#ip_rights_violations | ARMA | Page 34

dull moon Mar 30, 2018, 10:48 PM

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Isn't that the psisyndicate dude?

cinder ridge Mar 30, 2018, 10:48 PM

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Yeah, well its for his community server. The modpack was made by his "devs" though from what I understand.

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On their homepage you can find a list of staff members, the guy that uploaded it is listed there too.

dull moon Mar 30, 2018, 10:49 PM

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The one with the gambling bs on cs?

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I mean psi

cinder ridge Mar 30, 2018, 10:49 PM

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No idea to be honest. I think there was something some time ago but dont know for sure what...

dull moon Mar 30, 2018, 10:50 PM

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@grand oyster
Did you use the crawler?

cinder ridge Mar 30, 2018, 10:52 PM

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I'm running it right now, and while its still working it already lists all the SMA pbos...

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So I'm sure there's more in it

grand oyster Mar 30, 2018, 10:52 PM

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@dull moon Yes

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I didn't do a deepscan but yeah

dull moon Mar 30, 2018, 10:56 PM

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deepscan and ooooohhhhh what surprise... CUP

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bw mod

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fhq

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ffaa

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massi

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hlc/niarms

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rhs

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sfp

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unsung

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sma

cinder ridge Mar 30, 2018, 10:58 PM

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Not sure if I'm correct but it just said: "Reuploads Found: 1040"
Thats quite a bit...

dull moon Mar 30, 2018, 11:00 PM

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sharing a link to a deepscan filelist shortly

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well... GDrive is trolling me... brb+

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wtf...? my google drive options disappeared from my context menu

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oh great... now google drive decides to check all of my over 20GB of data

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but here it is, a deepscan list of the psiexile thingy
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ePW3aZn-lNghWUdsPWSFZ0ypJVGqB0c4

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@echo orchid

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@serene loom

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@carmine folio

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@olive sparrow (you're unsung, right?)

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the file in question is secondary_weapons.pbo

grand oyster Mar 30, 2018, 11:29 PM

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@fervent needle

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^ His

dull moon Mar 30, 2018, 11:29 PM

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and i just saw, 3CB is also in there @wary tundra

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nevertheless, i'm gonna light him up now
🔥

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😈

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Done
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1343160146

fervent needle Mar 30, 2018, 11:45 PM

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@dull moon what about that pbo

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Or file in question

dull moon Mar 30, 2018, 11:46 PM

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contains a lot of ripped stuff from mods listed a few posts above like 2h ago

fervent needle Mar 30, 2018, 11:46 PM

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The psi one had that?

dull moon Mar 30, 2018, 11:46 PM

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yes

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i posted a link to a deepscan file list

fervent needle Mar 30, 2018, 11:46 PM

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Ah yea secondary_weapons is mine

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Ill take a look

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👍 thx

dull moon Mar 30, 2018, 11:47 PM

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is yours?

fervent needle Mar 30, 2018, 11:47 PM

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Yes

dull moon Mar 30, 2018, 11:47 PM

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i don't quite understand

fervent needle Mar 30, 2018, 11:47 PM

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Me either

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I was reacting the the filename you mentioned

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The psisyndicate reupload isn’t mine

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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1343160146 is not me

dull moon Mar 30, 2018, 11:49 PM

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that i figured, i thought you are the creator of the secondary_weapons.pbo for original exile

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or what mod are you from

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?

fervent needle Mar 30, 2018, 11:51 PM

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Its separate not exile http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1334412770

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Yes created stuff for exile but that works without

dull moon Mar 30, 2018, 11:54 PM

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uhm... ok... i think there needs something to be cleared:
what is the suppose of all the models in the mod? like CUP_Mk17_short_grip_secondary.p3d
and what is their origin?
@fervent needle

fervent needle Mar 30, 2018, 11:55 PM

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Ah gotcha, i see where confusion is

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Its a file with a proxy to your model

dull moon Mar 30, 2018, 11:55 PM

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because this was picked up by the reupload filter

fervent needle Mar 30, 2018, 11:55 PM

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Only works if cup is loaded

dull moon Mar 30, 2018, 11:55 PM

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OH FFS... then i fucked up big time

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fuck

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shit

fervent needle Mar 30, 2018, 11:55 PM

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I can show you source files

dull moon Mar 30, 2018, 11:55 PM

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false claim

fervent needle Mar 30, 2018, 11:55 PM

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Lol

dull moon Mar 30, 2018, 11:56 PM

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no i mean the psiexile thingy is not actually containing CUP content, or content from mods i mentioned, but your mod that got me triggered on the other mods

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F U C K

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@all i mentioned:
false alarm

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sorry

fervent needle Mar 30, 2018, 11:57 PM

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Oh I see the issue

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Lol

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Odd that it got picked up, does it search for close matching filenames?

dull moon Mar 30, 2018, 11:58 PM

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well, I do...

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

fervent needle Mar 30, 2018, 11:59 PM

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Ah

dull moon Mar 30, 2018, 11:59 PM

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and i get triggered easily

fervent needle Mar 30, 2018, 11:59 PM

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Oops

dull moon Mar 30, 2018, 11:59 PM

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mmmmhhhmmmmmm

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🤦

fervent needle Mar 31, 2018, 12:01 AM

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Not easy to pull back I am guessing

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Well you have a good track record right?

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Lol

dull moon Mar 31, 2018, 12:02 AM

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actgually it is kinda easy to "take back" a flase DMCA
first i need to get in contact with the uploader and thell him to counterclaim the DMCA. then i'll get a notice from valve and revoke the DMCA

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Well you have a good track record right?

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?

fervent needle Mar 31, 2018, 12:03 AM

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Of legit takedowns

dull moon Mar 31, 2018, 12:03 AM

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oh, yes

fervent needle Mar 31, 2018, 12:03 AM

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So its not like you are false takedowns

dull moon Mar 31, 2018, 12:03 AM

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i destroyed a couple of feelings 😄

fervent needle Mar 31, 2018, 12:03 AM

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All over, just a mistake

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But still wanna slide me those dmca tips?

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Lol

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Gotta file one on it myself

dull moon Mar 31, 2018, 12:04 AM

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sure. mind if we move this to PM?

fervent needle Mar 31, 2018, 12:04 AM

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👍

olive sparrow Mar 31, 2018, 12:20 AM

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so no dmca needed?

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i heard he made 40k in his opening weekend

soft egret Mar 31, 2018, 12:21 AM

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That crapbag of an idiot can't even write TFAR correctly. What a useless bag of water...

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He made 40k? While using mods that you can't monetize?

fervent needle Mar 31, 2018, 12:23 AM

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I think on his life server

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but yea

dull moon Mar 31, 2018, 12:26 AM

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@olive sparrow
no, false alarm. i'm sorry

soft egret Mar 31, 2018, 12:30 AM

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The cup files yes. But what about the HLC and SMA stuff?

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addons\hlc_wp_saw.pbo\tex\ui\gear_m249SQUANT_tu_ca.paa That doesn't look at all like a false alarm

dull moon Mar 31, 2018, 12:41 AM

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oh, you're right. SMA, HLC

soft egret Mar 31, 2018, 1:01 AM

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I think you should get some sleep 😄

fervent needle Mar 31, 2018, 1:04 AM

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well its already gone so

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

dull moon Mar 31, 2018, 1:07 AM

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i really need sleep. but sleep is for the weak

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😄

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is now watching Life of Brian

river spear Mar 31, 2018, 1:41 AM

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How the hell did it get deleted so fast?

red swan Mar 31, 2018, 1:56 AM

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Cause they probably relized their mistake, taken from psisyns discord from the developer: https://gyazo.com/44dc6717787c833842b2fa72eca9157c

river spear Mar 31, 2018, 2:03 AM

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@red swan Can you pm me a link to the discord maybe please?

grand oyster Mar 31, 2018, 2:14 AM

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😂

tawny sentinel Mar 31, 2018, 5:45 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/bUlxZl1.jpg

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Really makes you think

neon crater Mar 31, 2018, 5:45 AM

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I thought that was going to be taken down?

serene loom Mar 31, 2018, 8:55 AM

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@dull moon I don't know what should piss me off more, the fact that someone steals my stuff or the fact that they call it "secondary" -_-

tawny sentinel Mar 31, 2018, 10:32 AM

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Guessing you remember the whole Caden debacle back in -14? @serene loom

fossil basalt Mar 31, 2018, 10:37 AM

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Wasn’t it Caiden?

tawny sentinel Mar 31, 2018, 10:43 AM

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Could have been sure.

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Long time ago by now

fossil basalt Mar 31, 2018, 10:44 AM

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Some of those types are still around, I’ve seen them on the forum.

olive sparrow Mar 31, 2018, 10:49 AM

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i recall it only too clearly. was a fun time 😉

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the mad thing is that psisyndicate hosted a youtube/ twitch stream session where he interviewed caiden and his mates and the ysat there scratching their heads about - is this commercial use? what's the definition of commercial? etc etc, despite me having sent them all a clear definition of it - anything where goods or a service is provided for some form of reward or benefit (that's a summary of the tax law definition - i previously worked for the UK department of trade and industry as a contractor advising on EU market import rules for 7 years).

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so yes, if you offer a game experience, and require or collect cash donations, that is commercial use.

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for tax purposes

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now in terms of a licensee of software, whose content may be being used in this way, it is up to them to determine how far the user has strayed into how they choose to define commercial

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after that whole Life debacle, I produced a sample license for others to use freely, which defines commercial use, and restricts it clearly.

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http://svn.armanam.eu/ftp/eggbeast/unsung/docs/License/License Agreement.pdf

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so back then Caiden argued he wasn't acting commercially, assuming that because he was hoarding the money in his personal paypal account and spending it on himself, and not operating a limited company, that legally, he was not a commercial entity, and so he wasn't breaking the license

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well it's true he wasn't legally a commercial entity. but how he used the product, to offer a service, and to gain a reward, was a taxable commercial activity.

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and to generate, as he did, over £100,000 in 6 months was a blatant abuse of other peoples content released under non-commercial usage licenses. the point of their non-commercial licenses was also to protect the original authors from legal action, for example if they bought or downloaded shareware or freeware from cgtrader and imported it to Arma. somebody then using it to make £100k is going to draw heat on the original author, and their reputation or relationship with artists who allowed their content to be imported to arma.

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so there are very good reasons why authors apply licenses t otheir work, especially non-commercial use clauses.

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i find it a bit sad if the guy has created a new income generating server which uses non-commercial licensed content, especially if it is without the authors' consent

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as it's great to see arma community efforts generating a high stream of players

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just a shame if they don't understand and respect licenses

tawny sentinel Mar 31, 2018, 11:05 AM

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@vocal quiver Heya buddy have any thoughts on this?

olive sparrow Mar 31, 2018, 11:09 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sYpXt_Cl4c

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this is the preview showing some of the content. hopefully these chaps have secured permission for all of the content they are monetizing

tawny sentinel Mar 31, 2018, 11:10 AM

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They haven't

olive sparrow Mar 31, 2018, 11:14 AM

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this was psi talking with A3 Life people back i nthe day - so he's well aware ofthe risks

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCE4WErcUIE

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they all got banned from BIF and were shunned after raking in over £100k

safe arrow Mar 31, 2018, 11:16 AM

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At least according to his website there is no sign of monitization, only donations for the server itself. Or do you have other infos about their income?

olive sparrow Mar 31, 2018, 11:16 AM

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they used kiorys hats, Roberthammer weapons, Tonics mission code and milkmans houses to do that, along with a bunch of ripped models from russian sites. in those days they charged people up to $500 for them to go and rip a car model fro manother game, with menus of what was on offer, on russian rip sites. ifthat ain't commercial, and illegal, i don't know what is lol. anyway that's all well in the past now hopefully.

safe arrow Mar 31, 2018, 11:17 AM

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Maybe its just hidden (as most do today) behind registration etc.

olive sparrow Mar 31, 2018, 11:17 AM

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yeah somebody who worked on it told me that they earned £40,000 in the opening week

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might be incorrect, might not be, who knows?

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main thing is they are a registered monetized server, so they must have permission for everything in their server

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i only entered the discussion as it was (incorrectly it seems) mentioned that our content was being ripped.

safe arrow Mar 31, 2018, 11:18 AM

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Oh yep, then you are right. Didnt know/check their registration

olive sparrow Mar 31, 2018, 11:19 AM

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god help someone if they take anything from unsung lol

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but if anyone sees their content being illegally monetized i am happy to help them have it removed, if they don't know how to handle it. it's pretty straightforward these days now BI has set up the registered status, and steam DMCA takedowns are really fast now too.

fossil basalt Mar 31, 2018, 11:30 AM

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They’ve been reported already (Unuathorised Monetisation)

olive sparrow Mar 31, 2018, 11:30 AM

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ok good to know. is there proof of the authors whose content was abused?

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nice to see the system working well

olive sparrow Mar 31, 2018, 12:05 PM

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so the server mod had content made by Gnat, BNAE, HLC, CBA, sykocrazy (MELB), TFAR, ryanzombies, secondaryweapons, SMA, ddr, GR_MUH, etc
all re-signed and packaged by repentz meaning he has effectively re-authored their work and made £40k in profit. jolly well done lol

soft egret Mar 31, 2018, 12:13 PM

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TFAR and CBA are fine. I don't consider new bisigns as re-authoring. Although the repacking and not giving credits is a little on the line of what I consider acceptible even for mods that allow redistribution.

fossil basalt Mar 31, 2018, 12:17 PM

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You forgot no permission to monetise as well.

soft egret Mar 31, 2018, 12:20 PM

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Oh yeah. Btw TFAR is licensed under APL-SA which is noncommercial.

