#ip_rights_violations | ARMA | Page 49

blissful arch Nov 26, 2018, 8:57 AM

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i have a repack that is friends only -.-

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i found one

echo orchid Nov 26, 2018, 11:00 AM

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if you have repack that is friends only on Steam

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is just a ilegal as one that is public @blissful arch

blissful arch Nov 26, 2018, 11:55 AM

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its not mine

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1561512526 is the link

soft egret Nov 26, 2018, 12:00 PM

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@royal charm I know. We had a big PsiSyn "adventure" here on discord on saturday. His viewers paying us a "friendly" visit to inform us that he's doing nothing wrong.

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So.. Yes. The animations they have are stolen from Kola. And yes they are breaking TFAR's APL license. And yes they tried to monetize all that too.

blissful arch Nov 26, 2018, 12:06 PM

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although they probably are under the table anyway

faint nacelle Nov 26, 2018, 12:17 PM

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(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

soft egret Nov 26, 2018, 12:20 PM

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( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

blissful arch Nov 26, 2018, 12:20 PM

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ree

merry kestrel Nov 27, 2018, 1:48 AM

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@drowsy hound someone uploaded your Colonial Marines mod https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1574763516&searchtext=

muted lantern Nov 27, 2018, 12:33 PM

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Same bloke also uploaded one of Bushlurker's mods too.

hallow lark Nov 27, 2018, 12:49 PM

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Report Bushlurker uploads to BI and they will mark as incompatible. Don't think anyone has the ability to remove them.

brisk ember Nov 27, 2018, 2:40 PM

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reported both uploads 😄

snow bloom Nov 27, 2018, 4:32 PM

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Is there any issues with VSM/Zenith uploads to SW?

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I know they're disgraced on the forums and here, but what about Steam?

soft egret Nov 27, 2018, 4:35 PM

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Some people go the "once a liar always a liar" road. Which is fair IMO

fossil basalt Nov 27, 2018, 5:18 PM

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No VSM/Zenith is considered to be anything other than stolen content

dull moon Nov 27, 2018, 5:38 PM

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once they got called out on it, they removed their stuff from steam ws

brisk ember Nov 27, 2018, 5:54 PM

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The parts uploaded by Jarrad96 are legit ones

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The rest not so much

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Even though it still bears the name "VSM"

snow bloom Nov 27, 2018, 5:57 PM

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Okay so can I get a definitive answer if it’s okay to upload on steam? I found an upload of it

dull moon Nov 27, 2018, 6:03 PM

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by the original author (without the ripped content) yes. if not the original author, no

snow bloom Nov 27, 2018, 6:04 PM

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Anyone want to waste their time pursuing it then?

brisk ember Nov 27, 2018, 6:16 PM

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If it wasn't uploaded by Jarrad96, report them and give Jarrad96 the link

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DMCA gets filed, upload gets removed

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In other words, the only allowed version of VSM on the Steam Workshop is from Jarrad. Nobody else may re-upload it or edited versions.

merry kestrel Nov 27, 2018, 7:02 PM

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^

kind sand Nov 27, 2018, 7:05 PM

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Question here- The offroad pickups in A3 haven't had their models released for any sort modification, or have they?

grand oyster Nov 27, 2018, 7:06 PM

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Not that I know of

kind sand Nov 27, 2018, 7:06 PM

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Okay.

brisk ember Nov 27, 2018, 7:23 PM

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Retextures maybe?

grand oyster Nov 27, 2018, 7:24 PM

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Textures are available in the A3 Samples pack iirc

heady stump Nov 27, 2018, 7:31 PM

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^ Templates yes

south pelican Nov 27, 2018, 10:20 PM

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Yeah, plenty of retex’s of the base technicals are around, but as far as I know no modified ones with extra parts or whatever

soft egret Nov 28, 2018, 8:09 AM

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Latest Arma-life news? 23 minutes ago

I believe I have found all the addons causing the crashing on the server, basically PKE had an antisteal script in some of his addons.
Here is the fix:
<download link and screenshot explaining how to download new files with the antisteal script ripped out>

The files with the antisteal script belong to the terrain that they have "permission" for.
Also they removed all kickass mods, because they were crashing their server 😄

faint nacelle Nov 28, 2018, 12:48 PM

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🙈

brisk ember Nov 28, 2018, 12:59 PM

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lol... That guy that uploaded Pookie's and Bushlurker's mod: https://i.imgur.com/hrIdcaj.png

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someone care to tell the guy what's up? Can't do it since well, blocked...

vast notch Nov 28, 2018, 1:02 PM

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@soft egret relatively easy to do, in mod pre_init add something like this

{if ((serverName find _x) == 0) exitWith
{
    _ok = true;
};} forEach ['Your server name', 'Your other server name'];
if (!_ok && isMultiplayer) exitWith
{
    endMission "LOSER";
};```
Could also ! it and just add life 😂

brisk ember Nov 28, 2018, 1:10 PM

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wouldn't it be easier to do that for your server's IP? I mean, someone can copy your server name

keen trout Nov 28, 2018, 1:11 PM

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Add some delay to end mission as well, an Hour or two

brisk ember Nov 28, 2018, 1:11 PM

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and disable user input

vast notch Nov 28, 2018, 1:17 PM

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Run it through an sqf obfuscator and there would be Bob Hope and no hope of finding it

soft egret Nov 28, 2018, 1:21 PM

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Do we have to feed bob?

blissful arch Nov 28, 2018, 1:58 PM

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if (isMultiplayer && {!serverName in ["servername1",  "servername2"]}) exitWith {
    failMission "LOSER";
};

keen trout Nov 28, 2018, 2:55 PM

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could have some fun with missionNamespace too

brisk ember Nov 28, 2018, 2:55 PM

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@fossil basalt could you mark that guy's upload of Bushlurker's Terrain incompatible for ArmA III? He gave basically the same response as to my report for the Alien Mod

soft egret Nov 28, 2018, 2:57 PM

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FM can't. Dwarden can. And he will when you report it

brisk ember Nov 28, 2018, 2:57 PM

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Already done that a few hours ago

faint nacelle Nov 28, 2018, 2:59 PM

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then its on the list

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👍

fossil basalt Nov 28, 2018, 3:02 PM

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Yup, on the list. I added my report to it as well.

blissful arch Nov 28, 2018, 3:07 PM

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just destroy every building on the map xD

brisk ember Nov 28, 2018, 4:47 PM

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I would like to see that guy's face now that there is a DMCA on his illegal upload...

safe arrow Nov 28, 2018, 4:58 PM

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@mint edge Isnt that an older version of you map-creation? (From the look of those islands to the south) https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1557186324

mint edge Nov 28, 2018, 4:59 PM

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yea i gave out the source to a few ppl

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i have no plans to keep working on it

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and frankly dont even care if other ppl get their hands on it xd

safe arrow Nov 28, 2018, 4:59 PM

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Ah okay then, didnt know that. Just wanted to be sure

mint edge Nov 28, 2018, 4:59 PM

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o7

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vortorsk was released aswell as a heads up

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if u see that poopy map around

faint nacelle Nov 28, 2018, 5:06 PM

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yeeeah ive heard ppl banging their head on terraining tools with it

brisk ember Nov 28, 2018, 5:08 PM

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Wasn't that Chernarus 2035? 🤔 I remember having some nasty mid-mission crashes with that one 😦 Map was so great though

mint edge Nov 28, 2018, 5:26 PM

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there was an issue with my worldname

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awhile back

brisk ember Nov 28, 2018, 6:11 PM

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Where was that permission mentioned anywhere though?

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or displayed

faint nacelle Nov 28, 2018, 6:12 PM

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@calm tapir ?

soft egret Nov 28, 2018, 6:12 PM

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PsiSyn said he and repentz got permission for their server in his video

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you know.. Before PsiSyn said he doesn't have anything to do with it

brisk ember Nov 28, 2018, 6:12 PM

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Yea, but so did that retarded kid on Reddit. He edited an autoresponse message from BI

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I mean, if you don't want a constant stream of reports, you better show people that you have the permission

fossil basalt Nov 28, 2018, 6:13 PM

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Sounds about right

brisk ember Nov 28, 2018, 6:13 PM

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And that's where you are wrong 😃 We can't DMCA but we sure as fucking hell can report you 24/7

fossil basalt Nov 28, 2018, 6:14 PM

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Copyright... you need to read up on things

brisk ember Nov 28, 2018, 6:14 PM

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And I thought permissions from people to use their content needs to be publicly displayed

kind sand Nov 28, 2018, 6:16 PM

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Just remember, if the only excuse you have to fall back on is 'the real owner hasn't said anything yet', you're probably not on very good footing of ownership at that point.

brisk ember Nov 28, 2018, 6:17 PM

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Agreed... If that's the case, boy are they in for a surprise xD

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Which I hope they didn't...

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Care to share the written permission with us?

kind sand Nov 28, 2018, 6:18 PM

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As the phrase if the internet goes- 'Pics or it didn't happen.'

brisk ember Nov 28, 2018, 6:18 PM

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Not even pics...

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That shit can be edited

faint nacelle Nov 28, 2018, 6:18 PM

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@calm tapir so youre not this Papa Hedge person so whats your position in the organization?

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ah you just answered that

brisk ember Nov 28, 2018, 6:18 PM

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Verification from both copyright holder and user

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That's how you are 100% sure

faint nacelle Nov 28, 2018, 6:19 PM

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do you get paid?

fossil basalt Nov 28, 2018, 6:19 PM

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@calm tapir Is this for Psisyn / Repentz?

soft egret Nov 28, 2018, 6:19 PM

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Of course you guys always have permission. Same as the past servers had permission for all the mods they were monetizing. Or how the current server had permission to use kola's animations, or to EBO TFAR.
But this time is obviously a exception, this time you DO actually really have permission...
Just like the last 5 times that were also exceptions until it turned out that it was all a lie

kind sand Nov 28, 2018, 6:19 PM

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@calm tapir
If it's not for anyone, them how do you specifically have permission?

dull moon Nov 28, 2018, 6:19 PM

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🍿

faint nacelle Nov 28, 2018, 6:20 PM

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you are very good at not answering straight

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very political of you

fossil basalt Nov 28, 2018, 6:20 PM

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We've heard that too many times and seen communication that shows otherwise. If you are both from the "NOT" Psisyn/Repentz endeavour, you can leave now.

kind sand Nov 28, 2018, 6:21 PM

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@faint nacelle
Not gonna lie, this whole thing feels like a press conference.

narrow topaz Nov 28, 2018, 6:21 PM

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We mention Psisyn and now people I've never heard of are speaking. Go figure

fossil basalt Nov 28, 2018, 6:21 PM

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Every time

brisk ember Nov 28, 2018, 6:21 PM

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Did we ever tell you the definition of insanity?

soft egret Nov 28, 2018, 6:22 PM

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They told you where all the scripts are?
Why did repentz write that he has successfully found all the scripts? Sounds like he had to search it by himself.
But I guess that's a repentz specific problem, his wording ALWAYS sounds like he made something by himself, even when he just took things from other people. And afterwards he's always like "I never specifically said that". Yeah right.

faint nacelle Nov 28, 2018, 6:23 PM

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was it something like "protection was ripped out succesfully"

kind sand Nov 28, 2018, 6:23 PM

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@calm tapir
You need written permission from the creator, but you don't seem to have it. Given that other people have tried to do similar previous, what can you give us to prove you're different?

soft egret Nov 28, 2018, 6:23 PM

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no he didn't say that. He said he found all the scripts and fixed it.

fossil basalt Nov 28, 2018, 6:24 PM

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I do believe I asked the Psisyn/Repentz folks to leave. We do not condone thievery.

dull moon Nov 28, 2018, 6:24 PM

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oh for fuck's sake, can we cut the crap finally??

kind sand Nov 28, 2018, 6:24 PM

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@calm tapir
Better idea. Have THEM contest the claim here.

brisk ember Nov 28, 2018, 6:24 PM

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Wait, you say we have permission! but you haven't actually seen the permission?

kind sand Nov 28, 2018, 6:24 PM

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Nor can they produce it.

fossil basalt Nov 28, 2018, 6:24 PM

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The bot says to expect a few more who have just joined.

brisk ember Nov 28, 2018, 6:25 PM

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Not like they'd have any impact

dull moon Nov 28, 2018, 6:25 PM

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you guys do realize you are running in circles like retarded horses in a cage?

brisk ember Nov 28, 2018, 6:25 PM

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How big's the cage?

fossil basalt Nov 28, 2018, 6:25 PM

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🔨 x2

brisk ember Nov 28, 2018, 6:26 PM

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awh 😦 /s

fossil basalt Nov 28, 2018, 6:26 PM

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Don't feed the trolls

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Once again, Psisyn are banned here.

kind sand Nov 28, 2018, 6:26 PM

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But I like watching them choke on logic.

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:(

brisk ember Nov 28, 2018, 6:26 PM

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Or any subject that requires knowledge

dull moon Nov 28, 2018, 6:27 PM

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i mean ALL you you. as soon as this name pops up, the chat goes nuts. no useful info at all, same old loop over and over again...
move on already

soft egret Nov 28, 2018, 6:27 PM

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It's like really hard to not answer :u

dull moon Nov 28, 2018, 6:28 PM

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i know, i have hard times too NOT to answer (for the good of many)

brisk ember Nov 28, 2018, 6:28 PM

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Just let FM insta-ban

soft egret Nov 28, 2018, 6:30 PM

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I just wanna help people understand. BUt yeah I know you can't teach an old dog new tricks

dull moon Nov 28, 2018, 6:30 PM

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no need to, to be honest (ban)
if one of his kids shows up asking "why u so meanies 2 psi, brah...?!?" a simple answer:
"got banned for reasons the admins and mods know about, further discussion leads to a kick or even a ban. NEXT...!"

fossil basalt Nov 28, 2018, 6:33 PM

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He was one of the new joiners

brisk ember Nov 28, 2018, 6:33 PM

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Ah, that explains it then

carmine folio Nov 28, 2018, 6:47 PM

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@surreal raptor is with arma-life, just saying

fossil basalt Nov 28, 2018, 7:07 PM

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Expect more..

delicate ember Nov 28, 2018, 7:08 PM

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Nooo.... what i've missed! tell me there is screenshot of this bullshit i've missed!

brisk ember Nov 28, 2018, 7:08 PM

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nah mate

orchid bison Nov 28, 2018, 7:09 PM

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wat u missed? Word change between Arma Life Admin and bans of Arma Life Staff

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in short

fossil basalt Nov 28, 2018, 7:11 PM

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It’s not a side show folks.

delicate ember Nov 28, 2018, 7:11 PM

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still love to have good laugh at brainless life players

fossil basalt Nov 28, 2018, 7:12 PM

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It can happen to all Arma genres, but life do seem to be making the same mistakes over and over and over ...

lone basin Nov 28, 2018, 7:16 PM

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Talking about life, started looking into some French one and found 2 reuploads of tfar already and maybe other mods on the workshop:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1569357085
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1517698778
Not sure if there is any other mods that should not be there.
Looks like every life server needs to breaking some rule (either monetization, or reupload, or both) to be considered as one...

