to leave spectator mode but custom keys not work when spectating

ancient dirge
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Could someone explain why this is taking super long to finish? http://prntscr.com/czqx9l , Also could someone help me understand a bit more about if statements and how I can use them, I have an idea but I dunno how to make it work...

errant arch
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i got a sreious issue. everytime i start my game it crashes. sometimes i can join a server before it freezes

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but it always freezes if someone has an idea whats causing it

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one day i turned my pc on and it just started doing this

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i just recently reinstalled windows 10 and i updated the drivers

wise barn
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Mods?

red lodge
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anybody else have a problem where arma 3 and launcher both crashes after a while of running the game?

cursive vessel
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Is it me, or does Tanoa run like crap in editor?.. not even running it, it's barely 20fps here.. and trust me, i'm not on a potato..

red lodge
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the editor runs a lot slower on the game

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than*

cursive vessel
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backwards here

red lodge
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ancient pc?

cursive vessel
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No potato mate.. @red lodge 2x 1080, i7 4.9ghz. ๐Ÿ˜‰

fallow remnant
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@cursive vessel ironically enough dual GPUs may be the source of the problem. Try running Arma with a single GPU.

cursive vessel
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yeah, i know, it's just so random

errant arch
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@wise barn no mods. i admin on a server so i know not to use mods

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link to my rpt file

fringe salmon
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tfw 30fps

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well

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oh well then

balmy cargo
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Anyone got an idea why I can't move my buldozer around? I can view everything but can't move or manipulate

balmy cargo
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Fixes

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Fixed*

slow granite
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Ok so I can't suddenly connect to any servers.

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No error message or anything

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I was able to join a server like 1h ago

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but went afk which then kicked me off the server i was at

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and now I can't join any server

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It just stays in the loading screen

gray locust
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Malformed data? Setting server default?

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I've seen this happen a few times.

cobalt ginkgo
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hah BS I finally got an acess violation crash 0x05c

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not going to troubleshoot HW and system at all thats bull

tiny imp
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@cobalt ginkgo ... on performance binary ? ... if not get it, if yes, provide me the crashdumps and logs ๐Ÿ˜‰

cobalt ginkgo
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stable, nah I dont get it why, only thing I used that I did not previously is new ace3

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and I used system malloc for first time

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will try to reproduce with tbb

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and it crashed on exit not while playing

cobalt ginkgo
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nah no crash now, must of been malloc

tiny imp
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@cobalt ginkgo use performance binary because it has dozen more crash types fixed already

stable thunder
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is there something wrong with battleye? arma outright not starting with it

pure geode
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Hello I have an issue: My game stops responding for no reason and then after a few minuetes it comes back and im kicked for battleye not responding? I have no idea how to fix it

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;/

balmy cargo
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TerrainBuilder crashing when I open buldozer, never happened before. Any Ideas?

fallow remnant
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%localappdata%\Arma 3

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There are a bunch of files ending with .rpt

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Look at the most recent one

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Scroll to the end

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You'll find some sort of error there, hopefully

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And post it here

balmy cargo
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Fixed it

winged folio
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alright so about that thermals issue that I asked about

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I have taken a closer look at the problem and as it turns out, the only case in which thermal vision is completely black is in our mission aka on our server/in our template

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so as is it has nothing to do with the modset im using, I can open up a session in the editor using the same setup and it works

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as a reminder heat signatures still show up but terrain and sky are just one big uniform black plane

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out of mission it's the way it's supposed to be, grey with rough terrain outlines

fallow remnant
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as a reminder heat signatures still show up but terrain and sky are just one big uniform black plane
yeah, this is not nice at all

winged folio
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?

winged folio
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the issue was that the game believes that (even on tanoa, with 25ยฐC at 11pm) it's so cold in january, that everything should be black on thermals

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issue does not pop up in july

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winter was the problem

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bullsh*t but oh well

gray locust
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@winged folio You might know do you know if ACE3 will be supporting Nasoesophageal tubes again?

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And airway management?

brave crest
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Please refrain from making requests for any planned or existing features from either ACE2, AGM or CSE. Most of them are already being or have been considered for porting or a rewrite.
gray locust
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Fair enough.

fallow remnant
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well, AI can shoot accurately through the door of the small tin sheds on Tanoa, despite the door being closed

winged folio
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depends on how close you are and whether you fired a round

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"accurately" is pretty relative in this game. but they never make an error judging general directions.

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use a silenced weapon in bushes in fog at night and see what happens

fringe salmon
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Hello, I'm trying to set my Xbox360 gamepad into arma 3's bulldozer. Anytime I press one of the buttons after the configuration in the Zeus camera, I get errors in the RPT file.

10:20:05 Sound: Error: File: a3\ui_f\data\sound\onclick.wss not found !!!
10:21:10 Detected Joystick: Controller (XBOX 360 For Windows)
10:21:10     0 ... X Axis [1,30]
10:21:10     1 ... Y Axis [1,31]
10:21:10     2 ... Z Axis [1,32]
10:21:10     3 ... X Rotation [1,33]
10:21:10     4 ... Y Rotation [1,34]
10:21:11 Detected Joystick: Controller (XBOX 360 For Windows)
10:21:11     0 ... X Axis [1,30]
10:21:11     1 ... Y Axis [1,31]
10:21:11     2 ... Z Axis [1,32]
10:21:11     3 ... X Rotation [1,33]
10:21:11     4 ... Y Rotation [1,34]
10:21:15 Detected Joystick: Controller (XBOX 360 For Windows)
10:21:15     0 ... X Axis [1,30]
10:21:15     1 ... Y Axis [1,31]
10:21:15     2 ... Z Axis [1,32]
10:21:15     3 ... X Rotation [1,33]
10:21:15     4 ... Y Rotation [1,34]
10:21:15 Sound: Error: File: a3\ui_f\data\sound\onclick.wss not found !!!
10:21:44 Sound: Error: File: a3\ui_f\data\sound\onclick.wss not found !!!
10:23:35 Sound: Error: File: a3\ui_f\data\sound\onclick.wss not found !!!
10:23:45 Sound: Error: File: a3\ui_f\data\sound\onclick.wss not found !!!
10:24:20 Sound: Error: File: a3\ui_f\data\sound\onclick.wss not found !!!
10:24:41 Sound: Error: File: a3\ui_f\data\sound\onclick.wss not found !!!
10:24:42 Sound: Error: File: a3\ui_f\data\sound\onclick.wss not found !!!
10:25:01 Sound: Error: File: a3\ui_f\data\sound\onclick.wss not found !!!
10:25:01 Sound: Error: File: a3\ui_f\data\sound\onclick.wss not found !!!
10:25:02 Error in expression <};


if !(isnil {RscDisplayCurator_keys select _key}) exitwith {};

switch true >
10:25:02   Error position: <select _key}) exitwith {};

switch true >
10:25:02   Error Zero divisor```
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I don't know what these means

trim herald
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dose any one know when i join a br mach it kick me whin a few seconds

fringe salmon
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My Arma 3 is crashing a lot. 4 crashs or so in the last few days...

tiny imp
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@fringe salmon if you on MAIN stable branch binary then i suggest to update to #perf_prof_branch binary

lapis jungle
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@fringe salmon Where is that code called?

restive light
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help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! arma 3 dosnet start!

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i press lunch but nothing happened

restive light
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fixed

fringe salmon
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@lapis jungle It's not a code, it just happens whenever I try to move the Zeus camera with the Xbox360 controller.

winged folio
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hah

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that's nothing

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did you ever use some LBT6094's?

