#ip_rights_violations | ARMA | Page 51

echo orchid Jan 7, 2019, 12:07 PM

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because every compatibility addon made in relation to RHS (where RHS classes are used) is actually a breach from ND

brisk ember Jan 7, 2019, 12:07 PM

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On the mod from KGG?

echo orchid Jan 7, 2019, 12:08 PM

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every single RHS compatibility addon for NIArms

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i haven't checked but if any of that uses RHS classes, it goes under the ND clause

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so is any other soundmod, retexture mod etc if you really wanna go very anal about legality of things

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it's always up to the authors to DMCA such uploads though, so if the 3CB lads don't wanna do it, or anyone else for that matter, then we are all wasting our time

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well, unless @pliant oar wants to step up that is

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1616214295
RHS, VSM, NiArms and some others that are not listed. RHS DMCA in progress

wary tundra Jan 7, 2019, 12:31 PM

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We always try and give people the benefit of the doubt and 99% of the time people do remove. That's our experience. I know it's seen as a waste of time by many. And indeed different to the result others have had.

If they persist in hosting, then a DMCA will get filed. I cannot do it personally it needs to come from the owner of the 3CB Steam profile.

compact timber Jan 7, 2019, 1:24 PM

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It gets better and better, in the German Forum they wrote they want to go to german court 😂

soft egret Jan 7, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Their excuse of max 30 mods is a poor one at best.
I actually see that as a valid thing. That's why you make dummy mods with dependencies.. But.. Dummy mods. EMPTY dummy mods. You don't Fkin reupload other peoples stuff into dummy mods. Looks like one of their tech guys had the idea, and then one of their admins took it ad absurdum.

@brisk ember Isn't DMCA only valid if your own license prohibits it? Read again what I wrote above.
author file a DMCA takedown request based on a violation of Steam TOS Dude. Read my message. That's exactly what I talked about
but can 3CB file a DMCA based only on Steam TOS violation, while their own license doesn't strictly prohibit uploading to Steam Dude FKIN read my message. I just explained exactly that. That is how this conversation started.

bronze oasis Jan 7, 2019, 1:34 PM

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What german forum?

echo orchid Jan 7, 2019, 1:35 PM

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@soft egret the 30 mods thing is indeed a problem, but it isn't being solved by pissing on someone's IP rights

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take with BI and/or Steam

soft egret Jan 7, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Yeah. They did almost everything correct with the dummy mods. That's a valid solution to the problem and someone (obviously not the uploader as he didn't understand shit) solved it correctly. Then that cognitively underdeveloped human came along and reused the valid solution, and added a couple illegal mod reuploads to it. I guess the guy who originally had the idea couldn't explain him how to properly add a dependency. He was probably banned from the group for having too advanced brain abilities.

brisk ember Jan 7, 2019, 2:08 PM

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PuFu answered my question, no need to get upset about it 😉

soft egret Jan 7, 2019, 2:16 PM

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The PBO file format is not protected in any way right? Can I use the format for personal projects, with self written tools? Thinking about bundling the TFAR radio sounds in a pbo for easier redistribution, to be read by the TS plugin.

dull moon Jan 7, 2019, 2:38 PM

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@wary tundra
everyone who is listed as (co)author on the steam workshop page of an item is allowed to file DMCAs. consider adding trusted folks from 3CB to your items

📎 contributor.PNG

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this is what the CUP Terrains Core page looks like

soft egret Jan 7, 2019, 3:02 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=969966899 they deleted all comments ._. But it was so much fun

brisk ember Jan 7, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Lol. They listed Steam Workshop License?

soft egret Jan 7, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Yeah. Last comment by me was asking them what that's supposed to be. Then all comments disappeared

dull moon Jan 7, 2019, 3:08 PM

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for ze germans, pure gold
https://armaworld.de/index.php?thread/4240-sprechen-statt-dmca/&postID=33982#post33982
i was pissing myself roling on the floor

ArmAWorld | Die ArmA - Community für den deutschsprachigen Raum

Sprechen statt DMCA - ArmAWorld | Die ArmA - Community für den de...

Moin,

Aufgrund das es in unserem Clan schon mehrfach vorgekommen ist schreibe ich jetzt diesen Post.
Vorsichtshalber schon einmal im Bällebad.

Liebe Arma 3 Modcreator bitte sprecht/schreibt zu erst mit den Leuten die eure Copyright Rechte verletzten…

soft egret Jan 7, 2019, 3:09 PM

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wipes up the piss

dull moon Jan 7, 2019, 3:09 PM

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no, leave it. it's warm

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😄

brisk ember Jan 7, 2019, 3:10 PM

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My German isn't that advanced...

echo orchid Jan 7, 2019, 3:10 PM

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lol what the fuck

soft egret Jan 7, 2019, 3:10 PM

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For the non germans

This evening we actually wanted to invite to a workshop on a TS on the subject of copyright, ownership and licensing law and Co from a German point of view for the ARMA community.

Unfortunately, we are unable to hold our workshop because we do not want to give our opponents insights into our working methods.

That comes from the group that's violating

echo orchid Jan 7, 2019, 3:10 PM

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what german fucking court are they talking about?

carmine folio Jan 7, 2019, 3:10 PM

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I never imagined when I wrote and published my mods that they would be stolen and reuploaded more than they were officially just downloaded but that is what has happened to a factor of 2:1

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The fact that this is so common, and the thought pattern of believing they are right is kind of incredible. I don't really want the aggravation of enforcing the license and dealing with it but peoples attitude to other peoples inventions is kind of weird. I am all for balance in the copyright system but the internet never ceases to shock in how toxic such vast number of human beings are!

echo orchid Jan 7, 2019, 3:12 PM

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a. Steam is an US company, hence it answers to US laws (DMCA is part of US IP legislation)
b. If i am gonna take you up to court, i will take you to where the brand is registered, not where you are living

brisk ember Jan 7, 2019, 3:13 PM

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What got deleted though?

echo orchid Jan 7, 2019, 3:14 PM

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all the comments on that page

brisk ember Jan 7, 2019, 3:14 PM

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True, but I read something about a mod being taken down?

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On that forum

soft egret Jan 7, 2019, 3:14 PM

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yeah they had two reuploads on steam

brisk ember Jan 7, 2019, 3:15 PM

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They deleted their temporary one but not the real one?

soft egret Jan 7, 2019, 3:15 PM

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ye

brisk ember Jan 7, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Pffft... To think I held KGG in high regard

soft egret Jan 7, 2019, 3:18 PM

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And on their main upload (they edited it 2 hours ago) they either will still face the 3CB DMCA, or they silently removed the violation while at the same time loudly big mouthing that they'll never comply and are willing to go to court to get their "right"
Oh and the uploader also made his steam profile private, as if that would change anything

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Uhm... https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/178540-ingame-9liners-notepad/?do=findComment&comment=3305409 So they couldn't contact him.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1210050323 but they have his mod, under their name ?

They just created a github repo and open sourced his mod and uploaded it to steam with their name on it as authors, without being able to contact him?

river spear Jan 7, 2019, 3:26 PM

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Jesus Christ the thread is pure gold, how can one be so delusional (regarding the german thread)

brisk ember Jan 7, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Chief Wiggum is aware and allows it

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See steam workshop comments

soft egret Jan 7, 2019, 3:29 PM

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Ah. Skimmed through the comments but missed that apparently.

brisk ember Jan 7, 2019, 3:29 PM

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It's on the 2nd or 3rd page

burnt oak Jan 7, 2019, 6:39 PM

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I am beginning to add some disclaimer in my license for mods, I know no one reads them but hey. I can just go "I told you" then. Can someone confirm if this is correct?

For your Steam accounts safety, do not reupload it to the workshop as it voilates Steam Subscriber Agreement section 6D.

soft egret Jan 7, 2019, 6:41 PM

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"do not reupload this" maybe?

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violates*

burnt oak Jan 7, 2019, 6:43 PM

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👍

For your Steam accounts safety, do not reupload this mod to the steam workshop as it violates Steam Subscriber Agreement section 6D.

carmine folio Jan 7, 2019, 6:52 PM

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From within game we don't have a way to determine where a mod was loaded from do we? Because if we did then we could stop repacks from working and warn the user.Wouldn't stop the ones intent on breaking the IP but it would weed out all the ones that did it accidentally.

royal charm Jan 7, 2019, 6:52 PM

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well

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generally repacks/reuploads are for server-specific or community-specific use

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and groups are generally reuploading mods so that they can fit many different mods into one steam subscription or remove pbos

soft egret Jan 7, 2019, 6:53 PM

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configSourceMods or sourceaddons script command @carmine folio

royal charm Jan 7, 2019, 6:54 PM

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so generally you wont have people connecting to your server with reuploaded mods

soft egret Jan 7, 2019, 6:54 PM

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might give you the @mod foldername

royal charm Jan 7, 2019, 6:54 PM

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if you didnt tell them to get it in the first place

carmine folio Jan 7, 2019, 6:55 PM

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One day dedmen I am going to find something that you can't solve in SQF, it isn't today but one day 😃

soft egret Jan 7, 2019, 6:55 PM

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I have tons of things. But then I also have Intercept to solve these

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For example detecting repacks is nice. But that would also detect non workshop repacks. Like arma3sync repos from milsim groups

carmine folio Jan 7, 2019, 6:58 PM

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The ideal is we want to know if it is coming from !Workshop in the Steam folder structure and the mod folder name, then we can tie it to where it came from so we don't hurt other repacks not on steam.

soft egret Jan 7, 2019, 6:58 PM

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needs extension. Which is meh-ish.

carmine folio Jan 7, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Potentially what could be done here is a mod that the mods wanting "defence" depend on that has a list of mods within it. So rather than requiring integration within their mod itself it is a mod that is also in the list, they don't run without modification without it present and it makes these checks and warns the user.

soft egret Jan 7, 2019, 7:01 PM

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It can be removed so easily though. True, will protect against people who just didn't know. But not much more

carmine folio Jan 7, 2019, 7:02 PM

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What it will do is remove the whole mess to begin with of whether it is intentional on their part or not. Then all copies will definitely be intentional theft and importantly circumvention of DRM

soft egret Jan 7, 2019, 7:24 PM

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Oh man..
Dwarden marked the upload as Arma incompatible. This is the reaction:

It is quite obvious that the opponents of the proceedings have recognized that their legal opinions cannot be upheld before German courts.

There is no other explanation for the fact that a Bohemia employee technically blocked the Steam Workshop content discussed here. It is quite obvious that one is now trying to cement the breach of law by means of a backroom door policy, bypassing German law and thus disregarding contractual rights.

Of course, we are also prepared for such a scenario.

The corresponding plans have been launched.

We will continue to report in the interest of legal certainty in this area.

You REALLY can't make this stuff up

cinder ridge Jan 7, 2019, 7:31 PM

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this is just beyond funny at this point

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like the comments on the workshop page were something else already, then that forum thread and now this?

soft egret Jan 7, 2019, 7:31 PM

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this is still part of that forum thread. It's being actively expanded.

dull moon Jan 7, 2019, 7:33 PM

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🍿

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purrrfect

cinder ridge Jan 7, 2019, 7:34 PM

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ohh great I gotta go back and continue reading then

proud flicker Jan 7, 2019, 7:34 PM

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This is actively making me unproductive because its so entertaining now. 😄

dull moon Jan 7, 2019, 7:35 PM

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good, i'm not the only one then 😂

soft egret Jan 7, 2019, 7:36 PM

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The next post where I'm telling them that they are learn resistant idiots and that arguing with them further will make no sense will be my 400th post on that forum. And.. My 300th like on that forum

royal charm Jan 7, 2019, 7:37 PM

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what is it with you germans always trying to own everything?

dull moon Jan 7, 2019, 7:37 PM

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genetics

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

royal charm Jan 7, 2019, 7:37 PM

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first you try and conquer the world twice, now you guys try to steal a classic Arma mod!

dull moon Jan 7, 2019, 7:38 PM

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ww1: stated by austria
ww2: started by an austrian

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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coincidence?

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😄

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but back to topic

royal charm Jan 7, 2019, 7:40 PM

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🔫 🇺🇸 watch it there bud

chilly silo Jan 7, 2019, 7:54 PM

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People really need to add "No Steam re-uploads" clause into their licences at this point. It should be painfully obvious that you really do need to spell evey intention out in simple language to cater for the morons

dull moon Jan 7, 2019, 7:58 PM

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📎 nono.PNG

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it doesn't get easier (to tell ppl what they are not allowed to do)

chilly silo Jan 7, 2019, 8:02 PM

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http://eula.rkslstudios.info/

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'''DO NOT UPLOAD TO STEAM WORKSHOP: It is forbidden to distribute the content of this package by itself, or as part of another distribution, using the Steam Workshop by anyone other than RKSL Studios. You may not upload to Steam Workshop or any other service that reassigns rights over RKSL Studios Intellectual Property to 3rd Parties.'''

royal charm Jan 7, 2019, 8:04 PM

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the real burning question is, why does Steam thinks its okay to get full rights to something uploaded? All they need is rights to redistribute.

soft egret Jan 7, 2019, 8:05 PM

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They want to hold the door open for future. As steam says they want to maybe use it to promote their platform. Don't particularly like that, but it's a legit thing to do.

chilly silo Jan 7, 2019, 8:05 PM

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I asked that question years ago when i first read the license and posted about hwo exploitative it was. They subsequently changed the licence to explain it was for "marketing" purposes only

royal charm Jan 7, 2019, 8:06 PM

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"Marketing" is pretty broad

chilly silo Jan 7, 2019, 8:06 PM

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My understanding is that its to cover all possible legal interpretations

royal charm Jan 7, 2019, 8:06 PM

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Say the DayZ mod for A2 was on Workshop - maybe Valve could have made their own DayZ SA? 😆

proud flicker Jan 7, 2019, 8:07 PM

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No.

chilly silo Jan 7, 2019, 8:07 PM

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under the newer licence thats not possible

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under the old licence, its certainly seems that it may have been possible

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I asked my IP lawyer at the time and he said "Anyone that accepts that licence is a fool"

soft egret Jan 7, 2019, 8:08 PM

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Well it says "for promoting the steam platform" Wouldn't a steam exclusive standalone game also be "promoting"? Kinda? maybe free to play

chilly silo Jan 7, 2019, 8:09 PM

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Even with the modification of the licence im still not 100% comfortable but its a lot less ambiguous now

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@soft egret Nope , it would still be commercial exploitation as they use it to generate revenue/traffic that only benenfits themselves. If the "product" is of mutual benefit then it becomes very hard to prove "malicious intent" which is the key to winning those sorts of IP claims.

pliant oar Jan 7, 2019, 10:15 PM

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in era known as storeWars, the single distributionVerse was shattered yet it was nothing compared to upcoming conflict now known as modWars wasntme

wary tundra Jan 8, 2019, 12:26 AM

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@dull moon good tip... will raise it.

vale steeple Jan 8, 2019, 4:57 AM

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the real burning question is, why does Steam thinks its okay to get full rights to something uploaded? All they need is rights to redistribute. I've explained it many times before in here, their EULA is aggressive so that there is no liability on their end to redistribute your content.

soft egret Jan 8, 2019, 8:38 AM

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I just found why the KGG people are how they are.
A year back they created a Life server that aims to reenact as real as possible juristics.
So end result was a bunch of kids that play as if they are professional lawyers. That's where all the bullshit comes from.
They even "created" a fake lawyers office and state that the servers are owned by that fake identity. Pretending they are a doctor of law. Pretending to be a lawyer is a fellony in Germany :D. Jail sentence of up to one year for that.
They also explain in their server rules that the Bohemia EULA doesn't apply to them or anyone playing on their server.
Not to mention, their server died after 2 months.

