#ip_rights_violations | ARMA | Page 35

olive sparrow May 30, 2018, 4:53 PM

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@astral marlin just got back home from being away surfing. tried to click the filelists you shared above and they're error 400. any chance to re-host?

astral marlin May 30, 2018, 5:21 PM

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/e3l126x23dqung2/DMCA.zip?dl=0

Dropbox

DMCA.zip

Shared with Dropbox

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try that its both in a zop

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zip**

mint edge May 30, 2018, 7:52 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1390419377&searchtext=zombie

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this should contain dayz mod code

hallow lark May 30, 2018, 11:45 PM

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ha. He gave you credits mike.

low pebble May 31, 2018, 1:43 AM

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Because its a re-upload of cm and optix their work

mint edge May 31, 2018, 3:38 AM

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no

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its got stolen dayz content

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hence why it went away in the first place

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lol

low pebble May 31, 2018, 1:28 PM

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Ahh

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Thought you made the models

mint edge May 31, 2018, 4:46 PM

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uhh

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those are arma 2 uniforms

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with dayz mod code

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the latter is a no

burnt oak Jun 1, 2018, 2:05 PM

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So I found someone who reuploaded my mod, normally i do not mind as it is mostly for some small private groups of friends. However this time it is a monetized A3Life server. Should i just DMCA them or try to talk to them before?

soft egret Jun 1, 2018, 2:08 PM

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Report them to BI. They are breaking the monetization license

burnt oak Jun 1, 2018, 2:11 PM

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Aight.

olive sparrow Jun 1, 2018, 2:20 PM

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And dmca it if they put it on steam

burnt oak Jun 1, 2018, 2:28 PM

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i normally use the workshop crawler, otherwise i would not have found it

astral marlin Jun 1, 2018, 2:47 PM

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Always contact them first as it shows your not an arse if they refuse your request then go down the DMCA/BIS report this way you can give them a chance to remove the content before give bis more work todo.

olive sparrow Jun 2, 2018, 10:27 AM

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Seems to me if the monetized server has no sustem in plaxe to manage permissions for content they use then they need reporting anyway 😉

fossil basalt Jun 2, 2018, 11:15 AM

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That’s a good suggestion. They ability to prove they have permission for mod use prior to monetisation.

mint edge Jun 2, 2018, 1:31 PM

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yea a lot of the servers up there have mods that don't allow monetization I believe

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not to mention they can easily add it after the fact

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if that list isn't checked by someone every now and then

olive sparrow Jun 2, 2018, 4:52 PM

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Its like how a quality, health and safety or environmental management system works in business

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Ive implemented and audited a fair few over the years

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You have to demonstrate to the auditor that you have a robust and tested system for managing conpliance

fossil basalt Jun 2, 2018, 5:33 PM

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^ and then you do surprise inspections at irregular intervals.

olive sparrow Jun 3, 2018, 12:23 PM

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BI won't want to impose such a system on its community, but if a monetizer asks any of us mod creators for permission to use our stuff, if we don't mind the monetizing, we should ask what their system is for ensuring their content is all licensed correctly.

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that would help spread the logic a bit i guess

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if they say, "we always check before using something" and then they turn up with a complaint, then you know they lied to you originally.

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i think a lot of these life servers don't even consider it much

astral marlin Jun 3, 2018, 3:46 PM

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what bis need to do is have a addon system where Mod makers can earn from there work when server admins wish to use the content online on a monetarised server and get a % of all profits.

burnt oak Jun 3, 2018, 3:49 PM

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Can be circumvented easily by just uploading the mod with others in their own pack. Hell I do not even want money. I just do not want my work on a monetized server

olive sparrow Jun 3, 2018, 11:49 PM

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so just looked a ttha tfile list you linked armatec, psisyn is using content from @blazing wyvern @sour edge bnae and various others in his monetized server

sour edge Jun 3, 2018, 11:54 PM

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I was summoned

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What's up

dull moon Jun 4, 2018, 12:07 AM

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some monetizing server from psi uses your stuff

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i guess...

sour edge Jun 4, 2018, 12:21 AM

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Will bis revoke their monetizing rights?

olive sparrow Jun 4, 2018, 12:24 AM

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they will if you complained

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ArMaTeC - Last Wednesday at 18:21
https://www.dropbox.com/s/e3l126x23dqung2/DMCA.zip?dl=0

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has the file list from the servers

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i'm seeing a lot of mm_ building pbos

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is that you ?

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definitely also has a lot of RH_ weapons pbos and i'm 100% certai nthat RH weapons are a strictly non monetizing license

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https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/approved/arma3

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about halfway down

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PsiSyn Arma 3 click "report" and let BI know you didn't give permission, quoting the files they use that are yours

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i heard through ythe grapevine that lewis had made £30k in his opening week.

sour edge Jun 4, 2018, 1:40 AM

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My stuff is tagged with jbad_. Unless they changed it

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I wouldn't even be mad if they gave me a kickback but it's the shit where they're making all the money and all the guys who actually put the time in get shit

stoic beacon Jun 4, 2018, 4:23 AM

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mm_* is from Mattaust if I remember correctly. Those are alot of Civilian Buildings, would make sense to see this on a life server.

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Just checked, it's Mattaust's Buildings. http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=29678

olive sparrow Jun 4, 2018, 9:56 AM

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ok sorry my bad !

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anyway none of our stuff in there, so that's good.

stoic beacon Jun 4, 2018, 12:13 PM

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@olive sparrow is it hosted on steam Workshop?

olive sparrow Jun 4, 2018, 12:14 PM

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not sure, wasn't me who brought it to our attention.

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i think it's mainly on repo's

stoic beacon Jun 4, 2018, 8:12 PM

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Alright

pulsar grotto Jun 5, 2018, 1:10 PM

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Hi guys! I'm part of a unit with our own mod where we have other mods that we pay with aswell as one of our own and we are lookign at adding a mod that uses GNU General Public License and neither me or the other guy working on our mod is sure if our mod would be classified as a derivative as we arent changing much in the files. here is the workshop link to our mod https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1402125823

dull moon Jun 5, 2018, 2:25 PM

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Why the F are you including mods to your “modpack“ that are already avaliable on the WS?

novel goblet Jun 5, 2018, 2:34 PM

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Steam workshop has additional requirements. When you upload to the workshop you agree that content was originally created by you. You are only the original creator of new material on the derivative work, and thus cannot meet the conditions for the original content.

safe arrow Jun 5, 2018, 2:40 PM

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Thats not totally correct @novel goblet There is still the ability to uploads others stuff, if you were given the explicit permission according to Steam Licences 6D:
In particular, with respect to Workshop Contributions, you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, **and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors**).
That also means that it isnt enough to have the permission from some of those listed mods. You need the permission from all of them (though i am not sure about the APL-SA, might work without here)

But the question stays the same: Why reupload thats stuff, when you can easily do a config etc. that adjusts those modfiles to your needs and then just make them a dependency

novel goblet Jun 5, 2018, 2:43 PM

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Yes the content was originally created by you AND you have the rights to submit on behalf of the others.

safe arrow Jun 5, 2018, 2:44 PM

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No?
(or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you...

novel goblet Jun 5, 2018, 2:45 PM

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So either you did it alone:

Workshop Contribution was originally created by you.
Or multiple people did dit:
Workshop Contribution was originally created by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors.

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The license gives the latter part, but the original work content was not created by 'you'.

snow bloom Jun 5, 2018, 2:48 PM

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🍿🍿

pulsar grotto Jun 5, 2018, 2:56 PM

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well there are some issues with the launcher when you have too many mods as a dependency and as we already had our own mod for pictures and logos that we use in mission but just call to from the mission to decrease the misiions file sizes we just added the mods that we are allowed to add so that we can have more mods on our server.

mint edge Jun 5, 2018, 3:25 PM

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lmao

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comes to ip rights to ask a question

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gets exposed for stealing mods

echo orchid Jun 5, 2018, 3:37 PM

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This is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License[creativecommons.org].```
ohh look, failed to follow license

mint edge Jun 5, 2018, 3:49 PM

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rarely if ever people ask to repack mods, idk if there scared they'll get a no or they just don't think

pulsar grotto Jun 5, 2018, 3:55 PM

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well we asked the creators of all the mods before we added any mods, but we have tried to get a hold of the creators of this mod for a while and couldnt get a hold of them so thats why I asked for you guys' opinion

mint edge Jun 5, 2018, 3:55 PM

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but I u can't cotact them

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that a no

dull moon Jun 5, 2018, 3:55 PM

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No contact, no uploadq

mint edge Jun 5, 2018, 3:56 PM

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its a no until given permission

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.<

dull moon Jun 5, 2018, 3:56 PM

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☝

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Quick maff

mint edge Jun 5, 2018, 3:56 PM

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by that logic

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I could try to contact EA and use stuff from one of their games

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until they tell me to stop

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that just sounds wrong

dull moon Jun 5, 2018, 3:57 PM

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Workshop 101: Do not upload shit that isn't yours

mint edge Jun 5, 2018, 3:57 PM

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another example

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I wanted to merge an arma 2 map with a map I'm working on

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I haven't been able to contact the author

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will I take his shit?

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no

pulsar grotto Jun 5, 2018, 3:58 PM

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alright fair enough

pallid epoch Jun 5, 2018, 3:58 PM

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you forgot to add "I didn't make this" /s

mint edge Jun 5, 2018, 3:59 PM

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Not to be a dick or anything

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but it happens every week

pallid epoch Jun 5, 2018, 3:59 PM

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every week? every day

mint edge Jun 5, 2018, 3:59 PM

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every week that someone comes to discord here

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xd

pallid epoch Jun 5, 2018, 3:59 PM

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and when confronted they always bring up bullshit arguments

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like "it's not monetized"

echo orchid Jun 5, 2018, 4:01 PM

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https://static3.fjcdn.com/comments/Blank+_566a8be0b2d6d89cb01ef61bc109ab9e.jpg

snow bloom Jun 5, 2018, 4:01 PM

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🍿

mint edge Jun 5, 2018, 4:01 PM

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^ everytime

olive sparrow Jun 5, 2018, 5:49 PM

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and lordjarhead certainly is around, he probably just decided not to reply, as he gets a million enquiries like this a day

little crown Jun 6, 2018, 5:42 PM

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The discussion in General just now, where TKoH was specifically mentioned triggered me to recall seeing a mod in the Workshop the other day which "ported static ships from TKoH" ... legal or not? I'm not really familiar with the TKoH asset licencing

soft egret Jun 6, 2018, 5:42 PM

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Only if accepted by BI

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Afaik generally the license doesn't allow it

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but for example CUP is also porting some stuff from TKoH

little crown Jun 6, 2018, 5:44 PM

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yeah, since I don't know what permissions were sort or given, I'll let BI police their own content

grand oyster Jun 6, 2018, 5:52 PM

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I believe the TKOH content is APL-SA or a similar variation allowing it in Arma, the license is easy to find although I don't know if it specifies the ships

echo orchid Jun 6, 2018, 5:54 PM

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@little crown we asked BI directly when we went on and unbinned the MI24s from TKOH - the reply we had was yes - it is allowed

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you can always send an e-mail to legal at bistudio dot com (net should be working as well i assume) and check it out

hallow lark Jun 6, 2018, 6:17 PM

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Directly from the TKOH data pack description.