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And I didn't get any requests for permission from psisyn. In case anyone needs more dirt to throw at them for unauthorized monetization.

fossil basalt Mar 31, 2018, 12:44 PM

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What a way to flush your entire community down the drain

olive sparrow Mar 31, 2018, 12:44 PM

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He really should know better

olive sparrow Mar 31, 2018, 1:06 PM

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@soft egret which content do you make out of interest?

soft egret Mar 31, 2018, 1:07 PM

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TFAR, Intercept, ArmaScriptProfiler, ArmaScriptDebugger. Bit of contribution on ACE/CBA

olive sparrow Mar 31, 2018, 1:08 PM

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Ah ok thanks good to know

tawny sentinel Mar 31, 2018, 1:18 PM

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Sure would be a shame if someone sent a cease and desist template to their server provider for EULA violations, no? @soft egret

safe arrow Mar 31, 2018, 1:19 PM

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There is also a report-button on the monetization list in the A3-forum. That might help too

soft egret Mar 31, 2018, 1:20 PM

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FM said they were already reported

tawny sentinel Mar 31, 2018, 1:20 PM

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Reported months ago, yeah.

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I'd be pretty upset if someone took my shit without asking and then managing to make a living enough where you can immigrate to another country and buy yourself a house and a nice car.

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Oh, and have 100k in my paypal account.

fossil basalt Mar 31, 2018, 1:25 PM

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I'll remind them (BI) that its been reported.

tawny sentinel Mar 31, 2018, 1:30 PM

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If you want to, sure. I'm just annoyed over someone piggybacking of someone elses hard work and being able to make dumb amounts of money off it.

fossil basalt Mar 31, 2018, 1:31 PM

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When people say "who cares?" this is the very reason we do.

tawny sentinel Mar 31, 2018, 1:31 PM

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I don't dispute that, and I acknowledge the feeling is irrational.

fervent needle Mar 31, 2018, 3:57 PM

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@serene loom it wasn’t stolen - was a false positive

soft egret Mar 31, 2018, 3:58 PM

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The CUP one was a false positive @fervent needle

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the rest wasn't

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file list showed stolen HLC, TFAR, CBA, SMA

fervent needle Mar 31, 2018, 3:59 PM

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Oh yea all that yes, but specifically what he mentioned was grouped in w/ cup false pos

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Chris thought it was cup stuff repacked and uploaded stolen by them - which wasnt the case and he saw mentions for unsung etc in the same pbo and notified others. The full mods that were ripped yes, were not false positives but not what chris stated

hybrid rock Apr 1, 2018, 3:30 PM

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I

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I'm just curious on this point. How could they make $40,000 in one week? Are they charging access to the server, or just donations? To put this in perspective 1,000 players would need to donate $40 each.

safe arrow Apr 1, 2018, 3:42 PM

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He mentioned something about getting Beta access to their server during testing phases. Propably that

fossil basalt Apr 1, 2018, 3:42 PM

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I've seen some servers charge much more than that

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Which makes it all the more painful to see them using someone else's creation to make a profit for themselves.

hybrid rock Apr 1, 2018, 3:48 PM

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Might be worth it for that amount of money to have a lawyer request damages for a few hundred

olive sparrow Apr 1, 2018, 5:20 PM

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You have to be able to prove damages

hybrid rock Apr 1, 2018, 5:48 PM

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Just talking about a demand letter, not a lawsuit

desert sparrow Apr 3, 2018, 2:50 PM

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Found same Modpack again i posted couple days ago... Reuploaded again.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1334832657

CUP - Weapons

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Its the 3th time i report this modpack.

soft egret Apr 3, 2018, 2:56 PM

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I remember his Steam profile 😄

desert sparrow Apr 3, 2018, 3:01 PM

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hes a big guy now in the Violation thing 😄

fossil basalt Apr 3, 2018, 6:22 PM

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@dull moon ☝️

dull moon Apr 3, 2018, 6:39 PM

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💣

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can't scan the item, not know to the database

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also, he does not appear in my personal list

keen trout Apr 3, 2018, 6:44 PM

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is it your naughty list?

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🎅

dull moon Apr 3, 2018, 6:46 PM

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it's my "i'm gonna crush your balls in a vice if you dare to upload this stuff again" list

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😉

keen trout Apr 3, 2018, 6:47 PM

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robot santa it is then!

tawny sentinel Apr 3, 2018, 6:51 PM

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Lmao, he removed my comment about not reuploading stuff

mint edge Apr 3, 2018, 7:25 PM

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nice

dull moon Apr 3, 2018, 7:29 PM

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I'll check it later when it is indexed by the crawler. If he has stuff in it, and since he's german, i will talk “tacheles“ with him
🔨

sinful vector Apr 3, 2018, 7:40 PM

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ArmSTALKER IP violation
https://youtu.be/zvqBpD-JwY8

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Uses content from METRO game series

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P.S. mutant models from METRO Games Series is already inside ArmSTALKER mod

coral torrent Apr 3, 2018, 8:03 PM

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@dull moon 🇩🇪 🔨 fastparrot

harsh zephyr Apr 3, 2018, 8:39 PM

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Wait, so if somebody uses assets from another game, that are also in use by another person mod you can strike it?

keen trout Apr 3, 2018, 8:44 PM

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you can report it to valve and the other game maker

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since it's normally not allowed

soft egret Apr 3, 2018, 8:54 PM

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No.
If someone uses assets they are not allowed to. You can tell valve or bohemia about it and they'll remove it

fossil basalt Apr 3, 2018, 9:16 PM

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Here’s a video that talks about consent. Yes, this video is actually about consent with regards to sex, but it does a really good job of describing what consent is and what it isn’t.
If you don’t have consent to alter someone’s work, don’t do it!! ⚠️
https://youtu.be/pZwvrxVavnQ

YouTube

Thames Valley Police

Tea and Consent

If you’re still struggling with consent just imagine instead of initiating sex you’re making them a cup of tea. Animation courtesy of Emmeline May at rocksta...

▶ Play video

fierce ocean Apr 4, 2018, 2:38 AM

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@sinful vector u need report this item directly to 4AGames, I think, that guys speaks russian, u make that easily

atomic light Apr 4, 2018, 5:11 AM

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lol. it's just a video on the youtube, we do not have Metro 2033 content. And this Realm is just a crook and hater.

river spear Apr 4, 2018, 7:13 AM

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@dull moon I'll manually update the database when I'm home

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17 o'clock or maybe an hour later if my barber takes too long

dull moon Apr 4, 2018, 7:14 AM

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🤘

soft egret Apr 4, 2018, 7:14 AM

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@atomic light I'd recommend you have a read of #rules before you comment further. Thanks.

tawny sentinel Apr 4, 2018, 9:59 AM

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We really don't tolerate petty drama here, most of us are adults.

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Take namecalling elsewhere.

olive sparrow Apr 4, 2018, 10:03 AM

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I think before getting too fired up about a mod using content themes or ideas from another game film or book, it is worth considering what you hope to achieve. Many mods and missions published for arma and also any other moddable game will inevitably mimic some other scenario like star wars or toy soldiers or apocalypse now or halo etc. If someone makes a free mod and it contains themes or content or ideas that relate to or derive from a copyrighted material it is up to the owner to decide whether or not to take enforcement action. Many mods operate with a fair use kind of approach, as they are small and relatively insignificant and not commercial. It isnt worth the effort of enforcing your license on a small non com mod. But if a mod is being used commercially then its a different story. Also if say a life server is commercially exploiting your arma non com mod content AND abusing a movie or game from elsewhere, then as part of YOUR enforcement action it may be worth reporting them. Just offering an opinion to balance things out

fossil basalt Apr 4, 2018, 10:15 AM

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It’s one thing to create things inspired by another (100% your work), but quite another to take someone else’s content.

olive sparrow Apr 4, 2018, 10:21 AM

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In reality some things will get enforced and others wont. I was talking to a colleague at a major game studio recently and they have a map making competition where they give payment to modders for making new maps. One map maker has made a map using sounds from a popular war movie. The game producer is not bothered by that much at all.

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Obviously they wouldn’t use that content commercially, but they were not fired up about removing it either.

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This is typical of the pragmatic approach you see in the games business

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I also have colleagues in the hollywood production company who own rights to the film the map was using music from. Their POV is that it isnt a threat to their wealth or position, but if it was very visible or earning money they would issue a C&D

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They wouldnt sue for damages only stop the mod from getting bigger or earning money

fossil basalt Apr 4, 2018, 10:40 AM

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I see where you’re coming from, but you also have to realise that those who take others’ content (at least in Arma) will see your example and (attempt to) use that as justification for theft. If we were dealing with intelligent people, they would understand that as “a few people’s feelings” on the subject, whereas the content thieves see it as “they say it’s ok, so it must be”. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.

olive sparrow Apr 4, 2018, 11:31 AM

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Yeah agreed. I got pretty worked up about arma 3 life back in the day. We got them banned and shamed as far as we could go, but the third party games never once lifted a finger. Am only offering advice based on real practicalities. I’ll happily help a mod author protect his content.

dull moon Apr 4, 2018, 12:08 PM

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Sometimes i wish i could settle disputes like in the old days...
“you spilled my beer, you buy me a new one!“ - “no, i won't...“ - “let's go outside and see who's buying the next round...!“

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🍻

olive sparrow Apr 4, 2018, 12:13 PM

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Yeah take it to the trees... like in the military

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Its a good idea to pick fights you can at least get a favourable result from even if you dont win outright

hybrid rock Apr 4, 2018, 3:34 PM

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Buying the next round Chris? I assume you are paying for the ammo of our duel this time.

dull moon Apr 4, 2018, 3:39 PM

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i am the one getting payed. a lotta #350s 😉

kind sand Apr 5, 2018, 2:51 AM

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How would one have rights to something they made, then lose them?
🤔

hallow lark Apr 5, 2018, 5:04 AM

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If Taviana is on steam, it's a good bet it will get removed before too long. Martin comes back from time to time to clean up the uploads. There is no authorised A3 version of Taviana.

mint edge Apr 5, 2018, 5:06 AM

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anybody can upload anything to steam

hallow lark Apr 5, 2018, 5:06 AM

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oh god, who let mike in?

mint edge Apr 5, 2018, 5:06 AM

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i still lurk

hallow lark Apr 5, 2018, 6:00 AM

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No idea. I just know he pops in from time to time to check the workshop.

compact merlin Apr 5, 2018, 6:05 AM

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@low pebble If you search for Martin, you can fiend him on Pandemic (Origins SA) Discord

fossil basalt Apr 5, 2018, 6:26 AM

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There is a long post about Martin and Tavania (can't remember where at the moment though). I'll try to find it today. You are correct in that Tavania is not publicly available. If you see it publicly available, at the very least use the Steam Workshop report button.

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Also, his name is -martin- on the Forum if you wish to contact the author there.

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"You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar"

willow star Apr 5, 2018, 11:02 AM

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Vinegar and drop of dishsoap works wonders against flies

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Had a little problem with fruitflies, vinegar solved it in a few days

echo orchid Apr 5, 2018, 4:45 PM

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[5:18 AM] TheFlyingDutchMan: ( arma 3 )
[5:26 AM] TheFlyingDutchMan: Or at least lost the rights to the map...
[5:51 AM] LorenLuke: How would one have rights to something they made, then lose them?
:thinking:
[7:16 AM] TheFlyingDutchMan: Bis gave him the rights to do it under certain terms maybe?
[7:16 AM] TheFlyingDutchMan: I dunno i just know it got removed or something and i thought i stumbled upon a illegal reupload on steam.```
lol, how can you loose IP rights? It's your work, if you do not allow forward porting, it's 100% up to the author @low pebble

tawny sentinel Apr 5, 2018, 4:46 PM

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Nope

dull moon Apr 5, 2018, 4:47 PM

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i dunno... like 12ish or so?

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😄

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what did you expect? a "welcome and you are right" hamper? 😂

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not really 😄

tawny sentinel Apr 5, 2018, 4:53 PM

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Those frigging up to no good Germans

dull moon Apr 5, 2018, 4:53 PM

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oh, watch your steps...

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@tawny sentinel

tawny sentinel Apr 5, 2018, 4:53 PM

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Or what? You'll send some angry waveforms my way in 24 bit?

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😄

echo orchid Apr 5, 2018, 4:54 PM

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@tawny sentinel ups generalization, no bueno

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@low pebble there is little you can do without IP rights

tawny sentinel Apr 5, 2018, 4:55 PM

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It's a joke since a certain someone is German ^^

echo orchid Apr 5, 2018, 4:55 PM

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waste of time if you ask me

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ohh, crawler is down @river spear

tawny sentinel Apr 5, 2018, 4:56 PM

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Think he was manually refreshing it last I heard

echo orchid Apr 5, 2018, 4:56 PM

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@low pebble wrong turn, but do what you wish with yout own time

tawny sentinel Apr 5, 2018, 4:57 PM

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Nevermind PuFu, you're right. Like usual ^^

river spear Apr 5, 2018, 4:57 PM

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@echo orchid moving my stuff to a new box i rented

fossil basalt Apr 5, 2018, 5:44 PM

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@low pebble as PuFu is one of the resident experts on IP rights, when he speaks, others listen.

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Might want to find a Discord where people eat Tide pods then. Here we appreciate subject matter experts.

dull moon Apr 5, 2018, 5:56 PM

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🍿

fossil basalt Apr 5, 2018, 5:57 PM

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As one of the Moderators, I think I’ll stay.

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Ok, bye

grand oyster Apr 5, 2018, 6:02 PM

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who kicked off 😮

soft egret Apr 5, 2018, 6:02 PM

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no one

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alteast not anymore someone

grand oyster Apr 5, 2018, 6:02 PM

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I see who it was

soft egret Apr 5, 2018, 6:03 PM

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didn't even make sense. He didn't really do much wrong... But then just started trolling FM for no reason

fossil basalt Apr 5, 2018, 6:03 PM

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It was the trolling that did it.

