#arma3_config | ARMA | Page 82

livid heath Feb 28, 2018, 3:40 PM

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good that it is!

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i cn go and fix our mod muzzles classes now, and prep this code int oour dlc demo

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onelast related question

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class PointerSlot : SlotInfo
{
     linkProxy = "\A3\data_f\proxies\weapon_slots\SIDE";
      displayName = "$STR_A3_PointerSlot0";
      compatibleItems[] += {"mydlc_pointer"}; 
    iconPicture = "";
};```

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would this also work?

clear venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:43 PM

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yes.

livid heath Feb 28, 2018, 3:43 PM

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phew

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thanks

clear venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:43 PM

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also, for code blocks
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mycode

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which gives you:

mycode

livid heath Feb 28, 2018, 3:44 PM

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sweet, thanks

balmy sable Feb 28, 2018, 3:45 PM

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If it doesn't work you'll usually end up with an array that only has your new item in it, so you can check by looking in the config browser in-game after you've added your mod.

clear venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:45 PM

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if it doesn't work you'll get an error on startup

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or a crash depending on where it is 😄

livid heath Feb 28, 2018, 3:46 PM

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ok thanks, i'll build my config and test it in the next 20 mins

clear venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:46 PM

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i've only noticed arrays with a single entry when you don't inherit properly and create a new class by mistake

livid heath Feb 28, 2018, 3:47 PM

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my basic setup should be ok

clear venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:47 PM

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yup.

past marsh Feb 28, 2018, 3:47 PM

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In what situation would += not be used in a subclass?

balmy sable Feb 28, 2018, 3:47 PM

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Yeah, that's what I mean, if it doesn't find the original array because you're not updating an existing class it does that.

livid heath Feb 28, 2018, 3:47 PM

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iirc BI has occasionally moved some of these base classes inside cfgweapons, and sometimes put them separate

balmy sable Feb 28, 2018, 3:48 PM

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JED: When it's processing your config, for each of your classes it's either (a) merging each value into an existing class or (b) creating a new class.

livid heath Feb 28, 2018, 3:48 PM

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so if you were using an old setup you might have a shiny new class and not realise it

balmy sable Feb 28, 2018, 3:49 PM

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JED: When you do:

class Turret : Turret

You're actually creating an entirely new class that just happens to inherit from the old class in the same place. So += won't work because it doesn't go looking up or down the inheritance tree.

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Or even if you're doing:

class NewVehicle : BaseVehicle

That's creating a new class, so += won't work on anything.

clear venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:51 PM

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that's wrong tho.

past marsh Feb 28, 2018, 3:51 PM

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Then where would += be used?

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When redefining something?

clear venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:52 PM

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it doesn't matter how the class is defined, += is pretty much pushBackUnique but at a config level, if the array exist (inherited or defined there, and also supports +=) it'll work.

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it's just that not all config entries that are arrays support +=

balmy sable Feb 28, 2018, 3:52 PM

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If the class already exists. Like when you use it it:

CfgWeapons >> Throw

The "Throw" already exists in the game so it copies it from there.

clear venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:53 PM

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You use += when you want to add elements to an array without adding all existing elements by hand

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it's very nice for cross compat

balmy sable Feb 28, 2018, 3:54 PM

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The exact rules are nasty, there's a ticket describing the issues with inheritance and Mikero's done testing on it too.

clear venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:54 PM

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the exact rules are nasty but fairly simple to grasp

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if the class supports it (you've seen BI use += on it) it's fine

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if it doesn't, well it doesn't.

livid heath Feb 28, 2018, 3:55 PM

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worked on both throw muzzles and accessories compatibleitems. thanks guys

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ah so in my trap config i also need to add it to the put muzzles AND the magazines inside some of those, and rem out the now-duped classes of vanilla items. testing now

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yep, all worked. 😃

hard chasm Feb 28, 2018, 8:24 PM

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+= only applies to arrays.

the array being altered can only be one level lower in inheritence.

the contents of that underlying array must be known to the compiler. Inheriting it from some other pbo does not work, AFAIK

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the purpose of += is not to add anything you like to any array you like, but merely a shorthand convenience of not having to type the original arrays contents over and over again. Big difference in what it's used for versus what people think they can do with it.

clever kestrel Feb 28, 2018, 8:31 PM

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it copies the array right?

hard chasm Feb 28, 2018, 8:31 PM

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yes, it's a new instance

clever kestrel Feb 28, 2018, 8:31 PM

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Alright, cool.

hard chasm Feb 28, 2018, 8:32 PM

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but, if the original is not available at the time, it merely creates an array of the added content because in effect, there's nothing to add to.

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and >you< dear ladies will be none the wiser that it did so. (unless you look via a config.dump)

wispy patio Feb 28, 2018, 9:41 PM

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What's the minimum amount of stuff you need to get a vehicle ingame in arma 3?

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Because I'm working on importing a UAV but I wanna get the mesh ingame and placeable first

hard chasm Feb 28, 2018, 9:48 PM

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what on earth does 'mesh'' mean let alone 'placeable first'. do you want it placed last?

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how about placed never

wispy patio Feb 28, 2018, 9:50 PM

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well, placeable in editor so that you can see it

hard chasm Feb 28, 2018, 9:51 PM

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if all you want to do as add your p3d into an addon
class cfgVehicles
{
class some_similar_vehicle;
class my_vehicle: some_similar_vehicle
{
model=my_fantastic_mesh.p3d;
// a bit more housekeeping
};
};

// voila

wispy patio Feb 28, 2018, 9:51 PM

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thanks 👍

hard chasm Feb 28, 2018, 10:06 PM

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there's a small learning curve for you in getting your model listed.
{
.....
scope=2; // displayable by the 3den editor

editorCategory="mallow_animals";
editorSubCategory="mallow_elephants";
displayName="My Pink Elephant";

};

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you should be able to see above the logical progression of how the game lists your entry in the display tree. so expecting it to be listed 'first' is naive.

wispy patio Feb 28, 2018, 10:33 PM

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ye

wispy patio Mar 1, 2018, 12:18 AM

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https://vgy.me/ITEJjg.jpg

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@hard chasm thanks!

hard chasm Mar 1, 2018, 12:24 AM

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congrats. to get that far so quickly is some serious street cred. the lack of textures or it's possible inability to fly is irrelevant to the nightmare of actually wedging it into the game.

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the good news is, the workflow to do so becomes 2nd nature.

wispy patio Mar 1, 2018, 12:27 AM

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yeah, everything should be alright from here on out

past marsh Mar 1, 2018, 1:26 AM

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Lol most of my config editing consists of searching the wiki and unpacking pbos from CUP and BIS.

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Such a nightmare when you need to change something and have to figure out all the garbage you need to inherit

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Kind of a shame that there’s no way to have a torpedo underwater without scripting it

hard chasm Mar 1, 2018, 1:40 AM

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have to figure out all the garbage you need to inherit

wingrep is your friend. it will rapidly locate the config class you are interested in anwhere on the pDrive. (or anthing else like textures too)
you cannot pass go and you most definately won't collect 2 Euros without a fully populated pDrive. Binarise will have a fit if trying to make a map (land classes). Binarise and pboProject will scream at you if model.cfgs are missing. pboProject will scream at you if you have \missing\files, because it's not stupid enough to think you've spelt it corrrectly. And you have no hope in Hades of placing things in TB withiut the p3d present on the drive.

All in all you're making excuses to simply not use arma3p for extracting the game, and ditto sentiment for cup.

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it's set and forget, you do it once, and again on each upgrade (which is becoming less frequent)

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...and, without a friend like winGrep, you have no idea how many instances of class potatoes: tomatoes{} actually exist. Because bis will and do alter the properties of that class in succesive pbo's. So you don't actually know if what you've found, is actually, rhe truth.

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I actually did write an inheritence locator (part of pboDeps.exe), and then discovered that wingrep did a far better job of it than I could.

candid wave Mar 1, 2018, 1:51 AM

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hmm just to be clear, grep just searches text string, it doesnt understand anything about C++ or arma3 configs. you are talking about plain text searches, right?

hard chasm Mar 1, 2018, 1:52 AM

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i am indeed. and it's a simple, intutive to use, gui with regex expressions if you need to go that far.

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another variant is GrepWin. both do a great job.

candid wave Mar 1, 2018, 1:52 AM

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yup, been using powergrep since OFP times.

hard chasm Mar 1, 2018, 1:54 AM

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I am sure powerGrep would achive same results. it's a fact of life in arma modding that you need a tool out of the grep family

candid wave Mar 1, 2018, 1:54 AM

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last time I used it was yesterday, had to scan users/myname/ sub dirs *.sq? files for " objStatus " string 😃

hard chasm Mar 1, 2018, 1:56 AM

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notepad++ of course does an equially qreat job on any of the files it has open, but it isn't useful against a pDrive

potent mortar Mar 1, 2018, 2:09 AM

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whats the classname for the csat su34 flanker with new pylons?

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couldnt find it in the wiki or cfg browser

candid wave Mar 1, 2018, 2:10 AM

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hehe thats funny

past marsh Mar 1, 2018, 2:11 AM

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I think I’m doing fine with checking folder and file names and searching those. Only mod stuff I do is config edits for our server. Always someone else’s stuff. Though, actually, now that I think about it, all those textures we have were ours.

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It’s probably something like cup_o_su34_dyn

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Depbo the su34 pbo that probably exists and debin the config.cpp if needed

potent mortar Mar 1, 2018, 2:13 AM

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@past marsh oh its a cup thing? no wonder i couldnt find it in the vanilla stuff

past marsh Mar 1, 2018, 2:13 AM

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Yeah, SU34 is a real aircraft

potent mortar Mar 1, 2018, 2:13 AM

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is there a twin seater jet thats vanilla?

past marsh Mar 1, 2018, 2:13 AM

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Nope

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Though, if you compare the CUP L39 to the AAF Buzzard, it’s the same model except they put a block of hard foam where the observer sat

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But vanilla planes only take one seat

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Unless there’s some civilian one I don’t know about

potent mortar Mar 1, 2018, 2:16 AM

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ok thanks

cursive storm Mar 1, 2018, 10:59 AM

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Hi, does someone know where i can find the classname of the ammo from the demining drone? I cant find it in the BI Wiki and the Orange pbos are still locked.

balmy sable Mar 1, 2018, 11:01 AM

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@cursive storm Try the config browser in the editor

untold temple Mar 1, 2018, 11:15 AM

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play as the demining drone in editor, make sure the weapon is active, pause to the debug console comes up, click "config" and the currently loaded cfgmagazines and cfgammo classe should already be available as bookmarks in the bottom-left.

cursive storm Mar 1, 2018, 11:23 AM

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Found it, thanks. 👍

fathom thorn Mar 1, 2018, 12:18 PM

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does dynamic loadouts work with turret weapons aswell as missiles/rockets?

potent mortar Mar 1, 2018, 12:45 PM

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the only thing dynamic is the pylons.

im looking for the classname of a twin seater in rhs/cup that has boatloads of pylons (atleast more than the vanilla warthog and the cup su34)

fathom thorn Mar 1, 2018, 12:49 PM

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I c. so you cant alter an mg in a turret using that

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it must be a seperate class

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I've been looking for functions to change a turrets weapon, but havent found any

potent mortar Mar 1, 2018, 12:52 PM

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@fathom thorn you can alter anything with removeweaponturret addweaponturret
-1 = driver 0 = primary gunner (others are defined based on turret structure in the cfg)

fathom thorn Mar 1, 2018, 12:54 PM

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ok thanks, yeah I got help in the scripting channel ^^

potent mortar Mar 1, 2018, 12:54 PM

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for example


{ vehicle player removeMagazinesTurret [_x,[-1]]; } foreach (vehicle player magazinesTurret [-1]); 

{ vehicle player removeWeaponTurret [_x,[-1]]; } foreach (vehicle player weaponsTurret [-1]); 

_mag = ["js_m_fa18_m61","2000Rnd_20mm_shells","300Rnd_CMFlare_Chaff_Magazine","Laserbatteries"]; 

{ vehicle player addMagazineTurret [_x,[-1]]; } foreach _mag;

_wep = ["Laserdesignator_pilotCamera","js_w_fa18_m61","Twin_Cannon_20mm","CMFlareLauncher"]; 

{ vehicle player addWeaponTurret [_x,[-1]]; } foreach _wep;

fathom thorn Mar 1, 2018, 12:57 PM

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thanks alot^^

fathom thorn Mar 1, 2018, 5:37 PM

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Hi again guys.

This is driving me nuts. I cant get these animationSources to work under vehicle appearance.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o5bmzg4gkjqv59r/20180301183438_1.jpg?dl=0

nothing happens when clicking that field. It should get a white square inside it.
The animationSource itself work fine cause I can activate them with a script

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I tried doing exactly the same as the AH-9 Pawnee with its AddTread and AddTread_Short

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these are my animationsSouces:

        class hide_ML {
            displayName = "Multilaser";
            author = "Battlestad";
            source = "user";
            animPeriod= 0.001;
            initPhase = 0;
            forceAnimatePhase = 1;
            forceAnimate[] = {"hide_LC",0};
        };

        // LasCannon
        class hide_LC {
            displayName = "LasCannon";
            source = "user";
            animPeriod= 0.001;
            initPhase = 0;
            forceAnimatePhase = 1;
            forceAnimate[] = {"hide_ML",0};
        };

untold temple Mar 1, 2018, 5:42 PM

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garage uses animate rather than animatesource

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so there kind of has to be an anim that uses the same name as the source. To add multi-part animation to the garage you have to use onPhaseChanged

fathom thorn Mar 1, 2018, 5:43 PM

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what.. are you telling me I need to specify that in model.cfg?

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in the animation itself?