Please note that TKOH data are licensed for creating derivatives for both the Take On Helicopters and Arma games.```

dull moon Jun 6, 2018, 6:35 PM

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We have permission to debinarize and port Tohk

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Permission was given via direct contact, same was as for RHS

little crown Jun 6, 2018, 7:42 PM

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Ooh, just not porting the assets but derivatives. Now that's interesting because the quality of the textures on the container ships wasn't high and doesn't match the containers on Tanoa etc However with some work they could be useful for set dressing the ports

dull moon Jun 6, 2018, 8:29 PM

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All assets in tohk is optimizes for flying. Nice from far, but far from nice. All textures look like s*it When up close

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Also the ambience model detail like the ships and buildings. That's like LOD level over 9000 😉

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Not in a good way

errant drum Jun 9, 2018, 3:40 AM

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@wild pollen

whole relic Jun 9, 2018, 3:41 AM

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@wild pollen

dull moon Jun 9, 2018, 5:47 AM

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🤔

fervent needle Jun 9, 2018, 11:45 AM

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He got got yo

dull moon Jun 9, 2018, 11:49 AM

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🤔

fervent needle Jun 9, 2018, 11:58 AM

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🤫

echo orchid Jun 9, 2018, 9:35 PM

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@astral marlin - i have a facebook message concerning cityliferpg.com use of RHS content on monetized servers.
We have never given anyone but KOTH (that permission is removed at this moment) permission to use RHS on any sort of monetized content. Can you please clarify what the guy mean by
We are ready to remove your weapon packs if you decide not to give us the permission we are asking for but do hope that you consider this request.
when you were suppose to ask first then, if such written permission is given, use such content?

edit: we will take all the necesary legal measures to protect our EULA and IP rights

astral marlin Jun 10, 2018, 3:33 AM

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@echo orchid it was back in the A2 days before there was monetized servers. This is why we asked you for permission again and as you said no its getting removed now. We respect content creators unlike other community out there

echo orchid Jun 10, 2018, 9:07 AM

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@astral marlin fair enough, weird phrasing on this bloke's part then

astral marlin Jun 10, 2018, 9:11 AM

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Na he is German so English is not his strong point, we always try our best to seek permissions for any content we do not create our self

echo orchid Jun 10, 2018, 2:55 PM

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https://www.battlemetrics.com/servers/arma3/2341198

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monetized server ^^

strong jasper Jun 10, 2018, 6:34 PM

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EXP at it again 😂

dull moon Jun 10, 2018, 6:38 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

lone yacht Jun 11, 2018, 3:58 AM

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does anyone know what the dealio is with this mod http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=32379#comments
its firewill helos ripped out of ROK armed forces mod, though seems the "Author" isnt correct. just wanna confirm

languid fog Jun 11, 2018, 4:06 AM

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@lone yacht I'll just ask Firewill himself haha

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Yea nah he uploaded it himself, forgot the F

lone yacht Jun 11, 2018, 4:09 AM

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awesome, cheers

carmine folio Jun 12, 2018, 4:05 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1408245756

Ivory,
RH stuff,
TRYK,
Trixie,
and more

faint nacelle Jun 12, 2018, 4:55 PM

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@carmine folio what have you done

carmine folio Jun 12, 2018, 4:57 PM

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?

faint nacelle Jun 12, 2018, 5:02 PM

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I assumed youre the same guy responsible for the above upload thats all

carmine folio Jun 12, 2018, 5:02 PM

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The ivory vehicles im using aren't on the steamworkshop and the creator of them doesn't mind people uploading them on steamworkshop, the tryk is an old version, trixie isn't on steamworkshop and it doesn't say anything that you cannot upload it

fossil basalt Jun 12, 2018, 5:03 PM

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You may not upload anything that you do not have the rights to upload.

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I.e. written permission from the actual author

soft egret Jun 12, 2018, 5:13 PM

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it doesn't say anything that you cannot upload it Meaning it doesn't say that you can upload it. Meaning you are not allowed to.
aren't on the steamworkshop and the creator of them doesn't mind Violating Steam subscriber agreement
the tryk is an old version Yeah and?
trixie isn't on steamworkshop It's not yours. Violating Steam subscriber agreement.
And what about the RH stuff?

mint edge Jun 12, 2018, 5:40 PM

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isnt rh basically the same as rhs stuff in terms of permissions?

carmine folio Jun 12, 2018, 5:40 PM

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Well I removed the mod pack for now

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I will try to sort it out

mint edge Jun 12, 2018, 5:41 PM

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uh I forget if rh is from roberthammer

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lol

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ask each and every mod author directly if you may upload

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if yes then 👌

tawny sentinel Jun 12, 2018, 5:44 PM

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If it doesn't say anything about that it can't be uploaded, you are to presume it shall not be redistributed that way. Otherwise content creators would have to creative a stupid long list of what you can't do with their stuff.

vale steeple Jun 14, 2018, 2:53 AM

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What part of "if it's not yours, don't upload without permission" is hard to understand?

mint edge Jun 14, 2018, 4:18 AM

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english language is hard

dull moon Jun 14, 2018, 4:29 AM

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nein!

warm urchin Jun 14, 2018, 4:31 AM

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"It's free so I can do everything I want to with it"

tawny sentinel Jun 14, 2018, 5:46 AM

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All your rights are belong to me >:) @dull moon

burnt oak Jun 14, 2018, 6:59 AM

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You know what is funny, you DMCA some reupload after they do not respond to you and then they just reupload it again in a cannibalized version and different pbo name...

fossil basalt Jun 14, 2018, 8:51 AM

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Its just as easy for us to find out

soft egret Jun 15, 2018, 7:55 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1376270117
RH, HLC kio_santa_hat Kiory?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1392475563
HLC, RH, Stolen kickass stuff.

fossil basalt Jun 15, 2018, 7:55 PM

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Just tag the relevant folks and DCMA it regarding your mods @dull moon too

dull moon Jun 15, 2018, 7:56 PM

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did this goat guy leave, or was he made leaving?

fossil basalt Jun 15, 2018, 7:56 PM

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think he left of his own accord, wasnt me this time.

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I'm off to go watch some football

soft egret Jun 15, 2018, 7:57 PM

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He left by himself just after he got the list of not allowed mods

dull moon Jun 15, 2018, 7:57 PM

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i did a quick search on ALRP and selling mods/frameworks. no luck so far

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makes my DMCA sence left eyebrow tickle and rise

soft egret Jun 15, 2018, 8:00 PM

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For reference. the guy posted that in #arma3_troubleshooting and said his team bought this modpack from ALRP

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I guess We are allowed to use the mod and reupload. Permission by Cobra ALRP That is the guys name they bought it from

dull moon Jun 15, 2018, 8:01 PM

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jep, so i went and searched for ALRP and selling stuff. nothing to find

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no link from this guy to a site to buy either

narrow topaz Jun 15, 2018, 8:02 PM

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Found the website hosting that workshop file, if it helps at all - http://a3liferp.com/index.php?/topic/25-server-mods-modpack/

tulip nexus Jun 15, 2018, 8:03 PM

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ALRP Cobra is this guy https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198180662769 used to run http://www.armaliferp.co.uk/ by the looks

dull moon Jun 15, 2018, 8:05 PM

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this rings a bell

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hold on

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he wasn'T on my radar 'till now. but this guy definitely rings a bell
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198144044046
didn't he got banned on here?

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he's within his friends list

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oh, he still is here. with 2 accounts 🤔

soft egret Jun 15, 2018, 8:10 PM

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yeah I know that name

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Repentz#0196

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My DMCA's are out

dull moon Jun 15, 2018, 8:19 PM

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Deeeeeeee EM CEE AY 🎵

soft egret Jun 15, 2018, 8:25 PM

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I wonder if he really thought we couldn't do anything if he just left the discord

heavy moon Jun 15, 2018, 8:26 PM

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all those people are friends with each other, seems like a ponzi/rip-off uneducated people type sceme

soft egret Jun 15, 2018, 8:28 PM

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weird is that the guy that got ripped of is friends with the guy that is ripping off 🤔

dull moon Jun 15, 2018, 8:31 PM

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☝

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and connected to PsiSyn as Uro mentioned

dull moon Jun 15, 2018, 8:53 PM

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so... Uro found a download link to PsiSyn Lakeside Modpack.
some of you might want to check it out:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xDQtkcdlH9GKXxezqU-S-rAM_oRQSKfm/view

mods i found that are beeing used on his moetized server:

CSA38
HLC
JBAD
MBG
RH
SFP
TFAR

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@sour edge
@proud flicker
@blazing wyvern
ect

river spear Jun 15, 2018, 8:54 PM

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oh god PepeTriggered i dont know why they never learn from their mistakes

dull moon Jun 15, 2018, 8:55 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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who's SFP again?

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and csa38?