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Its one thing to have been here awhile and people know when you're joking or not. But when you give a new user legitimate advice and then they act like a fool... we know how that ends.

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(Soft Ban in this case)

vast notch Apr 5, 2018, 9:19 PM

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From what I remember about Taviana, it was never officially ported to Arma 3, someone ported it over without permission from Martin, when Martin found out about the port, he requested it taken down and asked no one to host a server using it. It is now part of a new game Pandemik The Origins

errant drum Apr 5, 2018, 10:05 PM

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@fossil basalt I couldn't react with the tidepod emoji, sadface

olive sparrow Apr 6, 2018, 12:27 AM

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oh wow on unreal engine huh? good for them!

ocean cloud Apr 6, 2018, 12:52 AM

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Hi everyone, the bad guy is here (as Tony Montana infamously said) 😃

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Well he said something long those lines 😃

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I was told by TheFlyingDutchMan that ArmA 3 has a Discord now and that someone has ported my Taviana Island to ArmA 3 again, and since I'm tired of having to contact Steam about it I was wondering if there is anything that can be done about it by Bohemia?

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Are there any moderators here I could speak to?

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Guess not, well, time to a beer and hit the sack. 😃

carmine folio Apr 6, 2018, 2:43 AM

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@-Martin-#9936 I do not believe moderators are going to do anything mate. You will probably have to go through Steam as usual

dull moon Apr 6, 2018, 5:36 AM

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@ocean cloud
Since BI holds no rights on your terrain there is nothing much they can do. You can write an email to the adress given in the channel topic, and when they get to it they can mark it as “incompatible“, but not remove it.

soft egret Apr 6, 2018, 5:47 AM

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Or you could give someone in here written permission to DMCA A3 ports of your Terrain on Steam @ocean cloud
If anyone is willing to create even more DMCA's than they already do ^^

fossil basalt Apr 6, 2018, 7:16 AM

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I’ve messaged him directly

olive sparrow Apr 6, 2018, 8:16 AM

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I've actually had Valve staff email me before, during a DMCA to clarify a point. they usually respond within 3 days and fully take down any offenders. I think a key factor affecting speed is being able to point to your IP hosted elsewhere with a clear no steam (or no arma in this case) license applied to it. keep a set of prewritten text and just paste it into each DMCA.

dull moon Apr 6, 2018, 8:24 AM

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☝

ocean cloud Apr 6, 2018, 1:33 PM

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Thanks for your help guys, I've read a bit of this discussion and it seems that a lot of guys are having the same problems like me. I guess I will just have to keep DMCAing them. 😃

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@echo orchid You work for Bohemia now? 😯

soft egret Apr 6, 2018, 1:35 PM

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This whole channel is kinda dedicated to people who are having the same problems as you 😄

ocean cloud Apr 6, 2018, 1:36 PM

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Yeah I know that. 😃 I'm just surprised by the ammount of people, sure ain't like the days of OFP thats for damn sure.

soft egret Apr 6, 2018, 1:37 PM

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And this is the 10th most active channel of this discord. Right between #arma3_tools and #arma3_scenario

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Life Mods certainly brought some new activity to this channel

ocean cloud Apr 6, 2018, 1:38 PM

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😃 😃 Looks like the old days are definetly gone then

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I'm gonna go check out the terrain makers channel and see if any of the old guys are still alive. 😃

echo orchid Apr 6, 2018, 1:45 PM

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@ocean cloud hmmm...nope, did some work as external, not atm though

ocean cloud Apr 6, 2018, 1:46 PM

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Oh 😃 damn so we won't see any Napoleon DLC or what era those addons you used to make were 😃

echo orchid Apr 6, 2018, 2:04 PM

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i think you confuse me with someone else 😉

tulip nexus Apr 6, 2018, 2:09 PM

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ProfTournesol?

ocean cloud Apr 6, 2018, 2:30 PM

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Oh yeah, my bad 😂 You're right it was ProfTournesol who made those addons

river spear Apr 6, 2018, 2:38 PM

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@ocean cloud Still remember me? Probably the most known dmca case lol

ocean cloud Apr 6, 2018, 2:40 PM

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😂 I thought I held that most infamous title but congratulations you beat me. What case did you have?

river spear Apr 6, 2018, 2:40 PM

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Remember Desolation? :P

ocean cloud Apr 6, 2018, 2:41 PM

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Oooh yeah 😃

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How did that end up by the way? 😃

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Oooh yeah I remember you now 😂

river spear Apr 6, 2018, 2:43 PM

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I let it die after moving away from Taviana, did not feel like working on it anymore

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Was no your fault though :P Was just my personal burnout

ocean cloud Apr 6, 2018, 2:45 PM

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😃 yeah a lot of people don't realize how much effort making mods takes

soft egret Apr 6, 2018, 2:48 PM

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cough yes cough

faint nacelle Apr 6, 2018, 3:22 PM

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effort?

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https://i.imgur.com/snLplqq.jpg

Imgur

i made this little comic, hope you like it

clear pike Apr 6, 2018, 3:33 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1353491173&searchtext=

ocean cloud Apr 6, 2018, 3:35 PM

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😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

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Thats a funny picture @faint nacelle

faint nacelle Apr 6, 2018, 3:38 PM

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back when I first time saw it, I really really thought it fits perfectly the "garrysmod modder generation" mentality

clever saddle Apr 7, 2018, 4:01 AM

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Is it against a policy for a server admin to share my IP address with other players ?

grand oyster Apr 7, 2018, 4:26 AM

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No, it's looked down upon though

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If it was merely an Admin, you could point it out to the owner, he might have a different thought

clever saddle Apr 7, 2018, 5:53 AM

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Thank you for your response

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Does anyone no of a good gaming VPN. I don’t feel comfortable playing arma anymore

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Know*

olive sparrow Apr 7, 2018, 8:55 AM

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this is the wrong channel mate, maybe try #server_admins

river spear Apr 7, 2018, 11:32 AM

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@clever saddle Proton vpn

sturdy forum Apr 8, 2018, 9:49 AM

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Is this the correct section to ask questions relating to legal terms and conditions when it comes to the usage of custom made mods?

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Licenses*

manic laurel Apr 8, 2018, 9:51 AM

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it is

sturdy forum Apr 8, 2018, 9:52 AM

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Okay, so I've wrote some basic terms and conditions (license) for the use of my custom made add-ons and would like to know if it would cover me.

manic laurel Apr 8, 2018, 9:52 AM

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custom made add-ons = ?

sturdy forum Apr 8, 2018, 9:52 AM

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mods for Arma 3

manic laurel Apr 8, 2018, 9:53 AM

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you created the 3D model, the config, and you are uploading something that is 100% your own creation?

sturdy forum Apr 8, 2018, 9:53 AM

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Yes

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Well in this case it's an pack of animations

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that only includes some .rtm files, a config (obviously) and some functions (.sqf) to go with it,

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Which was created 100% by myself.

manic laurel Apr 8, 2018, 9:55 AM

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ok, perfect!well, depending on what you wrote and that it respects A3 mods conditions, you write your rules 🙂

sturdy forum Apr 8, 2018, 9:55 AM

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Could I possibly show them to get your opinion? Seeming I have no clue really when it comes to legal terms.

manic laurel Apr 8, 2018, 9:56 AM

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same, but this is still the right channel 😄

sturdy forum Apr 8, 2018, 9:57 AM

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a) The appropriate amount of credit is to be displayed in a public manner.
b) The content has been allowed (permission) for you to use by Nicholas Jo’Foski.
c) The server is not registered under Bohemia Interactive "Monetization" program. (Unless allowed by Nicholas Jo’Foski)
d) The content (nor any of its parts) is not used in any other add-on or mod (not even partially).
e) The content (nor any of its parts) is not to be modified or altered in any way. 
f) The content (nor any of its parts) is not be used for commercial gain.
Any infringements will be dealt with as per Title 17 U.S Code 512, or any other governing legislation that may apply.

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Pretty sure that will do the trick, seeming I only want people to use my mods ONLY with my permission, and not allowed to be modified/altered in anyway. As well as credits etc.

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But anyone feel free to let me know if anything should be changed or removed.

soft egret Apr 8, 2018, 10:34 AM

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It would be safer I think if you use a existing license.
Rule c is already taked care of by the Bohemia Monetization rules. Server admins have to ask every mod owner if they can use their mod afaik.
And do you really want that every Arma unit leader has to ask you to put your mod into their Arma3Sync repository? Because they 100% won't do that ^^

echo orchid Apr 8, 2018, 10:56 AM

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a. too vague
b. you cannot restric public use unless it is commercial or any other type
c. vague, there are servers not registered for monetization that still monetize content - do not link your license to something you have no control over

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otherwise i would use a proper license as base - CC licenses or BI ones and go from there

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@sturdy forum

sturdy forum Apr 8, 2018, 11:09 AM

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Okay sweet I'll definitely do that, but all I need to do is have it inside of a text file inside of my pbo correct?

soft egret Apr 8, 2018, 11:10 AM

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no

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no one will unpack your pbo to look at a possible license inside it. Also if your license forbids modifying. Why would anyone unpack it

sturdy forum Apr 8, 2018, 11:11 AM

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You mentioned that no one will also ask me for permission to use it...

soft egret Apr 8, 2018, 11:11 AM

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true

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And as PuFu said you cannot restric public use unless it is commercial or any other type

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You have a @Mod folder right?
Just put the license directly into that.

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and name it LICENSE. By doing that anyone that would want to unpack your pbo has to go through that folder first. And will see that there is a license

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Also clearly show everywhere where your mod can be downloaded that there is a license on it

sturdy forum Apr 8, 2018, 11:13 AM

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True. however you mention commercial use. I didn't know that you were allowed to sell mods.

soft egret Apr 8, 2018, 11:13 AM

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you aren't.

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You cannot sell anything that was made using Arma Tools.

sturdy forum Apr 8, 2018, 11:15 AM

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Yer thought so, just it double crossed my mind when PuFu mentioned commercial use.

soft egret Apr 8, 2018, 11:15 AM

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I think he means monetized servers that use your mod

sturdy forum Apr 8, 2018, 11:15 AM

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That's most likely it.

fossil basalt Apr 8, 2018, 11:45 AM

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As they say, its never wise to wrap your own.

One thing I'd like to point out, you are giving people way too much credit (in assuming that they'll read the license). Once they see that someone has used it, all logic will go "out the window".

olive sparrow Apr 8, 2018, 4:19 PM

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feel free to adapt this template i made

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http://svn.armanam.eu/ftp/eggbeast/unsung/docs/License/License Agreement2.doc

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use any part of it you wish. it's a CC license with some extra definitions, and references to background / connected BI license conditions

hybrid rock Apr 8, 2018, 4:43 PM

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I would avoid the CC licenses as they weren't designed for software. They are also binding, so you can't back out of them once you decide to slap that on there

desert sparrow Apr 9, 2018, 5:25 PM

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Using RHS

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1351231889

echo orchid Apr 12, 2018, 9:53 PM

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@Rapumpel#7222 cheers, was waiting on the crawler to be back to batch (well, manual batch that is) DMCA the offenders

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@dull moon crawler is back, noticed some CUPPy goodies about

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what me to DMCA instead? since the merger should be the same thing 😃

dull moon Apr 12, 2018, 10:09 PM

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Well, you could, but where is my fun then? 🤔 😜

echo orchid Apr 12, 2018, 10:28 PM

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🙃

olive sparrow Apr 13, 2018, 10:41 AM

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fun? did someone say fun? i'll have a big box please.

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does it need a physx lod?

tawny sentinel Apr 13, 2018, 11:05 AM

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Every day PhysX is mentioned the collective ARMA modding community gains a tiny bit of higher blood pressure 😄

olive sparrow Apr 13, 2018, 11:18 AM

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oh wow the crawler found some re-uploads of our own yaaayyy!

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Altislife Sincity Thailand 2 (v0.3)

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1352963220

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uses 411 of our files - awesome!

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and they LIST the mods they repacked - that's helpful

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Credit mod in server
Burnes Armories - MK10 Landing Craft Utility (LCU)
ASN Motobike Pack [Beta]
ASN Core
The_Unsung_Vietnam_War_Mod
Altis Life Italia Revolution

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"well thanks so much for the credit, but you're getting DMCA'd"

silent patrol Apr 16, 2018, 11:22 AM

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Hey so a server called Project Silverlake brought rights for the Nopixel files from a contributor, but the original owner of Nopixel has plans to file a DMCA as they are using all of nopixel files. How will this go down?

soft egret Apr 16, 2018, 11:24 AM

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The rightful author has the rights on his stuff

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If the server guys that bought them don't have a written statement by the rightful author that allows them to use them then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

tawny sentinel Apr 16, 2018, 11:39 AM

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Do you mean all in a literal sense?

grand oyster Apr 16, 2018, 11:46 AM

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I'd assume the creator of their own files have the ability to sell rights to content they created as long as there wasn't a contract of some sort with Nopixel

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

soft egret Apr 16, 2018, 11:55 AM

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you can probably counter-claim the DMCA if you really bought the rights to use it from the author. But you need to prove that you did that.

willow star Apr 16, 2018, 1:26 PM

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It all depends on what kind of agreement was made between the contributor and the owner.

pallid epoch Apr 16, 2018, 1:27 PM

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that's hilarious to me

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a life server that steals assets want to file a DMCA takedown for content stealing

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LUL

dull moon Apr 16, 2018, 1:28 PM

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Easy going: don't but stuff...