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And btw, in their community, there are modders that are ripping of content from Forza games. Does Forza care about that?

kind sand Nov 28, 2018, 7:19 PM

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I imagine they would.

fossil basalt Nov 28, 2018, 7:23 PM

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Yes, most wrongly interpret the Forza license

soft egret Nov 28, 2018, 7:23 PM

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Never heard of these. Might look into it next couple days

carmine folio Nov 28, 2018, 7:23 PM

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Thing is, Life has bad practice.. They watch youtube vidoes on how to set up the server and they take the practice from there (Where they already are packing mods). So they believe that okey thing to do. However servers like PSI should have learned ages ago..

orchid bison Nov 28, 2018, 7:24 PM

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Can I ask, now that we're in the Life category again... Why is it that the RP community gets so much hate? I can understand if you give hate to the Devs of these life servers for ripping shit, but why do trash talk the whole playerbase of it? Most of the members are there just to roleplay, as Arma and GTA are really the only RP games out there

soft egret Nov 28, 2018, 7:25 PM

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Because most of the devs of most of the RP servers do shit.

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The ones that don't are rare outliers

hallow lark Nov 28, 2018, 7:26 PM

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And by virtue, most of those playing on those servers defend/support those practices.

orchid bison Nov 28, 2018, 7:26 PM

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Yeh the devs do, but I feel like if you're Member in a community like this, u straight up get shat on

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if you're there just to play and RP

dull moon Nov 28, 2018, 7:27 PM

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the usual lifer when his server / dev staff get's busted:
"F U, all we want is to have fun. why punish him?? we don't care about ripped content"
that's why...

lone basin Nov 28, 2018, 7:27 PM

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I don't know for others life community but the french one is toxic af, even if they know that mods are being reupload with no perms, they encourage that

hallow lark Nov 28, 2018, 7:27 PM

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If you choose to play on servers that run stolen content, you are supporting the practice.

fossil basalt Nov 28, 2018, 7:27 PM

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When players do not care that the servers they are playing on are founded on the stolen content of others, then they are just as much part of the problem.

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Just banned one in #general_chat_arma

orchid bison Nov 28, 2018, 7:29 PM

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Okay, good point, why is it that people have to steal content?

dull moon Nov 28, 2018, 7:30 PM

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why do ppl steal...

orchid bison Nov 28, 2018, 7:30 PM

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Why modders and people cant make mods?

lone basin Nov 28, 2018, 7:30 PM

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They can't do it themselves and dont want to learn

dull moon Nov 28, 2018, 7:30 PM

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^

orchid bison Nov 28, 2018, 7:30 PM

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and not all people have all the time in their life to sit and model a car

fossil basalt Nov 28, 2018, 7:31 PM

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And they can’t figure out how to use Collections

dull moon Nov 28, 2018, 7:31 PM

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well, don't use it then, or ask for permission. alternatively create mod collections where the desired models are part of

hallow lark Nov 28, 2018, 7:32 PM

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I don't have the time to work another job. Doesn't give me the right to steal money from someone else.

fossil basalt Nov 28, 2018, 7:32 PM

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@orchid bison there is never a time when it is acceptable to take someone else’s content.

lone basin Nov 28, 2018, 7:32 PM

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Yeah but every one want their own server. If there was a limited number of servers, they surely have enough modders but one is opening every days...

soft egret Nov 28, 2018, 7:32 PM

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If you can't do something. That means you can't have it. Simple?

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Well except you are just a thief and just steal things from other people if you can't have them.
Thieves are to be put into the right place. prison.

dull moon Nov 28, 2018, 7:36 PM

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this again is a principled discussion we had way to often. to shorten it a little:
there are laws, like REAL laws that protect intellectual property and copyright. if a server admin decides to violate those REAL LIFE LAWS, he get's busted, like every other criminal.
don't have the money to buy booze, you steal it, get caught, get busted
have no car, you steal one, get caught, get busted
want a modpack with cherry picked content, rip it from the original mods/games, get caught, get busted

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easy as it is

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end

fossil basalt Nov 28, 2018, 7:38 PM

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And this should be the end of discussion on the matter.

dull moon Nov 28, 2018, 7:38 PM

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admin get's busted, server/mod get's shut down, his playerbase gets pissed and attacks us. and you wonder why we don't like lifers...?

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wtf did i just witness??

lone basin Nov 28, 2018, 7:39 PM

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That was some nice magic 😮

fossil basalt Nov 28, 2018, 7:39 PM

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New bot 😉

dull moon Nov 28, 2018, 7:40 PM

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holy crispsock

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😄

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how's it working?

glass yacht Nov 28, 2018, 8:54 PM

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man that anti theft script is amazing

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could work with using the command that grabs steam IDs

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and if the ID matches someone thats reuploaded a mod, it does endMission or something idk

paper prawn Nov 28, 2018, 9:05 PM

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Just ban those that you know via BattlEye...

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Much easier

dull moon Nov 28, 2018, 10:07 PM

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global ban
😈

chilly pebble Nov 28, 2018, 10:17 PM

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Got something here. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1381545544

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Fake Edit: Modpack of Firewill's Aviations.

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what? is it not a repack?

lone basin Nov 28, 2018, 10:35 PM

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Looks like it is, he even said "it just copy/pasting" if you look in the comments. I doubt that guy is capable of doing a mod from scratch...

keen trout Nov 28, 2018, 10:35 PM

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8k subscribers lol

dusk dew Nov 28, 2018, 10:35 PM

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I DID NOT create any of this kind of points that out

chilly pebble Nov 28, 2018, 10:35 PM

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He's incapable of just making a collection instead, apparently :v

lone basin Nov 28, 2018, 10:36 PM

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But I digress, making modpacks is not very difficult at all. It is essentially just copy->pasting the pbo files from the mods you want to combine and throwing them into a megafolder named Addons.

dusk dew Nov 28, 2018, 10:36 PM

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insert shameless plug

chilly pebble Nov 28, 2018, 10:38 PM

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It's like some stupid cartoon show where the supervillain exposes his entire plan in a monologue and then laments when everything goes wrong.

potent onyx Nov 28, 2018, 11:04 PM

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"I would have gotten away with it if it wernt for you meddeling kids"

blissful arch Nov 29, 2018, 1:42 AM

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https://gyazo.com/124ef513703057ede0aa3942c6bc625a was a fun conversation

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trying to tell me he will get banned if he just sets up my mod as a dependency

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he has to include it in his modpack

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https://gyazo.com/12c43c41132d360f58b6a284be5b4ca9 its not even like its hard to add as dependencies... people are just lazy

kind sand Nov 29, 2018, 2:09 AM

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Question-

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How does one set up a collection so as to avoid something like this?

paper prawn Nov 29, 2018, 2:29 AM

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If you look at the gyazo link just above your post you will see how to do so...

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Actually that one is creating a dependent mod for your mod

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That said Steam should make the creation of Collections more obvious... as easy as uploading screenshots for example. Right now you have to go to Community>Workshop>ARMA 3 and then select Create Collection. Would be better if it was an option from your profile page or the Content>Collections page from your profile (which it is not...). Again, that said, that is no excuse for not creating collections

blissful arch Nov 29, 2018, 3:06 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=954247645 this is not how you make a collection xD

wraith comet Nov 29, 2018, 3:12 AM

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Lol

brisk ember Nov 29, 2018, 6:48 AM

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@soft egret ^ TFAR included

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@blissful arch I think that guy is talking about the mod information being sent to the server browser. Still, lazy and thievery.

soft egret Nov 29, 2018, 7:42 AM

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shamelessly inserts plug into @dusk dew
Tanks naigtstulkür I might take care of tht on the weekend.. or next weekend.. or so

brisk ember Nov 29, 2018, 10:06 AM

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what the... 😂

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Y u do dis

spare osprey Nov 29, 2018, 11:04 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1476550069

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Better Tanks

Advanced Urban Repelling
Enhanced Movement
cTab
cTab Fix
Grad Trenches
Moar Stamina x 1st RB Edit
Revo Reduced Weapons Sway (50%)
ILBE Assault Pack (TFAR)
ILBE rf3080 fix
UH-60 Pack A3 (SOAR helos)
Under Siege Patches
Blastcore Compiled (Edited, Extended FIre, and Splendid Smoke)
CJFT IR No Helmet A3
Backpack on Chest
UI Sounds 2
SWU Immersion (Sounds)
ShackTac UI
Realistic Ragdoll
ACE 3 Extension (Animation & Actions)
Firewill A10C & AWS
VQI Bullet flyby
MH-60
Kyo MH-47E
ANZACSAS Weather And Clouds Mod V2
Rich Discord Presence

soft egret Nov 29, 2018, 11:10 AM

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Didn't we have something from the same group recently? Or is that just a case of different groups using the same name and same logo

We will include all mod licenses and documentations as soon as possible. Uh.. Yeah.. It has been uploaded early august.. "as soon as possible"...

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1476556280
HLC
VSM
TRYK
Kickass

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1476627285 GG. TFAR reupload. They named it TFAR (you are not allowed to do that) and it's 1.0 (you are not allowed to do that) and it's unmodified (you are not allowed to do that)
Ticks all the boxes 😄
And even a outdated version... Keeping people using old version and giving me reports about bugs that have been fixed long ago
Have my sincere F.U.

spare osprey Nov 29, 2018, 11:19 AM

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There are a few others I scrolled through not TFAR though .

soft egret Nov 29, 2018, 11:19 AM

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They have a discord. With all their staff on it. But 0 members of their staff are here on Arma Discord 🤔

spare osprey Nov 29, 2018, 11:20 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1569433393&searchtext=MV-22 MV-22 reupload read the comments

soft egret Nov 29, 2018, 11:24 AM

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Hey.. A familiar face in the comments.
Yeah can't find a single member of the 1st Ranger Battalion here on discord.. DMCA it is then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

brisk ember Nov 29, 2018, 1:35 PM

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so many reports this week...

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Familiar indeed... Someone's gotten salty over being caught thieving

radiant onyx Nov 29, 2018, 3:44 PM

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do reports here in discord checked or handled or you must report via email ?

narrow topaz Nov 29, 2018, 3:49 PM

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You're best off to email

dull moon Nov 29, 2018, 3:52 PM

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You can find the email in the channel description

brisk ember Nov 29, 2018, 3:56 PM

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I usually just report through Steam. Doesn't that work?

fossil basalt Nov 29, 2018, 4:01 PM

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No.

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Infringements@bistudio.com
monetization@bistudio.com

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2nd Steam Report

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If it’s your own content, DMCA followed up by an email if they’re improperly monetising (or similar)

brisk ember Nov 29, 2018, 4:11 PM

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BIS on speed dial...

soft egret Nov 29, 2018, 4:48 PM

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Depends on what you wanna report. If you wanna tell a guy in this discord that his stuff has been ripped, then the E-Mail to BI or the steam report won't help much

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for improper monetization mail should go to monetization@bistudio.com

lethal tartan Nov 29, 2018, 7:35 PM

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@soft egret Someone reached out to inform me of the CI - not something we were aware of or intended to do. The person designing our mod pack led me to believe it was being done properly. I've hidden it for now to restrict access and will properly remove it once i've finished work for the day.

The intention of having things repacked is to remove features we don't utilize/not handcuff us to updates. For instance when teamspeak broke TFAR for a short time a little while ago. By staying on stable builds of TS/TFAR we don't get any surprises when updates roll out. Is there a way to achieve this same goal without infringing?

soft egret Nov 29, 2018, 7:36 PM

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No you cannot upload anything that you don't own to the workshop. You have to find other means of distributing your mods if you really need to reupload other peoples stuff.

lethal tartan Nov 29, 2018, 7:41 PM

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Gotcha. Would like to extend our apologies - certainly wasn’t our intention to infer ownership or development. Thanks for clarifying

soft egret Nov 29, 2018, 7:45 PM

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https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/english/#6
Here is the wording under 6D
In particular, with respect to Workshop Contributions, you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors).

fossil basalt Nov 29, 2018, 7:47 PM

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In other words, in no way was what you did acceptable (or legal)

lethal tartan Nov 29, 2018, 7:54 PM

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Easy big killer - I can read. As I mentioned previously that was not our intention and will tech steps to rectify the situation. We didn’t maliciously target anyone or usurp credit for financial gain. It is possible to pass on information without condescension. Just FYI. The assumption that those who don’t regularly practice copyright law know its ins and outs is a little far fetched - don’t always have to jump straight on the attack.

brisk ember Nov 29, 2018, 7:57 PM

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It should however be common knowledge you can't just take other people's work and upload it for your own good.

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Don't need to be a expert on the law to have the common sense for it

fossil basalt Nov 29, 2018, 8:12 PM

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Additionally, everyone has to agree to the Steam EULA.

More importantly @lethal tartan you will find that a repeat will result in a Discord and Bohemia Forum Ban (if you use it). It is no laughing matter.

royal charm Nov 29, 2018, 8:23 PM

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If only Steam allowed for versioning on the Steam workshop, would take away much of the reason people reupload.

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One can dream 😂

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Additonally though, if the Arma 3 Launcher allowed you to "Launch with Collection X", that would also take away a portion of the excuses.

brisk ember Nov 29, 2018, 8:28 PM

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to be honest, the responsibility for non uploading broken content lies with the author. Even if they make a mistake and accidently do upload something 'broken', it's no excuse for users to resort to this thievery. You notify the mod author and wait. Users are in no position to take an author's content into their own hands. Ever.

fossil basalt Nov 29, 2018, 8:32 PM

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I’ll disagree @royal charm because it sounds like you’re just making excuses for thieves. There’s never an excuse nor a reason for it.

royal charm Nov 29, 2018, 8:34 PM

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You misunderstand - I'm definitely not making excuses for thieves @fossil basalt

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I'm just saying that there are potential changes that would reduce the occurrences. Would never stop everybody though.