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the arma vanilla vehicles uses animationSources it seems

untold temple Mar 1, 2018, 5:45 PM

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one of your anims needs to be called class hide_ML for the garage option to work

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example is the wing folding anims C class wing_fold_l //sources - ["A3_Air_F_Jets_Plane_Fighter_01"] { source = "user"; animPeriod = 2.5; initPhase = 0; displayName = "Fold Wings"; onPhaseChanged = "{(_this select 0) animate [_x,(_this select 1),true]}foreach ['wing_fold_l','wing_fold_r','wing_fold_cover_l','wing_fold_cover_r'];"; };

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can see the onPhaseChanged parameter there

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without that, it's only perform the wing_fold_l animation and the Fold Wings editor option wouldn't animate other parts

fathom thorn Mar 1, 2018, 5:47 PM

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this is my animation in model.cfg

        class ML_Hide
        {
            type="hide";
            source="hide_ML";
            selection="multilaser";
            minValue = 0.0;
            maxValue = 1.0;
            minPhase = 0.0;
            maxPhase = 1.0;
            initPhase = 1;
            hideValue = 0.001;
        };

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I am already using the animationSource hide_ML in it. shouldnt that be enough?

untold temple Mar 1, 2018, 5:48 PM

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no, because like I said Garage/vehicle appearance doesn't use animateSource

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it'll work with your own triggers etc. but not through the Eden/Garage stuff

fathom thorn Mar 1, 2018, 5:49 PM

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okey gonna add everything in the animations then. Hope BI fixes that

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Im gonna use onPhaseChanged to control which weapon it has in its turret I think

untold temple Mar 1, 2018, 5:50 PM

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but still you need at least one animation called hide_ML rather than ML_Hide

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the source name has to match the animation name

fathom thorn Mar 1, 2018, 5:50 PM

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oh ok nice to know. learning something new every day^^

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thanks alot it works now

past marsh Mar 1, 2018, 11:24 PM

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Is there no way to look at those .ebo files?

hard chasm Mar 2, 2018, 12:20 AM

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why not respect bi's wish that they don't want you to?

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traditionally bis have always delivered the goods for us, either after a delay where they can SELL the new dlc. or, in the case of arma2 dlc's they immediately provided low texture equivalents for us to use.

past marsh Mar 2, 2018, 12:26 AM

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How long has it been since Jets DLC release?

hard chasm Mar 2, 2018, 12:26 AM

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no idea, since they didn't give me a copy.

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almost everything you need to know about the ebo content is already shown in the config browser.

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anything else generally means you want to reverse engineer the p3d

past marsh Mar 2, 2018, 12:28 AM

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I only crack p3ds for memory points

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And maybe taking a look at LODs

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And hitpoints

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Though, that RIM-162 bugs me.
Doesn’t seem to lock when used with a different magazine unless you make a new ammo class and change the value that allows airlock

hard chasm Mar 2, 2018, 12:32 AM

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I guess you wouldn't mind other people cracking open your p3ds to 'look at the hitpoints' either.

past marsh Mar 2, 2018, 12:33 AM

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I don’t have p3ds

hard chasm Mar 2, 2018, 12:33 AM

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The only thorny issue bis have, a catch22 really, is p3d content for maps. we simply must have them from the very beginning.

past marsh Mar 2, 2018, 12:33 AM

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And the model sometimes comes out warped

hard chasm Mar 2, 2018, 12:34 AM

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I have no adea what you mean. The isssue for terrain makers is they can't make maps using the new content without access to the physical.p3d

past marsh Mar 2, 2018, 12:35 AM

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I was talking about cracking a p3d

hard chasm Mar 2, 2018, 12:35 AM

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At least this was recognised (a bit late) for tanoa, and quite quickly for argo

past marsh Mar 2, 2018, 12:37 AM

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What did we even get from that dlc anyway? Just the map and an advertisement?

hard chasm Mar 2, 2018, 12:38 AM

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what map? Tanoa? there are (from memory) a dozen or so ebo/pbos for 'just a map'

past marsh Mar 2, 2018, 12:38 AM

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Argo

hard chasm Mar 2, 2018, 12:38 AM

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i think a similar amount for argo. not sure on that one.

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prolly wrong, they mostly used tanoa assets for argo

past marsh Mar 2, 2018, 12:39 AM

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Tanoa was the whole Apex thing. Lots of reskins, which I appreciate

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Though it sucks that they didn’t reskin all of it

hard chasm Mar 2, 2018, 12:40 AM

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I have no idea what you mean by redline, and I apologise for taking this to off topic, i'll now shuttup.

sly prairie Mar 2, 2018, 3:28 AM

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I'll right I'm stuck and I have been messing around with the config and been searching the web for 6 hours, so I made a new vehicle with a custom model.

I set the scope to scope=2; and scopecurator to scopecurator=2; however the vehicle isnt showing up in Zeus but it is in 3DEN in the CfgPatches under unit I have assigned the class names of my vehicle's Name_Base_F as example and the class under class CfgpPatches is named class model name. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong ?

hard chasm Mar 2, 2018, 3:54 AM

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paste the relevant sections of your config somewhere, or, the whole thing if it's easier for you.

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we each have different terminology for what you say above so the meaning is not clear.

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the classname(s) inside the cfgPatches class are irrelevant to the displayName= of the game editors btw.

sly prairie Mar 2, 2018, 4:19 AM

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https://pastebin.com/SNdGv2i4

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here is my pastebin

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using the sample files to get a understanding

stoic lily Mar 2, 2018, 4:41 AM

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@sly prairie show cfgPatches too

sly prairie Mar 2, 2018, 4:43 AM

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class CfgPatches
{
class sparrow
{
units[] =
{
sparrow_base_F,
C_sparrow_F
};
weapons[] = {};
requiredVersion = 0.1;
requiredAddons[] = {"A3_Air_F"};
};
};

stoic lily Mar 2, 2018, 4:43 AM

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also if your chopper is similar enough to one of the BI classes, you better use theirs as parent class and only defined the differences (vs the "whole" redefinition you do currently)

sly prairie Mar 2, 2018, 4:45 AM

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I just tried with the sample file's and they also dont show up.... Dont know what it is, could be that i'm scratching my had and try to figure it out for 8 hours

stoic lily Mar 2, 2018, 4:46 AM

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are these defines in another config?
faction ="OPTRE_UNSC";
crew = "OPTRE_UNSC_Airforce_Soldier_Airman";

sly prairie Mar 2, 2018, 4:46 AM

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yes

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i'm making a addon mod to another mod

stoic lily Mar 2, 2018, 4:49 AM

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try editorSubcategory = "EdSubcat_Helicopters";

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its already defined in class Helicopter but for some reason BI is also setting it again in the helicopter base classes

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overall your config looks alright

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did you verify via config browser yet? also placement via 2d editor ?

hard chasm Mar 2, 2018, 6:12 AM

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minor detail, sparrow_base should not be declared in cfgPatches. only public classes (scope=2). You might upset the game editor (mission.sqm eg), either that or it's ignored.

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you also want to have displayname=:the real deal" in the same class as the public entry,

the reason for this is the underlying displayname in sparrowBase is supposed to be a more generic name such as 'aircraft" or "drone" or "tomato soup"

the underlying displayname is used by the accuracy sething to display in game, one, or the other dependent of course on the distance away

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and also of course, the only reason you have a BASE at all is because you will presumably create red green and blue sparrows none of which would be called the displayname in sparrow_base itself.

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since you say, your model is already selectable in the 3den editro, then the EditorCategory / subcategories must be ok. you're using what's already declared rather than defining your own (which is also ok)

tender folio Mar 2, 2018, 9:13 AM

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shouldn't the units in CfgPatches be in quotes?

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also pboProject is your friend

hard chasm Mar 2, 2018, 9:39 AM

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quotes are only necessary when you don't want a string to be misinterpreted by #defines. They have no meaning in any other construct becuase, by definition, anything that isn't a number, is a "string"

value = this IS a string; // and
value = "this IS a string"; is 100% identical in outcome

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#define IS elephants

value = this IS a string; //is not identical

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tradition dictates that when UNbinarising bis strings "they are surrounded in quotes"; but that is merely a nice convention and nothing more.

plucky stratus Mar 2, 2018, 4:48 PM

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stoic lily Mar 2, 2018, 5:13 PM

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@plucky stratus #server_admins

plucky stratus Mar 2, 2018, 6:16 PM

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its a config file....😦

grand zinc Mar 2, 2018, 6:18 PM

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You can also deleted messages btw. Also read channel description.

plucky stratus Mar 2, 2018, 6:50 PM

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then it'd look wierd 😉

sly prairie Mar 2, 2018, 7:50 PM

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so what could be the problem then that it doesnt show in zeus ?

jade brook Mar 2, 2018, 8:27 PM

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@sly prairie Looks like you correctly added the units to your config patch, but the zeus module only recognizes "loaded" addons by default. The logic behind "loaded" addons seems to me like some deprecated / carry over from A2, but you can always make your addon be "loaded" by adding a class to CfgAddons and by including your config patches classnames in the list[] array.


class CfgAddons {
    class PreloadAddons {
        class BWA3 {
            list[] = {
                "BWA3_AmmoBoxes",
                "BWA3_AssaultRifles",
                "BWA3_Attachments",
                "BWA3_Backpacks",
                "BWA3_BattleRifles",
                "BWA3_Common",
                "BWA3_Eagle",
                "BWA3_EnablePIPOptics",
                "BWA3_Explosives",
                "BWA3_Flag",
                "BWA3_HandGrenades",
                "BWA3_Handguns",
                "BWA3_Headgear",
                "BWA3_Launchers",
                "BWA3_Leopard2A6M",
                "BWA3_MachineGuns",
                "BWA3_NaviPad",
                "BWA3_Optics",
                "BWA3_Puma",
                "BWA3_Radios",
                "BWA3_SniperRifles",
                "BWA3_Sounds",
                "BWA3_Tiger",
                "BWA3_Tracked",
                "BWA3_Units",
                "BWA3_Vector",
                "BWA3_VehicleWeapons",
                "BWA3_Vests",
                "BWA3_Weapons"
            };
        };
    };
};

fathom thorn Mar 2, 2018, 8:51 PM

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Hi guys. Is is possible to turn off collision on physX wheels with other physX objects and just use the geo physX lod for collision?

I have invisible physX wheels in front of the legs of my walking mech, and I dont want it to collide with stuff where it is "invisible"

past marsh Mar 2, 2018, 9:23 PM

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You try damaging the wheels?

fathom thorn Mar 2, 2018, 9:26 PM

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they are not in any hitpoint lod

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so how would I set damage to them? and would it help? would I be able to move then?

past marsh Mar 2, 2018, 9:31 PM

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If it’s the kind of wheels that could get destroyed, you’d just set their damage to 1 and that might help at least a little.

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Don’t know why you have a mech with invisible wheels.

fathom thorn Mar 2, 2018, 9:35 PM

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/981u1emos4klc58/Untitled.png?dl=0

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its just a tank really

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using tank physX wheels to move around

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the legs moving is just visual

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but I wish I could prevent the wheels in the memory lod to collide with stuff

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and just use the geometry physX for that

wise tusk Mar 2, 2018, 9:49 PM

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You wil hate me for again asking about MFD, but yeah.
How can I combine fixed position bone and rotational bone in a way, that element will rotate according to "pivot" located in the coordinates defined by fixed position bone, and not rotational bone?
Example:

class Bones{
    class POS
        {
        type="fixed";
        pos[]={0.5,0.5};
        };
    class ROT
    {
        type="rotational";
        source="throttle";
        center[] = {0.0,0.0};
        sourceScale = 1;
        min = 0;
        max = 1;
        minAngle = 0;
        maxAngle = 360;
        aspectRatio = 1;
    };
};
class Draw{
    class Throttle
    {
    type="line";
    width=6;
    points[]=
    {
        {"POS",1,"ROT",{-0.02, -0.02},1},
        {"POS",1,"ROT",{0.02, -0.02},1},
        {"POS",1,"ROT",{0.02, 0.02},1},
        {"POS",1,"ROT",{-0.02, 0.02},1},
        {"POS",1,"ROT",{-0.02, -0.02},1}};
    };
}; ```

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This gives me opposite result, the pivot point is in 0,0. What I want to do is to move it to "POS" position, but not by putting coordinates in center[]

fervent glacier Mar 3, 2018, 10:50 AM

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Hello guys, i'm wondering if it's possible to use accents in the condition of a userAction ?

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what i tried : https://image.prntscr.com/image/bSmN21c9TPe_gb37LU1jvA.png

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but it doesn't work : https://image.prntscr.com/image/lTl0j84FSrimFcsew52wpw.png

wintry tartan Mar 3, 2018, 12:05 PM

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Is there a way to add a option to the Tools of 3DEN?

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 12:07 PM

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Yes. https://github.com/CBATeam/CBA_A3/blob/master/addons/settings/Display3DEN.hpp

wintry tartan Mar 3, 2018, 12:08 PM

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Oh

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I looked into Cfg3DEN

swift depot Mar 3, 2018, 5:13 PM

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Hi everyone !
I had an idea the other night about a special gun that would have an integrated tazer below the barrel instead of the lamp / laser. ( concept : http://puu.sh/zzHYh/b0a0af4c99.png )
I know it's possible to have 2 magazines slots like the Type115 ( http://puu.sh/zzHRM/48061f2a42.jpg ) and I need 2 magazines slot because the tazer's script would work on the magazine's type.
The problem is that I do not know at all if it is possible to create a secondary weapon with 2 slots of magazines.
Has anyone ever tried?

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(Repost from model_makers 😅 )

grand zinc Mar 3, 2018, 5:15 PM

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instead of the lamp / laser No.
instead of grenade launcher yes.

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Yes. Sure that's possible

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Easiest way is to just take a grenade launcher weapon as example

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They have a secondary weapon below the barrel. With a seperate magazine. Exactly what you want

swift depot Mar 3, 2018, 5:23 PM

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That's what I thought, I'll try and report my result. thank you Dedmen !

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 5:52 PM

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you can add all kinds of muzzles to weapons, I added a shotgun muzzle to an m79 grenade launcher, so you can switch between grenade simulation and shotgun simulation in your weapon type. the only glitch wiot hthat is that yo ucan load both mags at once and toggle between them lol. but it works with each round now having different simulation and sounds when fired.

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mod-compromise

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 5:53 PM

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But does it work for secondary weapons too? Can't say I tried, but I don't see why not.

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 5:54 PM

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well i have it working on a sawn-off m79 pistol slot weapon

hot pine Mar 3, 2018, 5:54 PM

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"you can add all kinds of muzzles to weapons, I added a shotgun muzzle to an m79 grenade launcher, so you can switch between grenade simulation and shotgun simulation in your weapon type" why not just 2 magazines?