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ah...
@keen trout

soft egret Jun 15, 2018, 8:57 PM

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The upload that was not by that guy in #arma3_troubleshooting is down. His own workshop item that contains stolen content however is still up

dull moon Jun 15, 2018, 8:57 PM

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that's fast

soft egret Jun 15, 2018, 8:57 PM

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@dull moon Better tell Dwarden instead of just taking the mods down

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That way he will loose the ability to monetize forever

tulip nexus Jun 15, 2018, 8:57 PM

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SFP is Swedish Forces Pack by @jovial ginkgo and co.

soft egret Jun 15, 2018, 8:57 PM

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instead of loosing his mods for a short time

tulip nexus Jun 15, 2018, 8:57 PM

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csa 38 is the czech WW2 mod

dull moon Jun 15, 2018, 8:58 PM

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i didn't file a notice

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no cup involved

soft egret Jun 15, 2018, 8:58 PM

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Yeah. I mean better let BI take them down completly. Instead of just their mods

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@heavy moon can you tell us how to find the path to that google drive link? So that we can really connect it to psisyn?

heavy moon Jun 15, 2018, 9:01 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR23klHQxNI

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the unlisted video publicly displayed on their forum, with the google drive link visible inside it

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if you click the lakeside download button on their forum it will redicrect you there

soft egret Jun 15, 2018, 9:02 PM

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Okey. https://psisyn.com/forums/topic/17987-lakeside-rp-download-and-release/ and the proof that they monetize https://psisyn.com/forums/store/category/1-psisyn-life-server/

heavy moon Jun 15, 2018, 9:02 PM

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https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/approved/arma3

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they are on that list as psysyn arma 3

soft egret Jun 15, 2018, 9:03 PM

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I'll get my email to BI out about TFAR. The more the better right?

heavy moon Jun 15, 2018, 9:03 PM

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yes more dmca complaints from individual authors carries more weight

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as other cannot dmca your content

soft egret Jun 15, 2018, 9:03 PM

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no not DMCA. Just monetized server report to BI

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If you DMCA their modpack they will just reupload

heavy moon Jun 15, 2018, 9:03 PM

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yeah

soft egret Jun 15, 2018, 9:04 PM

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If we get BI to revoke their monetization license they won't get it back

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Maybe we can kill their whole community now.

dull moon Jun 15, 2018, 9:04 PM

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don't think so

heavy moon Jun 15, 2018, 9:04 PM

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they have this tidbit in their website footer btw -

PsiSyn.com is a modded Arma 3 life server. This website is not affiliated or authorized by Bohemia Interactive a.s. Bohemia Interactive, ARMA, DAYZ and all associated logos and designs are trademarks or registered trademarks of Bohemia Interactive a.s.

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so which are they? monetised or throwing it in the face of BI?

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https://pastebin.com/giprAN3h

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there is complete rar file listing

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Repents has taken it upon himself to also re-sign everyones addons

soft egret Jun 15, 2018, 9:08 PM

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they also have everything on their arma3sync ftp. You can just browse it directly in browser

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my monetization violation report is out now

prisma scaffold Jun 15, 2018, 9:10 PM

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Doesn't really suprise me

heavy moon Jun 15, 2018, 9:11 PM

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there is csa content in it also

prisma scaffold Jun 15, 2018, 9:11 PM

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The guy got caught with CS:GO gambling illigally

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You would of thought he would of learned from this a long time ago.

soft egret Jun 15, 2018, 9:13 PM

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Direct connection to PsiSyn himself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7iTvhXxWeI link to the youtube video Uro linked above is in his description.

heavy moon Jun 15, 2018, 9:15 PM

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but yeah back to the original discussion it just seems like its the same people peddling the same/similar collections of mod to people and in addition to that selling those addons to them.

prisma scaffold Jun 15, 2018, 9:16 PM

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That I agree on.

heavy moon Jun 15, 2018, 9:16 PM

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aside from the community addons in there, there are quite a few that are well know ripped asset pbos in there aswell

fair rune Jun 15, 2018, 9:17 PM

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looks like a gopher

prisma scaffold Jun 15, 2018, 9:17 PM

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The thing is to, they probably pay these "devs" to set everything up

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Get the takedown, wash their hands clean, move on to the next idiot willing to pay them.

heavy moon Jun 15, 2018, 9:17 PM

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yeah i have no doubts about that either

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they are pretty much career theives

dull moon Jun 15, 2018, 9:18 PM

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hmm... sounds like a busines model
uhm... be right back 😉

heavy moon Jun 15, 2018, 9:18 PM

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#350, pay your dues 😂

dull moon Jun 15, 2018, 9:18 PM

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DREEEFIDDYYYYY

keen trout Jun 15, 2018, 9:19 PM

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🙃

soft egret Jun 15, 2018, 9:20 PM

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Just watching the video where he laughs about being copyright striked on a youtube video for showing a model on his server that he has no rights to use for.
"Ah yeah yeah, it's illegal if I use it on my server for example. But not for just showing it in a video" But that he is actually using that on his server is irrelevant :D
And then bullshit comparisons like "If you make a mod for Arma. BI owns your content" man...

heavy moon Jun 15, 2018, 9:21 PM

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yeah he is about as ignorant as they come im afraid

prisma scaffold Jun 15, 2018, 9:22 PM

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https://www.pcgamer.com/youtuber-admits-that-his-csgo-skin-betting-videos-were-rigged/

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like I said... XD

soft egret Jun 15, 2018, 9:24 PM

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"Here. Take a look at the Arma Public license " "Nahhh. I don't have time to read all this" meaning he never even read it before 😄

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This is like a cinema movie.. A comedy

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@dull moon https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1376270117 he deleted your comment

dull moon Jun 15, 2018, 9:38 PM

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Sure he did, i was expecting it

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But that's proof he read it, so he's warned

soft egret Jun 15, 2018, 9:39 PM

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Does he think that protects him? The DMCA still stands. And their group's 500 subscriber mod was taken down by themselves immediately. But definetly has to keep "his" 2 subscriber mod online ^^

soft egret Jun 15, 2018, 10:33 PM

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First people coming in of that life server asking why the mods are all gone now and the download links don't work anymore :3 I love this

pallid epoch Jun 15, 2018, 10:35 PM

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didn't I report that dude to the cup team the day he reopened his server (was looking for milsim streams)

fervent needle Jun 15, 2018, 11:15 PM

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I mean

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https://www.youtube.com/user/PsiSyndicate/search?query=NEW

New server launched once a week for the last 3 weeks

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ARMA 3: DayZ Mod — NEW Chernarus (Chernarus 2035 Map)!
ARMA 3: DayZ Mod — NEW Zombie RP Server!
ARMA 3: PsiSyn Life — NEW EPIC Life Server Launch!

Reading the books by their covers there, but that is what it looks like 😛

fossil basalt Jun 15, 2018, 11:25 PM

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@soft egret @dull moon DM me the relevant info. Case is currently being built.

soft egret Jun 15, 2018, 11:25 PM

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Already posted everything in the BI report I'll send you again yeah

fossil basalt Jun 15, 2018, 11:27 PM

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Did that go to infringements@bistudio.com?

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If so, disregard

soft egret Jun 15, 2018, 11:31 PM

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nope. Just the report button

fossil basalt Jun 16, 2018, 12:43 AM

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Needs to go to infringements@bistudio.com or it wont be actioned on.

soft egret Jun 16, 2018, 1:47 AM

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What is the report button for then? 😄

errant drum Jun 16, 2018, 1:53 AM

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Just a prank

fervent needle Jun 16, 2018, 2:03 AM

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its the feel good button @soft egret

olive sparrow Jun 16, 2018, 1:55 PM

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sheesh

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCE4WErcUIE check out his video essay on IP rights and Lifes servers from 2014 - so he was reasonably aware of the situation back then. At that time I was invited to go and talk to him about the issues with the A3L guys. They were such muppets I preferred instead to do that petition (you see it in the vid) and send a detailed report to BI cataloguing the scandal lol.

soft egret Jun 16, 2018, 2:01 PM

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And BI didn't do much since then

olive sparrow Jun 16, 2018, 2:04 PM

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well, they brought in registration of monetized servers. if you monetize and don't register they can have you taken down for infringement of their license. and if you do register, it allows for mod creators to complain about them, and they can lose their registration, so i'd say they have done everything in their power to help us, personally.

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it's not a perfect solution, but it works (mostly)

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what other games companies help their mod community like Bohemia does?

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not many

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I think BI is actually sensitive about not over regulating and also not doing nothing when their creative community cries foul

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with a small group of people back then I helped to spearhead that takedown of A3L

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they still made £102k out of it though, which sucks

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if i had more time i'd set up a non-profit company to help protect and manage creator IP, to offer sanitized and safe monetization for game-modes, and then use some of the proceeds to hammer the ne'er do wells hosting illegally.

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something that all the big mods could subscribe to, and benefit from.

languid fog Jun 16, 2018, 3:04 PM

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Psi takes me as the kind of guy who you'd meet IRL and he thinks hes way better than you haha

dull moon Jun 16, 2018, 3:10 PM

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in taking punches maybe

languid fog Jun 16, 2018, 3:17 PM

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👌🏼

mint edge Jun 16, 2018, 3:22 PM

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no need to insult just sent in your report xd

dull moon Jun 16, 2018, 3:23 PM

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👊

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sent

mint edge Jun 16, 2018, 3:23 PM

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o

soft egret Jun 16, 2018, 4:41 PM

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They uploaded their new modpack https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1413321543

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the crawler doesn't have it yet :/

bronze oasis Jun 16, 2018, 4:52 PM

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Does the huge 15gig pack by chance contain Faces of War(FoW) as well? They recently asked me, and I denied their request to include it.

narrow topaz Jun 16, 2018, 5:06 PM

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TFAR is definitely still in it Ded

fossil basalt Jun 16, 2018, 5:07 PM

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Not a bad idea @olive sparrow

olive sparrow Jun 16, 2018, 6:12 PM

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Yeah im keen to talk to the other big mod teams about it

heavy moon Jun 16, 2018, 6:16 PM

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@bronze oasis https://pastebin.com/giprAN3h there is a directory listing of the content

bronze oasis Jun 16, 2018, 6:16 PM

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Thanks!

fossil basalt Jun 16, 2018, 6:23 PM

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Right off the bat, I can tell you that there is stolen / prohibited content in there.

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Charlieco, Jonzie, KickAss, Shounka are all stolen content ripped from other games.

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Jbad and @proud flicker are going to have something to say as well.

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@sour edge

soft egret Jun 16, 2018, 6:51 PM

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Wow.. I told them I won't stop DMCA'ing unless they stop the copyright violations. They just deleted my comment

heavy moon Jun 16, 2018, 6:56 PM

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@soft egret dir listing for https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1413321543 is at https://pastebin.com/qv1FG0XL

soft egret Jun 16, 2018, 6:57 PM

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Thanks alot o7

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someotherstolencontent.txt wtf 😄

heavy moon Jun 16, 2018, 6:57 PM

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oh yeah thats just my log file 😄

soft egret Jun 16, 2018, 7:01 PM

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He added me on steam. I told him to remove TFAR and instead link it as a dependency. His answer was okay i celebrate it and link to my mod?

olive sparrow Jun 16, 2018, 7:04 PM

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So you say no rehosting but ok to monetize? Just clarifying!

soft egret Jun 16, 2018, 7:06 PM

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You mean me and TFAR?

tawny sentinel Jun 16, 2018, 7:09 PM

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At this point we can just search for ASDG rails considering how common that depreciated addon is in life packs... /half s

soft egret Jun 16, 2018, 7:09 PM

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Okey he is removing TFAR now. But it sounds like he will keep RH,HLC and kickass

tawny sentinel Jun 16, 2018, 7:11 PM

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Dedmen dealing with copyright and military operations in ARMA 3 at the same time. Lmfao.

mint edge Jun 16, 2018, 8:07 PM

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just don't communicate with them

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it's not worth your brain cells

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honestly

sour edge Jun 16, 2018, 9:07 PM

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102k and you think they would be nice enough to share🙄

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Fucking ass wipes

keen trout Jun 16, 2018, 9:44 PM

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hmm, there are some SFP stuff in there

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i wouldn't be suprised if the renamed wheelchair pbo is stolen from us as well

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we can find our model and textures for that quite often in life stuff, but they've renamed everything and changed credits in the config

soft egret Jun 16, 2018, 9:49 PM

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http://a3liferp.com/index.php?/topic/282-tfr-nyhed/ Yep. As expected. "The TFAR owner decided today that we cannot use his mod in our pack anymore" These guys just don't get it.