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Same as active policing reduces murder rate here in my city. Doesn't get rid of it, and active policing doesn't mean "making excuses for murderers" 😆

brisk ember Nov 29, 2018, 8:35 PM

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@lethal tartan You going to rectify the CI too for the other dozen or so mods your mod pack designer so naively put together?

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I take that back... it's dozens.

lethal tartan Nov 29, 2018, 8:38 PM

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Reread my first message

brisk ember Nov 29, 2018, 8:39 PM

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Directed to Dedmen. Has not a single mention of all the other CI.

lethal tartan Nov 29, 2018, 8:40 PM

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“I’ve hidden it for now and will remove when I finish work” my apologies for not tagging everyone involved?

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Removing the collection means all the mods.

royal charm Nov 29, 2018, 8:41 PM

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You don't specify whether you're removing the collection or just TFAR. Don't act like an ass - you're the one in the wrong.

brisk ember Nov 29, 2018, 8:41 PM

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Hidden? They're quite visible

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All three of them

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Hold on jesus christ

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Even your ACE3 mod is full of the shit

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All four of them.

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1476627285
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1476556280
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1476550069
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1476543239

And what about the Fort Benning one?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1479729400

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That map isn't owned by the 1st RB, is it?

fossil basalt Nov 29, 2018, 8:46 PM

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Give him enough time to get home from work. If it’s not down an hour after he gets home, Report and DMCA time.

brisk ember Nov 29, 2018, 8:46 PM

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He said he'd hidden them and would sort it when he gets home

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He's not hidden anything

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That was the point 😉

fossil basalt Nov 29, 2018, 8:47 PM

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We’ve got enough info to get the whole operation shut down if he doesn’t.

brisk ember Nov 29, 2018, 8:47 PM

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Alrighty

lethal tartan Nov 29, 2018, 8:49 PM

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Hid the collection, not the mods. My bad. Not easy from mobile. Like I’ve said multiple times - I have no intention of not removing them. Save your attorney fees for when you actually need them 🙄

soft egret Nov 29, 2018, 9:04 PM

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attorney fee's only come up when someone illegally counterclaims a DMCA (which is a fellony)

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Wait. Am I mixing things up?
What was a fellony? filing a false DMCA, or falsely counterclaiming?

brisk ember Nov 29, 2018, 9:10 PM

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Both

royal charm Nov 29, 2018, 9:26 PM

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or if you file a DMCA through a DMCA attorney

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DMCA org takes a $200 fee for that lol

faint nacelle Nov 29, 2018, 9:31 PM

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@soft egret could start selling Steam Workshop DMCA service

soft egret Nov 29, 2018, 9:31 PM

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Give me #350 and I'll DMCA your upload

faint nacelle Nov 29, 2018, 9:32 PM

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xD

heady stump Nov 29, 2018, 9:32 PM

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tanking

opal dune Nov 29, 2018, 9:34 PM

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not sure if this has been put here yet but ASN seem to be distributing ebos through the workshop, i thought ebos were against the EULA?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1205468315
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1173971459
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1186960685

icy trellis Nov 29, 2018, 9:34 PM

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see it off

faint nacelle Nov 29, 2018, 9:46 PM

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@opal dune report to the email on the channel description

opal dune Nov 29, 2018, 9:47 PM

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will do

royal charm Nov 29, 2018, 11:03 PM

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@soft egret you aint passed no bar exam, dont get yoself arrested

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😬

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Though I could name you a "co-author" and then you could DMCA freely 😂

minor sonnet Nov 30, 2018, 2:14 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1570755165

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Anyone know Arman?

delicate ember Nov 30, 2018, 7:16 AM

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he released Sources and / or stopped develop of his map

minor sonnet Nov 30, 2018, 5:41 PM

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oh I didn't know he released sources

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How are there not like 50000 crappy life server attempts?

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And then there's Australia again lol

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If Aussie isn't going to interact with the Arma community anymore though, no point in acting on it I guess

grand oyster Nov 30, 2018, 6:03 PM

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https://a3chz.blogspot.com/ For the chernobyl map

carmine folio Nov 30, 2018, 6:07 PM

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I have a few questions. Can you license mission files? Are there any restrictions about doing so?
What about dl through website etc. vs when you join a server? IE: Github vs "Recieving mission file" that gets put in your mpMissionCache.

I've seen people upload licenses with mission files before but I'm not 100% how this works.

soft egret Nov 30, 2018, 6:07 PM

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if it's your code, you can put your license on that sure

carmine folio Nov 30, 2018, 6:15 PM

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Ok, thanks for the quick reply! I assumed that was the case. Just thought I'd ask in-case arma had something hidden in some EULA about it that I haven't seen. I've only ever seen licenses on missions being open and share oriented so no real trouble. 😃

radiant onyx Dec 1, 2018, 12:18 AM

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FYI: I've reported two mass mods repacks to infringements@bistudio.com & just recieved an answer from Karel. So it turns out BI have no legal ground in third party disputes, over the re-uploaded to steams workshop mods . No point of writing reports if you are not the original owner. They recommend reporting to mods owners first , so they can file DMCA to Valve. So even if you somehow find the original owner , no one knows if they even take the time and file any DMCA .... The way this works, no wonder reuploaders and such , have so much freedom.

royal charm Dec 1, 2018, 12:20 AM

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To be fair, the author may not care.

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It does bring problems with inactive authors tho

wild pollen Dec 1, 2018, 12:22 AM

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Its up to the creator of the content to protect his work

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Not internet "vigilantes"

paper prawn Dec 1, 2018, 12:30 AM

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As an example, ACE welcomes reuploads so long as you make sure that they are not identified as the ACE mod

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And it is sometimes necessary to remove ACE features that do not work with other mods or modify certain features

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That said, they retain the right to DCMA anyone they might want to in the future ofc

wild pollen Dec 1, 2018, 12:34 AM

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Yes but THEY need to dmca. Not some random person who isnt associated with ACE in any way.

paper prawn Dec 1, 2018, 12:34 AM

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Yes ofc

wild pollen Dec 1, 2018, 12:35 AM

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Thats what "The Dude" thinks is wrong. Would be absolute chaos if anyone could dmca anything without being the original owner.

paper prawn Dec 1, 2018, 12:37 AM

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I sort of get tired of people telling me that Steam forbids uploads when the mod owner grants permission to do so too tbh. I understand why people say so... But

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And I do really understand why people say that

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And sort of agree with why they do. But

brisk ember Dec 1, 2018, 12:40 AM

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BI can't DMCA. They can however set the mods as incompatible with Arma 3

paper prawn Dec 1, 2018, 12:43 AM

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Well. Report the mods to their owners or here for action. I know BI have marked some as incompatible and mod owners here can DCMA. Reporting to the BI email is more about monetization and IP violations of BI IP

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Haven't BI said repeatedly that they cannot legally deal with 3rd Party mod issues?

radiant onyx Dec 1, 2018, 12:45 AM

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I've reported here, and people recommended me writing to BI.. now you recommend me reporting here? 😉

wild pollen Dec 1, 2018, 12:46 AM

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Did you report to the original IP owners?

radiant onyx Dec 1, 2018, 12:46 AM

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I'll just contact mod owners

wild pollen Dec 1, 2018, 12:46 AM

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Thats the first thing you should do

paper prawn Dec 1, 2018, 12:46 AM

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Links to the mods and list the mods involved

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That normally works pretty well

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Filing a DCMA if you are not the IP owner is iirc a criminal offense

radiant onyx Dec 1, 2018, 12:48 AM

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And by the way, nothing wrong in "vigilantes". I would love to see people reporting me about my work when its used without permission and moreover reuploaded.

wild pollen Dec 1, 2018, 12:49 AM

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What?

paper prawn Dec 1, 2018, 12:49 AM

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Wait, what?

wild pollen Dec 1, 2018, 12:49 AM

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Nothing wrong in "vigilates" ? You dont see how letting anyone DMCA anything without being the owner is a terrible idea?

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I'm not sure you understood what I meant

radiant onyx Dec 1, 2018, 12:50 AM

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what

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I never filed DMCA. As you said , it should be done by the owner.

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Reporting system is kinda faulty. Thats all.

wild pollen Dec 1, 2018, 12:51 AM

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Not really. BI legally cant DMCA stuff that they dont own the rights too

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0 sense in reporting mod infringement to BI other than them marking it as "incompatible"

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that email is for people infringing BI IP rights or servers violating monetization.

wise cairn Dec 1, 2018, 1:01 AM

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if I got a IP rights question for ACE3, should I ask here, or on their slack?

wild pollen Dec 1, 2018, 1:01 AM

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You'd probably get a better answer on their slack

wise cairn Dec 1, 2018, 1:01 AM

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okay cool thx

paper prawn Dec 1, 2018, 1:06 AM

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Or their github

wise cairn Dec 1, 2018, 1:13 AM

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oh yea, I think slack would be faster, thx tho

minor sonnet Dec 1, 2018, 4:11 AM

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The biggest problem I see is that Steam really needs to make a dumbed down confirmation when uploading work that explains that you're supposed to be the ACTUAL author of the content, because 9/10 of these schmucks just don't get it. I'M NOT THE ORIGINAL CONTENT CREATOR BLAHBLAH SO ITS ALL GOOD! If they're not going to do anything about actually making difficult for people to do so, then they need to include a description that says that the uploader isn't the actual author and call it a day. That way, AT LEAST, if people follow it properly users can discern whether the content is from the original source or not.

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Of course I'm thinking from making terrain, maybe that wouldn't even work for everything

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In the case of Australia, I don't know why he even bothered taking it down since, if anyone already was subscribed, it's still on their harddrives. So it just leads to this conundrum where people who had been using the mod suddenly either have to scrap everything they had or rely on other ways to supply it to their players(I mean... It's still on Armaholic...). Instead people just keep reuploading it so their players can access it the way they're supposed to.

royal charm Dec 1, 2018, 4:34 AM

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Like I've said a few times, Steam needs to be proactive about this sort of thing. There's quite a few things they can do to reduce the rate of copyright infringement uploads.

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However, that's a pretty unpopular opinion, because some people think that absolves the infringers of blame (which I don't think it does)

minor sonnet Dec 1, 2018, 7:17 AM

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blaming them isn't going to do shit if they're not actually being punished for it

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and when everyone and their cousin is doing it because tl;dr...

soft egret Dec 1, 2018, 7:57 AM

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@radiant onyx read this https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/105792634995388416/517743775599034388
Where you report to, depends on what you want to report.

fossil basalt Dec 1, 2018, 9:00 AM

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@royal charm @wild pollen @radiant onyx @paper prawn

Regarding inactive modders, vigilantes. re-uploaders and Original authors..

There is nothing wrong with informing a re-uploader that he is violating the SSA sect 6D. In some cases, the offenders say "my bad" and immediately remove it. On the flip side, those that say that they "don't care", they've just provided evidence of their guilt and their reupload will be marked incompatible when reported (and sufficient evidence provided). If you see work being re-uploaded, report it!

Note: Steam are starting to process some of these reports, so be as specific and mature as possible when doing so.

This brings us to re-uploads (uploads). There are 2 VERY specific instances when something may be uploaded

When you are the creator.
When you worked as part of a team (and have permission from each member "that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors")

ONLY THE AUTHOR (or designated rep like PuFu or Chris (RHS/CUP)) may file a DMCA

INACTIVE authors DO NOT lose the right to their content, don't let people fool you.

Re-uploads, 99% of the time Prohibited (but, there are edge cases like ACE).

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You represent and warrant to us that you have sufficient rights in all User Generated Content to grant Valve and other affected parties the licenses described under A. and B. above or in any license terms specific to the applicable Workshop-Enabled App or Workshop page. This includes, without limitation, any kind of intellectual property rights or other proprietary or personal rights affected by or included in the User Generated Content. In particular, with respect to Workshop Contributions, you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors).

You furthermore represent and warrant that the User Generated Content, your submission of that Content, and your granting of rights in that Content does not violate any applicable contract, law or regulation.```

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Grahame, I sort of get tired of people telling me that Steam forbids uploads when the mod owner grants permission to do so too tbh. 9.9 time out of 10, that is prohibited. Very very few mods are made my single individuals. For one person to hand over rights to you for the purpose of uploading would be regarded with scepticism.

royal charm Dec 1, 2018, 9:21 AM

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@fossil basalt ```ONLY THE AUTHOR (or designated rep like PuFu or Chris (RHS/CUP)) may file a DMCA

INACTIVE authors DO NOT lose the right to their content, don't let people fool you. ```

I don't think anyone was saying anything to the contrary of this

soft egret Dec 1, 2018, 9:21 AM

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not recently. But definitely in the past

royal charm Dec 1, 2018, 9:21 AM

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We were talking about inactive authors because, when the author is inactive (and thus there is nobody to file DMCA on reuploads), the reuploading becomes rampant. It's still not allowed, obviously, but it just happens at a higher rate

fossil basalt Dec 1, 2018, 9:21 AM

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Its something I see being said quite often on Steam

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We were talking about inactive authors because, when the author is inactive (and thus there is nobody to file DMCA on reuploads), the reuploading becomes rampant. It's still not allowed, obviously, but it just happens at a higher rate
They can still be reported.

royal charm Dec 1, 2018, 9:23 AM

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Aye, they just can't be DMCA'd

fossil basalt Dec 1, 2018, 9:25 AM

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Not until the author has been contacted, no. Or in the case of "certain" mods, that Bi administer.

soft egret Dec 1, 2018, 9:25 AM

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You don't need the author for a DMCA, you just need someone who has his content in there

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like the cases where some Map developer gave monetized life servers permission to use his map, but his map was using things from CUP and Mondkalb that can't be monetized

fossil basalt Dec 1, 2018, 9:25 AM

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^

royal charm Dec 1, 2018, 9:25 AM

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Though I wonder about the validity of what @radiant onyx claims Karel said, that infringements@bistudio.com will not remove reuploads unless reported by author?...

soft egret Dec 1, 2018, 9:25 AM

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That's true yes.

fossil basalt Dec 1, 2018, 9:26 AM

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Not completely true, no.

royal charm Dec 1, 2018, 9:26 AM

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So for example, if TFAR got reuploaded, and you disappeared off the face off the earth, and I reported the reupload to infringements@bistudio.com, BI would not remove it? That seems backwards

soft egret Dec 1, 2018, 9:26 AM

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Well depends of course. generally they mark as incompatible.
Rarely things get removed, because you have to be 100% sure that it's a violation and that the author doesn't want it

fossil basalt Dec 1, 2018, 9:26 AM

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I've had quite a few removed for containing ripped content.

royal charm Dec 1, 2018, 9:27 AM

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That's what I thought @fossil basalt

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But supposedly Karel said otherwise according to @radiant onyx

fossil basalt Dec 1, 2018, 9:28 AM

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When the violation is obvious and egregious, it is removed.

