#ip_rights_violations | ARMA | Page 58

scarlet patrol Feb 15, 2020, 5:11 PM

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as a trademark name
or did you meant a logo?

hushed fox Feb 15, 2020, 5:56 PM

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me? I meant as the model itself

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obviously not name / trademark

scarlet patrol Feb 15, 2020, 5:57 PM

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My bad I though you were trying to make it extra realistic by adding a fake company name

hushed fox Feb 15, 2020, 8:17 PM

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🙂

rapid cypress Feb 15, 2020, 9:58 PM

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Hey you peeps are smart and I want to be on the safe side, would there be any license related problems when 3d printing a model of Chernarus?

soft egret Feb 15, 2020, 10:05 PM

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If you got the height data from the Arma 2 data, which is licensed as "Arma use only"

rapid cypress Feb 15, 2020, 10:10 PM

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I used a greyscale image from this ( https://www.reddit.com/r/dayz/comments/xf0fi/3d_height_map_of_chernarus/ ) post and then converted that into an stl file

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They got their height data from this post http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/34679-chernarus-height-map/

scarlet patrol Feb 15, 2020, 11:40 PM

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I mean, since its a real geographical location, wouldn't the heigh data belong to NASA?

rapid cypress Feb 15, 2020, 11:42 PM

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Theres more companies than just NASA that capture geo data bongocat @scarlet patrol

scarlet patrol Feb 15, 2020, 11:43 PM

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doubt BI is one of them though

rapid cypress Feb 15, 2020, 11:44 PM

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Heh yeah

patent flicker Feb 15, 2020, 11:44 PM

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I don't think its possible to assert ownership over real-world height data, since its factual information.

soft egret Feb 15, 2020, 11:44 PM

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Well BI has probably paid for the license to use it, and modified it into a derivative.
That map, is just a plain copy of the BI content

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Sure, if you just use the height data of the same place in RL, easy.
But from Arma, which is VERY likely modified to gamify it

scarlet patrol Feb 15, 2020, 11:45 PM

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there might be ownership on that specific heighmap
but if you create it yourself from that zone I doubt BI could say anything about it

soft egret Feb 15, 2020, 11:45 PM

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Just message Nillers, he'll talk to legal dept

rapid cypress Feb 15, 2020, 11:48 PM

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bongocat oki

fossil basalt Feb 16, 2020, 12:00 AM

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I also imagine that since the data has been changed, its no longer real world factual data.

ornate maple Feb 17, 2020, 5:00 AM

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I want to do the right thing by Kimi who made the HMDs mod - https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=312724602

I can't access the forums atm because they seem to be down or slowed way down. I plan to DM him to check if its fine by him first however;

His mod has an optional PBO in it that he suggests removing if you wish to utilize the Vanilla UI for vehicle damage and stats. We want to include the mod in a workshop collection (not like one giant mod, one of the steam ones where you distribute the HTML file and people tick the boxes for x amount of mods). We want to however include a version of HMD that doesn't have that optional people rather than asking people to delete it as otherwise the workshop would keep redownloading that optional people because it is inside addons.

We see a few options. The best is get permission from Kimi to inlcude a re-upload without that pbo. The next is, if he is inactive, see if any of his end user agreement allows re-uploads without permission. Another is, if re-uploading for the purpose of accessibility on workshop for the reason of removing that optional pbo would be allowed. The other is a config solution in one of our own pbos to basically overwrite the config entry of his pbo so that did not happen.

I know how to make the final option work and the load order of such but is that technically modifying someone elses work if its within your own pbo and theirs remains untouched as i'm basically just changing the load order? Just want to know i'm doing the right thing.

faint nacelle Feb 17, 2020, 5:04 AM

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best option would be that he uploads a version without the optional pbo.

if hes okay of you uploading it, you should likely add him as a contributor

if he cant be reached, you cant do anything about it.

that last option to make a config patch to rewrite his config would perhaps be the only option if you cant reach him.

ornate maple Feb 17, 2020, 5:06 AM

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Yea the ideal is that version exists but according to steam he has been inactive for quite a while and I then doubt he'd check the forums. It's worth the message though.

Understandably a re-upload, unless his permissions allow it isn't an option, unless ofcourse it is allowed because its removing that optional PBO and he says that is the best course of action in this case to remove that part of the mods feature.

The last option with a config patch to rewrite the config is my only grey area as to if its allowed. It sounds totally fine to me as i'm not editing his original work and a rewrite using a mod as a dependency seems universally fine

faint nacelle Feb 17, 2020, 5:07 AM

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no permission upload is not acceptable due to how Steam workshops rules are

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so first and last options are your possibilities

ornate maple Feb 17, 2020, 5:08 AM

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Ah right so the re-upload onto the workshop specifically unless his terms state it or permission is given is not allowed? That does make sense

faint nacelle Feb 17, 2020, 5:09 AM

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unless permission is given I believe. Its a very specific requirement you need to have regarding the IP ownership

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pretty much no licenses give that out

ornate maple Feb 17, 2020, 5:10 AM

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Yea fair enough, thats a hard one to just know given the mess the workshop is.

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I think the best option we're going to go with is the config patch

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Will save us some time in general waiting on a response and obviously don't want to cause any dramas by doing the wrong thing re-uploading peoples work

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Oh no ofcourse I'm against many of the uploads where people are like

"Its only on the workshop because nobody else put it here. Its not my stuff, the owner can ask me to take it down"

faint nacelle Feb 17, 2020, 5:12 AM

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either the dude in question comes back and is not happy, or the next dude uploading our stuff says well you said its okay to upload that guys work now I say its okay to upload yours

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exactly

ornate maple Feb 17, 2020, 5:12 AM

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So clearly not how it works laughing

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Okay well appreciate it, just wanted to make sure we didn't do what so many others do wrong

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Thought it as a bit of a unique situation

faint nacelle Feb 17, 2020, 5:13 AM

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👍 its always good to ask

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well in the way that there is optional pbo yeah, those are maybe a bit uncommon

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Id have made that a separate workshop upload

ornate maple Feb 17, 2020, 5:14 AM

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Yea normally the optionals are outside of the main addons folder and told to be dragged in not out or they're an extra upload.

In this case his intended behaviour is for it to be included but acknowledges some may not want it and are told to drag it out instead.

The last update of this mod was in early 2018 according to workshop so I can't imagine a seperate upload in this case happening by the original author

faint nacelle Feb 17, 2020, 5:15 AM

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well you never know. assuming he is around still

ornate maple Feb 17, 2020, 5:16 AM

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I sent an add on steam but if they're anything like me I don't accept random invites so that also may be difficult. Private profile too so recent activity can't be seen

faint nacelle Feb 17, 2020, 5:17 AM

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BI forums are likely back up soon

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actually should arleady be up

tiny flame Feb 18, 2020, 12:16 AM

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Just to clarify, is it acceptable to Port Arma 2 assets (some weapons and vehicles) to Arma 3?

faint nacelle Feb 18, 2020, 12:18 AM

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if the license of the datapacket allows it, yes that is okay

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but then again you might want to consider using CUP as they have already done most of them and they got substantial userbase already

tiny flame Feb 18, 2020, 12:19 AM

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Just want a few assets, licence checks out, thanks for the confirmation

dull moon Feb 18, 2020, 12:20 AM

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@tiny flame
https://pmc.editing.wiki/doku.php?id=arma3:port-arma2-to-arma3-tutorial-varanon
have a helpful read

tiny flame Feb 18, 2020, 12:23 AM

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@dull moon thanks!

glass yacht Feb 18, 2020, 4:54 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1999712843&searchtext=

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@echo orchid

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reupload of RHS

ornate maple Feb 18, 2020, 5:29 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197962455759/myworkshopfiles/?appid=107410

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@glass yacht and re-upload of CUP, CBA, Project OPFOR and "OTHER"

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3den Enhanced
Achilles
Enhanced Movement
L3-GPNVG18 Panoramic Night Vision
ShackTac User Interface
Task Force Arrowhead Radio (BETA!!!)

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Those in fact

glass yacht Feb 18, 2020, 5:30 AM

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pumpkinman

ornate maple Feb 18, 2020, 5:30 AM

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@soft egret

glass yacht Feb 18, 2020, 5:30 AM

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those guys are really goin all out

ornate maple Feb 18, 2020, 5:31 AM

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Why not piss off all the big modders at once ya know

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go all in

soft egret Feb 18, 2020, 8:29 AM

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@dull moon https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1999423581
havin fun

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@echo orchid https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1999712843 you too o7

echo orchid Feb 18, 2020, 8:54 AM

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cheers

scarlet patrol Feb 18, 2020, 12:19 PM

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why can't people just use autoloaders?

faint nacelle Feb 18, 2020, 12:21 PM

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https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/079/173/ed2.png

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Basically this.

ornate maple Feb 20, 2020, 12:21 AM

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Shame he didn't even do the classic "I didn't make this, if the original owner wants me to remove it they can ask"

That completely removes any wrong doing and circumvents copyright law. I know, I completed pre school

novel goblet Feb 20, 2020, 10:06 AM

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I thought CUP Terrains was licensed under APL-SA and not under the specific "CUP-License" that prevents upload to Steam.

soft egret Feb 20, 2020, 10:09 AM

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APL-SA still prevents upload to steam

novel goblet Feb 20, 2020, 10:10 AM

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Sure.. But that is matter between Steam and the uploader, right? Nothing to with the author or Bohemia

soft egret Feb 20, 2020, 10:10 AM

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If your content is illegally reuploaded. Thats a matter between you and the uploader

novel goblet Feb 20, 2020, 10:11 AM

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Not if I explicitly gave permission to distribute without limitations.

rapid cypress Feb 20, 2020, 10:12 AM

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Also from the Cup Maps Core workshop page :

ANY REUPLOADS (STANDALONE OR PART OF MODPACKS) TO THE STEAM WORKSHOP (ARMA3 & DAYZ) ARE PROHIBITED AND VIOLATING THE STEAM WORKSHOP EULA SECTION 6D, AS WELL AS THE CUP LICENSE. REUPLOADS WILL BE TAKEN DOWN VIA DMCA NOTICE WITHOUT WARNING!

soft egret Feb 20, 2020, 10:12 AM

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Not if I explicitly gave permission to distribute without limitations.
Yep but how is that related to CUP Terrains? Thats not your content, you cannot give permission for someone elses stuff

rapid cypress Feb 20, 2020, 10:12 AM

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And that does mention the CUP license

novel goblet Feb 20, 2020, 10:13 AM

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You can download it from the official web page under APL-SA.. So now you got it under APL-SA license. Looking at that I see no restriction on uploading to specific sites (unlike the CUP-License).

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If I license something under say MIT/GPL which allow free distribution, and somebody takes that and uploads to Steam they violated Steam Workshop TOS. But they did not violate my copyright, I gave them permission to distribute.

soft egret Feb 20, 2020, 10:16 AM

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So now you got it under APL-SA license
Yes, which doesn't allow you to upload it to the workshop

novel goblet Feb 20, 2020, 10:18 AM

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Okay. In that case my bad. Just not immediately clear from the license.

rapid cypress Feb 20, 2020, 3:35 PM

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@scarlet patrol @patent flicker @soft egret Pinging you peeps since you were involved in the conversation (rel.: https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/105792634995388416/678359598465417253 )
I got an answer from Nillers / The BI legal team about the print and sharing of the chernarus STL file, FYI:

So I finally got an answer to your question:

Paraphrasing a little here but, generally, every part of the game belongs to Bohemia Interactive. This would include the model's likeness and appearance of Chernarus. Normally, no one can use it without our permission. Which would be in this case as well. That being said, if the 3D model is not used commercially (not being sold to third parties) we wouldn't see it as a problem necessarily. However, distributing it to the community can be very risky. As you never know who might take your model and start trying to sell it. You might be safer not passing out the STL to everyone where you could be held liable.

So the TL;DR version would be - I'd say you're safe to use it non-commercially for yourself, but I wouldn't risk distributing the STL model openly to the community at-large.

scarlet patrol Feb 20, 2020, 3:36 PM

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makes sense

soft egret Feb 20, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Paraphrasing a little here but, generally
yep. Sounds like Nillers 😄 Can literally hear the voice

rapid cypress Feb 20, 2020, 3:39 PM

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(FYI: @dull moon aswell since you gave me the initial idea for generating the 3d model from the data and this could be interesting to you)

hollow rain Feb 20, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Well, there is always lots of information I have to fill in or omit for clarity. So paraphrasing is my normal.

soft egret Feb 20, 2020, 4:30 PM

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its your signature 😄

dull moon Feb 20, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Thx for the info

faint nacelle Feb 29, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Lifer at it again it seems

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🙈

soft egret Feb 29, 2020, 3:56 PM

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tonks

rapid cypress Feb 29, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Btw whats the current ip rights stance on the Legion Armory mod?

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From what I know its all self made and not stolen from other games but its still Star Wars so

hasty gale Feb 29, 2020, 5:53 PM

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is starwars case closed atleast until disney changes their stance when the EA contract ends

soft egret Feb 29, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Still IP violation. Done. Doesn't matter how made.

rapid cypress Feb 29, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Oki

fickle ivy Feb 29, 2020, 11:10 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2006655036&searchtext=

zealous ledge Mar 1, 2020, 4:24 AM

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@rapid cypress im sure your refering to SW Legion Base since it has all the models. Armoury is just retextures

delicate kindle Mar 1, 2020, 6:41 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1914231777&searchtext=Last+Force+Game

Life mod repacking other mods

rapid cypress Mar 1, 2020, 10:47 AM

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Ah oky thanks, didnt look into the mod too much @zealous ledge

scarlet patrol Mar 6, 2020, 8:27 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/app/107410/discussions/20/1743394605015488550/
Damn BIA
back at it again with the EULA infringments

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kinda annoyed that these guys can do whatever they want

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after almost a year of reporting

rapid cypress Mar 6, 2020, 8:31 PM

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Yeah enforcing the rules isnt really BI's strong suit I think @scarlet patrol

scarlet patrol Mar 6, 2020, 8:37 PM

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really frustrating tbh

soft egret Mar 6, 2020, 11:42 PM

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they don't have anything rule violating in that post, even if they still do it in the background

scarlet patrol Mar 6, 2020, 11:50 PM

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@soft egret is that not literally in the title?

earn income leading soldiers

soft egret Mar 6, 2020, 11:50 PM

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🤔

scarlet patrol Mar 6, 2020, 11:52 PM

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or did that become allowed suddently?

soft egret Mar 6, 2020, 11:53 PM

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no

rustic copper Mar 7, 2020, 2:20 AM

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BIA is sponsored so we have set up a system to pay members willing to take leadership roles seriously.
Sounds like same old, same old...

crystal talon Mar 7, 2020, 7:02 AM

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Has anyone taken a look at these? https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197962455759/myworkshopfiles/

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@echo orchid https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1999712843

young hazel Mar 7, 2020, 11:37 AM

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theyve been pointed out in the past

soft egret Mar 7, 2020, 12:28 PM

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@scarlet patrol they are gone now

scarlet patrol Mar 7, 2020, 12:29 PM

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thanks

soft egret Mar 7, 2020, 12:29 PM

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yes reported some time ago, noone took action or did he just reupload everything?