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 5:54 PM

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That's handguns. Secondary weapons is the rocket launchers.

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 5:54 PM

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the shotsound is in the weapon mode

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oh i see, the simulation type is in the ammo

hot pine Mar 3, 2018, 5:55 PM

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well, 2 muzzles sounds weird

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since you can fire 2 rounds in one go

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 5:55 PM

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but the weapon inheritance for grenade launcher is quite different from shotguns

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i was playing it safe

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 5:56 PM

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MX with UGL has two muzzles...

hot pine Mar 3, 2018, 5:57 PM

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but mx with ugl has two muzzles

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where m79 has only single barrel 😛

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 5:57 PM

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m79 has one barrel though. i was effecting a compromise to maintain inheritance from grenade launcher and shotgun weapons

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wasn't sure it would work if it was simply a mag thing

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i can test it easy enough

hot pine Mar 3, 2018, 5:58 PM

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well, for rhs m320 I'm using single muzzle and beside having same sound its working fine

graceful egret Mar 3, 2018, 5:58 PM

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Does anyone know how to adjust the stealth parameters for certain vehicles? I'm trying to make a few NATO vehicles harder to acquire on radar

hot pine Mar 3, 2018, 5:58 PM

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but question is, if buckshot is going to produce different sound after all?

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 5:58 PM

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well punk! and BLAM! are quite noticeably different 😉

hot pine Mar 3, 2018, 5:59 PM

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well, you could always script it so it automatically add some muzzle attachment once buckshot is loaded

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 5:59 PM

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My scripting brain tells me to just script the sound effects.

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 5:59 PM

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typically when innovating, you have to choose where t ocompromise

untold temple Mar 3, 2018, 5:59 PM

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I checked the SMAW we have in RHS and the issue I mentioned in #arma3_model with the inventory UI not supporting the second muzzle slot on non-primary weapons, does seem to be a reality.

hot pine Mar 3, 2018, 5:59 PM

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and then use same technic as silenced weapons are using

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:00 PM

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that's a different compromise

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equally valid

untold temple Mar 3, 2018, 6:00 PM

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sounds like a good script idea for rifle-grenades too 😄

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:00 PM

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my rifle grenades work fine without any scripts

untold temple Mar 3, 2018, 6:01 PM

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multiple different grenade models though?

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:02 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLgl86TBBoI

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excuse the poor animations

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as i can't do the reload anims

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FOW uses an attachment for their rifle grenades, i use a muzzle selection hide anim for the adapter

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i'm happy with it though, it works fine

hot pine Mar 3, 2018, 6:04 PM

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well, depends on level of authenticity you want to achieve

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but if you are fine with it then why not

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personally for me it's too big cheating with such insta mode switching

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:04 PM

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different ways to skin a cat as they say

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i prefer less scripted solutions, and speedy gameplay. it's why i don't play with mods like ACE. i prefer simplicity in game style, so you can concentrate instead on the team dynamics

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very much a design choice i suppose. every modder has to choose where he compromises

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multiple different grenade models though yeah i don't have different models showing up. hiding all different types of grenade would be difficult i think, unless again you added different muzzles for each type. and that would be laborious and weird to cycle through them all

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i have configged different types, but you only see the frag oneshowing up

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works great in jungle fighting, and the AI seem to like them

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apparently the only way to fix it is to place one of each item in your mission and link them to the addon manager module and link that to the zeus game master module```

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unless anyone has any ideas?

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surely it can't be that laborious?

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reyhard - Today at 5:59 PM well, you could always script it so it automatically add some muzzle attachment once buckshot is loaded is there an animationsource that detects magazine type?

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:18 PM

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list[] in CfgAddons is what fixed this for me.

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:19 PM

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https://pastebin.com/cjY0BUHg

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:20 PM

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And CfgPatches CSJ_heli lists the objects in units[] too?

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:21 PM

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not all of them have a units or weapons array with non-null entries, but the ones i wish to see in zeus al ldo

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an example is

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                "uns_ch53",```

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those helicopters never show up

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:22 PM

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Well, I added CfgAddons specifically to fix this issue (to replace a scripted solution I had) and it worked for me.

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BWA3 is the mod.

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:22 PM

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class CfgPatches { class uns_ch53_c { units[] = { "uns_ch53d_m2_usmc", "uns_ch53a_med_usmc", "uns_ch53a_m60_usmc", "uns_rh53a_m2_usn", "uns_hh53b_m134_usaf" }; weapons[] = {}; requiredVersion = 1.0; requiredAddons[] = {"A3_Air_F","uns_main", "uns_Armour_c", "uns_men_c", "uns_weap_c"}; }; };

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class uns_ch53a_med_usmc: uns_ch53_base { scope = 2; scopecurator = 2; vehicleClass = "aa_uns_support"; editorSubcategory = "aa_uns_support"; displayName = "CH-53A Sea Stallion (Medevac)"; etc

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and for some strange reason they still don't load in zeus

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could it be that uns_main (although a requiredaddon in almost every pbo in our mod) doesn't get added to the mission required addons list?

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:24 PM

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In an empty mission, does it show uns_ch53_c in activatedAddons?

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:24 PM

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not unless i place one

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let me check a sec

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:24 PM

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Well for me it shows in activatedAddons ever since I added my stuff to CfgAddons.

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Without having to place one example of the mod.

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:25 PM

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ok thanks i'll aim for that outcome

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good to know 😃

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:26 PM

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Previously my script was this:

// manually activate our addons
private _addons = activatedAddons apply {toLower _x};

{
    _addons pushBackUnique _x;
} forEach BWA3_addons;

activateAddons _addons;

// manually add our addons to all curators
if (isServer) then {
    {
        _x addCuratorAddons BWA3_addons;
    } forEach allCurators;
};

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In what could be replicated using CfgFunctions postInit = 1; (XEH postInit to be exact)

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:27 PM

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blank mission didn't have any addons listed

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:27 PM

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The activating handles curator logics placed mid mission and the addCuratorAddons handles already exisiting ones.

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blank mission didn't have any addons listed
The array was empty?

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:28 PM

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https://pastebin.com/kq6Y834V

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i placed a single stock entity

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:29 PM

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activatedAddons is a script command. Ignore the mission config.

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:29 PM

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this was running my mod, with that cfgaddons list above present

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ohhh sorry

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i thought we were looking to see if cfgaddons was working

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:30 PM

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I am, but this is not the way to do it.

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:31 PM

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so just to clarify, your code above is part of your mod, and called using a postinit EH?

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not in mission?

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:31 PM

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It used to be part of my mod until I replaced it by CfgAddons.

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Once I figured out that that is the better way due to trial and error.

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:32 PM

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ok so i added cfgaddons list to my mod, but it does nothing

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could it be the location / pbo i put it into?

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:33 PM

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I just put it into my most basic PBO, the one all the others require: https://git.koffeinflummi.de/bwmod-team/bwa3/blob/master/bwa3_common/CfgAddons.hpp

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bwa3_common

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It seems strange to me that you added your config patches to CfgAddons, but they still don't appear in activatedAddons.

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:34 PM

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same

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uns_main

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for example my ch53 when placed in mission produces this

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{
    "A3_Characters_F",
    "uns_men_USAF",
    "uns_ch53_c"
};```

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but in the requiredaddons of ch53 it has this

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:36 PM

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The mission.sqm is irrelavant. Only activatedAddons matters.

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:36 PM

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{
    class uns_ch53_c
    {
        units[] = 
        {
            "uns_ch53d_m2_usmc", 
            "uns_ch53a_med_usmc", 
            "uns_ch53a_m60_usmc",
            "uns_rh53a_m2_usn", 
            "uns_hh53b_m134_usaf"
        };
        weapons[] = {};
        requiredVersion = 1.0;
        requiredAddons[] = {"A3_Air_F","uns_main", "uns_Armour_c", "uns_men_c", "uns_weap_c"};
    };
};```

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ok how do i find activatedaddons? using the EH you described?

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sorry am a little confused

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:37 PM

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copyToClipboard str activatedAddons

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In debug console

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:37 PM

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ok thanks

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ok so a small amopunt of addons were activated

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https://pastebin.com/QNiWSKSM

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:40 PM

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Is that not all of the listed ones?

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In list[] I mean.

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:40 PM

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no, much fewer

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:40 PM

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uns_m113_c

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:40 PM

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32 of them

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:40 PM

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Well this would mean at least the m113 has to appear in Zeus, right?

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:41 PM

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32/ 210 items listed

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a3 stuff was massivethough, easily 200+

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Without CfgAddons, none of them should be listed. With CfgAddons, all of them should be listed. Always talking about a blank mission with maybe the NATO Rifleman from vanilla placed.

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:42 PM

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the mig21 is a good example of an item that doesnt show in zeus, nor does the ch53 unless it is placed in the mission

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Yeah, because the config is not "activated".

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:42 PM

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ok let me delete the ch53 and see what loads with jus tthe guy

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Once placed, the config patch becomes activated.

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:45 PM

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ok this time a smaller count of unsung addons loaded

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could it be that we have a conflicting cfgaddons somewhere maybe?

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:45 PM

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Once you place an object, all config patches it requires are "activated".

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Dunno, check the config viewer if the class is correct.

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All CfgAddons does is to make addons activated without having to place samples.

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That is how stock addons are always activated and can therefore also be always placed with zeus.

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:46 PM

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well once i removed the ch53 and then saved and reloaded the mission, for example "uns_jetpil" was no longer in the list

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along with a bunch of others

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Make a new mission every time. Just to be sure.

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:47 PM

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some odd behaviour going on perhaps

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ok, so the ones i see listed in cfg viewer are all pbos that have their own cfgaddons entry in that pbo

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{
    class PreloadAddons
    {
        class uns_m113_c
        {
            list[] = {"uns_m113_c"};
        };
    };
};```

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those ones show up

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but the uns_main list with 210 entries does not

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:49 PM

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Oh, so you already had some CfgAddons previously?

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I just put all config patches into one subclass of PreloadAddons.

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Maybe there really is a conflict in your setup, and some patches are missing.

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:51 PM

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well each one has a unique class

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    {
        class uns_m113_c```

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in uns_main it has class unsung

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:52 PM

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Yeah, not what I did, but it should work either way really.

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:55 PM

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ok im thinking maybe because i have some listed addons that have blank entries for units/weapons that maybe this could cause the list to fail?

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:55 PM

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Maybe, all my entries are valid.

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:55 PM

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so will reduce the count to one i know has a complete array and see if it loads

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:55 PM

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Definitely comment out all other CfgAddons.

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:57 PM

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well all of the other cfgaddons show up in the list in cofig viewer

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:57 PM

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Yeah, they are somewhere in your mod.

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:57 PM

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but maybe as my new list duplicates their single entries, it could conflict

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:58 PM

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Yep, sounds weird, but who knows.

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:58 PM

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ok now it shows up!

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so possibly the duplications caused the issue

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ok i can take it from there. thanks so much for coaching me there

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😃

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 6:59 PM

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Did it show up in zeus too or only the config viewer?

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 6:59 PM

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ah well i didnt try zeus yet

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but the cfgaddons were not loading before

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so now i will fix that so they all load up

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and then revisit the zeus issue. baby steps etc

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 7:01 PM

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Report back if something happens. I'm intrigued now.

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lol

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 7:10 PM

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zeus now works

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big man kiss from me

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and our 40,000 subscribers!

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as up until today they couldnt use zeus properly

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 7:11 PM

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Nice. This is documented nowhere afaik. I had to figure this out myself and you can imagine how long it took.

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 7:12 PM

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yeah

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wel lthanks so much for your patience durign my confusion earlier. i sure appreciate your generosity

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 7:12 PM

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👌🏻

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 7:13 PM

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i'll get this fixed up in our mod later on tonight, and then i may do a short tutorial on youtube on how to do it, andwhat pitfalls to avoid

jade brook Mar 3, 2018, 7:13 PM

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sweet

livid heath Mar 3, 2018, 7:13 PM

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just so it's documented somehwere in the public domain

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off for a beer now. smiling and skipping lol

graceful egret Mar 3, 2018, 8:21 PM

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Hello everyone, is it possible to alter a vehicles armor? I'm trying to make the Hunter a little more durable against small arms fire

past marsh Mar 3, 2018, 8:33 PM

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Yes, you can make a new class and change minimal hit values for each of the hitpoints

graceful egret Mar 3, 2018, 8:45 PM

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Thank you, would you be able to point me in the right direction on a tutorial or something on how to do that? I'm just getting into scripting/config work so its all new to me

past marsh Mar 3, 2018, 10:13 PM

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You’ll have to inherit the hitpoints and stuff

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I’d recommend opening up the soft_f pbos

sly prairie Mar 3, 2018, 10:51 PM

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if I'm making a new mission with my vehicle's assigned to the zeus addon module and place that in my pbo will that make it to show up in zeus for every Tanoa ?

simple trout Mar 4, 2018, 1:02 AM

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anybody know off the top of their heads how to add icons to user actions?

untold temple Mar 4, 2018, 1:06 AM

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the ones that appear in the centre of the screen?

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example would be something like displayNameDefault = "<img image='\A3\Ui_f\data\IGUI\Cfg\Actions\open_door_ca.paa' size='2.5' />"; in class userAction

simple trout Mar 4, 2018, 1:13 AM

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So I would include this with "displayname = "blah""?

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or replace it?

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any specific format? I assume 128x128 ca, white?

untold temple Mar 4, 2018, 1:16 AM

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I'm not sure, I only have a config dump on hand so can't check the image

simple trout Mar 4, 2018, 1:17 AM

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ok thanks, I'll give it a shot

livid heath Mar 4, 2018, 1:34 AM

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@graceful egret you could do it more easily with an init line adding a damage eventhandler that passes on only half the damage etc. might be easier than making a complete patched class mod

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Event_Handlers#Dammaged

simple trout Mar 4, 2018, 2:57 AM

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@da12thMonkey#2096 worked, thanks!

