#ip_rights_violations | ARMA | Page 21

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 10:29 AM

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but still, that doesnt change the fact that what you did is wrong

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 10:29 AM

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Wrong in your book

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 10:29 AM

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well in your book too

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or you wouldn't bother keeping it hidden

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behind forum registration

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 10:30 AM

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Keeping it hidden? It was in my announcements on my page!

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Lol

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 10:30 AM

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and wrong also in the book of BI since they shut you down

dull moon Oct 4, 2016, 10:30 AM

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Lol, exactly

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 10:30 AM

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the store was hidden

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and it would've stayed that way

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 10:30 AM

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The store was not hidden

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 10:30 AM

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had we not reported you

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yes it was you liar

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guests didnt have access to it

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 10:31 AM

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Yes, because we want people to register

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:31 AM

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Sooo... it was "hidden"?

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 10:31 AM

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No

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 10:31 AM

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😄

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:31 AM

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but... you just said you couldn't see it, without registration?

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So: not public for everyone.

fossil basalt Oct 4, 2016, 10:32 AM

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this goes back to Black and White. Was it Public? NO, it was private, that makes it hidden, no grey area.

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 10:32 AM

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Yes, but not hidden. Nothing special people had to do to get access, same as the e-mails I send out to everyone

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Nothing hidden at all, its not like we were selling ingame perks

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:32 AM

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agree @fossil basalt

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 10:32 AM

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this is the kind of mental gymnastics we have to argue against on a weekly basis btw, think of all the time CUP wastes going after these people, and then having to argue with them 😄

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:32 AM

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Its fun (to watch 😄 )

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❤ the ability to monetize content

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 10:33 AM

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I actually enjoy how your minds work. Maybe you guys should enter 2016!

fossil basalt Oct 4, 2016, 10:33 AM

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This relates to sex, but even an idiot should be able to connect the dots:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQbei5JGiT8

YouTube

Blue Seat Studios

Tea Consent

▶ Play video

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 10:34 AM

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IT'S CURRENT YEAR

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lol...

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:35 AM

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@lapis widget Maybe... just maybe... you shouldn't sell stuff for a game.

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And if you can't afford the Server -> Just don't rent it.

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 10:36 AM

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@cobalt creek Maybe you are the one that does not understand how it works these days.

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:36 AM

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I know how it works mr. Smartmoth

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Blaming CUP (or anyone else) for not allowing YOU to monetize crap, that YOU use on YOUR Server that profits YOU is bullshit

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You use CUP? Right? Right.
You wan't to monetize stuff -> Don't use stuff.

dull moon Oct 4, 2016, 10:37 AM

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Hey buddy, you fucked up, got busted by Bi...
Speaking of 2016: groß the fuck up and take your punishment as a man and stop whining about others. Getting tired of your shit

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 10:37 AM

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i understand i've been playing arma for a good 6 years and i never had anyone hand out rewards to me, to get a place to play on

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:37 AM

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THEY spend time and money on it so you can use that stuff for free, so don't even think about talking back like that again.

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 10:37 AM

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not counting the time before that

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 10:37 AM

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Dont think so. The industry created DLC and Micro transactions. They raised the new generations with these ideas. No one donates without getting something small in return. And we are against pay2win. We never created a pay2win situation. Nor did anyone ever had to pay for any content whatsoever.

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:38 AM

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Its a FKN HUGE difference between: Gamecompanys AND MODDERS

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 10:38 AM

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Is it?

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:38 AM

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It is

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 10:38 AM

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How?

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:38 AM

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Does CUP earns money with it?

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 10:38 AM

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You are not allowed and that is probably the biggest issue here!

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:38 AM

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Answer my fkn question

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 10:39 AM

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brb, taking a bath in my swimming pool full of gold coins 😄

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 10:39 AM

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Hostile? @cobalt creek

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:39 AM

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You start to pissing me off with your smartmouth/childish arguments

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 10:39 AM

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we dont want to take money for modding

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:39 AM

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again, answer my question.

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 10:39 AM

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on the other hand we see lots of malicious people hosting servers

dull moon Oct 4, 2016, 10:39 AM

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Lunch time is over, getting back to important stuff now

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 10:40 AM

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Without those server CUP would not be as popular.

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:40 AM

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but dis is impotent @dull moon (intended missspelling 😄 )

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 10:40 AM

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so what?

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:40 AM

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bullshit @lapis widget

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 10:40 AM

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i do this for very selfish reasons, for myself

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:40 AM

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btw. you noticed: He didn't answered my Question 😄

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 10:40 AM

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do you think i care if i have the approval of the exile community? 😄

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 10:40 AM

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@cobalt creek You are hostile! Salty?

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 10:40 AM

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or the life one, for the matter

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 10:41 AM

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Why do you guys hold a grudge over Exile?

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:41 AM

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waiting for answer

dull moon Oct 4, 2016, 10:41 AM

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@cobalt creek Sry, autocorrect shit on mobile

fossil basalt Oct 4, 2016, 10:41 AM

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I have something important to attend to. I will be back in a few. I'll see if I have any metal polish.

dull moon Oct 4, 2016, 10:41 AM

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Lunch time is over, getting back to important stuff now

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:41 AM

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*impotent

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😄

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 10:41 AM

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😄

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 10:41 AM

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@cobalt creek Sorry, CUP does not make money. Happy? Do we make a profit?

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:42 AM

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You do!

dull moon Oct 4, 2016, 10:42 AM

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Aaaaahahahahaha got it

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 10:42 AM

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I do?

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:42 AM

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😛

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 10:42 AM

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well we'll never now because you hide that stuff

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:42 AM

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lmfao, rly?

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That guy... oh my.

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 10:42 AM

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most servers dont even have the donations amount public

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let alone the money taken with sales

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:42 AM

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Okay, lets speak kindergarden: You received donations? Right? Right! If you received Donations -> You take money. Right? Right!.
Puh, that was hard.

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 10:43 AM

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Its donations it does not have to be.

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:43 AM

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i give up. Useless to talk to ppl with an iq below a stone. drops mic

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 10:44 AM

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@cobalt creek you are defending CUP I am against their opinion, what do you expect?

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@cobalt creek And TBH, you guys are the disrespectful ones.

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:45 AM

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I am not defending CUP, i am just showing what kind of strange perspective you have.

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 10:46 AM

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And with me a whole lot more.

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Just as many as support your ideas!

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:46 AM

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You compare a MOD-Team, that makes no profit to a big Company.
You blame CUP for reporting you to BI and shutdown your "Shop".
YOU complain about it.

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And? Doesn't make it right.

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 10:46 AM

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I dont blame them

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:46 AM

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lmfao

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btw.:
Many ppl supported Hitler. Still doesn't change the fact that it was a wrong decision 😉

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 10:47 AM

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Wow, really comparing this to hitler and you are the one insulting my IQ.

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 10:47 AM

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lol

dull moon Oct 4, 2016, 10:47 AM

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Shots fired

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XD

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:47 AM

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Its not possible to insult your iq.

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Okay, i am quiet now.

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 10:48 AM

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allow servers to make a profit and soon you find armed men marching through the streets! WHERE WILL IT END?!

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:48 AM

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I rule the world 😄

dull moon Oct 4, 2016, 10:48 AM

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No i do

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:48 AM

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War!

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damn Bavarian.

dull moon Oct 4, 2016, 10:48 AM

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Civil war!

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:49 AM

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LongBeards vs LongHairs

dull moon Oct 4, 2016, 10:50 AM

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I got bot ;)

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Both

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 10:50 AM

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mine is longer

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(i think, we drift to offtopic here)

dull moon Oct 4, 2016, 10:51 AM

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Who cares XD

hybrid tide Oct 4, 2016, 11:19 AM

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wtf did i just walk into

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:19 PM

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@cobalt creek LMAO

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:19 PM

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that was the most stupid conversation I've ever read 😄

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 12:20 PM

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Goodmorning CEN

hybrid tide Oct 4, 2016, 12:24 PM

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lol

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:26 PM

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morning 😄

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:27 PM

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@lapis widget , you should seriously stop BITCHIN and start respecting Addon makers rules, if you dont like it, go make it your fucking self

hybrid tide Oct 4, 2016, 12:30 PM

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^^ message of the day

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:30 PM

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😉

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 12:35 PM

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i mean... cup is just a port after all...

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HAHAH

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:35 PM

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Still

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:38 PM

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rawr, someone is angry 😄

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:38 PM

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Rrrrr

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:43 PM

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at the end of the day, mod makers will continue to chase down servers because BIS acts like they care but honestly don't

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:44 PM

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well that is not true

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:44 PM

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but this facade that server owners are making large amounts of profit is pretty funny

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this isn't the glory days of arma 2

hybrid tide Oct 4, 2016, 12:44 PM

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tbh its a huge can of worms to try manage

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:44 PM

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or the peak of altis life

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:44 PM

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they should just stop allowing monitizing in general imo

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:45 PM

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arma 3 resources are a lot more than arma 2, servers costs money to run, current generation are self-entitled and want something in return

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it's hard to change behavior

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:45 PM

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well it isnt hard to just shutdown any server that is monitized

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:46 PM

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everybody makes server owners like @lapis widget out to be a horrible person when he's just catering to a player base that was made that way by the current generation of parents 😄

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gimme gimme gimme

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:46 PM

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NO

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:46 PM

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and that isn't changing any time

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:46 PM

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he makes himself look like a horrible cunt by the way he acts

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because it isnt to his liking

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and then people turn in to huge egocentric Aholes

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:46 PM

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He had a valid agrument, it just got out of hand 😄

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you can't be completely against something in its entirety then allow one small thing

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it destroys your stance

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 12:47 PM

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seems like monetizers don't just cater, but flat out take advantage of this whole thing

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:47 PM

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that aswell

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and dont respect rules

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 12:47 PM

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the only few times we got to see how much money monetized servers actually made, that was thousends of dollars more than what was needed to sustain the servers

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:48 PM

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most, not all, just do it to pay the bills every month. Not saying it's right, but the basis of it isn't to go out and make thousands of dollars

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 12:48 PM

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so everything on top of that is profit the monetizer make

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:48 PM

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and that is money Devs should get then instead of those server owners

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as they are the ones who maed the mod

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:49 PM

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I can only speak for myself, but @lapis widget /EXO donated money back to the community and other scripters in the community. I did the same

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they offered CUP money, but you guys didn't want it, fair game

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I would support modders/devs in the community all the time

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 12:49 PM

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Hey I am willing to pay a monthly subscription to who's content I use.

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:49 PM

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I want a script made, I don't know how to make it, I pay for that service

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 12:50 PM

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BI should allow this system because everyone would benefit.