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@dull moon ^

dull moon Mar 7, 2020, 1:28 PM

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thx, done

crystal talon Mar 10, 2020, 10:03 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2012979067
Enhanced movement
Burnes Armoury
NIArms
RobertHammer
Sab's mods
SMA
TFAR
TRYK
VSM
CUP
USP
and xCam reuploads (and more)

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@blazing wyvern @manic lark

brisk ember Mar 10, 2020, 1:51 PM

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@dull moon ^

dapper ocean Mar 10, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Is the workshop crawler KIA?

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The basic UI doesn’t seem to work

glad sparrow Mar 11, 2020, 7:37 AM

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Thanks @crystal talon

errant drum Mar 13, 2020, 10:25 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1802540845 / https://www.battlemetrics.com/servers/arma3/3551776 Tavi server pepega

dull moon Mar 13, 2020, 10:28 PM

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let's see if there is something of use in the mod and 🦆 up 10k subs...

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they have repacked arma 3 content

faint nacelle Mar 13, 2020, 10:39 PM

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so some life pack then?

dull moon Mar 13, 2020, 10:40 PM

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yes, but nothing i could use to 🦆 them up

patent flicker Mar 13, 2020, 10:41 PM

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How do they have more current subscribers then unique visitors? and by such a large ratio too.

dull moon Mar 13, 2020, 10:42 PM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/shia-labeouf-12NUbkX6p4xOO4

Giphy

soft egret Mar 13, 2020, 11:00 PM

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repacked arma content pls to mail in description

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@patent flicker collections probably

dark junco Mar 16, 2020, 10:02 PM

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Can anyone tell me what's the license for Arma 3 icon? I'm working on arma3-unix-launcher (basically launcher for us folks on Linux and Mac) and I wonder, whether can I include it in my repository (launcher's free and open-source)

crystal talon Mar 16, 2020, 10:29 PM

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@dark junco https://www.bohemia.net/community/game-content-usage-rules

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Can I use Bohemia interactive product names and logos on my web page? 

You may use our trademarks and logos only as fair use. Anything you have created should not appear to be an official product of Bohemia Interactive.

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This should probably be in #other_ip_topics on another note

dark junco Mar 16, 2020, 10:30 PM

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you're right, too many channels here :D
thanks!

smoky bronze Mar 17, 2020, 5:14 AM

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Hi i have question. I want to upload my map for workshop but few object it have are imports i have purchase from cg trader. It is all legitimate model but for example one model is a hospital building that also someone else has purchased uploaded to workshop. My question is can i get in trouble for it ?

carmine folio Mar 17, 2020, 5:45 AM

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@smoky bronze i think it depends if the person made the model themselves and if they gave you permission. If they didnt make it(ripped models ) or give you permission. No dice

fossil basalt Mar 17, 2020, 7:04 AM

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@smoky bronze CG Trader is probably one of the worst places you could have gone to. Plenty of info out there that a lot of their content is stolen. So, to answer your question "can i get in trouble for it ?" the answer is ABSOLUTELY!

green shale Mar 17, 2020, 11:27 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1967059591&searchtext=

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this thing

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repack of a few mods

rapid cypress Mar 17, 2020, 11:28 AM

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@ADV_CPR_2020 tolta
@Enhanced Movement
@Advanced Sling Loading
@Advanced Towing
@Spyder Addons
@Zeus Enhanced
@TommyPatch

green shale Mar 17, 2020, 11:29 AM

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idk if they are open sourced like ace or whatever it is

rapid cypress Mar 17, 2020, 11:29 AM

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Open source doesnt mean that you can just reupload it, the license is the important thing

green shale Mar 17, 2020, 11:29 AM

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well yes

soft egret Mar 17, 2020, 11:30 AM

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!issuewarning @green shale profanity

edgy coralBOT Mar 17, 2020, 11:30 AM

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Done.

green shale Mar 17, 2020, 11:31 AM

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do i delete it or?

soft egret Mar 17, 2020, 11:31 AM

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!ban @green shale 60d temp ban due to too many warning violations, no visible improvements to be seen

edgy coralBOT Mar 17, 2020, 11:31 AM

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*fires them railguns at @green shale* Ò_Ó

soft egret Mar 17, 2020, 11:31 AM

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No. I do.

fossil basalt Mar 17, 2020, 11:31 AM

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I got it

rapid cypress Mar 17, 2020, 11:31 AM

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Rip

fossil basalt Mar 17, 2020, 11:32 AM

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No sympathy for serial offenders

smoky bronze Mar 17, 2020, 11:39 AM

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its not stolen its just me and another person have the same model from the same source

rapid cypress Mar 17, 2020, 11:46 AM

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Do you know if the person selling it created or stole it though? Thats what FM means I assume

fossil basalt Mar 17, 2020, 11:48 AM

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Are you willing to risk a ban, or a lawsuit that may cost thousands of your local currency to defend that its not stolen? You asked "My question is can i get in trouble for it ?" If the model in question is either stolen or its license prohibits it from being uploaded, then the answer is an ABSOLUTE YES!

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Link to the item on CG Trader for a start and lets see it. @smoky bronze

smoky bronze Mar 17, 2020, 1:31 PM

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https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/exterior/office/hospital-building

smoky bronze Mar 17, 2020, 1:46 PM

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@fossil basalt it is this building

fossil basalt Mar 17, 2020, 1:47 PM

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This is, however, a non-exclusive license and the product remains the property of a seller for further distribution. Please, refer to legally binding General Terms and Conditions to learn more about Royalty Free License, other types of licenses and general rules applicable to all products.

smoky bronze Mar 17, 2020, 2:14 PM

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I dont understand what that mean that is why im asking

fossil basalt Mar 17, 2020, 2:16 PM

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essentially, if you don't have permission from the seller to upload it, you many not.

smoky bronze Mar 17, 2020, 2:18 PM

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So the other person who upload it is not allowed also ? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1753352039&searchtext=Hospital

patent flicker Mar 17, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Product may not be sold, given, or assigned to another person or entity in the form it is downloaded from the Site.
https://help.cgtrader.com/en/articles/2402359-royalty-free-license
As long as your packaging it into p3d format you're good to go.

fossil basalt Mar 17, 2020, 2:19 PM

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That is not correct

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Read the Steam Subscriber agreement

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Particularly section 6d

patent flicker Mar 17, 2020, 2:26 PM

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I don't see any hang-ups there

midnight crystal Mar 17, 2020, 2:29 PM

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You represent and warrant to us that you have sufficient rights in all User Generated Content to grant Valve and other affected parties the licenses described under A. and B. above or in any license terms specific to the applicable Workshop-Enabled App or Workshop page. This includes, without limitation, any kind of intellectual property rights or other proprietary or personal rights affected by or included in the User Generated Content. In particular, with respect to Workshop Contributions, you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors).

patent flicker Mar 17, 2020, 2:32 PM

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in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors
Which the royalty free license that applies to sean's model provides.
https://www.cgtrader.com/pages/terms-and-conditions#royalty-free-license

smoky bronze Mar 17, 2020, 2:35 PM

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I never think that i would need a lawyer for a video game but i think i will have to hire one to be sure 😕

fossil basalt Mar 17, 2020, 2:47 PM

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@patent flicker it does not. The original author retains those rights. Unless explicitly stated.

soft egret Mar 17, 2020, 2:48 PM

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This is, however, a non-exclusive license and the product remains the property of a seller for further distribution.
That doesn't sound like it gives you the permission to redistribute on his behalf, the opposite actually

patent flicker Mar 17, 2020, 2:49 PM

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you grant CGTrader and all other users of the Site an irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, nonexclusive license to use, reproduce, modify, distribute, transmit, display, perform, adapt, resell and publish such Content (including in digital form).

rustic copper Mar 17, 2020, 2:49 PM

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but that applies to posting stuff on GCTrader, which means GCTrader can do everything they want... not the people buying it...

fossil basalt Mar 17, 2020, 2:51 PM

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And given that CGTrader has stolen content on it gives that even less credence

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In short, if you haven't created it yourself and/or you do not have explicit verifiable rights (given by the IP rights holder), you may not upload it to the Steam Workshop.

patent flicker Mar 17, 2020, 2:55 PM

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If the Seller does not indicate any licensing conditions in his posting, terms of Royalty Free license (see section 21 “Royalty Free License”) shall be applicable
The license to use the Product is non-exclusive, non-transferable and is granted only to the original Buyer
By using the Site and (or) accepting this agreement the Seller agrees that any additional end user license agreements, licenses, custom licenses, or Seller requirements inserted into Seller Products in any area outside that explicitly provided by CGTrader for additional license terms are invalid, void ab initio, and without effect as they relate to those purchases made on the Site.