And again.. The origin of completely braindead stupidity is once again a Life server...

grizzled parrot Jan 8, 2019, 8:55 AM

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i heard there is free mod stuff here that I can take and upload on to the workshop without permission 😄

fossil basalt Jan 8, 2019, 9:14 AM

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Its not even humorous to joke about.

grizzled parrot Jan 8, 2019, 9:15 AM

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it kinda is because they made hilariously insane excuses on a german forum

echo orchid Jan 8, 2019, 9:18 AM

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@soft egret can you explain why the fuck they keep bringing german law in the equation? i can’t grasp it

soft egret Jan 8, 2019, 9:18 AM

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Because they don't understand anything I guess.
I asked the same question and just got ignored. Same as all my arguments about why their workshop uploads are illegal just get ignored

grizzled parrot Jan 8, 2019, 9:22 AM

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They are insane

echo orchid Jan 8, 2019, 9:23 AM

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the only other people i have seem mention their own state laws when it comes to illegal uploads were some chinese blokes

grizzled parrot Jan 8, 2019, 9:23 AM

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The fun thing is that is its pretty illegal in germany (german here) and I am kinda tempted to contact a lawyer I know about it

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I am also a member of 3CB and they uploaded something from us 😃

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It could easily cost them 500-900€

echo orchid Jan 8, 2019, 9:24 AM

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but even them understood quickly that steam runs under us laws

grizzled parrot Jan 8, 2019, 9:25 AM

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They dont care

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The thread on the german forum is named: "Talk first before DMCA"

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So somebody told them: why dont you talk to the modders first before you reupload their content?

echo orchid Jan 8, 2019, 9:26 AM

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lol, waste of time

grizzled parrot Jan 8, 2019, 9:26 AM

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And they basically said: oh we talked to some modders but they did not have us permissions

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so we uploaded it anyway

echo orchid Jan 8, 2019, 9:26 AM

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shoot first, ask questions laters

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but as @chilly silo said it, i suggest you lads simply add an entry directly related to Steam re-uploads in your license files

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might be easier for the dummies out there

grizzled parrot Jan 8, 2019, 9:35 AM

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we have, but they dont care anyway^^

chilly silo Jan 8, 2019, 9:42 AM

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But it does make filing and processing DMCA's much easier 😉

wheat wave Jan 8, 2019, 9:58 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRzTK5-TRFM&feature=youtu.be seems like this guy is going on youtube telling people how to rip mods

soft egret Jan 8, 2019, 10:07 AM

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lol.. Let's see how many results come up when you search the crawler for "rus weapons" 😄

wheat wave Jan 8, 2019, 10:12 AM

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we asked nicely to stop redistributing a ripped model so we dont have to report him to youtube and whatnot, the guy thanks us by making a video explaining how to rip our mod

delicate ember Jan 8, 2019, 10:40 AM

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I don't get it now

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Video is almost the same i watched when i started with modding

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Model is not touched only textures some pbo and configs can be moved this way

wheat wave Jan 8, 2019, 10:41 AM

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which is not allowed

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call it however you want

delicate ember Jan 8, 2019, 10:41 AM

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But how do people learn then

wheat wave Jan 8, 2019, 10:41 AM

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ripping, extracting, whatever

soft egret Jan 8, 2019, 10:41 AM

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that has nothing to do with learning. That's a tutorial on how to rip mods

delicate ember Jan 8, 2019, 10:41 AM

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Redistribution of it is not fine i got you

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Yea but if you want to take closer look at cfg and how its done what to do then?

soft egret Jan 8, 2019, 10:43 AM

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You unpack the mod and look at the config? Or use the ingame config viewer? or generate a AIO config and look into that

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nothing wrong with that

wheat wave Jan 8, 2019, 10:43 AM

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thats not what hes doing

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he's telling people how to repackage mods

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and make ripped subsets

delicate ember Jan 8, 2019, 10:43 AM

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Oh i see sorry

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About arma 3 config viewer for me it was not so clear, no one ever told me that i can generate AIO config

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My friend told me just to open pbo with pbo manager and then just use unrap if something gives you error leave it auhtor don't want you there

wheat wave Jan 8, 2019, 10:50 AM

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config viewer is shit and opening other people's pbos to CHECK how they do things is fine

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always has been

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telling people how to extract data from mods and repackage them for your own convenience has never been ok

wheat wave Jan 8, 2019, 11:07 AM

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now he's making a live stream telling people to raid cup workshop items and the chat moderator is threatening a ddos attack

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keeps rambling about launching a "crusade" against cup

dull moon Jan 8, 2019, 11:08 AM

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RE those kids always bringing up german law:
They are germans at the age around 19 and seem to forget that germany is part of the eu, and the eu has an almost unified handling for ip and copyright.
They think the german law is above everything else, without realizing that if this matter was handled the german way they would face even harder punishment

soft egret Jan 8, 2019, 11:11 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1444867481
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=892265405 here are his campaigns that probably contain CUP stuff

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https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1rlLJjPHUL71MJ_HY87TeTuqo5Ame-QRG here are his missions on google drive.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1qn7f9tFAGW0B6xFNkwFDSYV41So4VbUX Oh boi. Enhanced movement, ryan zombies and DayZ.pbo in Arma 3...

dull moon Jan 8, 2019, 11:13 AM

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From that russian guy?

soft egret Jan 8, 2019, 11:13 AM

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yeah

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PIONEER is on Arma discord btw

wheat wave Jan 8, 2019, 11:18 AM

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yes he is

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i talked to him too

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he said he'd tell that youtuber guy about it

soft egret Jan 8, 2019, 11:19 AM

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Yeah. He showed your conversation in the stream

wheat wave Jan 8, 2019, 11:19 AM

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yep

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i dont speak russian so no clue what he was rambling about

soft egret Jan 8, 2019, 11:20 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1444867481
3den Enhanced, no CUP. The other item also doesn't hav cup inside

wheat wave Jan 8, 2019, 11:21 AM

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just managed to translate a few messages from the chat

soft egret Jan 8, 2019, 11:22 AM

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Just open in chrome and "right click -> translate" and it translates the whole page

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1131666732 this pack contains a big rar archive named "Mods for the Pain of Donbass"
Guess the ripped stuff is in there.

wheat wave Jan 8, 2019, 2:14 PM

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i think he has some encrypted pbos in there

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the rar file contains just an html link

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cant open his pbos

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if anyone was so kind to help out and take a looksie, it would be appreciated

soft egret Jan 8, 2019, 2:31 PM

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the workshop crawler seemed to be able to open them. Or atleast most of them

brisk ember Jan 8, 2019, 3:29 PM

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Maybe they removed some part of the pbo code like StokesMagee did to make the pbos usable and unopenable

soft egret Jan 8, 2019, 4:52 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=969966899 they updated it yesterday. But according to crawler and their credits list it still has 3CB, they didn't remove it

dull moon Jan 8, 2019, 5:03 PM

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was it also updated by the crawler?

soft egret Jan 8, 2019, 5:04 PM

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crawler should update at midnight

dull moon Jan 8, 2019, 5:04 PM

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roger

river spear Jan 8, 2019, 5:50 PM

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running the indexer now

soft egret Jan 9, 2019, 7:52 AM

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Wow. The german retards used GDPR to get all their forum posts deleted. 🤣

dull moon Jan 9, 2019, 8:10 AM

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Google archives cough

faint nacelle Jan 9, 2019, 8:13 AM

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Someone realised finally that they've been talking out of their asses ?

dull moon Jan 9, 2019, 8:44 AM

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Deleting possible evidence that could be used against them

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But something that was on the internet stays on the internet.
Rules of the internet....

soft egret Jan 9, 2019, 8:58 AM

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Wow a guy on BIF threatened to take down his mod everywhere if people keep illegally reuploading it. So I thought I'd ask what the workshop crawler says about that.
10 reuploads, 2 of them also have TFAR reuploads, tons of NiArms in there too. And one even renamed the pbo from ABC.pbo to CBA.pbo as if that's gonna hide anything.

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Here is that guy with the renaming
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1585262570
3CB weapons, rksl attachments

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1604909880
the renames are real with this one. clafghan, revn is RQ-11 Raven, cant guess the others

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Well. That's another good modder lost because people just stole his stuff...

wraith comet Jan 9, 2019, 10:06 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1614435310 reuploads

compact timber Jan 9, 2019, 10:08 AM

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which mod ?

wraith comet Jan 9, 2019, 10:10 AM

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Tfar animations, grad trenches, one of my mods,...

compact timber Jan 9, 2019, 10:28 AM

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nah i meant dedmen which mod will get shutdown when this doesnt stop

soft egret Jan 9, 2019, 10:28 AM

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RSO Buildings. Already happened

dull moon Jan 9, 2019, 10:29 AM

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Rso buildings

compact timber Jan 9, 2019, 10:33 AM

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😦

midnight vine Jan 9, 2019, 10:34 AM

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All 3 of the TRS here are reuploads:
https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/browse/?appid=107410&searchtext=Trs
JSRS, Enhanced Movement and others. Not sure if authors are on here.

compact timber Jan 9, 2019, 10:51 AM

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bi should just throw away the workshop

faint nacelle Jan 9, 2019, 11:01 AM

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Not really. Workshop is the one place mod makers can even keep track on

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It's the lack of proper rules

dull moon Jan 9, 2019, 11:02 AM

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The workshop itself is a good distribution platform, the management and controll sucks though

faint nacelle Jan 9, 2019, 11:02 AM

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And enforcement

dull moon Jan 9, 2019, 11:02 AM

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This

brisk ember Jan 9, 2019, 11:04 AM

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if anyone wants to have a read on RSO: https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/200831-rso-buildings-pack/?page=4

wheat wave Jan 9, 2019, 11:09 AM

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lacks policing

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its ridiculous that a platform as big as that needs the modders to be their own police and check for people stealing their stuff

brisk ember Jan 9, 2019, 11:12 AM

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Valve basically said "Here's a platform, and here's a TOS that says we're not responsible for anything that happens on it"

proud flicker Jan 9, 2019, 11:20 AM

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Its free hosting, though. At great speeds.

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The alternative was sites like OFP.Info and armaholic, which had to deal with massive costs of growing libraries.

brisk ember Jan 9, 2019, 11:21 AM

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and permission-less uploads (armaholic)

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Steam/BI should gather a group of researched/trusted volunteers willing to wander the workshop for illegal uploads and take them down without going through the whole DMCA process

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like stuff's being marked incompatible now

brisk ember Jan 9, 2019, 11:42 AM

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@soft egret the renaming guy just claimed nothing in his mods is stolen content 😛

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and now he's deleting every comment about it

soft egret Jan 9, 2019, 11:45 AM

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Don't even understand why his military clothing mod has a building mod inside it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

brisk ember Jan 9, 2019, 11:47 AM

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His other renamings: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1604909880

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can you see what else's in that pack?

soft egret Jan 9, 2019, 11:57 AM

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would have to get a deep scan list from crawler

south pelican Jan 9, 2019, 12:14 PM

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Wait, RSO released? I thought they were making buildings that weren’t actually released or in any map yet.

soft egret Jan 9, 2019, 12:15 PM

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Variable.A made a map with it. Mogadishu

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 12:41 PM

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@south pelican it was released in an alpha state, I updated but never released the update, 1. because of the very reason you guys are talking about, 2. the team split apart. Variable.A got permission from me to place the RSO buildings in his map. He however used the Alpha state of the mod. Thats why people were complaining about getting shot through walls. I fixed that and never released due to reasons above.

I have them but I can't trust anyone now. Final stance.

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Thanks for the support btw.

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Here are reuploads of the exact same RSO.pbo:

This is just a reupload of the Mogadishu Terrain https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1536012220 (exception he asked for permissions which I granted)

Doesn't seem to be the terrain, also has a custom bisign https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1454543181

Some units modpack https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1439531138

Tons of reuploads of tons of other peoples stuff, also custom bisign https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=812684627

Some modpack, custom bisign https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1406707872

Some crappy life server, they also reuploaded some of my stuff https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1416342600

Some life server https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=908829638

Some russian life server, also reuploads of my stuff, custom bisign for RSO https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=877731210

Wow. This is dense. They have "osr.pbo" with the same hash as your RSO.pbo. They renamed it to hide it https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1604909880

ALL REDISTRIBUTED without permissions. Oh look theres life servers on there too.

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I'm not wasting my time in chasing all these fucktards and getting them shut down, it's a stress and PITA that I don't wanna deal with, so I'm pretty much going to leave it there. Unless the community charges at them and makes a full on aggressive stance towards them.

I give up trying!

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Such a pity too, I've plenty of things people would have had fun playing around with in Arma, but if IP protection is going to go unnoticed by the BI Devs and steam, then I'm not gunna to scream at a brick wall.

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Hence my attitude for monetized mods. I don't care what people think pretty much like the thieves. They might aswell come in my front door and take all my belongings I worked hard to earn for.

brisk ember Jan 9, 2019, 1:47 PM

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Well, go out fighting I guess? DMCA the ones you currently know of

brisk ember Jan 9, 2019, 2:03 PM

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The "dense guy" says nobody cares about IP theft

autumn glacier Jan 9, 2019, 2:04 PM

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It's a shame that such people kill the Modding Community of Arma because they won't respect the rules and licenses of Modders and their released content.

wary tundra Jan 9, 2019, 2:16 PM

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Really depressing reading... I hope this is getting picked up at BI. This is a community killer if it's not sorted

soft egret Jan 9, 2019, 2:18 PM

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every thief is a community killer..

brisk ember Jan 9, 2019, 2:23 PM

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3CB planning action on the reversing name chap?

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Dedmen's found 3CB Weapons is his Realism Weapons mod

wary tundra Jan 9, 2019, 2:40 PM

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I presume so. Will ask Lifetap

brisk ember Jan 9, 2019, 2:43 PM

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cool if we put up a mention next time we find something related to 3CB mods?

wary tundra Jan 9, 2019, 3:50 PM

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Yeah. If you @ me or Lifetap. Or Evrik

hexed marsh Jan 9, 2019, 5:08 PM

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Or myself, I've been keeping an eye on things too.

brisk ember Jan 9, 2019, 5:17 PM

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alright willdo

snow bloom Jan 9, 2019, 6:13 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1571923379 - Looks like a reupload, can't confirm tho

faint nacelle Jan 9, 2019, 6:16 PM

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chances are high when the guy is a LifeRPman

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😛

brisk ember Jan 9, 2019, 6:53 PM

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very compact description

amber eagle Jan 9, 2019, 7:41 PM

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Anybody knows who did this? Steam Workshop item? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/a5ku3arm92zl545/0hhj7mdzla921.png

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Specifically the uniform retexture

snow bloom Jan 9, 2019, 8:27 PM

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I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that the helmet and vest probably belong to one of the numerous underground mods with ripped content etc, they probably retexed the uniform (which is your BDUs right?)

high falcon Jan 9, 2019, 8:51 PM

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Perhaps too general disussion for this channel, but does anyone have a sense of why there is an underground market for free mods? Are most people trying to just distribute to their groups? Or just take credit for some elses work?

soft egret Jan 9, 2019, 8:52 PM

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underground market for free stuff? seems weird 😄

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what do you mean? workshop reuploads? or something specific?

high falcon Jan 9, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Well alot of effort seems to be going into policing people reuploading mods.