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:50 PM

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can you drop CUP over 5000 euro's then

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:50 PM

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That's the problem though, they tried with skyrim

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and it failed horribly

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 12:50 PM

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no, not exactly...

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 12:50 PM

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Sure Brian, no problem at all, if they give me permission I will drop them 500 now!

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 12:51 PM

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because when you get money for something you create expectations and people consider themselves customers by then

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:51 PM

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you forgot a 0 there

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😉

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 12:51 PM

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😃 see what I did there 😉

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:51 PM

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Brian must be CUP spokesperson 😄

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:51 PM

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i am not

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:51 PM

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you sure seem like it lol

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 12:51 PM

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No but all jokes aside, I am willing to pay. Told CUP that before!

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 12:51 PM

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also the fact that paying for something instead of having it for free is kind of retarded imho

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:51 PM

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i am a Arma dev myself, and i know for a fact how much time it takes and how hard it is to make models and bring them in arma

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 12:51 PM

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like, why would you voluntarily choose that?

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:51 PM

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everyone thinks its a piece of cake

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:52 PM

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I don't agree with that point at all that everybody thinks it's easy

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:52 PM

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why do you think mods like RHS take such a long time to get out new stuff, because it takes months

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 12:52 PM

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Chairborne, I am not far off point of view. That is why we never sold content at all. It was all within BI's rules

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:52 PM

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i was watching a stream of someone making 1 single weapon, took him about 3 months

hybrid tide Oct 4, 2016, 12:52 PM

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the masses just think coz u can port a free model ur a modeller

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:52 PM

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as it is no-one's fulltime job

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 12:53 PM

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im not talking about you specifically, im talking about it in general

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:53 PM

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really good modelers are few and far between

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 12:53 PM

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modders mod arma because its fun

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:53 PM

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but they do it because they enjoy it

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 12:53 PM

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if that becomes a job with all the commitments of the case, things change

hybrid tide Oct 4, 2016, 12:53 PM

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took me about 3 months on and off to make a BAF snatch landrover

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:53 PM

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yeah

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 12:53 PM

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I know chairborbe, but building a stable/professinal community take the same ammount of time and costs money.

hybrid tide Oct 4, 2016, 12:53 PM

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little jimmy can port a model from forza in a day

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:53 PM

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no it fucking doesnt crunch

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you dont need money, you want money

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 12:54 PM

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Brian? have you ever ran a community with 3 popular servers?

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 12:54 PM

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well servers do cost money

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HOWEVER

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communities have been existing long before this entitled generation

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and they still exist

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 12:54 PM

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Brian, you dont know me. If I would want money I would host cheap. And steal scripts. We give back to the community!

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 12:54 PM

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where you join and get to play whether you give money or not

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:55 PM

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communities will survive and people will donate without anything in return

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it's just changing their mindset

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because they are USED to getting something

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 12:55 PM

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But Chairborne, EXO offers the same to donators as non-donators

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We never charged anyone for content or access

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:56 PM

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If you start a community then it are YOUR costs, as it is YOUR decision, so YOU bear the costs. IMO you should not even ask people for money, if they are willing to give it themselves, then that is a different story.

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:56 PM

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That works for when you start out

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 12:56 PM

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@queen wing wow, just wow. You don't understand at all 😃

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:56 PM

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but when you grow/expand/enter new games that take 3X more resources to run, it gets tricky

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 12:56 PM

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We do not ask for money, people offer us money!

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:57 PM

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I do

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 12:57 PM

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But they want something in return

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:57 PM

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I can run 3 Arma 2 servers on the same hardware as 1 Arma 3 server 😄

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and tanoa fps is still bad 😦

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 12:58 PM

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Brian, what do you think a community costs a month?

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:58 PM

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Depends on what server you got

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 12:58 PM

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Good ones at OVH

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3

warm urchin Oct 4, 2016, 12:58 PM

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"Maybe you are the one that does not understand how it works these days."

I got to wonder what has changed in the last 10 years or more? Word monetization didn't even exist back in Arma 2 before the DayZ. Server cost has likely reduced or remained the same but hardware and internet speed has increased.

You donated something, you are just a good guy or good friends with the community. "Donate to be master sergeant in our mils-sim community" is a thing I haven't heard.

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 12:59 PM

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@warm urchin What do you think off DLC and microtransactions.

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 12:59 PM

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server costs have not decreased

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and you can run less servers now because of the amount of resources needed to run an arma 3 server

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like I said before, the glory days of arma 2 are gone 😄

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 12:59 PM

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DLC is something made by the author of the game, that is something completely fucking different

warm urchin Oct 4, 2016, 12:59 PM

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I don't usually do microtransactions but I buy some DLCs so I can support the devs

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:00 PM

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and both DLC's and Microtransactions are OPTIONAL

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:00 PM

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for you perhaps

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:00 PM

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I know most of everything that went on then and what people made $$ wise lol

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:00 PM

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all this drama always comes from exile, life and all the new game modes

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:00 PM

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@cobalt creek You are missing the fun

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:00 PM

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milsim community, or tactical shooter players, rarely stir shit up

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:00 PM

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there are plenty of wasteland servers with perks

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don't kid yourself 😄

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 1:00 PM

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You cannot compate those playerbases

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compare*

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:02 PM

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The life mod playerbase is off on their own island

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at it's peak I know a lot of money was floating around

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similar back in A2 when Epoch/Overpoch were at its prime

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there were just a lot fewer "modders" back then

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:04 PM

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IMO (people will hate me for this), game modes like Altis Life should be banned

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soo much stealing content and such

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:04 PM

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Crunch - Today at 2:53 PM
I know chairborbe, but building a stable/professinal community take the same ammount of time and costs money.```
If you can't fkn afford it -> Leave it....
We had 6 (Yes, SIX) Servers... we payed as Team for each and everyone of them on our own pockets... soo.. you argument is invalid.

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:05 PM

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BIS will never ban a game mode, let alone a popular one

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:05 PM

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No "Donation" Bullshit

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:05 PM

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it all makes them money

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:05 PM

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yeah i know 😦

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:05 PM

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Life isn't the problem. The people are.

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:05 PM

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I've never put a single dime into my community and I told the players that I wasn't from day one

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so the whole "if you can't afford it" argument is retarded

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:06 PM

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Why is it?

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Would you buy a house, if you couldn't pay for it?

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:06 PM

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Most communities are born out of necessity in some way/shape/form

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:06 PM

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A Car?

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Bullshit

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 1:06 PM

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@cobalt creek is not the smartes on the block.

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:06 PM

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because someone cough Crunch cough is a cheap ass

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 1:06 PM

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smartest*

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:06 PM

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If you can't growth, you can't.

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:06 PM

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English please

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:06 PM

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@lapis widget You better watch out buddy

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:07 PM

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I can't understand that sentence

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:07 PM

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FYI, you mess with Dscha, you mess with Me

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:07 PM

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LOL

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:07 PM

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just so you know 😉

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 1:07 PM

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@cobalt creek Threats?

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:07 PM

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let's not throw threats around fellas

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:07 PM

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If you can't afford, having a big "Community", then you can't have a big "community".

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:07 PM

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:08 PM

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define "afford"?

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:08 PM

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Paying for it?

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:08 PM

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here's where the miss is in this entire conversation

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A2 days

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no rules about monetization

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everybody had perks for donating

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players expected something for their donation

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:08 PM

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And it was NOT allowed to do so

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 1:08 PM

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CEN, our world differs too much from them. BI allowed monetization for a reason.

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:08 PM

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players transition to arma 3

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players expect the EXACT thing from Arma 2

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rules were introduced

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so that's a change to the ecosystem

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:09 PM

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Yeah, they expect stuff ServerOwners were not allowed to do so

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that is bs

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:09 PM

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takes time to change players expectations

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It gets even worse when BI introduces rules that cater to LIFE MODS

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 1:10 PM

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@cobalt creek So BI is retarded for allowing monetization within their rules?

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:10 PM

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It won't change. You can change a cracked Window in a broken Car, but it won't fix the Car itself. The cause is somewhere else.

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:10 PM

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saying that you can give away things that "don't affect gameplay"

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:10 PM

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@lapis widget Don't put any words in my Mouth

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:10 PM

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So now you have this issue

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:10 PM

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BI allowed monetization because they recognize running servers have costs

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:10 PM

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BIS says it's ok for things that dont affect gameplay

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 1:10 PM

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@cobalt creek BI allows server owners to monetize.

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:10 PM

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mod makers disagree with them

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:10 PM

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and i have nothing against it, just dont do it with our stuff

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and everyone is happy

dull moon Oct 4, 2016, 1:11 PM

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+1

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:11 PM

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+-

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:11 PM

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so you can be approved for something like server slots from BIS, but mod makers reserve the right to say no to that

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BUT

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:11 PM

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And even that is beeing ignored by some ppl.

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 1:11 PM

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It is a fight you cannot win. Look at the some commuties do whatever they want. BE gets shutdown and they just work around it!

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:11 PM

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that's a misrepresentation and you know it 😛

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:11 PM

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the arguement is that reserved slots have NOTHING to do with the content

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it's like BIS' own DLC content

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:12 PM

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Company != ModMaker

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 1:12 PM

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@hearty ledge none of our perks affected CUP content.

blazing wyvern Oct 4, 2016, 1:12 PM

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you know guys , lets start servers and get the dosh from stupid people

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:12 PM

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you aren't forced to buy the DLC

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I know @lapis widget

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meaning of "dosh" @blazing wyvern ?

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:12 PM

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money

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:12 PM

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ahh

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:12 PM

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Rip em off

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:12 PM

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Yaaa

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:12 PM

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Just like that life-Thingy there

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:12 PM

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There will always be bad apples

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that can't be avoided

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but don't group everybody in with that

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 1:13 PM

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If I would want to make money I would sell basekits, repects and ingame currency! But I dont.

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:13 PM

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@hearty ledge The Problem is: ppl learn from those foul apples.

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But you still didn't respected the CUP Guys in first place, just after BI went in.

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 1:13 PM

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@cobalt creek have you ever looked at the things we offered?

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:14 PM

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I dont give a fkn damn what you "offer". You "offer" stuff, is enough for me to have 0 respect for you 😉

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:14 PM

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^^^^^^^

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 1:14 PM

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@cobalt creek And that is what makes you a lesser simple person!

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lesser and

dull moon Oct 4, 2016, 1:14 PM

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You guys argue about the Details as much as you want, if i stumble across a server making money with my content i'm gonna bust their nuts. There are ways... And if they crawl out of their pittyholes again, i will continue

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:14 PM

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Wait a second.

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No, i don't give a damn what you think @lapis widget =}

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I thought for a second i would care, but... meh

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@queen wing ...