- as purchased by a game’s creators as part of a game if the Product is contained inside a proprietary format and displays inside the game during play, but not for users to re-package as goods distributed or sold inside a virtual world;```
```Without prejudice to sub paragraphs 21.1-21.3, the Seller grants to the Buyer who purchases license rights to Product and uses it solely as Incorporated Product a non-exclusive, worldwide, license in any medium now known or hereinafter invented to:
- reproduce, post, promote, license, sell, publicly perform, publicly display, digitally perform, or transmit for promotional and commercial purposes;```
There is no reason to believe the model sean is looking at is stolen.

fossil basalt Mar 17, 2020, 2:55 PM

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If you do so, you can expect (at the very least) a Ban.

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In particular, with respect to Workshop Contributions, you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors). <- THIS he does not have

patent flicker Mar 17, 2020, 2:57 PM

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in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors
CG's royalty free license that the model author agreed to grants this.

fossil basalt Mar 17, 2020, 2:58 PM

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It does not

tough lagoon Mar 17, 2020, 2:59 PM

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Why doesn't it?

fossil basalt Mar 17, 2020, 3:02 PM

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It does not transfer ownership/rights to the buyer to then Upload to the Steam Workshop.

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The creator retains all rights, that is not given away when a model is sold.

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This isn't up for debate. If you would like to learn more, scroll back for a few years worth of information.

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Also see OUR #rules

19) Posting addon/mod other content without permission


The first and most fundamental rule is that you must seek permission to alter someone's work, to mirror it or use it in any way other than for personal use. No permission, no editing, no mirroring, no adding to your mod pack, no editing and sharing around your private squad, none of that is acceptable.

On these forums you must follow this rule, if a person/team post a thread to share an addon/mod using content from someone else without permission and we receive a complaint then the mod thread will be closed until the issue is resolved and the forum member(s) risks being permanently banned from these forums for taking someone's work without permission.

This isn't just limited to re-using content in addons/mods/missions however, it's not acceptable to edit someone's work without permission and then to post screenshots of it on the forums (even if the edited addon/mod is purely for personal use), it's also not acceptable to edit someone's work, or use someone's work in any way that you don't have permission for and then to create videos which you post on these forums, doing any of the above without the permission of the original creators risks a permanent ban, for individuals, for whole mod teams or squads.```

tough lagoon Mar 17, 2020, 3:07 PM

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What's the difference between buying rights for a model to use in a game vs using it in a mod. Unless I'm not understanding something it should be fine, right?

fossil basalt Mar 17, 2020, 3:11 PM

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->Unless I'm not understanding something

The creator never gives away his/her rights unless they explicitly say so. So, you cannot then upload it to the Steam Workshop because you were never given the rights to do so in the first place, these rights are still retained by the creator. By uploading to the Steam Workshop when you do not have the rights to do is is called fraud!

tough lagoon Mar 17, 2020, 3:12 PM

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For most things on cgtrader wouldn't buying an asset give the buyer rights to use and modify the asset?

fossil basalt Mar 17, 2020, 3:13 PM

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personally, on their own PC, yes, but not to redistribute or share with others.

tough lagoon Mar 17, 2020, 3:16 PM

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 Any use or republication, including sale or distribution of Product that is not Incorporated Product is strictly prohibited.

Wouldn't a mod fall under incorporated product? Like a game or anything you make using the asset as long as you are not repackaging the asset on it's own?

fossil basalt Mar 17, 2020, 3:17 PM

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It still doesn't pass this test "you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors"

tough lagoon Mar 17, 2020, 3:18 PM

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Doesn't buying the contract give you permission to upload it as an incorporated product?

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sorry buying the asset I mean

fossil basalt Mar 17, 2020, 3:18 PM

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No

tough lagoon Mar 17, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Why not? When you buy the asset you enter into a contract with the seller to be able to use the asset in an incorporated product, right?

fossil basalt Mar 17, 2020, 3:19 PM

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No

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Its like someone selling you a car, but not selling the title to it.

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A similar real estate term would be lease hold

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You get the model, but not the rights to it.

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Royalty free essentially means you just dont have to pay additional money.

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Users are better off paying a model maker (a significant price) for the full rights to a model than by buying one off of these model sites.

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(Because they're not getting what they think they are)

tough lagoon Mar 17, 2020, 3:33 PM

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Why can games use these models in an incorporated product, but mod authors cannot? As long as you're not redistributing the original file(like a .obj or .fbx file) there shouldn't be a problem since cgtrader gives the buyer rights to distribute it in a proprietary format.

fossil basalt Mar 17, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Listen to what I'm saying. The buyer DOES NOT HAVE the rights to upload the content whose rights belong to another unless ***specifically *** given the rights to do so.

tough lagoon Mar 17, 2020, 3:37 PM

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cgtrader gives the buyer rights to distribute it in a proprietary format.

fossil basalt Mar 17, 2020, 3:38 PM

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It DOES NOT give them the rights to upload to the Steam Workshop

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!mute @tough lagoon 1d

smoky bronze Mar 17, 2020, 3:39 PM

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If it is agianst rules how was this mod on workshop since 2017 without issue ?

fossil basalt Mar 17, 2020, 3:39 PM

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Because someone likes to like dangerously. If you upload it after everything I've stated here today, expect at the very least a ban.

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https://arma3practicalipguide.blogspot.com/

Practical Guide to IP in Arma3

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Some light reading

smoky bronze Mar 17, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Ill speak to my lawyer before anything else . Cant listen to people on internet. Waiting to hear back from my lawyer mybe she wont charge me for consultation

fossil basalt Mar 17, 2020, 4:50 PM

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And just so we're clear, if you upload it without explicit consent like I've stated multiple times, you will be banned. Clear?

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@smoky bronze

cinder ridge Mar 17, 2020, 4:52 PM

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@smoky bronze just ask the author if they are okay with you uploading it as part of your mod, if they agree i dont see any issue with the statement by FM, correct?

smoky bronze Mar 17, 2020, 4:53 PM

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How many times will you threaten me ? Ive said it before i will discuss this with my lawyer . I messaged here to make sure im allowed not to be threatened

fossil basalt Mar 17, 2020, 4:53 PM

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It must be explicit and must be verifiable. It is NOT a threat, it is our RULE. (as I've pointed out many times now)

chilly silo Mar 17, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Just to add some points of fact.

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P3D is not a proprietary format.
PBO could be consided as proprietary format. However since there are several tools for decoding/unpacking of PBOs and binarised files its also not considered "reasonably secure". So if the license demands that you take steps to protect from redistribution you shouldnt use it. (which CG Trader's does)
Even if you unknowingly bought stolen content under DMCA(US) and Article14(EU) legislation You are legally liable for everything you upload
No one can assign you rights to content that was originally stolen/ripped/infringed.

smoky bronze Mar 17, 2020, 5:36 PM

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🤦‍♂️ i asked if i can upload it when someone already has the same thing from the same person on the workshop. Im not sure why -fm- had to take direction of trying to say im viloating something and threatening to ban me when its not related to my question. The author has given me permission to upload it and thats not what im asking ! Im asking if the other person who has this model can get me introuble because they claim they made it

chilly silo Mar 17, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Im not really seeing a threat. FM told you what the rules are.

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As for uploading/re-uploading hes telling you what your responsibilities and liabilities are

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The other person cannot get you in trouble. If you have clear and explicit permission from the author and can prove it when challenged then its fine.

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However anyone can report/flag the content. Only the IP owner can legitimately file a DMCA (if someone else files one its Perjury).

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So look after your own uploads, get clear written and verifiable permission and you are all good

faint nacelle Mar 17, 2020, 5:43 PM

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You did the right thing by asking though, even if the outcome was probably not what you were looking for. Had you asked before buying the model you might have thought twice about it.

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The other guy, had he asked, would have got the same answer.

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he has now done something that can actually get him into trouble

smoky bronze Mar 17, 2020, 5:45 PM

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I didnt ask if im allowed to upload i asked if im allowed to upload when the other person has already uploaded it i have written permission

chilly silo Mar 17, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Given that the model isn't sold as an exclusive license it can be resold/licensed as non-exclusive by the author as many times as he likes. If anyone but the author DMCA's you you can provide the "written permission" as evidence to refute the claim.

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But the problem is that so many people buy models and then re-upload them to sites like CGTrader and resell them for their own profit. So even IF you get permission from the "uploader" on CG Trader it may not actually be their IP to sell rights to.

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And legally, if you upload it anywhere you are still liable for unauthorised distribution and IP infringement.

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Buying content - especially cheap models - from CG Selling sites is always going to be a risky proposition.

smoky bronze Mar 17, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Its not cheap. I spent 100$ on it im sure if it was exclusive then would cost alot more

chilly silo Mar 17, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Its much less on other sites...

fossil basalt Mar 17, 2020, 6:04 PM

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Large models of that size, easily fetch thousands of dollars/euros/pounds. To get exclusive permission to reupload to places like the Steam Workshop will often set you back hundreds if no thousands more. So, when you say you spent $100 on it, the odds are that it was stolen/So-called "author" doesn't actually have the ability to grant you the rights he says he's granted you.

smoky bronze Mar 18, 2020, 12:01 AM

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but you cant know for sure so its speculation no?

rustic copper Mar 18, 2020, 12:04 AM

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It's a fact that making 3D models take a lot of time and therefor costs a lot of money. And history has already shown that websites which sell such models for low costs are extremely questionable, if not outright illegal.

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That said; FM already pointed out that the license attached to the object is not compatible with the EULA of the Steam Workshop, unless explicit permission from the original author (or this case modeler) has been given.
Although the big question remains; is the seller actually the maker of the model?

fossil basalt Mar 18, 2020, 12:13 AM

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@smoky bronze Your comments raise every red flag that we have. You're not recruiting people to your aid.

smoky bronze Mar 18, 2020, 12:47 AM

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how?

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i just want to upload my map and share it on the workshop for anyone to use i do not see how this is making me suspicious?

echo orchid Mar 18, 2020, 1:05 AM

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can you post a link towards that 3d mesh you bought?

smoky bronze Mar 18, 2020, 1:06 AM

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https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/exterior/office/hospital-building

echo orchid Mar 18, 2020, 1:07 AM

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yeah you can’t redistribute this one

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This is, however, a non-exclusive license and the product remains the property of a seller for further distribution.

smoky bronze Mar 18, 2020, 1:09 AM

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i have written permission from the owner. what i was asking is if someone who has the same model on workshop and i was asking if that person can get me in trouble

echo orchid Mar 18, 2020, 1:10 AM

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from a legal pov, you can wipe your ass with that permission

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unless it’s a signed piece of paper that transfers his own ip rights to you

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which i doubt

smoky bronze Mar 18, 2020, 1:11 AM

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its just permission for me to upload it as a mod for a game

echo orchid Mar 18, 2020, 1:11 AM

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fair enough, that allows you to upload anywhere else but steam

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since steam explicitly requires you to share ip rights with them which you don’t have

smoky bronze Mar 18, 2020, 1:15 AM

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okay but if he permits me to upload to steam and just give credit to him why would i not be permitted ?

echo orchid Mar 18, 2020, 1:15 AM

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you seem to fail to understand the legality of it

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from a legal pov, in order to upload content on steam workshop, you need to actually own the intelectual property rights

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for whatever you wanna upload

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so whatever “permission” is given, again, from a legal pov, it’s null

patent flicker Mar 18, 2020, 1:18 AM

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You need to own the IP, OR have the IP owner's permission

echo orchid Mar 18, 2020, 1:18 AM

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ahh, nope

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you cannot share with a 3rd party something you don’t own

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not sure how hard can this be to grasp

chilly silo Mar 18, 2020, 1:19 AM

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You need to have the owner cede rights to you. Explicitly granting you permission to give/deed/cede rights to a 3rd party.

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Effectively giving you rights to the IP

smoky bronze Mar 18, 2020, 1:23 AM

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yeah what im uploading is my map that i made using models like the hospital that i purchased .

chilly silo Mar 18, 2020, 1:24 AM

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But for almost any other website that doesn't require you grant them IP rights to your content its fine.

echo orchid Mar 18, 2020, 1:24 AM

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we are going in circles here

chilly silo Mar 18, 2020, 1:25 AM

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But for Steam part of the Steam agreement is that you MUST have the right to grant them legal control of anything you upload

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yes we are ....again 😛

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I've tried to help. I'm out

echo orchid Mar 18, 2020, 1:26 AM

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same here, you asked, you got the answer. asking more times won’t change that

smoky bronze Mar 18, 2020, 1:26 AM

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i dont understand this game you need to have a law degree to play and share content with people a game where most players are young kids

lone basin Mar 18, 2020, 1:27 AM

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It's not the game, it's Steam, and there is no need of a law degree, just reading through the EULA is enough

smoky bronze Mar 18, 2020, 1:28 AM

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which i have but i do not understand anything it says too many complicated word

chilly silo Mar 18, 2020, 1:28 AM

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https://arma3practicalipguide.blogspot.com/p/steam-subscriber-agreement.html

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Read my explantion of the Steam agreement

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Specifically section 6

smoky bronze Mar 18, 2020, 1:33 AM

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i will discuss with steam and see what they say because i think something is not right

chilly silo Mar 18, 2020, 1:33 AM

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Go for it. I look forward to the response. I already got mine 😉

lone basin Mar 18, 2020, 1:34 AM

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The SSA seems as clear as one could make it

faint nacelle Mar 18, 2020, 1:35 AM

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Quite possible it does not translate so well on other languages.

smoky bronze Mar 18, 2020, 1:39 AM

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that is true my husban is trying to translate but i can see he is ready to kill me lol

lone basin Mar 18, 2020, 1:39 AM

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I don't think that Valve would make such mistake, at least for English, French, Russian and German I'm pretty sure that they are understandable by a native speaker

smoky bronze Mar 18, 2020, 1:41 AM

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im ukraine so its harder

fossil basalt Mar 18, 2020, 6:57 AM

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One thing that is fairly universal is NO and STOP. This is what we have been telling you from the very beginning. Yet, you still fail to listen.

smoky bronze Mar 18, 2020, 11:44 AM

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ok i will stop asking questions and will just assume i know answer from now on -_-

chilly silo Mar 18, 2020, 8:09 PM

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Yes, We all understand you.
You asked a question.
Several people answered you.
You didn't like the answer.
We're sorry but it is the truth.
No need to be passive aggressive.
At the end of the day we all know you will do what you want to. But if you do upload it you can no longer act surprised or claim ignorance when you get a DMCA or a Cease and Desist.
Have a nice day.

smoky bronze Mar 18, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Dmca or cd needs to come from the owner and i have say lot of times that he already give me permission

chilly silo Mar 18, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Yes, "The Real owner"

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😉

smoky bronze Mar 18, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Once agian its speculation if this model is not legitimate then show me the real owner and i will talk to them i did enough research on this model to believe he is owner

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Not good to always expect worse thinking positive is better benefit 🙂

paper prawn Mar 18, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Will this conversation last as long as the pandemic?

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Might be worth remembering that this discord has been dealing with these questions/issues for years not just since you asked the question!