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the operator version's side pouch just eats your arm for breakfast.

young glade
wise barn
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you try to repack binarized files

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i guess

rocky dragon
#

where is best to ask about DSSign + addon keys

cobalt ginkgo
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ask away

wise barn
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Try to rename the zip file

fading sequoia
#

Replace the . maybe with something?

wise barn
#

You can rename the zip file to whatever you want. Like "ineverRTFM_tl-dr.zip" ;)

desert isle
#

^

fringe salmon
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subtle, @wise barn

wise barn
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;)

warm skiff
#

Why is it that this game has been out for years and light from street lamps still shine inside buildings?

shell cloak
#

Okay I have a very weird issue and do not really understand it. For some reason ARMA stops responding in different situations. These seem to coincide with my gpu hitting 80 degrees celcius.
However other games seem to be okay with this. In Elite, for example, the gpu hits and stays at 81 degrees with no issue what so ever.

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I should mention that this is a totally new issue. Weirdly enough since I installed Project Argo but this should not be related to the problem

fallow remnant
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@shell cloak raise fan speeds manually, prevent GPU from going till 80*C
Remove overclocks if any
try updating drivers
Run MSI Kombustor's stress tests, see what happens when you hit 80.

I encountered similar things (but not with Arma) when my old GTX 560 was overclocked and slightly overvolted.

cobalt ginkgo
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thats strange... arma never maxed out none of the gpus I had... ok only in menu and server browser but thats a bug cured with usage of vsync ( tries to max gpu in menu )

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asuming here that heavy load causes overheat... should not be game modes or difficulties related

hollow python
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halp

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pls

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i fucked up big

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flew too far off map on a server i rent

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cant login now

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fuck

shadow raft
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Delete your character from db?

shell cloak
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@fallow remnant Thanks. The GPU is not overclocked and I checked older and newer drives. No difference. Just cleaned by case up and will try again. It feels to me, like the GPU support for ARMA just shuts off. I mean, I can close the process with task manager because the OS still keeps running fine

fallow remnant
#

That's very curious. Which GPU is this?

shell cloak
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Geforce 760 GTX

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I mean if the gpu overheats than I would assume that the whole system shuts down

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thats why this is so strange to me

fallow remnant
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Nah not necessarily, these days either the GPU throttles back or the driver crashes

shell cloak
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okay. so that behaviour maybe a feature than. ๐Ÿ˜„ Drivers do not crash at least Win10 does not notify me about it

fallow remnant
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Ooh now I don't know about Win 10's behaviour.

shell cloak
#

than it looks like the GPU is throttled back to 0 which in turn makes ARMA not responsive

fallow remnant
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That...what do you mean throttled back to 0?

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0 what?

shell cloak
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well speaking of the msi afterburner monitor the GPU usage instantly goes back to normal OS levels

fallow remnant
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Ah, usage. Yes that does sound like a driver thing.

shell cloak
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it looks like the proces was terminated and the GPU is not used anymore

fallow remnant
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@tiny imp may have a performance binary for you, I can't think of anything except "raise fan speeds" or get an RMA on the card.

shell cloak
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RMA?

fallow remnant
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Because it does potentially sound like a hardware issue.

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Claim warranty

shell cloak
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ah okay. Was not familiar with that abbrevation

fallow remnant
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Sorry, it's not common outside the hardware world I think ๐Ÿ˜…

shell cloak
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okay now the process terminated already at 60 degrees

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maybe it is not an overheating issue

fallow remnant
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Yeah...check %localappdata%

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Like Run %localappdata%

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Go to Arma 3 folder, there will be a bunch of .rpt files

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Open in notepad, check the most recent file

shell cloak
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if you are hinting at the rpt, there are no uncommon things in there. Could it be a power issue like the gpu not getting enough power ?

fallow remnant
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Oh okay.

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Well the power thing shouldn't be exclusive to Arma, I would think.

shell cloak
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thats true. Needle in a haystack...

fallow remnant
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You sure there aren't any memory issues?

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They can express themselves weirdly

shell cloak
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you mean like a RAM failure of some kind?

fallow remnant
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Yeah

shell cloak
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hmm will run a stress test

fallow remnant
#

Yeah. Diagnosing hardware issues is so tedious...

shell cloak
#

Seems to be a RAM issue. Unplugging some of my RAM sticks (is that the term in English?) provided some stability

fallow remnant
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@shell cloak yeah RAM sticks is the term! :)

You could also try running memtest86+

frigid crow
#

How come sometimes when i host a server, i cant restart a mission?

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i have to reboot my entire game

lunar halo
#

anyone have any experience with A3Tools Object Builder not being able to launch?

sharp tinsel
#

@tiny imp : any quick fix for crashing to black on Exile servers? :koilAmazing:

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happens randomly

desert isle
#

Check with Exile Mod

hollow python
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tried to install some kind of jumpMF

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broke my server

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need help please

cobalt ginkgo
#

what is jumpMF?

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addon of some kind?

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judging by the image you are missing server keys on your server for CBA

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keys for allowed addons go to arma3server\keys folder and require server restart

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dont put there any keys of any addons you do not want to be ran by users

hollow python
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yea it was an addon to change the v vault key into a regular jump but obviously im a goof

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where do i find arma3server\keys folder

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im using ftp and havoc host

cobalt ginkgo
#

where do i find arma3server\keys folder
in the server root there is folder called KEYS, thats where you put bikey files

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for more details ask your host

hollow python
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i found it thanks

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so just adding the bikey file to that folder should fix my problem?

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I did just that and it still gives me same error x.x wellp broke the server again

cobalt ginkgo
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you must verify that you have the same version

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of the mods... like that you run the same version the server runs and install keys for those versions

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and must REBOOT server

hollow python
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how can i just remove what its asking me for

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alot of my server was set up by someone else and shown to me, I dont want to ruin what was already set up for me x.x

hollow python
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FML

cobalt ginkgo
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you can remove all the mods from your game... that is launch the game without mods and try to connect but if the server is running a mission with mods that wont work it will kick you for missing mods...

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that all is not a big deal really I just dont know anything about Exile and how databases work there, so I cant help you with that part

balmy cargo
#

Anyone have an idea about this? Wrong player index passed to NetworkObjectInfo::GetPlayerObjectInfo - max=0, received=1

long shadow
#

hey

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can anyone join a call with me and help me?

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i join a arma 3 server and it starts loading, but then stops 9/10 of the way and then says arma isnt responding. any help would be great

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can anyone help me?

serene grotto
#

Do you have that problem on every server or a specific one?

charred moss
#

Hi, I need help installing some mods in my gameserver arma 3 server please?

fringe salmon
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Funny way to fix jerky FPS. Change your cordless mouse (the one the signal can't reach the receiver properly) for a cord mouse ๐Ÿ˜› ๐Ÿ’ฉ ๐Ÿ‘Œ

blissful tartan
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I have having problems with GPU and CPU usage im only getting about 40% usage in both. I have a 5820k and a 970. My temps are fine as well and i have set to maximum preformance in Nvidia control panel i don't know what else to do.

serene grotto
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What are your in-game settings?

blissful tartan
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I use Nvidias recomended in geforece experience. Which is pretty much high everything

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And im running at 1080P

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If there is a specific setting you want to setting for just say it

serene grotto
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Nah, just making sure you hadn't turned anything down to low. How's your frame rate?

blissful tartan
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It depends.