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One of us has been here a lot longer than the other.

royal charm Dec 1, 2018, 9:30 AM

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Oh yes, I know you're rather new to the Arma community @fossil basalt 😂

fossil basalt Dec 1, 2018, 9:31 AM

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👌

minor sonnet Dec 2, 2018, 9:07 AM

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Is there any kind of confirmation that the content is yours when using the Arma publisher? If not... that's something BI could certainly do and wouldn't be that hard to implement. I haven't used the publisher in a while XD

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Wouldn't be that big of a deal to have a confirmation and click OK.

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Because most of these scrubs are just clueless.

soft egret Dec 2, 2018, 9:14 AM

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There's not

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and we have begged for it for years. But I guess BI doesn't want that
Dwarden once argued they won't put it in because it won't help.

minor sonnet Dec 2, 2018, 9:27 AM

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too hard

fossil basalt Dec 2, 2018, 9:40 AM

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Enough quality public pushback will work.

royal charm Dec 2, 2018, 2:43 PM

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I mean

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Maybe put a threat in it

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😂

carmine folio Dec 3, 2018, 2:30 AM

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Can I ask a question

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There is a new altis life server starting up and they've stolen a bunch of scripts from myself and an old development friend of mine

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its all .sqf code

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Is that bohemias content or mine

paper prawn Dec 3, 2018, 2:34 AM

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Yours, assuming (given it's Life) that you didn't steal it from someone else...

carmine folio Dec 3, 2018, 2:55 AM

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Why are you asking a stupid question?

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Why would I ask if it wasn't mine?

paper prawn Dec 3, 2018, 2:56 AM

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You must be new here... but as I said, yours... DCMA them

mint edge Dec 3, 2018, 4:19 AM

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lol

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life modding is just an endless chain of theft and repackaging

carmine folio Dec 3, 2018, 4:25 AM

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I think TLR phrased it well back in the day. They had some background story about "life" that they posted here and there.

carmine folio Dec 3, 2018, 4:53 AM

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Its non-modded.

fossil basalt Dec 3, 2018, 7:06 AM

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@carmine folio A solid 90% of all “life code” has been ripped from other authors. That is why very very few people will believe you when you say it’s yours.
A note of warning though, if you file a DMCA on content that you did not create, you are liable to be prosecuted.

carmine folio Dec 3, 2018, 7:09 AM

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This is pathetic.. I wouldn't of asked the question if it wasn't my content.

heady stump Dec 3, 2018, 7:22 AM

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Many people have, don't act like you're being singled out.

fossil basalt Dec 3, 2018, 7:38 AM

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In the oh, 15 or so years that I’ve been here, I can count the number of wholly created from scratch “life coders” on one hand. And that’s not even all the fingers.
You only need to scroll up for a bit to see that we get a significant number of users per month claiming to have created something 100% on their own, only to find that said creations have been stolen time and time again from others.

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It’s not that I (or we) am a cynic, it’s that most people lie.

pliant oar Dec 3, 2018, 7:42 AM

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in case someone spots same IP violators on both Arma 3 and DayZ workshop, please drop me msg via DM

fossil basalt Dec 3, 2018, 7:44 AM

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👍

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The biggest violator at the moment is FIDOv, but DayZ only.

carmine folio Dec 3, 2018, 7:51 AM

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@fossil basalt Life servers are a huge part of ARMA it seems like you guys are just pushing them away.

fossil basalt Dec 3, 2018, 7:53 AM

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You’ve obviously not been here long.

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Most DMCAs are against Life Mods.

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The number one thieving community in Arma.

opal dune Dec 3, 2018, 7:54 AM

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As a person who's spent their entire time in ArmA doing life server stuff, I have to say i've never seen such a cesspool, most people are ok but there's a few key people that ruin it for literally everyone

delicate ember Dec 3, 2018, 7:55 AM

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I think the most dmca'd stuff is from kickass

opal dune Dec 3, 2018, 7:55 AM

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Mostly seems like young adults or younger trying to make a quick buck

fossil basalt Dec 3, 2018, 7:55 AM

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The vast majority of vehicles in life mods are stolen

indigo tide Dec 3, 2018, 7:56 AM

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Oof

fossil basalt Dec 3, 2018, 7:56 AM

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Jonzie, Shounka, CharlieCo ... all stolen /ripped content

delicate ember Dec 3, 2018, 7:57 AM

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Jonzie is stolen? Damn i must remove it my friend told me its legit

fossil basalt Dec 3, 2018, 7:57 AM

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That is correct

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(That it’s stolen)

carmine folio Dec 3, 2018, 7:58 AM

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Jonzie stole it

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or

delicate ember Dec 3, 2018, 7:58 AM

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Any proof of it? I wpuld like to show them why im deleting it, from which game?

fossil basalt Dec 3, 2018, 7:58 AM

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He has uploaded it, which makes him the thief

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100% proof

carmine folio Dec 3, 2018, 7:59 AM

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What did Jonzie steal?

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The 3models?

fossil basalt Dec 3, 2018, 7:59 AM

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Yes

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I can almost hear the penny dropping now ...

delicate ember Dec 3, 2018, 8:00 AM

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But from which game? GTAV?

fossil basalt Dec 3, 2018, 8:01 AM

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There are quite a few

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PsiSyn for example just got caught with ripped GTA models

opal dune Dec 3, 2018, 8:02 AM

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Is this PsiSyn when Repentz was there by any chance? 😉

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Not sure what communities he's at nowadays

fossil basalt Dec 3, 2018, 8:03 AM

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Yes

opal dune Dec 3, 2018, 8:03 AM

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ah, expected then

carmine folio Dec 3, 2018, 8:04 AM

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Psisyn doesnt run ARMA-life btw

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He just plays it

fossil basalt Dec 3, 2018, 8:04 AM

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Now can you see how laughable the previous comment sounds? Life servers are a huge part of ARMA it seems like you guys are just pushing them away.

carmine folio Dec 3, 2018, 8:04 AM

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Life servers aren't just modded servers..

delicate ember Dec 3, 2018, 8:06 AM

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Did i heard rippenz?

fossil basalt Dec 3, 2018, 8:07 AM

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The majority of life servers are modded, it's how they make their money. That is why this is the IP Rights Violation channel, because they are always being reported.

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This channel has figuratively been "bought and paid for" by thieving Life Communities.

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For the less than %10 of honest RP communities, the rest have completely ruined it for you.

echo orchid Dec 3, 2018, 12:57 PM

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Life servers are a huge part of ARMA it seems like you guys are just pushing them away.
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non modded life servers are like what, 1%?

soft egret Dec 3, 2018, 1:39 PM

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Out of the monetized life servers, the unmodded ones are actually the majority.. But that's just because the modded ones rather steal mods and don't ask for permission than following the rules that they swore to follow.
Unmodded servers with obfuscated mission files aren't that easy to check for violations which is the sole reason why they haven't been decimated yet

faint nacelle Dec 3, 2018, 1:41 PM

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out of curiosity how can an unmodded server violate anything? I mean if they dont use any mods?

soft egret Dec 3, 2018, 1:41 PM

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@delicate ember Jonzie is stolen? Damn i must remove it my friend told me its legit Did you think it was pure coincidence that just about everything that jonzie has exists in the same form with tons of coincidential similarities between the models in other games like GTA or Forza?

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They can still use stolen scripts and images and music

vernal thunder Dec 3, 2018, 1:42 PM

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Unmodded life servers are the majority, Modded life servers are dying. Mainly in part to sketchy practises and being generally bad quality

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@faint nacelle Pay 2 Win servers can violate the EULA / Monetization rules

faint nacelle Dec 3, 2018, 1:42 PM

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aaa yeah all that

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😛

vernal thunder Dec 3, 2018, 1:43 PM

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The only honest and legitimate life server I know of is Granf Theft Arma servers and they are actually pretty fun to play on ngl

stoic beacon Dec 3, 2018, 1:43 PM

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I would never call any server "legit". You never know

vernal thunder Dec 3, 2018, 1:46 PM

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True but I wouldn't say they are any less legit than any other server out there. I think life in itself can be pretty fun and there is nothing inherently wrong with it as a game mode. I think it just reaaaallly attracts the wrong kind of audience.

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and the wrong kind of "devs / thief's"

soft egret Dec 3, 2018, 1:49 PM

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the wrong kind of "kids"*

stoic beacon Dec 3, 2018, 1:50 PM

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You can't say the Life/RP Gamemode itself is bad, it's just like you said... the wrong people.

vernal thunder Dec 3, 2018, 1:52 PM

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Yeah, Unfortunately though the people / kids that play and "mod" it bring the reputation of the game mode down with them.

soft egret Dec 3, 2018, 1:52 PM

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I've met some great life people, character wise. Problem was just that most of them are literal retards.

vernal thunder Dec 3, 2018, 1:53 PM

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The thing is a lot of life players only play life. They don't know there is any more to Arma than life. Whereas other game modes the players are a lot more diversified in terms of they play more than one game mode. I think it leads to a lot of ignorance to the rules in place with the game

compact merlin Dec 3, 2018, 2:25 PM

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Imho, problems with "life" servers take their root from the basic monetization rules and mechanics of honoring or striking of modmakers:
There is a thousands of ctrl+c, ctrl+v servers and only a few projects, which try to respect BI and copyright rules. They spend a lot of time and/or money for hosting servers without restricted donations. And every new day you compare yourself with retards, who without any effort take stolen mods and rename a few strings in scripts. And more you spend - more you realize that you are a fu**ing idiot, who wants to keep respecting the rules in a world, where noone else do this.
Why should you do somthing by yourself, if you can take others work, open server, sell few tanks, close it after a month and open again under new name? Even if BI bans their arma key for servers who have profit and don't lose money/time it is not a problem to buy new and reupload mod again.

In my opinion, there should be more stricted moderation or at last a honoring system for them, who try - it could be a way, how developers can show for simple players, that projects who make somthing is better then ones, where is as many mods as admin reuploaded from WS. Maybe some kind of meaning in SitReps or mini chalanges (like MANW)

lone basin Dec 3, 2018, 2:44 PM

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Is used to play life a lot but more I discovered about their content, less I played. RP missions are good but peoples that run these communities or communities themselves are shit. As said above, all servers that are making original content (and I can count them on my hand...) generally end being ripped off. Life is (for the french community) centered around profits. A friend of mine developed a server for 6-7 months, opened for 6 months. Every thing was, at my knowledge, right: no donations, original scripts and textures, etc. But the community was juste like "Give us ig money for real one", "rip that off", ... I said to not go after this path and he closed. That juste give a general image about life community; they don't care about rules, they want everything and do whatever they want. Milsim are just more mature. They don't care about rules either but there are fewer milsim group ¯_(ツ)_/¯. This is not limited to life server but they are the biggest group.

Ps: sorry if there is any strong language, I just traduced as I can

soft egret Dec 3, 2018, 2:46 PM

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There are way more milsim groups than life. But milsim's are like.. closed. Not as public facing.
They host mods in a internal repo, there is not really any money involved.
Many of the milsim groups you don't even see

lone basin Dec 3, 2018, 2:50 PM

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I think they're pretty close in terms of numbers but yeah since they're closed, I seems like they're less but still doesn't change my point (don't know if that was clear): The problem is not limited to life, most of others mods rip off content but they are more discreet.

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Also are private reppo dmca-able without being a pain in the ass? If so I may have some links I think

soft egret Dec 3, 2018, 2:57 PM

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sure you can DMCA private repos.
But what sense would it make if modders would forbid people to use their mods?

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Forcing people to use steam workshop for just that one single mod? Most communities I know would rather just drop the mod than getting that one mod from workshop and having to explain that to every member

lone basin Dec 3, 2018, 3:05 PM

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Oh yeah, but sometimes teams are just downloading every mods that they want on the sws and upload them on their server. In this case I don't see the utility of doing that even more if you're updating it or (if allowed) lessen his weight. If they just upload one or two sws mod in their own pack to have everything in one place, I'm sure that modders are okeyish but uploading the whole sws is just a waste of resources

soft egret Dec 3, 2018, 3:05 PM

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We get almost all of our mods from SW and put them into our own repo.

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For one SW updates when we don't want,
second random SW bugs where it just kills all your mods and redownloads everything,
third mod downloads are deeply embedded into our ecosystem.

Trying to connect that to steam workshop would either simply not work, or we'll have to illegally upload mods to the workshop that aren't there yet. Which, to be fair, some milsim groups are doing. Just use everything from workshop, and illegally upload the rest that isn't there in the form that you need it. But no I won't do that. Ever.
And what about our private mods that we don't want to be public? Friends only workshop item and one guy in the group has to be friends with everyone who might play with us? yea no.
Plus updating a mod is literally copy-pasting a pbo. Workshop is alot more work

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Though we also make sure that IF you have a mod from workshop and IF it's the right version, we let you use that. No nonsense duplicate downloaded mods like some stupid groups are doing. No full "modpack" steam uploads like some even more retarded groups are doing.

lone basin Dec 3, 2018, 3:13 PM

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Fair point, I guess since I play in a very small "milsim unit" (where talking about 6 members stimulating a fictive sf) and using mainly custom mods in addition to 4 sws mods we don't run into issue or unwanted update. So yeah, big milsim groups are not in my field of "competence" xD

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And yeah if you have the correct version but in the sws, it's total nonsense to impose the other method.

brisk ember Dec 4, 2018, 10:32 AM

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Reported majority, but some I'm not sure whether to report or not :/

scarlet patrol Dec 4, 2018, 1:53 PM

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do you actively look out for those?