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If you don't want to listen, fine. But please... take it elsewhere

chilly silo Mar 18, 2020, 9:30 PM

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Repeated Experience dealing with CGTrader and others having to remove my content from them informs my suspicions. I know atleast 5 other people that can say the same. Including BI themselves. We gave you the best advice we have. We backed it up with facts. I'm sorry its not what you want to hear. But as @paper prawn says, this is now repetitive and un-helpful. Let it go.

abstract matrix Mar 24, 2020, 1:12 AM

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Hey currious question with maps, are we alright to use satmaps we got from the qgis plugin? or is there a weird nasa goverment thing stopping us from doing so ?

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also also with real life buildings if we wanted to model the Spinnaker tower for example and have that in game would be allowed or is there a thing stopping you from doing landmarks

patent flicker Mar 24, 2020, 1:46 AM

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@abstract matrix I don't know about qgis, but height map data from NASA is public domain.

paper prawn Mar 24, 2020, 3:25 AM

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QGIS is a free open source geographic information system @abstract matrix

midnight crystal Mar 24, 2020, 2:43 PM

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I think he's talking more about the image itself from google map, arcgis etc...

abstract matrix Mar 24, 2020, 4:48 PM

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its from bing in the plugin option

chilly silo Mar 25, 2020, 9:42 AM

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You can always check the Bing Plugin's EULA

abstract matrix Mar 25, 2020, 11:26 AM

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yah i will do what about modeling land marks ?

midnight crystal Mar 25, 2020, 1:07 PM

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should be fine usually, certain exceptions can exist, I know for example the night lighting on the Eiffel tower is copyrighted but not the tower itself

vivid wave Mar 27, 2020, 1:52 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/id/_Garrett__/myworkshopfiles/
Ever discussed about these submissions?

brisk ember Mar 27, 2020, 3:23 PM

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gotta tag the (orig.) authors for that

soft egret Mar 27, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Crawler is still down 😢

brisk ember Mar 27, 2020, 3:25 PM

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some of 'em have the links to the actual mods in their description

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JSRS for one

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LAMBS

soft egret Mar 27, 2020, 3:25 PM

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@carmine folio https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2031716202 full JSRS reupload

brisk ember Mar 27, 2020, 3:26 PM

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or join their Discord and put the heat there

minor sonnet Mar 29, 2020, 12:17 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2035305606

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lolderp

faint nacelle Mar 29, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Classic imadetis - imadetis situation.

rapid cypress Mar 29, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Oxi sent me this https://steamcommunity.com/id/arganinyczsk/myworkshopfiles/?appid=107410&p=1 , includes Cup stuff ( @dull moon ) and a lot of other stuff

cobalt creek Mar 29, 2020, 6:29 AM

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@undone pier your guys stuff? (wwii_factions)

faint nacelle Mar 29, 2020, 6:31 AM

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and in all the uploads: I didnt make this

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and the best one: this (public upload) must be used by our members only...

undone pier Mar 29, 2020, 6:40 AM

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neg

carmine folio Apr 5, 2020, 5:58 AM

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So you find a place using your assets, you go to talk to the project leader about it

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https://i.imgur.com/wpFuvAX.png

carmine folio Apr 5, 2020, 9:59 AM

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Who's the guy that does TFR?

brisk ember Apr 5, 2020, 10:00 AM

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Can you give us the full name, or do you mean Task Force Arrowhead Radio?

rapid cypress Apr 5, 2020, 10:01 AM

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If you mean TFAR, its currently being developed by Dedmen as you can see on the GitHub @carmine folio

carmine folio Apr 5, 2020, 10:39 AM

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Yup, that's what I meant, my bad.

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I'll go look for his contact info there

rapid cypress Apr 5, 2020, 10:40 AM

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I'll recommend not pm'in or @'ing him heh

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Theres also a discord for TFAR

carmine folio Apr 5, 2020, 10:40 AM

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Nifty

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I just heard people ask permission from him to use TFAR and when they do, he asks whether they have perms for their other stuff, and now I know of a place that def doesn't have perms for their other stuff

lone yacht Apr 5, 2020, 10:30 PM

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so ahhh not too sure if this is ok but, ill leave this link here
https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=2034628823

faint nacelle Apr 5, 2020, 11:17 PM

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its not. Same old same old "I dont want to take credit but I do"

midnight crystal Apr 6, 2020, 2:46 PM

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CUP, OPTRE and a bunch of other mods https://steamcommunity.com/id/lafraya/myworkshopfiles/

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@dull moon

faint nacelle Apr 6, 2020, 3:06 PM

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@ember sorrel 👆

ember sorrel Apr 6, 2020, 3:59 PM

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oh fun

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ty for the heads-up

muted sphinx Apr 7, 2020, 7:44 AM

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Whole 3.3gb of reuploaded maps. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1991398730

rapid cypress Apr 7, 2020, 7:45 AM

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Atleast the guy made it easy to identify the original owners I guess

muted sphinx Apr 7, 2020, 7:45 AM

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Aye, but a good few of the maps do specify they don't allow reuploading so either/or.

rapid cypress Apr 7, 2020, 7:47 AM

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Angola Maps - IceBreakr
Anizay - Temppa
AORAKI3 - Luca86iTA
ARC Farkhar Valley - Soronelite
Bariga - Kraut
BSOC Brasil - GSTAVO
Deniland - Marko
Fallujah - [TAC] CraveMode
Eladeen - Luca
G.O.S Al Rayak - GOS_Makhno
G.O.S Dariyah - GOS_Makhno
G.O.S Gunkizli - GOS_Makhno
G.O.S Kalu Khan - GOS_Makhno
G.O.S Leskovets - GOS_Makhno
G.O.S N'ziwasogo - GOS_Makhno
G.O.S Song Bin Tahn - GOS_Makhno
Rura Penthe [BETA] - Ghost Fox
Asteroid Field - turfy
NAPF Island - Szwagier
NAPF Winter - Nosko
Mull of Kintyre - ice
Cherno 2055 - Crazy Mike
Namalsk - VileAce
St. Kap - {God-Father}
Archipelago - Ben
HEBONTES MILITARY TRAINING GROUND - Franz, Hunger
Pulau - Temppa
St-George island - Jericho, [126]Nawak, [126]Pythares, Max, Malcain
Tembelan Island - Ben, Dmitry Yuri
X-Cam-Taunus (Version 1.1) - silola
New Esseker - Malcain
Rosche, Germany - WA Lancer, Haggerty
CLA CLAFGHAN - Nremik, Diveyez, Gourd

muted sphinx Apr 7, 2020, 7:48 AM

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Or does that not count for what's reported here? sorry, little off on what classifies for putting here.

rapid cypress Apr 7, 2020, 7:48 AM

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Nah what he's doing isnt allowed, I meant that he's made it easy fpr us to find the original owners

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Its right that you posted it here

fossil basalt Apr 7, 2020, 7:49 AM

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He essentially gave us the rope to hang him with.

muted sphinx Apr 7, 2020, 7:49 AM

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Ow.

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Thanks for the clarification.

rapid cypress Apr 7, 2020, 7:52 AM

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FYI @latent mesa @royal gulch (I think thats the right peeps)

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Also I think you hang people with a noose and not a nose heh

fossil basalt Apr 7, 2020, 7:56 AM

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well spotted, just woke up, though if the nose were big enough 🤔

rapid cypress Apr 7, 2020, 8:01 AM

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I guess if you have a really big nose

quasi flame Apr 7, 2020, 8:09 AM

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He has my permission for Clafghan lol

soft egret Apr 7, 2020, 8:11 AM

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Namalsk - VileAce
What? Namalsk is from Sumrak.

muted sphinx Apr 7, 2020, 8:17 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1503394309

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this is the namalsk from there

soft egret Apr 7, 2020, 9:02 AM

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Its still Sumrak's namalsk, even if someone else ported it

soft egret Apr 9, 2020, 9:38 AM

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@quasi stream
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2049573478
This mod upload from you contains multiple reuploads of other peoples mods, for example NiArms/MBG Killhouses/TRYK/VSM and many more
Additionally you have a TFAR reupload here, that you do not have permission for
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2049597867

Take these down immediately, they violate our rules and the respective mod authors copyrights.
Your community advertisement in #communities_arma3 has been taken down due to violating our rules.

stable zealot Apr 10, 2020, 2:28 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1765124217

VSM, ACRE, Massi, kunduz, USP, GGE and more

faint nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 2:46 AM

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oh man the dude even made a collection that contains his reupload pack 🙈

stable zealot Apr 10, 2020, 4:17 AM

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I understand the point of view that they want to minimise clutter and decrease the number of required mods so they don't get that cut off when joining thing, but rules are rules. You can't upload content to the SWS you don't own no matter how hard you try to justify it.

stable zealot Apr 10, 2020, 7:21 AM

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Like I said man, I totally get why you would want to do it but you just can't sadly

fossil basalt Apr 10, 2020, 9:01 AM

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And permanently banned.

soft egret Apr 10, 2020, 9:53 AM

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@quasi stream do I interpret that as a "no I don't care" ?

soft egret Apr 10, 2020, 10:09 AM

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Okey, DMCA's and bans it is then, as advertised

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!purgeban @quasi stream 365d IP rights violations, ignoring instructions of moderator

edgy coralBOT Apr 10, 2020, 10:11 AM

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*fires them railguns at @quasi stream* Ò_Ó

soft egret Apr 10, 2020, 10:11 AM

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Have a nice day sir, I'm sure your life server will be a big success

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If we fixed the issue with the Arma Launcher not detecting mods due to being too many, would Life server reupload number suddenly drop?

tropic steeple Apr 10, 2020, 10:47 AM

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i doubt it would drop too much. aside from "convenience", i think an aspect of reuploading mods that they find appealing is they dont have to deal with unexpected mod updates breaking their server. they reupload so they can keep that version of the mod until they're ready to update.

rapid cypress Apr 10, 2020, 10:57 AM

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The people would propably just jump to the next excuse

rapid cypress Apr 10, 2020, 11:14 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2054879117&searchtext=

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TFAR in there

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Also some stuff by @blazing wyvern (I assume), stuff like an AR-10 or an AAC Honey Badger

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Also lots of TRYK stuff

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aswell as Arma 3 Life stuff

faint nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 11:27 AM

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I kinda feel they just want their brand on everything.

rapid cypress Apr 10, 2020, 11:28 AM

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Could be

rapid cypress Apr 10, 2020, 11:50 AM

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Also here's another pack https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2053325571
TFAR, TYRK, ace, SMA

soft egret Apr 10, 2020, 11:56 AM

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Listen, I'm trying to get some actual work done. I don't want to waste my time with hunting down idiots right now

rapid cypress Apr 10, 2020, 11:58 AM

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heh

fossil basalt Apr 10, 2020, 5:03 PM

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You don't have to look far for them....

sudden folio Apr 11, 2020, 8:33 AM

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hey guys i got a question, hope this is the right place to ask

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there are some music pack mods on the workshop that includes music from other games/movies etc

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are those considerend IP rights violations or not? thanks

crystal talon Apr 11, 2020, 8:45 AM

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Most likely

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Doubt that the makers of the movies/games care enough to take action though

sudden folio Apr 11, 2020, 8:46 AM

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i see lol

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thanks

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so it shouldnt eb taken down unless the makers request so right?

crystal talon Apr 11, 2020, 8:48 AM

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If you're asking if you're allowed to make your own mod like that, the answer is no and you won't get endorsed here.

sudden folio Apr 11, 2020, 8:48 AM

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got it

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thanks for the info

fossil basalt Apr 11, 2020, 9:22 AM

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@sudden folio A crime doesn't occur the minute someone gets caught, it occurs when it begins.

sudden folio Apr 11, 2020, 9:24 AM

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👍

dull moon Apr 11, 2020, 11:03 AM

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a "music mod" can be seen as illegal redistribution of copyright protected assets, like sharing a ripped album via torrent.
it is not just an issue for the one who created the mod, but can be also an issue for the one downloading it.
if the rightholder finds out about it and opens a court case, depending on the localization of the downloader this could earn one a fine / compensation from €500,- up to €75.000,- or even more for the "creator" of that mod

soft egret Apr 11, 2020, 12:59 PM

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@upper mantle This mod reupload of yours is violating our rules, take it down or you will be removed.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1902612352
TFAR, Enhanced Movement, RH Weapons, R3F, Kiory's hats, HAFM, FFAA (Spanish Armed Forces) and many more

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@upper mantle as already talked about in the other discord that you were just banned in for the same violations.
Take it down TODAY.

upper mantle Apr 13, 2020, 4:07 PM

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The modpack has been remove. Sorry for the violation of the mod.

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@soft egret

soft egret Apr 13, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Thanks

tough bay Apr 13, 2020, 7:47 PM

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What do I do if my mod was reuploaded? New to this so I have no clue.

dull moon Apr 13, 2020, 7:50 PM

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on steam?

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what mod is it?

tough bay Apr 13, 2020, 7:53 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2006510759&searchtext=Rise+of+Darknes+Main+Mod

dull moon Apr 13, 2020, 7:53 PM

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and the original?

tough bay Apr 13, 2020, 7:53 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1789838131&searchtext=kullervo's has several of my PBOs from this

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including 2 of my originally made models.

dull moon Apr 13, 2020, 7:53 PM

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ok, then send out a DMCA

tough bay Apr 13, 2020, 7:54 PM

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okay just wanna make sure I'm not liable for damages from it

dull moon Apr 13, 2020, 7:54 PM

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you're good if the DMCA is justified

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📎 DMCA1.PNG

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📎 DMCA2.PNG

tough bay Apr 13, 2020, 7:57 PM

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"
Identify the copyrighted work that you claim is being infringed:*"

That's the part I'm confused on.

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cause I just made the blender models and ported to arma without really thinking about stuff like that

dull moon Apr 13, 2020, 7:57 PM

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that's where you link to your original mod on steam

keen trout Apr 13, 2020, 9:13 PM

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that's the reupload

tough bay Apr 13, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Yes, what I linked is the reupload, what is "Kullervo's 40000 factions" is obviously my mod that I uploaded originally, with more subscribers, and earlier original date.

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I don't understand where it the rights end because they're retextures of an existing mod, that I got permissions to make retextures for. There are two of my own models in the mod that I added, fully modeled, textured by me.

cinder ridge Apr 13, 2020, 10:07 PM

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you can safely file a dmca, it should suffice if you write what pbos/models/etc. have been reuploaded and link to said files in your report, so include a link to your (the original) mod and also mention the upload dates of your and the reuploaded mods

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so far thats done the trick for me

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also you can offer to go more in depth/show actual proof (i always do that, but so far wasnt asked to provide any of it)

fossil basalt Apr 13, 2020, 10:22 PM

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Ahh, I see. Thanks for the clarification.

rapid cypress Apr 16, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Here's another repack that Oxi sent me https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1587254515&searchtext=

crystal talon Apr 16, 2020, 5:51 PM

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D:.
├───bootstrap
├───code
├───data
│   ├───2035raf
│   ├───3cb
│   ├───adr97
│   ├───aegis
│   ├───bwmod
│   ├───cup
│   ├───exile_mod
│   ├───ffaa
│   ├───fhq
│   ├───fow
│   ├───ifa3
│   ├───mas
│   ├───niarms
│   ├───proj_infinite
│   ├───rhs
│   ├───sfp
│   ├───sma
│   ├───trebuchet
│   ├───unsung
│   └───vme
└───image
    └───ui

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Yikes

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in secondary_weapons.pbo

faint nacelle Apr 16, 2020, 5:52 PM

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I can see that being hit from all fronts..

crystal talon Apr 16, 2020, 5:52 PM

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@grave elm @undone pier @keen trout @drowsy hound

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@echo orchid

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@dull moon

faint nacelle Apr 16, 2020, 5:54 PM

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that the modpack Pi linked @crystal talon

crystal talon Apr 16, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Yep

scarlet patrol Apr 16, 2020, 6:37 PM

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that has to be one hell of a modpack

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size wise I mean

cinder ridge Apr 16, 2020, 6:38 PM

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i love how he reuploaded the adr even though its part of the main game by now xD

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dont think i ever saw so many big mods in one reupload tho

faint nacelle Apr 16, 2020, 6:38 PM

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very classic I slap my name on everything move

echo orchid Apr 16, 2020, 6:44 PM

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@crystal talon which one?

crystal talon Apr 16, 2020, 6:57 PM

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@echo orchid the one @rapid cypress linked, secondary_weapons.pbo

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I'm just realising now that I'm an idiot and all of the stuff there are proxies going into the secondary weapons slot

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Still a bunch of rips from other mods, but from what I can tell nothing from the major mods. Sorry for the ping, my mistake.