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It usually hovers around 30ish but if i walk into a city it drops to shit like 8fps and i see my Gpu usage dop to about 3%.

fallow remnant
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SSD or HDD?
Vsync on or off?

blissful tartan
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Vsync on

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hhd

fallow remnant
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turn vsync off

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move it to an SSD if you can

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but yeah, turn vsync off first and foremost

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in the arma launcher there's also a parameter to enable hyperthreading, enable that as well.

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I don't know why Vsync is on by default, it was killing my frames before i realised what was happening

fallow remnant
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set object view distance to <= 3000, overall to <= 8000

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Then see how many FPS you got

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5820K has 12 threads, so 40% CPU usage = 4.8 threads => 4 cores + some hyperthreads, most likely.

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GPU is obviously being limited by Vsync

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Bump up everything to ultra

fringe salmon
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@blissful tartan There is a better way

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But ditch MSAA x8

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Set your over-sampling up to 150%

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Bypass MSAA all together

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It will make the GPU work harder

modern ibex
#

for some reason certain players dont see doors opening and closing, any ideas? for some it seems that players are just walking through the doors

fringe salmon
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Network related

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likely

modern ibex
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ok, any idea what I should change?

modern ibex
#

i was thinking my min send was wrong but everything is set to default so i dont see whats wrong

wraith hornet
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@modern ibex too much net communication, leaky functions with no private variables, server side scripts. There are many reason why you are experiencing it. Even so much as to say your GSP might be having network issues themselves....

modern ibex
#

is there any way to troubleshoot this?

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like see what is causing the issue?

karmic acorn
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There is

modern ibex
#

ok, how?

slim pebble
#

I'm having a random "no entry .model" error that's preventing servers from running missions. Mod line is cba, ace, acre, cup. From my guess, it would be something specific in cup causing it. Anyone else having issues?

fringe salmon
#

I need to restart the game to join another server because Arma 3 can't flush to hell the previous mission file:

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21:08:20 Flushing file C:\Users\Andre\AppData\Local\Arma 3\MPMissionsCache\BRPVP.stratis.pbo not possible - still open

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How can i fix that to everyone in world?

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Any help is apreciated.

modern ibex
#

currently using the mm buildings pack, it is the Australian buildings, pd/jail and some others, I realized that when cops open doors it only opens for the cops and not the civs. I understand that only coops are supposed to have the scroll option but the door doesn't animate for civs.

coral turtle
#

Anyway to fix the starting arma 3 with battle eye loop?

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I have a friend that I bought arma 3 for and when he first launched the game it asked about installing battle eye or something and he clicked no or cancel or something. And now everytime he launches the game and tries to connect to a server it tells him arma 3 needs to run with battleye and asks if he would like to restart with battleye running he clicks yes and it restarts and does the same thing over again. It's an infinite loop. He's not good at troubleshooting(what a noob lol) and all of the things that I have found didn't work. Reinstalled numerous times and even set a shortcut to launch arma 3 with battleye and it still doesn't work. Any help is appreciated.

serene grotto
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@coral turtle: Open the launcher -> BATTLEYE (on the left side) -> Is "Enable BattlEye" checked?

fringe salmon
#

Why most of the time i cant notify persons in Discord for cell phones?

fading sequoia
#

@fringe salmon you mean doing this or what? With phone you can just click the person's name and it's automatically added in the text field

fringe salmon
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@fading sequoia ah, nice... i was trying to write @... and the person never appears.

latent garden
#

Hey do you guys know how to fix the Steam is Offline error i keep getting in the launcher

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I know steam is online and when it launches the game, the process appears but does nothing
woops

desert isle
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Shut down steam completely and/or PC restart

fringe salmon
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@latent garden

latent garden
#

i've done this multiple times

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Every time it's just the same error

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i've also tried running in admin and installing redist files

desert isle
latent garden
#

yep

fringe salmon
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does it say what redist files you need?

latent garden
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the ones linked on the threads i visited and the ones on the FAQ

fringe salmon
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im asking what files it says you need

latent garden
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Framework 4.5.2 and Visual Studio 2013

fringe salmon
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do you need virtual c++ 2015 or something?

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oh

latent garden
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it doesen't say i need anything

fringe salmon
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huh

latent garden
#

let me try and unistall my workshop

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maybe some mods or update issues might be causing this

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i unistalled the workshop mods and it actually updated and fixed itself

desert isle
#

๐Ÿ‘

lean estuary
#

anyone have any experience with xcam?

#

so my question is how do i import like e76 roads into xcam.
it finds the rest of my mod packs but not e76 roads?

strange drift
lean estuary
#

@wheat nebula can you not see this

dense dawn
crisp dune
#

Anyone know how to not get kicked when using the CCG launcher

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i think its a problem with my exile mod because when i join a wastelands/sandbox game its fine

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but when i go for an Exile server, it takes forever to load then kicks me after showing a couple of "can't find" messages

desert isle
crisp dune
#

thanks!

fringe salmon
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I'm getting a lot of naked players. When i reconnect to the server or the naked player reconnect, the uniform appears.

strange drift
#

did you change the side limitation of clothing?

fringe salmon
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Believe the workaround fix is to remove & readd the uniform on the client when its encountered.
But that means you need to check that uniform on player is the same when checked server+clientside.

peak root
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Good Evening, guys. I have a memory leak : 18:58:48 Virtual memory total 4095 MB (4294836224 B)
18:58:48 Virtual memory free 153 MB (161120256 B)
18:58:48 Physical memory free 804 MB (843649024 B)
18:58:48 Page file free 4126 MB (4326621184 B)
18:58:48 Process working set 2562 MB (2687004672 B)
18:58:48 Process page file used 3350 MB (3513356288 B)
18:58:48 Longest free VM region: 13213696 B
18:58:48 VM busy 4133781504 B (reserved 209059840 B, committed 3924721664 B, mapped 308817920 B), free 161054720 B
18:58:48 Small mapped regions: 24, size 102400 B And I am not certain how to proceed. We are getting 20 - 30 lines of Server: Object 42:1 not found (message Type_93) per second. In a few hours, we have over a hundred thousand lines of the nonsense. Any thoughts?

strange drift
peak root
#

Thanks.

jaunty badger
#

Anyone else unable to use weapons and action menu in devversion?

peak sparrow
#

Windows gives me an OOM warning after 45 minites of multiplayer gameplay when I am streaming. 30 minutes later the game would freeze with a black screen. I have to kill arma3.exe.

shrewd kayak
jaunty badger
#

Yes. It's a Windows application error.

shrewd kayak
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Gee, thanks

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I've been getting a lot of different errors lately, that's just the one that sticks out

jaunty badger
#

Probably the mods you're running

shrewd kayak
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that was what I was afraid of

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oh well, thanks anyway

jaunty badger
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1.64 ? Using perf binaries?

shrewd kayak
#

yep

jaunty badger
#

Could also be crash from those. Try stable

shrewd kayak
#

hmm

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I got the same on stable, but i'll give it another try

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hope it's not my ram

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that would suck

jaunty badger
#

If you get this error on stable and without mods, then the only thing you can do is to report it on the feedback tracker with crash dump and all tha

fallow remnant
#

okay so this is the second time when we've been playing on Tanoa, third or fourth mission in a 4 hour session

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And the fps has fallen to sub 10 fps for ALL the clients

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and server's been on 49-50 fps

#

Couldn't figure out any obvious reason so far

#

Still exploring things

fringe salmon
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@strange drift @fringe salmon thanks. It's a mission only, so everything about uniforms are default. I heard about this bug many months ago. it's still there. Remove and wear again solves. Check to fix that should be hard, since one player from 50 could be seen another player naked, and the others 49, not.