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So many icons to make now lol

wintry tartan Mar 4, 2018, 6:05 AM

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How to hide 3DEN interface while the function is running?
https://twitter.com/polpox_avenger/status/970178224574537728

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Sorry if it is #arma3_scripting related

narrow crow Mar 4, 2018, 8:29 AM

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is it possible to use zeroing1 on vehicle weapons (primary turret) or just soldier weapons?

wintry tartan Mar 4, 2018, 9:38 AM

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Throw me a mention if you have an answer for my problem

livid heath Mar 4, 2018, 10:38 AM

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@narrow crow i have tried that, and it didn't work

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for example on an m1919 ladder sight mounted on a willys jeep

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i wonder, because it is a VEHICLE weapon, and therefore not a unique weapon (like you have as a dismounted player) if you can set it up like any other vehicle weapon source, like how we do muzzle flash rotation or recoil in the vehicle cfg

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i might just try that now

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damn i already did lol

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        {
            class ReloadAnim
            {
                source = "reload";
                weapon = "uns_m1919_tripod";
            };
            class ReloadMagazine: ReloadAnim
            {
                source = "reloadmagazine";
            };
            class Revolving: ReloadAnim
            {
                source = "revolving";
            };
            class muzzle_rot: ReloadAnim
            {
                source = "ammorandom";
            };
            class zeroAnim: ReloadAnim
            {
                source = "zeroing1";
            };
        };```

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and model.cfg

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             {
                 type="rotation";
                 source="zeroAnim";
                 sourceAddress="clamp";
                 selection="rearsight";
                 axis="rearsight_axis";
                 minValue=0;
                 maxValue=0.1;
                 angle0="rad 0";
                 angle1="rad 90";
             };
            class OP_ROT2
             {
                 type="translation";
                 source="zeroAnim";
                 sourceAddress="clamp";
                 selection="rearsight2";
                 axis="rearsight2_axis";
                 minValue=0.1;
                 maxValue=1;
                offset0="0";
                offset1="1";
             };

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etc

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doesnt work

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all of the other new anim sources work in that vehicle

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and that anim works fine on a handheld weapon, using the raw source zeroing1 in the model.cfg

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i think zeroing1 is unique to player vehicles, but I may be wrong

narrow crow Mar 4, 2018, 12:04 PM

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@livid heath same for me (mk19 sight) on a car class.. its annoying that reload and all those works but not this one

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wondered if there was something else to use, like checking turret somehow

hot pine Mar 4, 2018, 12:23 PM

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zeroing was added for vehicles on devbranch but afaik it's still broken

livid heath Mar 4, 2018, 12:26 PM

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thanks! good to know

hard chasm Mar 4, 2018, 12:39 PM

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an m1919 ladder sight mounted on a willys jeep

might be relevant, maybe not. ladders[]= does not apply to p3d's with class=vehicle; (the simuation= is 'wrong')

livid heath Mar 4, 2018, 12:44 PM

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a ladder sight is a gunsight, that has a sighting part moving up a vertical "ladder"it's not a ladder as in the type of object you use to climb up a wall. sorry for confusion there 😉

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i'm struggling to get my houses to show up in Zeus

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i can see for example structures (tanoa)/ airport / airport control tower in zeus

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and it has scopecurator =2 and probaly its defined in the units = array in its relevant cfgpatches

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so my houses have the exact same setup but for some reason dont show up

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i have them listed, and i use preloadaddons list to load that pbo

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only the houses dont show up. objects seem to be ok

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all items show in editor

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just not in zeus

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isthere something unique to class house config entries and the way zeus handles them?

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https://i.imgur.com/jACHVRq.jpg

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some other items dontshow up either, like backpacks

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https://i.imgur.com/c6aMzEm.jpg

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you can see my preloadaddons is working

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the only thing non-standard i can think of, is that we have listed some items in units array but they may have only scope =2 and not scopecurator =2. i can try to locate and fix all instances of this.

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could that force an entire vehicleclass to fail to load in zeus?

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ok just managedto get some classes to show up for the firtst time. they were missing scopecurator =2

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but some classes, already set wit hthat value, are not showing up. investigating

untold temple Mar 4, 2018, 1:23 PM

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are they in the units[] array of cfgpatches?

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nvm, I just read above that they are indeed

livid heath Mar 4, 2018, 1:28 PM

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mystery solved. some of the classes had been changed by one of the team to Land_xx and in the units array they were still listed as xx

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changing them to the correct classnames resolved the issue

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i'm guessing from this that in order for zeus to correctly show your item:

make sure scope = 2; scopecurator =2;
make sure units[] has a full set of working classes listed with no mistakes/ scope 0 objects, or incorrect classnames
make sure your pbo cfgpatches class name is in preloadaddons list[] in cfgaddons

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and that's it

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easy enough to manage with a small addon but when you're editing 12gb of historical arma 2 content with 100+ authors, it can be easy to miss these key points lol

jade brook Mar 4, 2018, 1:35 PM

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Doesn't help that the whole system is convoluted and generally stupid.

hard chasm Mar 4, 2018, 1:54 PM

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what an insane situation to have to flood preloadAddons[] with one gazillion addon names.

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I mean would you bother being fussy about this? or would you simply add every god-damn addon you make to that list and move on to much more important things?

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btw @livid heath , pboProject would have automatically filled units[]= with the land_xx classes IF it can determine they are scope=2. either directly stated in the class, or in the inerited class(es)

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it will also remove any unit name that is not, actually declared in the config.

livid heath Mar 4, 2018, 2:00 PM

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really? that's very cool. and good to know thanks

hard chasm Mar 4, 2018, 2:01 PM

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same logic applies to weapons[]=

livid heath Mar 4, 2018, 2:02 PM

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for what it's worth, a lot of our users have asked us to try to fix the zeus menus, hence us adding the main addons to that list, and then troubleshooting the units array lists. my pboprject isn't changing the list i've manually created. i assume it doesn't automate if something is present?

hard chasm Mar 4, 2018, 2:03 PM

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it should, without fuss. unless you are using an extremely old version of he free tools.

livid heath Mar 4, 2018, 2:03 PM

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i use paid tools

hard chasm Mar 4, 2018, 2:03 PM

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ouch

livid heath Mar 4, 2018, 2:04 PM

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so yeah i just fixed one of the addons that i was building with pboproject. i manually removed some of the (manually added) classes and it now loads in zeus

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so pboproject wasn't automatically updating that list

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how recently did you add the feature? i havent updated for a few weeks

hard chasm Mar 4, 2018, 2:04 PM

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2 years

livid heath Mar 4, 2018, 2:05 PM

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hm, well it is not working then i guess

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for me anyway

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i don't mind though, as i like to use the units array for easy transposing to missions and classnames arrays

jade brook Mar 4, 2018, 2:05 PM

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CfgAddons is required for zeus, not only CfgPatches.

livid heath Mar 4, 2018, 2:06 PM

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yeah i listed that above commy bullet point 3

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those three points nail the zeus list problem, based on your help yesterday

hard chasm Mar 4, 2018, 2:06 PM

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the alogrithm for cfgPatches is:

it will unconditionally add a name IF that name is not there AND the name can be determined to be public
it will unconditionally remove a name that isn't actually present in the config.

livid heath Mar 4, 2018, 2:07 PM

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ok well that didnt work for me at all

hard chasm Mar 4, 2018, 2:07 PM

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Not intereseted in 'fixing' zeus, or cfgAddons. it's too messy to be troubled with (in code)

livid heath Mar 4, 2018, 2:08 PM

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only when i manually removed some missing classes, and manually renamedsome uns_house01 to Land_uns_house01 (to match the config) did the units list then populate in zeus

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pboproject 2.36

hard chasm Mar 4, 2018, 2:08 PM

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hmmm

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ok. wil check.

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thanks for feedback

livid heath Mar 4, 2018, 2:09 PM

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np. sounds like a neat feature to avoid this problem sneaking back in when another guy adds a config to our mod

hard chasm Mar 4, 2018, 2:09 PM

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absolutely

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in theory there is no need to state anything in units[]= the dll is supposed to rebuild it, no matter what.

livid heath Mar 4, 2018, 3:08 PM

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i think with a historical / large mod like unsung it has taken us a lot of time to get around to fixing zeus and 3den and al lthe other new fangled functionality

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typically because we never used it much, but now it has become nice and stable, we're using it frequently in our own ops

livid heath Mar 4, 2018, 4:14 PM

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posted the fix here for posterity

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https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/215209-fix-how-to-enable-your-items-to-list-in-zeus/

devout venture Mar 4, 2018, 9:10 PM

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Is weapon type handled by Editor category attribute? Like i.e. when you place down a box or a vehicle and go into its attributes to edit its inventory you have separate categories for assault rifles, pistols, machineguns and sniper rifles

untold temple Mar 4, 2018, 9:14 PM

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no, it's sorted by the type parameter

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primary, secondary or pistol

jade brook Mar 4, 2018, 9:18 PM

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It's sorted by really arbitrary details of the weapons config. For example, a primary weapon is considered a MachineGun if it uses the machine guns crosshair.

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The logic is defined in BIS_fnc_itemType.

hard chasm Mar 4, 2018, 11:29 PM

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@livid heath , nice explanation of a problem that is now increasingly raised in here.

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essentially, what you're saying is, if scopeCurator=anything, then a cfgAddons.preloadAddons is mandatory.

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i can automate the 'distributed way'

livid heath Mar 5, 2018, 1:22 AM

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np. yeah it's nice to crack an issue and see it resolved. given that 3den just loads stuff up its a shame that zeus can't somehow d othe same, but i do get it, it's the current version of the game and mission loading a certain number of pbos and unless your stuff is loaded zeus won't have access to it. in an ideal world zeus could have access to the "manifest" like 3den does, and then load up pbos as they become used by zeus. but i guess the game engine is more limited than that in terms of how it loads addons, i.e. at the beginning of a mission.

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which is why, on the face of it you're seeing two similar menus (3den and zeus) but two completely different behaviours

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wha twe discovered this weekend is also useful intel - like if you dupe an addon in the preload list, like having them distributed, but with one pbo listing multiple other instances, that overlaps wit hjthe other single entries, then your list wont be loaded.

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with no error report, you would only know when you go and look for the issue

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so now i'm going to have to go through all our pbos and folder by folder manuallyt check the units[] array is correct and functioning

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and then hey presto! those items will suddenly appear in zeus

hard chasm Mar 5, 2018, 3:50 AM

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just checked rebuilding units= and it's friend. it's working as intended. the documentation for it is in the readme. I quick test for you is to place a unit that doesn't actually exist. Then check that my dll actually removed it.

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shoud save you a bundle of time, going thru each config loooking for public classes

stoic lily Mar 5, 2018, 4:20 AM

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keep in mind that cfgAddons definition has downsides

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as such i wouldnt enforce it

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in general it should be used only by big total conversions like RHS, Unsung, SFP, etc

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(downside = it gets added to savegames and missions as requirement; in other words even if your mod isnt actually used, cfgAddons always enforces as dependency)

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best case BI would fix the Zeus coding, yet this is very unlikely to happen..

hard chasm Mar 5, 2018, 5:08 AM

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are you recomending that I do NOT generate a cfgAddons class IF scopeCurator is present? Is this because zeus itself might not be used for that mission?

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I think there's a catch22 here. if the addon contains zeus stuff, how would anyone know it WONT be used?

jade brook Mar 5, 2018, 8:32 AM

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it gets added to savegames and missions as requirement; in other words even if your mod isnt actually used, cfgAddons always enforces as dependency
Are you sure about this? The base game has a ton of patches preloaded that do not appear automatically in the addons[] array of the mission.sqm

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The only thing this affects is the activatedAddons SQF command as far as I can tell.

stoic lily Mar 5, 2018, 9:09 AM

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@commy2 💩#9913 yep quite sure. the code logic behind that is weird in itself, but A3 base game is no good reference here
whats worse once you have started to use it, you are forced to stick to it as otherwise you break backwards compatibility

in addition if you make a slight mistake, if removing an "obsolete" cfgPatches class, or make mistakes with units[] (duplication or oversight), you break loading of missions or savegames - MP seems even worse to SP

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activatedAddons is only relevant to MP from what i know - it essential has the same effect. it says what cfgPatches classes the player needs to have to be able to join the server (actually the currently running mission)

jade brook Mar 5, 2018, 9:53 AM

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but A3 base game is no good reference here
Why wouldn't it be?

whats worse once you have started to use it, you are forced to stick to it as otherwise you break backwards compatibility
Not really, no.

in addition if you make a slight mistake, if removing an "obsolete" cfgPatches class, or make mistakes with units[] (duplication or oversight), you break loading of missions or savegames
Repro?

activatedAddons is only relevant to MP from what i know
It influences zeus placable objects in SP and MP with no difference.

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Sounds like a lot of fear mongering to me.

hard chasm Mar 5, 2018, 11:04 AM

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each week there seens to be a blizzard of 'why doesn't zeus work'. The most effective summary of the 'why nots' was supplied by eggbeast. Based on that info, i'll provide an option in pboPro to 'enable zeus' properly. a) tha preloads are mandatory, no if's buts or maybes, and b) very few even know they're needed.

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bottom line here is if you're going to make your addon compatible to zeus, these lists are needed, if they clog the engine, they're still needed. So, don't use zeus at all, or live with the bullsh*t.

stoic lily Mar 5, 2018, 11:20 AM

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@commy2 💩#9913 nothing to do with "fear mongering" - all this is from practical experience since WGL (OFP), ACE, to PROPER mods, PvPscene tweaks and now IFA3
if you want a recent example, ask the KOTH guys how cfgAddons issues made their mission no longer loadable, or server admins using IFA3, or if BI messed up and SP savegames were no longer usable

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also preloadAddons is surely not always necessary for ZEUS as otherwise a lot more ppl would have whined it not working

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this is not to say there are conditions which assets not visible in ZEUS and cfgAddons helping to overcome it. still the underlying issue has to be different as otherwise there would have been a lot more problems

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like this workaround from BI

//--- No addons defined - use all preloaded addons by default
if (count _addons == 0) then {
    {
        _addons = _addons + getarray (_x >> "list");
    } foreach ((configfile >> "cfgaddons" >> "preloadaddons") call bis_fnc_returnChildren);
};
_addonsCount = count _addons;```

jade brook Mar 5, 2018, 11:26 AM

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I don't see any problems, just fear mongering.

hard chasm Mar 5, 2018, 11:34 AM

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idiot question: why use zeus at all? what does it do that the 3den editor can not?

grand zinc Mar 5, 2018, 11:35 AM

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React live to what the players do mid-mission

hard chasm Mar 5, 2018, 11:37 AM

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as in create or delete vehicles?

grand zinc Mar 5, 2018, 11:38 AM

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yep

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Like.. "Oh crap. Players are progressing too fast. Need to give them more enemies"

hard chasm Mar 5, 2018, 11:39 AM

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sounds like standard housekeeping loops in init.sqf would achieve same.