runic heron Apr 16, 2020, 8:22 PM

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guys I have a question if a mod is released on the workshop can it be repacked into a altis life pack if none of the assets are changed or is this a rights violation?

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/\ the mods itself dont mention any copyright info, I'm asking more about the rules on the workshop in general

young hazel Apr 16, 2020, 8:24 PM

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its probably best to ask the mod authors in question prior

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especially in cases of ambiguity, otherwise its most likely a bad idea to republish a mod

runic heron Apr 16, 2020, 8:25 PM

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im not asking for myself I don't know the mods, im unsure about this group who are doing it

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but its generally a good idea to get consent yeah

young hazel Apr 16, 2020, 8:27 PM

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Well if you're concerned that the modpack is violating rights, its probably best to contact the original mod authors so they can file a claim of sorts

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only one of them willing to try and take it down should suffice really

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im unsure of the process of reporting republished content if you dont actually own the content, hence why i reckon its best to contact the original authors of at least one of the mods that are being republished without permission or whatever

runic heron Apr 16, 2020, 8:30 PM

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ah okay ill do some reaching out then, thanks for the help

rustic copper Apr 16, 2020, 8:33 PM

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If no license has been provided, the most strict one must be followed (aka not allowed to do anything)
Steam EULA does not allow uploading content to the workshop without having FULL copyright ownership. So even if a license gives you the right to modify it, you still don't own the content. So you are required to have explicit permission from original author before re-uploading/re-packing content.

runic heron Apr 16, 2020, 8:47 PM

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@rustic copper thanks thats cleared it up

faint nacelle Apr 16, 2020, 9:16 PM

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there also should be no reason for reupload

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Steam collections take care of mass subscriptions

carmine folio Apr 16, 2020, 9:28 PM

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idk if this is the place to ask, but if someone is using a repo and not steam to host my mods without permission and refuses to comply, is the best way to go after their host?

runic heron Apr 16, 2020, 9:32 PM

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im talking with more relation to arma 3 modded life packs that are shared on there discord and never uploaded to the workshop

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sorry eric u just asked the same question 😉

carmine folio Apr 16, 2020, 9:34 PM

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I DMCA'd someones google drive, what I'm wondering is if someone uploads to an FTP and uses that as a repo.

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I just had two seperate discords tell me that "copyright doesn't matter"

runic heron Apr 16, 2020, 9:35 PM

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if u send a dmca cease and desist and make it clear that ur the IP owner i dont see why they would be able to claim it, but i dont know much about this field

carmine folio Apr 16, 2020, 9:36 PM

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a dmca only works on people that thinks they have to care about it.

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I'm wondering if I need to hire an attorney

faint nacelle Apr 16, 2020, 9:50 PM

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That is a possibility.

runic heron Apr 16, 2020, 10:07 PM

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eric what mod is it if you dont mind me asking?

fossil basalt Apr 17, 2020, 7:30 AM

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In short, if its not yours and you don't have legally defensible permission from the ORIGINAL creator, its illegal.

drowsy hound Apr 17, 2020, 4:41 PM

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@crystal talon thanks for that heads-up! Will try to file a DCMA now.

carmine folio Apr 17, 2020, 7:34 PM

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@runic heron "eric_objects"

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@fossil basalt I just wish there was an easier way to go at this across borders, people somehow are under the impression that them being in a different country makes them untouchable

fossil basalt Apr 17, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Thats when you go for their hosting providers, their Google drives, etc.

carmine folio Apr 17, 2020, 7:56 PM

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The google drive I know how to, thankfully. The host provider is more complicated, any way you could elaborate on this?

runic heron Apr 17, 2020, 8:01 PM

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google @carmine folio btw nice pack 👍

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https://support.google.com/legal/answer/3110420?hl=en-GB

crystal talon Apr 17, 2020, 8:04 PM

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@drowsy hound I made a mistake while looking at it

carmine folio Apr 17, 2020, 8:04 PM

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Thank you @runic heron

crystal talon Apr 17, 2020, 8:04 PM

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The stuff is actually proxies for your weapons that go into the seconday wearpon slot

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It isn't actually rips of your models

glacial void Apr 20, 2020, 8:58 AM

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Morning everyone, hope you're all doing well.
Quick question regarding something not exactly mod related. If I create an Arma manual for people in my community, essentially a PDF document explaining some basics we need to teach people and this document is then taken by another community who then replaces all our branding by putting their logo literally on top of ours in photoshop, is that A) reportable and B) reason for them to risk their community advertisements here? All illustrations and imagery inside the manual have been done/taken by me I suppose I would then own the rights to it's distribution along with the content?

soft egret Apr 20, 2020, 9:07 AM

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A) yes
B) yes
Thats plain simple copyright violation

All illustrations and imagery inside the manual have been done/taken by me I suppose I would then own the rights to it's distribution along with the content?
yes

glacial void Apr 20, 2020, 9:08 AM

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What a relief, appreciate the fast response!

soft egret Apr 20, 2020, 9:10 AM

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Game screenshots might be a bit limited, because the content inside them is not yours.
But if you made a manual you'll have self-made illustrations and all the text anyway

glacial void Apr 20, 2020, 9:12 AM

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Thats what I thought as well. Screenshots of other content are among them, naturally I don't own them for example the MKV boat by the RHS team. But the illustrations were drawn by me and of course the text. I'll see if I can reason with them knowing I'm in the right, if that doesn't work I'll be back I suppose

frozen fulcrum Apr 22, 2020, 11:26 PM

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On a real what are you gonna do?

radiant onyx Apr 23, 2020, 3:56 AM

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Pirating , encouraging to pirate & distributing pirated No Steam - Arma 3 + All of its DLC's , Creators DLC + many known mods via torrents. Un-EBOing and stealing content. Reverse engineering Un-wrp-ed Altis, Malden and other terrains, edit, use & share it. Porting terrains to DayZSA and back to Arma 3. Running pirated server with all this.

Its a single individual. Have his personal info & proofs for all the claimed above. I have no idea how effectively fight these kind of scums. Any recommendations? Reportable to infringements@bistudio.com ?

faint nacelle Apr 23, 2020, 3:57 AM

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that could be a good approach yes

soft egret Apr 23, 2020, 7:47 AM

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definitely report yes

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Also if Forum/Discord accounts report these to moderators too so that individual can get removed

supple sinew Apr 24, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Interesting how nothing happened to BIA from last year December sharkdance

brisk ember Apr 24, 2020, 4:59 PM

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shush shifty mah boi @supple sinew 😛

supple sinew Apr 24, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Well they can't go on about how it's against the rules to do what they're doing and then do nothing about it. It's like bruh

brisk ember Apr 24, 2020, 5:21 PM

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I assume they're at least blocked from using official channels?

supple sinew Apr 24, 2020, 5:33 PM

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shrug

rapid cypress Apr 24, 2020, 10:07 PM

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heh

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BI isnt that great at enforcing rules sadly

fossil basalt Apr 25, 2020, 4:01 PM

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If we're aware of someone violating IP, we will shut down any forum/official communication channel from them.

fossil basalt Apr 26, 2020, 7:16 AM

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@jagged flame Explain

jagged flame Apr 26, 2020, 8:42 AM

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@fossil basalt sorry deleted on accident, but if an author signs you rights to use their work, thats permitted, correct?

fossil basalt Apr 26, 2020, 8:59 AM

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It depends on context. The ORIGINAL author and ANY contributors to the original work (this includes Game companies whom the asset may have been made for) would need to transfer their rights (very unlikely) or rights for specific use cases.

What we find all too often is that someone has ripped/ported/stolen an asset from another user/game or has unknowingly downloaded a ripped/ported/stolen asset from either a legitimate or illegitimate Model download site. These sites often advertise a "Royalty Free" license which does not mean what the average user thinks it does.

jagged flame Apr 26, 2020, 9:04 AM

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@fossil basalt understood, for me, if there is any discrepancy i wont work with, but the filtering and testing process i guess has to be done

fossil basalt Apr 26, 2020, 9:05 AM

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The worst outcome you could experience is that someone "signs over "their" rights to you" and you upload it then find out that it was stolen/ripped from another game. At that point, you are legally responsible for the fallout.

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If WE think its been ripped/ported/stolen without consent and you cannot provide verifiable consent to do so, you may be banned (up to and including game ban in some instances) and will be reported to the relevant parties. @jagged flame

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In short, if you are going to buy a legit model, expect that you will pay ALOT of money for it. If you are going to pay that much money for something, ensure that you ask the relevant questions and receive verifiable contact information and explicit consent and rights to do what you intend with it. That is, if your intent is to upload it to the Steam Workshop, ensure that the rights transferred to you EXPLICITLY state that you have permission to do so.

jagged flame Apr 26, 2020, 9:13 AM

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i will endeavour to

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but its tricky

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unless i make it all myself

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lol

fossil basalt Apr 26, 2020, 9:14 AM

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Thats the number one reason people say its better to make it yourself.

jagged flame Apr 26, 2020, 9:14 AM

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tbh, there is only 4 mod authors im truly interested in

fossil basalt Apr 26, 2020, 9:15 AM

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List them and I can probably tell you if its worth your time.

jagged flame Apr 26, 2020, 9:16 AM

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enhanced movement

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Vcom AI

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new player animation mechanics (AWL, Tactical position ready)

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MOCAP

fossil basalt Apr 26, 2020, 9:22 AM

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2 in there I (personally) wouldn't recommend. I'll leave it at that.

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And to clarify, I am NOT incriminating nor pointing the finger at two, its just that for personal reasons, I do not recommend them.

scarlet patrol Apr 26, 2020, 9:58 AM

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there is no rule for that but I don't think BI would allow a dlc that modifies movement and AI

crystal talon Apr 26, 2020, 9:58 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2069631269

faint nacelle Apr 26, 2020, 9:58 AM

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@scarlet patrol? Right channel?

crystal talon Apr 26, 2020, 9:58 AM

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@soft egret TFAR reupload

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And then a bunch of CUP stuff

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VTN mod stuff

scarlet patrol Apr 26, 2020, 10:00 AM

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yeah @faint nacelle
was talking about the conversation above
don't think BI would allow stuff like Vcom or EM in a cdlc, which is what furbzeyy is trying to do

faint nacelle Apr 26, 2020, 10:02 AM

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Oh, that was maybe the part that was deleted above. But yeah unlikely.

crystal talon Apr 26, 2020, 10:02 AM

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https://pastebin.com/VfSwY6Tp complete file list for above upload

brisk ember Apr 26, 2020, 10:07 AM

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@dull moon ^

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and stream it 😛

crystal talon Apr 26, 2020, 10:20 AM

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Already filing a claim

soft egret Apr 26, 2020, 10:22 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/id/NeRoOo98/myworkshopfiles/ that guy has two similar looking uploads

fossil basalt Apr 26, 2020, 10:33 AM

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Good catch @scarlet patrol He never specified (in this channel) that it may be for a CDLC.

crystal talon Apr 26, 2020, 10:34 AM

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I'll check out the second one

soft egret Apr 26, 2020, 10:36 AM

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Yeah CDLC no, seperate compat's from the CDLC makers yes, integrated compatibility yes, but no requiring or including 3rd party mods.

crystal talon Apr 26, 2020, 10:53 AM

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@soft egret https://pastebin.com/iK4dDtVe

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It includes TFAR, but nothing from CUP from what I can tell.

jagged flame Apr 26, 2020, 1:55 PM

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@scarlet patrol not trying to do, thought it maybe possible, but was asking questions on general IP ruling, so i am abiding by all relevant moral ethics and ruling.

scarlet patrol Apr 26, 2020, 1:56 PM

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if you say so
just trying to make that clear since you were interested

jagged flame Apr 26, 2020, 2:01 PM

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if i am trying to make sure i know enough about IP, creative, copyright, and ethical laws by going out of my way to ask and inform myself...then im doing the right thing. Ignorance isnt an excuse. So your ignorance and rudeness in 'if you say so', will also not be an excuse. just want to make that crystal clear also. @scarlet patrol

scarlet patrol Apr 26, 2020, 2:03 PM

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alright I guess
this edit feels kinda unnecessary
I got the point with the first message that you deleted

jagged flame Apr 26, 2020, 2:04 PM

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i did it, as was simply wanting to ask an honest question without the drama queen coming in and causing a scene

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your comment was unnecessary.

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and unwelcome

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and slightly hostile

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which i didnt like, or think was constructive

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i spoke with @fossil basalt and we cleared up the matter

scarlet patrol Apr 26, 2020, 2:05 PM

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I am deeply sorry furbzeyy for offending you

jagged flame Apr 26, 2020, 2:05 PM

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apology accepted, thankyou.

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that was nice, and not toxic, appreciated alot.

radiant onyx Apr 26, 2020, 2:47 PM

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Dedmen, got a few minutes? I need to ask you something in PM , about Arma3 IP rights violation topic I was talking about earlier.

soft egret Apr 26, 2020, 5:18 PM

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never got minutes

grim dagger Apr 27, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Hi, I know of a server violating several non-commercial agreements, is this where I report it?

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How would I go about doing that?

soft egret Apr 27, 2020, 3:56 PM

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monetization@bistudio.com

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That is where you report it, not here

grim dagger Apr 27, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Alright, thank you.

lone basin Apr 27, 2020, 3:58 PM

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It's infringements@bistudio.com, monetization@bistudio.com is for approvals afaik

soft egret Apr 27, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Either works

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Monetization does all monetization stuff, if you are talking about monetization violations that's probably where you wanna be

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Infringements is IP infringements

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Monetization violation is also EULA violation so infringements works too

lone basin Apr 27, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Oh okey, although I've never got a response when writing to monetization, only infringements answered

soft egret Apr 27, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Yeah they rarely reply I guess

lunar geode Apr 27, 2020, 10:22 PM

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@crisp dome @left anchor @dull moon @manic lark

You guys might want to take a look at the mods uploaded by this guy NoMad (https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198022708761) ...something tells me that he doesn't have permission to upload your stuff as his own mods. I have been beating my head against a brick wall with why SMA weapons were loaded when I didn't have the mod downloaded and then when I pulled my RPT file today; when I got a few minutes to look it over I noticed that it was tagged in the DEVGRU mod in the RPT. So I began digging a little deeper and found more.
DEVGRU Mod https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2030386017
DEVGRU Gear Mod https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2025552320

manic lark Apr 27, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Yeah nomad is a known retard

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we will take care of it

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*ripper

lunar geode Apr 27, 2020, 10:25 PM

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10-4 just wanted to point him out

manic lark Apr 27, 2020, 10:25 PM

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sorry autocorrect is wild

lunar geode Apr 27, 2020, 10:25 PM

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retard sounded fine to me but I'm old school and call it like I see it

manic lark Apr 27, 2020, 10:26 PM

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😉

left anchor Apr 27, 2020, 10:29 PM

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someone thought my work was worth stealing? I'm flattered.

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true

fossil basalt Apr 28, 2020, 6:53 AM

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@earnest mirage You do realise that those are prohibited as well right?

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Disney (The Star Wars IP holder) explicitly prohibit the use of their IP to anyone that is not licensed to do so.

soft egret Apr 28, 2020, 7:32 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198022708761/myworkshopfiles
🤦

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1971666939 wait.. GJG? I know that unit

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https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/107713774428884992/703392742809796779

blazing wyvern Apr 30, 2020, 6:13 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2074169201

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hmm

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is this legit?

bronze oasis Apr 30, 2020, 7:35 AM