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🤷

pallid epoch Apr 16, 2018, 1:28 PM

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"Easy going: don't but stuff..."- chris 2018

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but, not even once 😄

dull moon Apr 16, 2018, 1:29 PM

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Not for arma, especially if the Source is unclear

silent patrol Apr 16, 2018, 1:35 PM

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It's not me who's getting claimed, just a player on the server who heard it was getting DMCA'ed. As far as I'm aware this person they brought the rights from has very little involvement in the scripting and mainly the moddelling however he sold the rights for the map, mission and all other associated stuff. Koil (The nopixel founder) still runs Nopixel as a GTA V server, so technically everything that has nopixel on it is his, right?

soft egret Apr 16, 2018, 1:40 PM

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depends. The stuff generally belongs to the authors. Him being the founder of nopixel doesn't mean he made all the models.
Unless the model authors gave their rights to him

pallid epoch Apr 16, 2018, 1:46 PM

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considering what I see when I search for arma 3 twitch streams, and the amount of vehicles without uv mapping I can safely say there's stolen shit right there.

silent patrol Apr 16, 2018, 2:03 PM

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The model authors are barely even model authors, they just rip it straight out of GTA V lol

soft egret Apr 16, 2018, 2:04 PM

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So your server is knowingly using ripped models then?

silent patrol Apr 16, 2018, 2:05 PM

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Its not my server 😡 I just play there and am curious if its going to be taken down by DMCA soon

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I've only played there literally twice, the owners have made literally thousands using all of nopixels files because someone who contributed to development gave them "rights". I think the situation is just a massive joke. How these servers manage to get on the monetization list baffles me

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And its not like this project silverlake is using some nopixel files, They are using all models, textures, map, mission, database and everything. It's all copied and pasted.

pallid epoch Apr 16, 2018, 2:08 PM

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that's literally 99% of life servers tho

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nopixel itself shouldn't have gotten on the monetization list

silent patrol Apr 16, 2018, 2:09 PM

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I don't think they did

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I've never seen a life server using copied and pasted content to this extent and make this much money. I've seen life servers with stolen assets sure, but not literal identical copies. 🤷

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Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing how this DMCA goes down.

soft egret Apr 16, 2018, 2:41 PM

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I know it's not your server.
But now that it's kinda known that they use ripped models and are monetized. I'd say they won't stay monetized for much longer.

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They are even running asdg_jr twice. One very outdated version. and one current version. GG. Their modpack is quite big 😄

tawny sentinel Apr 16, 2018, 2:50 PM

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Wait... They didn't even remove a older version? O_o @soft egret

fair rune Apr 16, 2018, 2:54 PM

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Well yeah, lifers totally know what they're doing

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It's not like they can create their own content or something.

hallow frigate Apr 16, 2018, 3:01 PM

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Still waiting for Rockstar to set up monetization rules. They're right now having the same problems with life communities as we did / do. Probably one of the reason why they did forbid mods for a while... until the shitstorm had to come.

hybrid rock Apr 16, 2018, 5:12 PM

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I wonder why the life community specifically has such a problem when it at least doesn't seem that the other communities within arma do. Could just be that the milsim and such have very little incentive to rip because rhs, cup, and ace provide everything they need for the most part

fair rune Apr 16, 2018, 5:14 PM

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@hybrid rock Well, just take a look at the player demographic and that may explain a little more

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Because most of the rhs rips i see are "i just want one mod for everything" instead of making a collection, or with proper permissions i guess you could make a arma 3 sync repos.

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although if i remember correctly both rhs and cup licenses indicate you can't reupload anywhere

novel goblet Apr 16, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Reading RHS's license, you can upload it anywhere but Steam Workshop. But you may not distribute your own modified version.

fair rune Apr 16, 2018, 5:59 PM

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Yep, there we go :+1:

olive sparrow Apr 16, 2018, 9:42 PM

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same for us. don't change the packaging or name, don't add remove or modify. don't charge for access (without specific written permission - and there would have to be exceptional circumstances)

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there will always come these guys who say "screw your license, i'm doing this for the community" lol

tawny sentinel Apr 16, 2018, 9:44 PM

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"I am violating the community creators IP rights for the community"

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That's some circular logic if I've ever seen any.

clear mulch Apr 16, 2018, 11:02 PM

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no thats a pile of poo not logic

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I want my 5 minutes of glory and some quick cash if possible, I want to be admired even for that small time window until I get shotdown by DMCA. That is probably why they do it. That and being smartass ofc

fossil basalt Apr 16, 2018, 11:50 PM

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Seriously going to rain on someone's parade 😉

dull moon Apr 16, 2018, 11:55 PM

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rain on someone's parade
now the real question:
what is the "rain" made of? 😉

fossil basalt Apr 16, 2018, 11:58 PM

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DMCA's

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though I do have to piss

grand oyster Apr 17, 2018, 6:35 AM

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😂

olive sparrow Apr 17, 2018, 8:15 AM

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every community has a set of rules to bind it together. new people wandering in fro mthe wilderness have to take a little time to get civilised. take a bath, get a shave, feed their horse, then get shot in the saloon kinda thing.

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i always (always? well maybe often) try to educate them before i reach for my bigiron. but if they've already made 20 grand off of someones work, it's a little too late for peaceful solutions.

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what most of these guys fail to realise is that mods tend to come in two main categories - uniquely made wholly owned work and collections of content with many authors/ licenses behind it

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we're in the latter category. which means it's a complicated arrangement to allow use, transfer, adaptation etc of any of our content. someone recently asked if they could have our jeep. I asked which jeep. took him a while to answer that, as we have 3 different models by 3 different authors. so it comes down to the one we had donated to us from turbosquid. well we don't consider our team and his team as a single entity, as we don't regularly collaborate, so he'd have to go buy his own license for the shell. then it has 3 different weapons on it, each made by a different author. then my config, and some BI textures and components added.

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so in order to use that jeep he'll need a turbosquid license and permission from the 3 weapon authors, and for me to allow him to use my config he could say swap back the texture work he's planning. that would be right and fair.

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i don't imagine he'll bother, but i laid it all out for him with a full set of contact details.

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so when a "life mod of the month" project rolls in and takes our jeep (like that guy the other day) well, then he's leaving town in a box. the DMCA happens to prottect our content sure, but it mainly happens to protect our reputation with all of the authors we collaborate with.

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that relationship is more valuable to the community hell, you might even say that IS the community.

mild cobalt Apr 17, 2018, 9:34 AM

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Hello, gentlemen. Can someone clarify - the mod packs with the third party addons are forbidden on steam at any rate or there could be any exeptions?

languid fog Apr 17, 2018, 9:36 AM

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@mild cobalt You can upload anything to steam as long as its YOUR OWN CREATION or you have PERMISSION from the author of the mod>

Thats the general gist of it. Experts if I'm missing anything be sure to tell em

mild cobalt Apr 17, 2018, 9:37 AM

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so, if the one contacts the addon autor and have some proof of his permission, mod pack wouldn't be deleted?

languid fog Apr 17, 2018, 9:40 AM

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Correct. If you have permission from the ORIGINAL mod author to upload their work, and can provide that proof when someone asks, you should be good

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However the permission is only granted to YOU (unless specifically stated)

tawny sentinel Apr 17, 2018, 9:44 AM

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@mild cobalt You are not allowed to host modpacks as a third party unless you've gained explicit permission from every author who licensed the original pack to the uploader unless otherwise stated.

mild cobalt Apr 17, 2018, 9:44 AM

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Thanks for the answer

tawny sentinel Apr 17, 2018, 9:46 AM

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I'm sure someone more knowledgeable will chime in who knows it in and out during the day so keep a eye out @mild cobalt

olive sparrow Apr 17, 2018, 10:07 AM

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it's worth checking the license that comes with the mod. for example ours states "hosting in other places is permitted so long as you retain it in its original form, complete with license and all parts, names and links, with no changes, additions or deletions. But ut also says "do not re-upload to steam." If there is no license, then you must instead speak to the author directly.

tulip nexus Apr 17, 2018, 10:32 AM

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The clauses about re-hosting are generally only aimed at those hosting the file themselves i.e. community hosts or private repos as a second party. Uploading other perople's stuff to workshop is asking Valve to host it for you (i.e. Valve is now a third party). Valve themselves require that you are either the rights hold (first party) or are acting on behalf of the first party

echo orchid Apr 17, 2018, 11:10 AM

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they are actually asking for IP rights according to Steam Agreement

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“permission” has no legal grounds btw