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no garantee of course that the vehicle they spawn is in fact in any addon at all., which is where zeus would be helpfull with it's requried addons in the misson.sqm. but, sound slike they've ball's it up.

grand zinc Mar 5, 2018, 11:42 AM

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My group mostly uses Zeus to create dynamic missions

hard chasm Mar 5, 2018, 11:42 AM

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ok.

grand zinc Mar 5, 2018, 11:42 AM

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No time for someone to sit In 3DEN for an hour to build something.
We build while the players are playing

hard chasm Mar 5, 2018, 11:44 AM

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i think you mean you apply newly built stuff while the mission is still in progress?

grand zinc Mar 5, 2018, 11:44 AM

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yea

hard chasm Mar 5, 2018, 11:45 AM

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that's useful, and obviously, MP.

grand zinc Mar 5, 2018, 11:45 AM

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Yeah. In SP I don't see much use for Zeus

stoic lily Mar 5, 2018, 1:05 PM

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you can also use Zeus vs AI in SP just fine

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ZEUS = gamemaster mode

hard chasm Mar 5, 2018, 1:54 PM

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well if somone decides auto creating cfgAddons.blah, is a 'good idea' (tm) I'll implement it. It's like trying to get cat's to cooperate in here 😎

livid heath Mar 5, 2018, 3:36 PM

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well @jade brook, @stoic lily raises some very good points, which we should consider carefully, i think. I can kind of understand his point. that if my mission now has list of requiredaddons based on the preloaded addons, then in future if i delete a redundant addon all my old missions will have that required addons listed. this is fixable if you dont bin your missions as you can manually edit the mission.sqm. but as BI set it to default binarize your missions when saving in the editor, most people won't have that option. and with 200pbos in our mod, it may be that forcing all 200 to load is a step too far, if it can be avoided

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re ZEUS, it is a good tool that manyt clans use in MP in their missions, which is why we ignored it for 2 years and only now are fixing the issues in unsung lol. we have asked other gamemodes to adopt unsung int otheir missions, and they won't if ZEUS doesn't work really well

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I guess the other issue @stoic lily raised is cross-contamination. i.e. if you load a vanilla, or, say RHS, mission, with unsung mod loaded and then without placing any unsung stuff in your mission, you save the mission. the mission will now require unsung mod, because it was all listed in preloadaddons - am i reading that right kju?

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as he says, that wouldn't be a deal breaker, as who would have unsung and RHS in a mission (only frankle maybe lol)

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but for other people who make a rifle mod, or a headgear mod, or a medical mod, etc assume you have tons of those loaded and you dont use much of them in your mission. the mission.sqm would only list the mods you placed parts of, in your mission in 3den. BUT if they all follow the "zeus-fix logic" i wrote up on the BI forum yesterday, then your mission.sqm would list ALL of your running mods (assuming they used preloadaddons) whether you placed an item from them in your mission or not. so, the net result is a considerable problems in mission /mod compatibility for the less gifted and talented arma users.

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does anyone from <@&105622502444711936> have a view to help us out here?

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this is a fairly serious issue that could do with a partial-at-least community consensus

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>in addition if you make mistakes with units[] (duplication or oversight), you break loading of missions or savegames i can see this happening, because preloadaddons would fail. but that would be a deal-breaker across your whole mod - meaning you have to find and fix it in your beta testing - basically if one item fails, everything fails to load, and your mission will spit an error missing "whatever item it comes to first in the mission.sqm" - thinking more on this actually it could be hard to locate the problem, as you might have 200 pbos to check (we use svn so could id the issue quickly in the logs, as we build and test almost daily). unless you use mikero tools to make your units[] arrays that is 😃

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to zeus or not to zeus...

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well, for us, we'll want to zeus.

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so is there any better way to achieve zeus compatibility ? the only other way to do it, is in EVERY mission using your mod,

place a game master module, synch it with manage addons module
2.place one item from each config class (1 usmc soldier, 1 army soldier, 1 nva soldier, 1 SEAL, 1 SOG, 1 pilot, 1 uh1, 1 ah1, 1 ch47 etc etc) and synch them to your manage addons module - tedious but once done, possible to copy and paste to each mission
make each unit simulation disabled and hide model

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so that's what i was trying to help people avoid doing.

jade brook Mar 5, 2018, 4:08 PM

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that if my mission now has list of requiredaddons based on the preloaded addons, then in future if i delete a redundant addon all my old missions will have that required addons listed.
But that is not what happens.

stoic lily Mar 5, 2018, 4:42 PM

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it definately happens with the 2d editor and savegames. maybe/likely Eden editor has different coding/system - if its really no longer an issue there.
and its also definately an issue for other conditions

jade brook Mar 5, 2018, 4:46 PM

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I want someone to test this, because none of the patches listed in CfgAddons from the base game appear in the mission.sqm's addon[] list, unless an object from the patch was actually placed in the mission.

mild axle Mar 5, 2018, 4:47 PM

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@stoic lily if you check the top of any mission sqm there is a value version 2d editor value is version=12; eden is version=53;

jade brook Mar 5, 2018, 4:48 PM

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Pretty sure he knows this.

mild axle Mar 5, 2018, 4:48 PM

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Well then its just information for everyone 😄

stoic lily Mar 5, 2018, 4:52 PM

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eden format has very different setup compared to old mission.sqm

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Can not load saved missions due to missing addons?
http://www.armaholic.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=17477

this is a classic case of save game not loading (that said hard to judge this case and OA vs CO added its own complexity - still this is what happens)

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how to locate missing addon files
https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/137626-how-to-locate-missing-addon-files/

this is the unable to load mission (as DS or not able to connect as player) (again this could have had other reasons but still is the standard behavior when such cfgAddons issues arise)

jade brook Mar 5, 2018, 5:08 PM

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Those threads are older than this game, let alone 3den.

stoic lily Mar 5, 2018, 5:08 PM

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as said i cannot speak for Eden

jade brook Mar 5, 2018, 5:08 PM

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Someone couldn't load a mission, therefore CfgAddons shouldn't be used. Somehow there's some steps missing here.

stoic lily Mar 5, 2018, 5:10 PM

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the only other thing i could see being a possibility is BI changed the requiredAddons enforcement with recent patches as they werent able to fix stuff like that:
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T121712

before this made you not able to load the mission as server admin

jade brook Mar 5, 2018, 5:11 PM

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That report has nothing to do with the posted warning message in there. That message appears for every dedicated server now and can be ignored. It has nothing to do with CfgAddons either.

hard chasm Mar 5, 2018, 5:40 PM

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i don't see changing a mission as relevant. it's well known (or should be) that irrespective of zeus, "addons stick like glue" even when you remove the units in the mission that causes that addon to be listed. this has been a mantra since ofp times.
zeus is not to blame here any more than standard mission,.sqm making, if you alter the units, alter the mission, all bets are off but the previousl listed addons remain.

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I don't want to intioduce the above as a complete wobbly to this discussion, but changing a mission should not be part of this.

jade brook Mar 5, 2018, 5:42 PM

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Someone should document what CfgAddons actually does.

hot pine Mar 5, 2018, 5:44 PM

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I got rhs loaded at work from time to time & saving missions in 3den with it doesn't cause any unwanted dependencies

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I guess it might differ if you are changing some vanilla addon

hard chasm Mar 5, 2018, 5:48 PM

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I am only aware of the old 2d editor which did not remove addons once listed, perhaps 3den is smarter, perhaps not. Based on what kju says, zeus editor is not smart enough to remove them either. My take on this is altering a mission at all is irrelevant to whether we have special problems with zeus, or not.

livid heath Mar 5, 2018, 5:49 PM

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i guess I can test this by loading up unsung beta and something of commys (got a link mate?)

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i will check that both cfgaddons\preloadaddons are listed in configviewer then i'll place one each of our items, and then check what happens to the mission.sqm dependency list

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sound like a plan?

hard chasm Mar 5, 2018, 5:50 PM

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indeed

livid heath Mar 5, 2018, 5:51 PM

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i can also then remove all of commys items, save the mission and then open it up and check its content

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might help us sort this out

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typically, while now all my houses show up in zeus, my backpacks still do not. vests, accessories and headgear show up fine. backpacks are a little special i know. anyone know if there's a reason the ywont show up? i've checked that 1. addon is preloaded, 2. each item has scopecurator =2; and 3. units[] array is populated correctly. I note also that vanilla zeus menu has all of the items like vests and headgear, weapons and accessories (i assume using the groundholder cfgvehicles classes) but it also lacks any backpacks

jade brook Mar 5, 2018, 6:04 PM

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@livid heath https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1200127537&searchtext=

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Backpacks have to be listed in units[], not weapons[]

livid heath Mar 5, 2018, 6:07 PM

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they are yeah

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stock ones dont show up in zeus either

jade brook Mar 5, 2018, 6:07 PM

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Well, then it's a bug with zeus.

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The groundweaponholder thingies could work for this if they show up for weapons and helmets already.

livid heath Mar 5, 2018, 6:10 PM

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although backpacks are already vehicles

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a groundholder is basically a vehicle class that contains a weapon in cargo. which enables a player to interact wit hit and pick up the weapon. so that works for accessories, items, glasses, headgear, uniforms, vests, and weaponry because all are class cfgweapons

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but a backpack is a cfgvehicle, like a car or house

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so you'd expect it to work out of the gate

jade brook Mar 5, 2018, 6:13 PM

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All vehicles, including ground weapon holders, have a backpack cargo. So just put the backpack into the groundweapon holders backpack cargo. Just like some ammo boxes that already contain backpacks. Like the FIA cache.

stoic lily Mar 5, 2018, 6:23 PM

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i think to recall it ignores weapon holders

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or special type of them

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i guess best way to find out is to read the ZEUS scripts

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its fully scripted, isnt it?

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(with some special curator sqf cmds)

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@dusk jungle do you make KOTH missions with Eden editor or still 2d editor based?

grand zinc Mar 5, 2018, 6:29 PM

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its fully scripted, isnt it? No

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(with some special curator sqf cmds) No

stoic lily Mar 5, 2018, 7:15 PM

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a3\functions_f_curator
this is Zeus source, isnt it?

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Curator
how are the/most curator sqf cmds relevant outside Zeus?

Curator

grand zinc Mar 5, 2018, 7:21 PM

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Yeah there are curator functions

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but that's not Zeus itself. Like the UI and stuff

jade brook Mar 5, 2018, 7:30 PM

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If there's an eventhandler called CuratorObjectRegistered, it already gives away that at least some parts are coded, not scripted.

wise tusk Mar 5, 2018, 7:57 PM

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Is there a fast way to show magazines "attached" to hardpoints?

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ok nvm I can use getCompatiblePylonMagazines command

livid heath Mar 5, 2018, 9:13 PM

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@jade brook All vehicles, including ground weapon holders, have a backpack cargo. So just put the backpack into the groundweapon holders backpack cargo. yeah i realised this when i was cooking earlier. i can just make a set of groundholders like we use for vests or uniforms and add them to backpackcargo. it's because they have this unique cargo format that the yneed special handling. i guess BI just never addressed it for their own packs.

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yet in other gamemodes akin to DayZ, you can run about finding packs in houses, so they are obviously useful to have.

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ok so experiment results follows:

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I placed a single vanilla unit in editor and saved the mission
mission.sqm reads 
addons[]=
{
    "A3_Characters_F"
};

I placed both an unsung and BWA unit and save it
addons[]=
{
    "A3_Characters_F",
    "bwa3_units",
    "uns_men_US_11ACR"
};

next i deleted the unsung unit and saved it
addons[]=
{
    "A3_Characters_F",
    "bwa3_units"
};
lastly i deleted the BWA unit and replaced the unsung one and saved it
addons[]=
{
    "A3_Characters_F",
    "uns_men_US_11ACR"
};

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so, 3den mission editor only lists the addons placed.

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as expected/ hoped

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I checked in config viewer and cfgaddons had a big list of addons for each of BWA and unsung

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meaning my game had preloaded them, they were just not forced int othe mission file

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@stoic lily does this help?

livid heath Mar 5, 2018, 10:17 PM

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ok yes adding an item_f clone in config vehicles with a backpack added to cargo loads fine and is useable in Zeus

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#define backpack_xx(a,b) class _xx_##a {backpack = a; count = b;}
class CfgVehicles 
{
    class Item_Base_F;
    class uns_bpack_gh_base: Item_Base_F
    {
        author="Unsung";
        scope = 0; scopeCurator = 0;
        editorCategory = "UNS_All_Obj";//EdCat_Equipment
        vehicleClass = "aa_uns_backpacks"; //Items;
        editorSubcategory = "aa_uns_backpacks";//EdSubcat_InventoryItems
        displayName = "Backpack";
        model = "\Uns_Backpacks\uns_backpack_generic.p3d";
        class TransportBackpacks
        {
            backpack_xx(uns_bpack_gh_base,1);
        };
    };
    class UNS_BA22_Para_gh: uns_bpack_gh_base
    {
        scope = 2; scopeCurator = 2;
        displayName = "(UNS) BA-22 Parachute";
        picture = "uns_backpacks\ui\icon_ba22_ca.paa";
        class TransportBackpacks
        {
            backpack_xx(UNS_BA22_Para,1);
        };
    };
//etc
};

fathom thorn Mar 6, 2018, 7:56 AM

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Hi awesome peoples

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Can houses have turrets?

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Or would I have to make them as individual turret objects and place/attach them?

livid heath Mar 6, 2018, 8:46 AM

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afaik a house class has no inheritance heritage to class mainturret. if you want say a bunker with an mg, you should probably make the whole thing as a class staticweapon

hot pine Mar 6, 2018, 8:48 AM

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static weapons use tankx simulation 😛

fathom thorn Mar 6, 2018, 9:01 AM

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alright thanks

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maybe Ill just attach staticweapon objects to my building

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since Im having turrets pointing in all directions

stoic lily Mar 6, 2018, 9:20 AM

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we had to disable tankX for static weapons as it was causing too much issues

livid heath Mar 6, 2018, 9:25 AM

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ohhh is this why our artillery pieces are now flying around? a tank change causing unreasonable recoil?