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 1:15 PM

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Well at least this conversation shows the kids in the chat.

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:15 PM

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lets keep our cool guys 😛

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dont want a mod to stumble by and start banning people

blazing wyvern Oct 4, 2016, 1:15 PM

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LOL

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 1:15 PM

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BI needs to moderate your attitudes

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:16 PM

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Said the guy, who compared ModMakers to Companys 😃

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"but BI is selling DLC's, y i cannut sell ma staffffff dat othas madeee"

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:17 PM

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If they moderate our attitudes, they should shutdown your server 😘

warm urchin Oct 4, 2016, 1:17 PM

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"here's where the miss is in this entire conversation
A2 days
no rules about monetization
everybody had perks for donating
players expected something for their donation"

Was there some communities who even did that before DayZ/clones happened? I guess reserve slot was probably the only thing.

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 1:17 PM

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@cobalt creek You are not the smartest on the block and you keep repeating yourself.

dull moon Oct 4, 2016, 1:18 PM

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He's Kinda cute, isnt He?

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:18 PM

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@lapis widget So do you, i repeat, cause it doesn't seem, that you understand 😉

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:18 PM

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Can i pet him, @dull moon ?

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:18 PM

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He is, in a strange and disturbing way @dull moon 😄

dull moon Oct 4, 2016, 1:18 PM

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Ikr XD

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 1:19 PM

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@cobalt creek you are the one that does not understand. We never sold content. Dont put all server owners in 1 group. We are not all the same!

blazing wyvern Oct 4, 2016, 1:19 PM

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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:19 PM

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And, i bet, he walked around in Windeln, when i did my first steps in Arma/OFP 😄

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:20 PM

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Im going to name him "fluffels"

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:20 PM

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Did i? @lapis widget ? Where did i mentioned, that YOU sell stuff?

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:20 PM

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you dont sell content but the mods make your server look more enjoyable

lapis widget Oct 4, 2016, 1:20 PM

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Said the guy, who compared ModMakers to Companys 😃
"but BI is selling DLC's, y i cannut sell ma staffffff dat othas madeee"

dull moon Oct 4, 2016, 1:20 PM

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Ok, done taking a dump, back to work

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:20 PM

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lol

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:20 PM

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thanks for the heads up @dull moon

dull moon Oct 4, 2016, 1:21 PM

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;)

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:21 PM

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Don't forget to whipe twice.

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:21 PM

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use a bidet you fuckin peasant

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:21 PM

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bidet is for french's

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real man don't whipe. They just fart hard enough.

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Okay, back2Topic

blazing wyvern Oct 4, 2016, 1:22 PM

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what was the issue again? i cant be assed to scroll up with this mess

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:23 PM

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Donations aka selling stuff/"VIP"-Slots

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something like that. I just came here to rant around.

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:23 PM

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the issue was at first with the possibility of steam adding mod monetization again

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then it moved towards how monetized servers are jesus who paid for our sins of growing children with DLC and microtransactions

blazing wyvern Oct 4, 2016, 1:25 PM

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well sooner or later there will be mods for money , when you got like stores with stuff for games

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:25 PM

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Don't forget the "but i did nothing wrong"-part, where certain facts (like: ModCreators didn't allowed it) were ignored.

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Then, its the death of the normal Mod-Community we once had here in Arma/OFP.

blazing wyvern Oct 4, 2016, 1:26 PM

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to be honest this arma community aint what it used to be

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:26 PM

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true, sadly.

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"Its all about the money."

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When i remember... FDF/BAF/i44 back in the days 😦

blazing wyvern Oct 4, 2016, 1:28 PM

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ye but that happiness with modding is fading away

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thats why guys asking money for it

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:28 PM

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Because they see other ppl gaining profit from it. So they want their piece of the cake.

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:28 PM

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piece*

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Sorry 😄

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:29 PM

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oh, right.

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Nah, its okay 😃

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Not a native-speaker, soooo =}

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:29 PM

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Also i think, because bringing stuff in Arm is a horrible process

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:29 PM

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yes lol

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so true

blazing wyvern Oct 4, 2016, 1:29 PM

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well with those outdated tools

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:29 PM

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"horrible" isn't even close

blazing wyvern Oct 4, 2016, 1:29 PM

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i would kill some one xD

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:30 PM

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cough i touched UE a few days ago cough

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:30 PM

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😂

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:30 PM

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The only reason people mod is because the base weapons/vehicles are trash 😄

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:30 PM

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"moved this memory point slightly, now i'll sit here 3 minutes doing nothing while the game packs and reloads"

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:30 PM

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^+10000

blazing wyvern Oct 4, 2016, 1:30 PM

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kinda true but not fully @hearty ledge

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:31 PM

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They wanted to separate from arma 2 and create a more futuristic set

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:31 PM

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Not all of them are trash. tbh, i just didn't liked the setting of A3 (especialy Altis - most boring map ever made in the Arma-Series).

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:31 PM

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I have a horrible distain for Altis personally

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I miss Taviana 😦

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:31 PM

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Takistan 😍😍

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:31 PM

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any other map 😄

hearty ledge Oct 4, 2016, 1:31 PM

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best Arma 2 map ever created

blazing wyvern Oct 4, 2016, 1:31 PM

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Altis isnt a bad island just its too boring for arma

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imho

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:32 PM

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i think altis is a masterpiece

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:32 PM

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Yes, too flat, too "colorfull"

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:32 PM

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although i liked it better before the lighting update

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now its too arid for my tastes

blazing wyvern Oct 4, 2016, 1:32 PM

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but if arma had a proper lighting tech

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then it would be wonderful

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:32 PM

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It sure looks good, it is like in Greece, but.. its so fkn boring at the same time.

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:32 PM

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but it allows you to make very different missions

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:33 PM

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but... no real forrests

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:33 PM

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from urban warfare to open ground tank v tank

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:33 PM

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and everywere grey in grey. meh

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:33 PM

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also its big enough to give a meaning to fast helicopters and SOME planes

blazing wyvern Oct 4, 2016, 1:33 PM

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@wheat wave isnt that with all official islands ? 😛

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:33 PM

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Tanks... You mean: "i turn slightly to the right... annnddd i made a 720 backflip"

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:33 PM

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😂

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:33 PM

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lol

blazing wyvern Oct 4, 2016, 1:34 PM

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which reminds me that in A3 i probably never played in tank combat if we dont count that early showcase xD

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:34 PM

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Giving BI 3-6Month, no updates, just fixing the Engine -> I would be happy and maybe consider doing stuff again, but now... meh.

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:35 PM

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i did last weekend

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super fun

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:35 PM

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(until you flip your tank 😄 )

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:35 PM

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would 've been better if the supply vehicles worked ok

blazing wyvern Oct 4, 2016, 1:35 PM

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or get stuck

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:35 PM

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since my t55 ran out of ammo midway through

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:35 PM

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or explode on a stone

blazing wyvern Oct 4, 2016, 1:35 PM

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with magic called phsyx

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:35 PM

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Quads are fun!

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:35 PM

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Don't ever mention Quads again! NEVER!

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:36 PM

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bikes are even better!

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:36 PM

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Wich bikes? 😄

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:36 PM

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I asked BI for 2 wheels vic support

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:36 PM

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spin uncontrollably in air and die like CJ from GTA

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we reverted to A2 simulation

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works ok btw

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:36 PM

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@blazing wyvern Yeah, Locality is the biggest shittything in PhysX, otherwise -> PhysX would be nice.

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:36 PM

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On the FB tracker

wheat wave Oct 4, 2016, 1:36 PM

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just requires minor tweaking

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not as fancy but it works

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:36 PM

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Nice,

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Was always sad the bike dis weird shit

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At a certain speed

blazing wyvern Oct 4, 2016, 1:37 PM

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you should seen the bike in OFP Resistance xD

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:37 PM

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BUT, i have to admit: The feeling, when you drive around in a car -> Way better with PhysX. Feels better.

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Hey, the Red Bike in OFP was awesome!

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I never died so often!

blazing wyvern Oct 4, 2016, 1:38 PM

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ye that driving with it was weird for me

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for some reason it always went to one side

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:38 PM

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I get used to it + i prefered it in CTI Missions 😄

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:38 PM

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I did play around with the quad the other day, not too horrible if you spent some time with it

blazing wyvern Oct 4, 2016, 1:38 PM

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if you go slow that is

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:38 PM

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No! Fullspeed downwards the hill

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(bike and quad)

blazing wyvern Oct 4, 2016, 1:39 PM

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if i remember correctly those quads from AO werent that bad

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:39 PM

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I did fine on takistan at 70+km/h, you just have to slow down for turns and bumps

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:39 PM

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they were

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Remember the Bridges + Quad in A2

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instaflip TonyHawk 3.0

blazing wyvern Oct 4, 2016, 1:40 PM

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well we been using them only on takistan so no issues there unless a sudden rock

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:40 PM

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Then it was fine, true.

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:40 PM

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Yup

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Altis is not to bad either

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:41 PM

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We finished the Altis-Topic 10min ago, welcome to the "now" Brian 😄

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:41 PM

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Tanoa?

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:42 PM

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Yes

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:42 PM

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Gut map

cobalt creek Oct 4, 2016, 1:43 PM

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I think we should switch to #general_chat_arma

queen wing Oct 4, 2016, 1:43 PM

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Yeah.....

fossil basalt Oct 4, 2016, 1:46 PM

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👍🏻

undone pier Oct 4, 2016, 3:54 PM

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so did anyone comment on the MANW question?

fossil basalt Oct 4, 2016, 4:07 PM

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No, I think it got lost in all the flak.

tulip nexus Oct 4, 2016, 4:38 PM

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Well looking at the kind of crap that was on Skyrim's monetised workshop (beyond the initial "examples" that Valve/Bethesda approached) it's certainly beneficial to have some kind of oversight from the game developers like MANW had

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But the workshop's terms for it were shit. You made, what 25% of each sale? And didn't see a penny until Valve could credit you a sum >$100 (i.e. you had to sell ~$400 of content every time you were to be paid).