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It straight up says in the description that the models are from the Half-life games.

soft egret Apr 30, 2020, 7:45 AM

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Man that guy has quite a bit on his plate
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2030386017
ripped content from BF4, Firewills jets, Enhanced Movement, A3_GPNVG18, NiArms, FA-18 Super Hornet @lofty steeple , @rustic copper's ILBE thing, Full SMA, RQ11RAVEN
The funniest thing about it though..
The official USP account congratulated him on the good content.

📎 firefox_2020-04-30_09-45-09.png

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Even a USP gear upload @manic lark , wtf why does USP comment "best content" under a reupload of their own stuff??
Also USAF @crisp dome

soft egret Apr 30, 2020, 8:16 AM

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I looked around at what people that guy is affiliated with
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1389482792
Zade backpack on chest, Diwakos ace ragdolling, ShackTac UI, murshun cigs, MrSanchez Headlamp and others
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1389536035
Kickass, NiArms
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1389485305
Gear Collection / DELTA from albi90, TRYK, @trail shuttle's LBT 6094, VSM

soft egret Apr 30, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Ah look!
@high flax As I see that you are online right now, you can take down your illegal reuploads right now or the DMCA's will take care of it

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!purgeban 258680368180363264 0 abusive language towards moderator, threatening moderator, ip rights violations and refusal to take down dozens of illegal reuploads

edgy coralBOT Apr 30, 2020, 10:10 AM

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*fires them railguns at @high flax* Ò_Ó

soft egret Apr 30, 2020, 10:10 AM

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or not.. Fine by me. Man some people have issues..

fossil basalt Apr 30, 2020, 10:43 AM

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And people wonder why we don't take the "kinder, gentler" approach. This is why. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

soft egret Apr 30, 2020, 11:05 AM

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lol. Attacks me via DM, says I don't know sh** and feel like I'm some big sheriff.
Says he won't take it down, doesn't care about copyright.
20 minutes later:

NoMad [Author] 37 minutes ago
Thanks for the many positive comments. I have only summarized a few mods so that you don't have an untold number of mods in the list and is also a bit more pleasant and clearer. @UnderSiege Productions is it ok that I have summarized your mods in this mod? I think the clothing mod is really awesome.

keen trout Apr 30, 2020, 11:09 AM

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summarized 🤔

rustic copper Apr 30, 2020, 12:24 PM

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sent out a DMCA... let's see how long it takes for Valve to take it down

brisk ember Apr 30, 2020, 12:25 PM

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what mod of yours was in there?

rustic copper Apr 30, 2020, 12:26 PM

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ILBE Assault Pack - Rewrite (https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1875281645)

brisk ember Apr 30, 2020, 12:26 PM

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oh right! sorry I didn't immediately realize that 😅

rustic copper Apr 30, 2020, 12:26 PM

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doesn't matter, I know I'm a small fish in the Workshop 😉

pseudo rock Apr 30, 2020, 2:22 PM

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Dedmen the sheriff

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policing the interwebs

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with a big dmca on his hip

manic lark Apr 30, 2020, 2:54 PM

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@soft egret because we leave funny and entertaining comments on every upload we DMCA

soft egret Apr 30, 2020, 2:55 PM

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but that one wasn't DMCA'ed notlikemeow

manic lark Apr 30, 2020, 2:55 PM

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It should have been

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Idk I don’t handle DMCAs for USP

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Pretty sure if it had our stuff he sent the DMCA though

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Nomad is kind of a known idiot so maybe the DMCA wasn’t sent yet but the comment was added idk

faint nacelle Apr 30, 2020, 3:00 PM

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I think the sarcasm did not go through.

broken hornet Apr 30, 2020, 4:03 PM

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isnt valve content ( half life ) allowed to be used in mods under the steam subscriber agreement?

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guess it depends on your interpretation of “ fan art”

soft egret Apr 30, 2020, 4:07 PM

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Yep exactly that. We already discussed that before, not sure what outcome was

worldly mauve Apr 30, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Question on uploading a mod compilation for use on a private server. My group is wanting to compile several smaller mods into one folder to be hosted on the workshop (for ease of downloading through the launcher). Would I need to get express permission from each mod author in order to do so?

fast topaz Apr 30, 2020, 4:34 PM

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isnt using presets easier?

worldly mauve Apr 30, 2020, 4:35 PM

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It's a hosted dedicated server

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If there's a way to set up presets, I haven't figured it out

lone basin Apr 30, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Question on uploading a mod compilation for use on a private server. My group is wanting to compile several smaller mods into one folder to be hosted on the workshop (for ease of downloading through the launcher). Would I need to get express permission from each mod author in order to do so?
👇 ~~~Yes, you would need the permissions of ALL mod author~~

soft egret Apr 30, 2020, 4:40 PM

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for ease of downloading through the launcher
Just wait a week and you'll get a fix for the launcher problem

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In short you cannot do that, even permission from EVERY single author wouldn't be enough for steam subscriber agreement

worldly mauve Apr 30, 2020, 4:50 PM

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So they're actually fixing the issue with having more than 30 mods not showing any mods in the launcher?

soft egret Apr 30, 2020, 4:50 PM

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I fixed it 2 weeks ago

worldly mauve Apr 30, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Good to know. Thanks.

brisk ember Apr 30, 2020, 5:01 PM

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is there gonna be a new limit? 😛

soft egret Apr 30, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Yes, but you can configure it yourself

pseudo rock Apr 30, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Dedmen you work on the launcher?

soft egret Apr 30, 2020, 5:14 PM

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no

glad sparrow Apr 30, 2020, 7:05 PM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/105792634995388416/705323949017399327
Had hoped you understand the satire in the post, we're the one of the ones who DMCA-ed it.

soft egret Apr 30, 2020, 7:27 PM

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I would've understood that

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if there was a DMCA on that item

manic lark Apr 30, 2020, 7:27 PM

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Its pretty funny

soft egret Apr 30, 2020, 7:27 PM

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but there awasn't

manic lark Apr 30, 2020, 7:27 PM

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yeah sometimes they take a while to show up

glad sparrow Apr 30, 2020, 7:33 PM

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We filed one, may have not shown the banner. It did when I left the page.

fossil basalt Apr 30, 2020, 7:37 PM

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Its there now.

glad sparrow Apr 30, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Yep seen, probably one of the other ones too. Noticed more people had shown interest in it.

manic lark May 2, 2020, 2:52 PM

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@grand river that isnt even a funny joke

grand river May 2, 2020, 4:27 PM

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It wasn’t meant to be one? They’re really good vests and I was wondering what the mod was...

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I didn’t have any malintent

manic lark May 2, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Road Runner is a ripper and im surprised he isnt banned from in here in alignment with his perm forum ban

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the 6094s he uses can be bought on cgtrader or turbosquid forget which ones

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he never made anything himself, only bought and mixed other peoples stuff

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@fossil basalt or someone should ban him

soft egret May 2, 2020, 6:30 PM

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He wasn't active since 2018

manic lark May 2, 2020, 6:31 PM

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for continuities sake

fossil basalt May 2, 2020, 7:08 PM

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I agree.

grand river May 2, 2020, 10:38 PM

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Ohhhhh I see, I didn't know about that

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sorry for the confusion

carmine folio May 3, 2020, 4:01 PM

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this dude took the lcu-1600 from cup and published it to workshop; the lcu is also a part of a modpack he uploaded
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2010713408

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the modpack: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1984074036

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he also stole the aav from cup: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2034254631

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the modpack also includes mods like nimitz and f18

rapid cypress May 3, 2020, 4:17 PM

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is it just me or is the steam page not working?

soft egret May 3, 2020, 4:17 PM

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second

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store and community are offline

rapid cypress May 3, 2020, 4:25 PM

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notlikemeow

faint nacelle May 3, 2020, 4:27 PM

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is this binding contract and does it include rights to all possessions of the uploader? thonk

📎 unknown.png

rapid cypress May 3, 2020, 4:29 PM

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heh

rustic copper May 6, 2020, 12:40 PM

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I'm impressed by the balls that Life servers have to post there "community" here while breaking all rules/laws at once...
eg. https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/107713774428884992/707533262431715348
I checked their Arma3Sync repo, and they simply have one massive repack, all rekeyed, of known mods...

Enhanced Movement
(part from) Vidda
CBA
FHQ Weapons
NIArms
(parts of) RHS
(parts of) SMA
TFAR
and much more (although mostly shady stuff to begin with)

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^^ https://imgur.com/a/Pbvp7hc

crystal talon May 6, 2020, 12:45 PM

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Since when were people going after private repositories?

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Issues are when people upload it onto the workshop/armaholic/wherever in public

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but going after a3sync/swifty or other modpack managers would probably kill most major units.

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Though if they claim to have created this stuff, then that is something different entirely

rustic copper May 6, 2020, 12:48 PM

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there's a difference between using the Workshop vs Private Repo, and ripping content from mod creators...

crystal talon May 6, 2020, 12:50 PM

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Only thing that guy appears to have done differently is just throw it all in one folder, which is bad practice, but I wouldn't count it as ripping.

rustic copper May 6, 2020, 12:51 PM

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and rekeying, and just taking parts of mods instead of the whole thing (which usually means modifying it due to dependencies)

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In short; everything that "we" don't allow on the Steam Workshop is being done in a private repo... So why handle it differently?

soft egret May 6, 2020, 12:58 PM

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Since when were people going after private repositories?
Most are not, and rekeying is also not really a bad thing
just taking parts of mods instead of the whole thing
relatively few modders forbid that

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So why handle it differently?
Because its different.

echo orchid May 6, 2020, 7:29 PM

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@rustic copper Steam requires shared IP rights with Valve, which no one can do but the mod owner

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so all re-uploads are breaking Steam TOS, and most of the EULAs anyways

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ripping - is the process where parts from a mod (as in 3d models) are reveresed engineered and repacked or repurposed

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i don't mind private repros, even Life ones, as long as there is no monetization done

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 4:49 PM

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I really wish it was easier to enforce IP. I've got this guy who is rumored to have worked for BI or still does, who is basically giving me the middle finger when it comes to using my assets without permission.

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Server isn't monatized so BI naturally wants nothing to do with it, so my only other choice seems to be to hire a lawyer in my country to send a dmca claim to some foreign entity that I don't even have a surename on.

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At least I know I must've made something desireable as my mods have now found their way to the middle east

brisk ember May 7, 2020, 5:05 PM

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I think more details would really help people looking to assist you

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Okay @brisk ember . My mods were hosted on a place that is litterally called "CTRLC", it's not running on donations as the owners appear to be having a steady enough income. I was asked by one of the owners if they could use my assets. I said no. I was then made aware they were going to use it anyway. Name of this community is https://ctrlc.life/ .

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I'm unsure whether I'm allowed to post a screenshot here

faint nacelle May 7, 2020, 5:18 PM

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link to one works

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:18 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/5dfJHew.png

faint nacelle May 7, 2020, 5:19 PM

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@carmine folio this is not really the correct way to do this stuff.

lone basin May 7, 2020, 5:21 PM

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Server isn't monatized so BI naturally wants nothing to do with it, so my only other choice seems to be to hire a lawyer in my country to send a dmca claim to some foreign entity that I don't even have a surename on.
I could contact their server host and send a DMCA to them, that could work

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:22 PM

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As these people are clearly counting on the borders between countries and my lack of monetary resources or connections to fight this to be their way forward, I really appreciate it

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Which is what spurted that conversation in the picture above

lone basin May 7, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Send a DMCA to Google, their modpack seems to be on GDrive and it's free

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Google Drive I can deal with, I don't know how to move forward with their host

low pebble May 7, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Just contact them

faint nacelle May 7, 2020, 5:24 PM

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@leaden egret you seem to be here too.

lone basin May 7, 2020, 5:24 PM

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You need to find who is their host and then most host have a DMCA form

low pebble May 7, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Simple whois on the ip should be enough to find it

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Or just Google their ip

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Does the hosts tend to just be "meh, we don't care" ?

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I contacted a lawyer over here but they wanted quote a bit of $

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quite*

lone basin May 7, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Biggest one no (for EU and US atleast)

soft egret May 7, 2020, 5:26 PM

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@carmine folio Well you can either remove it, or you will be removed

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:26 PM

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mhm

faint nacelle May 7, 2020, 5:26 PM

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it is

lone basin May 7, 2020, 5:26 PM

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@carmine folio https://ipinfo.io/AS14061/206.189.176.0/20-206.189.183.128/25 Info on their host

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Cheers @lone basin

lone basin May 7, 2020, 5:26 PM

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(Hope it's ok with mods to send such links?)

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:26 PM

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I'll look up that company

soft egret May 7, 2020, 5:26 PM

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as long as you have description 😄

lone basin May 7, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Okey thanks 🙂

faint nacelle May 7, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Both guys seem to have received lot of help here. nice way to pay back to the community.

soft egret May 7, 2020, 5:27 PM

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They have a 40MB RHS_Weap pbo.. but none of the rest of rhs.. Smells fishy

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:28 PM

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I mean, the place is litterally called "CtrlC"

brisk ember May 7, 2020, 5:29 PM

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oh boi if RHS goes after 'em...

faint nacelle May 7, 2020, 5:29 PM

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so they are "non monetized" was it?

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Mhm

faint nacelle May 7, 2020, 5:29 PM

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I wonder will that hold in closer look

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:29 PM

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or so is claimed

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we pay our own bills ordeal

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This is not a quote btw

soft egret May 7, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Well if anything they are doing it under the table

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:37 PM

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Cheers for the help @soft egret @faint nacelle @lone basin @brisk ember @low pebble

soft egret May 7, 2020, 5:37 PM

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No ping notlikemeow

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@carmine folio taking other peoples mods without permission

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on your server

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Well.. did I get the right guy or not?

brisk ember May 7, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Community around it it called CTRLC - https://ctrlc.life/

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:39 PM

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I'm sorry, you did not

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it's the wrong boolean

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I checked, different profile picture, same name

soft egret May 7, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Why tell me "it is" when I ask if its him 😿

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:39 PM

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what's the odds

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I thought he just changed his profile picture, sorry

rapid cypress May 7, 2020, 5:39 PM

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@carmine folio Click on the MrBoolean in your dm's and check the mutual servers

soft egret May 7, 2020, 5:39 PM

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So you are him afterall

rapid cypress May 7, 2020, 5:40 PM

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ConfusedDog

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Wait..

faint nacelle May 7, 2020, 5:40 PM

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you are listed as their admin?

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in their videos

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:40 PM