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Seems like there is a kind of market going on

soft egret Jan 9, 2019, 8:54 PM

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nope.

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just idiots that don't know how collections work. Mostly.

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There are also very few guys that want to steal other peoples stuff and put their own name onto it.
But most reuploads are just idiots

high falcon Jan 9, 2019, 8:57 PM

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So why are they doing it? Back to my question.

soft egret Jan 9, 2019, 8:57 PM

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that don't know how collections work

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They want to make it easy for people to get their "modpack" but are too dumb to set up a collection or proper dependencies

faint nacelle Jan 9, 2019, 8:57 PM

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ignorance, stupidity, "i made tis gib me internets points" mentality

high falcon Jan 9, 2019, 9:03 PM

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How many violators put up a fight? Most? Not many?

soft egret Jan 9, 2019, 9:03 PM

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few

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But the few ones that do are VERY vocal about it

amber eagle Jan 9, 2019, 9:05 PM

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@snow bloom Yes the BDUs are mine

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 9:50 PM

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Lektar removed his attempt straight away when I warned him, but others I bet don't listen

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I don't fly by this channel much, but is this the state of play all the time??

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How much actually gets.resolved??

faint nacelle Jan 9, 2019, 9:53 PM

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on workshop?

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I think all dmcas get taken down

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 10:17 PM

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I mean from here, what action gets taken from here

faint nacelle Jan 9, 2019, 10:26 PM

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None I think? This is place to discuss what could be done, get peer support and such.

brisk ember Jan 9, 2019, 10:33 PM

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basically @tender cedar

> Reupload gets spotted, shared in this channel.
> Authors are notified through Discord ping or otherwise.
> Comments are left on the SW Item about the IP theft.
> If perpetrator removes it, end of story. If they put up a big mouth, they either get DMCA'd by the author or, in case the author cannot be reached/left the ArmA scene and it's been confirmed that it's illegal, we send it to Dwarden, who then assesses whether it'll be marked incompatible with ARMA III```

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~75% of the reports here are dealt with and are in varying lengths of time, removed

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 10:34 PM

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Ok. So I'll need to troll through stuff regarding rso

brisk ember Jan 9, 2019, 10:35 PM

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Basically just comment on the item "Delete my work within X (X>24 usually) hours or DMCA gets filed"

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 10:35 PM

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Ok

brisk ember Jan 9, 2019, 10:35 PM

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if they remove it, your work's done. If they delete your comment or don't act before deadline, file DMCA

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 10:36 PM

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Ok

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Cheers

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I had a thought today though, not sure how it works.

Why is it software programs are ip protected and hard to copy and duplicate unless you know what you are doing. Like Photoshop for example or even Arma 3. Why can't mods be protected like that so it's actually difficult to do.

faint nacelle Jan 9, 2019, 10:38 PM

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pufu does not even give warnings on RHS stuff anymore. straight dmca

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 10:38 PM

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That's kinda where I'm getting too.

brisk ember Jan 9, 2019, 10:39 PM

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because EBOs can only be used by BIS

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 10:40 PM

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Ok. But can't they get ip protected like game is?

brisk ember Jan 9, 2019, 10:41 PM

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hm you'd have to ask the chaps in the high tower (SYSADMIN and BOHEMIA.NET) that, sorry :/

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 10:41 PM

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Ya see where I am going though.

brisk ember Jan 9, 2019, 10:42 PM

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I do

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And imo the option should be available

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 10:42 PM

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It's a logical solution to this incesent thievery that is ruining people's enthusiasm to home support the game.

brisk ember Jan 9, 2019, 10:44 PM

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well that, or BI gets a team dedicated to monitoring the Steam Workshop

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 10:46 PM

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I doubt that would happen.

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It would be like finding needles in haystacks.

faint nacelle Jan 9, 2019, 10:47 PM

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well there is the workshop crawler

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 10:50 PM

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There should be a policy that states, getting permissions is like your insurance you are allowed to do whatever you asked for the mod. Like proof of purchase via pm. Prove you have the permission or it will be removed end of story.
The author retains the conversation, so does the user. If no proof of usage is presented then the mod is removed. I'm talking about uploading as part of their own mod. Whatever that may be.

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For example, I'm sure I have the conversation so.ewhere on my account where variable.a asked for usage in Mogadishu.

faint nacelle Jan 9, 2019, 10:52 PM

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yeah it should not be that hard but ppl are ignorant

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 10:52 PM

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We both present our copies and he is safe, where as other which is 99% of the list I gave should have them instantly removed, no questions.

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Well it's the ignorance that will shoot them in the foot. They and the author have 24-48 hours to present proof of permission otherwise instant removely will occur from the end user.

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I mean INSTANT, this will not stop unless it is taken seriously enough by hitting hard and taking a tough enough stance.

brisk ember Jan 9, 2019, 11:00 PM

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Not sure you can expect something like from BI. They don't earn money from mods, so why'd a company spend money on it 😛

wheat wave Jan 9, 2019, 11:01 PM

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debateable

brisk ember Jan 9, 2019, 11:02 PM

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well the choices of the past 5 years to indicate that a bit

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not really like it's something that started happening a year ago 😛

wheat wave Jan 9, 2019, 11:02 PM

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yea im not saying BI will change this

brisk ember Jan 9, 2019, 11:03 PM

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maybe they don't need to. Just set up the current system such that authors have way more power over what happens with their content

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 11:03 PM

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They are not spending money on it though. You say dwarden removes the mods?? He could or someone else could adjudicate it as genuine or not.

The report is filed as per the norm, a moderator requested to see the permissions, if it isn't or isn't convincing enough or the author hasn't authorised the usage in such a way in written form to the end user, then its removed.

brisk ember Jan 9, 2019, 11:04 PM

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not remove, mark them as incompatible

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then after some time it gets removed

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 11:04 PM

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I think that's like giving a warning.

brisk ember Jan 9, 2019, 11:05 PM

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kinda means "warning, this mod won't make it till the next week"

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 11:06 PM

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It should be removed end of story. Then the message eventually gets through that permissions need to be sort after or they are wasting their time because it will come down in a flash.

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No matter what they try if they don't have the specific written permission and proof they have then it will be taken down. Until they do and can prove they can do what they are doing.

wild stone Jan 9, 2019, 11:07 PM

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I can understand that it should be removed, but remember the steam workshop is not controlled by BI completely.

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 11:08 PM

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Yes, but do they have the ability to take the mod down?

wild stone Jan 9, 2019, 11:08 PM

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Yes.

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 11:09 PM

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There you go then. All that needs then is a moderator to be informed of the violation, they mediate and request the permission slip as it were.

wild stone Jan 9, 2019, 11:09 PM

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Normally the best way is to DMCA it and then Dwarden and the other Steam Moderators can then react.

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 11:09 PM

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Its not stopping them though. It needs a tougher stance.

wild stone Jan 9, 2019, 11:10 PM

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I can appreciate that, but in truth i can never see it ever stop. This is the internet, you will always get those that don't want to follow the rules.

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 11:11 PM

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The more violations are controlled by taking an aggressive stance on EULA violations the less it will happen eventually. It might be a pipe dream but in theory it's very logical.

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Atm EULAs literally don't mean anything.

wild stone Jan 9, 2019, 11:14 PM

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That maybe so, but from my perspective aggressive stances don't always work. I can say this as a member of the BI Forum Moderators.

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I do understand that EULAs may not be enforced enough, but for that to happen BI needs to have a dedicated team to enforce them.

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 11:17 PM

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Well that just proves BI needs to seriously pull there finger out. My ranting via the BI forum and possibly here over modders protection and BI support is justified.

wild stone Jan 9, 2019, 11:18 PM

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Your ranting on the BI forums was not justified and broke forum rules.

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 11:19 PM

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Yeah whatever and xyla didn't bullshit the forum moderators either

wild stone Jan 9, 2019, 11:20 PM

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Well if you want to take that stance, forum infractions apply here on Discord as well as the BI Forum. Also do try to remember the moderator are volunteers, we aren't BI employees.

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 11:22 PM

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I'm not biting at you but that whole situation was a farce. He told me one story, deleted his comment and then told the mods another and whose story did they believe. Definitely not mine.

The whole EULA is a farce because it doesn't and will never protect modders work. How many times is that screamed about by modders.

wild stone Jan 9, 2019, 11:23 PM

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Well i am unsure which situation you are referring to, its not something i recall and ive been a member of the moderator team for 5 years now.

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 11:24 PM

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Last year the machloop

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Ask ineptphid about it.

wild stone Jan 9, 2019, 11:24 PM

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ineptphid has disappeared, hes not been active since October.

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 11:25 PM

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Anyway, back on topic.

wild stone Jan 9, 2019, 11:25 PM

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Anyway regarding the EULA i understand your concerns, i am addon maker myself. Alot of my own addons i have pulled off steam and other places as i don't have the time to work on them and also i have had work stolen from me before.

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Less in Arma3 but i had work stolen in Arma2.

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 11:28 PM

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Why has BI let this go on for so long it's crazy to think that they don't realise how it effects the community. When I hear on videos and read from BI " the great community" I cringe literally. It's like my blood boils. Because it's like an epidemic of gold digging whores out there. Yes that was a Bill burr qoute.

wheat wave Jan 9, 2019, 11:33 PM

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well its a great community as long as you're on the benefitting end of modmaking

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 11:35 PM

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Yeah but the modders won't ever benefit will they

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Unless you mean something else.

faint nacelle Jan 9, 2019, 11:36 PM

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smells like sarcasm

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 11:37 PM

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Monetize mods that my view tbh

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Then modders will deffo benefit

wheat wave Jan 9, 2019, 11:41 PM

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more policing on steam WS would be nice, but if you expect 100% compliance that is never gonna happen

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even big music companies fail at policing the internet from people stealing their stuff

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as for mod monetization, i think that is going to happen sooner or later, dunno how i feel about it tbh

carmine folio Jan 9, 2019, 11:44 PM

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The answer in the industry as a whole is basically to give big publishers the ability to either API based DMCA strike something or to directly internalise fingerprinting to remove stolen content almost immediately.

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I am of the opinion that if you want to defend this IP that a technical and automatic solution is going to be required. We talked yesterday about a simple form of DRM to warn players and potentially stop mods working and I think the workshop scanner could get to the point of automatically DMCAing clearly infringing mods. Both are absolutely doable

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 11:47 PM

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Sounds ominous

wheat wave Jan 9, 2019, 11:47 PM

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yea i agree

carmine folio Jan 9, 2019, 11:48 PM

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Choose your poison really. Either you accept it is going to get stolen and derivative work is done and you spend hours and hours chasing this stuff and filing DMCA's or you take the steps to deal with the amount of theft. My mods have both been stolen more than they have been downloaded, that is the extent of the issue, it is the majority of the usage of the mods.

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I see no personal value in chasing 5k of violators on the steam workshop, that is to me a waste of time and probably would take longer than it took to write the mods to begin with

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 11:50 PM

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I'm just passionate about the modders rights. But if everyone wants to just accept it as the norm then go ahead and be exploited.

wheat wave Jan 9, 2019, 11:50 PM

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i agreed with @carmine folio just to clarify

carmine folio Jan 9, 2019, 11:51 PM

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BI has been crystal clear that they can not and will not help modders further to defend their rights so as a collective community I think those two tools - a scanner that can automatically strike and a mild DRM that wards off accidental infringers is the right combination of things to do

wheat wave Jan 9, 2019, 11:51 PM

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the workshop crawler was made by a user, im pretty sure the engineers that work at valve could easily cook up something in a better fashion

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and with better policing tools for everyone involved

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 11:52 PM

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It's not fair, right or legal interms of the EULA. I think the problem is the abuse and non effectiveness of the EULA. Something else needs to be in place.

carmine folio Jan 9, 2019, 11:52 PM

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Absolutely they could, but they wont. Steam profits from this system, as to an extent does BI. They will do only what they are legally forced to do.

wheat wave Jan 9, 2019, 11:53 PM

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I am of the opinion that if you want to defend this IP that a technical and automatic solution is going to be required. We talked yesterday about a simple form of DRM to warn players and potentially stop mods working and I think the workshop scanner could get to the point of automatically DMCAing clearly infringing mods. Both are absolutely doable
i was thinking this was meant as an intervention from steam

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i dont think they will do anything for now too anyway

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companies generally move only when money is involved, if they cant take a cut back they dont care

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or do the bare minimum to have their asses covered

carmine folio Jan 9, 2019, 11:55 PM

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It has been years, no one is going to help modders defend their IP further. It is absolutely on them to do so, there is a service here that modders might even be willing to buy.

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 11:56 PM

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Why should we spend the dollars.

carmine folio Jan 9, 2019, 11:56 PM

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The same argument is made by creators all over the world. It is just a normal part of business at this point.

tender cedar Jan 9, 2019, 11:57 PM

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What a world we live in, never justification for the masses the minority ruin the rest of us.

soft egret Jan 10, 2019, 8:00 AM

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@brisk ember because EBOs can only be used by BIS Doesn't prevent people from taking your stuff and reuploading it though.
You can't really protect something that is meant to be open and accessible to everyone.

@tender cedar Prove you have the permission or it will be removed end of story. that's kinda how it works for monetized servers.

Even if BI took down the infringing mods like you want, nothing prevents peple from reuploading. BI doesn't have the authority to ban people from uploading to the workshop.

fossil basalt Jan 10, 2019, 8:08 AM

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@tender cedar Prove you have the permission or it will be removed end of story. The author retains the conversation, so does the user. If no proof of usage is presented then the mod is removed.

That's almost the exact format that I use to have mods removed. Without verifiable consent (Written proof which can be verified) a mod may not be uploaded...

brisk ember Jan 10, 2019, 9:45 AM

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Could be wrong but I believe it said even in the license that the permission (or license) must be available to a reasonable extent to the end-user?

fossil basalt Jan 10, 2019, 10:01 AM

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I'm not quite understanding your meaning, could you rephrase that possibly?
@brisk ember

tender cedar Jan 10, 2019, 10:04 AM

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Think he means, exactly what you do do, and, what I was suggesting.

fossil basalt Jan 10, 2019, 10:17 AM

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Too often I am told "but I have permission". But,when it comes time to produce said proof, it is often not verifiable or it is not applicable.