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For them taking that kind of cut and arsing around of the sellers, one would have expected they'd be able to curate the quality of content being sold a lot better

undone pier Oct 4, 2016, 5:00 PM

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well the main problem there is that Valve doesnt want to do curation

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they try to automate everything and find ways to handle that with algorithms and processes - yet this obviously cant work for that

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minimum sale before getting a pay-out is common in game dev; i guess thats why Valve just applied it too - also the less transaction frequency/the higher the amount, the less you loose on payment costs

fossil basalt Oct 4, 2016, 6:02 PM

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I'm not sure how War Thunder does it, but I saw a recent post where they integrated a community members scratch built model into the game and he gets a percentage of its profits (when someone buys that plane).

undone pier Oct 4, 2016, 6:36 PM

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well BI did many times in the past contracts with 3rd parties to create assets, or bought 3rd party assets; as far as i can tell even ACR DLC was largely made by externals

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i would assume just like Valve, BI would prefer a more automated process and general framework to reduce the effort and responsibility on their part

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what cant work is just to allow anyone to sell "their" work - for some reason Valve and their partners thought that would be a good idea..

clear mulch Oct 4, 2016, 7:00 PM

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wth 300+ new mesages who nuked this place?

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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=740391502

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get on that lots of nice mods in there cries for DMCA

hallow lark Oct 5, 2016, 12:52 AM

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Looking for clarification on something. If a mod uses ported a2 assets, is a server owner allowed under bi monetization rules to put that mod behind a paywall?

hallow lark Oct 5, 2016, 2:02 AM

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To add to that, the mod allows bi monetization rights.

clear mulch Oct 5, 2016, 5:08 AM

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if you have permission from mod author apply for monetization with BI

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it does not matter if it uses a2 assets or not, question is who ported it and if the author gave you pemission to use it in such manner

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for all A2 assets APL or APLSA applies, read that and that would be your answer partiaally and then read monetization rules

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https://www.bistudio.com/monetization

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https://www.bistudio.com/monetization/faq

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more so https://www.bistudio.com/monetization/faq#c1

hallow lark Oct 5, 2016, 6:08 AM

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Saw that last faq link. I noticed it said

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This means that you cannot use it on a server with access limited only to paying players. This also applies for the derivative works based on the licensed data packages, provided that the author of these works gives permission for such monetization

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Which would mean you can't use it on a server behind a paywall. Unless I'm completely misunderstanding that part. I've been given that link, then told it doesn't matter if they are a2 assets. The assets were ported by my mod team, we just wanted to be sure what restrictions came with the assets before telling people wrong information.

clear mulch Oct 5, 2016, 6:37 AM

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if youre going to restrict access to assets or restrict access to server to paying players only then NO you cant use arma2 assets... I am not an official if you want more info contact BI as I told you

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or RTFM 😉

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I've been given that link
instead you could find it just as I did

fossil basalt Oct 5, 2016, 6:46 AM

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I would say NO as well

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From the links I've just read it sounds pretty clear cut. You could always email BI (as Jastreb said) for clarification).

hallow lark Oct 5, 2016, 6:59 AM

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Yeah, we will just let server owners know they can't restrict access to their servers with our mod.

fossil basalt Oct 5, 2016, 7:16 AM

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You may want to inform them that it's due to the BI licenses imposed on the A2 material. I'd imagine they'd come down with much more force on someone who violated their licence rather than violating a modders license. I.e. Legal representation.

shy orbit Oct 5, 2016, 7:29 AM

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Thanks guys for helping to confirm, we suspected it would be that way anyway. 😘

hallow lark Oct 5, 2016, 7:33 AM

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Yes, thank you.

dull moon Oct 6, 2016, 10:34 PM

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<@&105622502444711936>
is it somehow possible to see what data is contained inside a mod without downloading it (steam workshop)?
if not, will this be possible in the future?

pliant oar Oct 6, 2016, 10:38 PM

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nope, (unless you mean something like steamDB) at max you can use steamcmd (for accounts with login/pw/titleownership) to download subscribed workshop item and take look

dull moon Oct 6, 2016, 10:42 PM

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i was hoping not to be foced to download a mod to take a look inside... thx anyways

undone pier Oct 7, 2016, 4:58 AM

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@dull moon there is an API from Valve to workshop

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one can query all data - even private mods if I am not mistaken

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contact Sickboy to see if he is willing to share more on that

dull moon Oct 7, 2016, 5:29 AM

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thx, i will check that out

carmine folio Oct 7, 2016, 6:36 AM

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@dull moon No, they don't have such an API. If the possiblity was there, we would be scanning the Workshop :/ Unfortunatelly this is another area where Workshop sucks bigtime.

dull moon Oct 7, 2016, 6:47 AM

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Too bad, but thx anyways. Looks like i have to continue downloading GBs of potentionally fishy mods then...

carmine folio Oct 7, 2016, 1:02 PM

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Can i change the license of my mod ~1 month after release? What about everything that happened in the ~1 month period with the original license? It will be "converted" to the new license?

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Someone can suggest me a license that will enrich the community and completelly trow poo on the face of any type of thief?

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The beauty and the ugly thiefs.

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(More the beauty)

wheat wave Oct 7, 2016, 1:23 PM

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are you using content from the arma 2 source files?

carmine folio Oct 7, 2016, 1:50 PM

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@wheat wave no. My content is code by me (12K lines), 3 functions cortesy of pedearthian and Killzone Kid, sounds from www.freesounds.org, 8-bits art from me, images of objects from the BI Wiki, images of real industrialised food from the internet. Some few other images of items from the internet.

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Next releases will have music by me :)

wheat wave Oct 7, 2016, 1:54 PM

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i think you could make your own license

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about thieves, they'll always try to steal your stuff, because that's what they do

carmine folio Oct 7, 2016, 2:03 PM

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@wheat wave i want to allow server monetization.

wheat wave Oct 7, 2016, 2:16 PM

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that doesnt change what i said 😛

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and monetization is not the same thing as theft (i assume you mean someone grabbing your code and putting it in another mod?)

carmine folio Oct 7, 2016, 2:33 PM

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@carmine folio
Just pick a license you like, but changing the license won't be applied retroactively to previous versions people have already downloaded.
If your not hosting the old versions, then it should sort itself out after awhile.

You can just mention you allow for server montization i.e you will be basically dual licensing a product.

Since not all licenses allow you to add additional terms/conditions, but some due if you are giving the end-user more rights (depends on the license)

carmine folio Oct 7, 2016, 3:06 PM

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I forgot to say i use extDb3!

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Yes, with theft i mean people use my code in another mod.

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Thankyou for all the help.

carmine folio Oct 7, 2016, 3:54 PM

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If you wanna repackage extDB3, needs to be opensource license (OSI approved licenses) or an arma license.
Otherwise just pick whatever license you like & give people link to download extDB3 separately

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But regardless like chairborne says, people will always steal crap.
So don't be surprised to see your stuff added to servers etc regardless of what license you pick

faint nacelle Oct 9, 2016, 6:03 AM

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@carmine folio Might be a good thing to check out if using any real life trademarks (food items etc) will collide with monetization rules.

clear mulch Oct 9, 2016, 6:08 AM

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https://bitbucket.org/torndeco/extdb3/wiki/Home

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Its contradictory that you have choosed Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License and at the same time you are allowing monetization and repacking. In this case you would use https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

carmine folio Oct 9, 2016, 6:14 AM

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@faint nacelle i will try to find something about.

carmine folio Oct 9, 2016, 2:03 PM

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Nope you can add additional terms to the license if you like that don't add restrictions to the end-user.
It is also up to the end-user if they like to accept it those additional terms.
(sidenote: i modelled it after mysql foss exception)

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Besides if i don't explicit spell it out people will repackage the extension in a closed project. Anyway getting offpoint

carmine folio Oct 14, 2016, 8:24 PM

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AP-SA license allow people to use part of the code in their own project?

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Yes but remember they will also have to follow the liense i.e
"Share Alike - If you adapt, or build upon this material, you may distribute the resulting material only under the same license."

carmine folio Oct 14, 2016, 11:46 PM

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Can i use AP-SA with the aditional limitation of not allowing the use of part of BRPVP in another project?

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People can change it for their needs, but not use a specific feature in another project.

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Or use mostlly BRPVP but change its identity.

carmine folio Oct 15, 2016, 12:06 AM

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Nope, Read 5b no addtional restictions.... although there afew people that aren't aware of this.

Just use one of the creative commons no derivaties licenses https://creativecommons.org/choose/
Or just don't bother license it publically, it still protected by copyrights.
But some people will assume its public domain, so you will need to clarify it somewhere.

river spear Oct 18, 2016, 11:56 PM

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Hm, if one is using the APL-SA license, does that grant them the right to reupload it to Steam Workshop again?

dull moon Oct 19, 2016, 6:05 AM

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No, APL-SA allowes one to use the content, Adapter and modify it under same license. Technically reups on private repos like A3S and so on are also no Problem. But steam says clearly that ONLY the author or rightsholders is allowed to upload content to steam.

clear mulch Oct 19, 2016, 6:12 AM

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not sure there, APL SA allows you to modify and redistibute or build upon, so technically its your IP once you build on top of it

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assets are owned by BI so youre not IP owner anyway if you used APL SA content

dull moon Oct 19, 2016, 6:13 AM

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Wasn't finished, had to get off the train :)

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That's right, cup for example is not the IP owner, but still the author. So only cup is allowed to upload the content to steam. But since cup also adapts the APL-SA others can modify content and only then can upload their modified content with their prefix to steam since they are the new author of the new content

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But a simple reupload in a New modpack because one doesn't want to use dependencies is forbitten by steam

clear mulch Oct 19, 2016, 7:02 AM

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yeah thats what I thought, but if the mod contains any data which is not part of APL SA content that has to be left out unless author in this case grants explicit pemission to reuse and reupload

dull moon Oct 19, 2016, 7:08 AM

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Exactly

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But the safest way no matter the license is: fucking ask before messing around with stuff you didn't make
looks at Exile and A3L communities

fossil basalt Oct 19, 2016, 7:14 AM

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^

clear mulch Oct 19, 2016, 7:46 AM

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I second that one

dull moon Oct 19, 2016, 8:27 AM

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Best thing is, when you find your content repacked on steam and you approach the uploader on his teamspeak to nicely clearly things up and he kickbans you with the msg "it's APL-SA and free for all, fuck off"
...