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Also, you can't remove the uniform as a container and readd it as a container. addUniform uses a string, so you need to reconstruct the uniform + items after log it items and remove it. Don't worth.

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All the addItems, addMagazine, removes and adds should generate network traffic.

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Will be fixed on those BI "weeks of fix".

fringe salmon
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If you want to get something fixed need to figure away to replicate the issue + submit feedback issue. Plently of other arma bugs to fix.
But yeah you need to remove + add the container items. Annoying to code, but it can be done.

gritty crypt
#

Hey, trying to help a buddy with connection problems in Arma

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He can connect to Arma 3 servers, yet after being in about 2 minutes, he's kicked due a to steam ticket check.

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He has strong connection, legit copy of Arma 3, no problems in any other game.

#

I've tried changing mallocs, reinstalling Battleeye, verifying cache, reinstalling the game overall, and so on and so forth... Any tips would be appreciated.

fallow remnant
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@gritty crypt check %localappdata%/Arma 3/ , and scroll through the latest .rpt file. may have a clue.

mighty fjord
#

greetings why is this not working its suppose to disable fall damage since am using an exoskeleton mod

nolandDamage = {_damage = 0;
if((_this select 4) != "") then{_damage = _this select 2;
};_damage};
{ _x addEventHandler ["HandleDamage", { _this call nolandDamage }];
} foreach (units (group player));

fringe salmon
#

does anyone know how to get old mission files into new editor ??

rich yoke
#

Have you tried opening it from the Eden editor? If it's using the old format the name of the mission will be grayed out, but if you select it you should get an option to import it to the new format

fringe salmon
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i import it, but then the map is blank

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no units or markers

rich yoke
#

@fringe salmon You could try opening the SQM in notepad, or another text editing program, and try changing one of the units to be player="PLAYER COMMANDER"; from player="PLAY CDG";

balmy cargo
#

anyone got an idea about my buldozer crashing AFTER it loads objects/surface materials, etc, it just freezes once at the end of that process, whatever one it is, I've tried verifying integrity, reinstalling buldozer from a friends working version and reexecuting buldozerconfigurator.exe

balmy cargo
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It finishes its final stage (if I hide object that's surface materials) and then it goes not responding

fallow remnant
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@fringe salmon
If for some reason Pennyworth's method sounds difficult/you're unable to get that work/something else:

pressing Ctrl + O from the mission slect screen should open up the 2D editor, then open the mission and make one unit "player". Save and then open from 3D editor.

balmy cargo
#

anyone got an idea about my buldozer crashing AFTER it loads objects/surface materials, etc, it just freezes once at the end of that process, whatever one it is, I've tried verifying integrity, reinstalling buldozer from a friends working version and reexecuting buldozerconfigurator.exe
It finishes its final stage (if I hide object that's surface materials) and then it goes not responding

#

Anyone got an idea?

#

the final part of the RPT log says 'No World Found' however if I have objects in it says this and then continues to load so I can't see a problem there

#

however other maps work fine and still get that issue

#

It goes not responding at this line: 21:41:49 No world found

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OK, NOW IT SPAWNS IN BUT ICANT MOVE

faint dawn
#

THIS IS PRETTY BAD!!11oneoneeleven

fringe salmon
#

STOP SCREAMING FFS!

fringe salmon
#

Why is it so loud in here? leaves room

serene grotto
#

@dreamy canopy: What's going on with your video settings & ace?

balmy cargo
#

Anyone got an idea why it won't let me move in buldozer?
22:07:02 No more slot to add connection at Fc29 (6763.5,3863.9)
got that error

rich yoke
#

When I had that issue running buldozer configurator again, applying the configuration, and then installing buldozer again fixed it

balmy cargo
astral harbor
#

anyone online that can help me?

serene grotto
#

Ask. It may take a bit, but someone will answer.

fallow remnant
#

^

balmy cargo
#

@serene grotto Not really

serene grotto
#

Other than rechecking your steam files, nope.

fringe salmon
#

@balmy cargo Check windows event viewer

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delete the ClientRegistry.blob

serene grotto
#

@balmy cargo

balmy cargo
#

I fixed it after about 5 hours of attempting

dreamy canopy
#

hello, tonight my problem is: server does not seem to have loaded CUP correctly, or something. According to server log, all is good with the loaded mods. yet, when i have items from CUP on th emap, or want to add thmen through MCC, that wont work. the serverlog looks like the mod has in fact not been loaded

#
15:08:57 Admin logged in, player: Fetzen
15:12:19 Cannot create non-ai vehicle CUP_I_SUV_Armored_ION,```
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does anyone have an idea what to do about this?

dreamy canopy
#

the above is what comes out if i am alrady in a mission and try to spawn one of those items

#

here is what happens shwne i already have such items in the mission map as start it

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14:31:42 Warning Message: mpmissions\CommonMods_Basic.Tanoa\mission.sqm/Mission/Entities/Item26.type: Vehicle class CUP_B_Jackal2_GMG_GB_W no longer exists
14:31:42 Missing addons detected:
14:31:42   CUP_WheeledVehicles_Coyote
14:31:42   CUP_WheeledVehicles_Jackal
14:31:42 Warning Message: You cannot play/edit this mission; it is dependent on downloadable content that has been deleted.CUP_WheeledVehicles_Coyote, CUP_WheeledVehicles_Jackal```
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so basically same messages that i would get if i was trying to launch this offline without the right mod loaded

serene grotto
#

FYI, if you put ``` around your code, it will display as a
block.

dreamy canopy
#

like 'so ' ?

fringe salmon
#

@dreamy canopy look at the warning message & edit your mission.sqm required addons

dreamy canopy
#

hm

serene grotto
#

One will do code. Three will do code block

dreamy canopy
#

'bla

#

'''bla

#

what?

serene grotto
#

You need it on each side, front and back

dreamy canopy
#

'of course'

serene grotto
#

Use the tilde, not the single quote

dreamy canopy
#

'''hrm'''

#

wtf

serene grotto
#

This: `, Not: '

dreamy canopy
#

ยดahยด

#

how many of these little `basterdsยด are there?

#

i not french

serene grotto
#

๐Ÿ˜›

dreamy canopy
#

'ยด 'ยด

#

alright its in there somewhere

serene grotto
#

You can also edit previous posts by hitting the up arrow key

dreamy canopy
#

this

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haha not exactly a convenient choice

#

ok got it i guess

fringe salmon
#

check the mission.sqm @dreamy canopy

dreamy canopy
#

what is with it? and how do i check it?

#

i mean im using a map from my editor, not much placed there, except a few baic units and zeus ace mcc modules

#

when i have CUP vehicles, or units i believe, then i get errors as if the mods were not installed on the server

#

if i start a map without any CUP on it, thats fine. but if i then want to spawn any of those things from script or any tool in game the server log shows that these objects are not available

#

MCC shows me these things thogh, i.e. the ION units, but if i want to spawn i.e. the armored suv, it says

15:08:57 Admin logged in, player: Fetzen
15:12:19 Cannot create non-ai vehicle CUP_I_SUV_Armored_ION,```
(edited)
#

did a fresh install of the server but this is still there

#

could send you through my server startup files, just to check if you see anything obvious there. according to serverlog and the files i see on the server, everything is as it should be...

dreamy canopy
#

@GeekyGuy5401#9206 what should i look for in the mission sqm?