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oh ok looks like it just a single guys ding all this
that's one helluva bad rep

chilly pebble Dec 4, 2018, 2:29 PM

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His workshop has two page's worth. I'm impressed.

fossil basalt Dec 4, 2018, 7:29 PM

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https://blog.turbosquid.com/royalty-free-license/#Editorial-Usage-tip

TurboSquid Blog

Jamie Reily

Using the TurboSquid Royalty Free License - TurboSquid Blog

brisk ember Dec 4, 2018, 9:53 PM

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upload of a million-and-one https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1510168307
Made by your locally recruiting 16th AAB Pathfinding platoon.

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@sweet minnow it holds some 3CB products too. Mostly related to ACE

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HAFM, NIArms

sweet minnow Dec 4, 2018, 9:56 PM

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Thanks

brisk ember Dec 4, 2018, 9:56 PM

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anyone know where I can contact Aplion or Devastator?

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@sacred cliff mod belongs to you by the way ^

sacred cliff Dec 4, 2018, 10:19 PM

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@brisk ember doesnt include any 3cb stuff, we use the official addons

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it's a private pack to save everyone subscribing to 1000 small mods

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includes stuff like advanced rappelling and private mods created by the members

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the NI arms FAL and M4's

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also not supposed to be public so changed that

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the 3cb stuff is just ace compatability

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again, to stop members having to download 100's of singular tiny mods

dull moon Dec 4, 2018, 10:25 PM

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create a steam workshop mod collection and let your players subscribe to that. done

sacred cliff Dec 4, 2018, 10:25 PM

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we have and that already has 15 odd mods

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it's mainly for ace compatibility stuff

dull moon Dec 4, 2018, 10:27 PM

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doesn't change the fact that you are not allowed to reupload the work of others (rappeling, weapons, ect)

sacred cliff Dec 4, 2018, 10:27 PM

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not public anymore anyway

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was a mistake on my part

brisk ember Dec 4, 2018, 10:37 PM

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the kka TFAR animations were made by someone in your group?

sacred cliff Dec 4, 2018, 10:54 PM

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no

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as I said, it's a mix of small singular mods and scripts that is supposed to be hidden and private

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and has been for the last few years

brisk ember Dec 4, 2018, 11:09 PM

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doesn't mean you have the right to upload it though. Even if it's set as private. It's still theft.

dull moon Dec 4, 2018, 11:10 PM

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*piracy

brisk ember Dec 4, 2018, 11:11 PM

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isn't that theft too?

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in any case both are highly illegal 😛

sacred cliff Dec 4, 2018, 11:14 PM

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well can remove it if it bothers people so much

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it was a very private thing for a long time

brisk ember Dec 4, 2018, 11:15 PM

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I mean unless you want it to get DMCA'd anyway I highly suggest you remove all mods that you don't own the copyright to

sacred cliff Dec 4, 2018, 11:15 PM

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would be nice if there was an ace compatability mod pack

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including all mods

brisk ember Dec 4, 2018, 11:16 PM

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That would result in millions of different combinations of content. Whereas just sharing the HTML preset and having a collection solves all your problems

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I doubt any mod author is interested in that million of illegal reuploads.

sacred cliff Dec 4, 2018, 11:23 PM

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gone

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and we do have collections it's just annoying to have 30 odd mods as it looks bad to people interested in joining

brisk ember Dec 4, 2018, 11:34 PM

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High time your recruits stop being so overly picky then.

sacred cliff Dec 4, 2018, 11:34 PM

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arma community I guess

brisk ember Dec 4, 2018, 11:35 PM

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I haven't met one player yet that skips meeting a group because the group doesn't illegally reupload other people's content and instead go the legal way with a collection

sacred cliff Dec 4, 2018, 11:36 PM

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ok

brisk ember Dec 4, 2018, 11:39 PM

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You guys will be fine with a collection 😉

paper prawn Dec 5, 2018, 1:05 AM

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While uploading of ACE with necessary modifications and assuming you don't make it look like ACE is a grey area, uploading the ACE Compat mods is not. There are reasons why some servers need to modify ACE, no modifications are necessary to the released ACE compatibility mods. Additions sure but you can do your own mod that adds things

brisk ember Dec 5, 2018, 10:42 AM

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Another Australia map >> https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1176120280&searchtext=

carmine folio Dec 5, 2018, 11:36 AM

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Q: What's a good way to say you'll "allow" a breach of ND? IE: Someone stole code licensed under ND but I feel like letting it slide if they use the same license.
I used: CC BY-NC 3.0
As far as I understand it's completely fine for me to let certain violations slide and still be able to act against others.

brisk ember Dec 5, 2018, 11:45 AM

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it is

echo orchid Dec 5, 2018, 12:50 PM

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@carmine folio it is 100% up to you, and letting one slide doesn't mean you necessary need to let everyone slide, nor does it negates your EULA

carmine folio Dec 5, 2018, 12:51 PM

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Ok, thanks! I really just don't want my code, albeit a very small ammount, to end up on something like armascams.net or some shit.

soft egret Dec 5, 2018, 2:19 PM

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From @clear pike's list.:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1394736498 3CB equipment @sweet minnow
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1205927714 USAF (who takes care of USAF?) @humble delta That's your illegal reupload...
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1553593415 Firewills jets, HLC, @stoic beacon animations, @burnt oak's ragdoll, JSRS, RH Pistols... @humble delta you again...

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1312957915 EricJ's Blackhawk @humble delta you again....
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1397030307 Same blackhawk again, SOAR MH-47E by konyo... @humble delta you again... I'm starting to see a pattern dude.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1163092237 same MH-47E by konyo... @humble delta still in the game.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1155540284 RQ-11B raven by Faint.. Still @humble delta
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1116662471 Jbad, MBG Killhouses, xCam, something from sahrani, a couple mods by plp... This seems to be the end of the list of @humble delta's illegal reuploads

burnt oak Dec 5, 2018, 2:20 PM

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at some point i should make a template and just dmca a whole weekend long

sweet minnow Dec 5, 2018, 2:21 PM

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thanks

dull moon Dec 5, 2018, 2:27 PM

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USAF is @queen wing and fuller (not on discord i thibk)

soft egret Dec 5, 2018, 2:28 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1395610239 HLC, @stoic beacon's animations
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1322001004 @burnt oak anomalies, FEMAL3, HAFM, CBRN mod, tons of Kickass stuff, OPTRE, USAF (Please tell the USAF guy), VSM
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1507578617 Kunduz, Bozcaada, Bornholm, Fallujah, CUP bikeys and CUP license text file?!

dull moon Dec 5, 2018, 2:29 PM

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at some point i should make a template and just dmca a whole weekend long
not more than 25 a day. dawn (valve) got a little pissed when i filed 50+ a day
https://i.imgur.com/n39F7hR.jpg
@burnt oak

Imgur

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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oh... those where hundreds actually 😂

soft egret Dec 5, 2018, 2:31 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1393884020 JSRS, Blastcore. I don't know if @fallow stag has any problems with reuploads?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1391806785 @stoic beacon animations

Okey I'm done with the list

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@burnt oak template you say? https://s.sqf.ovh/notepad%2B%2B_2018-12-05_15-31-50.png 😄 (yes no embed to not spam channel)

queen wing Dec 5, 2018, 2:39 PM

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Yess, thank you

broken hornet Dec 5, 2018, 2:41 PM

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which optre pbos?

soft egret Dec 5, 2018, 2:43 PM

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OPTRE_Hud.pbo
OPTRE_Emblems.pbo
OPTRE_Iberius.pbo
OPTRE_UNSC_Units.pbo
OPTRE_Arctic.pbo
OPTRE_MJOLNIR.pbo
OPTRE_Optional_SlimLeg.pbo
OPTRE_RemoteExec.pbo
OPTRE_Vehicles.pbo

Do I really need to post all of them? There are 54 optre pbos

broken hornet Dec 5, 2018, 2:43 PM

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hm

stoic beacon Dec 5, 2018, 2:48 PM

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😐

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I thought I'll have a free day today....

fossil basalt Dec 5, 2018, 2:50 PM

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@dull moon Please do

carmine folio Dec 5, 2018, 2:51 PM

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Why does valve complain about too many DCMA filings? Are you just supposed to ignore breach of contract**? lmfao

narrow topaz Dec 5, 2018, 2:51 PM

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Should tell her to hire more people if she's overworked, rather than ask IP owners to ignore theft.

fossil basalt Dec 5, 2018, 2:54 PM

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I'd ask Dawn what her limit per day is and send her one less.

dull moon Dec 5, 2018, 3:03 PM

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@fossil basalt
do what?
@carmine folio
working a DMCA takes time, and i guess the group of ppl at valve working arma DMCAs is rather small

carmine folio Dec 5, 2018, 3:06 PM

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So, 24? @fossil basalt

@dull moon true, maybe they can make 6D (the golden rule of breakage) bold or something so people actually read it lol

cinder ridge Dec 5, 2018, 3:38 PM

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or actually update their policy and ban people from uploading anything after a certain amount of violations 🙃

dull moon Dec 5, 2018, 3:44 PM

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can't be automated, won't happen

dull moon Dec 5, 2018, 8:49 PM

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Already asked for this, won't happen...

chilly silo Dec 5, 2018, 9:06 PM

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Personally i'd be happy with the removal of workshop upload privileges. It would save Valve a hell a lot of DMCA processing hence save some money.

midnight crystal Dec 5, 2018, 10:58 PM

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Anyone know who handles the reuploads of USAF? These guys just did a copy and paste and claim it's their own xD https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1572656516&searchtext=

heady stump Dec 5, 2018, 10:59 PM

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@queen wing ^

narrow topaz Dec 5, 2018, 11:00 PM

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All of the mods we upload whether we made them or not

heady stump Dec 5, 2018, 11:01 PM

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Licensing other people's work? Sounds brilliant!

chilly pebble Dec 5, 2018, 11:02 PM

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They actually did try to license it! 😂

queen wing Dec 5, 2018, 11:02 PM

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thanks @heady stump

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i will get on it asap

heady stump Dec 5, 2018, 11:02 PM

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:+1:

paper prawn Dec 5, 2018, 11:03 PM

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Da fuq... they allow others to upload as long as they honor their license... There's some balls right there: ```License
All of the mods we upload whether we made them or not, are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivativs 3.0 Unported License.
Link to the license - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/
Below are the guidelines you have to follow:

You are free to:

USE — use on your own server or in singleplayer
The licensor cannot revoke these freedoms as long as you follow the license terms.

Under the following terms:

Attribution — You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the license, and indicate if changes were made. You may do so in any reasonable manner, but not in any way that suggests the licensor endorses you or your use.
NonCommercial — You may not use the material for commercial purposes.
NoDerivatives — If you remix, transform, or build upon the material, you may not distribute the modified material.
No additional restrictions — You may not apply legal terms or technological measures that legally restrict others from doing anything the license permits.```

chilly pebble Dec 5, 2018, 11:04 PM

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Even the licensing is copypasted.

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Gotdam.

heady stump Dec 5, 2018, 11:05 PM

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The hypocracy is real.

brisk ember Dec 5, 2018, 11:15 PM

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oh my god his guy's entire SW history is stolen shit.

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@fossil basalt if I'm supposed to report this to you, all his stuff is stolen: https://steamcommunity.com/id/igsapex/myworkshopfiles/?appid=107410&p=1

fossil basalt Dec 5, 2018, 11:17 PM

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Is it the same as above? Mr. 2 pages worth?

brisk ember Dec 5, 2018, 11:18 PM

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I guess?

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I mean, it is two pages...

fossil basalt Dec 5, 2018, 11:20 PM

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Do me a favour and don't post in his comments section. It will interfere with whats about to go down. This is directed to everyone.

brisk ember Dec 5, 2018, 11:20 PM

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Alright should I delete any comments made?

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Nvm already done

paper prawn Dec 5, 2018, 11:23 PM

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No @brisk ember Think @fossil basalt is talking about the one Avery first posted

brisk ember Dec 5, 2018, 11:25 PM

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ehhhhh

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OK 😛

fossil basalt Dec 5, 2018, 11:52 PM

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I'm referring to IGS APEX

viscid prairie Dec 6, 2018, 3:52 AM

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Anyone know this RedTheDev guy. He's selling cars from Forza for $800 has a website too

sharp musk Dec 6, 2018, 3:52 AM

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1k for some lol

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Even admits there from gta and such

minor herald Dec 6, 2018, 4:31 AM

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Yeah he's been doing it for year(s?)

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Actually bought some models

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but most are from Forza/Gta

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Someone I knew from a community he tried starting claimed he's made over $30k, can't confirm that though

sharp musk Dec 6, 2018, 4:38 AM

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He has i know his or scripter

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Old

minor herald Dec 6, 2018, 4:41 AM

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Aren't you the same Hunt3r who bought his old communities domain and tried launching a new life server with questionable content as well?

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redroleplay.com???

paper prawn Dec 6, 2018, 5:05 AM

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🍿

sharp musk Dec 6, 2018, 5:19 AM

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Ye thats me

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Most of our stuff was by us

soft egret Dec 6, 2018, 7:49 AM

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@viscid prairie if you can proove he's selling arma stuff. Send me proof via PM. Screenshots would be good. And links.

soft egret Dec 6, 2018, 8:19 AM

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Wow that guy launched half a dozen life servers this year. Which all went to shit withing a couple months

fossil basalt Dec 6, 2018, 11:21 AM

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@sharp musk you do realise that you can’t own rights to something that someone else stole and sold to you right? That also means you can’t use them in your community.

delicate ember Dec 6, 2018, 12:35 PM

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Hey what is in license for dayz with "cant be ported to arma 3" what does it mean? I cant just edit files?

soft egret Dec 6, 2018, 12:36 PM

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you cannot use any of the content for arma

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So you cannot make a arma mod with these files

delicate ember Dec 6, 2018, 12:36 PM

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Damn

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Im asking because copy pastes pbo works fine and it was quite unclear

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Any reason specyfic reason behind this?