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And this happend not just once

fossil basalt Oct 19, 2016, 8:52 AM

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Always contact offenders in ways that are admissible in court.

clear mulch Oct 19, 2016, 9:08 AM

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so email is more plausible as evidence but court... meh I dont think it should come to that point but still email is best as evidence yeah

wheat wave Oct 19, 2016, 9:10 AM

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for a steam reupload 😄 😄 😄

fossil basalt Oct 19, 2016, 9:34 AM

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I'm just saying in general. I never do anything of any importance over voice.

vast notch Oct 19, 2016, 12:30 PM

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FYI Exile made everything themselves

wheat wave Oct 19, 2016, 12:34 PM

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in relation to what exactly?

vast notch Oct 19, 2016, 12:35 PM

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looks at Exile and A3L communities```

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Communities, ahh, ignore me

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Just reads like its rolling developers into it

river spear Oct 19, 2016, 12:37 PM

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Yep

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asked Chris about what he meant exactly aswell ^^

vast notch Oct 19, 2016, 12:38 PM

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Not sure life style asset stealing takes place in Exile tbh

river spear Oct 19, 2016, 12:39 PM

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I bet

hallow lark Oct 19, 2016, 12:48 PM

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Possibly referring to monetization of others work?

vast notch Oct 19, 2016, 12:58 PM

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Probably

wheat wave Oct 19, 2016, 1:16 PM

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personally the only one time CUP had an issue with Exile MOD developers over content they were super friendly and everything was resolved in a matter of hours, can't really complain

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monetization is a whole other thing

dull moon Oct 19, 2016, 4:15 PM

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monetization is a whole other thing
Correct. The monetization and reupload bollocks is not caused by the Exile devs, but the communities using Exile. I admit that there are fair playing communities out there, but the majority fuck shit up to another level

cobalt creek Oct 19, 2016, 6:33 PM

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Just like the majority of Life-Servers. Some walk the right way, alot do not.

carmine folio Oct 19, 2016, 8:00 PM

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Trow all of then in jail!!!! *the robbers.

wheat wave Oct 19, 2016, 8:00 PM

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kill them all, god will sort them out 😛

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jk

fossil basalt Oct 19, 2016, 8:01 PM

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😉

vagrant stag Oct 21, 2016, 10:48 AM

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If i model something and make 2 copies, one for arma 3 and one for another game. Will that cause any problems?

echo orchid Oct 21, 2016, 10:54 AM

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lol what? if you model something yourself, you can use it wherever you want

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you can sell it, give it away etc

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it's your IP, you can treat it as you choose to

vagrant stag Oct 21, 2016, 11:43 AM

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But if i take it in oxygen and then save it, wont BI have the owner rights of the model?

dull moon Oct 21, 2016, 11:44 AM

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Nope?

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It's still yours

hasty scaffold Oct 21, 2016, 11:46 AM

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yeah I think Jonas means that if you make model in object builder (or oxygen2 in arma2), you cannot like sell the model as bis forbids that.

vagrant stag Oct 21, 2016, 11:46 AM

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yes, or if you edit the model in object builder?

dull moon Oct 21, 2016, 11:47 AM

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You are always the rightsholder

hasty scaffold Oct 21, 2016, 11:47 AM

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I've been thinking about that as a loophole, if you use modo to make 3d model and export it directly as P3D without needing o2/ob at all... then you could sell such model (just an example) 😃

dull moon Oct 21, 2016, 11:48 AM

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Really? Once OB was involved in the process you cant sell the model?

hasty scaffold Oct 21, 2016, 11:49 AM

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is that odd to you? I thought it was common knowledge since arma2 times (heck prolly arma1 too?).

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the basic thing is "you cant sell arma addons!" which means that bis tools license doesnt allow selling content made with them (hence my above funny example of doing it with other tools).

dull moon Oct 21, 2016, 11:50 AM

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That's totally New to me. Well, i actually never thought about such stuff and don't really do 3D stuff

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Ah, ok

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The thing is, arma+modding+money triggers me Hard in a not so good way ;)
So i never thought about it

hasty scaffold Oct 21, 2016, 11:53 AM

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yeah its really strange that you feel so strongly to all that monetization stuff but dont even know the basic tools license things 😃

dull moon Oct 21, 2016, 11:53 AM

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-.-

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You are right

hasty scaffold Oct 21, 2016, 11:54 AM

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but who knows maybe I recall all that incorrectly, I just remember that waayyy back prolly arma(1) times the tools license stated that content made with them cannot be sold for profit. I think lateron it came known that donations for poor modders are fine though.

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hmm lemme snoop if I find arma2 tools license somewhere...

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bah no txt files with tools download package and bis wiki link http://community.bistudio.com/wiki/BI_Tools_3 is empty hehe

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anyways probably someone else knows.

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These tools are provided to the community under the terms that allows free use of the tools for any non commercial purposes. Any commercial use of the tools is strictly prohibited without permission from BI.
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Category:Tools

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hmm tools, not content, hehe dunno if that is the same thing. anyways 😃

vagrant stag Oct 21, 2016, 12:05 PM

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okay thanks for help 😃

undone pier Oct 21, 2016, 12:25 PM

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you are reading this too strictly. in regards to O2/OB no one would use that tool if he doesnt have to for commerical use.
also its not like BI adds a watermark to find out or actively tries to catch violations.

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this is a general legal phrase to state commerical use is not desired and only blant violation has any chance if ever to get called into question by BI

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finally it also means just without BI agreement - BI can always agree to commercial use and in general is not against it. why should they as commmerical company

echo orchid Oct 21, 2016, 2:06 PM

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bi owns no rights whatsoever

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no matter if one uses o2 to model the entire thing

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or just to config it for game use

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even though bi didn't take autodesk route ( their student/edu license and watermark)

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it says the same: anything done in o2 is not viable for commercial purpose

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that said no real 3d artist would use o2 to create game ready content when there are way better and free alternatives out there

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but that doesn't mean the IP rights get transferred over to BI

hasty scaffold Oct 21, 2016, 2:14 PM

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okay so its fine to do arma3 model in OB and sell it?

echo orchid Oct 21, 2016, 2:14 PM

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nope

hasty scaffold Oct 21, 2016, 2:14 PM

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ok 😃

echo orchid Oct 21, 2016, 2:15 PM

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but "no commercial license" doesn't mean IP transfer

hasty scaffold Oct 21, 2016, 2:16 PM

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yep I believe Jonas was asking if its okay to sell models (I think).

echo orchid Oct 21, 2016, 2:18 PM

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read above ^^ if i save in ob, won't BI own it?

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this is such a common mistake, hence why people believe mods, addona, scenarious and campaigns all belong to BI

hasty scaffold Oct 21, 2016, 2:21 PM

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ok, I have no interest or part in that. I just pointed out what I knew from years ago when I saw Jonas question.

echo orchid Oct 21, 2016, 2:24 PM

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all the work i have done for BI commercially was done using commercial max license and same PE edition of O2/OB everyone in the community uses. But they can choose to ignore their own license rather than provide one with the same thing but with a commercial license

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which exists btw

hasty scaffold Oct 21, 2016, 2:25 PM

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cool (I'd like to ask what you've done but its offtopic for this channel, so maybe another time).

undone pier Oct 21, 2016, 2:32 PM

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you cannot sell the models for A3; you can sell it for other uses - quite a few ppl do that actually (however at times the buyer wants exclusive ownership - ie military or game dev env)

cobalt creek Oct 21, 2016, 3:30 PM

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@hasty scaffold
okay so its fine to do arma3 model in OB and sell it? <--- Masochist

hasty scaffold Oct 21, 2016, 3:31 PM

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ok?

fossil basalt Oct 21, 2016, 4:25 PM

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He doesn't "English" well 😉 (jk)

vagrant stag Oct 21, 2016, 5:13 PM

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http://i.memeful.com/media/post/VMVNmaM_700w_0.jpg

fervent needle Oct 21, 2016, 7:15 PM

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Question, what rights or anything holds up if someone was to take something from another mod and use it in theirs? Like grab pbos and sign them and redistribute them without proper permissions? In question taking content from both Arma 2/3

echo orchid Oct 21, 2016, 7:27 PM

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none ^

undone pier Oct 21, 2016, 7:28 PM

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well depends on the license

fervent needle Oct 21, 2016, 7:28 PM

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Just frowned on?

echo orchid Oct 21, 2016, 7:28 PM

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let me get this straight

fervent needle Oct 21, 2016, 7:28 PM

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Go ahead

echo orchid Oct 21, 2016, 7:29 PM

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you asking what rights has the guy that takes pbo from another mod, resign and redistributes it?

undone pier Oct 21, 2016, 7:29 PM

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if you dont modify it, and the arma mod didnt explicitly states that its not meant to be used in A3, or cannot be redistributed nor repacked, its probably okay - depends on the usage setting too though; like private team server, public community server, to monetization or life mods

echo orchid Oct 21, 2016, 7:29 PM

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or the lad that made it in the first place (author)

fervent needle Oct 21, 2016, 7:30 PM

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Both?

echo orchid Oct 21, 2016, 7:30 PM

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reprase the question then please

fervent needle Oct 21, 2016, 7:32 PM

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Im looking specifically at "Desolation Origin" that came out yesterday, has content taken from other mods, tyrk(was some of that apl-sa from a2 assets? Idr) some zombies mods like ryanzombies and hlc stuff thrown in there, as well as they have stuff from arma2dayz mods in there and they already have a DMCA takedown request on steam and its been a day.. Lol

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They keep remaking the same thing with different rips of peoples stuff and getting it taken down, again im not on either side here, not part of them or had any stuff I made used by them

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Just kinda wtf is going on situation

echo orchid Oct 21, 2016, 7:34 PM

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yeah it is expected

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in arma community, if there is no specific license written, or direct permission provided

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the most prohibitive sort of license applies

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cc-by-nc-nd

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sort of thing

stark silo Oct 21, 2016, 7:37 PM

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The main problem is that he changed all the headers of the files to add his name in the author list even on files he didn't even touch. He also proceeded to upload it to steam without the authors permission which is against steam workshop license agreement.

echo orchid Oct 21, 2016, 7:38 PM

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steam agreement clearly states that if one doesn't own ip rights

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he won't upload it on steam

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changing headers doesn't make it yours...

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can you please send me a link to that steam upload?

fervent needle Oct 21, 2016, 7:40 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=782337282&searchtext=Desolation+origin

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I dont think anything is theres besides the 'origin' in the name, the original guy still has desolation uploaded and he said 99% of the code is unchanged and basically its new packs thrown in

echo orchid Oct 21, 2016, 7:42 PM

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yeah shit doesn't work like that

stark silo Oct 21, 2016, 7:42 PM

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it's mainly his server files that he changed all the headers on.

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I haven't checked client files.

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but yeah either way it was bound to happen.

fervent needle Oct 21, 2016, 7:45 PM

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I have client files if needed to check, I did compare to the ones and june and its mainly all the same

echo orchid Oct 21, 2016, 7:46 PM

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neah, as long as there are none of mine or rhs, i don't really care

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i sent both lax and zee a message about the above

fossil basalt Oct 21, 2016, 8:15 PM

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@fervent needle is the rogue uploader here on Discord?

fervent needle Oct 21, 2016, 8:16 PM

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@fossil basalt I have no clue sorry

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I know they have a discord

fossil basalt Oct 21, 2016, 8:16 PM

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Ok, np

carmine folio Oct 21, 2016, 8:59 PM

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@hallow lark Desolation mod is yours?

stark silo Oct 21, 2016, 9:47 PM

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@carmine folio No, Desolation Mod is @river spear . DesolationREDUX is @hallow lark , and Desolation Origins is De4dCert's

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DesolationREDUX is all original assets and ports of our own, if we include other mods in the final product those will have proof of rights to use those with proper credits and a message to and from the original owner say we can use them.