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*We are not the creators of the addons included 
Credits to the Addon creators*```
http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/
```D. Representations and Warranties

You represent and warrant to us that you have sufficient rights in all User Generated Content to grant Valve and other affected parties the licenses described under A. and B. above or in any license terms specific to the applicable Workshop-Enabled App or Workshop page. This includes, without limitation, any kind of intellectual property rights or other proprietary or personal rights affected by or included in the User Generated Content. In particular, with respect to Workshop Contributions, you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors).

You furthermore represent and warrant that the User Generated Content, your submission of that Content, and your granting of rights in that Content does not violate any applicable contract, law or regulation.```

Steam Subscriber Agreement

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in short, even without some rockstart type DMCAing you, steam can take legal action by itself because you are breaching their agreement

tawny sentinel Apr 17, 2018, 11:34 AM

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@ocean cloud https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1359976318

keen trout Apr 17, 2018, 11:50 AM

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@river spear accounts reseted for the workshop crawler?

echo orchid Apr 17, 2018, 11:50 AM

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yes

tawny sentinel Apr 17, 2018, 11:54 AM

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Due to a unfortunate bug IIRC

river spear Apr 17, 2018, 11:55 AM

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I made a major change and sadly it wasn't compatible with the old data

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However that shouldn't happen anymore

echo orchid Apr 17, 2018, 11:58 AM

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👍

tawny sentinel Apr 17, 2018, 11:59 AM

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And yes I recognize that "permission" or "consent" according to the steam EULA doesn't hold any legal ground and whoever uploads it risk being suspended indefintiviely for breaking their EULA, but I question(as a layman and generally someone who knows fuck all about IP laws) what sorts of legal action steam can take when the violation very much is dependant on a third party, but I'd have to look at what sort of precedent exists there, if any.

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In a literal sense, you are very much correct and the above isn't a refutation about the overall point you're making PuFu, which I very much agree with when it comes to brass tacks.

echo orchid Apr 17, 2018, 12:57 PM

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doubt that Steam will take legal action against a 3rd party unless there is some damage of sorts. That said, it can simply remove whatever you published if you do not abbide by their agreement, in fact it is legally obligated to do just that if notified/or has information that said content is breaching a law, contract etc

tawny sentinel Apr 17, 2018, 1:04 PM

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Yeah of course, when we move out of the hypothetically could take legal action about someone reuploading another person's work unto their platform by a third party into reality, the outcome of legal repercussions seems... Less than likely.

echo orchid Apr 17, 2018, 2:04 PM

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📎 image.png

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lol

tawny sentinel Apr 17, 2018, 2:12 PM

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Sigh, of course the one time I actually want to use Twitter it doesn't load.

sinful geode Apr 17, 2018, 2:28 PM

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The whole thing seems to be down

dull moon Apr 17, 2018, 3:40 PM

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One way to download the mods is, but the game and use the WS...

soft egret Apr 17, 2018, 3:41 PM

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You cannot play arma without steam.

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So he didn't buy it at all

echo orchid Apr 17, 2018, 3:41 PM

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^^

dull moon Apr 17, 2018, 3:41 PM

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What i was refering to 😉

river spear Apr 17, 2018, 3:41 PM

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You're saying but instead of buy quite often 😂

clear mulch Apr 17, 2018, 3:42 PM

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is their retail disk version sold anywhere while there?
if so one needs to install from disk and/or add the key to steam so it gets linked to his account

soft egret Apr 17, 2018, 3:42 PM

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I heard of someone buying a retail disk once yeah.
He was ripped off.

clear mulch Apr 17, 2018, 3:42 PM

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doesnt say if he bought the key or disk, thats why Im mentioning

echo orchid Apr 17, 2018, 3:42 PM

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only digital

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afaik you can only get A3 from steam and bi store and no where else

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might be wrong here though

soft egret Apr 17, 2018, 3:43 PM

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you can buy keys from lots of other platforms

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but it's all steam then

clear mulch Apr 17, 2018, 3:43 PM

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yeah thats all digital

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oh he asked if he can get rhs mods somewhere else other than steam, oic.. arrr :sparrow:

echo orchid Apr 17, 2018, 3:47 PM

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duh 😄

mild cobalt Apr 17, 2018, 4:02 PM

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there were dvd version at alpha release in russia

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it cost something like 10 bucks

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or may be i am worng about aplha stage actually

dull moon Apr 17, 2018, 4:30 PM

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Alpha and bravo where pre-release. If one had a hard copy, he had to buy the final game anyway. Not If one bought the alpha in steam for 25ish with a free copy of the final game
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Iirc

soft egret Apr 17, 2018, 4:31 PM

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hard copy of a alpha?
Sounds russian to me yeah.

mild cobalt Apr 17, 2018, 4:40 PM

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yep i were probly wrong sorry

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preety much time passed since the release

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we all grown older

soft egret Apr 17, 2018, 4:42 PM

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No. I actually believe that russians sold hard copies.
just like they share their awesome mods on steam workshop that they made themselves

blissful arch Apr 18, 2018, 2:18 PM

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Just quick info, If I create a map, and someone takes it and modifies stuff , is ip rights violations ?

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I have someone taking my map, not changing the map name or anything and calling it his own ?

soft egret Apr 18, 2018, 2:21 PM

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Yes. That definetly is a rights violation

dull moon Apr 18, 2018, 2:21 PM

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http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/079/173/ed2.png

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That's a violation for sure

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@blissful arch
What is your map?

blissful arch Apr 18, 2018, 2:22 PM

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Im making a small island called Eden Island

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he wanted a preview. an

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and now he says hes gunna use it and just "change some stuff"

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I just let him know, and he laughed at me

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https://steamcommunity.com/id/MatthewLongtime1224/ this guy xD

soft egret Apr 18, 2018, 2:24 PM

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You can't really do more than calling the police. And I don't think they'll care. But you can take down all his uploads as soon as he uploads it somewhere. Or contact BI in case he uses it on a monetized server

blissful arch Apr 18, 2018, 2:24 PM

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hes gunna make a life server with it apparently.

dull moon Apr 18, 2018, 2:25 PM

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hehehe, BURN IT WITH FIRE

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(DMCA)

blissful arch Apr 18, 2018, 2:25 PM

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yup

dull moon Apr 18, 2018, 2:25 PM

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is your map on steam workshop?

blissful arch Apr 18, 2018, 2:25 PM

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not yet,

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it will be when its finished 😄

dull moon Apr 18, 2018, 2:25 PM

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do it now, but as private

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easier for valve to work the DMCA

blissful arch Apr 18, 2018, 2:26 PM

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will do 😄

dull moon Apr 18, 2018, 2:26 PM

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👍

blissful arch Apr 18, 2018, 2:36 PM

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sorted

river spear Apr 18, 2018, 2:40 PM

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In theory wouldnt adding the workshop crawler steam account and then uploading your map as friends only allow the workshop crawler to find it and index it as well to allow creators to search for workshop reuploads in case their own item is not available on steam workshop?

blissful arch Apr 18, 2018, 2:42 PM

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I have no idea xD

keen trout Apr 18, 2018, 2:55 PM

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@river spear it can be downloaded using the same account at least, I guess it will apply for friends as well with friend sharing

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not sure if I tested our autotest tool with friends only workshop items using our test account or my own...

blissful arch Apr 18, 2018, 3:06 PM

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maybe would also work adding as contributor ? so could keep it private ?

river spear Apr 18, 2018, 3:07 PM

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Hmmm that might work

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@blissful arch

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I assume you can only add friends as a contributor ?

blissful arch Apr 18, 2018, 3:11 PM

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I dont know, pm me the account ill try it

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oh yeah it is friends only

soft egret Apr 20, 2018, 8:07 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1310791055
contains a uhao.ebo?

scenic swallow Apr 20, 2018, 8:14 AM

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https://coyote-exile.com/index.php?/store/category/2-arma-3-exile-premium/

Imma just drop this here.

soft egret Apr 20, 2018, 8:21 AM

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https://coyote-exile.com/index.php?/store/product/9-mse-3-marid-wheeled-apc/ Does that affect gameplay?
https://coyote-exile.com/index.php?/store/product/10-afv-4-gorgon-wheeled-apc/ Does that affect gameplay?
https://coyote-exile.com/index.php?/store/product/11-viper-gear/ not allowed if you also get the viper Nightvision/Thermal helmets with that (which the preview pictures implies) which offer a clear gameplay advantage. And if others cannot get these.

But overall https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/approved/arma3 They are not approved.
I'd say send email to infringements@bistudio.com or bistudio.net now? I think .net is the new domain.

gaunt geode Apr 20, 2018, 8:27 AM

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that's a lot of setup for an exile server which has an average population of 1 player

scenic swallow Apr 20, 2018, 8:56 AM

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I already sent the email. And yea, the marid / gorgon would likely affect gameplay, as would giving people rep / poptabs for $ lol

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I just figured tossing it here might make the process slightly quicker 😛

soft egret Apr 20, 2018, 8:58 AM

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I don't think rep/poptabs really affects gameplay. Yeah they can progress faster. But nothing that anyone else couldn't get

coral torrent Apr 20, 2018, 8:59 AM

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Well its the same mechanism as $ in Altis Life which has always been claimed to affect the gameplay

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BI only allows things that could never even remotely have any influence

pallid epoch Apr 20, 2018, 9:03 AM

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 Premium VIPER Gear with unique features:
- Full-Screen Night Vision built-in.
- Full-Screen Thermo Vision built-in.

Notice the "premium"....

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if that's not an advantage I don't know what is

coral torrent Apr 20, 2018, 9:07 AM

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Next thing they might add is - Full-Screen Godmode

scenic swallow Apr 20, 2018, 9:11 AM

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I mean. I will admit his site looks p nice. But god damn

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Violatin like a motherfucker

dull moon Apr 20, 2018, 9:13 AM

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looks nice? cluttered AF if you ask me 😄

tawny sentinel Apr 20, 2018, 9:13 AM

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Same template as BI's, at least on mobile I believe.

scenic swallow Apr 20, 2018, 9:13 AM

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I meant the banners more than anything else

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Its Invision so its not difficult

carmine folio Apr 20, 2018, 3:01 PM

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@soft egret Pop Tabs and rep would as it allows the player to purchase in game gear more easily than a person who can get it normally. Sometimes they also have access to items that are otherwise unattainable due to the amount of ingame currency required

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Unless Bi doesn’t care about ingame currency

narrow topaz Apr 20, 2018, 3:05 PM

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They do

fierce ocean Apr 23, 2018, 7:48 PM

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When a complaint is filed against a mod, the notification will be sent to the email immediately or after a while?

dull moon Apr 23, 2018, 8:59 PM

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Can take up to several days, depending on Valve. They check every complain manually

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No wait... the notification about a DMCA on an item is sent automatically, the takedown is manually

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But still, this can take a few days

olive sparrow Apr 24, 2018, 12:40 AM

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usually up to 3 if it's clear-cut

mint edge Apr 24, 2018, 2:48 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1369227721

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1gb of life mod

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seems legit

soft egret Apr 24, 2018, 3:34 PM

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Russian life mod*

compact merlin Apr 24, 2018, 5:17 PM

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It's a WS bug. Almost every life mod is ~1GB, but de-facto there is about 15GB of unique content

mint edge Apr 24, 2018, 6:03 PM

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lol

languid fog Apr 25, 2018, 2:23 AM

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Yea, the size counter on steam doesnt seem to be working correct

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At one point it said IFA3 was only 800mb when its more like 10gb or some wild shit

fair rune Apr 25, 2018, 2:35 AM

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Steam does compress the downloads a fair bit. But not by that much for sure

olive sparrow Apr 25, 2018, 7:43 AM

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It does the same on unsung - the size value is set on your first upload then as you expand content it doesnt ever update. We get complaints and scastic comments from frustrated gamers quite often but i have no way to edit the figure

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@pliant oar is there a way to report the issue to valve?

compact merlin Apr 25, 2018, 8:00 AM

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not on the first upload, but yes, something horribly wrong with mods > 1GB

echo orchid Apr 25, 2018, 9:31 AM

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the size in MB shown is based on the last update, not the entire thing. The first publiush to SW is always correct, it fucks about with each update pushed

tawny sentinel Apr 25, 2018, 9:49 AM

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Aye, noticed it when the Unsung mod went from a placeholder to look for reuploads to the real thing.

olive sparrow Apr 25, 2018, 9:59 AM

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yep

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so their code is warped basically

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and presenting users wit ha bad sense of download time. pretty fundamental for a publishing platform to get working correctly

echo orchid Apr 25, 2018, 3:31 PM

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also afaik it not 100% related to Arma, but with the entire workshop

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sub-optimal either way

clear mulch Apr 26, 2018, 2:16 PM

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Today is World Intellectual Property Day http://www.wipo.int/portal/en/ not quite the topic for this channel but still thought of spreading the word

clear pike Apr 26, 2018, 2:17 PM

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KA's shit is back on the WS

grand oyster Apr 26, 2018, 2:32 PM

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When isn’t it?

keen trout Apr 26, 2018, 2:37 PM

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as was posted on reddit, https://i.redditmedia.com/hy14OS9LZHFKaYZc0NBnYrEdKvUld6QUqH9w87bLh9E.png?s=043e757102359ad89c39ed4fb50a1c5f

soft egret Apr 26, 2018, 2:38 PM

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"Copywright" wow..

clear pike Apr 26, 2018, 6:21 PM

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Jesus.

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I just read through the comments on KA's weapon pack's page.

dull moon Apr 26, 2018, 6:22 PM

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don't... just don't

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😄

clear pike Apr 26, 2018, 6:22 PM

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I regret it for sure.

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copyright = censorship
intellectual property ≠ property

theft ≠ theft

dull moon Apr 26, 2018, 6:24 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

clear pike Apr 26, 2018, 6:25 PM

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I will never understand how people can be so stupid.

dull moon Apr 26, 2018, 6:26 PM

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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.

Albert Einstein

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my alltime fav quote

clear mulch Apr 26, 2018, 9:08 PM

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isn't it anyone's, when you're not on the receiving side?

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anyways that guy is just a pest, stubborn and will end up with a lawsuit in the end... if not out of reach

jade tartan Apr 27, 2018, 7:14 PM

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I am surprised he hasn't been banned yet

dull moon Apr 27, 2018, 8:18 PM

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Who, KA?

pliant oar Apr 27, 2018, 11:11 PM

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if it was up to me, he would be ...

fossil basalt Apr 27, 2018, 11:14 PM

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If it was up to me, he'd be missing.

dull moon Apr 27, 2018, 11:37 PM