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Also noticed apex uses dayz weapons

dull moon Dec 6, 2018, 12:44 PM

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Any reason specyfic reason behind this?
company decision. even if it is technically possible to "transfer" pbo's cross game, BI just doesn't want it (for now, might change in the future - see ToH content in arma)

delicate ember Dec 6, 2018, 12:45 PM

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Okay got this

stoic beacon Dec 6, 2018, 2:03 PM

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Pretty sure I read somewhere that they are working on this.

delicate ember Dec 6, 2018, 4:33 PM

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@stoic beacon on what?

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and who

soft egret Dec 6, 2018, 4:50 PM

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people are hoping that BI will change their licenses now

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Haven't heard anything official about it

delicate ember Dec 6, 2018, 5:02 PM

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me too, they don't need to do much work, you can port almost everything from Dayz to Arma 3 in less than 2 minutes per model. I think it's about marketing. Like why would you buy dayz which is bugged not so editable like Arma 3 + in Arma you have acces to this same equipment. Maybe they could release it as DLC? Like Dayz content pack?

fervent needle Dec 6, 2018, 5:08 PM

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I would rather not allow any dayz to a3 or the opposite but instead open up the a2 pbos and content to be ported to dayz

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Too new to allow either games to go back and forth

hallow lark Dec 6, 2018, 5:34 PM

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It's an issue with rights on the assets. Even though it's all within the same company, the licensing on the assets were for the game they were created for. Or in the case of the A2 assets, A2 and the added A3. It's no small task to update the licensing on all a games art assets to then be allowed to be used in another game.

wooden ingot Dec 6, 2018, 7:11 PM

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you can port almost everything from Dayz to Arma 3 in less than 2 minutes per model multiply it by at least 100 😉

soft egret Dec 6, 2018, 7:12 PM

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100 models in less than 2 minutes? 😮

wooden ingot Dec 6, 2018, 7:13 PM

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hahaha

paper prawn Dec 6, 2018, 7:13 PM

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😛

minor herald Dec 6, 2018, 7:26 PM

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@soft egret I can also get you someone who bought from him, with proof. I'll reach out to him if needed

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 7:43 AM

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Makes me wonder how you can know that @solemn coyote

sharp musk Dec 7, 2018, 7:49 AM

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thonk

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 8:30 AM

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SO @viscid prairie @minor herald where is the proof? Didn't get any yet

manic narwhal Dec 7, 2018, 12:51 PM

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Their was this last year https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/210159-asking-money-for-pbos/

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 5:43 PM

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@fervent moon his kellys island upload contains files from 9 other modders

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Most of that is not his. He cannot reupload that

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He has 0 rights on that stuff

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And saying "No I certainly have permission" doesn't change the fact that he's lying about it

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Oh sorry. 11 modders. Overlooked two

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Also kellys island was made by a guy called "Andino Mitrell"
How can Cole Slaughter give someone permission over the content that Andino Mitrell and a dozen other people have made?

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He can't.

fervent moon Dec 7, 2018, 5:46 PM

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he says he has the open source files

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 5:46 PM

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No he doesn't

fervent moon Dec 7, 2018, 5:46 PM

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He does

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he screenshared the files

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 5:46 PM

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I have direct contact to two authors who'se mods he illegally reuploaded.

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no he doesn't

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He might have the source files for the kellys island terrain

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but not the other mods that are in there

fervent moon Dec 7, 2018, 5:47 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/518177601638891551/520657557350514726/Screenshot_44.png

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 5:47 PM

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I can read steam comments.. What's that supposed to tell me?

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@raw torrent He had 8 modpacks with illegally reuploaded mods on his steam workshop yesterday.

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That's what he got banned for

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Now just two are left and he removed the rest

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You want an example of what mod?

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SFP Objects
-> http://sfp.anrop.se/license/
-> "You are NOT allowed to:" "Redistribute any parts of these packages by themselves, or as part of another distribution, to the Steam Workshop, your website, GoogleDrive, Dropbox or any similar services or channels without explicit written permission."

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that's one of them

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and it has a VERY clear license that VERY clearly states that you are NOT allowed to reupload that

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Wow. Internet fail and my messages got deleted 😄

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He cannot reupload anything that neither he or cole have authored

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which is like 90% of his kellys island upload

fervent moon Dec 7, 2018, 5:58 PM

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👆🏻

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 5:59 PM

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http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=30928
http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=30875
http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=26898
http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=26806
http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=14828
http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=29678
http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=27437
http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=28507

Here are a couple more mods that he reuploaded in there although he has 0 rights on them

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@fossil basalt IGS Apex's friends are asking for him to be unbanned because he removed all the reuploads

fossil basalt Dec 7, 2018, 6:02 PM

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He can PM me on the Forum

fervent moon Dec 7, 2018, 6:02 PM

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do you have the forum link ?

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 6:02 PM

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https://forums.bohemia.net/profile/744330-fallujahmedic-fm/

fervent moon Dec 7, 2018, 6:03 PM

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Hes saying hes currently restricted from posting content hence why he cant pm him..

brisk ember Dec 7, 2018, 6:14 PM

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Wow... it's like "I stole every single piece of furniture from your house and letting other people use it. But now that I got caught, I'll only stop letting the public use it. We best friends now again?". Come on... your "friend" stole assets 8 different mods. You can't do that stuff "on accident". You know what you are doing at that point.

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 6:15 PM

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8 mods just in that single workshop item

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The other one contained the whole modpack of a spanish life server. And yesterday there were another 8 modpacks full of stolen stuff

brisk ember Dec 7, 2018, 6:15 PM

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8 mods in 8 different uploads or one upload. It doesn't make a difference

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theft is theft

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imo he can stay banned for the rest of his life. Maybe he regrets it, maybe he doesn't but it'll be a very good lesson for him.

fervent moon Dec 7, 2018, 6:16 PM

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http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=29678
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 6:17 PM

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Now you are trying to be smart by citing a license?

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Then read this:

brisk ember Dec 7, 2018, 6:17 PM

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except that it already exists, hence you are not allowed to even upload it to SW: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=539126468

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 6:17 PM

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https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/english/#6

fervent moon Dec 7, 2018, 6:17 PM

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No reason to go at me here bud , i'm just forwarding messages

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 6:17 PM

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In particular, with respect to Workshop Contributions, you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors).

brisk ember Dec 7, 2018, 6:18 PM

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You're only further digging your friend's grave...

fervent moon Dec 7, 2018, 6:18 PM

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Well hes telling me to , so i'm not doing shit

brisk ember Dec 7, 2018, 6:18 PM

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figuratively, not literally

fervent moon Dec 7, 2018, 6:18 PM

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Thank you very much

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 6:18 PM

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You might wanna stop forwarding his messages if you don't want to dig your own grave too

fervent moon Dec 7, 2018, 6:18 PM

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Just doing what hes telling me to do

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 6:18 PM

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FM already said what he's supposed to do

brisk ember Dec 7, 2018, 6:19 PM

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Is he your boss of something?

fervent moon Dec 7, 2018, 6:19 PM

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I don't have anything to do with this , i gave you the chance to personally talk to him without me , which you refused

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 6:19 PM

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I have no reason to talk to him

brisk ember Dec 7, 2018, 6:19 PM

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Why would we need to? It's absolutely clear he's been stealing mods from others

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 6:20 PM

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FM is the moderator here. And he told you what to do

brisk ember Dec 7, 2018, 6:20 PM

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there are 8 accounts of theft up there

fervent moon Dec 7, 2018, 6:20 PM

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Well i gave a reply , hes unable to message him

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I dont

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he has

brisk ember Dec 7, 2018, 6:20 PM

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I know, you wasn't only directed at you personally

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I'll rephrase it for you

fervent moon Dec 7, 2018, 6:21 PM

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Please do

brisk ember Dec 7, 2018, 6:21 PM

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already done, look at the edit.

fervent moon Dec 7, 2018, 6:22 PM

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Well , i'm just saying , talk to him , point him on his wrong and he'll fix it

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no need for me to be inbetween this crap

brisk ember Dec 7, 2018, 6:23 PM

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Nah, he can stay where he is now. He steals, he gets banned. Pointing things out works if it's just one account. With 8 accounts of theft I'm sure he knows exactly what he was doing.

fervent moon Dec 7, 2018, 6:23 PM

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Just in , he made a new account and is now talking to FM

fossil basalt Dec 7, 2018, 6:42 PM

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In violation of the forum rules.

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Additionally, when you are caught red handed and want a reprieve, its advisable that his entire conversation NOT consist of "So whats up". @fervent moon

fervent moon Dec 7, 2018, 6:45 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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I just told him to message you

sharp musk Dec 7, 2018, 6:45 PM

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🍿

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 6:45 PM

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Some things are just not supposed to be I guess

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@raw torrent you don't have to ask to ask

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It would be illegal..

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sooo

sharp musk Dec 7, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Just don’t put it on steam

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😂

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So can I report mod packs that are on the steam work shop

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Cause if so we’ll be here all night

bronze oasis Dec 7, 2018, 6:48 PM

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Illegal modpack, yeah.

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 6:48 PM

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what?

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Yeah.. Peoplo who illegally reupload stuff are fucking themselves

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we don't have anything to do with it

bronze oasis Dec 7, 2018, 6:48 PM

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The steam rules are pretty clear, if you haven't made the thing yourself, then don't upload it.

sharp musk Dec 7, 2018, 6:48 PM

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Just use ur own content

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Easy as

bronze oasis Dec 7, 2018, 6:48 PM

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Collections exist, make use of them.

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 6:49 PM

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"So if I steal that guys license plate, and drive around with it, will you report me to the police?"
Yes.. Yes we will.

fossil basalt Dec 7, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Goodbye Ayrton

sharp musk Dec 7, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Kinda extreme case but that is the gist of it

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 6:50 PM

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I'm well known for my splendid metaphors

sharp musk Dec 7, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Haha

fossil basalt Dec 7, 2018, 6:51 PM

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🔨 for the troll

sharp musk Dec 7, 2018, 6:51 PM

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I honestly think he was confused

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 6:51 PM

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Kinda weird. How you poke a guy who illegally reuploads stuff, or monetizes stuff, and suddenly his "friends" arrive

fossil basalt Dec 7, 2018, 6:51 PM

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Then he failed the intelligence test

sharp musk Dec 7, 2018, 6:51 PM

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But yea I get it if u don’t make the stuff don’t post it

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Simple as

brisk ember Dec 7, 2018, 7:11 PM

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just imagine how clean the workshop would be if people that got caught were banned and their stuff deleted...\

prisma scaffold Dec 7, 2018, 7:13 PM

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Wont ever happen, unless money actually gets involved.

brisk ember Dec 7, 2018, 7:24 PM

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I know, but imagine

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World peace would be achieved

prisma scaffold Dec 7, 2018, 7:33 PM

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meh, it's kids. How many people here can say they haven't pirated music, found a loophole in a agreement, ect. I'll never agree steam bans are the way to go for something as minor as a re-upload. I always felt that having BI host some sort of authentication server that links original server keys with the original mod would solve almost all of this.

shy beacon Dec 7, 2018, 8:42 PM

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I agree with what your saying Sabre one but what if I used an analogy. Like the first time a kid touches a hot stove the burn they get makes them realize hey I shouldn't touch the hot stove. This makes them realize that hot things can burn them and in the future they no longer act carelessly around hot surfaces. But if we apply the first part of "no ban" to this analogy we get somebody touching the hot stove and nothing happening the kid never learns and eventually will end up burning them self severely. If we then apply the second part of your comment "BI should implement it own system" then we get the same analogy except now the kid has his parent watching everything hot constantly and now the parent has to devoted so much time to watching the kid/hot surfaces that it no longer has enough time to do other things. With that the kid also never realizes what the problem actually is and will just try to touch the stove in crazier ways.

river spear Dec 7, 2018, 9:02 PM

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@brisk ember only max 15% of all files in the Arma workshop are unique

prisma scaffold Dec 7, 2018, 9:03 PM

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Re-uploading is only a escalated issue when both parties make it as such. Rather it's the modder filing DMCA's every day, or the re-uploader finding ways to circumvent the rules. There is dozens of gaming communities that don't have this issue and been around a lot longer on the workshop then A3 has. But if we want to use analogies look at the music industry, remember when they tried to just start picking out random people to bring to court in hopes of scaring everybody into line for pirating music?

To me this is a concern specific for the Arma 3 community. With the main issue is the manual effort it has been to enforce their IPs. Auto-bans will never be the answer as we would literally have no one to play this game besides the modders and the very small fraction that is the milsim community.

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 9:05 PM

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literally have no one to play this game You mean the same "no one" as before we got the workshop for arma?

prisma scaffold Dec 7, 2018, 9:06 PM

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Yes, because it's now the norm.

river spear Dec 7, 2018, 9:07 PM

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Only a small percentage of players upload to the workshop and a fraction of that do IP violations on a daily basis

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(uploads now being restricted to mods, not missions)

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I don't think the Arma community would miss out on much by punishing these

prisma scaffold Dec 7, 2018, 9:08 PM

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Which I agree, but for every person you hang, there was a dozen of people enjoying there server without any idea of what is going on the scenes.

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All they know is their server got shutdown, and whatever speel that host said. Which means 12 less A3 players as the ymove on.

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 9:09 PM

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Not like there are enough other servers around that they can switch over

hallow lark Dec 7, 2018, 9:09 PM

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I've never stopped playing a game because the server I had been on was no longer there.

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 9:09 PM

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like it literally happens every week when the next greatest life server shuts down because the dev's found out it's more work than they expected and that they can't just keep doing everything illegally

river spear Dec 7, 2018, 9:10 PM

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Maybe I'm missing out on something now, but if the workshop had perfectly working versioning support, would there be any reason to re-upload things that are already on the workshop?

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 9:10 PM

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If your super market closes. You don't just stop buying food you know

prisma scaffold Dec 7, 2018, 9:10 PM

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Anybody know the exact date we went live on workshop?

paper prawn Dec 7, 2018, 9:12 PM

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The only case not covered if versioning were there would be ACE @river spear

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 9:13 PM

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Workshop for Missions 15th august 2013
workshop for mods 15th July 2014

paper prawn Dec 7, 2018, 9:13 PM

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And ACE's current policy is not to DCMA unless you try to pretend that your version is the official ACE mod

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 9:14 PM

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you mean ace because of the optionals? They can put optionals in seperate workshop items

river spear Dec 7, 2018, 9:14 PM

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I mean I can't think of a reason to re-upload if it had versioning really

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Then everyone could make collections with specific versions of mods without having to worry about an update making the server incompatible

paper prawn Dec 7, 2018, 9:15 PM

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No. You cannotbfor example has ace_medical with Exile. You cannot use vanilla ace_interactions with Epoch or Exile. PBOs have to be removed or modded

carmine folio Dec 7, 2018, 9:15 PM

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ACE is modular. Only reason I see anyone uploading it. Unless their group wants to look "cool" with custom pics in their mods.