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Atm DesolationREDUX is 100% original assets plus arma 2 ports and is in no way affiliated with De4dCerts "mod" nor should OPTiX be considered a role in De4dCerts "mod".

carmine folio Oct 22, 2016, 4:46 AM

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wasn't desolation the mod that repacked a bunch of mods like cup, enhanced movement, jbad, xcam, taviana and even dayz sa stuff?

stark silo Oct 22, 2016, 4:58 AM

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@carmine folio I wasn't really around at that time when original desolation was first released but I know that it doesn't do that now and only makes them dependencies on the steam workshop (cup, enhanced movement). DesolationREDUX on the other hand has 0 dependencies and is being written from the ground up with a completely new structure by one of our talented coders. The main reason why DesolationREDUX has Desolation in the name is because it was inspired by the original desolation and needed to be given credit where it was due.

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I just don't want DesolationREDUX to get mixed with any drama between Original Desolation by OPTiX and Desolation Origins by De4dCert.

fervent needle Oct 22, 2016, 6:13 AM

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It does currently do that(repacks a bunch of stuff), I called de4dcert on his youtube about whats in his mod and I dont think he really had a clue.. Seemed so anyways. As for redux, yes its being custom made, and there was another one floating around.. Anarchy? Anyways if desolation is the inspiration and thats the only thing thats similar then I would move away from it. Desolation was made to be more like a dayz in arma 3. So nothing new there I guess. Best of luck, looking forward to seeing something with desolation not cause controversy

fossil basalt Oct 22, 2016, 6:19 AM

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Yeah, don't think I'd want my hard work to be associated (even in part) with those who are shady.

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So, I'd +1 a name change

river spear Oct 22, 2016, 11:28 AM

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I packed some of the mods up because I didn't know dependencies were implemented back then, when Chris from CUP told me about it I removed everything which was on the workshop and made them dependencies

river spear Oct 22, 2016, 11:47 AM

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No intention of stealing them, forgive me [T]/

carmine folio Oct 25, 2016, 11:33 PM

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what musics can i use in my BRPVP videos?

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i don't want to monetize my videos

fossil basalt Oct 25, 2016, 11:41 PM

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YouTube have plenty of musical tracks you can use.

carmine folio Oct 25, 2016, 11:46 PM

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So, what will happen to those guys from Desolation Origins?

fossil basalt Oct 25, 2016, 11:48 PM

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Anything from a simple takedown to a complete Steam ban I imagine.

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Possibly more if lawyers get involved. But speculation on my part, I'm not privy to what's up with them.

dull moon Oct 26, 2016, 6:04 AM

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what musics can i use in my BRPVP videos?
Every license / royalty free music. Depending on what genre you prefer. If you like cinematic music like two steps from hell, there are plenty composers out there who are happy to hear their music in other videos if you ask them first.

carmine folio Oct 26, 2016, 8:45 AM

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@fossil basalt @dull moon thankyou for the answers.

fossil basalt Oct 26, 2016, 8:50 AM

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The best rule of thumb is "always ask permission first". If no answer, assume the answer is "No".

faint nacelle Nov 2, 2016, 12:57 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=646476994

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what I gathered this stuff is from COD Advanced Warfare. :L Thought the scifi stuff looked cool in a video posted and then saw the Atlas logos.

misty mantle Nov 2, 2016, 5:31 PM

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I would say thats Activisions problem ^^

fossil basalt Nov 2, 2016, 5:44 PM

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Not necessarily. But it will be looked into.

dull moon Nov 2, 2016, 5:46 PM

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Burn it with fire before it lays eggs...

fossil basalt Nov 2, 2016, 5:48 PM

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By insinuating it's someone else's problem, it implies quasi legitimacy. That is incorrect.

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(Not you Chris 😉 )

dull moon Nov 2, 2016, 5:49 PM

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I know :*

tender rampart Nov 2, 2016, 9:21 PM

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@fossil basalt I know of one community thats done this repeatedly

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Including using car-names from companies without explicit permission

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Ford, Holden, Dodge

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Do you know how many communities have ripped copyrighted material @fossil basalt ?

fossil basalt Nov 2, 2016, 9:24 PM

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As they say, the squeaky wheel gets the oil ... or DMCA in this case.

tender rampart Nov 2, 2016, 9:24 PM

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Is A3L getting hit in this wave too?

fossil basalt Nov 2, 2016, 9:27 PM

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I'm not aware

tender rampart Nov 2, 2016, 9:41 PM

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@fossil basalt ArmA 3 Life ripped a lot of models from other games. Including Need for speed models

misty mantle Nov 3, 2016, 8:16 AM

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I dont say its legal or ok. I just dont want to play the Cop for a Multi Million Dollar Company ^^ If there would realy care about that, there would Pay people for this ^^

echo orchid Nov 3, 2016, 10:50 AM

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yeah but only takes me a second to notify david about it:
@pliant oar - cod shit inside: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=646476994

Steam Workshop: Arma 3. Русское описание

Официальная русская группа- http://vk.com/epsmmod
Наш Patreon https://www.patreon.com/EPSM

Версия: 1.5.0 - Бета

tender rampart Nov 3, 2016, 11:17 AM

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@echo orchid Did I inadvertently get that guy in trouble?

echo orchid Nov 3, 2016, 3:05 PM

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he got himself into it on its own

fervent needle Nov 3, 2016, 5:29 PM

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It would have been a matter of time

hallow frigate Nov 4, 2016, 4:38 PM

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@tender rampart had reported A3L to EA back then ‹.‹ got a 20€ voucher for origin / EA store

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So I guess that A3L got some problems / it's being taken serious.

warm urchin Nov 4, 2016, 4:49 PM

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wow that's cool

dull moon Nov 4, 2016, 5:12 PM

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Wow, a 20€ voucher to spend on a tripple A +60,-€ life-long beta game.

fossil basalt Nov 4, 2016, 5:40 PM

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20€ for doing a good deed is better than nothing.

dull moon Nov 4, 2016, 5:43 PM

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Ok, true

blazing wyvern Nov 4, 2016, 6:25 PM

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for reporting one life mod and getting money for it - i would take that 😄

pliant oar Nov 4, 2016, 6:25 PM

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at that rate i would be game voucher milionare again 😉

stark silo Nov 4, 2016, 6:44 PM

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So I just made this new revolutionary life mod, we only stole 50% of the assets this time. It's a game changer 😉

fervent needle Nov 4, 2016, 7:03 PM

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Wait a second, dwarden lets run a scheme here, we rip stuff and make mods with stolen content while you report then and take them down while earning money and we all split the profits.. What could possibly go wrong!!

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Lol

south nimbus Nov 5, 2016, 12:57 AM

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Little confused on cod mod is fan made mods not allowed?

dull moon Nov 5, 2016, 1:12 AM

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it is illegal to rip a game apart, extract it's models, import it to arma

south nimbus Nov 5, 2016, 1:23 AM

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So why don't the halo mod get the same thing happening to them I see it posted on armaholic all time still little bit confused unless they make the models.

dull moon Nov 5, 2016, 1:23 AM

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they crafted the models from scratch

south nimbus Nov 5, 2016, 1:23 AM

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Ah I think I get it now.

neon rover Nov 5, 2016, 10:39 PM

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rlly? 😄

carmine folio Nov 6, 2016, 5:52 AM

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They didn't.

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They were given Bungies permission,

narrow slate Nov 6, 2016, 7:56 AM

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i saw a russian military promotion video the other day. it had the arma 3 signature music in it. pretty funny.

clear mulch Nov 6, 2016, 10:47 AM

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link? There are many fan made videos Russian MOD does not use music in their videos often.

narrow slate Nov 6, 2016, 11:47 AM

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nah, it's nearly impossible to find now. i watched the "new videos feed" of a particular website that rotates them quickly

languid lantern Nov 6, 2016, 10:29 PM

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Anyone enjoy DayZero content, here is a great mod to enjoy it with. http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=791853918
https://puu.sh/s8QPO/f1c1f1cbf3.png https://puu.sh/s8R8c/3a2a97dd87.png mod has "permission" from the creator of "Desolation" and iirc that had been DMCA'ed for RyanZombies, and DayZ content in the mod.

fervent needle Nov 6, 2016, 10:41 PM

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@languid lantern its Deadcerts "Desolation Origin" reuploaded... Lol. The bikey isn't even changed, see if the filesize matches or is almost the same.. also: http://i.imgur.com/Nfnrccq.png http://i.imgur.com/lh8sqva.png

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Filesize of Desolation Origin: http://i.imgur.com/JcGIdw9.png

languid lantern Nov 6, 2016, 10:54 PM

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As the mod's desciption states "Uploaded with permission from OPTiX" is Deadcerts a copy of it?

stark silo Nov 6, 2016, 10:55 PM

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yes^

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all de4dcert did was change all the headers for all the files to say made by optix, de4dcert and blah blah. Plus a few minor adjustments to a few files but not all of them.

languid lantern Nov 6, 2016, 10:57 PM

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Yeah i remember hearing that from someone.

upbeat token Nov 6, 2016, 10:59 PM

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Rights violations, hmm, every a3l server (stolen content) 😆

languid lantern Nov 6, 2016, 11:00 PM

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🍿

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@fervent needle in the end, it's still the origional thing that was DMCA'ed correct?

fervent needle Nov 6, 2016, 11:02 PM

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It seems to be, everything is the same even the bikey

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check filesize?

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you wouldn't upload with permission and use the same bikey as the original lol

languid lantern Nov 6, 2016, 11:02 PM

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2.11GB

fervent needle Nov 6, 2016, 11:02 PM

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so they dropped something in it

languid lantern Nov 6, 2016, 11:03 PM

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about a gig worth

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probably HLC content?