#

yep it seems that i have that issue with the complete cup 1.8 stuff.

#

cant say if that problem was there before the update really, because i didnt have the server set up then

#

cup maps works

#

all other mods work, and i have quite a list

#

running on a linux server... maybe ill check there as well..

dreamy canopy
#

Its the thing with case sensitivity i suppose... figuring it out step by step ^^

dreamy canopy
#

Thats what it was. All good now

faint oriole
#

I don't know why, but the steam workshop is downloading double copies of my mods after a restart of my computer. My arma 3 is in my "C:\Games\Steamgames\steamapps... folder. It's my default steam library. Steam is installed in "C:\Programs\Steam".

What happens is I'll install steam workshop mods, and then they'll download to the "C:\Programs...." workshop folder. Everything then works fine. But after I restart my computer, Steam starts downloading the mods AGAIN, but this time into my "C:\Games\Steam Games... folder.

I can't stop it. Even after complete uninstall of Steam, where I uninstall the program and delete all remaining folders manually, and then reinstall, I'll get the same behavior.

Is anyone else seeing this? This shouldn't be happening, and as far as I know, this wasn't happening before.

fringe salmon
#

@faint oriole Well, it doesn't download nor store it twice. There are only two different paths to the same files.

faint oriole
#

Right, that's how it is supposed to work, but the bug I was getting caused me to actually have 2 copies of the mods. I could see it taking double the space on my hard drive. I'm not talking about the !Workshop folder, which I know is just a symlink folder.

Basically I had one copy in one of my steam libraries (C:\Programs\Steam\steamapps\workshop), and one in the other (C:\Games\Steam Games\steamapps\workshop).

I'm thinking this may have been caused by trying to move my steam workshop mods from a previous Windows installation, and I may have moved them improperly. I have been able to fix it by deleting all of the files of the duplicate installation (which was in my C:\Programs\Steam... library), and after a restart of my computer they aren't coming back. Really strange bug, however.

fallow remnant
#

Workshop is a bit fucky

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It downloads once and copies sometime (if your steam mod folder isn't default, for example).

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For me it used to cache the files? Or something - in the workshop folder, and then copy the files to the steam mod folder i had set

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So i just leave it on defaults now, and don't mess with mods downloaded from steam

cobalt ginkgo
forest pecan
#

Hey guys, has anyone else had trouble with creating simple objects in a multiplayer environment from custom p3d models?

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With multiple different attempts I've had multiple players just randomly kicked with no kick reason

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it's just "Player was kicked off"

fallow remnant
#

Dumb question but do they also have those models?

cobalt ginkgo
#

if its a part of a mod and those obejct are not preplaced on the map, then mission will not require that mod, and if you spawn some object trough the script and player does not have that mod he will simply not be able to see it at all

silent shore
#

zeus is not working for me, when it says loading mission information, it's always at 0KB/0KB and doesn't load.

forest pecan
#

The model and it's textures are in the mission file

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The players see the model and it spawns in just fine

#

But they're kicked during the game seemingly at random, with nothing in the logs of client or server to indicate why

#

A suspicion is that there may be an issue with using attachTo with simple objects

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Or attachTo with custom content that other players might not have?

#

It's very difficult to debug

coral oyster
#

hi
has anyone had an experience where there no sound in arma. ive rechecked and reinstalled arma but nothing works. no mods installed or used

tiny current
#

Hey Guys, need help with my custom difficulty. just set the profiles path and the name in the startparameters. then i edited my .Arma3Profile and saved it. Then i set the difficulty in my config to Custom but it wont work.
Here my .Arma3Profile:

version=1;
blood=1;
singleVoice=0;
gamma=1;
brightness=1;
maxSamplesPlayed=96;
difficulty="Custom";
class CfgDifficultyPresets
{
    defaultPreset="Custom";
    myArmorCoef=1.5;
    groupArmorCoef=1.5;
    fadeDistanceStart=40;
    fadeDistanceSpan=10;
    recoilCoef=1;
    visionAidCoef=0.80000001;
    divingLimitMultiplier=1;
    animSpeedCoef=0;
    cancelThreshold=0;
    showCadetHints=1;
    showCadetWP=1;
    class CustomDifficulty
    {
        class Options
        {
            reducedDamage=0;
            groupIndicators=1;
            friendlyTags=1;
            enemyTags=0;
            detectedMines=0;
            commands=1;
            waypoints=1;
            weaponInfo=2;
            stanceIndicator=2;
            staminaBar=0;
            weaponCrosshair=1;
            visionAid=1;
            squadRadar=0;
            thirdPersonView=1;
            cameraShake=1;
            scoreTable=1;
            deathMessages=1;
            vonID=1;
            mapContent=0;
            autoReport=0;
            multipleSaves=0;
        };
        aiLevelPreset=3;
    };
    class CustomAILevel
    {
        skillAI=0.5;
        precisionAI=0.5;
    };
};
sceneComplexity=400000;
shadowZDistance=100;
viewDistance=1000;
preferredObjectViewDistance=800;
terrainGrid=40;
volumeCD=10;
volumeFX=10;
volumeSpeech=10;
volumeVoN=10;
vonRecThreshold=0.029999999;

Problem: The server dont use these settings

fringe hamlet
#

The following is what I use in my .Arma3Profile:

version=1;
blood=1;
singleVoice=0;
gamma=1;
brightness=1;
difficulty="Custom";
class DifficultyPresets
{
    class CustomDifficulty
    {
        class Options
        {
            groupIndicators=2;
            friendlyTags=2;
            enemyTags=1;
            detectedMines=1;
            commands=1;
            waypoints=2;
            weaponInfo=1;
            stanceIndicator=1;
            reducedDamage=0;
            staminaBar=1;
            weaponCrosshair=1;
            visionAid=0;
            thirdPersonView=1;
            cameraShake=1;
            scoreTable=1;
            deathMessages=1;
            vonID=1;
            mapContent=1;
            autoReport=1;
            multipleSaves=0;
        };
        aiLevelPreset=1;
    };
    class CustomAILevel
    {
        skillAI=0.60000002;
        precisionAI=0.40000001;
    };
};
maxSamplesPlayed=96;
sceneComplexity=1000000;
shadowZDistance=100;
viewDistance=2000;
preferredObjectViewDistance=2000;
terrainGrid=3.125;
volumeCD=10;
volumeFX=10;
volumeSpeech=10;
volumeVoN=10;
vonRecThreshold=0.029999999;

Try that and let me know if it works for you, @tiny current. You will need to adjust the parameters (e.g. groupIndicators) for it to match yours.

tiny current
#

@fringe hamlet Where i can add these two lines ?

fadeDistanceStart=40;
fadeDistanceSpan=10;
fringe hamlet
#

Not in the .Arma3Profile file.