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I mean..

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You didn't seem too opposed to that idea

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I never gave permission for them to use it for any other place

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I've made that quite clear

soft egret May 7, 2020, 5:41 PM

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@leaden egret Well we can go that route too.

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Vanguard shut down

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It wasn't their to sell

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You know that

soft egret May 7, 2020, 5:41 PM

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and sold off their stuff
You cannot sell other peoples stuff

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you cannot sell mods at all, it violates the EULA

rapid cypress May 7, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Seems like its time to go after Vanguard aswell heh

low pebble May 7, 2020, 5:42 PM

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This guy 🤦

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:42 PM

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I never SOLD anything to Vanguard, I never MADE anything exclusively for Vanguard

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I voulenteered for Vanguard and itw as up for a whole week

soft egret May 7, 2020, 5:42 PM

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@leaden egret you have 24h hours to remove erics mods from your server. Starting now o7

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:42 PM

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I retexture my assets according to which c ommunity I voulenteer for.

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They've had many textures before

rapid cypress May 7, 2020, 5:43 PM

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^ yes

soft egret May 7, 2020, 5:43 PM

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!purgeban 105575456480239616 0 ip rights violations, using others mods without permission on a life server, refusing to remove them

edgy coralBOT May 7, 2020, 5:43 PM

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*fires them railguns at @faint tendon* Ò_Ó

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:43 PM

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This is what I'm dealing with.

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Sorry about that

rapid cypress May 7, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Sometimes I wish BattlEye would hand out gloobal bans for stuff like IP theft

faint nacelle May 7, 2020, 5:44 PM

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do we still have other mrBoolean here?

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:44 PM

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He wasn't here.

soft egret May 7, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Oh look who's involved with that server. Mister Psisyn. What a surprise

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:44 PM

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It was only his "old" account

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Yeah, I talked to psisyn about this, he said he would "negotiate" but never did anything

soft egret May 7, 2020, 5:45 PM

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He's a constant liar

rapid cypress May 7, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Psisyn
That youtube guys or someone else ?

brisk ember May 7, 2020, 5:45 PM

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psysin is the wrong one to turn to

soft egret May 7, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Don't ever give anything about what he tells you 😄

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:45 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/98aP82G.png

faint nacelle May 7, 2020, 5:45 PM

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for a moment there I could still @ another mrboolean

soft egret May 7, 2020, 5:45 PM

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He is behind all that stuff, and gets paid by the servers to play there

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He'll never do anything against it

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Yeah I'm aware he gets paid to play

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It's how certain servers get anywhere

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evidently

rapid cypress May 7, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Doesnt that violate the monetization rules aswell?

brisk ember May 7, 2020, 5:46 PM

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maybe that means they shouldn't be in the first place 😉

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:46 PM

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I agree @brisk ember

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It's all copy paste now, I just found my stuff on an arabic server today too

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still trying to get ahold of the owner

soft egret May 7, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Every server psisyn plays on is worth looking at. There is always SOMETHING shady going on

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:46 PM

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The guy I got ahold of said they bought it off an altis shop

soft egret May 7, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Yes you do

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https://www.battlemetrics.com/servers/arma3/6203478

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you don't?

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It has 0 players in the last 5 days. But his stuff is still in your modpack, on your google drive.

lone basin May 7, 2020, 5:50 PM

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They also have it on their FTP: ftp://206.189.183.219/.a3s/../@CtrlCLife/ which is publicaly accesible

soft egret May 7, 2020, 5:51 PM

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You still have time till tomorrow to remove it

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I don't care if its up publicly, or up passworded

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Does that mean you don't want to remove it?

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I'll remove you if you don't remove it

lone basin May 7, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Discord and other BI platforms

soft egret May 7, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Having fun playing stupid i guess.

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or.. not "playing"

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They did

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:55 PM

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You know I have an issue with you using eric_objects @leaden egret

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I messaged boolean, are you telling me he's not at all associated with you?

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Mhm, so are you going to take it down now that you've been made aware of the issue?

faint nacelle May 7, 2020, 5:56 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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this guy?

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:57 PM

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I messaged that guy, yes.

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My question stands.

faint nacelle May 7, 2020, 5:57 PM

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well back then he was assosiated with you

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so will you now take action that you have been notified of the problem?

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🙂

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Hopefully your actions prove you are man of your word then.

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Just to clarify, what will that action consist of?

faint nacelle May 7, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Why do I have a feeling that for you 🙂 is like giving the middle finger.

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ah

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figures, you are just another thief then.

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nothing special here.

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so you say. probably a lie too.

soft egret May 7, 2020, 6:11 PM

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Actually. you do

faint nacelle May 7, 2020, 6:11 PM

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your twitch and youtube chanels might need a bit of cleanup though

soft egret May 7, 2020, 6:11 PM

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You use other peoples work without permission, to make your server more interesting for players and get higher player counts -> profit

faint nacelle May 7, 2020, 6:12 PM

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you sure all your content is made with clean non stolen material?

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 6:13 PM

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Seeing as you used the word "profit" it synonyms to "advantage" and being able to use someone elses work and hence obtain an advantage through doing so, you do profit.

faint nacelle May 7, 2020, 6:14 PM

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goon squad appears?

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spamming this channel with nonsense is fast way to get kicked out btw.

soft egret May 7, 2020, 6:19 PM

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!purgeban 146754607425519616 0 ip rights violations, using others mods without permission on a life server, refusing to remove them

edgy coralBOT May 7, 2020, 6:19 PM

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*fires them railguns at @leaden egret* Ò_Ó

soft egret May 7, 2020, 6:20 PM

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!purgeban 187702783158255617 708016335455518741 225707244271042560 60d life server troll wave related to ctrl-c Austin 146754607425519616

edgy coralBOT May 7, 2020, 6:20 PM

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*fires them railguns at @ruby vigil, @left slate and @fierce silo* Ò_Ó

soft egret May 7, 2020, 6:22 PM

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Always getting confirmation that your actions are justified when the troll wave rolls in

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!purgeban 287637021969743872 0 ip rights violations, using others mods without permission on a life server, refusing to remove them

edgy coralBOT May 7, 2020, 6:31 PM

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*fires them railguns at @lilac urchin* Ò_Ó

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 9:07 PM

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So I have a related question, how do you deal with it when it's a person or persons who decide to take it upon themselves to sell your content to others causing you to have to tell others that the entity they bought it from committed fraud?

soft egret May 7, 2020, 9:08 PM

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I just tell them "well tough luck, you're stupid and got scammed, still cannot use that stuff so take it off or I'll make you do it."

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 9:09 PM

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It doesn't stop the fraudulent person from making $ of your work

soft egret May 7, 2020, 9:10 PM

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Well are people still selling ripped DVD's from movies? Are (specifically a certain Asian country) still selling F-tons of illegal counterfits?
Can you do much about that? Not really.

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 9:10 PM

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and I'll just end up playing wack-a-mole

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Fair enough

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I know the dude that's doing this, though

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Not by name, but by nickname

soft egret May 7, 2020, 9:11 PM

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If you are a big companie with well paid lawyers that can put pressure on whole other countries, then sure you can do a little.

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Well, I should be able to obtain his rl name from the paypal transaction

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But there's not much else to do from there as I'm not about to dox him

soft egret May 7, 2020, 9:12 PM

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could probably turn that into a case. Am not a lawyer don't know your chances

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 9:13 PM

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I'll check, but seeing as I don't see his name in this discord, I expect there's a reason for that. EDIT: Certainly he could've just never joined but yeah. The version I got off them had been cracked open.

soft egret May 7, 2020, 9:14 PM

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If you want to get away from such garbage. You need to get away from Arma and basically every game that has a "RP" scene

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Once your game with a active modding scene gets kids and a "RP" scene, its over.

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 9:15 PM

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I'm pretty much done with RP, to me it has all turned into a bunch of kids that want to swing their rp member at you for having some made up fly-by-night title while playing cops and robbers

soft egret May 7, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Also stay away from games that are available in Russia and China.

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Anything blizzard made?

brisk ember May 7, 2020, 9:16 PM

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I hope there will be a "no RP/Life" section in the arma 4 TOS 😛

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 9:16 PM

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A4L is going to be a thing unless that happens

soft egret May 7, 2020, 9:16 PM

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blizzard games aren't really moddable and don't have a RP scene, so no worries.
But you'll not gonna make content for that probably then so.. no worries there either. No content, no stealing.

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Thought you meant more in regards to their ethics

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censorship and all

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tossing people overboard when it doesn't suit them to keep them

soft egret May 7, 2020, 9:18 PM

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I guess if you want to stay sane, you should just become a farmer, noones gonna copy and sell your stuff.

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But doing stuff with video games.. nah stay away. Average general intelligence is just too low to expect people to be reasonable

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 9:20 PM

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The more I deal with a3rp, the more I dislike people in general

soft egret May 7, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Oooor.. you build one huuuge like-minded community. Thats so big that they have the ability to exclude anyone they choose from literally anything and just push bad guys away from the game and keep them away forever

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 9:21 PM

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I thought me and the individual in question today had a good relationship, a neutral one at least, of where even if we voulenteered for different people, at least there was some common mutual respect of boundaries

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I don't really want to go too far off topic for the channel, else I'd be discussing what you just wrote

soft egret May 7, 2020, 9:22 PM

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I went offtopic hours ago

carmine folio May 7, 2020, 9:23 PM

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All I know is occasionally someone comes by and tells me to not talk about the wrong things in the wrong channel

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Which is fair

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The original A3L was built on so much "stolen" content, and it grew to the size you spoke of

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And bad people were booted, but they were bad at the core

soft egret May 7, 2020, 9:24 PM

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That huge community thing actually working quite well. Look at RHS/CUP.
The people who contribute there know that their work will be appreciated, not stolen, and protected by everyone on the team and even outside of the team.
Getting to contribute in such teams is the best that can happen to you
Sane people know how important such modders and groups are, and know to protect them with all they got.

Sadly especially the life scene has a VERY noticable lack of sane people
Now come the people saying i talk bad about life for no reason, and that its not as bad as I make it. You guys just need to scroll up. And I don't mean hours or days, i mean years of this channel. Have fun.

dull moon May 8, 2020, 12:59 AM

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still the same

soft egret May 8, 2020, 7:01 AM

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Still ripped stuff violating disneys IP rights.

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and that will never change

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Somehow people think they can just change ip law

fossil basalt May 8, 2020, 7:50 AM

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Never take anyone else's work. Its quite simple.

crystal talon May 8, 2020, 8:07 AM

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You've been added to the SW:OP ban list
https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/105792634995388416/675213890270920704

fossil basalt May 8, 2020, 11:11 AM

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So I would imagine SW: Opposition is not favored in this channel. Due to their initial fallout on Steam back in the day, but how are they now in the public eye?
@carmine folio They are never welcome here due to stolen/ripped/IP violating content. Any Star Wars group that advertises here is banned for that very reason.

crystal talon May 8, 2020, 3:01 PM

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Sarcastic

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But yeah that is a thing

fossil basalt May 8, 2020, 4:46 PM

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@carmine folio No one really gives a S**t whether they get on their (SWOP) bad side or not as everything they are doing is illegal anyway. They are banned from every official platform and I doubt anyone would pee on them them even if they were on fire. GOOD RIDDANCE.

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If you're one of those who use "their" assets, you might want to show yourself the door.

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They will NEVER be welcome in ANY legitimate gaming community

austere shard May 8, 2020, 5:06 PM

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What is the legal status of There Is Only War? I know it's stated everywhere on their mod that GW owns the rights.

fossil basalt May 8, 2020, 5:08 PM

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@austere shard GW?

austere shard May 8, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Games Workshop

fossil basalt May 8, 2020, 5:09 PM

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If GW hasn't given explicit rights to There Is Only War or a blanket set of permissions to everyone else, then its FORBIDDEN.

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For many years this community has been known as the premium addon/mod creating community, people work tirelessly and in great detail to create fantastic addons/mods/missions/campaigns to release for free so that everyone benefits, including Bohemia Interactive. There are a few simple rules in place to provide the respect to these creative people/groups that they deserve:

The first and most fundamental rule is that you must seek permission to alter someone's work, to mirror it or use it in any way other than for personal use. No permission, no editing, no mirroring, no adding to your mod pack, no editing and sharing around your private squad, none of that is acceptable.

On these forums you must follow this rule, if a person/team post a thread to share an addon/mod using content from someone else without permission and we receive a complaint then the mod thread will be closed until the issue is resolved and the forum member(s) risks being permanently banned from these forums for taking someone's work without permission.

This isn't just limited to re-using content in addons/mods/missions however, it's not acceptable to edit someone's work without permission and then to post screenshots of it on the forums (even if the edited addon/mod is purely for personal use), it's also not acceptable to edit someone's work, or use someone's work in any way that you don't have permission for and then to create videos which you post on these forums, doing any of the above without the permission of the original creators risks a permanent ban, for individuals, for whole mod teams or squads.```

austere shard May 8, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Got it thank you!

rapid wagon May 8, 2020, 6:06 PM

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There Is Only War uses models of their own. The only thing they don't have right to is the warhammer 4000k IP.
From GW's own IP policy https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Intellectual-Property-Policy


*Make it clear that what you are doing is entirely unofficial. Whether it’s your club or tournament name, a domain name or the title of some fan-fiction, please make it clear from the naming, content and manner of presentation that it is unofficial. To that end, please do not exclusively use Games Workshop’s logos or marks on any of the things you are devising, and please do include the word ‘unofficial’ prominently on your website, poster or other materials. For example, don’t use ‘The Warhammer Club’ or ‘spacehulk.com’. Instead, create your own names, such as ‘The Hellfire Hunters’ or ‘cleanseandburn.com’ or other far more creative names!```