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i was about to dive into that

hot pine Mar 6, 2018, 9:25 AM

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no

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it is muzzleImpulseCoef thing that was added to magazines

livid heath Mar 6, 2018, 9:26 AM

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ahhh thanks i'll go fix it

hot pine Mar 6, 2018, 9:26 AM

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/CfgMagazines_Config_Reference#muzzleImpulseFactor.3D1

CfgMagazines Config Reference

livid heath Mar 6, 2018, 9:30 AM

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is that dev branch only as an array?

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// muzzleImpulseFactor[]={0,0};
muzzleImpulseFactor=0;

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i recall addign that to my Cobra GL with your help before, but not as an array

hot pine Mar 6, 2018, 9:31 AM

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no, it is on stable

livid heath Mar 6, 2018, 9:34 AM

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thanks!

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@hot pine thanks that fixed the issue on our static artillery pieces. would it be theoretically possible to use it on those items to create a small recoil effect? with say a 0.01 value or something? or it that asking for trouble?

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they all have physX lods

hot pine Mar 6, 2018, 9:52 AM

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I'm using it with small recoil on some arty pieces or mortars

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it's dependent on the mass and geo so you need to be careful with it

livid heath Mar 6, 2018, 10:09 AM

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ok thanks

abstract plover Mar 6, 2018, 3:57 PM

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what is the basic difference between Car and Car_F? Same for Tank and Tank_F?

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I'm trying to find all vehicles that could be used by player near some position with nearEntities

cursive thorn Mar 6, 2018, 4:41 PM

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Maybe LandVehicle. Can't remember exactly.

livid heath Mar 6, 2018, 5:04 PM

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Car is the old base class, and Car_F is the new one. so generally car has simulation = "car" and car_F has simulation = "CarX" which means it uses physx

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if people are still using the old simulation types, they're insane. as for a start they are unsupported in 64 bit libraries.

jade brook Mar 6, 2018, 6:22 PM

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So is it fair to say that Car_F is to Car what ThingX is to Thing?

wise tusk Mar 6, 2018, 6:23 PM

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Is there a wiki page about plane flight model?

livid heath Mar 6, 2018, 6:56 PM

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@jade brook not sure as we have a lot of Things in ourmod and they cause no issues

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but if you have one car without carX sim on it, say goodbye to your game/ server.

jade brook Mar 6, 2018, 7:06 PM

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Yeah, some base game assets are Thing. Probably because PhysX on everything would be a waste. But I think all vehicles use PhysX. They probably dropped support for the A2 simulations at some point.

livid heath Mar 6, 2018, 8:29 PM

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Yes when 64 bit was developed. Unsung began crashing every time a player mounted a car

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We submitted crash logs and bi fed back that 64 bit was not supporting the old simulation types

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We spent about 6 months fixing the mod because of that

livid heath Mar 7, 2018, 12:04 PM

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ok another conundrum for the day. for a while i've wrestled wit hthis problem

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https://i.imgur.com/jDa7a8W.jpg

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i'm thinking that i must be inheriting some old picture format system in the config from my rifle base, or the attachments base in my configs

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class PointerSlot : SlotInfo
{
     linkProxy = "\A3\data_f\proxies\weapon_slots\SIDE";
      displayName = "$STR_A3_PointerSlot0";
      compatibleItems[] += {"vn_b_type56"}; //use += to add a class to the stock array
    iconPicture = "";
};

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so, what would be the correct way t oconfigure the attchment to avoid it trying to add in these old _x format textures? does anyone know?

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notice how it's adding the _x into the title of the file?

hot pine Mar 7, 2018, 12:13 PM

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#define ICON_OVERLAY_DISABLED \
    iconPosition[] = {0,0};\
    iconScale = 1.0;\
    iconPicture = \A3\Weapons_F\Data\clear_empty.paa;\
    iconPinPoint = Left;```

📎 rhs_jointRails.h

jade brook Mar 7, 2018, 12:15 PM

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The x is added meaning no attachment.

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Searching for the doc, but can't find it <.<

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This is basically the route you should go: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Weapon_Config_Guidelines#Inventory_icons_overlay_method

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And the x is required in the icon path.

hot pine Mar 7, 2018, 12:17 PM

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_2_Weapon_to_Arma_3#Inventory_Icons you were looking for this?

Arma 2 Weapon to Arma 3

jade brook Mar 7, 2018, 12:18 PM

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Yeah, but this is the old method.

livid heath Mar 7, 2018, 12:18 PM

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thanks rey, implemented

livid heath Mar 7, 2018, 1:23 PM

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any idea why it has no effect on the launcher weapon?

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https://imgur.com/IX1Q65g

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If there is no slot with positive value of iconScale property, the game falls back to old behaviour

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i set it to 1, 0 and -1 and the same behaviour happens

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completely removing those enbtries, to match stock BI weapons like this

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        class WeaponSlotsInfo
        {
            allowedSlots[] = {};
             mass = 100;
        };

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also the popup still happens

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so strange

wintry tartan Mar 7, 2018, 1:46 PM

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How can I give shortcuts a command of context menu of 3DEN?

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{
    text = "Show animation from clipboard";
    action = "((uiNamespace getVariable 'bis_fnc_3DENEntityMenu_data') select 1) switchMove copyFromClipboard";
    conditionShow = "hoverObject";
    shortcuts[] = {"512 + 0x22"};
};

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Not working for me

wintry tartan Mar 7, 2018, 3:34 PM

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It's now working by adding same command in the menu bar with a shortcut...

tender folio Mar 8, 2018, 12:26 AM

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Is there a way to disable the BIS Freefall function that runs whenever a player is > 100m in the air

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I remember people talking about it a couple years back but i dont think anyone figured it out

cursive talon Mar 8, 2018, 12:39 AM

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Say I wanted to make a grenade launcher compatible with ACE's HuntIR 40mm grenade, how would I go about doing this? Making a compatibility between two underslung grenade launchers so they can share the same ammunition

tender folio Mar 8, 2018, 12:41 AM

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yes basically

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stby

cursive talon Mar 8, 2018, 12:44 AM

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Nvm, found out ACE had the process available on their Framework site.

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Thank you though.

tender folio Mar 8, 2018, 12:44 AM

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ah yeah lol thats what i was gonna paste

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just couldnt find it in time

cursive talon Mar 8, 2018, 12:45 AM

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Haha, cheers though.

past marsh Mar 8, 2018, 1:50 AM

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Have you tried switching animation scorch?

tender folio Mar 8, 2018, 3:45 AM

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well thats only a temporary solution

livid heath Mar 8, 2018, 10:00 AM

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we're attempting to move to png for picture image sources for weapons due to how compact they are. apparently they should work ok in game. does anyone know if this is true? and secondly, i can't seem to get pboproject to pack the addon. it keeps failing saying it failed to convert the png to paa. is there a custom setting in the tool i should be using? anyone know what format of png i should use? currently it is 1024x768 and 72dpi. have tried to edit the options but it doesn't seem to help.

livid heath Mar 8, 2018, 10:40 AM

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FIXED - they need to be 8bit not 16bit. sorted

livid heath Mar 8, 2018, 1:35 PM

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ok next conundrum of the day:

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so BI mines appear in Zeus menu, but not in 3den menu. My mines, which inherit from BI mines but have a few changes, appear in 3den but do not appear in zeus.

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BI mines work in zeus

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my mines work in 3den

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so, i compared the cfgvehicles version of the BI mine and my mine. and BI mines are side =4. If I change my mines to side =3, they now show up in Zeus but do not activate.

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but they stil lwork in 3den

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DESIRED: I'd ideally like my mines (and perhaps BI mines too) to show up both in 3den and zeus menus, and be placeable, detectable and detonate in both scenarios.

jade brook Mar 8, 2018, 1:39 PM

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Make two classes. One for zeus, one for 3den. ?

livid heath Mar 8, 2018, 1:39 PM

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that is such a good idea. although the interaction between the cfgvehicles class and the magazines and ammo is a little murky.

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do you have any new mines in BWA?

jade brook Mar 8, 2018, 1:42 PM

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https://git.koffeinflummi.de/bwmod-team/bwa3-public/blob/master/bwa3_explosives/CfgVehicles.hpp

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DM31 AT is a mine. But this is the single classname in the mod not made by me. No idea if it shows up in 3den or zeus.

livid heath Mar 8, 2018, 1:43 PM

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ok thanks, will explore

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thank you @jade brook that solved my issue completely 😃

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so i can now have BI mines placeable in editor and zeus too, though i'm not pursuing that as we don't use them in vietnam era

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somebody may want to make a patch though i guess

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i wonder why BI didn't implement it?

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maybe AI cant detect them or always detect them or something...

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must be a reason

jade brook Mar 8, 2018, 1:57 PM

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What did you do? Make two classes or zeus and 3den?

hard chasm Mar 8, 2018, 2:13 PM

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in ofp times only an 'engineer' or 'mechanic' could detect them. maybe still applies

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or perhaps i got that wrong and they are the only ones who could disarm them.

livid heath Mar 8, 2018, 2:14 PM

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two classes yes

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mines have config entries now governing how detectable they are

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we have extremely hard to detect punji traps, with about 50cm grace from detection to triggering, to enforce walking in the forest 😃

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you need a trapkit (our clone of the BI mine detector) to detect traps, and a toolkit to disable them

hot pine Mar 8, 2018, 2:48 PM

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vanilla mines are available both in 3den and zeus

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maybe you are overwritting some vanilla configs?

junior anvil Mar 8, 2018, 3:21 PM

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Didn’t get answer in scripting
So will try here as its a config thing aswell

how can i make the tracks on verhicles are invisible
tried

AA_7 animate ["Track_R",0];```
an when doing animationSourcePhase gives me that value back in game
but they still show

any one know what animation state the tracks need to be in ?

jade brook Mar 8, 2018, 3:26 PM

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Tracks cannot be made invisible afaik.

past marsh Mar 8, 2018, 3:26 PM

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setObjectTextureGlobal might do it, though I’m not sure

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Might also screw with other things if it does

jade brook Mar 8, 2018, 3:28 PM

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I don't recall a single vanilla asset that has a selection for just the tracks.

past marsh Mar 8, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Yeah, you’d probably have to make it invisible through a custom texture

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Though I’m not sure if that can be done from mission file

hot pine Mar 8, 2018, 3:51 PM

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on devbranch you can set hitpoint damage on track to make them disappear

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maybe with simple object you can hide them

jade brook Mar 8, 2018, 3:53 PM

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That'd still need an animation.

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Ah, forgot hideSelection is a thing.

fathom thorn Mar 8, 2018, 4:38 PM

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Dont regular hide animations work on tracks?

jade brook Mar 8, 2018, 4:41 PM

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No.

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animate only works on "regular" (user) animations, and there are none for tracks.

regal gate Mar 8, 2018, 5:28 PM

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/hideSelection
« Only seems to work for objects created with createSimpleObject, and will only work for certain selections. »

livid heath Mar 8, 2018, 7:18 PM

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reyhard - Today at 2:48 PM vanilla mines are available both in 3den and zeus maybe you are overwritting some vanilla configs? i tested it in editor with no mods running - just vanilla. BI mines don't show up in the things\mines menu

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can anyone else confrm?

autumn crater Mar 9, 2018, 12:08 AM

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does anyone know if shotcount = X works in A3 for shotguns?

tender folio Mar 9, 2018, 12:11 AM

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doesnt seem to from my tests but that was a year or so ago

autumn crater Mar 9, 2018, 12:12 AM

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damn :c

tender folio Mar 9, 2018, 12:15 AM

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i think it would be worth experimenting with but yeah i had no luck

past marsh Mar 9, 2018, 12:25 AM

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I thought I read something about shotgun weapon types not being supported anymore

tender folio Mar 9, 2018, 12:33 AM

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they definitely still work

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there just isn't a ton of control

livid heath Mar 9, 2018, 2:16 AM

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we have about 10 shotguns including a 40mm grenade launcher buckshot, and a 155mm tank with canister rounds

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all work great

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but the number of pellets don't seem to change

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i think it is fixed at 7

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so our canister is basically 7 he mini-rounds

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to simulate flechette effect

tender folio Mar 9, 2018, 2:20 AM

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same with ours lol

livid heath Mar 9, 2018, 2:23 AM

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the buckshot spread works perfectly though, yo ucan see it impacting and it's a very nice effect

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so idk why people say BI doesn't support shotguns. we've not had any significant trouble implementing them

tender folio Mar 9, 2018, 2:33 AM

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yeah like said they work just not much control

hot pine Mar 9, 2018, 11:14 AM

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you can always use submunition for that

jade brook Mar 9, 2018, 12:12 PM

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This is a tank gun, but it should work the same for a rifle really. https://git.koffeinflummi.de/bwmod-team/bwa3/blob/master/bwa3_vehicleweapons/CfgAmmo.hpp#L70-75
shotSubmunitions ammo with triggerTime 0. Apparently this creates 200 projectiles, which scares me and I somehow doubt it actually creates that many oO

unkempt jewel Mar 9, 2018, 12:18 PM

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the only issue with shotguns are animations afaik. the fact that it needs some workaround to make it work somehow

jade brook Mar 9, 2018, 12:20 PM

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Yeah, but that is true for all manually operated weapons.

unkempt jewel Mar 9, 2018, 12:24 PM

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yes

livid heath Mar 9, 2018, 4:16 PM

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our canister rounds cause even seasoned vets to run for the hills. they are truly horrific

strange egret Mar 9, 2018, 8:39 PM

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i just noticed that HE rounds (tried the Nyx 20mm) do not produce explosion effects when they bounce anymore... yay

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havent tested if they still do explosive damage when they bounce though

fathom thorn Mar 9, 2018, 11:37 PM

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Hi guys. Im trying to add a simple ladder to my house. I added this to my house object:
ladders[] = {{"Ladder_1_start","Ladder_1_end",2.5,"Ladder_1_action"}};
and placed the mempoints accordingly, but the climb action never shows up

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anything Im forgetting?