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RH, HLC, Kickass is still in their pack https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1413321543 https://pastebin.com/qv1FG0XL
Also as you say it JM_wheelchair Might that be it?

keen trout Jun 16, 2018, 9:51 PM

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no clue

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but there are some sfp_ files there

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so they "borrowed" those at least

soft egret Jun 16, 2018, 9:52 PM

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They bought that pack from ALRP

keen trout Jun 16, 2018, 9:53 PM

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😦

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buying other people's mods, that's just weird

astral marlin Jun 16, 2018, 10:06 PM

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What I find funny in that one repo there is 7 other life mods and in each of the 7 are my fucking animations in some way shape or form lol

soft egret Jun 16, 2018, 10:07 PM

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they are not buying the mods. They are buying the license to reupload it

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Which means because they paid for it. They don't have to care about other peoples licenses

fair rune Jun 16, 2018, 10:07 PM

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and people wonder why lifers get such a bad rap

astral marlin Jun 16, 2018, 10:10 PM

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I try my best to keep clean but everyone slips up but I always correct when it's pointed out to me and we are 80% our own and 20% 3rd party and with the mod being 15gb I feel our community is not like the others where they have 97% 3rd party and a single image pbo to rebrand

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But what I don't get is servers who steal get popularity where if you work on making it your looked at as a try hard

soft egret Jun 16, 2018, 10:11 PM

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Your server is one of the 4 monetized servers that have permission to use TFAR.
Now look at how many monetized life servers use TFAR and think about it.

fair rune Jun 16, 2018, 10:12 PM

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I feel you are some of the execeptions of the lifer communities ArmaTec.

astral marlin Jun 16, 2018, 10:13 PM

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There is a website for altis life that is selling a tfar mobile phone for like £30 that most of the servers use.

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And thank you midnight means alot

bronze oasis Jun 16, 2018, 10:29 PM

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Wait, how much are they paying for these 'rights'?

soft egret Jun 16, 2018, 10:29 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

astral marlin Jun 16, 2018, 10:32 PM

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There other funny thing is that most of there vehicles are from turbosquid and I don't think you can resell them unless you buy the extended licence for each one but hey ho

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Off to bed now nn

prisma scaffold Jun 16, 2018, 10:56 PM

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Depending on the license, you can't sell the model raw, but you can sell a project that uses the assets.

faint nacelle Jun 16, 2018, 11:18 PM

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but then again many of those models are probably ripped from other games

prisma scaffold Jun 16, 2018, 11:26 PM

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Yea, I seen that.

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I also seen the actual modelers sell them as well, like the guns from Rust.

fossil basalt Jun 16, 2018, 11:40 PM

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You forgot about all the cars ripped from Forza.

mental edge Jun 17, 2018, 1:53 AM

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I actually contacted Forza's legal department about Shounka in March. Seems like their legal hammer did it's work for now.

languid fog Jun 17, 2018, 7:57 AM

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It says somewhere in the Microsoft TOS for Forza that you're allowed to use their content for other stuff just cant sell it

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Thats what I've read anyway from their TOS

fossil basalt Jun 17, 2018, 9:28 AM

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You’ve read it wrong , many do. It’s (within the game itself).

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The reason for this is that a couple of manufacturers were licensed SPECIFICALLY for that game and NOWHERE else. That is why they cannot be used outside of Forza. This comes from my firsthand (face-to face) meeting with a certain “premium manufacturer’s” legal counsel. They will not pursue DMCA’s where money is being made on their product, they will pursue criminal charges in court.

ebon ruin Jun 17, 2018, 9:43 AM

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@burnt oak infringements@bistudio.com

pliant oar Jun 17, 2018, 10:36 AM

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still sponsored by g2a ... such 'person' leaves much confidence to be backed by shady grey market company ...

olive sparrow Jun 17, 2018, 10:56 AM

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Well by the time we get to arma 4 i will help establish a co-operative company where members are large mod teams and products owned will be mp game modes, and together we can license that to server hosts and share the profits from communities monetization.

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We can partner in game mode developers

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And so our monetized products would generate income that can go to benefitting the creators who made the content

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With some reserves put aside for a retained law firm to manage breaches

pliant oar Jun 17, 2018, 10:59 AM

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each co-operative approach is minefield in itself, all you need is someone seed poisoned IP into the pool and year later it backfire and burns everyone

olive sparrow Jun 17, 2018, 11:03 AM

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Each member would agree in contract to indemnify the co-op against claims or damages

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Part of their proceeds can go towards professional indemnity insurance

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So each member is responsible and accountable for the rights in their content

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We could assist members with templates for mod contributors to manage IP agreements at joining

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This kind of work was my bread and butter for 20’years

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Not hard to establish

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Doing things properly doesnt have to mean taking the fun out of it

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However large mods would need to clean house to monetize

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If unsung ever did it we’d ensure proceeds were shared with creators going way back and we would offer to remove or replace their content.

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Any third party unlicensed content would need to be purged

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Its possible but we wont decide to do it unless theres a compelling reason to do it

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Right now our team needs character and sound artists and hard surface modellers and we cant get enough of those creators to join

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So having an available pot of income to entice people to work on tasks might be useful

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so we're not out for making cash fro mour mod, more wanting to improve it to its fullest extent, while protecting it from the sharks in the community who would like to charge for playing it and keep the cash themselves, causing us the expense of having to hire lawyers to close them down etc.

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seems to me an ideal opportunity for a co-op venture. a group of pioneers with common values, circle the wagons, pool resources, win the day.

tawny sentinel Jun 17, 2018, 12:25 PM

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Seeing a co-operative approach towards people who make a living off others content outside their agreed use, such as PsiSyndicate in particular, I think would certainly produce a chilling effect in the "life community" in particular.

echo orchid Jun 17, 2018, 12:56 PM

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@pliant oar - can i please get this flagged - for some reason i already DMCA them 3 times already, there was no action from Steam admins whatsoever this far
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1405882318

astral marlin Jun 17, 2018, 1:00 PM

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its got a strike on it atm PuFu

echo orchid Jun 17, 2018, 1:01 PM

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yeah, i just filled my 3rd DMCA on it

tawny sentinel Jun 17, 2018, 1:01 PM

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They filed counter claims for all of them?

echo orchid Jun 17, 2018, 1:04 PM

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they can fill a counter claim all they like, i should have received a notification in my e-mail about it, and Steam needs to take action and remove shit that is obvious either way - the EULA is present on a website, the file list is also obvious, their own steam subscriber agreement is also 100% clear about this sort of things

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 1:28 PM

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@olive sparrow I like that idea, only thing I see is how will the kickback happen? From servers paying back up the chain or more of closed/inhouse hosting?

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A decent way to do it would be to be the first to the 3rd party launcher game, like a3launcher or something. As an example thats almost entirely what exilemod uses, if your server isnt there its not as popular, if it gets removed then it suffers massively in population drops. I am not saying controlling everything like that is the best way but I don’t see how you would get a pull back from communities unless you flatrated out the use of your mod to a server

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And if they didn’t pay that rate or whatever then they could be off the list, that would take a lot from BI unless there was a better way to regulate something

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I am just spitting out things, but unless you rely on BI to do the dirtywork I see no way to prune out the offenders? Just how I saw it from reading it I guess 😛

olive sparrow Jun 17, 2018, 1:43 PM

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yeah i was thinking of working with maca on a launcher, and tonic and other game mode devs for game modes, and bring it all under one cosy shared umbrella, with retained legal reps to cover all of us.

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could really work out

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it would need a group of mod makers to agree to trial the tool / launcher / process. we could commission and build it, and talk to some friendly server horsting companies to help set up that side of it

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then if someone is monetizing your mod outside of the collective, we have cash and legal reps to deal with them (as BI has often put it, the ycan go a little way to help but uiltimately we are responsible for policing our own IP)

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 1:46 PM

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@heavy moon and i had a chat about exact this matter not long ago, here's the idea:

a central verification database where the mods are registered by the creators.
the mod checks back on the database for given license (non-profit / allowed for monetization)
if a server admin is allowed to monetize the server and the mods, he has to pay a montly fee to the database host. this money will be used for running the database and the rest will be transfered to the creators (identified by case numbers, ect)
if a server is monatizing and uses mods that are not verified by the database for monetisazion, a constant watermark pops up saying smth like: "this server uses mods that are not cleared for monetization, contac't the admin"

olive sparrow Jun 17, 2018, 1:47 PM

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i did my fina lyear of biology dregree studing co-operative animal behaviour, and my first company was a workers co-op, so i have plenty of experience enabling co-operative ventures. one time i was strategic director of a consortium of 54 local-authorities

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 1:47 PM

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such a DB would be a good job for @river spear and his slaves

olive sparrow Jun 17, 2018, 1:48 PM

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so i'm totally uased to helping manage the legalities and practicalities amongst a group of diverse interests sharing common goals

pliant oar Jun 17, 2018, 1:48 PM

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done @echo orchid

olive sparrow Jun 17, 2018, 1:48 PM

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with a decent mode ldeveloped, and tested i nthe coming year (i'm fully planning on it atm) this could become the go-to launcher system for all of us to embrace, and share in the profits.