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 9:16 PM

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maybe epoch/exile should fix their broken code, instead of trying to rip ace apart? 😄
That's a very different issue

paper prawn Dec 7, 2018, 9:18 PM

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Anyway ACE is an old issue that we all know about. Lets not distract from the other issues. Was just answering Optix's question

prisma scaffold Dec 7, 2018, 9:18 PM

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I can't get all the metrics. But I bet #350 you could make a good argument that A3s popularity was very much increased by being more accusable on workshop.

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 9:18 PM

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But personally that can be solved by asking for permission and solving it behind the curtains

paper prawn Dec 7, 2018, 9:18 PM

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Which I did ;)

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As you know

prisma scaffold Dec 7, 2018, 9:20 PM

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As for @river spear The original reasoning, mainly on other gaming communities was mod abandonment (fixes), and or reducing your mod listing requirements.

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Rather those reasons are justified and such is up to people. That is just the reasons I heard of.

paper prawn Dec 7, 2018, 9:21 PM

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I prefered the days of ArmaSync personally (seriously)

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It is a huge pain when your players cannot connect because a mod updated while you were at work for example. But thats no reason to reupload mods to steam at all

prisma scaffold Dec 7, 2018, 9:25 PM

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There really shouldn't be, but people have a reason if they are doing it.

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Rather it's logical or not.

paper prawn Dec 7, 2018, 9:25 PM

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One change Steam could make is to ask before updating a mod. Would be a huge improvement.

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 9:26 PM

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The reason most people have is that it's comfortable

paper prawn Dec 7, 2018, 9:26 PM

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E.g. I could tell my players that ill update a mod at a certain time and they would have the ability to continue playing by saying no not now.

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I more think laziness on Steam's part @soft egret

prisma scaffold Dec 7, 2018, 9:28 PM

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That is why I like my BI Key authentication server idea.

paper prawn Dec 7, 2018, 9:28 PM

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It would at least remove the most common excuse that people use for reuploads in one fell swoop

prisma scaffold Dec 7, 2018, 9:29 PM

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Basically if you have a re-upload that doesn't match the orgin key on the BI server, it makes it so the server won't function. Bypasses poking Valve, teaches people to use the source mods, ect.

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I'm not a network person, so I don't know if it would work, but I'm sure for security reasons either BI or Battleye have some way to match key to key.

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You also wouldn't have to care about re-uploads. As they couldn't be used in a dedicated environment. Even if they exist on the shop.

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 9:33 PM

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you could integrate the workshop item ID into the bisign. Arma can check that then. Nothing preventing people from resigning.
You can integrate the workshop ID into the pbos or configs, Nothing preventing people from repacking.

prisma scaffold Dec 7, 2018, 9:45 PM

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Integrate the pbo crawler to check pbos on top of keys?

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 9:45 PM

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Nothing preventing people from repacking.
Though it get's more cumbersome for each level

prisma scaffold Dec 7, 2018, 9:46 PM

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Yea, it would never be perfect

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But the goal is to reduce manual enforcement yea?

soft egret Dec 7, 2018, 9:47 PM

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But honestly.. BI doesn't seem to want to help anyway

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Just a warning popup in publisher would already do alot, compared to how it is now

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So trying to get BI to help is pure utopia

chilly pebble Dec 7, 2018, 10:00 PM

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I dare imagine that Valve doesn't care that much either.

vale steeple Dec 7, 2018, 10:16 PM

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Valve is very much bottom line oriented. If it doesn't line up with keeping the people/projects/companies that bring in the most money to valve happy, they don't care too much.

chilly pebble Dec 7, 2018, 10:21 PM

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Figured just as much.

fossil basalt Dec 8, 2018, 12:02 AM

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Please don't attempt to justify IP theft by how much Valve or BI care.

vale steeple Dec 8, 2018, 12:57 AM

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I support unilateral bans for IP theft. Sends a strong message to people.

chilly pebble Dec 8, 2018, 1:23 PM

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I'm not justifying ip theft.

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If anything, I'm embarrassed that on their end nothing much is really happening aside from a few token acts

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Unilateral bans are the best message we can give

frail flint Dec 8, 2018, 6:53 PM

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Scorched earth is my favourite policy

dusk dew Dec 9, 2018, 2:51 PM

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#arma3_troubleshooting https://i.gyazo.com/6ce77fd024596229dc6801027e848253.png

soft egret Dec 9, 2018, 2:55 PM

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@tacit vortex where did you buy them?

brisk ember Dec 9, 2018, 3:00 PM

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and why

midnight crystal Dec 9, 2018, 3:18 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1585311011&searchtext= ?

soft egret Dec 9, 2018, 3:28 PM

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@hasty scaffold ^ upload of your terrain

mint edge Dec 9, 2018, 4:18 PM

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check the description btw

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lol

soft egret Dec 9, 2018, 4:30 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198047967531/myworkshopfiles/ oh boi

faint nacelle Dec 9, 2018, 6:07 PM

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oh dear xO

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@hasty scaffold

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check the link above

royal charm Dec 9, 2018, 7:24 PM

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Can anyone confirm or deny if this is actually stolen? I know @soft egret and @fossil basalt said alot of his stuff is ripped. Jonzie gave me permission to create a military variant of this a couple years ago (and I did), but I don't want to post the military variant on SW if the original is ripped o.O

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=559483781

minor herald Dec 9, 2018, 7:42 PM

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Yes

soft egret Dec 9, 2018, 7:42 PM

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said alot of his stuff is ripped Yeah.
Example https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1310405285 Ripped from forza: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rybA54yMPmc
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1310376015 also ripped from forza https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZCjVrq_4os
Very nice to see on the dials (is that the right word) on the middle console, they don't move in game, and for some magic reason Jonzie's ones are in the EXACT same positions as the ones ingame.

So the question whether he rips or not doesn't really need to be asked, I picked the first two mods from his workshop and it's very easy to show where he ripped them from

minor herald Dec 9, 2018, 7:43 PM

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Stolen from Driver San francisco

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBS1Ktwwf2g

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Probably found it on the gamemodels website

soft egret Dec 9, 2018, 7:43 PM

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Ah thanks. I searched for that ambulance car in GTA but couldn't find it. That explains it

minor herald Dec 9, 2018, 7:44 PM

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Yeah and if you ever see a crown vic that has a crappy back seat(I think the A3L one) it's also from driver san francisco

soft egret Dec 9, 2018, 7:46 PM

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Yeah. He edited the outside of the ambulance quite a bit. But the switches in the middle of the console are in the same positions as they are in the game from the youtube video you sent

rapid wagon Dec 9, 2018, 8:24 PM

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There's like 3 more uploaders (who all know each other) who rip from Forza

royal charm Dec 9, 2018, 8:31 PM

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well, rip

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We've been using our modified version for two years - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUeqiqTVoAAPByg.jpg:large

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Guess Imma remove it then. That's annoying lmao

fervent needle Dec 10, 2018, 7:11 AM

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@heady frigate is this legit: https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/36291 ?

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Looks like it was authorized by you as it has patreon links etc but never know

prisma scaffold Dec 10, 2018, 7:17 AM

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You can always use the Laws of War one Hawkins 😃

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Believe there is even a photoshop template either from BI or unoffical for the van as well.

stoic beacon Dec 10, 2018, 8:07 AM

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Yea it's legit. Pretty sure I've seen that on his Twitter.

brisk ember Dec 10, 2018, 9:03 AM

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@alpine oasis why is there a ton of uploads here, of which ~6-7 are without the author's permission https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1559325980 ? Even Enhanced Movement without any sort of permission?

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No permission for ILBE either? Or the SMA-RHS compat?

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Also, EM doesn't have an Share-Alike license... That's only if you get permission from him to edit the contents ```modification of the contents of this addon requires the author's (that would be me) permission. should permission be granted the content and derivatives of it are under the APL-SA license.

low pebble Dec 10, 2018, 9:14 AM

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Damn..

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Ban in.. 8.7.6.5.4.2.1.

fossil basalt Dec 10, 2018, 9:58 AM

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@alpine oasis
Just a warning filing a false DMCA claim is illegal.
Just a warning, you will be banned from here and the Forum if the infringing content is not removed.

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Immediately

brisk ember Dec 10, 2018, 10:33 AM

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Looks like the ACE3, ACEX + compats are legit (per their license)

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The rest, not so much

keen trout Dec 10, 2018, 11:38 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1559427785

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https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/discussion/861133494/1750106661698497699/

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THINKING

river spear Dec 10, 2018, 12:19 PM

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You can check it out here just to make sure I didn't violate anything.

fossil basalt Dec 10, 2018, 12:55 PM

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Goodbye

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Zero tolerance for those types

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And Forum Banned as well

brisk ember Dec 10, 2018, 1:16 PM

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But his mods will still be available..?

soft egret Dec 10, 2018, 1:23 PM

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Wow SekiGamer. "Hey Lord Jarhead, can I have permission to reupload your mod" "Okey you didn't answer me for 26 hours so I've just uploaded it now, here is the link"
GG

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Oh Dahlgren linked that. Me slow.

fossil basalt Dec 10, 2018, 1:35 PM

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@brisk ember They've been reported and will be taken down in due time.

carmine folio Dec 10, 2018, 1:55 PM

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Whats the rules regarding distribute mods outside of the workshop? Like Arma3Sync, Google Drive, armaholic etc

soft egret Dec 10, 2018, 1:57 PM

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If the mods license allows you to redistribute. You can do that

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If the license doesn't specify, you can't.
If no license is specified, you can't.
If the license says no, you can't.

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Difference is that steam workshop doesn't allow reuploads regardless of what the license says.
Everywhere else (unless the platform has special rules) you go after what the license says

carmine folio Dec 10, 2018, 2:00 PM

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Ah yeah that makes sense, thank you. But how do I stop somebody uploading my mods via ArmaSync if they dont have the permission for it?

soft egret Dec 10, 2018, 2:00 PM

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DMCA the server owner/hosting company

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If it's a monetized server it's easier, just tell BI

brisk ember Dec 10, 2018, 5:27 PM

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FM is putting people on Excommunicado

weak lintel Dec 11, 2018, 5:43 AM

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Heres a upload with a few names I recongnize, but doubt they would give consent - https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1584626597&searchtext=MV22

spare osprey Dec 11, 2018, 11:40 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1587961756 has TFAR unknown what version @soft egret and others that i don't recognize

soft egret Dec 11, 2018, 11:59 AM

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Interesting.. Their web page is a "make money quick" scam site

spare osprey Dec 11, 2018, 12:01 PM

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I didn’t even notice that .

soft egret Dec 11, 2018, 12:01 PM

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Actually over the past year they had a server under that name on like... 5-6 different websites/domains

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Their current website (dessancolife.com) also has unapproved monetization

spare osprey Dec 11, 2018, 12:03 PM

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How did you find their website? Google or am I just missing the link

soft egret Dec 11, 2018, 12:03 PM

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I googled for "dessancolife" that I got from the workshop item title. It finds a couple of Arma server tracker websites. And one of them had the domain of their latest website
https://arma3-servers.net/server/162452/

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The workshop item is not in the crawler yet, so I guess I'll wait till tomorrow

river spear Dec 11, 2018, 5:26 PM

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@soft egret I can run the index now

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If you want

soft egret Dec 11, 2018, 5:28 PM

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would be good

brisk ember Dec 12, 2018, 5:23 PM

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another RP reupload: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1584546758

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bloody 12GB..\

soft egret Dec 12, 2018, 5:29 PM

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DMCA is out

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@gusty wyvern You might wanna get rid of that.

gusty wyvern Dec 13, 2018, 1:58 AM

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@soft egret DMCA is out .... it's not a problem 😉

soft egret Dec 14, 2018, 7:41 AM

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If you mean SekiGamer.. He shows absolutely 0 signs of wanting to fix his violation

fossil basalt Dec 14, 2018, 7:59 AM

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Due time typically means when BI have received enough reports (submitted through Steam) to warrant taking a full day or two to sort them. Addressing 1 or 2 random reports per day really throws off workflow rhythm.

soft egret Dec 14, 2018, 8:16 AM

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Guy asks me to renew his TFAR monetization permission that I gave him in July because he is renaming his life server.
Instead of permission, he get's back a list of 22 mods that he's running while not being allowed to monetize them.
That happens when you don't watch this life scum 24/7. You give them permission while their modpack is fine, and right after that they add all the not allowed stuff right back. I guess I should recheck the other servers that I gave permission to now...