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After a visit at a pig farm? Sure 😉

grand oyster Apr 28, 2018, 12:17 AM

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With that mentioned, who governs who has access to the SW? Is it Steam themselves? I'd find it silly if they didn't have a system in place to ban people from specific workshops based on reports/infractions

dull moon Apr 28, 2018, 12:30 AM

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the WS is unmoderated, and BI as limited access to it. all regulation is managed by Valve itself, and as long no 3rd party (game developer) waves with a cort notice Valve will do shit

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i was seeking help from BI and Valve about repeat offenders, got the same answer from both: get a lawyer

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

balmy lodge Apr 28, 2018, 1:34 AM

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I've haven't followed this artist at all, what did he do?

grand oyster Apr 28, 2018, 1:54 AM

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does*

dull moon Apr 28, 2018, 2:03 AM

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Violating countles IP and copyrights by ripping other ppls work, from games and shady websites

fervent needle Apr 28, 2018, 12:17 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/tWAIJPJ.jpg

low effort

languid fog Apr 29, 2018, 9:23 AM

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Low quality as well haha

fervent needle Apr 29, 2018, 12:12 PM

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😂

dull moon Apr 30, 2018, 9:50 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/8fxzva/arma_3_content_creator_scam/?utm_source=reddit-android

soft egret Apr 30, 2018, 9:50 AM

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So... He put a DMCA onto something that he doesn't have any rights on? Have fun I guess 😄

dull moon Apr 30, 2018, 9:51 AM

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Lifers scam lifers. What a wonderful time to be

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😂

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@soft egret
Nope, the guy who got caught put a DMCA on the modpack who caught him

soft egret Apr 30, 2018, 9:54 AM

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Ahhh. Well again Lifers copying other peoples stuff into their modpack 😄 They don't even know what they are copying

flint niche Apr 30, 2018, 9:56 AM

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Between mod theft and charging for server access, it was bound to happen eventually, would bbbe better if they just disappear.

dull moon Apr 30, 2018, 10:03 AM

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Before you can trust a lifer server admin/mod creator, you can trust your own farts

fervent needle Apr 30, 2018, 1:43 PM

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👀👀

river spear Apr 30, 2018, 2:53 PM

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I like the guy asking "how do you deobfuscate???"

tawny sentinel Apr 30, 2018, 3:01 PM

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Hey, I gave him a honest answer, didn't I?

mint edge Apr 30, 2018, 3:14 PM

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lmao thats good

olive sparrow May 1, 2018, 2:52 PM

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wow what a great way to prevent the seedier end of the life communities from ripping your stuff, just build hidden useractions into all your kit that makes you and infinitely wealthy god in their system lol. if i wasn't busy i'd go and write that code...

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hell you could even sell access to your useractions on the darkweb, or just reddit lol

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and the nspend the money on a pretty admin assistant to keep your malt topped up and file your DMCA's.

compact merlin May 1, 2018, 3:54 PM

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they can simply take only .p3d's, textures and materials and write new configs for them, but in most cases configs are also extractable

mint edge May 1, 2018, 4:43 PM

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lifers... writing... stuff...?

willow star May 2, 2018, 7:42 AM

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just choose a license that doesn't allow modification and dmca them

hot bolt May 2, 2018, 3:56 PM

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So why dont we all go and leave negative ratings comments etc on KS`s stuff if he is so bad?

soft egret May 2, 2018, 3:57 PM

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What use would that be?

dull moon May 2, 2018, 4:35 PM

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Nobody reads this stuff anyway

soft egret May 4, 2018, 6:47 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1377209005
Ported to Arma 2 by noamles.. But uploaded by a totally different person as Arma 3 mod 🤔
The Screenshots are Arma 2. And in the Video he linked he is shooting using ACE3, using incorrect scope adjustments. Seems completly unrelated to his mod. He isn't even loading that mod in the video.. According to the Arma Launcher seen at the start.

tawny sentinel May 4, 2018, 8:24 AM

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Simply more accurate

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🤣

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Is it worth downloading just to see what kind of mess this is? I'm kind of intrigued at this point. @soft egret

soft egret May 4, 2018, 8:26 AM

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It was a very good mod back in Arma1

river spear May 4, 2018, 9:06 AM

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@tawny sentinel download the file list of it first or do you want to have a look at the files

tawny sentinel May 4, 2018, 9:07 AM

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Oh, wanted to check it out if it even worked.

river spear May 4, 2018, 9:12 AM

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Hopefully, just realized yesterday that the text search didn't work and fixed it lul

olive sparrow May 4, 2018, 2:33 PM

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Looks like a korean has uploaded an arma2 mod without permission of original authors

soft egret May 4, 2018, 2:42 PM

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Chinese according to his steam

dull moon May 4, 2018, 3:36 PM

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They eat dogs, what'd you expect? 😀

fervent needle May 4, 2018, 3:40 PM

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👀👀

blissful arch May 4, 2018, 8:48 PM

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Know i asked a little while ago about this guy and my map ?

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https://gyazo.com/e0df5a560a92afd6b6708b1eccf0fce4

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he thinks changing it a little makes it his o.O

coral torrent May 4, 2018, 8:55 PM

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http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/079/173/ed2.png

blissful arch May 4, 2018, 9:16 PM

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xD

faint nacelle May 4, 2018, 10:19 PM

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let me fix that for you @Arkensor#0209 http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/079/173/ed2.png

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(as in make it visible for allll to see as this is probably my favorite picture in all the internets)

blissful arch May 4, 2018, 10:39 PM

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whenever i warn him too he just deletes my comments xD

safe arrow May 4, 2018, 10:56 PM

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How did he get you sourcefiles from your map? If you did release your own map on steam, you could check his suspicious "LifeRP Modpack" if it contains any traces of your stuff and fill a DMCA: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1240054209
(it contains the usual RP stuff from RobertHammer, Jonzie, Tryk, HLC etc)

compact merlin May 4, 2018, 11:12 PM

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@Cosmo#2029 There is a way to get editable map from compiled one. Not so easy, with lot of boring work with satmap fragments, but it is still easier than creating something new.
I saw a russian life server who did it with Los Santos Island (parody of GTA 5 map)

blissful arch May 4, 2018, 11:40 PM

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thats the thing, I gave him an obfuscated pbo, so he could "place buildings" then he started calling it his map, and now hes managed to get the source

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im guessing it will get taken down anyway, with RH and HLC in it.

dull moon May 5, 2018, 12:25 AM

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you got the original source files, so DMCA him and be done with it. but keepin mind, you need to be 100% positive about that, because technically you sort of start a legal case then

olive sparrow May 5, 2018, 12:55 AM

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he also posted this up https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1254401089

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may be wort ha look, if he abused other mods, he can get DMCA'd. his empty website makes no mention of monetization registration

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so if he intends to monetize, he could also get reported to BI for that

river spear May 5, 2018, 12:18 PM

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@olive sparrow mostly a3l stuff in there

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lots of that stuff

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B7A134A6073E6263185E650F060CBD52A7FC9860    \addons\a3l_bank.pbo
F606C22AB022724F71B338EFE1DDCB16BA00BEF3    \addons\A3L_Bars.pbo
4A39687A8CF03C25D1820C18A8D5B8CCB9793FC3    \addons\A3L_Box.pbo
BFB05FA57518B60760C68BDB1FDD4831508EC338    \addons\A3L_BTTF.pbo
33668AEA8757264157D160B56D5DE6E1740B2732    \addons\a3l_challenger.pbo
2F051ED4B5A841964E28E2F5D022D085EB74D260    \addons\a3l_christmas.pbo
22E7F60F2D891D722C92017F280DF39A602F44DF    \addons\a3l_civ10.pbo
945007452B041FD94BAA3FBA1C39DE3FC6AADA4D    \addons\a3l_civ25.pbo
F1F238EA60D89F1B42221D3333B70A3526E14C61    \addons\a3l_civ4.pbo
3C3A1D204FDCA2B59E144B6D4D157313C1ACE8B4    \addons\a3l_civ5.pbo
91DE7DFC191BE61A8DF7EEC82288F04F04A1CA0F    \addons\A3L_Crops.pbo
4D7B46A2C32802C516540105D8BB5B3737701633    \addons\A3L_EMTMain.pbo
3A8A340C0E29AD1FF25068EB926C4D4B0EADC908    \addons\a3l_extinguisher.pbo
664E04AC096695C4B4EEA5FBD43CE0BFA9A36326    \addons\A3L_FordKa.pbo
5827610909558341E76912FBEF70EC4147115F40    \addons\A3L_Ford_Raptor.pbo
E44CDBE30F08B808D623F955960132A19C65CF52    \addons\A3L_HAFM_EC635.pbo
99DA823C02E8DC2AD7B47BCA2EA704257BF95C3B    \addons\A3L_HardHat.pbo
8275D0672361DAB8E960FBFD1BC2405A440A2021    \addons\a3l_hospitalbed.pbo
B78684D46E8CB2733E81EBC48258C8654992547F    \addons\A3L_JackHammer.pbo
F403BEB57223E1E2A2533A5FB9842A66A0A1C8A1    \addons\a3l_jailbus.pbo
F721770550B917297C606265C33F3A26A4ECEBAB    \addons\a3l_ladder.pbo
A609C03D01F3ABC1EF7476D95084442F77AEA00C    \addons\A3L_ManuMachine.pbo
BC20EA971EF9FAE49C45E63C6176FB704261E1A7    \addons\A3L_Map_Markers.pbo
E6A53D4E8F397B3B95937F4D81B4CF4BDD028253    \addons\a3l_schultz_obj.pbo
37A16A6EE561D7839151BC88AAAC72B0A737881A    \addons\A3L_Subaru_Police.pbo
D61A138AA1FA7052C6023B96DE23B70D8E7964E0    \addons\a3l_swertvest.pbo
FA4E99FDB411A3D330B7C37EABCE23F74AD5107A    \addons\a3l_taser.pbo
73884A513B37AD8C52824802ED2E7387547AB922    \addons\a3l_towtruck.pbo

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this aswell

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871851378C11ABE6E3420BEB667D10FF7EB11F00    \addons\RH_acc_cfg.pbo
30360DED65297B93502CA19326A9AE9C3DC67426    \addons\rh_de.pbo
7B93016838E335624ADC4880A19A2E12BEFF7E12    \addons\RH_M4_cfg.pbo

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hlc aswell

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6051B49BD7E6B258B97863CC0F7ED806BBABEACD    \addons\hlc_core.pbo
EFAD75DD2F1F58FD668FB1AB084E5C9B7F17ECBA    \addons\hlc_wp_aug.pbo
F0459EC77BFFE2F01DDEADC91B110B4B65C07827    \addons\hlc_wp_mp5.pbo

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another of the rh pbos AA79A27B6DB2CBB1DEDE5B8C0574C043AD3648A7 \addons\RH_acc.pbo

ionic iron May 5, 2018, 4:34 PM

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@blissful arch I have Matthew Longtime on Steam, if you wish for me to ask him to take down his workshop addons that contain your map, I can do? Saves a long legal case.

fossil basalt May 5, 2018, 4:53 PM

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That was a perfectly good suggestion until you said “Saves a long legal case”.

dull moon May 5, 2018, 4:58 PM

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It's a short one If the loser is known before it even starts

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🤷

blissful arch May 5, 2018, 5:04 PM

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@ionic iron the mods aren't in those modpacks.

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they are old by the looks of things.

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its looks like its not the first time he has done it tho

ionic iron May 5, 2018, 5:05 PM

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@fossil basalt Haha, I’ve never been through a DMCA case so I’m unsure on the timing.

blissful arch May 5, 2018, 5:05 PM

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he tried to to do to uk like mod, a3l and a few others

ionic iron May 5, 2018, 5:06 PM

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@blissful arch Yeah, I knew Matthew since he was a short time developer for me. He’s pretty much like that, copy and pasta and claim it’s his.

blissful arch May 5, 2018, 5:06 PM

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he removes my comments when i warn him too

fossil basalt May 5, 2018, 5:06 PM

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Is he on the Bohemia Forum by any chance?

blissful arch May 5, 2018, 5:06 PM

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i dont think so.

fossil basalt May 5, 2018, 5:07 PM

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@ionic iron May know

ionic iron May 5, 2018, 5:07 PM

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@fossil basalt I don’t know him that well I’m sorry, he was only on my team for around a week.

fossil basalt May 5, 2018, 5:08 PM

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I’ll have a look then. If he is, he won’t be for much longer.

ionic iron May 5, 2018, 5:10 PM

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He doesn’t deserve to be on the forums if he’s going around using other people’s content and claiming as his own.

fossil basalt May 5, 2018, 5:11 PM

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That was my point.

ionic iron May 5, 2018, 5:12 PM

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If you want anything sending to him directly then let me know, I can easily drop a message to him.

fossil basalt May 5, 2018, 5:15 PM

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Yes, tell him to contact me via Private Message on the Bohemia Interactive Forums (Arma 3). I am FallujahMadic -FM- there.

blissful arch May 5, 2018, 5:15 PM

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I don't think he is up to talking to anyone xD

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either that or he thinks he can get away with using my map xD

fossil basalt May 5, 2018, 5:15 PM

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We’ll soon find out.

blissful arch May 5, 2018, 5:16 PM

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yup

ionic iron May 5, 2018, 5:17 PM

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Okay, I’ve messaged him exactly what you messaged.

ionic iron May 5, 2018, 5:56 PM

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@fossil basalt He’s replies and said:

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“Well them I him if it's about the map i have no intent to make a server. I simply don't see the point because I have a chance of mooring my money.”

fossil basalt May 5, 2018, 6:00 PM

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Neither of his choices were good, but chose the worst of the two.

blissful arch May 5, 2018, 6:02 PM

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`So he is hoping to sell my ip ?

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GG

mint edge May 6, 2018, 1:18 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1149372274

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https://gyazo.com/16d254a32f083105987ff51a067f155e

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arma 2 dayz mod assets

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sounds

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https://gyazo.com/15fc5ba63bd1d3a27de41e885e81bd3f

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and its packed with a bunch of kickass pbos

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lol

tawny sentinel May 6, 2018, 1:22 AM

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If you put a IP infringement into another IP infringement, does that neutralize the infringement? 😄

mint edge May 6, 2018, 1:22 AM

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lmaoo

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infringecption

hallow lark May 6, 2018, 2:21 AM

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But he takes no credit @mint edge Dont you know how this works?

mint edge May 6, 2018, 2:24 AM

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he even has those a2 models nixon ported or whoever did lol

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but those arent the issue here xd

hallow lark May 6, 2018, 2:24 AM

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The zombies?

mint edge May 6, 2018, 2:24 AM

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yep

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CITIZEN.p3d

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everything else not captial

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dead giveaway

hallow lark May 6, 2018, 2:24 AM

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Nixon and badger

mint edge May 6, 2018, 2:24 AM

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i worked on those zombies a bit too

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lol

hallow lark May 6, 2018, 2:26 AM

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If its the latest zombies, then its myself, nixon, badger, razer, and you. They have uh... Been around.

mint edge May 6, 2018, 2:36 AM

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so there loose?

low pebble May 6, 2018, 2:13 PM

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He thinks he has your permission CM ?

mint edge May 6, 2018, 3:14 PM

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no idc about anything of my own

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he has arma 2 dayz mod assets

low pebble May 6, 2018, 3:22 PM

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Well, i told him to drop by here a couple of hours ago, seems like he doesnt feel like it.

mint edge May 6, 2018, 3:23 PM

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well unless it's removed quick before a bi guy looks it doesn't really matter what he feels like >.<

languid hinge May 7, 2018, 12:18 AM

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it requires rds civilian pack as fore mentioned in the mod description

languid hinge May 7, 2018, 12:51 AM

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if needs be i can remove the .p3d files from my mod (which i dont claim i made anything its just a compilation of other mods) and jsut write the paths to the .p3ds

dull moon May 7, 2018, 2:05 AM

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Rule #1 on steam workshop: If you are not the autor of the content, you DO NOT upload it!

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And it doesn't matter If it's a model, a config or even a texture

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Just... don't...

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This violates not just the steam eula (section 6D), but also (many) other licenses and ip rights

grand oyster May 7, 2018, 2:09 AM

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I know of steams and the authors license but I’m not aware of any other licences

languid hinge May 7, 2018, 2:12 AM

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And with permission and credit with the extension of the clause stating i did not create these that they are a compilation with edited features to match my needs i am clear

low pebble May 7, 2018, 3:12 AM

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^ Kinda doesnt work that way.

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Reminds me off..
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/431345066053992450/439716961619017728/Screenshot_2018-04-28-11-16-12.png?width=363&height=646

soft egret May 7, 2018, 6:39 AM

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@languid hinge Doesn't work like that at all.