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and the old model of the wild west frontier would be history, as the railroad arrives, and proper democracy comes with it

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(just have to watch out for the carpet baggers)

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 1:50 PM

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@dull moon i like that idea but you still run into the issue of self hosting the mods, no database to check against

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Thats why if you had the launcher game and could funnel everything through it

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You could control from there

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 1:51 PM

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well, no matter where the mod is hosted, the checkback always takes place at startup

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local or server doesn't matter

drifting scaffold Jun 17, 2018, 1:51 PM

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inb4 mod piracy becomes a thing

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 1:52 PM

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But how, unless you had it built into an interface or custom server exe that they had to run

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 1:52 PM

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the checkback will be implemented inside the mod. no idea about programming, but as uro said enfusion should be in c*something and this would work out

olive sparrow Jun 17, 2018, 1:52 PM

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if there are any large mod or game mode teams out there interested to input t othe development process, please PM me and i'll set up a chat group.

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we're planning to finance the work ourselves, so it needs a bit of friendly insights, more than heavy lifting

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 1:53 PM

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@olive sparrow
why not using AMA discord? perfect fit for the topic 😉

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 1:53 PM

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Guess we need to see what enfusion can do

olive sparrow Jun 17, 2018, 1:53 PM

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is that what was the AMAR BI group?

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there were a couple of toxic people in there i'd rather avoid permanently.

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 1:54 PM

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i tagged you

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in the discord

tawny sentinel Jun 17, 2018, 1:54 PM

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🕵

olive sparrow Jun 17, 2018, 1:55 PM

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people who for whatever reason always assumed i was on some personal selfish agenda

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 1:55 PM

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you aren't?

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😄

olive sparrow Jun 17, 2018, 1:55 PM

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but look at my history, i've never once done enything out of self-interest i nthis community, not even once.

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 1:55 PM

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JK

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ups

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i didn't tag you, but uro 😄

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 1:56 PM

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Eurobeat intensifies

olive sparrow Jun 17, 2018, 1:57 PM

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i think some people just get suspicious if you have any legal knowledge lol. having worked in a major law firm, i get it a lot, everyone thinks lawyers are assholes. i guess they never had to manage a company (as you deal with legalities every day) and maybe onloy dealt wit hredundancy / custody battles / divorce and house selling

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 1:57 PM

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I still think the launcher would be the best way for control

olive sparrow Jun 17, 2018, 1:58 PM

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a lot of commercial legal work is just sorting out solid platform of relationships t owork together clearly and easily

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 1:58 PM

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or a cental checkback/verification database

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this way any launcher can be used

olive sparrow Jun 17, 2018, 1:59 PM

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well we're thinking we need some game-modes, and we've budgeted to develop those. what i was thinking to propose was t oshare those game modes wit hthe other big mod familieis in arma, and link them throug ha launcher, and nail dow nal lthe monetizing throug hthat gateway

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 1:59 PM

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But the issue is how you would you notify through any launcher

olive sparrow Jun 17, 2018, 1:59 PM

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so people get to have their mods used in cool game modes, which have ongoing support (as the developers also share in the proceeds)

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there will be some technicalities to resolve, but it could be a runner

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 2:01 PM

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a perfect way would be like adobe does it

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the technical side

olive sparrow Jun 17, 2018, 2:01 PM

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i don't mind sharing the idea because for anyone to try and make this work they need a solid reputation, and good knowledge of bringing contrasting viewpoints together, and the ability to generate those game modes, and a LOT of time to help it develop. so carpet baggers can't just run off wit hthe idea. it would only work with some big mods and game mode devs behind it

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so in other words there can only be ONE of these, and a good number of teams i.e. unsung / CUP / RHS / FOW / IFA3 / exile / wasteland / KOTH etc would need to be involved to make it worthwhile

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it's one possible solution for all this stealing and abuse going on

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i think most groups would think, "if you guys make it and it works, and we like the terms, we'll join"

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 2:04 PM

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I think once dayz introduces mods, this might be a good testbed

olive sparrow Jun 17, 2018, 2:04 PM

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so it's a "build it and they will come" thing

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Bohemia would naturally remain neutral in all this. but ultimately if the mod and hosting communities prosper, and the communty effectively self-regulates its issues, i'm sure they would be happy

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 2:06 PM

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That for sure

olive sparrow Jun 17, 2018, 2:06 PM

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a bi tof vision and trust (and some software and agreement development) is needed

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 2:07 PM

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But thb, i would't go with an external software/launcher

olive sparrow Jun 17, 2018, 2:07 PM

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we'll see what comes about, but i have some fairly well thought out plans that concern our team alone, and as we develop them, the results could benefit a lot of other groups.

hallow lark Jun 17, 2018, 2:08 PM

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@mint edge

olive sparrow Jun 17, 2018, 2:08 PM

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without a budget for law fir mrepresentation, most mod teams would struggle for example to recover damages fro msomeone who made £100,000 using their mod

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 2:09 PM

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Another thing I see as an example, is mikeros tools and macas launcher, even though they are third party a lot of people hound people in with recommendations and people turn to those tools. Its a hard balance to deal with creators/server owners then players on the other end

olive sparrow Jun 17, 2018, 2:09 PM

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whereas with a bit of a budget and a retained lawyer who is up t ospeed on these issues, the ycould freeze those assets, and subpoena them.

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 2:10 PM

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I think if you had a goal of a split or some kickback vs all the money in the pot there are better results

olive sparrow Jun 17, 2018, 2:11 PM

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with only about 5 grand in the bank we could have successfully sued Caiden at A3L and had his ill-gotten gains recovered on behalf of the group of people whose content was abused.

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yes of course, you'd have a split of royalties going t oeach mod that is used, and some to the server hosts, some to the game mode developers, a little for the management, a warchest for the law rep, and each hosting communit ywho manages its player base would keep a proportion

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a fair share for all

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 2:13 PM

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Thats the hardest part 😛

olive sparrow Jun 17, 2018, 2:13 PM

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yeah i've manage much harder projects than that would be

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imagine 54 local authorities

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each is risk averse, each wants its agenda dealt with without compromise

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and somehow you have to deploy the solution within 2 years with a budget of only £2m

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you could spend 2 years debating the agreement

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so this is small fry in comparison

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mod teams in the arma community are far more professional than local authorities in the UK 😉

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it may be a pipe-dream, but the model could really work

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 2:16 PM

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Thats a tall order to put on mod teams 😛

olive sparrow Jun 17, 2018, 2:16 PM

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it jus tcame to me recently considering our plans for the next 2-3 years

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most teams are very time-poor

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so we can sort out our own plans, and later on see if they want to join forces.

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it might just happen

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 2:19 PM

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Would be cool to see 😄

echo orchid Jun 17, 2018, 2:19 PM

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@pliant oar cheers man

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the easier way out is to be able to monetize both servers and addons, or none at all

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 2:23 PM

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how is the million dollar question 😄

mint edge Jun 17, 2018, 2:31 PM

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@hallow lark wat

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ya all good ideas can't wait dayz modding more theft fun maybe the community can put something together

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but anyone with half a brain can nutter a pbo to just what they want to be stealing 😒

mint edge Jun 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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unless bi fundamentally change how you can host a server

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there will always be a way xd

river spear Jun 17, 2018, 3:30 PM

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@dull moon that would be easily doable if there was a way to force that validation check to be in the pbo

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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for arma 4 Uro thought about smth like this:
with enfusion you could just create a c# module to do it all from engine

river spear Jun 17, 2018, 3:34 PM

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but what stops someone from removing the check

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 3:34 PM

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embedded in the mod code and obfuscated...?

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no clue

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no programmer 😄

river spear Jun 17, 2018, 3:35 PM

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thats the issue, if there was a way to do this you could probably also do it in arma and if that was true thered definitely already be something online from me 😄

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right now its too easy for people to just remove the checks

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 3:35 PM

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Launcherr

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😄

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 3:36 PM

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as for A3 this would only be possiblöe with an DLL iirc

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and DLLs can be indeed removed very easily

faint nacelle Jun 17, 2018, 3:38 PM

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registered mod database incorporated into the engine™

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 3:38 PM

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☝

faint nacelle Jun 17, 2018, 3:39 PM

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of course the problem is the register process and database maintenance etc etc

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== money

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 3:42 PM

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if it's external and finaced by the mod usage fees from monetizing servers?

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 3:43 PM

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My arma 4 wishes is a check against reuploads on steam

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I would chuck money at an official checker from BI

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 3:44 PM

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you want to use my mod on a monetizing server? sure, pay a monthly fee to the database who keeps a percentage for the service and gives me the rest

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oh, you dont want to pay but still use it? well, no mod for you then. blocked by watermark on your users pc

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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this would create a major outcry by lifer kiddies, but who cares...

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the community would clean itself

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this way, illegal monetization would be a part of the dark arma past

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also servers who use modpacks and/or rips could be "shut down"... sorta...
who want's to play on a server with a watermark or error msg in his face

fossil basalt Jun 17, 2018, 3:49 PM

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Make it a LARGE non transparent watermark

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 3:50 PM

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with a pumping LSD effect and stroboscope effect to trigger epilepsy

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but yes, that's the idea, FM

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with a msg like: "unpermitted usage of following mod(s): blablabla"

fossil basalt Jun 17, 2018, 3:52 PM

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With some King Diamond-esque vocals to go along with it!

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 3:52 PM

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no, this track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4fTC-fKv3o

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😄

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wait for the chorus 😄

fossil basalt Jun 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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I was thinking more like Dethklok Mermaidur (chorus)

faint nacelle Jun 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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but this would be only for monetized mods yes?