This is how Mods with multiple creators should be handled.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/509862944121815060/532468145940725760/Screenshot_25.png

brisk ember Jan 10, 2019, 11:18 AM

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I thought it says in such license that whoever "redistributes" content must indicate the license (/permission) clearly in the redistribution, e.g. show license/proof of permission @fossil basalt

fossil basalt Jan 10, 2019, 11:35 AM

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Don't confuse the likes of "Share Alike" with re-uploading to the Steam Workshop. The Steam Workshop, as a service, has specific restrictions as to what can be uploaded. The reasoning behind this, is that you are granting them "rights" which only the original creator can grant. So you are in essence, you are saying "yeah, you can drive my neighbours car that he said I can drive".

soft egret Jan 10, 2019, 11:38 AM

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Actually I didn't hear that yet. But I'm sure that already happened. "But it says share alike! That means I can share however I like" 😄

fossil basalt Jan 10, 2019, 11:45 AM

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As I've said before "you can't fix stupid".

brisk ember Jan 10, 2019, 12:33 PM

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Not talking about reuploads from SA's but for example permission or license from a mod released on the BIF, being by someone on the workshop

fossil basalt Jan 10, 2019, 1:29 PM

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So, you mean, like a statement (from a mod author) allowing someone else to reupload? Even that is questionable, because once again, the reuploader would be giving away (the author's) rights, that he is not entitled to do.

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The elephant in the room is the Steam Workshop itself. As a private platform, it has its own requirements.

brisk ember Jan 10, 2019, 1:59 PM

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while true, it'd help identifying most of the 'illegal' uploads

fossil basalt Jan 10, 2019, 2:22 PM

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That just overcomplicates things. The easiest way to know if something is "illegal" now is if its not the original author uploading it.

wheat wave Jan 10, 2019, 2:33 PM

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how do you determine someone is the original author though? what if i have a different nickname on steam? or someone changes his nickname to mine to reupload my stuff?

fossil basalt Jan 10, 2019, 2:40 PM

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There are various ways of determining that.

compact timber Jan 10, 2019, 2:40 PM

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steam id

fossil basalt Jan 10, 2019, 2:42 PM

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No. Because the creation of a model is independent of Steam.

proud flicker Jan 10, 2019, 2:49 PM

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addon maker's tag not registered on OFPEC? No, then its already outlawed. 😄

brisk ember Jan 10, 2019, 2:52 PM

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OFPEC?

proud flicker Jan 10, 2019, 2:54 PM

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old timey thing

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From back when people had respect for addon makers.

burnt oak Jan 10, 2019, 3:08 PM

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can you even register your tag there anymore

dull moon Jan 10, 2019, 3:12 PM

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no

wheat wave Jan 10, 2019, 3:15 PM

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😦

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i did register mine when i got into modding lol

fossil basalt Jan 10, 2019, 4:02 PM

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GitHub is one way.

amber eagle Jan 10, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Oh, I didn't know using the crawler was free. I had a feeling first time using it would be like being punched in the gut by a wrecking ball. I wasn't wrong. There goes my weekend.

proud flicker Jan 10, 2019, 4:44 PM

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How bad is it?

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Did a check in july and had 801 reuploads. Then just gave up.

soft egret Jan 10, 2019, 4:48 PM

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using the crawler was free @river spear should add a donation button for himself

amber eagle Jan 10, 2019, 4:49 PM

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With the deep scan there's about 127 uploads

snow bloom Jan 10, 2019, 7:38 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1620363714 - The description is all you need to know there's reuploaded mods...

soft egret Jan 10, 2019, 7:42 PM

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Yeah. His name already rings a bell.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1553593415
Kola's ace extension, Firewills jets, diwakos ragdoll, ctab, RH pistols, jsrs, mbg buildings

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@humble delta ^ Would you clean that up maybe?

humble delta Jan 10, 2019, 8:02 PM

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@soft egret Will do now.

river spear Jan 10, 2019, 9:46 PM

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@carmine folio @wheat wave I'd love making a small DRM system reality if only there was a way to make it hard to remove

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I remember dedmen coming up with a solution but I think it heavily relied on Intercept and I don't know how easily it can be applied to this

stoic beacon Jan 10, 2019, 10:01 PM

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I will have to hire someone to file the dmca's. It's getting way too much lately

royal charm Jan 10, 2019, 10:02 PM

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I mean, if the addon were EBO'd, they couldn't easily remove it could they? @river spear

dusk dew Jan 11, 2019, 12:12 AM

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yes they could

amber eagle Jan 11, 2019, 3:10 AM

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Anybody have any good examples of what they put on the DCMA when filing with Steam?

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I want to make sure I got the right idea with what I put :/

dull moon Jan 11, 2019, 5:09 AM

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@amber eagle
PM inbound

snow bloom Jan 11, 2019, 10:35 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=937122919 I did not create this terrain.
Permission granted by creator to upload.

river spear Jan 11, 2019, 11:06 AM

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Do a text search on "I did not" on the workshop

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60 hits all saying they didn't create the mod they uploaded lol

brisk ember Jan 11, 2019, 11:11 AM

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Just asked proof of his "permission"

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BIF says nothing about any permission or license

soft egret Jan 11, 2019, 11:13 AM

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I think I remember that name. Not sure though.
There was that other xxx Battalion xx ranger group that had tons of reuploads and the exact same logo. But I think there are multiple groups with that same logo and same name

brisk ember Jan 11, 2019, 11:14 AM

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quite likely if they all RP as the same RL group

south pelican Jan 11, 2019, 12:28 PM

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^

spare osprey Jan 11, 2019, 12:49 PM

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Drifter1264 is the author. I believe chase has permission . And I have permission for an updated version https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1481258225&searchtext=Fort+Jackson+ . There are two other re-uploads that I do not recognize https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1394556303&searchtext=Fort+Jackson+ https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1578731471&searchtext=Fort+Jackson+

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Original post https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/204027-terrain-fort-jackson-training-grounds-full-release-v10/

fossil basalt Jan 11, 2019, 1:01 PM

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@spare osprey But where is the license?

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A lack of a license means the the most restrictive license applies.

spare osprey Jan 11, 2019, 1:09 PM

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I don’t know, it wasn’t a topic of conversation when we were tying to fix it . I’ll contact him to update the post.

fossil basalt Jan 11, 2019, 1:12 PM

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May also want to remind him that the SW (even with permission) still prohibits (non contributor) reuploads.

spare osprey Jan 11, 2019, 1:14 PM

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I’m a contributor. Should he add me to the original post as well ?

fossil basalt Jan 11, 2019, 1:15 PM

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Yes, and to the mod as well (see link)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/509862944121815060/532468145940725760/Screenshot_25.png

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We have every contributor listed, each with equal rights.

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But, as mentioned, listing it in the first post on the Forum will solve the majority of the issue (at least as far as we are concerned).

spare osprey Jan 11, 2019, 1:21 PM

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Wilco , I reached out to him .

stoic geyser Jan 11, 2019, 2:38 PM

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@burnt oak @dull moon You certainly can register your tag at OFPEC considering that there's one registered like bi-weekly, still. Unless I'm unaware of some major problem?

soft egret Jan 12, 2019, 10:06 AM

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Anyone have contact to the UG-C life guys?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1564922485
NiArms, UGC, Enhanced Movement, FEMAL, OPTRE, A3PL, S5xD (another life server), Taunus, UGC (another life server), TRYK
Man these guys. ......... Wait... I know that guy. He is from s5xd and asked me to give them monetization permission once, I denied them a few months back because they were monetizing stuff that they couldn't. I just wanted to report them for that after I tell the guys who'se content was stolen in here...
Turns out s5xd has shut down and this is their next try..

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@visual elm (Jack Gallo) you care to explain?

fossil basalt Jan 12, 2019, 10:10 AM

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@peak violet

soft egret Jan 12, 2019, 10:16 AM

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@opal kernel is project lead.

opal kernel Jan 12, 2019, 10:45 AM

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Told him to take it down weeks ago but I have no power to do it

wheat wave Jan 12, 2019, 11:06 AM

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its DMCA time then

fossil basalt Jan 12, 2019, 11:37 AM

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Should be down in 20 min.

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..and its down.

wheat wave Jan 12, 2019, 2:24 PM

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🔫

broken hornet Jan 13, 2019, 6:54 PM

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at it again https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1332480064

soft egret Jan 13, 2019, 7:14 PM

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BI doesn't care. Reported a dozen times for monetizing without permission while using mods that don't allow it. BI does nothing.
I always thought they'd block such servers via battleye..

dull moon Jan 13, 2019, 7:21 PM

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who DMCAed it?

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next time it shows up with australia in it, gimme a msg. latest australia terrain uses and includes CUP terrains core content without permission

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ffs, this reminds me of smth...
now i have to look not only for CUP reups, but also australia

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when and where does this end.......................................

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can't i just DMCA strike the whole workshop and write sorry letters to the false positive?

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

broken hornet Jan 13, 2019, 10:24 PM

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OPTRE they took our OPTRE_Buildings

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Talking with the dude now and is adamant that they have “permission”

dull moon Jan 13, 2019, 10:32 PM

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They don't, unless they have proof

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What i bet they can't show

broken hornet Jan 13, 2019, 10:50 PM

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They really need a way to stop repeat uploaders who receive DMCA's

dull moon Jan 13, 2019, 11:01 PM

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valve beeing valve... cheaters will get an insta ban while copyright violators are tolerated...

carmine folio Jan 13, 2019, 11:55 PM

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Read the description of this goldy: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1552679296

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holy shit its always those life RP communities who causes ip violations

echo orchid Jan 14, 2019, 12:59 AM

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this contains RHS ripped content, might as well contained other people ripped content as well. some of you might wanna check it
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1615958363

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This is a Private Collection for the group, I did not make any these mods!
private != steam workshop
private != ripped shit

fossil basalt Jan 14, 2019, 9:12 AM

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Down already.

brisk ember Jan 14, 2019, 9:43 AM

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Prime time for DMCAs

echo orchid Jan 14, 2019, 10:00 AM

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@fossil basalt yeah i also got a PM via BIF about it
I do apologize, I did not know that one of the mods was from RHS. Wish you Would of personally messaged me instead of just reporting it! The collection was made so it is easier for new group members so they don't have to subscribe to Fifty different mods. Again I do apologize!

brisk ember Jan 14, 2019, 10:58 AM

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Excuses don't justify the act nor the 'need to be informed first'

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You don't ask a baby to return your keys.

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Where are the days 'new members' were capable of following basic install instructions... when they didn't even complain about downloading from PWS or ArmaHolic and installed it themselves with a simple instructions sheet..

spare osprey Jan 14, 2019, 11:21 AM

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Need a how to create a dummy Mod with dependency guide .

brisk ember Jan 14, 2019, 11:25 AM

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Create a pbo with basically nothing inside or just a config with name etc. Then in steam workshop add mod dependencies

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Oh and sign the damn thing 😁

spare osprey Jan 14, 2019, 11:36 AM

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I don’t lol . My point was there is an easy solution to the “Modpack” needed for the servers not showing all the information issue. And the “it’s difficult for New guys to load mods” issue. Also on the plus side I can add or subtract mods from our list from my phone. And for tech support , unload all mods , load X mod and all dependency, join the server . For anyone thinking about creating a mod pack dont. Make a dummy mod with the mods from your list as dependency’s it makes life easier.

dull moon Jan 14, 2019, 11:49 AM

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That's one way, or as stalker said: make 'em RTFM

carmine folio Jan 14, 2019, 2:10 PM

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You guys got more knowledge then me, all I know is its been stated that all Start Wars thing wasn't allowed so anyone know about this one: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623264983

soft egret Jan 14, 2019, 2:28 PM

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@broken hornet you handle optre? should I message you when I see it in reuploads?

fossil basalt Jan 14, 2019, 2:29 PM

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@carmine folio It will be taken down soon enough.

soft egret Jan 14, 2019, 2:30 PM

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CC Euler is part of that.. I remember that name... He once had 3 modpacks that all got taken down..

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faint nacelle Jan 14, 2019, 2:30 PM

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Afaik they got self made assets only.

soft egret Jan 14, 2019, 2:31 PM

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They even say that star wars IP is copyrighted by Century Fox and that they reserved all rights especially trademarks.

carmine folio Jan 14, 2019, 2:39 PM

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I understand, thank you. While on subject, since Star Wars is a protected trademark how come other mods that resemble HALO (and so on) can be allowed to be created. Is the IP different there? Just so I get a grip of how it works

faint nacelle Jan 14, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Microsoft has stated that HALO fan made stuff is allowed to a quite far extent if I recall right

fossil basalt Jan 14, 2019, 2:46 PM

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Star Wars is one of the most protected IPs out there. They (Disney) explicitly forbid any use of their IP outside of those specifically licensed to do so. With regards to Halo, I am of the understanding that the Mod team received permission to use it (from Bungie, not MS) as a "fan made Tribute" sort of thing (whereas Disney forbid even that).

faint nacelle Jan 14, 2019, 2:47 PM

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https://www.xbox.com/en-us/developers/rules <- use of microsoft IP

Game Content Usage Rules

Find out how you can use things like gameplay footage, screenshots, music, and other elements of our games to make things like machinima, videos, and other

fossil basalt Jan 14, 2019, 2:50 PM

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You have to be careful with that one @faint nacelle I remember seeing something that superseded it.

carmine folio Jan 14, 2019, 2:50 PM

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I understand, that's good information. Hats of to you guys for explaining it to me!

cinder ridge Jan 14, 2019, 2:51 PM

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I just remember an instance of an optre sidemod being taken down as the GCUR thing from MS was not linked, though I'm not 100% if that was the true case.

nimble basalt Jan 14, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Dutch works on the mod tarsulsw

fossil basalt Jan 14, 2019, 2:56 PM

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Where are you getting that statement from ? *Afaik they got self made assets only. ?

faint nacelle Jan 14, 2019, 2:56 PM

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just said that above

fossil basalt Jan 14, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Ahh. Self made or not (wrt Star Wars) is prohibited.

soft egret Jan 14, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Well it's not only euler. It's tons of star wars people in there. I doubt they all contributed

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@iron flame what do you think about people ripping and renaming your headlamp in their Star wars mod? (Assuming you are the real Mr Sanchez)
https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/105792634995388416/534383953927340062

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I doubt that everyone in that star wars modding group is involved in the crap. Probably just some idiots in their whole group that think it's funny stealing other peoples stuff and pretending they made it

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Ah.. The SWOP guys will sure love their stuff being taken and renamed 😄

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Honestly. This is exactly the quality that I expected by both a "star wars" mod and known thieves..

iron flame Jan 14, 2019, 4:09 PM

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Dutchchez

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lmao

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at least he knows how to use the search & replace function

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jeez

broken hornet Jan 14, 2019, 4:44 PM

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dutch is also known for porting content from games @nimble basalt

soft egret Jan 14, 2019, 5:06 PM

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You don't really have to say that you are defending anything when you bring even more bad facts about them to the light ;)
Trying to hide the last traces of the attribution to the author after stealing his content.. Wow..

soft egret Jan 14, 2019, 5:56 PM

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I thought I'd take a small look around the "authors" of that star wars shit.