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Difficulty_Menu#Configuration

Please note, that the following information applies to the config in game's data (namely data_f.pbo) not to the profile. For profile related information please refer to this page. Since Arma 3 1.58 the game's config uses CfgDifficultyPresets class. The former CfgDifficulties is now obsolete and was left in the config only not to break scripts that might have used it.
tiny current
#

oh okay thanks

latent gust
prisma gorge
#

Hey, I am trying to publish our Arma3 Mod to the steam workshop with PublisherCmd but it keeps crashing with the following message: "Errors occured while publishing: Object reference not set to an instance of an object." Anyone knows the problem and what to do to fix it?

fringe salmon
#

@prisma gorge What version of the tool do you use?

prisma gorge
#

@fringe salmon afaik the newes one, should be 0.9.0.0

fringe salmon
#

Do you have DLLs in the mod folder?

prisma gorge
#

yes sir

fringe salmon
prisma gorge
#

ok thanks i will take a look at it

#

@fringe salmon Thanks a lot, its working now! ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

thorny bobcat
rich yoke
#

Maybe try connecting to some other servers, mainly empty ones and ones with low ping. Have you also tried disabling antivirus? It might be fighting battleye while it's trying to scan the signatures of files.

mortal ledge
#

Hey, just dropping a message here: Has anyone had issues with their Xbox 360 controller not functioning properly in ARMA 3? I used to have no issues, but since a month or two ago; the deadzones are ignored. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling Arma 3, disabling all mods and resetting the bindings. I really need a solution on this one, as I am a CAS A-10 pilot for my team and I can't fly with 0 deadzone. The pre-defined scheme amazingly has a working deadzone, but you can't actually change the bindings which is bad.

fallow remnant
#

@mortal ledge yes last update broke controllers, should be fixed in current dev/RC branches and next patch

zenith anvil
#

Not sure of the appropriate location to put this issue, but currently our server is being spammed with about 1.5million lines of
20:54:00 Error in expression <>
20:54:00 Error position: <>
20:54:00 Error Reserved variable in expression
in the space of 15 minutes during mission start. We're running several mods but I'm wondering if anyone has a good place to start for troubleshooting this issue? - We're also using a Homemade Mission Framework.

jaunty badger
#

you cannot use setVariable ["",

#

check your scripts for that

#

if you dynamically generate variable names, then maybe a script bugs out and names them ""

wise haven
#

@thorny bobcat Is there other people playing arma on the same network?

thorny bobcat
#

@wise haven NO

fringe salmon
#

Hello guys

#

I'm having troubles finding a specific server

#

My friends are connected to it but I can't see it

#

I also can't see the server in the "friends" tab.

#

I can see other servers but the one I'm trying to join

desert isle
#

Have you tried filtering?

#

Or try connecting direct to the ip

fringe salmon
#

yes, both didn't work

#

Also when I'm trying to view the game info of one of my friends it says "server is not responding"

desert isle
#
Bohemia Interactive Forums

Page 1 of 3 - "Cant connect to server." via "Host your own session" - posted in ARMA 3 - TROUBLESHOOTING: Hi guys,I can't connect on my friends server. If he or I hosts our own session the other one can't join.This problem appeared since the last patch. I can't join his session and he can't join my session.We tried -to open ports for Arma 3 (2302-2305 UDP/TCP) and for Steam (27000-27050 UDP/TCP). It still doesn't work.-to run with admin-also tested with...

fringe salmon
#

Yes, kinda. But the server is dedicated and I can't view the game info

fringe salmon
#

Anyone?

fringe salmon
#

Is your router set to static by any chance?

fringe salmon
#

@fringe salmon hm how can I know that?

#

Restart your router.
Check your external IP address again, and compare it. If it has changed, you have a dynamic external IP address. If it has not changed, you may have a static IP address.

#

and if it is static I need to chagne it?

#

My router is static

fringe salmon
#

anyone help please

rich yoke
#

This is a lesson on why not to spam multiple channels. You figured it out in a couple of minutes but now you are going to get answers in 5 different channels because people don't know the issue is fixed.

desert isle
#

You weren't exaggerating, 5!

#

nope, looks like 6 now

fringe salmon
#

I actually figured it out this morning, I'll leave you to figure this out

rose yew
#

Did onPlayerKilled get changed in 1.66?

#

ping @tiny imp

desert isle
#

Did you read the changelog?

desert isle
rose yew
#

@desert isle "fixed" ... the onPlayerKilled function of CfgRespawnTemplates is not invoked anymore when the player dies :/

grand cipher
#

Anyone else have issues shooting a gun?

rose yew
#

@grand cipher Kind of, yes.

rose yew
#

@tiny imp Status on perf0?

rose yew
#

Or maybe there will be a hotfix?

grand cipher
#

for anyone that is having issues shooting, redo the arma 2 controls presets (if you're using arma 3, then i don't know what's wrong) resetting the presets to arma 2 presets fixed my shooting issue.

jaunty badger
#

this no longer works. it always takes priority over "fire weapon" now, when previously that was only the case when the menu is shown

#

A2 style LMB for selected-action + fire-weapon is broken

#

I hope this gets fixed

grand cipher
#

@jaunty badger +1 i have the issue aswell.

jaunty badger
#

I rebound use-selected-action to ctrl+LMB in the mean time

grand cipher
#

i just press space, it's going to be hard to get used to until it's fixed.

jaunty badger
#

inacceptable. have to script work around

#

intercept + autohotkey or something like that

toxic horizon
#

I can't start my game after the new patch, with my Modpack. ? Is just come up with a crash error? I have some exile mods in my modpack

desert isle
#

Exile made a post about that.

toxic horizon
#

@desert isle Did they made a post about to fix it
?

desert isle
fringe salmon
#

Does anyone understand how this can happen?

#

Warning Message: You cannot play/edit this mission; it is dependent on downloadable content that has been deleted.
a3_characters_f

#

how can I be missing default content?

jaunty badger
#

steam verify game

fringe salmon
#

already did

jaunty badger
#

try without mods

fringe salmon
#

it doesn't seem to make a difference

#

the problem is actually with a server and happens when I start a server, before a mission is even voted for

#

but it does thate that it loads the pbo "addons\characters_f.pbo - 107558"

fringe salmon
#

Somehow the server gets stuck on " 0:35:51 MovesType CfgMovesMaleSdr load time 4514 ms"

#

after that there are just no more messages and the server doesn't show up

fringe hamlet
#

I've noticed the same issue as @Alkali#5365 when I initially switched to 1.66 RC.
@GeekyGuy5401#9206 vigorously helped me to troubleshoot it in #dev_rc_branch.
In short, the cause of the issue is still unknown and there's no known resolution.

#

@fringe salmon and @fringe salmon โ˜

onyx glacier
#

devs, your update broke addon maker!!

dreamy canopy
#

ok, so today i have the following trouble:

#

I have 2 misions ion the server. both ahave pretty much the same setup, just 2 different maps.

#

so i start the first one, tanoa, everyhing is good

#

i start the second, takistan, but i end up seeing the takistan loading screen, i get a takistan unit, markers apparently spawn along the sreets where takistan streets should be, but i am on Tanoa

#

how is that possible?

#

some sort of screwed up cache?

#

also, if i restart the server right after that, even after deleting the tanoa mission from the server. i end up on tanoa, when starting the takstan map

#

on the other hand, the tanoa map seems to work flawless.

#

the takistan map seems to have all sorts of issues now, but cant tell where those might come from. as i said, its the same setup

#

taksitan map has issues on the server only. works fine if i start it from my laptop

dreamy canopy
#

ya now i have everything from tanoa jumping around on takistan. this is really weird. doesnt seem to be possible to switch missions without buggyness

#

also i have a 'pipe error 6' buttom right of the screen

dreamy canopy
#

can anybody help wit this. even when i restart the server with takistan mission, it gives me tanoa now. if i ope it in the editor, all is well

#

looks like its a problem with my client. when starting a new mission on the server it does not load the new map

#

i have to leave the server jump to editor, load the map empty, exit the editor and jump back on the server

#

seems like my game always uses the map that is also visible in the intro screen of arma basically

#

which changes when i have used a different map

fallow remnant
#

have you tried another vanilla map?

frozen beacon
#

anyone else played tanoa since last patch? Started getting this 3 fps bug and DX11 texture/memory crashes frequently

fallow remnant
#

i noticed some more stuttering but won't play a full MP session till tomorrow, so can't say

desert isle
#

No problems in SP vanilla today

next creek
#

game lags everytime i join a server

#

pc specs Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-3250 CPU @ 3.50GHz

#

GeForce GTX 750 Ti

fringe salmon
#

Not sure about anyone else, but can anyone else get Tactical ping to work?

desert isle
#

Lots of questions to be asked of a statement like that. Do you have a baseline that you can compare it to? Are you joining the same servers each time and are they public or private. Where are they located in relation to your location. Are you joining servers with lots of players? Are you running vanilla (no community made mods) or with mods/add ons? Each of those questions will affect your experience.