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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not only

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if a mod has a non-profit license, the checkback results that it's used on a monetized server -> woddermark

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that'S the idea, not sure how to solve this tho

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also a nice to have would be, if a server is not on a monetization list but still does it, some sort of web interface for the content creator to login and manually trigger the watermark

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and not just for illegal monetization, but also for DMCA violators and mod reuploaders

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"oh, you already got a DMCA for reuploading / ripping my mod but still won't follow my license? here ya go, blackscreen for all of your players and an annoying text with music"

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and since all this stuff is already implemented inside the mod, and by downloading the mod you agreed to the licence where all this is announced, it is not illegal altering files on other ppls pc's

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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but then again, you need some kind of hurdle to register to the database as a creator to sort out trolls

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maybe with an autor registration fee

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i guess i'd pay 50,- for that service

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and i doubt that a troll would pay that just to get his registration revoked for trolling

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 4:13 PM

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^^

river spear Jun 17, 2018, 4:19 PM

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just find me a way to force these checks per mod and were settled

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making a database where mod creators can register their mod and then integrate a check into their mod isnt a problem, this way theyd have direct control over who can launch their server with a mod (e.g. only if the server pays a fee) or if you dont take a fee you can use it to blacklist servers that are not going by your mod license rules

pliant oar Jun 17, 2018, 4:21 PM

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much simpler system would be that each content creator would approve himself what servers will be able to run his mod (or if he don't care then just select * as any)

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ofcourse that does apply only into optimistic future where BI runs own master server, query protocol and content distribution system 😁

river spear Jun 17, 2018, 4:24 PM

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and thats where the probably-not-happening part starts again lol

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back to our community solution 😉

pliant oar Jun 17, 2018, 4:24 PM

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probably inprobable future of who knows 😉

river spear Jun 17, 2018, 4:26 PM

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you better not do something company funded when we start making a community solution

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 4:27 PM

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I like what dwarden suggested. That the creator chooses what server runs the mod.

pliant oar Jun 17, 2018, 4:31 PM

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ofc blacklisting would be possible too (so combination of whitelist and blacklist , and no list)

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 4:31 PM

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With an inbox type request system 😛

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So servers can request to run on their server, creator can approve 😄

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 4:32 PM

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☝

fossil basalt Jun 17, 2018, 4:32 PM

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Require a credit card for fines

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 4:32 PM

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Would have to have some sort of.. activity check though

pliant oar Jun 17, 2018, 4:32 PM

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and scan of ID card / passport / driving licenses 😉

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oh wait, era of biometrics, so retina , fingerprint and face scan too

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 4:33 PM

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Like if a creator isn’t active for X days, auto approval

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Dont forget social sec #

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Just incase

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And list of 5 commonly used passwords

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😄

pliant oar Jun 17, 2018, 4:34 PM

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that's covered in teh ID card stuff

fossil basalt Jun 17, 2018, 4:34 PM

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Just make it a legally binding contract where if they violate the rules they can be automatically fined .

pliant oar Jun 17, 2018, 4:34 PM

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future biometrics/digital passports/ID cards have all that

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 4:34 PM

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Just make it a legally binding contract where if they violate the rules they can be automatically fined .

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nice

pliant oar Jun 17, 2018, 4:35 PM

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solution for auto printing money, i like it ... {patent pending already}

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 4:35 PM

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A scanner perhaps? 😛

fossil basalt Jun 17, 2018, 4:36 PM

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And by having their CC on file they agree to the escalating penalties that come with abuse #350 #500 #750 on up

pliant oar Jun 17, 2018, 4:36 PM

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anyway the system needs to have protection against abuse by content creators themselves, so abuse of the system will result into automated fines too lmaoroflxdddd

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 4:36 PM

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solution for auto printing money, i like it ... {patent pending already}
hold up, that's Uro's and my idea
patent disputes inbound
😂

pliant oar Jun 17, 2018, 4:37 PM

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you think you had that idea, but you some year late 😉

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 4:37 PM

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never said when we had the idea 😄

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damn

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i did

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nvm

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😄

fossil basalt Jun 17, 2018, 4:37 PM

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As long as it doesn’t interfere with my VR HMD + PowerGlove + FleshLight idea, we’re ok!

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 4:38 PM

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ooooookay........

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🤔

pliant oar Jun 17, 2018, 4:38 PM

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nah it will just utilize the killswitch bit from NSA 🤣

fossil basalt Jun 17, 2018, 4:38 PM

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Haptics FTW

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 4:40 PM

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👀👀

fossil basalt Jun 17, 2018, 4:41 PM

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That way I can make money from telling people to “Go F themselves!” 😂

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 4:42 PM

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The dream

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But all in all back to reality, whatever system may come up.. needs to hold creators and servers accountable.. and not damage/make the players time difficult

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Cant have players jump through hoops just to play, should only make servers do that 😛

river spear Jun 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

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yeah the system would only affect mods that are being run on a server

soft egret Jun 17, 2018, 4:56 PM

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@dull moon with enfusion you could just create a c# module to do it all from engine That's not how Enscript works. It's not C#. And you cannot just write a C# module

heavy moon Jun 17, 2018, 4:56 PM

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thats why you have it ran by independant 3rd party, much the same way the 3rd party battleye manages the blocking and banning of hackers/abusers.

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think of it more as a mod-auth db for arma, with author management features, it could also poll BI's monetised server list and auto-flag any offenders

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implementing something like this is not outside the scope of any game engine

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when you tie it into a system such as the crawler it could also output a list to the registered authors of workshop items that contain their content

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from the developer point of view they could also integrate the crawler into publisher to block or hold items in limbo until granted authorisation by the registered author of the original content.

soft egret Jun 17, 2018, 5:02 PM

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how do you know who owns the content though?

heavy moon Jun 17, 2018, 5:03 PM

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from your registered author list

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which would be manually vetted by your 3rd party

soft egret Jun 17, 2018, 5:03 PM

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Let's say author uploads on google drive and published in BIF forum.
Bad guy uploads to workshop first. Or enters your mod as his in the author list

heavy moon Jun 17, 2018, 5:03 PM

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then BI would need to enforce workshop only loading of mods.

soft egret Jun 17, 2018, 5:03 PM

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monopoly?

heavy moon Jun 17, 2018, 5:04 PM

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no, removing the ability to subvert systems designed to protect content creators.

soft egret Jun 17, 2018, 5:05 PM

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Would need to somehow block the steam api in the backend that the BITools publisher uses so that no one can use it outside of publisher

heavy moon Jun 17, 2018, 5:05 PM

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thats why we need to work with BI on a solution

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it's all nice and dandy making a community solution for something, but we cannot edit the engine or tools to implement our wishes, this is where BI comes in.

river spear Jun 17, 2018, 5:06 PM

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well if you had a way to force the check chris proposed earlier, you wouldnt need any further engine implementation

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but well thats where the plan fails

soft egret Jun 17, 2018, 5:07 PM

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And what about people that repack mods and slightly modify them?

heavy moon Jun 17, 2018, 5:08 PM

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then you would still have a manual flagging system, where a flagged items gets sent for review by your 3rd party, who would then arbitrate between those mods to dsicern what is or is not a reupload

soft egret Jun 17, 2018, 5:08 PM

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then we are basically back at what we are doing now

heavy moon Jun 17, 2018, 5:09 PM

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not if the previously discussed systems were in place

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the manual flagging would be tertiary to the other systems in the event someone tries to subvert the entire thing by literally alrtering the content to mask it's identity.

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and with the 3rd party could output back to BI a list of offenders who do such things, and then just block their steam account from the ability to even upload

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 5:10 PM

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The average user does not alter mods, they simply grab and reupload

soft egret Jun 17, 2018, 5:10 PM

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all people who want to steal would do that. Like we already have pbo repacking and obfuscating right now.
Right now few people do that because they don't need to. But if everyone would need to do that everyone would. We will get one click tools to repack and alter entire modpacks to circumvent this

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 5:11 PM

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Make it easier to use the official versions for servers and players

heavy moon Jun 17, 2018, 5:11 PM

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well then you obfuscate/encrypt every single mod with a remote server authentication with hashed keys, regularly generating new keys to prevent the obfuscation being broken.

soft egret Jun 17, 2018, 5:12 PM

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And do exactly the worst thing on obfuscating.. Preventing everyone to learn from stuff.

heavy moon Jun 17, 2018, 5:12 PM

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yes

soft egret Jun 17, 2018, 5:12 PM

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And severely inhibiting the Arma modding scene.

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which is the most important for the Arma genre

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 5:13 PM

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I wouldnt mind sws being the only way to use mods and load mods from, it would solve a number of issues

heavy moon Jun 17, 2018, 5:14 PM

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you can either have it completely blocked, or open and monitored/policed to aid in preventing it occurring, such schemes are never fool-proof, and is why you have secondary and tertiary systems in place to catch those going to such lengths to pirate other peoples content.

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 5:14 PM

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Loading mods only on sws would stop a number of reuploads, unless its a test mod that can only be used offline and not on servers

heavy moon Jun 17, 2018, 5:14 PM

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also openly publishing a list of offenders would be a good idea, not outing people who pirate content is part of the problem

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

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Ease of sws only would mean if you wanted to play on X server just hit play and it would subscribe and download the mods for you

soft egret Jun 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

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how about keep the manual policing that we have right now. But add it to the Arma EULA that you cannot violate other peoples copyright and you get a game ban for that.
Everything is still open. But harder punishment prevents more people from doing bad.

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And if they do bad once. They're gone.

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Instead of "Nah.. I'll just reupload it again"

heavy moon Jun 17, 2018, 5:17 PM

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you realise how much time people have to spend protecting their content? if you automate as much as possible and enforce registration for it, then you immediately cut out a lot of the time wasted, time which most authors would rather spend on creating content than having to stop some jumped up knob abusing their content, which for all purposes is FREE provided you do not breach their licencing.

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this is merely giving authors a way to fully enforce their licencing through a system.

soft egret Jun 17, 2018, 5:18 PM

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Just have to be careful not to hurt the whole modding scene by these severe limitations.

heavy moon Jun 17, 2018, 5:18 PM

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yeah i completely agree with that

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but the current situation is neither good nor a solution.

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if content creators knew they had a system to protect their own work, they would more than likely be more willing to aid others.

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 5:30 PM

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👆

echo orchid Jun 17, 2018, 5:51 PM

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@soft egret - as long as the current monetization stuff remains, shit is gonna still remain the same

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otherwise 100% agreed
a. ban from game if uploading copyrighted material

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that included ripped shit from all over the place

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b. ban from game if infringing other people's IP rights

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that said, BI needs to have more authority over their own steam workshop space

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 6:12 PM

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I don’t think that would happen.. would be nice to have a game ban system, timed bans for first time clueless people

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2 day, 2 week, 2 months, perm

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Cant axe people on first time because most are clueless

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Require arma3/4 to put stuff on steam so you cant spam workshop (not sure if this already applies or if you only need tools)
Most people would learn whats right or wrong within the first ban.

soft egret Jun 17, 2018, 6:22 PM

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Cant axe people on first time because most are clueless Not if you add a warning in Publisher before every upload

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Also it's EULA. You previously agreed to that.

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Also steam workshop agreement. You also previously agreed to that

fervent needle Jun 17, 2018, 6:31 PM

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True true but reading is hard for stupid people 😛 , but I guess right now there is no real push back so people don’t care

mint edge Jun 17, 2018, 7:56 PM

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well similar to how optixs crawler works steam could implement a similar system which detects already uploaded items and blocks the upload until the owner of the first workshop item with that data clicks Yes or clicks No

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obvi a wet dream but the shameless reuploads would stop

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offsite mod packs are tricky because as stated it'll take BIS cooperation to incorporate something like that into the game itself

snow bloom Jun 17, 2018, 8:36 PM

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I was informed earlier that Yuri Petrov made a mod for arma 2. Did he by chance make a black hawk style mod for arma 3?

echo orchid Jun 17, 2018, 8:38 PM

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nope

snow bloom Jun 17, 2018, 8:39 PM

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Then I believe I've found a port of his arma 2 mod that I believe was sold to VBS right?