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or CUP, (don't know if it had CUP)

fervent needle Nov 6, 2016, 11:05 PM

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dunno but yea its pretty much the same

hallow lark Nov 7, 2016, 12:08 AM

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On my cell phone, but trying to clear some things up. Optix created desolation. He abandoned the project, and a few months later posted the server files up for anyone to use. He did not post the client files though, and did not give anyone permission to upload the old client files to steam workshop. Months later, he reopened his steam workshop so people could play the old desolation @ANixon#4860 set up while they waited for one of the reboots to finish. Then de4dcert started desolation origin which used a slightly edited version of OPTiX's desolation, and he uploaded the client files to steam workshop. Optix did a dmca on that as he did not give de4dcert permission to upload it, and it was not original work. That dmca stuck. De4dcert then did a dmca on OPTiX's steam workshop. Optix doesn't care to fight it as he's not supporting the mod, simply opened the files so bored people could play the old version while they wait for a reboot. As far as I know edict uses OPTiX's version, and has permission to upload it. Whether the permissions optix has to modify and upload hlc and Ryan zombies transfers, that I don't know.

west terrace Nov 7, 2016, 5:53 AM

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I love how dodgy mods are moving off steam to use a3sync instead to try and hide more

fossil basalt Nov 7, 2016, 7:04 AM

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Where do I even start....

stark silo Nov 7, 2016, 7:05 AM

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@fossil basalt You start by not starting because it's a merry go round. 😉

fossil basalt Nov 7, 2016, 7:08 AM

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Only in a sense that it's the same content over and over seen by new players. The above reference is why you don't bundle content with code. Upload your mod (code). Make the rest dependencies. Simple.

stark silo Nov 7, 2016, 7:10 AM

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Agreed, or just don't make a mod unless you have the talent/team to create original content with all rights to distribute, not just slightly modified code of someone elses hard work.

hallow lark Nov 7, 2016, 7:10 AM

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Was waiting for that "just just" edit.

stark silo Nov 7, 2016, 7:10 AM

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shhhhhhhh

west terrace Nov 7, 2016, 8:02 AM

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haha, no i agree nixon. so much rubbish out there of just copied content. its not original. the problem is that the streamers then go on to play these "mods" and promote them even more to the masses

fossil basalt Nov 7, 2016, 9:14 AM

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It would be nice to have a tool to warn streamers that they are promoting stolen content. Something less harsh than A DMCA takedown, but also could lead to one if they persist.

upbeat token Nov 7, 2016, 2:11 PM

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@fossil basalt Every Life Mod streamer lol

languid lantern Nov 7, 2016, 2:37 PM

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@fossil basalt just go hack servers and send a global AAN message 😉 jkjk

carmine folio Nov 7, 2016, 2:37 PM

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People still watch those @upbeat token ?

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🤦

languid lantern Nov 7, 2016, 2:39 PM

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@carmine folio you can't watch anything else on twitch but Life, BR, and KOTH, rare Exile, BP, etc.. streams.

carmine folio Nov 7, 2016, 3:27 PM

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why is there even discusion about a ripoff from a ripoff mod?
even the "original" author was dmca'd multiple times so there is no "who has rights to upload what" regarding that mod, it's just ripoff content that should not be an SW at all

upbeat token Nov 7, 2016, 3:34 PM

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To be honest I'm just waiting for action to be taken against these so called community's which are stealing content from hard content creators within the community.

fossil basalt Nov 7, 2016, 3:54 PM

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Theres no need to wait for "someone" to take action. If you know whos content has been ripped/stolen/uploaded without permission, you yourself can report it. (Notify Original Author)

upbeat token Nov 7, 2016, 5:55 PM

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To much effort when there are loads of servers out there ripping content

fossil basalt Nov 7, 2016, 6:40 PM

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And sadly, this is what contributes to its perpetuation.

echo orchid Nov 7, 2016, 7:13 PM

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it's pretty simple: you see it you contact author

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it takes 30 seconds

wanton dragon Nov 7, 2016, 7:18 PM

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That maybe true if I know the author of every mod ever created, but those of use that don't follow the scene closely, aren't going to be able to spot a stolen mod and know who the owners are.

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If it really only took 30 sec you'd see a lot more people reporting this shit

warm urchin Nov 7, 2016, 7:38 PM

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check if it has a topic in Arma 3 Addons & Mods. if you can't find it there, there's a big chance the content isn't legit

fossil basalt Nov 7, 2016, 7:42 PM

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^ yeah, plus, the guy that no one knows who has 100 cars on Steam Workshop probably isn't legit.

upbeat token Nov 7, 2016, 8:56 PM

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@fossil basalt You could look at it like that

wanton dragon Nov 7, 2016, 8:57 PM

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except you forget that 99% of the people don't know modders beyond the major mods RHS/CUPS/ACE/CBA

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Hell I've been lurking in here for the last 6 months and I can ID maybe 6 modders from the list.

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Kju does IFA3

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PlayerUnknown does BR

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and I think Soul_Assassin is part of the ACE team

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beyond that I have no idea who's mod is who's, Hell I'm not even sure what your claim to fame is in this community

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I dont mean that as direspecful but if I had to pick your mod out of a list I'd have no idea even if I used it every day

fossil basalt Nov 7, 2016, 9:00 PM

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I have no claim to fame except for longevity maybe (15 years).

wanton dragon Nov 7, 2016, 9:00 PM

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Thats a hell of a claim though and you've been very helpful to me an others

echo orchid Nov 7, 2016, 9:02 PM

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@wanton dragon soul assassin is with rhs (he started it almost 15y ago), so am i. he has nothing to do with ace

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most big mods have twitter and facebook acounts

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send a message, done

wanton dragon Nov 7, 2016, 9:03 PM

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Ahh okay thx I knew he was part of one of the big ones but I didn't know which one.

echo orchid Nov 7, 2016, 9:03 PM

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rhs has facebook, twitter and vk

wanton dragon Nov 7, 2016, 9:03 PM

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I follow you guys on both twitter and facebook but from the few post I've seen you usually dont include your names or even screen names

echo orchid Nov 7, 2016, 9:03 PM

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ace has boh fb and twitter, same for cup

wanton dragon Nov 7, 2016, 9:03 PM

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maybe I just missed it, and if thats the case my bad

echo orchid Nov 7, 2016, 9:04 PM

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well, i for one do, i always stick my icon on stuff 😉

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same icon as here, bif, steam etc etc

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what i am trying to say is that you don't need

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to know ppl personally

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to report shit

fossil basalt Nov 7, 2016, 9:06 PM

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@warm urchin is on the right track though. "Most" modders have a prominent presence on the BIF ( Bohemia Interactive Forums) in addition to web presence. It's not that often that a relative unknown will release something completely independent.

echo orchid Nov 7, 2016, 9:07 PM

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if you ask me, if you are not on bif you are fishy

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reddit blokes for instance

fossil basalt Nov 7, 2016, 9:09 PM

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Yeah, I understand that Reddit can be useful , but it's like asking a crowd of random people on the street how to do brain surgery when you live next to 2 brain surgeons.

carmine folio Nov 7, 2016, 10:52 PM

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^

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@echo orchid I'm not a particular fan of BI-forums

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I got chewed out once so that wasn't fun.

echo orchid Nov 7, 2016, 10:54 PM

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well, it happens across the internet, but it is a place that is properly moderated

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although not the most newb friendly one

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i have chewed quite a few myself on bif

carmine folio Nov 7, 2016, 11:21 PM

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I posted code on there and got chewed for it @echo orchid

echo orchid Nov 7, 2016, 11:23 PM

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lol

carmine folio Nov 7, 2016, 11:24 PM

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It was because people perceived the code I wrote was an eyesore. Which it wasn't they just thought nitpicking it was a good idea

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They didn't explain, that I was running a very deep recursive function

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and append

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No one pointed it out they just nitpicked the code.

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I was using append on multiple [] arrays that caused the array to become 30,000 elements

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@echo orchid No one was of help, if anything they were a hinderence.

echo orchid Nov 7, 2016, 11:27 PM

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most help moved on discord

carmine folio Nov 7, 2016, 11:27 PM

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I noticed.

echo orchid Nov 7, 2016, 11:28 PM

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all i can say is that on the part of the modelling parr on bif

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questions are being answered in detail by the sane 3-6 ppl

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nitpicking and chewing happens only when questions are "i wanna do a rifle, halp"

carmine folio Nov 7, 2016, 11:29 PM

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Yeah no I wrote my own weather code system.

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using remoteExec

echo orchid Nov 7, 2016, 11:29 PM

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or alike, or ppl asking to be hand held and tutored for eaxh step

carmine folio Nov 7, 2016, 11:30 PM

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I wrote a weather script that calculated a smooth gradient overtime.

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It was MP compatible.

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http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=30520

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The script wasn't formally finished

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As the goal I wanted was abandoned

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Skipping time ahead in A3 was an issue

carmine folio Nov 7, 2016, 11:53 PM

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If you do anything in the Arma community, you will get pissed on for doing it by most.

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Like starting this business....

fervent needle Nov 8, 2016, 12:22 AM

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That brings up the question, do you report the content on steam generically so Dwarden will recieve it? Or shoot a msg to the creators of the mods for them to DMCA or how does that work?

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Or rather, what is best?

clear mulch Nov 8, 2016, 1:00 AM

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contact first, PM Dwarden second, DMCA third

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but I guess Dwarden would be burried with PMs then, so maybe better skip that part

carmine folio Nov 8, 2016, 1:02 AM

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Yes poor Dwarden 😛

tulip nexus Nov 8, 2016, 1:15 AM

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Just DMCA it. It's much faster than flagging it and the support people contact the uploader to explain what you wrote in the DMCA form

carmine folio Nov 8, 2016, 1:19 AM

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Best off to contact/pm the person/people that owns the content. You could get into trouble if you start to DCMA content that isn't your copyright at all.
Plus you might end up filing DCMA for something, someone might have gotten permission for & you just aren't aware of it.

If you can't content the owner you could just leave message here, someone might see it & send them a message etc...

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@carmine folio Do you know how many AU people don't give a eff about DMCA?

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And ? Its relatively little effort to file a DCMA and steam will honour it.
If you wanna go after other dist channels, then its up the content owner to decide if they wanna pursue other legal options

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Altis Life servers in AU are cancer

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They have copyrighted material lots of it.

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Police emblems etc.

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Well its up the copyright owner to enforce it.
My answer was directed at dealing with Steam Workshop content, were a DCMA will do the trick.

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I mean I don't even know if the Australian police would act on it

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Using QLD police emblems in a game.