You need permission to upload. Saying "that's not mine" is not permission.
It's like you murder someone and then say "the knife was not mine and I never claimed it was mine".

tawny sentinel May 7, 2018, 7:01 AM

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@[TBI] Liam#4307 A clause means nothing in the judicial sense. You are not free to edit others stuff without their permission and upload it on the internet. This is not only very rude, because whoever made it might not want you to use their blood, sweat and lines of SQF and then make it into some frankenstein that the author might not agree with, or even know about, but you can also be pursued legally, we even have some creators here who have sent cease and desist letters to the people who keep uploading their stuff.

Please respect their licenses and not only ask, but make sure you get written permission for reuploading, modifying, and whatever else you wishes to do with their stuff from everyone involved. Generally this community is very hospitable as long as you are respectful and respect the time they put in to give you the ability to even make such a awesome server like you probably want to run.

Thanks

safe arrow May 7, 2018, 7:17 AM

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@[TBI] Liam#4307 Maybe just read the license from the steam workshop. As you are you using it by uploading your mod you agreed to that. The relevant part is section 6D, where it clearly states that you can only upload stuff that is totally your own creation or where you can present the permissions from the original creators to use and upload their stuff.
https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/english/#6

echo orchid May 7, 2018, 7:58 AM

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[5:12 AM] [TBI] Liam: And with permission and credit with the extension of the clause stating i did not create these that they are a compilation with edited features to match my needs i am clear
LOL what? you are clear to proceed towars steam agreement page and educate yourself why what you just typed is 100% false

languid hinge May 7, 2018, 9:09 AM

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Ill change mine today, but what about ArmaX mod then? And the other 30+ mods on the workshop that do the same thing.

soft egret May 7, 2018, 9:15 AM

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What ArmaX? That one https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1200979258
Where the author asked all mod authors and got permission from them? Atleast that's what he says. I'm not the author of one of the mods they are using so I don't know if they really asked or just pretend. But the mod still being up looks like they really asked

fossil basalt May 7, 2018, 9:34 AM

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You represent and warrant to us that you have sufficient rights in all User Generated Content to grant Valve and other affected parties the licenses described under A. and B. above or in any license terms specific to the applicable Workshop-Enabled App or Workshop page. This includes, without limitation, any kind of intellectual property rights or other proprietary or personal rights affected by or included in the User Generated Content. In particular, with respect to Workshop Contributions, you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you(or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors).

You furthermore represent and warrant that the User Generated Content, your submission of that Content, and your granting of rights in that Content does not violate any applicable contract, law or regulation.```

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@[TBI] Liam#4307 If it does not meet that legal requirement, you MUST remove the content.

languid hinge May 7, 2018, 10:29 AM

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@fossil basalt did i or did i not say i was working on it today?

fossil basalt May 7, 2018, 10:30 AM

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Which means in the meantime remove the mod from the workshop.

languid hinge May 7, 2018, 10:31 AM

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i have a server that runs on that mod, i think for the 30 mins it will take me to rectify ill pass

fossil basalt May 7, 2018, 10:31 AM

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Steal content, suffer the consequences.

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It’s already been reported to Steam as containing stolen content.

languid hinge May 7, 2018, 10:39 AM

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done, enjoy

safe arrow May 7, 2018, 12:09 PM

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Ill change mine today, but what about ArmaX mod then? And the other 30+ mods on the workshop that do the same thing. This is one of the most stupid justifications ever. Its like asking to follow other guys jumping of a bridge. 40+ where not yet punished or discovered doing illegal things and are too dump to read the licenses they agreed by uploading their stuff and that makes it right for you to do so the same?!
Sometimes i am wondering what goes on some heads...

dull moon May 7, 2018, 12:13 PM

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🤷

echo orchid May 7, 2018, 12:16 PM

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why can't i steal as well, when some others do it anyways - nice mentality

dull moon May 7, 2018, 12:36 PM

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Can we have this as channel motto pls
https://i.imgflip.com/1xvnfi.jpg?a423791

compact merlin May 7, 2018, 1:06 PM

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[Armax] Mod
864 Unique Visitors
2,165 Current Subscribers

Isn't a set of subscribers should be inside a set of visitors? Why visitors counter is a few times lesser? 🤔

soft egret May 7, 2018, 1:07 PM

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because people just subscribed through collections or the Arma Launcher subscribed for them when they tried to join the server

compact merlin May 7, 2018, 1:08 PM

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oh, sound logical

languid hinge May 7, 2018, 2:42 PM

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just wanted to come in here an apologise for the incident, wont happen again now i have read the rules, sorry again

low pebble May 7, 2018, 2:42 PM

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I told you the law goes above all.

dull moon May 7, 2018, 3:14 PM

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@languid hinge
👍

mint edge May 7, 2018, 4:26 PM

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just make sure whatever your using has a compatible license and the go ahead from the creators

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for example my stuff i put out i personally dont care if people use it as the legal trouble is too much of a hassle, but 99% of all modders WILL have trouble with it

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not to mention content with incompatible licenses is 100% bad, like dayz stuff

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as stated before anything you post onto the workshop is essentially you claiming ownership, so unless the ip rights holder says so its basically a no

river spear May 7, 2018, 4:33 PM

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I can tell you a story about that cough

mint edge May 7, 2018, 4:33 PM

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lol

dull moon May 7, 2018, 5:03 PM

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🤔

blissful arch May 7, 2018, 5:21 PM

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https://gyazo.com/82879c249b7aea6ae7ab885728e4d0c2

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Well this is funny xD

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just been invited to this group because 100% DMCA Ignored is important xD

tulip nexus May 7, 2018, 5:25 PM

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So hosting not on steam workshop? But that's usually like 100% okay

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It's only an issue with WS because Valve require content rights are transferred to them. And that linking of Steam profiles to the file workshop item suggests permissions and ownership that the uploader doesn't have

ionic iron May 7, 2018, 6:15 PM

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@blissful arch Excuse me, don't you slag me off pepetux

blissful arch May 7, 2018, 7:33 PM

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Your basically giving people a way around dmca's ? its cuntish thing to do tbh

soft egret May 7, 2018, 7:34 PM

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Well have fun hosting your mods offshore... Not like we have any problems with that

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I also host tons of mods on my server

blissful arch May 7, 2018, 7:35 PM

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Stolen ?

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xD

soft egret May 7, 2018, 7:35 PM

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no

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well.. If you call downloading "stealing" 😄

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I don't know any mod maker that goes after private arma3sync repo's or google drive uploads of their mods.
So have fun hosting it outside of steam workshop and having people use it

grand oyster May 7, 2018, 7:59 PM

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I believe the prime reason why they don’t is due to the hassle involved

soft egret May 7, 2018, 8:01 PM

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exactly. And same hassle for people getting mods from them

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compared to the steam workshop audience that is probably not worth it

olive sparrow May 8, 2018, 12:59 AM

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🍿 this was a fun read today thanks!

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some justice got dispensed while i was out in the sunshine. gj lads.

ionic iron May 8, 2018, 8:34 AM

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@soft egret They won’t be hosting any mods, that’ll be off limits. I’m only doing web hosting to begin with.

tawny sentinel May 8, 2018, 9:48 AM

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It's not like you're not easy to be held liable living in the UK 🤔

grand oyster May 8, 2018, 12:30 PM

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Oof

dull moon May 8, 2018, 12:35 PM

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BA DUM TZZZZ

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😉

ionic iron May 8, 2018, 6:54 PM

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@tawny sentinel Haha that's true. I totally live in Pakistan 😉

blissful arch May 10, 2018, 12:21 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1374753860

tawny sentinel May 10, 2018, 8:59 AM

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@Chris_Lutz_(audiocustoms)#5482 Hey now you can even swear at the guy above in your native language since you're both German! ^^

echo orchid May 10, 2018, 9:16 AM

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submission network? kinky 1 CUP 2 players sort of thing?

faint nacelle May 10, 2018, 9:16 AM

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Ive noticed a trend of VAC bans on the offending addons uploading peoples profiles

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kinda tells a lot about persons morale I guess

soft egret May 10, 2018, 9:26 AM

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concerning how drunk steam workshop size info is... https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=620019431 yeah...

tulip nexus May 10, 2018, 9:45 AM

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0.000MB, nice. Hopefully you can make it a negative value some day and thus offer users a free memory upgrade 😄

olive sparrow May 10, 2018, 1:25 PM

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lol the code for steam workshop is a little bit "special"

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i wonder if they ever ask focus groups of users for feedback?

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probably like most games companies, they just ignore the forums full of hot air/ feedback, unless one of their staff reads a good idea.

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IT has always been kinda organic, not really on a par with most professional business.

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just try keeping a contractor to spec in a multimillion pound goivernment IT contract and watch them look at you perplexed tha tyou're referring to such documents...

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"the spec is just the starting point" == "contractor: we will make what we think is cool/ cost-effective, throw that spec away" == "owner: but what about meeting the needs of our users?" == "contractor: oh that'll cost you more"

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anyway, that's all in the past hehe

carmine folio May 10, 2018, 9:05 PM

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This one is the same from A2 right? https://sketchfab.com/models/d2140327aa45411bb7065658c81d861a

compact merlin May 10, 2018, 9:41 PM

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@carmine folio Yes https://pp.userapi.com/c846216/v846216685/4862f/DhhsuvGjL78.jpg

faint nacelle May 11, 2018, 5:32 PM

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@Megadeth#8503 you can drop the link to the infringements email on the channel topic

carmine folio May 11, 2018, 9:14 PM

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Its altererade done

faint nacelle May 11, 2018, 9:53 PM

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👍

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classic "imadetis"

cinder ridge May 13, 2018, 10:46 AM

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So, not sure where to put this to be honest so I'll hope im right here. I just noticed some of my mods have been uploaded on Armaholic without my knowledge and while full credit is given I still dont like how it happened without consent, does anyone here know who I should contact or who is responsible for uploads from the workshop to armaholic?

faint nacelle May 13, 2018, 10:48 AM

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Armaholic support email will reach them and they can fix that.

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Armaholic staff collects mods for hosting but if you dont want yours there just let them know and theyll correct it

cinder ridge May 13, 2018, 10:49 AM

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Ah okay, well I dont really have an issue with it but I'd like to be informed at least. I'll get in touch with them, thank you!

fossil basalt May 13, 2018, 11:21 AM

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Which mods by chance @cinder ridge ?

cinder ridge May 13, 2018, 11:27 AM

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Noticed my Sabre planes integration for FoW, but its fine, i mean credit is given I was just rather suprised as I didnt know that the staff was uploading mods too, always thought it was community members...

soft egret May 13, 2018, 11:44 AM

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Armaholic is also uploading mods without asking and giving them their own version number even if that doesn't exist.
Armaholic has TFAR 0.9.13 which doesn't exist.. I wonder what they do if I'd release a real 0.9.13...

tawny sentinel May 13, 2018, 11:45 AM

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Weeewie

tulip nexus May 13, 2018, 12:16 PM

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@soft egret AFAIK they copy the version numbers from PWS, which has fucked versioning

olive sparrow May 13, 2018, 1:45 PM

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oh god

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PWS is the worst platform for presenting accurate mod data

jade karma May 13, 2018, 8:53 PM

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@echo orchid hey wait.. Isn't the ACUs in the RHS mod prohibited to retexture as per your EULA?

echo orchid May 13, 2018, 8:56 PM

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@jade karma IT IS YES

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sry caps, why?

jade karma May 13, 2018, 8:57 PM

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recent screenshot in the Arma 3 photography thread triggered me

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http://puu.sh/AlC02/40f7eaf73d.jpg

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sure enough.. ACU in OEF-CP from Extra RHS Uniform Re-Textures Mod

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http://puu.sh/AlC2q/afeb82a336.jpg

echo orchid May 13, 2018, 9:08 PM

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do you have a link for the extra RHS uniform re-texcture thing?

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@jade karma

jade karma May 13, 2018, 9:25 PM

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uh yes.. sorry

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=916062070&searchtext=extra+rhs

fossil basalt May 13, 2018, 11:15 PM

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Notify me of any offending post and it shall be removed PuFu.

soft egret May 16, 2018, 7:23 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=920257026 Napf Map.
Napf was made by "#momo#" for Arma 2.
The original forum post by #momo# links to https://angryinsects.de/ where you can get the Arma 3 version. So sounds like that one would be legit. But not the steam upload by a guy who'se name doesn't appear on angryinsects.de and has several VAC bans already
The group once had their own official Napf upload on the workshop but removed it for some reason. They also removed the BIF post for it and asked moderators to delete the thread. So I guess they don't want it to be out there anymore

soft egret May 16, 2018, 12:04 PM

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There is now also a Mass Effect Mod for Arma...

faint nacelle May 16, 2018, 12:18 PM

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I wonder have they made models in Mass Effects spirit themselves or is this the unfortunate classical case?

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how much does EA want to keep their IP in check?

soft egret May 16, 2018, 12:23 PM

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They say the made it themselves. But it looks like it's the same guys as with SWOP

faint nacelle May 16, 2018, 12:38 PM

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ah

olive sparrow May 18, 2018, 8:38 AM

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another one bites the dust ```
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198193340501/
hartixd55 summary:Project Life I Tanoa

soft egret May 18, 2018, 8:41 AM

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You have to keep in mind that he is a professional!
His forum link is http://Forum:http://<domain that doesn't exist>.de/upload/forum/

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1361987046 Is that the upload you mean or is that something different? That doesn't look like project life... but he even links the mod's that he ripped in the description of the item 🤦

stoic beacon May 18, 2018, 9:56 AM

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@soft egret can you look if there are any kka3* files in there as well? I don't have the time rn

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I remember the name of the mod pack, but I was too lazy to file an Dmca

soft egret May 18, 2018, 9:59 AM

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yeah. kka3_gestures

stoic beacon May 18, 2018, 10:05 AM

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Alright, thank you

olive sparrow May 18, 2018, 12:16 PM

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I DMCA'd the guy earlier.

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nice we only get one a month, or so, now

balmy lodge May 18, 2018, 12:50 PM

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What do you guys use to check stuff like that?

safe arrow May 18, 2018, 12:54 PM

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The one and only great Workshop-Crawler: https://beta.workshopcrawler.com/

balmy lodge May 18, 2018, 12:55 PM

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Ohh, this will be well used! Thanks

safe arrow May 18, 2018, 12:56 PM

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Or you could just subscribe to the mod, download it and look at the pbos. Most thefts are pretty easy to recognize.

balmy lodge May 18, 2018, 12:58 PM

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Yeah thats true

river spear May 18, 2018, 1:21 PM

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@safe arrow What about a page where you can download a specific mods files

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Basically you first get a page where all files of the mod are listed, and then you can handpick specific ones to download

ionic iron May 19, 2018, 12:48 PM

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Are re-uploads of task_force_radio and CBA allowed?

soft egret May 19, 2018, 12:51 PM