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1197485239&tscn=1529264930

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Config viewer says the author was Yuri

soft egret Jun 17, 2018, 8:49 PM

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I did not make this mod. instant report

mint edge Jun 17, 2018, 9:36 PM

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CTRL + F "I did not" on workshop xD

dull moon Jun 17, 2018, 9:54 PM

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https://media0.giphy.com/media/raphGDhHOSnfO/giphy.gif

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

hallow lark Jun 18, 2018, 3:09 AM

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ha, searched "I did not" in workshop. 17 pages returned... RIP

keen trout Jun 18, 2018, 8:14 AM

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Ghost I dont have any Keys for it sadly. thinkinghuh

tawny sentinel Jun 18, 2018, 9:29 AM

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The only key needed for a MH-60 is the start up procedure

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😉

river spear Jun 18, 2018, 12:18 PM

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@hallow lark jesus I'm seeing it right now, https://beta.workshopcrawler.com/workshop/textsearch and then searching "I did not" basically every match is along the lines of "I did not create this"

soft egret Jun 18, 2018, 12:20 PM

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The crawler textsearch shows hidden items? But I can't DMCA hidden items right?

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How hard would be textsearch after the content? Or hash search?
I'd need to search for tfar_core.pbo because uploading any of these is not allowed. Searching for hash wouldn't help much as we are now at build 295 of these and collecting all the hashes would be a hassle

burnt oak Jun 18, 2018, 12:26 PM

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text search only gives back the description, but since most reuploads just leave that empty, you will not get many if at all

river spear Jun 18, 2018, 12:26 PM

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@soft egret shouldn't have access to hidden items

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I think theres only private and friends only if you're not picking public?

soft egret Jun 18, 2018, 12:27 PM

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text search returned a item for me that seems to be marked private

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1132401451

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search for 1.0.-1.0.278

river spear Jun 18, 2018, 12:28 PM

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@soft egret I can add a filter that returns results for pbos matching a file name

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Maybe it was public before and was indexed then

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The crawler only update his db at 0 o'clock

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Someone else requested scanning via filename aswell so I might add that this week then

soft egret Jun 18, 2018, 12:30 PM

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reuploaded for use in a collection. wow. You reuploaded that mod that already exists on steam workshop and that explicitly forbids reuploads,
to use it in a collection? So far I've only seen people reupload because they didn't want to use a collection..

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Also can we get a button to directly open the filelisting in a new tab? Right now I'm getting the txt and opening it in notepad++ for a quick look. but just open in browser would be quicker

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1212972893
RH, ivory, Jonzie, HLC, Kickass

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1323438934
HLC, ivory

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1090961836
RH, ivory

river spear Jun 18, 2018, 12:46 PM

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@soft egret yeah can do that

soft egret Jun 18, 2018, 12:47 PM

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If you really gonna reupload the TFAR beta even if it's not allowed.. Then atleast don't write "This is a reupload of the TFAR beta for use in our group" into the description 🤦

safe arrow Jun 18, 2018, 1:29 PM

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Some say that their server has problems loading to many mods, thats why the pack them together into one modpack. Also i never experienced any problems with this so far and its still a bad excuse to violate the licenses.

dull moon Jun 18, 2018, 1:32 PM

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I managed to testrun 100+ mods without major issues. The obvious incompatibility bollocks, but nothing unexpected. I call bs on the “my server can't run many single mods“ excuse

soft egret Jun 18, 2018, 1:32 PM

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I can understand if you pack lots of small mods together. But even though there is that Arma launcher limit. No reason to pack mods together that you are not allowed to.
You can have what? 20 or so mods running without hitting that limit? Why do people need to pack everything into one mod. If they could just pack the stuff together that they are allowed to. And then run the other 8 or so mods next to that without violating licenses

lunar geode Jun 18, 2018, 2:03 PM

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I can understand if you pack lots of small mods together. But even though there is that Arma launcher limit. No reason to pack mods together that you are not allowed to. You can have what? 20 or so mods running without hitting that limit? Why do people need to pack everything into one mod. If they could just pack the stuff together that they are allowed to. And then run the other 8 or so mods next to that without violating licenses

Because people are stupid and they feel the need to upload all kinds of junk to the Workshop. Also there is not a real way for anyone as a mod maker to hinder the re-uploading issue without severely limiting the access of the mod to only trusted connections.

faint nacelle Jun 18, 2018, 2:12 PM

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we live in social media culture where "likes" are everything and reuploaders want "their stuff" to be liked.

dull moon Jun 18, 2018, 2:16 PM

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☝
So effing true

lunar geode Jun 18, 2018, 2:56 PM

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I wish it was different but @faint nacelle nailed it 💯 %

snow bloom Jun 18, 2018, 3:47 PM

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Think I've possibly stumbled across something regarding the no4commando realism community

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Does anyone know if they have custom mods or the ability to monetize aspects of their unit?

soft egret Jun 18, 2018, 3:48 PM

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https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/approved/arma3 if they are not on that list. They cannot monetize

snow bloom Jun 18, 2018, 3:50 PM

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it's listed as a donation, but it's in the form of pay to win essentially

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http://www.no4commando.com/donations

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Not too sure if it's in violation or not

soft egret Jun 18, 2018, 3:53 PM

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Is access to these items gameplay changing?

fervent needle Jun 18, 2018, 3:53 PM

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If it was only cosmetics then its allowed but if its like guns and gear for donations - a no no

snow bloom Jun 18, 2018, 3:53 PM

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From what I gather, players can only play with certain guns etc if they donate a certain amount each month

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"For those who donate £15 or more per month.

You will have access to the following weapons:

RIFLE NO.5 MK. I (LEE–ENFIELD JUNGLE CARBINE)
M3 GREASE GUN
M1918 B.A.R. (BAK)
WELROD MK. II"

fossil basalt Jun 18, 2018, 4:44 PM

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The next set of questions to ask are:
What mods are they using?
What weapons do non paying players have access to?
Are the weapons offered to paying players just reskinned weapons from the modlist ?

mint edge Jun 18, 2018, 4:45 PM

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is it possible for non paying users to also access those guns by some other means?

snow bloom Jun 18, 2018, 5:06 PM

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Leave it with me, I'll find out

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Mods; https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=851312465

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Just spoke to a recruiter and it does indeed appear that you are unable to access those particular weapons unless you donate. In their words exactly, "Donator Weapons"

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As for reskinned, the mod pack does not show any of their own in house modifications

mint edge Jun 18, 2018, 5:17 PM

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yea then that's bad

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it can't be exclusive I think

snow bloom Jun 18, 2018, 5:18 PM

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I'm not sure about all of this stuff, it just seemed a bit ropey thats all

mint edge Jun 18, 2018, 5:18 PM

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well it's simple

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if give money and get a reward someone who doesn't give money can't get

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not allowed

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well maybe no nvm

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what do ppl nornally quote for skins

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if it's cosmetic and not advantage giving

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idk if u can also make that skin specifically for people who donate

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exclusive

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brb reading monetization rules

soft egret Jun 18, 2018, 5:39 PM

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yes you can do that

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the monetization rules say "gameplay altering" or something like that

snow bloom Jun 18, 2018, 6:20 PM

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So they aren't doing anything wrong or have I misunderstood?

narrow topaz Jun 18, 2018, 6:20 PM

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is it possible for non paying users to also access those guns by some other means? You can't lock avenues to obtain assets behind a paywall. i.e., you cannot have multiple means to acquire an asset (purchase, loot, craft, etc) and only offer some of those means to non-donors. Any means by which a donator can access the content, a non-donator also has to have access to.

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If they're locking assets behind a paywall and have no 1:1 equivalent asset available for non-donors, they are in violation.

snow bloom Jun 18, 2018, 6:22 PM

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Ah right gotya. It's best if someone goes to confirm this, english wasn't the guys first language and there's a possibility I misunderstood at some point. Don't throw the book at them without being 100% is all Im saying

heavy moon Jun 18, 2018, 6:23 PM

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monetisation rules are there -> https://www.bohemia.net/monetization

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if they are selling assets that affect gameplay then they are in breach of those, i.e. anything not cosmetic

narrow topaz Jun 18, 2018, 6:24 PM

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Their website isn't listed on the approved monetization listing from what I can tell

snow bloom Jun 18, 2018, 6:24 PM

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It's not, I did a search for it earlier

narrow topaz Jun 18, 2018, 6:24 PM

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Then they're in violation by default

heavy moon Jun 18, 2018, 6:25 PM

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i'd send an email to infringements@bistudio.com with all relevant data

snow bloom Jun 18, 2018, 6:25 PM

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Alright, will send it now

heavy moon Jun 18, 2018, 6:26 PM

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they are in violation of those rules by monetising and not being registered to do so aswell

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anyways BI's team will sort it out once you send them an email notifying them

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it could just be a case of them not knowing about the rules or something like that.

snow bloom Jun 18, 2018, 6:32 PM

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Yep, sent in 1 minute ago

mint edge Jun 18, 2018, 6:40 PM

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ignorance to the law / rules is no.....

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as long as they are civil and fix the problem it's usually all good

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xd

gray saffron Jun 18, 2018, 6:54 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1333620906 is this taviana upload legit?

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Cannot remeber they granted permission to anyone but iam not familiar with martin or the dayz origins team

soft egret Jun 18, 2018, 6:56 PM

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negative

faint nacelle Jun 18, 2018, 6:57 PM

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well the dude has uploaded exile too xD

gray saffron Jun 18, 2018, 7:02 PM

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kek this dude is even granting permission to edit content he seems to have no ip rights?

mint edge Jun 18, 2018, 7:04 PM

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poor Martin seems to have gotten fed up with dmcaing cus there's been a taviana up for months lol

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I think there's one with a few thousand almost a year now

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aswell

soft egret Jun 19, 2018, 12:05 PM

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Just wanted to report packs of a 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit That reupload lots of stuff.
Hey #communities_arma3 has a 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit And they even have the same logo as on the workshop items..
Turns out. They are different groups. Same name, same logo, different groups.