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WOW. I go to do exactly that. LITERALLY first server I ever gave monetization permission to, the first one in my list. I scroll through half their modlist and already have 14 mods that are not allowed to be monetized

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Wait..... arma-life.com.. That's the Repentz crap. I gave them permission in July when they were ran by a different group of people.

fossil basalt Dec 14, 2018, 8:28 AM

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The lesson is don’t allow life groups to use TFAR

delicate ember Dec 14, 2018, 8:46 AM

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Lesson is don't allow life groups to exist

wild pollen Dec 14, 2018, 8:54 AM

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yea just ban them!

fossil basalt Dec 14, 2018, 9:11 AM

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To be fair, I see nothing wrong with those that wholly create their own unique content and monetise legally.
The issues arise when they steal other’s content then illegally monetise it.

soft egret Dec 14, 2018, 9:13 AM

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Just reported a life server for the 3rd time, that had permission from me.
They stole mods from one of the VERY few servers that really create their stuff on their own

fossil basalt Dec 14, 2018, 9:15 AM

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If you are keeping good records let’s see if we can’t prevent them from monetising.

soft egret Dec 14, 2018, 9:15 AM

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Just so happens that they had permission for 2 mods that have a "If you use any other mods without permission, this permission voids itself" clause. So that immediately doubled their violation count 😄

soft egret Dec 14, 2018, 10:34 AM

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They weren't violating when they got permission

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Ah. Yes yes

astral marlin Dec 14, 2018, 3:36 PM

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Please dont hate all life servers we dont all steal content

dusk dew Dec 14, 2018, 3:37 PM

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get him

astral marlin Dec 14, 2018, 3:37 PM

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lol thats how it feels some times BoGuu

dusk dew Dec 14, 2018, 3:40 PM

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I always wondered, in the old citylife store, all those vehicles etc, were they actual vehicles you could drive?

astral marlin Dec 14, 2018, 3:41 PM

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in cl 2 yes

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in cl3 due to bis rules you no donate for just skins

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and need to build the vehicle

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Always above board fella

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even have permissions to use take10 models from MS as long as we dont resell the model its self to 3rd parties or allow its use outside our community envioment

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gonna need to rethink if there is ever an arma4 though

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as its game specific

dusk dew Dec 14, 2018, 3:46 PM

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I thought the monetization rules were older than 2 years

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I just wondered was all, no worries, some of them looked awesome

astral marlin Dec 14, 2018, 3:46 PM

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where you pull 2 years from

dusk dew Dec 14, 2018, 3:47 PM

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I remember looking at your store like 2 years ago

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Or perhaps less, I don't remember anymore

astral marlin Dec 14, 2018, 3:48 PM

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then it was cl3 and its just skins and you need wheels engines metal bla bla and you build the car with the skin from the in game donation store bis approved the system as everything in our store you can obtain in the game. So there is no pay2win or paywall

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been doing cl for over 12 years now and been check rechecked and f**ked over so meany times we need to keep clean and tidy

dusk dew Dec 14, 2018, 3:50 PM

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The cock mobile was a skin 😄 ?

astral marlin Dec 14, 2018, 3:50 PM

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yer and still is

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its the batmobile with a cock skin

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anyway off topic lol

dusk dew Dec 14, 2018, 3:51 PM

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what the ~~fuck~~

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😂

soft egret Dec 14, 2018, 4:26 PM

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@astral marlin that's why I wrote They stole mods from one of the VERY few servers that really create their stuff on their own 😉 I know you don't all do that. That's why I said "very few" not "none" 😄

scarlet patrol Dec 15, 2018, 2:41 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=932255884 yo is this legit?, pretty sure I've seen all of these acc. in other mods

paper prawn Dec 15, 2018, 3:04 AM

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That is Cunico's mod uploaded on Steam... but not by Cunico. No idea whether he gave permission...

south pelican Dec 15, 2018, 5:35 AM

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Pretty sure that is Cunico, he just has a different name on Steam?

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And yeah, Cunico donated a bunch of his stuff to other mods

fossil basalt Dec 15, 2018, 7:44 AM

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The Link matches the post Cunico made on the Forum. https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/205138-hidden-identity-v3/

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Hidden Identity v3

Steam Workshop Download Link: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=932255884

 



Here are a few Pictures. These have different ...

soft egret Dec 15, 2018, 1:00 PM

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Anzus gaming has lost their monetization approval by BI over a month ago now.. And they already made $500 this month from their Store.
🤔 what is BI doing? 😄

echo orchid Dec 15, 2018, 1:01 PM

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@blazing wyvern - headsup, i never know for sure if they want permission from RHS regarding your packs, or mods or something inbetween. A lot seem to be confused by the fact that RH <> RHS

[9:39 AM] PuFu: that is out of the question, 100% against our license
[9:40 AM] Dylan - VILAYER.COM: Nothing I can do at all to be able to?
[9:40 AM] PuFu: no
[9:40 AM] Dylan - VILAYER.COM: Okay
[9:41 AM] Dylan - VILAYER.COM: Sounds also?
[9:43 AM] PuFu: nothing ever made by RHS
[9:44 AM] PuFu: OFP, A1, A2 or A3, our license clearly states non-commercial Arma exclusive```

blazing wyvern Dec 15, 2018, 1:23 PM

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they always confuse that shit 🤷

soft egret Dec 15, 2018, 1:25 PM

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Saw a Life server forum where they said they removed RHS because they changed their license (the twitter post that monetization is not allowed) and the list of removed classnames only showed rh_ stuff 😄

astral marlin Dec 15, 2018, 6:14 PM

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hey dedmen not nice lol

soft egret Dec 15, 2018, 6:17 PM

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I didn't say which life server

astral marlin Dec 15, 2018, 6:17 PM

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lol

paper prawn Dec 16, 2018, 9:15 PM

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Hmm.. so you cannot charge for mods but you can charge for server side addons? https://stokesmagee.net/store/category/2-exile/

soft egret Dec 16, 2018, 9:22 PM

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You can't charge for anything that went through any BI tools

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you can sell text files that happend to be strings

paper prawn Dec 16, 2018, 9:26 PM

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I know... was sort of what I was pointing out... is this one for infringements?

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Will let someone else report... guys got too many powerful friends in ARMA for me to get involved

faint nacelle Dec 16, 2018, 9:29 PM

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Arma Mob?

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ArMob

paper prawn Dec 16, 2018, 9:30 PM

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Yes... the one removed from the Workshop @brisk ember

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Nor me...

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But running persistent servers (A2, A3 and DayZ) I cannot afford to piss off some people

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Which I probably already did by highlighting that 😉

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DayZ Mod code afaik

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Had Optix's stuff in it for LOS anyway

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Can't remember whether it had DayZ infected models... I have config.bin definitions in a mod to reskin Ryan's with CUP skins myself which is allowed

dull moon Dec 17, 2018, 12:34 AM

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@paper prawn
oh, so you actually think it is allowed to use a random zombie thing and reskin it with our CUP skins??

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waiting for a meaningful defense speech

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c'mon... i know you're there. i see you typing and then all of a sudden stop typing

paper prawn Dec 17, 2018, 12:39 AM

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Can you hold on... Just witching over all the cables to my desktop to show you what I did... which I never thought was an issue... Hold on

dull moon Dec 17, 2018, 12:39 AM

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dude, all fine 😄

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i'm fucking with you

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😂

paper prawn Dec 17, 2018, 12:39 AM

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config,bin being the important thing

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I did not take it as that mate... 😦 So now I am going to justify myself...

dull moon Dec 17, 2018, 12:40 AM

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nah, really.
all good

narrow topaz Dec 17, 2018, 12:40 AM

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Just took a few years off of the poor guy's life. lmao

dull moon Dec 17, 2018, 12:40 AM

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😄

paper prawn Dec 17, 2018, 12:40 AM

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Otherwise... the Internet never lies and I am a bad guy... 😦

dull moon Dec 17, 2018, 12:40 AM

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i'm sorry

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apparently was more fun in my head than it was in reality 😄

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again, all fine @paper prawn
no need for justification 😉

paper prawn Dec 17, 2018, 12:47 AM

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Basically what I do is this... just examples... redefine a couple of your gunbags too to be like the old DayZ small and large gunbag... ```hpp
// Ryan Zombies redefinitions
class RyanZombieCivilian_F: CAManBase {};
class RyanZombieC_man_1: RyanZombieCivilian_F {};
class RyanZombieB_Soldier_base_F: CAManBase {};
class epochz_walker1: RyanZombieC_man_1
{
author = "Grahame";
moves = "CfgRyanZombiesMovesMaleSdrWalker";
vehicleClass = "Ryanzombieswalker";
editorSubcategory = "Ryanzombieswalker";
displayName = "EpochZ Zombie Base";
model = "\rds_a2port_cman\Villager\Villager";
hiddenSelections[] = {"Camo"};
hiddenSelectionsTextures[] = {"\rds_a2port_cman\villager\data\villager_co.paa"};
};

class epochz_pilot1: epochz_walker1
{
    author = "Grahame";
    displayName = "EpochZ Pilot";
    model = "\CUP\Creatures\People\Civil\CUP_Creatures_People_Civil_Chernarus\CUP_Civil_Pilot.p3d";
    hiddenSelectionsTextures[] = {"\CUP\Creatures\People\Civil\CUP_Creatures_People_Civil_Chernarus\data\camelpilot_co.paa"};
};

class epochz_soldier_walker: RyanZombieB_Soldier_base_F
{
    author = "Ryan";
    moves = "CfgRyanZombiesMovesMaleSdrSlow";
    vehicleClass = "Ryanzombiesslow";
    editorSubcategory = "Ryanzombiesslow";
};

class epochz_soldier_RU1: epochz_soldier_walker
{
    author = "Ryan";
    scope = 2;
    scopeCurator = 2;
    displayName = "Zombie RU Soldier 1";
    model = "\CUP\Creatures\People\Military\CUP_Creatures_People_Military_Russia\CUP_RUS_Soldier1.p3d";
    hiddenSelections[] = {"Camo"};
    hiddenSelectionsTextures[] = {"\CUP\Creatures\People\Military\CUP_Creatures_People_Military_Russia\data\flora_co.paa"};
};```Hope this is okay

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51 years old... now feel over 60... Thanks very much!

dull moon Dec 17, 2018, 12:54 AM

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that's perfectly fine, and sorry for stealing your life energy
actually not... i'm demon who lives of from others energy and fear 😄

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i'm a CUPicus

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😂

river spear Dec 17, 2018, 12:56 AM

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someone shoot him

dull moon Dec 17, 2018, 12:57 AM

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only with silver, please

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the other stuff just tickes in a funny way

languid lantern Dec 17, 2018, 5:03 AM

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Grahame - 2018-12-16 4:15 PM -05:00

Hmm.. so you cannot charge for mods but you can charge for server side addons? https://stokesmagee.net/store/category/2-exile/

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Grahame - 2018-12-16 4:26 PM -05:00

I know... was sort of what I was pointing out... is this one for infringements?
Will let someone else report... guys got too many powerful friends in ARMA for me to get involved

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Lol... as dedmen said only if BI tools were used.
TheNightstalk3r - 2018-12-16 4:29 PM -05:00

didn't StokesMagee create that Zombie addon for Exile?

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Grahame - 2018-12-16 4:30 PM -05:00

Yes... the one removed from the Workshop @TheNightstalk3r#9141

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1359610845

oblique mauve Dec 17, 2018, 9:49 AM

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"No BI tools were used in the creation of my addons. I used Notepad++ and PBO manager." - StoneMage 2018

keen trout Dec 17, 2018, 10:32 AM

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pbo manager, wow

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that was a while ago

dull moon Dec 17, 2018, 10:55 AM

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afaik even pbo manager uses BI tech

river spear Dec 17, 2018, 11:09 AM

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@dull moon btw i made the crawler a margin faster

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so you dont have to sit there and wait for a CUP scan to finish for 30 minutes

dull moon Dec 17, 2018, 11:19 AM

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🤘

keen trout Dec 17, 2018, 11:26 AM

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@dull moon CfgConvert perhaps?

dull moon Dec 17, 2018, 11:27 AM

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@keen trout
?

keen trout Dec 17, 2018, 11:27 AM

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to binarize configs

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(pbo manager)

dull moon Dec 17, 2018, 11:28 AM

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possible

languid lantern Dec 17, 2018, 11:44 AM

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One day people will realize it says StoneMage and not StokesMagee

grand oyster Dec 17, 2018, 11:59 AM

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Stonehenge** @oblique mauve

strong jasper Dec 17, 2018, 12:29 PM

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😂😂😂

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Poor Stokes 😄

oblique mauve Dec 17, 2018, 1:44 PM

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Lmao stokes is a good guy

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Selling stuff you create is fine imo, I just wouldn’t do it myself ✋🏻

hushed fox Dec 17, 2018, 1:47 PM

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All, I'm trying to see if I can use these models from 3dWareHouse: https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/user/0587146911948112449301436/Tomme123456789?nav=models

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Obviously I need to seriously rework them for materials and to reduce polygons, but that's fine

soft egret Dec 17, 2018, 1:48 PM

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No license note on there. So you need to ask the author what license he wants to use

hushed fox Dec 17, 2018, 1:48 PM

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The license (https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/tos.html#license) that content creators must grant under the TOS is straightforward. Both Google and end users have a non-exclusive, perpetual, worldwide license to use any content uploaded under the terms of the TOS. If you upload content, in other words, you are granting a perpetual, royalty-free, worldwide non-exclusive license to both Google and those who use the Google 3D warehouse.

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HOWEVER

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I don't know very well what happens in case the content owner is fraudolent

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Google is protected under the DMCA safe harbor for service providers that create access to user generated content

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But if I use it, then I can be cited as well

soft egret Dec 17, 2018, 1:50 PM

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If the owner is fraudulent, he violated the TOS of the platform. So their license also doesn't apply to the content

hushed fox Dec 17, 2018, 1:50 PM

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ha.

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translation: too risky.

soft egret Dec 17, 2018, 1:50 PM

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as the platform cannot put a license onto something they have no rights on.
The owner gives them the rights by uploading to the platform, but he cannot give them rights for something he didn't make

hushed fox Dec 17, 2018, 1:51 PM

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is there a way for me to understand where these models eventually come from? the username Tommy123456789 doesn't sound pleasantly legit.

soft egret Dec 17, 2018, 1:51 PM

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Not really. You can ask him and he'll say "I made them by myself". If he can show you WIP pictures you can be reasonably confident that they are legit

hushed fox Dec 17, 2018, 1:52 PM

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right...

soft egret Dec 17, 2018, 1:52 PM

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you can only really proove that they are not legit, by finding the source that he stole from.
Everything inbetween is always ¯_(ツ)_/¯

hushed fox Dec 17, 2018, 1:52 PM

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as usual the answer to these questions seems to be: when in doubt, create your own content or buy it elsewhere.

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although with arma it's always hard to find models because even if you buy them, you are not allowed to redistribute them in PBO since those can be opened and models obtained

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...kinda.

soft egret Dec 17, 2018, 1:54 PM

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models obtained Well that's a greyzone I'd say. Opening the models would violate the Arma EULA. So if you binarize them, they are legal-wise protected. Atleast against everyone who follows the rules

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And you can't really protect anything against people who don't care about laws

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If in doubt you can always directly contact the author and ask if he's fine with how you're using the content

hushed fox Dec 17, 2018, 1:56 PM

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indeed

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thank you

faint nacelle Dec 17, 2018, 2:26 PM

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he does give his full name in the description and his name took me to a youtube page that seems to have same content