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CBA yes. TFAR http://radio.task-force.ru/en/#readme-uitem-9

ionic iron May 19, 2018, 12:57 PM

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Okay, I've already filled a DMCA report against this re-upload but here it is > https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=945425481

soft egret May 19, 2018, 12:58 PM

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You filed a DMCA?

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DMCA's can only be filed by people that have the right to the content

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That's me and Nkey.

ionic iron May 19, 2018, 12:58 PM

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Oooo, oh well. They can only reject it.

dull moon May 19, 2018, 1:06 PM

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NEVER, like really NEVER file a DMCA on content that is not yours. A false claim is a criminal offense

ionic iron May 19, 2018, 1:09 PM

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Oh well. You chaps can take me to court. Mistakes happen.

safe arrow May 19, 2018, 1:09 PM

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Why are people always too lazy to read the texts popping up... be it the licenses of the mods, the steam licenses or in this case the popups asking "are you the orginal rights owner of this content" when you select DCMA. Seems really hard to do....

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If you are not the owner its totally sufficent to either report the mod or/and inform the orginal owner.

ionic iron May 19, 2018, 1:11 PM

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That's a very true point but rather keep comments like that in your head otherwise ping me next time.

safe arrow May 19, 2018, 1:12 PM

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Why so? Its just stating the obvious as a hint for others to avoid the same mistake. Its not me doing anything wrong. Anyone here wants reuploads to be taken down. But it still should be done in the right way.

dull moon May 19, 2018, 1:13 PM

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@ionic iron
Why so offended? You fucked up, confessed in a public chat, peepz telling you the facts, deal with it...

ionic iron May 19, 2018, 1:16 PM

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I'm not so offended, I did fuck up and I'm not denying otherwise but there's no need for two people to comment on the action after one person already has. Anyway, I don't believe there is any offense in the UK about Copyfraud according to my research.

fossil basalt May 19, 2018, 1:17 PM

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For fraud, there is. And you’ve committed fraud by saying you’re the owner.

ionic iron May 19, 2018, 1:17 PM

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Ohhh no no, I didn't select the 'I'm the owner now take this down or else' box.

fossil basalt May 19, 2018, 1:18 PM

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As DMCAs can only be filed by the owner ....

dull moon May 19, 2018, 1:18 PM

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☝

soft egret May 19, 2018, 1:19 PM

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It's not a box. There are two radio buttons. Either "I am the rightful owner" or "I am authorized by the rightful owner"

safe arrow May 19, 2018, 1:19 PM

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No thats not totally true, also this is stated at the beginning there is a multiple selection option later on where you can state that you are not the owner

soft egret May 19, 2018, 1:19 PM

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You have to choose one. And both are wrong

fossil basalt May 19, 2018, 1:19 PM

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☝️

safe arrow May 19, 2018, 1:20 PM

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A wait, i see, 2 round selection options and 2 additional. Yep, i see

ionic iron May 19, 2018, 1:20 PM

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Ah. Fuck it, take me to court. Shit happens.

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1137994457 TFAR Dev build isn't allowed there right?

soft egret May 19, 2018, 1:20 PM

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ah yeah. Correct. I'll file the DMCA for that

ionic iron May 19, 2018, 1:20 PM

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Haha cheeky but thank you ❤

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There is a load on the Workshop Crawler that was listed above.

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https://beta.workshopcrawler.com/scan/VD47WB1O0GOIV3DEITME

soft egret May 19, 2018, 1:24 PM

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Don't have enough time for all of them

ionic iron May 19, 2018, 1:25 PM

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No, I don't blame you. There are loads. There are a few dev build ones if you want them since I would think they're a priority over the public build?

soft egret May 19, 2018, 1:26 PM

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Nah. You can report them via the normal Steam report if you want to do good. Just link to the TFAR website that I sent you before.
But I don't have time for DMCA'ing in general

ionic iron May 19, 2018, 1:26 PM

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Alright, I will do just that. It saves time for yourself. Thank you.

languid elbow May 22, 2018, 8:05 PM

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this clown has a workshop full of stolen shit

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https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198174308131/myworkshopfiles/?appid=107410&p=1

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i sent takedowns on my stuff that was stolen

dull moon May 22, 2018, 8:07 PM

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i hide my shit behind some funny mod names so nobody gets suspicious

languid elbow May 22, 2018, 8:16 PM

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😄

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yup

faint nacelle May 22, 2018, 8:19 PM

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dummy account :L

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main account likely that 14 level guy on its friends list

languid elbow May 22, 2018, 8:21 PM

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no idea

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the 403_map was my prei khmaoch luong terrain

languid elbow May 22, 2018, 8:50 PM

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reported what?

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unless you are the ip holder .. you can't dmca

strong goblet May 22, 2018, 8:55 PM

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But there's still a report button (non-DMCA) right?

soft egret May 22, 2018, 8:56 PM

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ye

mint edge May 22, 2018, 9:06 PM

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what would be sick as hell is if steam blocked any duplicate files until the original poster of the files clicks Yes to the upload or No to block it

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90% of the apes don't even touch the pbo they just resign it

languid elbow May 22, 2018, 9:42 PM

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that doesn't really do anything :3

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unless owners do the dmca thing.. they stay up

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nothing needed 😃 i already dmca'd mine.. i just posted the profile here so ppls know

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10 or so other reuploads of my shit already got taken down

dull moon May 22, 2018, 9:48 PM

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@mint edge
This was suggested a long time ago, but BI has no hold on such things, and Valve simply doesn't give a moist shit. It's less a hassle for them with the current DMCA process then implementing a system that prevents dublicates...

languid elbow May 22, 2018, 9:52 PM

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and the dmca system works :3

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bi could implement something with the publisher though

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or recruit some trusted community ppls as ws moderators

dull moon May 22, 2018, 9:54 PM

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not even BI has the full ability to moderate the workshop

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valve restriction

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iirc

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the publisher is just a simple upload tool without much capabilities. it would, if it uses a database like the crawler. but this means much more work and maintenance for BI. not going to happen, since a lot of peepz have been moved to other BI projects

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

olive sparrow May 22, 2018, 10:06 PM

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That sure is some mystery shit 403_xx on all his uploads... a couple are over 2gig, youd think hed be proud of his work and label it correctly lol

mint edge May 22, 2018, 11:55 PM

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all bi can do is make a mod incompatible and eventually get it taken down

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and incompatible is literally just a statement at the top of the workshop file lol

river spear May 23, 2018, 6:24 AM

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@dull moon They sure as hell will have the same problem with dayz so they should probably come back to this topic 😅

dull moon May 23, 2018, 7:04 AM

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Well, you showed them the perfect opportunity how this can work. All BI has to do is to step up to you and work it out further more.......

fervent needle May 23, 2018, 2:00 PM

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A simple blocker at upload stage would solve most problems.. even if you can upload other ways it would stop most people + you would need to have steps showing how a collection works etc to show the right way to do it

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Block & educate

dull moon May 23, 2018, 2:05 PM

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= more work for BI -> not happening

fossil basalt May 23, 2018, 2:09 PM

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Automate the process or it won’t happen

river spear May 23, 2018, 2:39 PM

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I mean what you need to have for a simple "is this already on the workshop?" is not much, the crawler was little work, most time was just waiting for it to finish indexing

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I think it would be little work for someone at Bohemia to make it, they probably just don't have someone available to do it

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If they had the resources they could expand upon the idea and have the publisher index your mod for you directly before upload and then send that off to their servers to run a simple check. If you added a database to that where known mods could "register" their workshop item to be the original source for specific pbo hashes, you could then deny upload for those pbos to other people

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Just a quick thought

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I can imagine though that given the structure at bi or companies in general things would take considerably longer and would require more resources

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And they are probably busy for the next few months already

olive sparrow May 23, 2018, 4:44 PM

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I imagine the contract between valve and bi has some implications to this, and it isn’t worth bi spending a fortune negotiating with valve even if valve permitted it

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Our solution was to make a blacklist and any persistent offender esp the ones who send death threats and pages of personal abuse get added to it, and then our mod does not work very well for them any more

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It turns into a slapstick comedy of unfortunate accidents and terrible equipment failures

river spear May 23, 2018, 5:58 PM

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I'd still love to do the validation DLL for mods but it's too easy to just remove the dependency on them

silent patrol May 24, 2018, 8:50 AM

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Just decided to test out the workshop crawler, Strangely, a few days ago, someone reuploaded a map I did. I am not the original creator of the map however, I have massively adapted on the Kelley's Island source to make it look a bit less strange. The only thing left made by Andino is the config, I redid all sat, mask, objects and roads. Am I still in a position to file a takedown eventhough I was not the original original creator?

keen trout May 24, 2018, 8:56 AM

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depends on the license for kelley's island

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https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/184184-wip-kelleys-island-v06/ links the APL-SA

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https://www.bohemia.net/community/licenses/arma-public-license-share-alike

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With this licence you are free to adapt (i.e. modify, rework or update) and share (i.e. copy, distribute or transmit) the material under the following conditions:

Attribution - You must attribute the material in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the material).
Noncommercial - You may not use this material for any commercial purposes.
Arma Only - You may not convert or adapt this material to be used in other games than Arma.
Share Alike - If you adapt, or build upon this material, you may distribute the resulting material only under the same license.

olive sparrow May 24, 2018, 9:48 AM

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so in other words, another modder can take your work and adapt it under the SA license. and then upload it to steam. if the ydidn't change anything and just uploaded it, you could object, but if the ychange the name or description to their own preference, then so long as the yattribute, and apply a similar compatible license to theirwork, you can't object.

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if they didnt apply a license to itthen the yhave breached your license. and likewise if yo udidnt apply a license to your map release, the nyou breached the original authors license.

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hope that helps!

carmine folio May 25, 2018, 3:55 PM

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Is stuff like this allowed?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jMQyCEvQBUQ7wXk0l0aM3ci0D-rjc1i0/view

soft egret May 25, 2018, 3:56 PM

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PSISYN is known for stealing stuff. so probably not

mint edge May 25, 2018, 9:34 PM

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https://support.google.com/legal/troubleshooter/1114905?hl=en

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go for it

olive sparrow May 26, 2018, 5:25 PM

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main thing to check - does he use any mods in his monetized server that he doesn't have permission for.

languid fog May 27, 2018, 4:43 AM

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psisyn hahaha

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What a joker

astral marlin May 27, 2018, 7:13 AM

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he also used content stolen from my server so I've DMCA his server and that file repo

carmine folio May 27, 2018, 7:29 PM

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One more reupload: https://drive.google.com/file/d/11nN_Dgfqq4EVszZ-M_62o2DPI8hookNV/view

safe arrow May 27, 2018, 7:51 PM

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Uploading is not the problem (if not on Steam Workshop). But it has to be checked if those mods are all allowing monetized servers. Otherwhise you can report it directly to BI to take care of them for violating the licenses, as PsySin is listed on their page: of monetized servers: https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/approved/arma3

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Oh and this one applies for monetized servers:


You may, but ONLY if you have proper permission from all of the authors of such mods. Monetizing without it contravenes our licenses.```
https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/faq#!#c7

astral marlin May 28, 2018, 2:29 PM

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that last repo the malden one dose not have our content in it but the original line dose

olive sparrow May 28, 2018, 5:59 PM

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Did you see any unsung in it? Uns or csj prefix? Cba to download 8gb to check 😉

keen trout May 28, 2018, 6:01 PM

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What if they renamed the pbos? thinkinghuh

dull moon May 28, 2018, 6:04 PM

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renaming alone won't do good, since this will most likly fuck up the internal path structure. but if one would go through the hassle of converting all the stolen stuff to his own namespace, there is still the search for model hashes... you can not fuck those 😉

soft egret May 28, 2018, 6:10 PM

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Can't unpack on my linux server. Because it's not plain RAR format

astral marlin May 29, 2018, 9:13 AM

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ill build ya a file list one sec

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first one https://www.dropbox.com/s/sow0ekfqz7z89qz/PSISYN-LONG-CREEK-ISLAND.htm?dl=0

Dropbox

PSISYN-LONG-CREEK-ISLAND.htm

Shared with Dropbox

astral marlin May 29, 2018, 9:44 AM

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new one https://www.dropbox.com/s/oios1h6km0ofbun/%40PSISYN-MALDEN.htm?dl=0

Dropbox

@PSISYN-MALDEN.htm

Shared with Dropbox

echo orchid May 29, 2018, 9:52 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/8mwgh1/extracting_models_and_textures/?st=JHRI6JOU&sh=4dab8239
lol

r/arma - extracting models and textures

1 votes and 3 so far on reddit

astral marlin May 29, 2018, 10:16 AM

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lol

dull moon May 29, 2018, 10:33 AM

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IKR 😂

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@echo orchid

dull moon May 29, 2018, 10:56 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/8mripi/editing_a_pbo_file/?utm_source=reddit-android

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Dis also gold

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😉

astral marlin May 29, 2018, 11:00 AM

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lol

mint edge May 29, 2018, 11:04 AM

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ape responses

dull moon May 29, 2018, 9:17 PM

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😂

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https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/8mwgh1/extracting_models_and_textures/dzr070k/?st=jhs6ndkc&sh=2138d1c3

grand oyster May 29, 2018, 9:55 PM

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😂

prisma scaffold May 30, 2018, 6:40 AM

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1st question is why?

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I mean, the rook is a silly simple model, I could make it in a day, easy..

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Hell, I'm sure there is a fallout 4 model you could re-skin to look like it..

soft egret May 30, 2018, 6:45 AM

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Well. https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/8lcxtu/how_do_i_create_a_steam_apidll_crack/

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Wait... https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/8n4zz0/retrieve_files_from_ram_whilst_the_program_using/
but they scramble most of the important data on purpose because the developers are little shitbrains. Sounds like mikeros obfuscation

https://www.reddit.com/r/rpcs3/comments/8ikun3/how_do_i_dump_my_ps3_discs/
That guy is really just an idiot that tries to rip content everywhere and thinks copyright doesn't apply to him

prisma scaffold May 30, 2018, 6:47 AM

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It's amazing how entitled people feel

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Kind of reminds me of when Tonoa first got released, lots of people felt that a new map wasn't worth the prices...It's like motherf$#% you know how many custom assets BI built for that map?

river spear May 30, 2018, 7:12 AM

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Intel Tech Support???

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That would not have been my first stop with such a question