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Their latest twitter post 😄 https://twitter.com/arma_11thmeu/status/979802615574925314

11th MEU (@arma_11thmeu)

WE ARE BACK PEOPLE :D
The DMCA takedown has finally been lifted and we will now start havning events again.
You only need to download the modpack again, which can be done here:
https://t.co/4Izh3H5Yo1
The first event will be held tomorrow at 1930 :D
Happy hunting!!

faint nacelle Jun 19, 2018, 12:18 PM

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oh mi god

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📎 unknown.png

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in each of their "modpacks"

astral marlin Jun 19, 2018, 12:30 PM

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lol jokers

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report then as it will make the loose there steam accounts

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i did like 75 workshop repos yesterday

faint nacelle Jun 19, 2018, 12:31 PM

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meh dont have time for that. got my own mod to build

astral marlin Jun 19, 2018, 12:33 PM

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Neither do i but if you not willing to put the effort in you might as well bend over and take it like a man lol

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=924074811
addons\cl3_mod_client.pbo
addons\cl3_objects.pbo

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1253899996
addons\cl3_mod_client.pbo
addons\cl3_objects.pbo

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1278179244
addons\cl3_mod_client.pbo
addons\cl3_objects.pbo

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1405310263
addons\cl3_mod_client.pbo
addons\cl3_objects.pbo

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1330390452
addons\cl3_mod_client.pbo

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1330239500
addons\cl3_mod_client.pbo
addons\cl3_objects.pbo

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1292923175
addons\cl3_mod_client.pbo

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1115295001
addons\cl3_mod_client.pbo
addons\cl3_objects.pbo

faint nacelle Jun 19, 2018, 12:35 PM

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what I meant was I cant keep policing others peoples work constantly. I hit the occasional report when theres a moment to do that, But the report is said to do nothing really so I've become uncertain if its worth anything

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DMCA being the only thing worth anything

astral marlin Jun 19, 2018, 12:35 PM

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yer DMCA via steam is what i meant

faint nacelle Jun 19, 2018, 12:35 PM

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ÿeah but I cant DMCA other peoples work

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only the author may do that

astral marlin Jun 19, 2018, 12:36 PM

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Arr ok i thought you where talking about your own work ok then redacted the bending over lol

faint nacelle Jun 19, 2018, 12:36 PM

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yeah that I've done

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the one time our oooold Alpha release was uploaded

astral marlin Jun 19, 2018, 12:40 PM

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this is a god send https://beta.workshopcrawler.com/

dull moon Jun 19, 2018, 12:44 PM

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Jep, OPTiX and his minions deserve a promotion for their service to the community

fervent needle Jun 19, 2018, 2:09 PM

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Oh boye

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I got 13 reuploads

astral marlin Jun 19, 2018, 3:19 PM

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13 is small game ive got over 350 pages still to go lol

faint nacelle Jun 19, 2018, 3:23 PM

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Everyboodyyy just D - M - C - A ta ta da taada taada taada taada D - M - C - A 🎵 🎶

mint edge Jun 19, 2018, 3:48 PM

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if valve gave two shits about it all they would have come up with a solution years ago 😒

river spear Jun 19, 2018, 4:56 PM

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you guys better eventually pay for the 15% cpu usage you suck up on my private machine ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) /s

mental edge Jun 19, 2018, 5:31 PM

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I know I would. Good service, worth it.

mint edge Jun 19, 2018, 6:02 PM

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optix your made out of sugar spice and everything nice you wouldn't c-c-c-charge us

faint nacelle Jun 19, 2018, 6:05 PM

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now that he has you all hooked there will be premium search time and loot boxes

river spear Jun 19, 2018, 7:27 PM

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loot boxes lmao

mint edge Jun 19, 2018, 7:31 PM

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with increased crawling speed and cosmetic Reskins of the site inside

soft egret Jun 19, 2018, 7:32 PM

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I don't have money to donate. But I have ram and cpu time that I don't need

echo orchid Jun 20, 2018, 8:26 AM

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😄

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i wouldn't mind paying a penny on that the crawler

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if you set up donations i am gonna get RHS social networks up a gear and get you some promo as well

coral torrent Jun 20, 2018, 3:24 PM

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@echo orchid Donations can be send to transactions@maverick-applications.comvia PayPal. Or else pm Optix or me if you would like to send money in a different way. We want to keep the service free to use, and any donations are much appreciated!

fossil basalt Jun 20, 2018, 3:34 PM

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Do you accept beer?

mint edge Jun 20, 2018, 3:43 PM

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underage

fossil basalt Jun 20, 2018, 3:47 PM

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Ginger beer then.

coral torrent Jun 20, 2018, 3:59 PM

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Who here is underaged? Of course you can send us a package of 🍺 XD

dull moon Jun 20, 2018, 5:42 PM

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i'd reccommend "Tegernseer Hell"

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😄

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or the "Ulrichsbier" from Berg Brauerei

vocal quiver Jun 22, 2018, 8:21 AM

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I also hope that one day the arma community is completely rid of all those scumbag roleplay servers that bring the majority of players to the game @soft egret

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remind me that if i ever make another server in the future to stay clear of mods since it seems like everyone is either out to ban monetization or use of their previously public mods now adays and the report infringement button is like a morning routine to some addon creators.

tawny sentinel Jun 22, 2018, 8:28 AM

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Previously public? They're public. They just have licenses attached.

vocal quiver Jun 22, 2018, 8:29 AM

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I understand this, but people have used addons like TFAR for years with monetized servers, what I read above is that someone is now being asked not to use it, for example.

soft egret Jun 22, 2018, 8:30 AM

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So.. You are trying to make it seem like it's my fault that servers (including yours) are not following the monetization rules set out by BI?

tawny sentinel Jun 22, 2018, 8:30 AM

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I hope you realize the irony of what you're typing, being a founder of PsiSyndicate's life server.

vocal quiver Jun 22, 2018, 8:31 AM

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Deadmen, which rule have we broken?

soft egret Jun 22, 2018, 8:31 AM

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Who is Deadmen?

vocal quiver Jun 22, 2018, 8:32 AM

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I see

soft egret Jun 22, 2018, 8:32 AM

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https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/faq#!#c7 That one.

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Like I also wrote in my report.

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Also https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/faq#!#c8

vocal quiver Jun 22, 2018, 8:32 AM

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Now I understand why this conversation even began, anyways, in specific, which rule have we broken, trust me we are aware of FAQ

soft egret Jun 22, 2018, 8:32 AM

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I just linked them

tawny sentinel Jun 22, 2018, 8:32 AM

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https://github.com/michail-nikolaev/task-force-arma-3-radio/blob/master/LICENSE.md

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If only there was a license in the add on folder

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🤔

soft egret Jun 22, 2018, 8:33 AM

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You need permission to monetize while using mods. You didn't get that permission.

vocal quiver Jun 22, 2018, 8:33 AM

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Which product on our store are you refering to?

soft egret Jun 22, 2018, 8:33 AM

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None. Your server is monetized.

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Any product is enough

vocal quiver Jun 22, 2018, 8:33 AM

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haha

soft egret Jun 22, 2018, 8:34 AM

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Me not explicitly saying that you are not allowed to monetize doesn't mean you can.

vocal quiver Jun 22, 2018, 8:34 AM

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You understand any product which does not give an in-game advantage is allowed?

tawny sentinel Jun 22, 2018, 8:34 AM

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Noncommercial - You may not use this material for any commercial purposes.

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Do you want me to put extra emphasis on any?

soft egret Jun 22, 2018, 8:34 AM

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Just as I don't have to explicitly say that the stuff I make belongs to me. Doesn't mean you can just steal stuff just because I don't explicitly say "Don't steal my stuff". That's not how the world works.

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You understand any product which does not give an in-game advantage is allowed? You don't seem to understand the monetization rules.

vocal quiver Jun 22, 2018, 8:35 AM

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Now we're talking about theft?

soft egret Jun 22, 2018, 8:35 AM

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nope. Just giving examples that might be easier to understand

vocal quiver Jun 22, 2018, 8:35 AM

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just stay on one topic for more than a minute okay?

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So if you want, you can explain to me in detail what issues you have with specific modpacks in our server, and what monetization rules we have broken.

soft egret Jun 22, 2018, 8:37 AM

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Okey.
You understand any product which does not give an in-game advantage is allowed? Yes. But that statement is irrelevant.
You are a registered monetized server. You would violate the rules if you'd sell in-game advantage which you don't. But that is not at all what I'm talking about

tawny sentinel Jun 22, 2018, 8:37 AM

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Why would he? The rules are clear about this. It's not his fault you are seemingly illiterate.

soft egret Jun 22, 2018, 8:37 AM

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As the FAQ says. You need explicit permission to use mods on your monetized server.

tawny sentinel Jun 22, 2018, 8:37 AM

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"Noncommercial - You may not use this material for any commercial purposes."

soft egret Jun 22, 2018, 8:37 AM

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Do you have a monetized server? yes.
Do you have explicit permission to use TFAR or other mods? No....

vocal quiver Jun 22, 2018, 8:37 AM

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We know you have issues with lewis regarding the bank that armatec does not own and falsely flagged a youtube video including it

soft egret Jun 22, 2018, 8:37 AM

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Do I?

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You seem to know more than I do then

vocal quiver Jun 22, 2018, 8:38 AM

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anyways

soft egret Jun 22, 2018, 8:38 AM

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Through that video I also found out that Armatec's server also didn't have permission to use TFAR.

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They have now though.

vocal quiver Jun 22, 2018, 8:38 AM

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Ah, so it's more of a special permission to use kinda deal

soft egret Jun 22, 2018, 8:39 AM

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The FAQ clearly states that you need explicit permission of any mod author who's mod you use on your monetized server.
You didn't get that permission. What's so hard to understand on that?

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Seems rather simple in my head..

vocal quiver Jun 22, 2018, 8:39 AM

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Now along with everyone else who monetizes using TFAR and hasn't been given permission, what sets our community apart?

soft egret Jun 22, 2018, 8:39 AM

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nothing. I found out that you are violating rules. So I reported you.

vocal quiver Jun 22, 2018, 8:40 AM

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So what would we have to do to gain permission to use your addons?

soft egret Jun 22, 2018, 8:40 AM

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Ask

vocal quiver Jun 22, 2018, 8:40 AM

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Well I'd like to say I'm sorry because i got the impression that you guys were just removing everyones rights to use it

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from what i read above

soft egret Jun 22, 2018, 8:41 AM

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BI did that years ago when they started allowing monetization

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You are just ignoring the rules. And that's not our fault

tawny sentinel Jun 22, 2018, 8:41 AM

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Well, showing a bit of respect for the license would probably do you good, considering PsiSyndicate has literally been making a living off using mods such as TFAR for years without permission.

vocal quiver Jun 22, 2018, 8:41 AM

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I'm sorry, I had no idea you guys had rules regarding your modpack

soft egret Jun 22, 2018, 8:41 AM

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we don't

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BI set up rules.