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also #other_ip_topics (?)

carmine folio May 8, 2020, 6:07 PM

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Does anyone here have the "in the absence of a lisence" quote?

fossil basalt May 8, 2020, 6:11 PM

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For many years this community has been known as the premium addon/mod creating community, people work tirelessly and in great detail to create fantastic addons/mods/missions/campaigns to release for free so that everyone benefits, including Bohemia Interactive. There are a few simple rules in place to provide the respect to these creative people/groups that they deserve:

The first and most fundamental rule is that you must seek permission to alter someone's work, to mirror it or use it in any way other than for personal use. No permission, no editing, no mirroring, no adding to your mod pack, no editing and sharing around your private squad, none of that is acceptable.

On these forums you must follow this rule, if a person/team post a thread to share an addon/mod using content from someone else without permission and we receive a complaint then the mod thread will be closed until the issue is resolved and the forum member(s) risks being permanently banned from these forums for taking someone's work without permission.

This isn't just limited to re-using content in addons/mods/missions however, it's not acceptable to edit someone's work without permission and then to post screenshots of it on the forums (even if the edited addon/mod is purely for personal use), it's also not acceptable to edit someone's work, or use someone's work in any way that you don't have permission for and then to create videos which you post on these forums, doing any of the above without the permission of the original creators risks a permanent ban, for individuals, for whole mod teams or squads.```

carmine folio May 8, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Thank you.

crystal talon May 13, 2020, 9:52 AM

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@echo orchid https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2094853273&searchtext=

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contains RHSAFRF

soft egret May 14, 2020, 7:31 PM

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@vocal remnant
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2083391557
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2081980613
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2081960362
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2080232359
Illegal reuploads are not tolerated here, take these down immediately.

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thanks. Keep in mind that steam workshop only allows you to upload your own content (basically)
And our rules also forbid taking anyones things without permission

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You can ask the author, or make your own arma3sync or similar repo.
But steam workshop rules specifcally forbid reuploading other peoples stuff.
I don't know if the bisign needs to be right next to a pbo, maybe you can also just make your own mod, with only the bisign files inside, never tried that

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That one also violates steam Subscriber Agreement

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Its much easier to ask the author to add bisigns to the mod

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sigma Security Group... rings a bell..

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yeah.. i know

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don't feel like downloading and checking for all the ripped stuff yet again

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yeah thats what i was looking at

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Don't know if what you say is actually in there

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if yes then definitely

keen vale May 14, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Authorization for reuploading was sought from all authors

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I will glady take down any if indeed in direct violation

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I did my due diligence, if that is not sufficient I will not contest any direction. Sigma Security is in no way affiliated with Echelon International. Also, we do not monetize anything on our server.

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same

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sought express permission

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to use their configs, yes

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retextures are allowed if I'm not mistaken

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Also, I would just like to say that @vocal remnant is on a personal vendetta ever since he was banned from our community. I would have no issue with somebody else from a third party looking into this.

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And I prefer not to air dirty laundry in here, not the place to do that

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if any party has issues, they may contact @normal mortar privately

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Again, myself and the community I represent are not out to violate any rights. If that did happen, it was on accident and we will rectify it immediately.

brisk ravine May 14, 2020, 8:05 PM

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I'll second that. If RHS or BI would like to discuss anything I've published, then they or thier representatives are encouraged to contact me personally.

echo orchid May 14, 2020, 8:08 PM

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@brisk ravine what did you publish?

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@vocal remnant they don’t need permission to use mods, unless its monetized server

normal mortar May 14, 2020, 8:08 PM

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Config file changes for RHS armor and i think another config change, Pufu

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I believe I messaged you a while back about it.

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and some retextures.

soft egret May 14, 2020, 8:16 PM

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Also, we do not monetize anything on our server.
Copyright doesn't care about monetization.
What about the edit of the vinilla ammo box?
Thats just a retexture

normal mortar May 14, 2020, 8:17 PM

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If specific content is an issue, please let me know and I will do everything that I can to resolve the situation, but to my knowledge, we have done everything we can to ensure we are not stealing content from other developers. Many of the people that work on things for us are also content creators and developers. We truly understand the hard work that goes into creating these mods and want to ensure that each person is getting their credit. We are not a monetized server and we do not intend to ever do what Echelon International has ever done. I was a staff member under that unit and was given the reigns, so to speak. We have worked hard to distance ourselves from the wrongdoings of Fros7bite. We are a completely different community with a completely different staff. The only thing that we retained from "the old flag" is our discord server, which was fully rebranded.

Thank you for your understanding and again, please contact me directly if you have specific issues and I will do my best to resolve them.

@soft egret @echo orchid @vocal remnant

soft egret May 14, 2020, 8:17 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2073247525
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1988452582
Guess I need to waste another afternoon on checking something from Echolon/Sigma...

normal mortar May 14, 2020, 8:18 PM

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SIGPAT was a mod that was fully created by @brisk ravine and are uniform retextures. I will leave the specifics of that mod to him.

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We are not Echelon International.

brisk ravine May 14, 2020, 8:19 PM

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SIGPAT is purely a vanilla retexture

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Nothing more, nothing less

soft egret May 14, 2020, 8:20 PM

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As was some of frostbites stuff, vanilla retextures. Just turned out they were ripped/edited vanilla models.. with retextures..

brisk ravine May 14, 2020, 8:20 PM

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You're welcome to unpack my mod and examine it youself

soft egret May 14, 2020, 8:20 PM

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yeah I will have to anyway

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So @vocal remnant didn't you say you were taking them down? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2080232359 this is still up?

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I'd prefer you take care of your own business before minding others

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yes

echo orchid May 14, 2020, 8:21 PM

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config changes and retextures are, in most cases tolerated

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reuploads aren’t

normal mortar May 14, 2020, 8:22 PM

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We have done zero changes to 3D models.

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And we have not specifically claimed that we have created any of the content. We have given credit for everything included inside of the "Sigma Security Group Operator Pack"

soft egret May 14, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Thanks for bringing up potential violations, I might take a look at that.
But please don't turn this into a discussion that'll just run around in circles in half an hour

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Copyright law doesn't really care about giving credit, or monetization.
Taking other peoples stuff without permission is a no-go.
And even with permission, it might violate steam subscriber agreement specifically.

echo orchid May 14, 2020, 8:25 PM

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@vocal remnant before i waste my time chasing ghosts

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what is the rob?

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prb?

normal mortar May 14, 2020, 8:29 PM

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I will be in constant contact, but some of our members live in timezones from around the globe, so an informed response may take some time.

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If RHS would like those retextures removed, we absolutely will comply immediately.

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and any other mod developer

echo orchid May 14, 2020, 8:47 PM

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@vocal remnant dude

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are you half retarded?

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stop talking in my ducking name

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you have no idea what you are talking about

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@soft egret as you are aware i am more than capable to deal with ip issues, i really don’t need people like @vocal remnant boy here to send me on goose chases or say he spoken to me about something he hasn’t

pine juniper May 14, 2020, 9:27 PM

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For the someteenth time, Sigma has absolutely zero affiliation with Echelon and everything that Frostbite stole, we've done nothing but try to purge from the workshop and forwarded to @echo orchid and @glad sparrow any time we've seen it.

@vocal remnant for the record has knowingly reuploaded that exact stolen content at least once so the fact that he's now trying to report us for stealing content is ironic to say the least.

He was banned from Sigma three months ago for immaturity and trolling and has been on an endless vendetta against us ever since. He's tried to harass our members, steal our mission files, rejoin our server under different IPs and Discord accounts to evade his ban, and now try to DMCA our mod by accusing us of stealing content we explicitly received permission to use.

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If we were to pack RHS models into our mod, it'd be duplicate content anyway since we still use all of RHS' mods. We have retextures in the Operator Pack, which are completely permitted, as well as content from other abandoned mods that we have explicitly asked the original authors to edit and repack into our mod.

manic lark May 15, 2020, 4:03 AM

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@pine juniper what exact are the "other abandoned mods" if you dont mind me asking

pine juniper May 15, 2020, 12:47 PM

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They're all listed in the description of our in house mod that was linked above

vocal briar May 15, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Can i use someone else's screenshot of arma 3 without their permission on a website, if they publicize the image?

rustic copper May 15, 2020, 3:19 PM

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uhm... no...

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copyright still applies, and asking for permission shouldn't be too hard to do 😉

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or recreate the screenshot and make it your own

vocal briar May 15, 2020, 3:21 PM

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I was under the impression that Bohemia owned all media produced from their game.

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https://www.bohemia.net/community/game-content-usage-rules

rustic copper May 15, 2020, 3:23 PM

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What can I do with content made by other users?
You must respect the copyright of other people, not just Bohemia Interactive, if it infringes someone else’s rights then you can’t do it. Usually there is a clear license included with each work. If there is no clear license, you are simply not authorized to use it. Just because something is available for download doesn't mean that you can freely use it.

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same page ^^

vocal briar May 15, 2020, 3:24 PM

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I read that part, but i am confused. If i take a screenshot in game then publize it. Others can not use my image. I feel like it isn't that simple.

rustic copper May 15, 2020, 3:25 PM

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that is how copyright works...

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you made it, you own it

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unless you give permission to others to use it

vocal briar May 15, 2020, 3:25 PM

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Can i revoke permission?

rustic copper May 15, 2020, 3:26 PM

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technically yes

vocal briar May 15, 2020, 3:27 PM

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Can you explain further?

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What do you mean by technically

rustic copper May 15, 2020, 3:29 PM

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In short yes, you can revoke permission or a license when given before.
The "technical" part depends on how the permission was given, or which license attached, and which conditions applied

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eg. if your license doesn't include a "revoke" part it might be (legally) harder to revoke it

vocal briar May 15, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Can anyone else corraborate this? I was under the impression that screenshots of video games were considered fair use.

rustic copper May 15, 2020, 3:31 PM

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check this website regarding copyright and stuff in general; https://arma3practicalipguide.blogspot.com/

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because Fair Use doesn't mean you can use it any way you want... it means you may use it under specific conditions without breaking copyright laws

vocal briar May 15, 2020, 3:33 PM

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What if the image is using modded equipment and uniforms that i have made.

rustic copper May 15, 2020, 3:34 PM

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for that you should talk to a Copyright Lawyer...

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although that depends on the license you have attached to your content 🤔

echo orchid May 15, 2020, 3:35 PM

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@vocal briar you cannot actually own an image, just because you own the content used in that image

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example: ferrari doesn't own any picture taken of a ferrari

midnight tartan May 18, 2020, 9:38 AM

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That doesnt sound entirely correct. Trademarks for example could prohibit you for selling a photo of a ferrari

echo orchid May 18, 2020, 11:22 AM

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lol what?

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trademarks could prohibit from selling a photo you took yourself? in what country?

keen trout May 18, 2020, 11:27 AM

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kinda reserved but an artist won against volkswaven for taking photos with their cars infront of an art museum, https://news.artnet.com/art-world/ai-weiwei-vw-refugees-1603096

echo orchid May 18, 2020, 11:58 AM

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it is not the same thing

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but yeah, was aware of that

south nimbus May 18, 2020, 1:51 PM

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Have a question if I have permission for mods from there makers and I ask for it under the name of a project i.e CityRP and I am now changing said name to something ells would I need to go through and get all the permission re done under the new name or could I still use the permission used for the project? In normal world I would guess so but as this is a computer game am not sure on how to go about this and if I did have to reacquire them if I would be given them or if the mod makers are around as I know some of the mods I use there makers have moved or sadly passed away. List of my permission: Granted rights list: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xEO2X2vTp4tlkpq2q2uo6uCCSJmERswYoaudxh6Jaxk/edit?usp=sharingand Denied rights list: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vfs2_fNM-_jFc9HG96ePaFca3tlRqfbMW7pOr3Ovg8U/edit?usp=sharing

rapid cypress May 18, 2020, 1:59 PM

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I dont think the name really matters as long as you dont have anything like legally binding contracts that only grant you permission to use stuff for that certain project under that name

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Btw good on you for clearly detailing who accepted and denied your requests

dull moon May 18, 2020, 2:02 PM

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do yourself and your player the favor and do NOT repack mods that are available on the workshop, even if you have permission. this only leads to redownloading content many already have

rapid cypress May 18, 2020, 2:03 PM

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Oh ye iirc you are also only allowed to upload stuff you own/made to the workshop

south nimbus May 18, 2020, 2:06 PM

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as far as I know I don't think I have anything that is legally binding under the name City.rp and we are looking to change this as the project is not a Life mod and we keep getting people try to join it think it is one. my mod is a bit of a mix of RP.Life with Mil-sim and zombies so the team I have is think of change the name to something that fit that. I also don't think we use workshop as many mod maker have told us we can't use there addons on steam so we dont have a steam workshop page yet until we replace everything with our own made mods. But thanks for the info am take it all down so dont end up with issues

soft egret May 19, 2020, 4:27 PM

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@errant phoenix
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2091775983
This item contains tons of illegal mod reuploads, including my Zeus cache, and @stoic beacon's ace animations.
Take that down immediately. And when I say immediately I mean it.

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What is it with all those star wars modders literally every single time causing IP issues?
Are

Meaning you cannot reupload it to the workshop, cannot share it without giving credit (not removing my name from the pbo is enough), and cannot sell it. In short, keep your filthy hands off of my stuff.
and
You are not allowed to:
upload the material for public download purposes. (This includes, but is not limited to: Steam Workshop, Websites, Repositories.)
Really so hard to understand?!

echo orchid May 19, 2020, 4:39 PM

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ARES International is using the following mods while patreon monetization

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/701838487036493895/710900327812956160/Arma_3_Preset_Ares_International_COOL.html

https://www.patreon.com/ares_international

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@dull moon - CUP

soft egret May 19, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Can you and cup take care? I really don't have the time for this shi

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Kola's tfar anims are in there too

echo orchid May 19, 2020, 4:40 PM

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i am in the process of spanking

stoic beacon May 19, 2020, 4:40 PM

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They are not even approved for monetization

soft egret May 19, 2020, 4:40 PM

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oh wow

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the owner of ares international was banned a few days ago