#

I've not tried it yet Garrett

fringe salmon
#

Figured I would give it a try today and tried it in a mp match along with in the editor with no success.

#

May have just figured it out. It is in the difficulty settings. Was disabled.

desert isle
#

Always good when it's something simple

bronze gazelle
#

After update i cant play on altis, stratis regular servers. error requesting session on loadpicture. ranked regular altis, hc altis is normal

low tartan
#

hey -FM-

#

are you there good sir ?

next creek
#

everytime for the past 2 hours it always sesion is lost!

fringe salmon
#

I still get this error on my dedicated server even after addind a3_characters_f to my mission.sqm:

#

"Warning Message: You cannot play/edit this mission; it is dependent on downloadable content that has been deleted.
a3_characters_f"

desert isle
#

@low tartan Did you have a question?

low tartan
#

i need to know how setup Ryan's zombies for exile

wise barn
#

@low tartan
you better ask Ryan on the forums or check the Exile forums. i think they are more experienced

low tartan
#

where di find it at?

fringe hamlet
wise barn
desert isle
#

^^ ๐Ÿ˜‰

wise barn
desert isle
#

The funny thing is I don't consider them dumb questions, I consider them naivety and a result of the "do everything for me generation". The amount of people that don't know how to do proper searches shocks me. Too many people don't understand how " " , + - AND OR work within search parameters.

fringe hamlet
wise barn
#

The amount of people that don't know how to do proper searches shocks me. Too many people don't understand how " " , + - AND OR work within search parameters.
that is not the shocking thing... the most shocking thing is that most ppl theres days don't even know how to find a search site in the first place

faint dawn
#

Most shocking thing is: Most ppl are just to fkn lazy/dumb to search/think for themselves!

desert isle
#

^

#

I'm going to have my 1st cofffee and read Der Speigel

fringe hamlet
#

It is usually said best when it is bluntly said by @faint dawn.

faint dawn
#

I know, i am the best.

#

๐Ÿ˜„

wise barn
#

you think you know ๐Ÿ˜‰

#

๐Ÿ˜›

faint dawn
#

@wise barn ... you....

#

you deserve it!

#

๐Ÿ˜„

desert isle
#

I'm not really going to read Der Speigel, it just says "bratwurst bratwurst schnitzel" to me ๐Ÿ˜‰

faint dawn
#

shaddap! I am hungry

fringe hamlet
#

I like those sounds.

faint dawn
#

afk, Breakfast... -.- fu @desert isle

wise barn
#

LOL

desert isle
#

willkommen

desert isle
#

@low tartan Since its early and no one has annoyed me in depth yet I'll share this with you. https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2466433?hl=en

So, a search for 'Arma tanks' may look like Arma, tanks or "Arma" "tanks" or "Arma vehicles" -truck -planes -boats -cars +armor

So, in the case of Exile, a simple 2 word search of arma, exile returns as the first result w w w .exilemod. c o m

faint dawn
#

Wasn't "This Text here" searching for a quote?

desert isle
#

thats looking for that specific text.

faint dawn
#

Yeah

desert isle
#

"In the Beginning"

faint dawn
#

So " 'arme, exile' " would search for "arme, exile" then

#

Instead of a simple Arma Exile or A3 Exile

#

Anyway, at least opening Google.com and not typing what you are searching for as sentence -> Mayor improvement ๐Ÿ˜„

desert isle
#

yup, moved to desktop and fixed it.

faint dawn
#
  • i think "," is not needed when searching for multiple words
desert isle
#

it add specific words to a search

faint dawn
#

It searches for every containing word THEN giving you those, who lack a few words (but giving you an Info below the answer)

#

(i never used , thats why i am wondering =} )

desert isle
#

boob -breast and boob +breast give 2 very different results ๐Ÿ˜‰

faint dawn
#

^^

fringe hamlet
#

turns safe search on

faint dawn
#

not talking about - and +!!1

#

lol

jaunty badger
#

- is the operator to filter a word, I don't think + does anything?

faint dawn
#

There WAS a time where + was used

#

But that must be... idk... about Win98 times? ๐Ÿ˜„

jaunty badger
#

Yeah. I think it's the same as and. It's now replaced by just putting spaces between the individual words

#

I wish we still had the option to explicitly having to write + for multiple words. The quote marks can be annoying when searching for phrases

#

Although I'm pretty sure the google algorithm takes word order into account.

faint dawn
#

"I want to search for this textpart" <- afaik thats how you search for quotes

#

So a complete Search
Dscha "I want to search for this textpart" 2016

#

for example

jaunty badger
#

The quote marks can be annoying
Yes

next creek
#

i cant' join any servers....

jaunty badger
#

Tried turning on your modem?

next creek
#

are you serouis?

faint dawn
#

Tried turning it off and on again?

jaunty badger
#

are you serouis?
Well it won't work without internet access

#

Maybe you should be more specific?

faint dawn
#

Translated: If you can't say anything specific, nobody can help you.

next creek
#

IT SAYS

#

session lost

#

for the past 4 hours

faint dawn
#

Thats bad.

fringe hamlet
#

โ˜

faint dawn
#

๐Ÿ‘

jaunty badger
#

session lost
I can confirm. You cannot connect to the server.

faint dawn
#

Where are you trying to connect? Are Mods involved? Did it worked before?

next creek
#

fuck off

faint dawn
#

No thank you.

jaunty badger
#

xD

faint dawn
#

๐Ÿ˜„

next creek
#

you guys are giving no adivce

faint dawn
#

You give us no Info

jaunty badger
#

you're giving no details

next creek
#

I JOIN SERVER

#

LAGS

faint dawn
#

Uh, lags, something new.

next creek
#

SAY SESSION LOST

jaunty badger
#

Check router / firewall for ports

faint dawn
#

Can you join ingame? Or just Lobby? What do you see? Did you answered my Questions before?

next creek
#

ingame...

faint dawn
#

Uh, another new Info that might be usefull.

#

Next try: How long are you able to be ingame?

next creek
#

a min

faint dawn
#

Look! ANOTHER usefull information.

#

Now answer the Questions i asked you before (mod etc)

next creek
#

i wanna talk to someone else your just mocking me

faint dawn
#

Again: You just don't give any information

#

We have to ask for every fkn short piece of crap

#

So what do you expect? Taking out our glassbowl and look into it?

next creek
#

when i jion a server gamein it lags me out crashes me game

#

SESSION LOST

#

5 diffirent servers

faint dawn
#

So now the game crashes or just loosing Con?

fringe hamlet
#

โ˜

next creek
#

it crashes if i loss session!

#

@fringe hamlet fucking stop

jaunty badger
#

that makes no sense.