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I also added the geometry and roadway lods, same as pierladder_f.p3d

brave root Mar 10, 2018, 4:09 AM

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@fathom thorn never done ladders before, but where are you putting ladders[] = {{"Ladder_1_start","Ladder_1_end",2.5,"Ladder_1_action"}}; Config? Model config? If I'm not mistaken I'm pretty sure you need to setup your selections (Ladder_1_start, Ladder_1_end) in the skeleton selections for your model in the model.cfg in order for it to recognise those selections. Reason why I suggest this is because you need to do this for other stuff such as hiddenSelectionTextures = [];

undone quiver Mar 10, 2018, 8:29 AM

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Question how does config overwriting work in Arma 3?

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Like lets say I wanted to write a mod that changed up the magazines of a certain vehicle from vanilla

jade brook Mar 10, 2018, 8:35 AM

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Find which config patch (CfgPatches sub-class) the original config is from and put that into requiredAddons of your patch.

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Then recreate the inheritance tree of the class you want to change.

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And finally overwrite the config entries with the new values you want.

undone quiver Mar 10, 2018, 8:39 AM

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Does load order matter on the mods?

fathom thorn Mar 10, 2018, 8:55 AM

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@brave root yes I did all that, just like a vanilla ladder is setup

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Do they need to be in the skeleton too? They are just non-moving mempoints

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I dont indent to change its textures, so hiddenSelectionTextures Im not using in this case

jade brook Mar 10, 2018, 9:07 AM

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Sabre One, No.

brave root Mar 10, 2018, 9:10 AM

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@fathom thorn I used hiddenSelectionTextures as an example, but I’m pretty sure you still need to define the selections in the skeleton the model is using.

fathom thorn Mar 10, 2018, 10:10 AM

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No they dont need to be in the skeleton in order to be used by the config. HiddenSelectionTextures needs to be in sections. Other mempoints dont need to be in the skeleton either

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As far as I know, skeleton only need the bones you want to use for animations

livid heath Mar 10, 2018, 11:13 AM

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    class LAND_UNS_Fuelpump: LAND_UNS_FuelDepot
    {
        scope = 2; scopeCurator = 2;
        displayName = "Fuel Pump";
        model = "\UNS_Buildings\west_buildings\CSJPet8_pump.p3d";
        icon = "\uns_icons\house.paa";
        ladders[] = {{ "start","end" }};
    };

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that is all that is needed, with two memory points in the memory lod of the model, in this case, "start" and "end". Placement of the points (relative to each other) is important. as it governs the direction that the player faces when he mounts the ladder.

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/CfgVehicles_Config_Reference#ladders

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I've never seen the additional number and action in a ladders array. is that something new and undocumented?

fathom thorn Mar 10, 2018, 11:22 AM

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Yeah maybe. Its from the devbuild

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I dont get the "climb ladder" action. I would think I needed 1 more point for direction, but the vanilla ladders just have 1 on the bottom and 1 at the top

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When I debinarized the vanilla ladders, they too have just these two points. Does that mean it doesnt matter which direction I face the ladder?

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@livid heath my bad... since I was using the devbuild approach, it ofc didnt work on the current build

livid heath Mar 10, 2018, 12:40 PM

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"Placement of the points (relative to each other) is important. as it governs the direction that the player faces when he mounts the ladder."

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so the lower one is towards the back of the player when he is climbing, relative to the upper one which is towards the front of the player when he is climbing.

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the direction he faces is auto-calculated from the relative direction from start (bottom) to end (top)

hot pine Mar 10, 2018, 12:48 PM

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https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/140837-development-branch-changelog/?do=findComment&comment=3236833
ladders[] = {{"Ladder_1_start","Ladder_1_end",2.5,"Ladder_1_action"},{"Ladder_2_start","Ladder_2_end",2.5,"Ladder_2_action"},{"Ladder_3_start","Ladder_3_end",2.5,"Ladder_3_action"}};

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{ladder start pos, ladder end pos, action radius, name of component in geometry lod}

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wiki update in progress 😉

fathom thorn Mar 10, 2018, 1:38 PM

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ok thanks guys

cursive talon Mar 11, 2018, 2:20 AM

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I'm wishing to make a 7.62mm Armor Piercing round capable of penetrating 30mm of RHA at 100m in Arma/ACE (M948 Sub-caliber ball ammunition, freaky shit).
How exactly do I make a round armor piercing?

strange egret Mar 11, 2018, 2:50 AM

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Damage_Description

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caliber property of ammo defines penetration

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/CfgAmmo_Config_Reference#caliber
^ just noticed that this has been missing before

junior bane Mar 11, 2018, 11:39 AM

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its possible to make a flag on terrain builder and the anim work?
or can i make a script to place the flag automatical in eden? idea?

vanilla flag

cursive talon Mar 11, 2018, 12:45 PM

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Alright, so I'm using RHS BTR-70 as a benchmark. If I use caliber 3.9 it does nothing at all to the front or sides of it, if I use 4 it absolutely destroys everything, engine, gunner, driver.

hearty sandal Mar 11, 2018, 12:50 PM

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@junior bane #arma3_terrain might be better suited for that but you should just test if a flag works as TB palced object and yes you can make a script that places the flag too if TB placed flag does not work.

livid heath Mar 11, 2018, 12:51 PM

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yeah penetration is gonna cause strange behaviour when using modded vehicles, as most modders don't do their armor properly. I imagine RHS is a much closer candidate to vanilla, than most other mods. maybe try on other mods too, and you'll see all kinds of weird and random effects. 😉

#

when you look at a lot of vehicle mods out there, their damage models are probably not up to basic spec. i know in unsung mod ours are shite.

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i'm slowly overhauling them but it's a task we do in parallel to many others, and with tanks dlc changes dropping in all the time we're waiting to work them over fully.

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i think damaging the engine so the vehicle doesn't start rather than it passing on to the rest of the vehicle and the whole thing exploding would be very cool. just not sure the game engine supports that.

hot pine Mar 11, 2018, 12:54 PM

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caliber is responsible only for penetration

#

where hit is responsible for damage

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if it deson't penetrate then it doesn't do damage in RHS

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in vanilla you have overall hitpoints configured to receive damage no matter if penetration occurred or not so it's way more different comparing to RHS

livid heath Mar 11, 2018, 12:56 PM

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interesting!

junior bane Mar 11, 2018, 12:59 PM

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@hearty sandal yeah, the flag doesnt work placed in terrain builder. The mast is placed, but not the proxy (flag).
my idea was with createvehicle in config or some alternative. but i dont know how it worked.
i try with position and createvehicle of flag in eventhandler from a another object with the config - dont worked. placed with object with eden - the flag spawned on the position...

livid heath Mar 11, 2018, 1:01 PM

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you can try making it a LAND_myflag class

#

and adding in a few things to the properties

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not sure what's best - class flag? map something? placement vertical

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you need to make sure the config is read by the terrain builder - so LAND_myclass and properties like class house make a difference

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i've seen some buildings work with proxies and others not. never had to understand it though... yet.

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and i nthe config animated =1;

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need to manage autocenter values in both flagpole and flag carefully so they appear correctly

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sorry for being vague. might put you on the right path

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flags are pretty unique, as they have special simulation.

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        class SimpleObject
        {
            animate[] = 
            {
                { "Flag",0 }
            };
            hide[] = {};
            verticalOffset = 0;
        };

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i have that in my config which patches Flag_US_F //FlagCarrierCore

junior anvil Mar 11, 2018, 2:49 PM

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Just can’t find what animation name is linked to the tigris threats
Any one have an idea?...trying to hide them ...with tank DLC we get “spare” treats so idea so make it look broken down

junior bane Mar 11, 2018, 2:58 PM

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@livid heath: i cant add names in property. its vanilla flag. ^^

livid heath Mar 11, 2018, 3:49 PM

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oh ok and what it won't be placeable in a terrain and work? are there any working flags in tanoa/ altis etc?

spice plaza Mar 11, 2018, 3:54 PM

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Hey guys. I have a question about gunship sights. When playing as the gunner on a Blackfish, there is a CCIP pip. Usually the CCIP pip is off-screen which is pretty useless. Is there a way to align the weapon and sight so that rounds hit the center crosshairs?

untold temple Mar 11, 2018, 4:08 PM

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They're adding FCS to it on dev branch, so shouldn't really be an issue in future

spice plaza Mar 11, 2018, 4:13 PM

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Ah, okay. Cheers.

lilac fern Mar 11, 2018, 5:06 PM

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hey, I got a quick question.
I want to replace the sounds of a weapon. It should be a new addon, I dont wanna touch the original weapon pbo. So I need to make a replacement config, here is what I need help with.
Lets say the original weapon classname is Weapon_A_variant_1 and Weapon_A_variant_2, the base class from which both of them inherit is Weapon_A_base then I need to do something like this right?:

    class Weapon_A_base
    class MyReplacement: Weapon_A_base {
        resound parameters
    };
};```

Is this correct? I don't have to touch the actual classnames of the different variants right?

hearty sandal Mar 11, 2018, 5:44 PM

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yes that would create a new variant of the weapon

junior anvil Mar 11, 2018, 11:53 PM

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Just can’t find what animation name is linked to the tigris tank threats (or any verhicle )
Any one have an idea?...trying to hide them ...with tank DLC we get “spare” treats so idea so make it look broken down

livid heath Mar 12, 2018, 12:34 AM

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do you mean "treads" or "tracks"?

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a threat is when someone points a gun at you and growls

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and a treat is when someone gives you a candy bar

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wheelL and wheelR move the wheels. and damper makes them move up and down, along with part of the track

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i'm not sure what magic works on the tracks themselves. as it is often inherited from the base tank, and not specified in the model.cfg / vehicle config, certainly not in our mod anyway sorry.

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the visual selection is called pasoffsetL and pasoffsetP on the tracks

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I imagine some magic happens on those sections, like the texture is animated round and round

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you could add a hide anim for those. it might work out

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although you'd need to add those "sections" as bones, and that could be a bit of a chore to work out (as they contain a lot of small fiddly bones like podkolol1-8 and podkolop1-8 etc.

junior anvil Mar 12, 2018, 7:23 AM

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Thanx
Will try that

undone quiver Mar 12, 2018, 9:03 AM

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Can you have multiple types of flares? For vehicles?

hot pine Mar 12, 2018, 9:07 AM

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yes

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but all of them will be using same memory points

sullen fulcrum Mar 12, 2018, 7:50 PM

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Hey, can anyone help? https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/215358-disabling-random-headgear-for-unit-in-config/?tab=comments#comment-3275912

half ocean Mar 12, 2018, 7:56 PM

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Isn't there a type that can be defined for nothing?

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NOGlasses?

grand zinc Mar 12, 2018, 7:56 PM

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Explain

half ocean Mar 12, 2018, 7:57 PM

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@sullen fulcrum

grand zinc Mar 12, 2018, 7:58 PM

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You mean if there is a classname that contains a invisible item. No.

sullen fulcrum Mar 12, 2018, 7:59 PM

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I just looked through the wiki and found something

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headgearList[] =

half ocean Mar 12, 2018, 7:59 PM

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nevermind he already put it in

sullen fulcrum Mar 12, 2018, 7:59 PM

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could it be this line I'm missing?

half ocean Mar 12, 2018, 8:02 PM

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identityTypes[] = {"NoGlasses", "LanguagePER_F", "Head_Persian", "G_IRAN_default"};

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try - identityTypes[] = {"NoGlasses",0,"LanguagePER_F",0,"Head_Persian",0,"G_IRAN_default",0};

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discord kind of fucked it up but here

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Characters_And_Gear_Encoding_Guide#Facewear_configuration

sullen fulcrum Mar 12, 2018, 8:03 PM

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All right, I will try it in a moment

half ocean Mar 12, 2018, 8:05 PM

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Without the values ("O" in this case, it can be set to a higher number for frequency), then it's probably default to a random number.

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0 will disable the frequency, meaning no randomization.

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pertaining to the identity type

sullen fulcrum Mar 12, 2018, 8:10 PM

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I tried your tweak, but it still gives random facewear

half ocean Mar 12, 2018, 8:22 PM

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Unsure, then.

sullen fulcrum Mar 12, 2018, 8:27 PM

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When I added facewear = "";
allowedfacewear[] = {""}; to config bandanas, balaclavas etc don't spawn anymore

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but goggles still do

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what would be parameter for goggles?

sullen fulcrum Mar 12, 2018, 8:52 PM

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Turns out all those goggles were from US Forces 2000's mod and without it facewear doesn't randomize anymore

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thanks for trying to help guys

wise tusk Mar 14, 2018, 12:17 AM

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On what basis, the condition="bomb"; in class MFD knows that selected weapon is of bomb type?

untold temple Mar 14, 2018, 12:23 AM

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weaponType category in cfgAmmo probably

wise tusk Mar 14, 2018, 12:25 AM

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@untold temple could that be obtained via SQF?

untold temple Mar 14, 2018, 12:26 AM

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getText I guess

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wise tusk Mar 14, 2018, 12:28 AM

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hmm never used getText, could that be ussed with currentWeapon? So it will return true for example if selected weapon is atmissile

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@untold temple returning value from cfgAmmo weaponType seem to result in "Default"

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:/

untold temple Mar 14, 2018, 12:39 AM

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how are you finding the current ammo classname?

wise tusk Mar 14, 2018, 12:40 AM

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via currentMagazine

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but I checked in config viewer , and in all entries in cfgAmmo there seem to be weaponType="Default"

untold temple Mar 14, 2018, 12:47 AM

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ah right, then it's determining it from the simulation type

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which endstar mentions in the above

wise tusk Mar 14, 2018, 12:49 AM

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ah that's how

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Thank you very much :>

untold temple Mar 14, 2018, 12:50 AM

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but I think the simulation checks are quite complex. Since both rockets and missiles are shotmissile, it must determine it from various things like locking characteristics

wise tusk Mar 14, 2018, 12:51 AM

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Yeah I just checked that :/

untold temple Mar 14, 2018, 12:59 AM

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So not sure if there's a command to return the which "weapongroup" the current munition belongs to. I guess the MFD "condition" and keyboard controls for switching between guns, bombs, rocket groups etc. is all engine side. Perhaps @bold tapir can say for certain

wise tusk Mar 14, 2018, 1:02 AM

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Too bad there is no way to somehow set value in class MFD , so that it can be referenced in SQF

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Or actually no, I can do that

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What I can do is, in class MFD create simple condition, it it is true, it will draw text saying "Something" somewhere, and reference to that via getText

last rapids Mar 14, 2018, 1:59 AM

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Yo, can someone give me a good tutorial or example on who to take existing stuff

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and make a new unit / faction out of it.