First guy:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1294477202
brg africa, isla duala, winthera, panthera, Vietnam, Mondkalbs buildings, Lingor, nziwasogo, Abramia, G.O.S Song Bin Tanh 2.0, SFP objects @sonic blade, Clafghan, Kinhu Island, Pandora and probably half a dozen more.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1116193046
Uk3CB vehicles @sweet minnow, Kiory's balaclava, Rapsu's ILBE assault pack, Sabre's C130

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1360626473
Ripped music from lucas arts.

Second guy:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1483135920
The stolen headlamps from Sanchez, again renamed to dutch

Third guy:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1471191071
PLP and Variable.A's Arctic map

soft egret Jan 14, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Got a PM about the map upload. "We got permission for everything" 🤔
looks at workshop page 501st Legion has no rights to the maps/mods that are in this mod pack, Cruisie has the rights to the Cruisie head mod, but has no rights to the other maps/mods in this mod pack.
🤔 🤔 🤔

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Oh and the 3CB item is already gone 🤣
Yeah I'm sure all that stuff is totally legit if it already starts disappearing after just mentioning it here

cinder ridge Jan 14, 2019, 6:18 PM

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To be fair I for one was asked by cruise for permission and I gave it to him. After some time he asked me again to make sure I was still okay so I cant complain over him. I know it still is against the workshop eula but I at least he seems to be asking and not just right out stating that they have permissions when they dont (as far as I am aware that is).

soft egret Jan 14, 2019, 6:18 PM

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Yeah I know he has been asking a couple modders.

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There is a list of some on the workshop page

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But from the quick glance I had 20 minutes ago I still remember 3 people that aren't on that list. Some of them explicitly forbidding workshop reuploads, I guess that's the reason they are not on that list

cinder ridge Jan 14, 2019, 6:21 PM

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Okay I see, just wanted to make sure that at least my part is legit. I dont want to get involved in this but had the feel to at least let you know that it may be legit, and to some degree is.

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That doesnt excuse any illegal ones however, so please dont get me wrong.

soft egret Jan 14, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Okey make that 4 people.. eh.. correction. 6 people. Oh crap, I scrolled down futher. 7 people. Oops nope. 8 people. Ah no. wrong again. 9 people. Ah crap it's really hard to get right.. 10 people..
I should stop scrolling down further now.. This will never end

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That's a thing many people don't understand.
If Person A makes something using Person B's stuff. Person A cannot give Person C permission to take Person B's stuff and do whatever with it.

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If you film your friend doing something goofy. And your friend allows you to share it with your friends. You cannot allow a youtuber friend of yours to use it in his "dumbest people of the planet" video.
Especially not if your friend told you "yeah you can show it to your friends, but you can never upload it to youtube!"

cinder ridge Jan 14, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Not arguing with that. But as I said, I'm fine with my part but dont know about the others. Just thought that it may be the truth as I was asked and thats something that usually does not happen. That does not mean that it also happened to the others as I dont know any of them and I didnt want it to look that way.
Since I dont want to get involved into this any further I'll stop it here. I can see you points though.

fossil basalt Jan 14, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Nothing about Star Wars mods are legit.

soft egret Jan 14, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Yeah I don't doubt that they got permission by some people.
But peoples mods being in there that explicitly forbid workshop uploads. And their names also not appearing in the "we got permission from:" list doesn't make that item look that good..

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And then some guy PM'ing me and saying "we have permission for everything" get's a immediate "yeah yeah, keep your bullshit to yourself" return from me

fossil basalt Jan 14, 2019, 6:39 PM

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I find it comical when users who infringe on IP rights (Disney / Star Wars in this case) then turn around and get upset that another thief has taken their work.

soft egret Jan 14, 2019, 6:40 PM

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Yeh

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One of the TWC guys contacted me and told me SWOP stole stuff from them..
Sure.. That explains why the headlamp that's clearly stolen from MrSanchez is in there.
And why there is code in there that says "SWOP" and right below that a copy of the same with all the "SWOP"'s replaced.

midnight vine Jan 14, 2019, 6:40 PM

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Playing devil's advocate could that not extend to anyone who models real life IP like the design of a vehicle?

soft egret Jan 14, 2019, 6:41 PM

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yeah

broken hornet Jan 14, 2019, 6:41 PM

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they ninja removed the headlamp

soft egret Jan 14, 2019, 6:42 PM

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For example people who model stuff where the IP owner is fine with it being used for non-commercial purposes. The modder who made the model doesn't use it for commercial purposes.
But then the modder gives other people permission to use his stuff commercially. Not even thinking about the IP owner

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People always just think in one level. That guy uploaded it, so sure he owns all rights to it right?

midnight vine Jan 14, 2019, 6:42 PM

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Yeah that's a really nice way of putting it.

chilly silo Jan 14, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Playing devil's advocate could that not extend to anyone who models real life IP like the design of a vehicle? Common assumption but wrong, alot depends on the market you "infringe" upon. Disney also make toys and games, including licensing computer games. Toyota and Land Rover (to name a few) dont

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You have no change of competing with Toyota by making a model.

midnight vine Jan 14, 2019, 6:44 PM

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I see, so in that case they have less interest because although it's their IP it doesn't take any possible income away from them.

chilly silo Jan 14, 2019, 6:45 PM

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But if you use their trademarks... thats different

fossil basalt Jan 14, 2019, 6:45 PM

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In the same vein, certain automakers take the same route as Disney. That is, they forbid any representation of their products outside of designated licensees.

midnight vine Jan 14, 2019, 6:45 PM

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Yeah hence the slight name and logo changes in a lot of games.

fossil basalt Jan 14, 2019, 6:46 PM

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One particular company has 3 characteristic traits in its vehicles, if those the traits are represented, legal action is taken.

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So, name and logo changes aren't enough

chilly silo Jan 14, 2019, 6:47 PM

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Well most companies will defend their "brand" not their design. A Design need to be patented. And while a shape or design can be registered under current case law its really hard to prove that its a direct copy etc. Which is why the typical route is to prove loss of earnings or impact on brand or reputation.

fossil basalt Jan 14, 2019, 6:48 PM

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These design elements are the "Hallmarks" of its product so are registered as such.

chilly silo Jan 14, 2019, 6:48 PM

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Exactly

fossil basalt Jan 14, 2019, 6:49 PM

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Much in the same way that Hummer's grilles were. (Hummver Vs Jeep legal case)

chilly silo Jan 14, 2019, 6:49 PM

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but you cant really patent the shape of a car unless its a new revolutionary/unique concept

soft egret Jan 14, 2019, 6:50 PM

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📎 Discord_2019-01-14_19-50-50.png

chilly silo Jan 14, 2019, 6:50 PM

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You can get around some of the issue by using the shape of the vehicle as a registered logo. Its then part of the branding and under case law, a legally defensibly item.

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(Unless you are Dedmen and then its part of his insanity defence)

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and as such of dubious legal benefit. 😉

fossil basalt Jan 14, 2019, 6:52 PM

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https://cdn2.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2018/02/rrmc_3-line-signature-black-with-wordmark.jpg?itok=5Tuqe3zA

chilly silo Jan 14, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Bingo

fossil basalt Jan 14, 2019, 6:52 PM

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In this case, it actually has the name, but even if it didn't.....

chilly silo Jan 14, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Still only a Touareg in a nice frock

fossil basalt Jan 14, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Thats the "other" company 😉

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And I prefer the Touareg 😉

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^thats (Cullinan) a BMW

chilly silo Jan 14, 2019, 6:54 PM

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Bottom line... if i make a model of a Cullinan. AND DONT use the logo, or in anyway detract from the company's brand . OR compete in a market place that they already have interests in then there is almost nothing they can do about it.

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I love my Touareg

fossil basalt Jan 14, 2019, 6:55 PM

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"almost nothing" Operative word is "almost".

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brb

chilly silo Jan 14, 2019, 6:56 PM

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In the case of Star Wars and Disney/Lucas Arts et al, they operate computer game franchises and have established products in the same field. Any unauthorised mod may put thier products and income at risk

hazy fossil Jan 14, 2019, 6:57 PM

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i think disney is ok on income

chilly silo Jan 14, 2019, 6:57 PM

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and before anyone says "well a mod will never be as popular as a proper game." Look at DayZ 😛

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they have the income and with that income they pay lawyers to hunt down people that infringe on their IP and rights.

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They have a set of rules as to what dictates Fandom and What is defined as "brand/product" impact

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I did an engineering contract for Disney in Paris, 3 day project briefing, 10 hours a day. Im not exagerating when i say at least 2 hours per day was concerned with Public perception, Brand awareness and Brand Impact. We were replacing safety sensors and CCTV across their parks and rides.

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Its a religion with them

crystal drift Jan 14, 2019, 7:47 PM

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I'd be willing to bet Disney would go after SWOP before TCW anyways since SWOP just blatantly rips content from Battlefront 2 and claims it as their own while TCW creates their own assets and gets permission for anything they don't create. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if EA saw the TCW mod and wanted to contract hire the guy that modeled the UTAT.

soft egret Jan 14, 2019, 7:49 PM

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If Disney saw Arma SW mods as a danger. They would take down everything. Atleast that's what I would do

wheat wave Jan 14, 2019, 7:49 PM

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yea im sure two of the most ruthless sharks on the market would be flattered to know a good modeler made something of theirs for another game and totally not sue them to hell

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(disney and EA)

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now more than ever

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since the last year's balance just came public and they're losing money on star wars

crystal drift Jan 14, 2019, 7:51 PM

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I'm not saying they wouldn't take down both. I'm saying if they saw good work done by someone, they might consider doing contract work with that person.

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Not a developer for anything, just giving my two cents as a player. Take my opinion lightly

mint edge Jan 14, 2019, 10:13 PM

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just no

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lol

faint nacelle Jan 14, 2019, 10:21 PM

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I think the topic may have already run its course. This starts to sound like flaming.

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do you have a reference what you expected to happen?

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I mean you seem to speak of something that has happened before yes?

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someone has to DMCA it Id guess

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if someone has such a claim

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thats how it usually goes

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only Dwarden has power to take down workshop mods besides Valve and the DMCA procedure

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if you are referering to SWOP then you have to ask him what happened there

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but that mod was blatanlty ripping assets from left and right

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so that may have played a part

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well you have to talk to him about it

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just make sure its still there and they did not patch it out

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you seem to have experience in the field?

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dunno you have a very bitter tone

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in what you write

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the reporting email is in the channel description. I think that would be the official channel for reporting whay you have found. Or contacting the parties whose stuff is stolen and let them deal with it

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like what happens on this channel very often when someone finds reuploads and such they tag the people involved so they can take the appropriate measures

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like DMCA

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you mean me?

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ive spread my knowledge of modding yes, I do not work for them though.

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veterancy also does not make anyone any better in any status

dull moon Jan 14, 2019, 10:54 PM

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this is starting to turn into an ugly circle pit, smashing each others face but without the kickass music...

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veterancy also does not make anyone any better in any status
that's where you're wrong. we can post pictures :P
@faint nacelle

faint nacelle Jan 14, 2019, 10:59 PM

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there is that ye

dull moon Jan 14, 2019, 11:00 PM

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😄

faint nacelle Jan 14, 2019, 11:08 PM

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you guys can take it to DM, starting to go way off topic now

brisk ember Jan 14, 2019, 11:34 PM

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@soft egret something for you? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1622714184&searchtext=

mint edge Jan 14, 2019, 11:54 PM

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before you put in any "hard work" you may want to look into if what your doing has inevitable consequences

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bud

tulip nexus Jan 15, 2019, 12:34 AM

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Kind of

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People can buy a licence to operate VBS as a commercial training enterprise etc.

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If people are using mods in a professional environment, it's customary to pay the people who provide the content for them to operate professionally

crystal drift Jan 15, 2019, 12:44 AM

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^

tulip nexus Jan 15, 2019, 1:00 AM

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Well it wont run in DayZ without modification and we don't allow derivatives

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so if it's in DayZ, someone had made a derivative

faint nacelle Jan 15, 2019, 1:04 AM

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wut you talk about

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VBS is not DayZ

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their work and they want to keep control of it

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and not deal with some backhanded ports

tulip nexus Jan 15, 2019, 1:17 AM

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because we know full well that some idiot will try to port it

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so it's there in writing telling people not to try, because we wont allow it

soft egret Jan 15, 2019, 8:43 AM

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@brisk ember some punk just posted his life server advertisement on TFAR discord. So I looked at the recently uploaded life packs. Found about a dozen gigabyte big packs including that one. Didn't look into them yet. Will post here in an hour or two.

soft egret Jan 15, 2019, 1:50 PM

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Okey here we go
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1622626310
Enhanced Movement, Citylife @armatec I cannot mention you cuz your unicode name, CUP Vehicles, HAFM, NiArms, Kiory's hats, kka3 ace animations, R3F, RH weapons, SFP objects/bas90, SabreD's aircraft stuff, TRYK, Femal3, CUP Terrains, MELB.pbo, weapons from Massi, TFAR (weird.. They have TFAR in here but also have a seperate TFAR item?), xCam, Ofc the oblicatory shounka,jonzie,ivory car packs, Sahrani, Taunus

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1622714184
Literal plain TFAR copy-paste of the latest release... Even though he already has that in his main pack.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1622501416
Burnes, Bnae, HAFM, SabreD, TRYK, SFP, FEMAL3, Kiory

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623780814
Kiory, Massi, TF74 Launchers, VSM, TRYK, SMA, Burnes, FHQ, HAFM, SFP objects/wheelchair, NiArms

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1622443949
HAFM, Massi, SabreD, TRYK, Burnes, FFAA (these are the Lythium guys right?), TFAR

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1621619286
Massi, FFAA, TFAR, SabreD, TRYK, HAFM, EWK Cigs, Kiory

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1621260103
Enhanced Movement, JSRS, TRYK, MrSanchez headlamp

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1620923964
TRYK, Kiory, VSM, NiArms

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1511440121 (same author)
Enhanced Movement, NiArms, VSM, TRYK, SMA, Kiory, Achilles, Ares
Mh.. 1st SFOD-D, This is atleast the third reupload that I see by a group with that name.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1619383019
CityLife @armatec I still cannot mention you, SabreD, R3F, HAFM, Burnes

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1618119289
Enhanced Movement, CityLife @armatec :reeee:, NiArms, FHQ, JBad, Kiory, MBG Buildings, RH Weapons, HAFM, R3F, SabreD, SMA, Sahrani, TRYK, TFAR, ALRP stuff

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1538922715 same uploader
VSM

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1617962232
HAFM, R3F, TFAR, Enhanced movement

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1617094646
HAFM, Kiory, Massi, TRYK, TFAR, SabreD, FFAA

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1616725071
Brg Africa, FEMAL3, Jbad, SFP bas90/, RH Pistols, HAFM, Massi, NiArms, TFAR, Enhanced Movement, MBG Buildings, (CUP Terrains bikeys, but no pbo's?)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1618139187
Enhanced Movement, TFAR, NiArms, Kiory, MBG, SabreD, xCam, Jbad, RH Pistols, SMA, SFP objects, TRYK, Brg Africa

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623068893
JSRS, SullenSkies, ArmaDiscordRPC.dll @keen trout? Is that yours?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1613596299
Some Terrains, I love how he quotes the "You are NOT allowed to exploit, redistribute and/or modify the content." part of Icebreakr's license in his reupload.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1613069370
CUP Weapons, HAFM, kka3 ACE Exension, NiArms, EWK Cigs, TRYK, R3F, MrSanchez Headlamp, RH Weapons

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1612040490
Kiory, EWK cigs, HAFM, Massi, TFAR, FFAA, SabreD, TRYK

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1607545564
CUP Weapons, R3F, RH Pistols, HAFM, TFAR, TRYK, Firewill

That's just the first page of the workshop...