#

you either lose connection or you crash to desktop

fringe hamlet
next creek
#

im fucking done

faint dawn
#

lol

fringe hamlet
#

Good. My blood pressure was about to spike.

desert isle
#

@next creek LISTEN UP! I posted the following when you first asked the question :
Lots of questions to be asked of a statement like that. Do you have a baseline that you can compare it to? Are you joining the same servers each time and are they public or private. Where are they located in relation to your location. Are you joining servers with lots of players? Are you running vanilla (no community made mods) or with mods/add ons? Each of those questions will affect your experience.

next creek
#

@fringe hamlet screw off

faint dawn
#

sush, not so unpolite

desert isle
#

You still haven't replied with a comprehensive answer.

jaunty badger
#

You have to be 16 to play this game

desert isle
#

How then do you expect anyone to help you?

faint dawn
#

โ˜

next creek
#

keep mocking me

faint dawn
#

Then just answer.

next creek
#

not talking to asshole mods

faint dawn
#

You want help, you don't give infos, unless we ask about absolutely everything.

next creek
#

or vesterns

faint dawn
#

tztztz

fringe hamlet
#

If I was to ask a genuine question it would be: "Can you play other multiplayer games without issue?"

next creek
#

i told u

#

it says session lost!

jaunty badger
#

You are a troll.

next creek
#

wtf else do u want?

faint dawn
#

Must be or dumb.

desert isle
#

I've asked "genuine questions" and he chooses not to reply .

faint dawn
#

Yep

jaunty badger
#

You did.

faint dawn
#

โ˜

#

(i start to like that one, gj @fringe hamlet )

fringe hamlet
#

((("genuine questions")))

next creek
#

mods ignore why theres assholes mock me

jaunty badger
#

Lots of questions to be asked of a statement like that. Do you have a baseline that you can compare it to? Are you joining the same servers each time and are they public or private. Where are they located in relation to your location. Are you joining servers with lots of players? Are you running vanilla (no community made mods) or with mods/add ons? Each of those questions will affect your experience.

pretty genuine

faint dawn
#

Dscha - Today at 11:29 AM
Where are you trying to connect? Are Mods involved? Did it worked before?```
next creek
#

coop servers!

faint dawn
#

All the questions, no answers.

next creek
#

no mods!

desert isle
#

When you ask a question, then ignore a genuine response in which someone is offering help, then use profanity repeatedly (while still ignoring attempts to help), what more do you expect?

next creek
#

they called me a troll becuase i dont' know how the game works?

#

tahts nice

#

to a new player

fringe hamlet
next creek
#

thanks

faint dawn
#

We called you troll because you just didn't replied to answers.

desert isle
#

^

next creek
#

i just told u!

faint dawn
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Or just gave ANY USABLE ANSWER TO START WITH

next creek
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coop servers!
no mods

faint dawn
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Yeah, after 10min

next creek
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5 servers

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lost sessoin

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had old driver update...

faint dawn
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And again:
Did it worked before?

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last time i ask a q...

next creek
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what u mean before...

jaunty badger
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previously

next creek
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i got the game yesterday

faint dawn
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oh my... Okay:
Were you able to connect to any server before that?

jaunty badger
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so no. thanks

next creek
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i was on on server for 2 hours

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i left

desert isle
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Have you heard the phrase "it's like pulling teeth"?

next creek
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came back cant' jion anymore

jaunty badger
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So it did work before after all.

faint dawn
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So it worked before. Were there any other ppl on the Server?

next creek
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40

faint dawn
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Whats your bandwith?

next creek
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if u call work yesterday for 2 horus work...

faint dawn
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(Upload)

next creek
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only singlerplayer doens't lag

faint dawn
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+Check if you have your full bandwidth.

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What?

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Nah, i am out

desert isle
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What did you do while you were on the server? How far away was the server? See, we're going back to the very first questions that you ignored in the first place.

faint dawn
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drops the mic

fringe hamlet
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only singlerplayer doens't lag
Classic Arma.

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๐Ÿ– ๐ŸŽค @faint dawn ?

next creek
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screw off....

desert isle
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Single player won't lag because it's not a multiplayer environment

next creek
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its not my pc then...

faint dawn
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oisdo9g0รผbaesgraewb t54e+

next creek
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i ge 300 ping...

faint dawn
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... Still no answer...

Dscha - Today at 11:43 AM
Whats your bandwith?

Dscha - Today at 11:43 AM
(Upload)
+Check if you have your full bandwidth.

next creek
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2 MB

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SPEED

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200 KB/S

faint dawn
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Upload?

next creek
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lower then 200..

fringe hamlet
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Faster than mine either way.

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ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

next creek
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@fringe hamlet YOUR NOT HELPING GO AWAY

desert isle
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@next creek Come back when you've learned how to interact with others and can answer simple questions so that others may assist you.

faint dawn
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" lower then 200.. " <-- No rly? I give up

jaunty badger
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Same. 600kb / 100kb. The injustice of the world I guess

faint dawn
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500Kb/s, need more.

fringe hamlet
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I've asked you to upload RPT logs because they may contaain useful info.

slow abyss
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Did someone ask this already - does your internet connection work right after you lose the session?

desert isle
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He can't hear you anymore

faint dawn
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^^

slow abyss
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oh

faint dawn
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Its like calling a Doctor by phone, tell him: "Heal me" and expects a cure XD

desert isle
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He has failed "How to answer questions 101"

jaunty badger
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You have to be 16 to play this game

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Must've been underage with all those profanities.

desert isle
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I would have been more than happy to hold his hand and walk him through it all, but not if he's not willing to help himself.

faint dawn
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XD

fringe hamlet
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๐Ÿ‘บ

faint dawn
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commy2 - Today at 11:50 AM
>You have to be 16 to play this game
Must've been underage with all those profanities.```
Or just dumb?
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I can tell you SupportChannel conversations... you wouldn't believe...

desert isle
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I've met dumb people that could answer questions and follow directions.

jaunty badger
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He might've been just banned for cheating or acting like in this chat on the server.

faint dawn
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Situation: A User installed our ModPackage (about 7Gb)

Me: "How big is your AddonFolder?"
User: "32Gb"
Me: "How much?"
(anotherMod in the Chan:) "He said 2,3Gb"
User: "nono, 32Gb"
Me: "How did that happend?"
User: "I don't know, it was always like that"

Or in German: "Das war schon so"

slow abyss
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It's because the mods are stupid and it was his little brother who hacked.

desert isle
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And the profanity, well , I swear a lot, but not around the general public, or at work or anywhere else where it's not appropriate.

faint dawn
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i do, both.

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I don't care.

jaunty badger
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It's a bad idea when you seek help.

faint dawn
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When you seek help, sure.

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Bad choice.

desert isle
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I'm perfectly happy to insult Dscha and his cocktail shwanz in PM but not in public..

faint dawn
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Now i am sad. He was funny.

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You are just jelaous!

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I still have hair, you don't.

desert isle
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Mines on my back, keeps me warm at night

faint dawn
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Thats pretty disgusting

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๐Ÿ˜„

desert isle
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๐Ÿ˜‰

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Speaking of which, it's time for a nap!

faint dawn
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Nap is always good

desert isle
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Old people need naps

faint dawn
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And since you are very old -> many naps needed.

desert isle
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Just not too long, that would mean I've died

faint dawn
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Yeah

fringe hamlet
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That's bad.

faint dawn
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Depends on, Jawsh

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Can i get your PCs FM?

desert isle
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At least I'd get rest then

faint dawn
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(then it wouldn't be THAT bad)