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I am just wanting to take some TYRK clothing, and RHS weapons, and combine it into a new group of units.

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I would like to define some groups too.

spice harness Mar 14, 2018, 11:42 AM

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Hello, got a quick question i am creating a new faction and they don't seem to want to spawn with their Uniform even though i named the class correct " uniformClass = bla_bla_uniform_something"; but his spawns perfectly with the backpack.

grand zinc Mar 14, 2018, 11:49 AM

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Doesn't look that correct to me though. bla_bla seems unlikely to be a valid classname

half ocean Mar 14, 2018, 11:52 AM

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lol

spice harness Mar 14, 2018, 11:52 AM

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good one

half ocean Mar 14, 2018, 11:54 AM

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so

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more details

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?

spice harness Mar 14, 2018, 11:56 AM

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class CfgVehicles
{
class B_Soldier_base_F;
class VC_Rifleman: B_Soldier_base_F
{
side=0;
faction="Vietcong";
backpack="rhs_sidor";
vehicleclass="Vietcong_Infantry";
author="Wolf";
_generalMacro="VC_Rifleman";
scope=2;
displayName="Rifleman";
identityTypes[] = {"Head_Asian","LanguageENG_F","G_GUERIL_default"};
uniformClass = "rhs_uniform_m88_patchless";

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weapons[]=
{
"rhs_weap_akmn",
"",
"Throw",
"Put"
};
respawnWeapons[]=
{
"rhs_weap_akmn",
"",
"Throw",
"Put"
};
magazines[]=
{
"mag_10(hlc_30Rnd_762x39_b_ak)",
"mag_2(HandGrenade)"
};
respawnMagazines[]=
{
"mag_10(hlc_30Rnd_762x39_b_ak)",
"mag_2(HandGrenade)"
};
cost=300000;
threat[]={1,0.700000,0.300000};
linkedItems[]=
{
"rhs_uniform_m88_patchless",
"rhsgref_M56",
"ItemMap",
"ItemCompass",
"ItemWatch",
"ItemRadio",
"ACE_fieldDressing",
2,
"ACE_morphine",
1
};
respawnLinkedItems[]=
{
"rhs_uniform_m88_patchless",
"rhsgref_M56",
"ItemMap",
"ItemCompass",
"ItemWatch",
"ItemRadio"
};
model="\A3\Characters_F\BLUFOR\b_soldier_01.p3d";
camouflage=1.600000;
hiddenSelections[]=
{
"camo"
};
HiddenSelectionsTextures[]=
{
};
};
};

half ocean Mar 14, 2018, 11:57 AM

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oh god

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never again

spice harness Mar 14, 2018, 11:57 AM

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lol

grand zinc Mar 14, 2018, 11:58 AM

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Are you sure your linkedItems array works that way? the last 4 entries look wrong.

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For one numbers are not classnames. Second these ACE Items are not items that would normally be linked

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For uniform you probably need the CfgVehicles classname. Not the CfgWeapons one

spice harness Mar 14, 2018, 11:59 AM

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well he spawns with his helmet

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so that seems liked probley

grand zinc Mar 14, 2018, 11:59 AM

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Did you read what I wrote?

half ocean Mar 14, 2018, 12:00 PM

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Yeah cfgvehicles

grand zinc Mar 14, 2018, 12:00 PM

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the last 4 entries look wrong.
Your answer The second one from top works though

spice harness Mar 14, 2018, 12:00 PM

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didnt you mean the linked items ?

grand zinc Mar 14, 2018, 12:01 PM

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Yes.. I did

spice harness Mar 14, 2018, 12:01 PM

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and i the helmet is not called until it goes to the linked items

grand zinc Mar 14, 2018, 12:01 PM

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How is that in any way relevant to what I told you? ^^

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I said the ACE items and uniform are wrong. And you answered "But the helmet works".

spice harness Mar 14, 2018, 12:03 PM

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so they should be added under the CFGVehicles class

grand zinc Mar 14, 2018, 12:03 PM

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Uniform in LinkedItems is also wrong. See https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/ArmA_3_Replacement_Config_Tutorial#Preparing_the_addon

spice harness Mar 14, 2018, 12:04 PM

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well check that one out

grand zinc Mar 14, 2018, 12:05 PM

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More reference https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Characters_And_Gear_Encoding_Guide#Character_configuration As you see Items go into Items
And https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Characters_And_Gear_Encoding_Guide#Uniform_configuration Looks like it is using the CfgWeapons entry.

half ocean Mar 14, 2018, 12:05 PM

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Items[]

grand zinc Mar 14, 2018, 12:07 PM

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For uniform I'd suggest to try a vanilla one. Might also be your requiredAddons entry not requiring the RHS config with the uniform. I don't think that could cause this. But correct requiredAddons are still good practice.

spice harness Mar 14, 2018, 12:08 PM

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oki Thanks for the help

modern dirge Mar 14, 2018, 10:35 PM

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Hey guys quick question that maybe someone would have an idea what to do. I'm looking to make a patch for grenade shell mass to make them lighter, meaning you can carry more
Currently have this https://pastebin.com/7dAtmRcT
And its throwing an error: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/241762519943741450/423600671070093322/20180314165721_1.jpg
Would anyone have an idea of what I'm doing incorrect with my code? Much appreciated in advance, I'm self-teaching myself most of this so I feel like I'm missing something simple

half ocean Mar 14, 2018, 11:31 PM

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hat...

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what

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That config literally has no link to the error you provided. They aren't even related.

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It's either that

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or you took the config from the magazine

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and renamed classnames that you shouldn't of renamed

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so your config points to absolutely nothing and the magazine is now missing a config.

modern dirge Mar 14, 2018, 11:45 PM

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So I've removed the classname of the default shell then? 1Rnd_HE_Grenade_shell is being overwrote by the new class and has nothing to inherit from. Or is that incorrect?

half ocean Mar 14, 2018, 11:45 PM

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oof.

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What was the classname of the original magazine

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my guess is that it was the name on the error

jade brook Mar 14, 2018, 11:47 PM

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You need to put the config patch of 1Rnd_HE_Grenade_shell into requiredAddons.

modern dirge Mar 14, 2018, 11:47 PM

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1Rnd_HE_Grenade_shell
This the the class that all the 40mm shells are pulling from, at least from what I can tell.
The error is throwing multiple names. Im assuming its anything with relation to the orginal

half ocean Mar 14, 2018, 11:50 PM

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Are you creating a new shell

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or modifying an existing shell

modern dirge Mar 14, 2018, 11:51 PM

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Modifying the existing shells

jade brook Mar 14, 2018, 11:52 PM

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You need to put the config patch of coal_ugl_shell into requiredAddons. : )

modern dirge Mar 14, 2018, 11:52 PM

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Im going to try that now and see

undone quiver Mar 15, 2018, 6:46 AM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/411425147501805570/423732751376580608/20180315004216_1.jpg?width=1290&height=677

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Anybody know what might cause this behavior? AI drive fine on roads, but do this silly wabble dance on anything even slightly inclined

stoic lily Mar 15, 2018, 10:33 AM

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has anyone experience with dontCreateAi use?
it appears that if you force in AI via scripting in such turrets, the AI in such will leave the vehicle automatically when the vehicle is hit

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barren umbra Mar 15, 2018, 12:12 PM

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For some reason my custom cannons for my AC-130 can no longer lock onto laser target, even though they could and that was after the sensors update

hot pine Mar 15, 2018, 12:35 PM

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@strange egret
_deflectionDirDistribution = par.ReadValue("deflectionDirDistribution", 0.5f);
_penetrationDirDistribution = par.ReadValue("penetrationDirDistribution", 0.25f);
soon on devbranch

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triggerOnImpact & deleteParentWhenTriggerd

sullen fulcrum Mar 15, 2018, 2:32 PM

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In identity types if I want to change head of the units, what are classes for Iranian and Greek faces? I know for nato it's Head_NATO, but couldn't find names for the other ones on wiki

stoic lily Mar 15, 2018, 2:44 PM

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see: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/PDvC32bHPQ/

sullen fulcrum Mar 15, 2018, 2:45 PM

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thanks

sullen fulcrum Mar 15, 2018, 6:52 PM

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Can someone help me with uniform config?

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https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/215421-uniform-config-for-unit/

strange egret Mar 15, 2018, 8:02 PM

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@hot pine cool stuff, thanks

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what was the adjustment of the penetration materials on vanilla vehicles? Ive seen one entry in the changelog

hot pine Mar 15, 2018, 8:15 PM

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Some vehicles had very weird materials applied

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Like ie Armour. Rvmat on whole engine block etc

strange egret Mar 15, 2018, 8:17 PM

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i see

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engine block using solid metal made big problems for me as well in damage model. I use plate material of defined thickness for that since a while

glossy shadow Mar 16, 2018, 12:28 AM

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If a class has numerous parents, how far back do I have to go for inheritance to work properly?

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For example, these are the parents of an RHS Helo.
["RHS_UH60M","RHS_UH60M_US_base","RHS_UH60M_base","RHS_UH60_Base","Heli_Transport_01_base_F","Helicopter_Base_H","Helicopter_Base_F","Helicopter","Air","AllVehicles","All"]

untold temple Mar 16, 2018, 12:49 AM

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depends what you're changing

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for every subclass indent, you have to start inheritance from one stage further back

glossy shadow Mar 16, 2018, 1:04 AM

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Yep, fixed it. Thanks.

mild axle Mar 16, 2018, 5:59 PM

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Does anyone know what limitations there are to the delete function in configs because im trying to delete all the arma 3 classes of default tanks so that no one can spawn them in

grand zinc Mar 16, 2018, 6:04 PM

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Only works on classes that were defined before yours

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and AFAIK aren't modified after yours

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yours being your config

mild axle Mar 16, 2018, 6:06 PM

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hmm not sure why this isnt working then

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    delete O_LSV_02_armed_F;
};```

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So Theortically that should work

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even if put the mod that that vehicles is from in required adddons doesnt seem to work

grand zinc Mar 16, 2018, 6:08 PM

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even ?

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I just said that's required.

mild axle Mar 16, 2018, 6:09 PM

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well yeah im saying im doing it and itts still not working

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Sorry for my confusion im v tired

grand zinc Mar 16, 2018, 6:09 PM

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so that no one can spawn them in You don't have to delete them for that

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If you just want to block placing/Eden

mild axle Mar 16, 2018, 6:10 PM

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I just want to outright delete them

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so that they're not even visible in config viewer

stoic lily Mar 16, 2018, 6:14 PM

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you can only delete classes that have no references to them

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if you want to delete "all these" you need make stacked configs to delete level by level

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aka pointless exercise

mild axle Mar 16, 2018, 6:18 PM

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ahh I understand

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So like I would have to delete the different color variations etc

barren umbra Mar 16, 2018, 10:52 PM

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For some reason I can no longer lock onto moving vehicles using the pilot or the gunner's camera, was something changed so its not possible by default?

livid heath Mar 17, 2018, 12:27 PM

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"mad question from the vietnam bunker " of the day begins: apologies for the length of it

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https://i.imgur.com/EjQjMfc.jpg

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so we have a new camo faces config, it loads up sometimes and sometimes does not

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i'm pretty sure that the textures and rvmats are ok

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my main query is -

what could cause a face not to load?
is there any way to diagnose what is occuring here?

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rpt in diag exe shows nothing really unusual

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No more slot to add connection at 015030 (1523.6,3012.8)
Moved object 6880500:a3\characters_f\blufor\b_soldier_01.p3d (class Soldier) not in landscape 7468.61,7295.12 (0,0).
Warning: 'uns_east\uns_vc_paj_blk.p3d': LODs not ordered by face count 2 (3): 5119 faces < 3 (4) 5119 faces
c:\bis\source\dev\futura\lib\man\mantype.cpp(910)(func: ManType::CreateObject)  [AssertUSR]  MainThread=5600 Group: Config Unable to create slotItem from type:[Binocular]
soldier[uns_men_VC_recon_nco]:Some of magazines weren't stored in soldier Vest or Uniform?
soldier[uns_men_VC_recon_nco]:Some of magazines weren't stored in soldier Vest or Uniform?
soldier[uns_men_VC_recon_RF4]:Some of magazines weren't stored in soldier Vest or Uniform?
soldier[uns_men_VC_recon_RF4]:Some of magazines weren't stored in soldier Vest or Uniform?
soldier[uns_men_VC_recon_RF7]:Some of magazines weren't stored in soldier Vest or Uniform?
Warning: 'uns_weap_w\grenade\uns_m18\uns_m18_yellow_can.p3d': LODs not ordered by face count 2 (3): 436 faces < 3 (4) 436 faces
soldier[uns_men_VC_recon_AS5]:Some of magazines weren't stored in soldier Vest or Uniform?
c:\bis\source\dev\futura\lib\d3d11\txtd3d11.cpp(1720)(func: DX11::TextureD3D11::DoLoadHeaders)  [AssertNoDlg]  ThreadID=1932 canIgnore
Warning: 'uns_weap_e\rpg2\uns_rpg2e.p3d': LODs not ordered by face count 4 (6): 38 faces < 5 (20) 38 faces
Unable to set statValue '3DENArsenal', mission/script doesn't have permission for this stat (mission: '', script: 'A3\functions_f_bootcamp\Inventory\fn_arsenal.sqf [BIS_fnc_arsenal]':4340).

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and this is the only popup

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c:\bis\source\dev\futura\lib\man\mantype.cpp(910)(func: ManType::CreateObject)  [AssertUSR]  MainThread=5600 Group: Config Unable to create slotItem from type:[Binocular]

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additionally, if you load up the virtual arsenal from tutorials menu, and scroll through our new camo faces sometimes they appear white, maybe 3 of them. if you reload it, a different one or two appear white. reload, different ones appear white etc

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this is i nthe FACES part of VA, not the units themselves, so it isn't UNIT face randomisation causing the issue with one texture being at fault for example

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then if you load a group of camo faces troops in the editor, they may appear white faced, or with camo, sometime half and half, and if you reload the test mission they always appear completely fine.