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Should I mention all the guys in there? Kola, Chris, Armatec, Trubb.. Don't wanna be annoying you know

wraith comet Jan 15, 2019, 2:03 PM

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jezzz

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life life life ....

proud flicker Jan 15, 2019, 2:05 PM

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Pushing the ocean back with a broom...

brisk ember Jan 15, 2019, 2:24 PM

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Dedmen, just mention them and let the roast commence

carmine folio Jan 15, 2019, 2:37 PM

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Dedmen one of the links you posted is a picture of the Joker from Batman

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=162244394
HAFM, Massi, SabreD, TRYK, Burnes, FFAA (these are the Lythium guys right?), TFAR

soft egret Jan 15, 2019, 2:38 PM

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wat

carmine folio Jan 15, 2019, 2:38 PM

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The link takes me to a screenshot of the Joker from batman

soft egret Jan 15, 2019, 2:38 PM

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lul.. well.. oops 😄

carmine folio Jan 15, 2019, 2:39 PM

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Also

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This one you posted: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1616725071

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is this one: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1604810316

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but evading DMCA

soft egret Jan 15, 2019, 2:40 PM

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Fixed the joker link. Was missing a number

carmine folio Jan 15, 2019, 2:50 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1587388832

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"I would like to thank the following content creators for their addons."

brisk ember Jan 15, 2019, 2:52 PM

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IP theft has become the motto of modded Life...

soft egret Jan 15, 2019, 3:11 PM

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That last guy has two other huge reuploads btw

keen trout Jan 15, 2019, 3:19 PM

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I could be my discord rpc or the other dudes version

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lots of sfp, nice 😛

fossil basalt Jan 15, 2019, 3:52 PM

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I'm not saying they wouldn't take down both. I'm saying if they saw good work done by someone, they might consider doing contract work with that person.
Not a developer for anything, just giving my two cents as a player. Take my opinion lightly```

That is the equivalent of stealing a police car to show them how good you can drive, in the hopes that they will give you a job. Not going to happen.

stoic beacon Jan 15, 2019, 4:44 PM

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Thanks @soft egret
The annoying part is not the ping, it's the time I waste while filing a dmca

crystal drift Jan 15, 2019, 5:01 PM

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That's not at all similar to how I was trying to convey my opinion.

rotund cloud Jan 15, 2019, 5:24 PM

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ADV - ACE CPR
Fallujah
Achilles
KP Ranks
3CB BAF
and some more
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1547652319

merry kestrel Jan 15, 2019, 5:26 PM

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inb4 another person comes in here going "not all life communities are like that!"

soft egret Jan 15, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Yeah! not all of them are like that! Just 100% of the first page of the most recent uploaded steam workshop items that say "life" in their name

soft egret Jan 15, 2019, 6:38 PM

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Except that the PUBG guy did it by himself instead of getting hired. And that DayZ didn't steal stuff from Bohemia
so "exactly" is a bit of a stretch too.
Actually neither of them illegally used someone elses IP

soft egret Jan 15, 2019, 6:56 PM

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And that changes... what?

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It's their right to monetize their trademarks. Though it's not your right to represent their trademark.

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Same as someone painted mickey mouse onto a wall in a kindergarden.

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The mickey mouse was owned by Disney and they sued the kindergarden for it

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yea

chilly silo Jan 15, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Just to add a point of fact: Lucasarts, the original developer and creator of ALL the Star Wars games and OWNER of the DIGITAL IP, is now owned by Disney. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LucasArts

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Its not that gray. It really isnt a case by case thing. its purely down to the wishes of the IP holder/owner.

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DIsney and Paramount typically say no simply because of competition to their established products and licences

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Many IP holders especially media companies have non-commerical guidelines

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that allow for mods and fan based mods etc

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even the British Army has a guideline for non-commercial representation

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Im sorry but i dont understand what you are trying to say.

bronze oasis Jan 15, 2019, 8:07 PM

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That's not a gray area, that's just trying to hide from the law.

chilly silo Jan 15, 2019, 8:07 PM

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Well you cant do anything about an issue unitl you are aware of it

bronze oasis Jan 15, 2019, 8:08 PM

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Pickpocketing is also a gray area, until you get caught then.

soft egret Jan 15, 2019, 8:08 PM

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Sure. No one cares about the serial killer in the neighbourhood killing all your friends.. Until you know that he exists?

chilly silo Jan 15, 2019, 8:09 PM

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If you know something is WRONG and you still do it then its still wrong and you only have yourself to blame

soft egret Jan 15, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Man.. Just have a ultra deja vu.. Did we already have this conversation?

chilly silo Jan 15, 2019, 8:10 PM

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LMAO

soft egret Jan 15, 2019, 8:10 PM

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No literally... I'd swear this exact moment already happened

chilly silo Jan 15, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Its "happens" every other day on this channel

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Yes, hes still killing people

soft egret Jan 15, 2019, 8:14 PM

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Your friend suddenly not answering your messages anymore doesn't tell you that he's been killed

chilly silo Jan 15, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Schrodinger's serial killer LMFAO

soft egret Jan 15, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Do you know for sure that Disney/EA aren't missing any players cause of Arma mods?

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I mean.. If you have tens of thousands of friends.. One guy not answering anymore probably doesn't get noticed that quick

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Doesn't mean it's not a problem

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Doesn't really.. actually.

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Do you like any of the people the serial killer will kill next?

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Do you like any of your friends?

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The friends that pay for your job. For your food and warm home?

chilly silo Jan 15, 2019, 8:20 PM

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No we wont because its a BS line of discussion. You are attempting to justify something we all know is wrong. End of debate.

soft egret Jan 15, 2019, 8:20 PM

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I agree. Somehow the guys trying to defend Star Wars mod only have the arguments "no one cares" or "but disney is a bad guy"

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Nothing actually valid in the sense of law

chilly silo Jan 15, 2019, 8:32 PM

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You were defending the concept of "theft is ok if no one notices". You may not of stated the mod but it was easily implied from your position.

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Im not trying to argue but that really is how you were coming across. Especially with the serial killer comment 😉

upbeat whale Jan 15, 2019, 9:10 PM

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I feel like I'm watching an off-brand episode of Leonard French and the Lawful Masses.

royal charm Jan 15, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Reuploads of a ton of shit, says he is "awaiting permission", and will not remove the reuploads
http://prntscr.com/m7ohlp

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1559427785
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1559325980

Still won't remove his shit even after getting banned on here by @fossil basalt - he's taking inactive modders as an excuse to reupload shit

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you?

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no, it's in reference to the screenshot and links I posted

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yup

brisk ember Jan 15, 2019, 10:01 PM

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I second Hawkins request. The mods were reported here last year November-December, the uploader banned but no actions has been taken yet to remove these mods from the workshop.

royal charm Jan 15, 2019, 10:04 PM

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FM banned him from here when he got caught before. He literally warns people not to DMCA him in the description "Warning: Filing a false DMCA is illegal!" - and says they must give him 24hrs notice before they DMCA.

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lmfao

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I asked him if he would steal mods from a dead author - he said no.

So why should an inactive authors rights be any different?

brisk ember Jan 15, 2019, 10:25 PM

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Doesn't really matter what he says he would or wouldn't do. Fact remains that two accounts of illicit redistributions are still not dealt with.

royal charm Jan 15, 2019, 10:26 PM

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Yup

faint nacelle Jan 16, 2019, 12:09 AM

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Valve has no punishments for it.

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Does not mean its right and should not be punished. But thats how workshop and the rules for it are built

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IP holders can issue DMCA and take things to court if they want. Valve has no resposibility as the uploader has agreed to the workshop EULA even if he then breaks it

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so the uploader is responsible

echo orchid Jan 16, 2019, 5:54 AM

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oh my fucking god, the amount of drama here

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it is 100% up to the original IP owner to protect his rights/brand etc

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if person A uses your IP, or if person B stole your mod and uses it as his own or it is a re-upload

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then fill a damn DMCA

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if person C uses ripped stuff, contact BIS or Dwarden directly to get that content removed. If person D uses IP owned by Disney/Lucas, do your part and contact them about that

fossil basalt Jan 16, 2019, 7:34 AM

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Channel cleaned up. Feel free to remove posts that make it look like you're talking to yourselves ;)

Once again, Star Wars content and Discussion is prohibited.

nimble basalt Jan 16, 2019, 8:12 AM

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Well, you guys kind of brought it up.

fossil basalt Jan 16, 2019, 8:15 AM

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The policy is extremely clear.

nimble basalt Jan 16, 2019, 8:17 AM

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I just read your rules and the only rule that is close is 3. Which says BI or other developers products.

heady stump Jan 16, 2019, 8:56 AM

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Wouldn't matter, whatever mods say goes.

fossil basalt Jan 16, 2019, 9:11 AM

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@nimble basalt other developers products.

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Stolen Content and its discussion is prohibited. This is the last time I will say it.

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@soft egret Seki's unauthorised reuploads have now been marked incompatible.

nimble basalt Jan 16, 2019, 9:17 AM

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If thats the case why are mods with Humvees allowed on the workshop and able to be discussed about here? AM is openly protective of their IP and made games like squad remove their Humvees.

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That extends to a wide margin of mods on the arma workshop when you ask if any of these mods filed paper work to make them.

chilly silo Jan 16, 2019, 9:20 AM

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It was the unauthorised use of the Trademarked name that they objected to. HMMWV and HUMVEE are trademarked by AM

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https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/309321/Humvee_maker_sues_Activision_over_trademark_infringement_in_Call_of_Duty.php

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Artistic represenations of items prevelant in popular culture are covered under "fair use." However the unauthorised use of Branding and trademarks is not.

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This is worth a read: http://www.hanleybradylaw.com/2014/09/fair-use-in-video-games-part-1-fair-use-basics/

nimble basalt Jan 16, 2019, 9:34 AM

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If they had a problem with the names being used wouldn't that make every mod using it be a problem as well?

chilly silo Jan 16, 2019, 9:35 AM

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Its should yes. But most mods arent making millions of dollars. Being cynical, and looking at AM's financial data, I suspect their Lawyers saw an oppurtunity to get a cash injection for use of their trademarks

nimble basalt Jan 16, 2019, 9:36 AM

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Ok, I think I'm following now.

chilly silo Jan 16, 2019, 9:36 AM

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You have to understand that pursing an IP infrangement costs money, and pursuing 1000000 of them costs more. So you have weigh cost vs return.

nimble basalt Jan 16, 2019, 9:37 AM

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Makes sense

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is it worth the legal fees or not

chilly silo Jan 16, 2019, 9:37 AM

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Exactly

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A lot of Mods get Cease and Desist letters but never see any further actions

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But even IF you make NO Income from your mod, but represent their product or impact their brand in a negative way with your mod they may choose to sue. And if the court sees that "impact" you will lose. Hence AM's claim, "Activision took advantage of its goodwill and reputation by featuring the 'Humvee' and 'HMMWV' brands in Call of Duty and other related content like toys and books. "

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IP law can be "grey" on occasion but theri is something called "established case law" that provides guidence for lawyers and judges. This is a record of previous cases proved under law and thet helps direct the result of future cases. There is a lot of case law covering fair use of "artistic representations". And even more of Trademark infringement.

nimble basalt Jan 16, 2019, 9:45 AM

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I'm pretty sure i have it so essentially all recreations are technically in the grey area due to past arguments , but if taken to court are usually treated as wrong because the IP holders tend to have more weight due to having money.

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Is that right?

chilly silo Jan 16, 2019, 9:51 AM

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Pretty much yeah. But Proven case law in the UK/EU and US have concluded that you may represent an object or design, when 1) no trademarks are used 2) No negative impact to the IP holder's brand or business is implied. (ie how its represented in the public eye) 3) There is no intent, implied or overt to impact on ther IP holder's area of interest. ie No competition in the same market place. ie its ok to make a mod that represents the shape of the car. becuase im not going to be selling/providing that model of the car in the same "environment" as they do business. Computer games do not have the same market as Car sales.

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Another example for possible actions would be if you linked someone's product with a negative event. EG All Suicide Bombers use Toyotas. etc

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Make sense?

nimble basalt Jan 16, 2019, 9:53 AM

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Yep, thanks for the explanation on this.

chilly silo Jan 16, 2019, 9:54 AM

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No problem

proud flicker Jan 16, 2019, 10:13 AM

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https://arma-magazine.com/

this seems to be reporting on all the latest vehicle addons for the life scene. Quite convienient...

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pinging @soft egret 😄

bronze oasis Jan 16, 2019, 10:14 AM

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Arma magazine? wtf

fossil basalt Jan 16, 2019, 10:19 AM

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OSINT, I like it.

echo orchid Jan 16, 2019, 12:26 PM

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oi, wrong channel for your sarcastic rant, go bother someone else your own age

brisk ember Jan 16, 2019, 1:06 PM

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??? What did I miss?

snow bay Jan 16, 2019, 1:13 PM

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Not much. Just kids being kids

fossil basalt Jan 16, 2019, 4:20 PM

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What's the context?

echo orchid Jan 16, 2019, 4:47 PM

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what? no, it isn't

minor herald Jan 16, 2019, 4:49 PM

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He might have meant promoting it? This channel is for discussing Stolen Content, but combating it

echo orchid Jan 16, 2019, 4:50 PM

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no, you took it out of context but whatever

faint nacelle Jan 16, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Might be best to not speculate and let FM clarify the situation

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also @rotund thunder arent you a SWOP developer or something?

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and you were already told how to report the things

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contact Dwarden or send email to the BI address in the description or let the mod maker know so he can DMCA it

chilly silo Jan 16, 2019, 6:07 PM

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🍿

strong jasper Jan 16, 2019, 6:07 PM

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lol

minor herald Jan 16, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Lol

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they just banned me from the discord

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For just joining

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http://img.the9grounds.com/images/620ec428bf6fae7ab5e122e752ab3251.png

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He is a developer

strong jasper Jan 16, 2019, 6:17 PM

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😂

fossil basalt Jan 16, 2019, 6:17 PM

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Thanks for the evidence btw.

strong jasper Jan 16, 2019, 6:18 PM

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And that's exactly why I asked about licenses before even starting any kind of addon creation 😄

fossil basalt Jan 16, 2019, 6:21 PM

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Always ask first. From our rules The first and most fundamental rule is that you must seek permission to alter someone's work, to mirror it or use it in any way other than for personal use. No permission, no editing, no mirroring, no adding to your mod pack, no editing and sharing around your private squad, none of that is acceptable.

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So, yes, thanks for asking Kuplion.

strong jasper Jan 16, 2019, 6:22 PM

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NP. 😃

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That also clears up any ambiguity too, regarding asking permission with APL-SA. Always ask! 😄

languid kelp Jan 16, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Sorry to say it again, but that has to be proven.
Also that was what i reported and i was banned... and all the proof erased.

fossil basalt Jan 16, 2019, 6:26 PM

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Q: Did you report it to a moderator, or infringements at BI studio? Or instead, did you get involved in a multiway off topic rant with other "Star Wars folk"?
A: Offtopic rant about who stole a stolen Star Wars mod from whom.

This is why 4 people received a temp ban (to clean up the spam) and another received a permanent one.

languid kelp Jan 16, 2019, 6:30 PM

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Not offtopic at all, and not rant.
I posted proof of stolen and infringements and when the guys of that mod tried to defend themselves attacking for posting proof, i answered them as calm as i could.
As the channel clearly says, i first discussed it here and then i comply with the wrote steps that should be followed.
But now the proof is erased form here to people to see it.

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Also why would someone that is a dev of a mod would be banned, accusing without proof? maybe anyone then can do that, i cant imagine what could be done with the ones that are prooven

fossil basalt Jan 16, 2019, 6:39 PM

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The discussion is for "Hey, has this guy infringed on "x"?".
When the answer is "yes", an email should be sent to infringements@bistudio.com and a moderator notified.

The wrong way to go about is is to engage in a tit for tat exchange with each group pointing fingers at each other for doing the same thing.

I hate repeating myself. As Star Wars forbids the use of its IP outside of of its designated licensees, any "development (HAHAHA)" of such is prohibited.

Thieves are not welcome.

languid kelp Jan 16, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Well, i never discussed anything. From the begining i posted pictures of proof but now we cant see them as you deleted my messages
And you didnt answer the accusing part without proof to mod developers. Just ban them cause someone claimed that?
Also mail was sent, so steps are done.

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Maybe we can continue this in pm , i think

fossil basalt Jan 16, 2019, 6:44 PM

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I confirmed it.

languid kelp Jan 16, 2019, 6:45 PM

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👌

echo orchid Jan 16, 2019, 6:47 PM

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lol at that mosin nagant bloke

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that didn't happen, full bullshit mode

languid kelp Jan 16, 2019, 6:49 PM

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@fossil basalt would be cool to confirm all thiefs then. Thanks for your time.

fossil basalt Jan 16, 2019, 6:57 PM

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All are.

languid kelp Jan 16, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Doesnt seems to be correct seeing how you deleted proof. But ok man. Wont discuss it anymore as you have the "high ground" 😃

carmine folio Jan 16, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Pufu, pretty sure I saw that guy in this discord

dull moon Jan 16, 2019, 7:00 PM

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he's kenobi, ya know?

languid kelp Jan 16, 2019, 7:00 PM

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hahah

minor herald Jan 16, 2019, 7:01 PM

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@carmine folio he is in the discord lol

fossil basalt Jan 16, 2019, 7:07 PM

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@languid kelp Hidden from public view is NOT deleted. Please allow me to do my job. Thanks.

[2019-01-15_21:26:35 UTC](#ip_rights_violations)
< tarsulsw#9565 =534381043650789376>
<Message > That is no "mistake" , thats stealing others work and then try to hide it.```

languid kelp Jan 16, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Glad to know that. Thanks

snow bloom Jan 16, 2019, 7:18 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1218729005&searchtext=mh-60

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Another Yuri Petrov upload?

dull moon Jan 16, 2019, 7:19 PM

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could also be a RHS/CUP/whatever SA rip

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have you downloaded it yet?

snow bloom Jan 16, 2019, 7:21 PM

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I haven't no, got too much rubbish on my hard drive already

stoic beacon Jan 16, 2019, 8:10 PM

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uh60.pbo Seems like Yuri Petrov's stuff

charred mountain Jan 16, 2019, 10:09 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1332480064
ANZUS GAMING

RH M4, RH PDW, RH ACC @blazing wyvern
PLP Containers
Mirshun cigs
Femal3/Femal3 Uniforms
Xcam
Taunus
TRYK
Enhanced movement
Upload of the dubbing_f.pbo (wtf why?)
Structures_pmc.pbo ???

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Various Australia pbo’s @dull moon IIRC you said to @ you when this came up

narrow topaz Jan 16, 2019, 10:18 PM

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They're also monetizing without being on the monetization list. Donations page is locked behind creating an account

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https://www.anzus.life/ / https://www.anzus.life/topic/46-donation-information/ / https://pastebin.com/HYQ5Swnv

charred mountain Jan 16, 2019, 10:22 PM

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first time seeing that, wow

narrow topaz Jan 16, 2019, 10:23 PM

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Ahh, makes sense

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https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/105792634995388416/523484415544786954

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BI just hasn't done anything to them

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@soft egret Since you last posted about them, they've started monetizing TFAR 0.9.12, just FYI https://www.anzus.life/topic/4332-how-to-setup-server-mods-install-tfr/

flint niche Jan 17, 2019, 12:57 AM

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Cup terrains core is gone?

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Wrong channel sorry

royal charm Jan 17, 2019, 1:01 AM

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No?

flint niche Jan 17, 2019, 1:02 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/id=583496184

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For me it is,

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That's odd, I'm just an idiot it seems , apologizes

sour blade Jan 17, 2019, 3:58 AM

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Its gone for me as well @flint niche

flint niche Jan 17, 2019, 4:19 AM

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@sour blade it was a bad link on my end, https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=583496184

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That's the correct one

sour blade Jan 17, 2019, 4:25 AM

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We good then

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xD

blazing wyvern Jan 17, 2019, 7:04 AM

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https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/221341-bmw-m3-gtr-need-for-speed/

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hmm , is that from NFS? xD

stoic beacon Jan 17, 2019, 8:14 AM

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Not sure if the model was stolen, but he clearly says the sounds were.
Either report it to EA or maybe a Moderator can talk to Dwarden to make it incompatible.

soft egret Jan 17, 2019, 9:47 AM

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Once again, Star Wars content and Discussion is prohibited. Oh man.. Now I understand why all discussion of it is prohibited. Always ends the same.
@proud flicker arma-magazine is a shitshow noone cares about. Actually completely forgot that they exist.
Also no wonder that these life guys with "their own" models are only present on facebook.

Thanks for telling me about that star wars idiot. He's also on TFAR discord, or shall I say.. He was.

@narrow topaz no they didn't. I reported them about 5 times now in the last 3 months. They never changed anything. They have been monetizing TFAR and tons of other mods the whole time. BI apparently doesn't feel like doing anything about it. Feel free to report them too to monetization@bistudio.com

https://s.sqf.ovh/firefox_2019-01-17_10-46-22.png here is a screenshot from the thread RH linked. I reported the thread and I guess a moderator will remove it shortly.

river spear Jan 17, 2019, 11:09 AM

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taken from NFS Carbon 🤦

fossil basalt Jan 17, 2019, 8:40 PM

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NFS Carbon ripper/uploader has been banned. @river spear

charred mountain Jan 17, 2019, 8:51 PM

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@fossil basalt where do people report content that has BI property in it?

soft egret Jan 17, 2019, 8:51 PM

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See channel description for mail address

charred mountain Jan 17, 2019, 8:51 PM

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ah ty

fossil basalt Jan 17, 2019, 9:02 PM

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I was mistaken in my earlier ban of EvolPunk. He was not evading a ban. His comment about previous ban did not mention that it was temporary. For that, I apologise. @quaint lance

soft egret Jan 17, 2019, 9:21 PM

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Guy joins TFAR discord. I check his steam. Find illegal workshop upload and ask him to take it down. Nothing happens for 30 minutes. I tell him again to take it down or I'll remove it.
Suddenly 6 people of that Life server join TFAR discord and start to flame. Everyone get's banned, DMCA get's sent.
2 more people join TFAR discord and flame around. Get banned again..
🍿

Their life server is only a week old 😄

wise cairn Jan 17, 2019, 9:21 PM

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whats covered by steam when I upload to workshop, like do i have to put in the description, please dont reupload?

soft egret Jan 17, 2019, 9:22 PM

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no you don't have to

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steam rules forbid uploading anything that you didn't make

glass yacht Jan 17, 2019, 9:22 PM

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still illegeal

wise cairn Jan 17, 2019, 9:22 PM

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oh I also should have asked wheres the full reading of it? just so I know

soft egret Jan 17, 2019, 9:23 PM

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https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/english/#6
6D and 6A are the important parts

wise cairn Jan 17, 2019, 9:24 PM

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oh okay

soft egret Jan 17, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Does anyone know where V12_ pbo's are from? seem to be stolen from some life server

fossil basalt Jan 17, 2019, 9:26 PM

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@wise cairn CUP have a nice large notice :ANY REUPLOADS (STANDALONE OR PART OF MODPACKS) TO THE STEAM WORKSHOP (ARMA3 & DAYZ) ARE PROHIBITED AND VIOLATING THE STEAM WORKSHOP EULA SECTION 6D, AS WELL AS THE CUP LICENSE. REUPLOADS WILL BE TAKEN DOWN VIA DMCA NOTICE WITHOUT WARNING!

wise cairn Jan 17, 2019, 9:29 PM

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ah okay thanks, not really complicated at all

soft egret Jan 17, 2019, 10:06 PM

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Selling a script. That only works with a modified version of a non-commercial licensed mod.
He is redistributing the mod for free, just selling the script text file. So I guess that's fine?

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Okey the non-commercial mod is included in the purchased download.. I think that would be license violation.

vast notch Jan 18, 2019, 8:49 AM

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@soft egret V12 is a version of King of the hill

soft egret Jan 18, 2019, 9:00 AM

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Are the mod pbo's called V12_ too? ^^
Clientside mods

vast notch Jan 18, 2019, 9:49 AM

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No, there are no clientside mods for King of the hill, just coincidence then

carmine folio Jan 18, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Hey this studio is known for stealing maybe look into if they stole anything from the mass effects games.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1559810589

soft egret Jan 18, 2019, 8:54 PM

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requirelogin=1.. why?

wraith comet Jan 18, 2019, 8:56 PM

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Thought first scam link incoming 🤔

carmine folio Jan 18, 2019, 9:00 PM

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Oof one sec

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Fixed

full iris Jan 19, 2019, 3:48 AM

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I dont think this guy made these https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1139157423
I mean they say A3l, ADM, and DAR made them

royal charm Jan 19, 2019, 4:54 AM

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The author wrote in the most recent comment that he did not create them, he only put them together in a single pack

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So, yeah, they're takedown worthy... but, the IP rights of the A3L pack in general are so sketchy that they may not even have a claim to take it down.

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Still against Workshop TOS regardless.

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Also, @fossil basalt, certain mod which won't be named (you know the one) is still front page on Arma 3 steam hub, 5000 downloads and growing..

fossil basalt Jan 19, 2019, 8:27 AM

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Rather than send an email, an actual letter has been sent to Disney regarding the violations. Additionally, it has been reported to Steam and a letter has also been sent to Valve corporate.

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Letters are often taken more seriously, especially when they must be signed for.

royal charm Jan 19, 2019, 4:08 PM

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Just out of curiosity, is there any reason it hasn't been marked incompat? @fossil basalt

Idk what the criteria is for you guys to take that action, just wondering

soft egret Jan 19, 2019, 4:08 PM

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FREE TIME

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oops. tfar

royal charm Jan 19, 2019, 4:09 PM

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😆

runic gulch Jan 19, 2019, 5:28 PM

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The TCW mod is okay, they emphasize that they only use original content and want people to say if they feel that the content is somewhat sketchy

fossil basalt Jan 19, 2019, 7:25 PM

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@runic gulch No, it is NOT ok.

fossil basalt Jan 19, 2019, 7:41 PM

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they emphasize that they only use original content and want people to say if they feel that the content is somewhat sketchy Disney prohibit any use of their IP.

upbeat whale Jan 19, 2019, 8:06 PM

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Question:
I'm trying to understand all this IP stuff so I can be informed. Would this article be accurate in it's description of how to use IP without infringing on the copyright?

https://legalmatterblog.com/2015/04/27/may-the-4th-be-with-your-brand-a-legal-guide-to-making-star-wars-tributes/

dull moon Jan 19, 2019, 8:18 PM

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TL;DR
i'd say: don't take the risk... if ou want to play SW themed games, go for battlefront

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

fossil basalt Jan 19, 2019, 8:22 PM

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@upbeat whale It is not accurate. As has been mentioned multiple times now, Disney PROHIBIT the use of their IP outside of designated licensees.

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Additionally, it is prohibited within Arma as well.
Oh, and those comments informing the illicit uploaders of their wrongdoing, the ones that are quickly deleted, those will work against them in court.

upbeat whale Jan 19, 2019, 8:29 PM

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So, if my reading is correct; Basically a mod based on any franchise outside of the Arma's fictional lore and such is prohibited by Bohemia Interactive?

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(Not trying to be facetious in any way, just trying to understand)

broken hornet Jan 19, 2019, 8:32 PM

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if the IP holders prohibit the use of their IP

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you need permission to use others IP

upbeat whale Jan 19, 2019, 8:34 PM

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So prohibitions are based on permission from IP holder rather than the content of the mod?

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Forgive me for being a bit slow

dull moon Jan 19, 2019, 8:36 PM

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no... creating a mod based on someone's IP that doesn't allow it, is prohibited

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disney says no to SW fanmade content, you're not allowed to create fanmade content from SW

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

fossil basalt Jan 19, 2019, 8:36 PM

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Is an IP holder says its illegal to use their content without their permission, it is then illegal to bring it here to Arma, yes.

upbeat whale Jan 19, 2019, 8:37 PM

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Cool

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That makes sense

fossil basalt Jan 19, 2019, 8:37 PM

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In other words, don't bring stolen crap here or it will be banned. Also, we will pass on the details of the offender to the relevant individuals.

dull moon Jan 19, 2019, 8:38 PM

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mickey mouse is gonna kick your butt 😄

upbeat whale Jan 19, 2019, 8:39 PM

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Coolio. Was confused, now it makes sense. Thanks~

deft yacht Jan 19, 2019, 9:41 PM

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ablobhammer

deft yacht Jan 19, 2019, 10:26 PM

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Here's a real gem of one
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1604190921

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Ripped content from:
Massi, TRYK Multi-play, TAC Vests, Enforcer, Hiddenidentityv3, MGSR, TFAR, RDS Civilian, Payday 2, Press pack, plus a couple I didn't recognize (Skyline which seems to also be ported/stolen from other games, SFG, FRITH), plus a bunch of cars from some other RP mod or several thereof, and numerous cars form workshop authors repackaged

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Prime example of why the Arma 3 content creator community hates the life community

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I only noticed it b/c it was on page 2 of the workshop weekly popular items display

runic gulch Jan 20, 2019, 5:18 AM

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Woah

edgy coralBOT Jan 20, 2019, 8:59 AM

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I can see that you're trying to use more parameters, but I did not find any IDs or mentions.

worthy pond Jan 20, 2019, 11:54 AM

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@FM I noticed Sangin has been uploaded to steam you know me I am against my content on SWS at present https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=920367082&searchtext=sangin

dull moon Jan 20, 2019, 12:22 PM

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@worthy pond
File a DMCA

worthy pond Jan 20, 2019, 12:36 PM

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cheers on it, here is another one https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=698952803

fossil basalt Jan 20, 2019, 3:31 PM

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@worthy pond Yup, as @dull moon has mentioned, DMCA it as its yours. That is the fastest ( and most effective) way to have it removed.

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(nvm, It seems you've already done it 😉 )

prisma scaffold Jan 20, 2019, 10:45 PM

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So it's about 11 days tell the monetization expires. Do I just need to re-apply or have they even decided what they will do after that?

tropic steeple Jan 20, 2019, 10:51 PM

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iirc for the last few years they just extend approved monetization licenses for another year, so will probably just be that again.

echo orchid Jan 21, 2019, 12:28 AM

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i still hope not ^

dull moon Jan 21, 2019, 12:29 AM

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it's easier to just expand the current permission than actually coming up with something that benefits ALL

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

soft egret Jan 21, 2019, 10:18 AM

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I guess I'll go through the approved servers again next week and file a dozen or so complaints.. To help them with making their decision 😄

echo orchid Jan 21, 2019, 10:39 AM

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@soft egret please do, i lack the time to do that atm

echo orchid Jan 21, 2019, 1:01 PM

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lol - https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1444238073


I'll delete this file, when original mod authors demand.```
how about your read the EULA...

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the fucking mentality boggles the mind - i will delete if author asks for that? How about you read the EULA, Steam TOS and figure out that you are not allowed to upload it in the first place

brisk ember Jan 21, 2019, 1:08 PM

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haven't checked but I got the feeling this includes CUP terrains https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1466381603 @dull moon

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or at least CUP Core

soft egret Jan 21, 2019, 1:09 PM

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core maps and cwa yes

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1444233511 bnae, tryk, jsrs, enhanced movement, Enhanced Soundscape
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1448536815 HAFM submarines.

fossil basalt Jan 21, 2019, 3:58 PM

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@soft egret @echo orchid @dull moon @chilly silo (and other affected parties, NOT server operators) Could you (if you have time) PM me your reasoning for suspending, amending or allowing the Monetisation program. Things have come up.

stoic beacon Jan 21, 2019, 4:59 PM

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@soft egret https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1604190921

soft egret Jan 21, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Didn't I see that in here yesterday?

brisk ember Jan 21, 2019, 5:03 PM

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yes you did

stoic beacon Jan 21, 2019, 5:20 PM

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It's Frontpaged on ws

brisk ember Jan 21, 2019, 10:44 PM

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more LIFE packs...https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623674975

soft egret Jan 22, 2019, 10:42 AM

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Just looked a back into the past. We talked about this in june 2016.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=930955594
In march 2018 they proudly announced on their twitter that the DMCA takedowns have been lifted and they can now start having events again.

Let's go on a little Expedition on the 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit to see how they are doing one year later.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1345523913
JSRS reupload.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1345571186
Jbad, Fallujah, Kunduz Afghanistan ,Diyala Map, Khogyani, Ghazni Province, Afghanistan, PLP Containers, Arma Tides Manager, Fort Jackson, South Carolina
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1345586636
ACRE, ACE, ALiVE (I think)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1345595049
HAFM Arma 2 vehicles, EWK M1151, MELB.pbo @echo orchid
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1345555038
VSM @south pelican, HAFM ec635, cTab and some others that I don't know.

Well they sure improved alot in that last year... not.

spare osprey Jan 22, 2019, 11:02 AM

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I let drifter know thanks .

royal charm Jan 22, 2019, 3:13 PM

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@soft egret this on the description..
If this content in some way breaks the license assigned to it or the license is updated in any way, contact me privately or simply make a comment with valid proof and I will adjust the content accordingly to the license. There is no need to involve steam while me and the authors can resolve the issues ourselves.

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"Don't call the cops man!"

wheat wave Jan 22, 2019, 3:26 PM

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and then he'll tell you to fuck off and stop bothering him most likely

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so dmca his ass without mercy

brisk ember Jan 22, 2019, 3:43 PM

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why do we have 2 LordJarheads.... Which one to ping...

royal charm Jan 22, 2019, 3:44 PM

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Best to annoy both 😛

brisk ember Jan 22, 2019, 3:45 PM

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@fallow stag @carmine folio either one of you is the real one, but see above; JSRS reuploads

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who works on HAFM and is present on this discord?

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Aplion doesn't seem to be on here?

brisk ember Jan 22, 2019, 4:04 PM

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of course Berlioz is defending reuploads again... https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1512637474

wheat wave Jan 22, 2019, 4:07 PM

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is there any reason why these repeat offenders cant be banned from uploading on the workshop?

brisk ember Jan 22, 2019, 4:07 PM

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Valve

fallow stag Jan 22, 2019, 4:14 PM

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The fuck is going on?

brisk ember Jan 22, 2019, 4:14 PM

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people uploading your work

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(that is, if you're the LJD from JSRS 😛 )

fallow stag Jan 22, 2019, 4:15 PM

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Yes I am. Well it's not the first time, won't be the last I suppose

brisk ember Jan 22, 2019, 4:16 PM

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No, but personally I wouldn't make it easy for them either

fallow stag Jan 22, 2019, 4:16 PM

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Seems to be down already.

brisk ember Jan 22, 2019, 4:16 PM

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wut really?

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hahaha okay well that comment worked then I guess

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May we ping you if we can catch more of these reuploads?

fallow stag Jan 22, 2019, 4:20 PM

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Yes sure. I would really appreciate it! 👍 thanks for the heads up on this

soft egret Jan 22, 2019, 4:21 PM

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@south pelican is handling VSM.
https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/105792634995388416/537301437609148416
That reupload there might be a version that even includes the ripped stuff

brisk ember Jan 22, 2019, 4:21 PM

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I know he is, I've been in contact with him about that one already

soft egret Jan 22, 2019, 4:21 PM

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I always thought you didn't care about jsrs reuploads @fallow stag
I ignored a ton of them recently becaues I thought that ^^

brisk ember Jan 22, 2019, 4:21 PM

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The uploader said he'd delete it himself so jarrad took no further action

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well it got Seki banned...

soft egret Jan 22, 2019, 4:22 PM

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It's not the only thing that got seki banned

brisk ember Jan 22, 2019, 4:22 PM

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true xD

fallow stag Jan 22, 2019, 4:25 PM

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@soft egret nah I just don't saw them or did not get informed. I don't browse the workshop so often

brisk ember Jan 22, 2019, 4:27 PM

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hot damn 11th MEU took everything down

soft egret Jan 22, 2019, 4:28 PM

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Even their collection 😄

wraith comet Jan 22, 2019, 4:30 PM

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maybe they set it on private ?

brisk ember Jan 22, 2019, 4:31 PM

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hm could be

fossil basalt Jan 22, 2019, 4:32 PM

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Hi @fallow stag For future action against re-uploaders, can you confirm that you prohibit re-uploads to the Steam Workshop. (It makes things easier from a Moderation perspective)

carmine folio Jan 22, 2019, 4:34 PM

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Doesn't Steams user agreement mean all reuploads are unacceptable?

brisk ember Jan 22, 2019, 4:35 PM

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It does

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but authors can approve it and not file a DMCA regardless

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IIRC

fossil basalt Jan 22, 2019, 4:36 PM

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That is correct. However, having a specific response from a creator negates any counter arguements.

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The amount of people that try to say "oh, but I have special permission" ....

brisk ember Jan 22, 2019, 4:37 PM

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without showing it

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or the beautiful "Otherwise people can't see the 50 mods I have loaded on my server"

fallow stag Jan 22, 2019, 4:41 PM

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I'll add a text in my workshop items. @fossil basalt you maybe have a template text or something out of your head?

soft egret Jan 22, 2019, 4:42 PM

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Some guys had a text here.. CUP guys I think

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?l=german&id=583544987
Yeah at bottom of description

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Minus the , AS WELL AS THE CUP LICENSE part

brisk ember Jan 22, 2019, 4:45 PM

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nah dedmen, JSRS uses CUP license too now 😛

fallow stag Jan 22, 2019, 5:09 PM

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OK updated all of my items. Thanks guys! 👍

undone pier Jan 23, 2019, 4:59 PM

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https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/165628-group-link-5-core-ai-enhancement/?page=6&tab=comments#comment-3335521

manic narwhal Jan 23, 2019, 9:46 PM

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What am i missing? He ports an open source mod to a new release of the game, then changes the license and makes it closed and gets but hurt at someone else for doing the same thing he did....

soft egret Jan 23, 2019, 9:57 PM

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Guess the comment got deleted?

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The guy that created that thread hasn't been active for almost 3 years

manic narwhal Jan 23, 2019, 9:59 PM

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Check the last 3 messages

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And the OP which has some links regarding the matter from the author of that thread

inland scarab Jan 24, 2019, 2:50 AM

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@brisk ember who cares if he’s defending them. The guy does good work, and his points are better than yours are 😃

soft egret Jan 24, 2019, 2:30 PM

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A star wars unit advertises in #communities_arma3 what are the chances they have stolen stuff on their workshop?
Yes! You are right! The chances are 100% and you are correct! They do have stolen stuff on their workshop!

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1570032856
@stoic beacon TFAR animations, cTab, Advanced Rappelling.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1590304127
And the exact same stuff a second time for good measure.

@elfin cargo you might wanna remove that. Because if you leave it you also violate #rules which might get you removed from this Discord and the BI Forum...
Also I really don't understand why you didn't just put these mods in as dependencies.. You did that for all the other mods already, what's the problem with adding a couple more

stoic beacon Jan 24, 2019, 2:35 PM

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Why is he able to put my Ace extension as requirement, but not the Tfar anims?
@elfin cargo hope you fix that quick

wraith comet Jan 24, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Addons\RH_acc_cfg.pbo
Addons\RH_acc_cfg.pbo.A3L.bisign

BI Thread says: No Steam Workshop
https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/178072-rh-acc-pack/
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1633101052&searchtext=

elfin cargo Jan 24, 2019, 3:35 PM

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@soft egret, @stoic beacon, we were trying to make a mod to make it easier for people to just load one mod that would also load the dependencies. Whatever you want me to remove I'll pass it on the the workshop page owner. I apologize, I didn't know it was viewed as stealing. I did not personally create the mod, but it will be fixed. PM me if you'd like

soft egret Jan 24, 2019, 3:36 PM

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Everything that's uploaded in that item, that you didn't make yourself you cannot upload.
You have to add these as a dependency too, or if they are not on the workshop then you cannot use them

stoic beacon Jan 24, 2019, 3:36 PM

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Please remove all kka3_* files.
Also, the Steam subscriber agreement still applies.
You're not allowed to upload anything to steam that you have not created

elfin cargo Jan 24, 2019, 3:48 PM

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I did not upload it myself so I did not see that agreement, I apologize for the misunderstanding and miscommunication. I will update you further when the owner wakes up

fervent needle Jan 24, 2019, 6:14 PM

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my response to most of this channel and dayz: https://i.imgur.com/1mLM5jK.png

vale steeple Jan 24, 2019, 7:18 PM

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When you tell a group of people not to do something, they do it anyways. Pretty wishful thinking if the logic is a dialogue box will help prevent people from breaking a license and eula they don't care about to begin with.

soft egret Jan 24, 2019, 7:21 PM

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But then the "didn't know" thing wouldn't apply anymore

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because they confirmed they know. And it was right in their face. Not like some eula thing that you always go "yeah yeah whatever"

vale steeple Jan 24, 2019, 7:22 PM

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In theory, that may work. In reality, they are gonna skip over it like everyone else does when they read a EULA before signing up to something lol

carmine folio Jan 24, 2019, 7:22 PM

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If it is really mostly accidental the cheap DRM method we talked about the other day could be used to inform people and the mod owner could choose the impact. We can as a modding community solve the accidental ones without a massive amount of effort.

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It isn't quite catching them when they upload but rather when they run it. Wouldn't stop the actual thefts, would just make them do some work to hide that they have stolen it.

soft egret Jan 24, 2019, 7:40 PM

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I should add something like the FADE system to TFAR 😄

keen trout Jan 24, 2019, 7:52 PM

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become a radio after 10 minutes if you've reuploaded a mod

soft egret Jan 24, 2019, 8:08 PM

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like the old dayZ hacks that turned people into sheep

royal charm Jan 24, 2019, 8:37 PM

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I do think a hefty amount of reuploads are just pure ignorance. I've had plenty of people ask me to include ask me to include select pbos for particular uniforms, etc, to one of our groups workshop uploads - and each time, I have to explain to them why I won't/can't do that - and then they say, "Oh okay, I didn't know that".

Outside of the modding community, very few people are aware of the limitations on reuploads and proper usage of IP. Putting a notification on publisher would definitely help stop people who might care but don't know, though it's true that there are still plenty of people who don't give a fuck, and will reupload anyway.

Partially fixing a problem is better than not fixing a problem though, right?

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....and I also strongly support @soft egret 's proposal of turning reuploaders into sheep.

Baaaa 🐑

brisk ember Jan 24, 2019, 10:11 PM

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don't you need to agree to the Steam SA when you buy ARMA?

dull moon Jan 24, 2019, 10:16 PM

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steam SA?

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do you mean the EULA?

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@brisk ember

tropic steeple Jan 24, 2019, 10:18 PM

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subscriber agreement perhaps (if they arent the same thing 🤷 )

dull moon Jan 24, 2019, 10:20 PM

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Iirc you sign it with installing steam

royal charm Jan 24, 2019, 11:01 PM

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You agree to it, but who actually reads it?

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After hearing of "no uploading content you didn't make" clause for the first time (probably from Dedmen 😆 ) I went to look for the phrasing, but I couldn't even find it until someone told me it was 6D.

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the subscriber agreement is stuffed with legalese bullshit

merry kestrel Jan 24, 2019, 11:04 PM

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legalese or not, it does not matter, if you dont read the agreement, then it will be like spamming in general chat here, because you did not "read the rules"

royal charm Jan 24, 2019, 11:07 PM

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the point is, nobody reads it, and nobody ever will read it. I highly doubt there is anyone here who actually read all ~8000 words of the steam agreement before uploading

dull moon Jan 24, 2019, 11:15 PM

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Whoever does not read it and afterwards violate it has to deal with the consequences.
Same goes for every law book. It's freely avaliable for self information. You can read it, you have the opportunity to.

royal charm Jan 24, 2019, 11:20 PM

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Yeah

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That's true

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But in the real world, if you want people to stop violating your rights, you need to let them know your rights exist

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Sucks that that is the way it is, but it is lol

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wont stop the problem, but will definitely decrease the occurences

faint nacelle Jan 24, 2019, 11:37 PM

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making a few examples out of violators would go a long way

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but that would be bad for business

echo orchid Jan 25, 2019, 7:16 AM

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indeed, i think we had this discussion ages ago - a pop up on publisher would most likely decrease the occurrence of "but i didn't know, i didn't read" sort of bullshit

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won't stop it, but will definitely help

soft egret Jan 25, 2019, 7:40 AM

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BI should only ban the people that reuploaded tons of stuff AND own all the DLC.
There, no bad for business 😄

keen trout Jan 25, 2019, 2:41 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/id/ghostsgaming/myworkshopfiles/?appid=107410 thinkormiss

Steam Community :: MrSocomDude :: Workshop Items

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I wonder if those island ports are sanctioned