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I highly doubt they would care and one might argue it will fall under fair usage (depending on local laws)
Anyway its up the copyright owner, And i am going back to looking at pboproject logs

river spear Nov 8, 2016, 4:29 PM

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@carmine folio Staring intensifies

carmine folio Nov 8, 2016, 8:54 PM

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?

upbeat token Nov 8, 2016, 11:49 PM

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@ GeekyGuy5401: Thing is most people don't issue DCMA's unless it affects their sales , finicial or they just don't like other people profiting from their hard word. I highly doubt the AU police would act on a community using a emblem...

echo orchid Nov 11, 2016, 12:21 AM

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i just DMCA 65+ rhs uploads on SW...and will need to check about 10-15 others that might or not be private...just saying

faint nacelle Nov 11, 2016, 4:53 AM

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SW is beautiful concept.. but people just are not ready for something like it..

misty mantle Nov 11, 2016, 5:44 AM

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There will never be ready for something like this ^^

blazing wyvern Nov 11, 2016, 8:08 AM

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there is always some smartass that just uploads whatever he wants in SW

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and just for a example - look at the Steam Greenlight lol

carmine folio Nov 11, 2016, 8:40 AM

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Can't say I've ever done this.

fossil basalt Nov 11, 2016, 9:20 AM

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Those that have are kicked pretty quickly.

echo orchid Nov 11, 2016, 11:19 AM

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carmine folio Nov 11, 2016, 10:18 PM

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I knew numerous A3 Altis Life communities that have named the SUV BMW

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Which it is.

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But BI-avoids, royalities problems by simply naming it GMW or whatever

echo orchid Nov 11, 2016, 10:39 PM

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bi's suv is surely not BMW

carmine folio Nov 11, 2016, 10:59 PM

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Genera idea

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DayZ used Handover

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or Coyota

echo orchid Nov 11, 2016, 11:30 PM

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but neither is a 100% representation of a real car

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in any case it doesn't belong here

vast notch Nov 12, 2016, 7:39 AM

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BI's SUV is called "FTW"

blazing wyvern Nov 12, 2016, 10:52 AM

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TITSUBUSHI , my fav car manufacturer

river spear Nov 12, 2016, 2:45 PM

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@vast notch Wasnt that on the steering wheel? 😄

vast notch Nov 12, 2016, 3:39 PM

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@river spear also on front grille, my fav was the Sundat pickup from Arma 2

carmine folio Nov 13, 2016, 4:22 AM

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Please! Stole BRPVP and make tons of servers! lol!

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jk...

cobalt creek Nov 13, 2016, 6:48 AM

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...

fringe aspen Nov 14, 2016, 10:43 AM

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If a server is monetizing by selling VIP or accepting donations. Is it still a private server?

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Can its admins abuse rights and ban players without showing proofs?

fossil basalt Nov 14, 2016, 10:48 AM

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https://www.bistudio.com/monetization

Bohemia Interactive

Arma 3 & Dayz Server Monetization Rules | Bohemia Interactive

Bohemia Interactive monetization rules.

vernal thunder Nov 14, 2016, 2:05 PM

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@fringe aspen Why would you want a server where admins abuse rights and ban players without proof?

fringe aspen Nov 14, 2016, 2:17 PM

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Unfortunately, most popular servers are filled with admin rights abusers.

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They just can't afford being pwned.

vast notch Nov 14, 2016, 2:23 PM

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^^ quickest way to kill a community imo

dull moon Nov 14, 2016, 8:28 PM

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if an admin pays for his server he can do whatever he want's with his players

echo orchid Nov 14, 2016, 9:02 PM

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indeed ^^but there are some others limits imposed by monetization status

echo orchid Nov 14, 2016, 11:46 PM

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you are again off topic

quartz cliff Nov 16, 2016, 6:14 PM

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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=765024652

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two days

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two days and i find my work in someone elses modpack

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god damn steam workshop cancer

cobalt creek Nov 16, 2016, 6:23 PM

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Just don't expect any intelligence/respect from others.

quartz cliff Nov 16, 2016, 6:23 PM

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i'm just baffled that it went so fast

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but then again, the only place where he can peddle his stolen mods is steam workshop while i get some actual goodwill and resepct in the actual modding community, which is worth a lot to me

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might sound elitist but i think there is a real difference

pliant oar Nov 16, 2016, 6:52 PM

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DMCA the hell off it 😉

echo orchid Nov 16, 2016, 11:20 PM

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+1 ^^

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don't argue just dmca it

carmine folio Nov 16, 2016, 11:48 PM

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What happens when you DMCA someone?

carmine folio Nov 17, 2016, 12:04 AM

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Someone is going nuts.

fervent needle Nov 17, 2016, 12:56 AM

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Would love to see a bar graph of most ripped mods

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I.e how much rhs/cup etc etc is reuploaded to workshop

dull moon Nov 17, 2016, 4:24 AM

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159x CUP reuploads either full or in parts (last count 4 weeks ago)

stark silo Nov 17, 2016, 5:24 AM

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god damn.......

clear mulch Nov 17, 2016, 6:39 AM

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https://www.facebook.com/redhammerstudios/posts/1354580727888250:0 😃

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one day, gunslinger 🔫 pew pew

carmine folio Nov 17, 2016, 9:36 AM

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..

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@echo orchid this saddens me a lot...

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@quartz cliff I feel you man.

echo orchid Nov 17, 2016, 9:47 AM

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rhs, 70+ just last week, around 400+ dmcas in the last year

carmine folio Nov 17, 2016, 9:48 AM

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Why can't people be honest?

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And get credit where credit is due?

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Not be parasites?

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@echo orchid Couldn't you start imposing account suspensions? Or steam doing that?

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"You have been found to be stealing content creators work"

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"Your account has been suspended for 1 week"

echo orchid Nov 17, 2016, 10:06 AM

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out of my control, it's up to steam

fervent needle Nov 17, 2016, 4:12 PM

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Jesus thats a lot

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They should build checks into publisher for big mods.. 😛

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Solve problems before they hit steam

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Or maybe register your mod somehow, like with all these people uploading other mods that are already on steam.. Why are they making people download stuff twice and not just make it a dependency.. Seems stupid

cobalt creek Nov 17, 2016, 4:26 PM

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Because: "I made dis"
http://i.imgur.com/snLplqq.jpg

fervent needle Nov 17, 2016, 4:45 PM

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Haha yep

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That should just be pinned here.. Lol

echo orchid Nov 17, 2016, 10:22 PM

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@fervent needle - hope sooner rather than later there will be some 3rd party tools that would allow batch DMCA. if not, i might need to actually dig into steams workshop api myself

carmine folio Nov 17, 2016, 10:48 PM

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As I said @echo orchid maybe you could work with battlEye or steam and basically ban them from the steamworkshop

undone pier Nov 18, 2016, 5:50 AM

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i doubt you could BE or steam to cooperate here. its too dicy for them to take a position here
one could do a community ban list, but again its questionable how useful that would be

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better (3rd party) tools is the way to go

vagrant stag Nov 18, 2016, 4:44 PM

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Could have a script on addons that ban SteamID from using the mods, a script that will do this: If player is detected with this SteamID and is within 10 meters of vehicle then set damage 0 to vehicle

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Just ban people who edit the mod or leak it or upload to other website without permission get on the ban list

fervent needle Nov 18, 2016, 6:16 PM

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Then they just open the mod and remove that script repack and reupload

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Banning wouldnt solve anything, steam wont issue anything nor will BE. Imo the only real decent solution would be for publisher from tools to stop the upload at the source

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Cant upload cant even get to any other of these points

vagrant stag Nov 18, 2016, 6:30 PM

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i dont think everone understand those scripts 😛 you can just start with it at the first line in config to include it, if it does not find that script it will spam out errors

faint nacelle Nov 18, 2016, 7:22 PM

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bans, steam upload control and whatnot are all just bandaid for the problem of people lacking human decency and common sense.

carmine folio Nov 20, 2016, 11:01 PM

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@fossil basalt Is it considered a violation if I open BI .pbo files?

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Purely for the purpose of finding root class definitions for GUI's etc?

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or learning how to do things to right way?

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I mean I even begun re-writing a specific function in arma 3 from BI-code

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because it needed optimisation

fossil basalt Nov 20, 2016, 11:03 PM

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https://www.bistudio.com/community/game-content-usage-rules

Bohemia Interactive

Game Content Usage Rules | Bohemia Interactive

Bohemia Interactive is an independent game development studio, known for the Arma series, DayZ, Take On Mars, Ylands, and more.

carmine folio Nov 20, 2016, 11:05 PM

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I am not sure @fossil basalt There is clause there I am not sure about.

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You may not reverse engineer or hack our games to access the content you want to make items from or to change the game’s functionality.

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Is fixing a function considered that?

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Tonic did this as well.

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For BIS_fnc_MP

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over-wrote the old one and removed a specific action it did.

fossil basalt Nov 20, 2016, 11:06 PM

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Thats where the "Contact us" email comes into play.

carmine folio Nov 20, 2016, 11:07 PM

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Is likely I'll get a no?

fossil basalt Nov 20, 2016, 11:09 PM

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I don't know. I guess it depends on if you have a valid reason that they find acceptable.

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Do people peek into PBOs? I'm sure they do. Doesnt make it right though or ethical.

carmine folio Nov 20, 2016, 11:11 PM

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If it's purely for educational reasons is that not okay?

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Or to fix a function that uses slower functions

stark silo Nov 20, 2016, 11:11 PM

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I believe the pbo's are fine, but ebo is another story. For example, terrain makers have to have the a3 content extracted to use it.

carmine folio Nov 20, 2016, 11:12 PM

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Never touched an EBO

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Most of the answers I was after were in ui_f.pbo etc ui_f_data.pbo

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I was using the .paas to interface with BIS_fnc_holdAction

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And as you know you need to know the path to the file.

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But I'll send an email

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Just to do the right thing.

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prays it doesn't fail

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Which email should I contact?

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@fossil basalt

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Business & Licensing sales@bistudio.com

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?

fossil basalt Nov 20, 2016, 11:15 PM

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its the one that says "Contact us" just below the last line item.

carmine folio Nov 20, 2016, 11:17 PM

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Ah contact forum'

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Mail sent.

echo orchid Nov 20, 2016, 11:24 PM

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legally, just by looking over EULA, you are not allowed to reverse engineer shit

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which is what unpboing does

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in any case, BI turns a blind eye to it

carmine folio Nov 20, 2016, 11:30 PM

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Maybe they'll be happy because I asked.

echo orchid Nov 20, 2016, 11:30 PM

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especially if it is for learning purpose

carmine folio Nov 20, 2016, 11:30 PM

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Who knows.

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Well

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I needed to re-write a specific function that they had as well

echo orchid Nov 20, 2016, 11:31 PM

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there is an answer to that question someplace (BIF, twitter whatever i can't remember)

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from maruk himself

carmine folio Nov 20, 2016, 11:31 PM

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for example they have BIS_fnc_spawnGroup;

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uses TypeName != TypeName [];

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I could replace all those with

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if (!isEqualType []) then {};

echo orchid Nov 20, 2016, 11:32 PM

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good man, you just can't overwrite things that are distributed by BI

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you can write whatever in your own fnc addon

carmine folio Nov 20, 2016, 11:32 PM

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But editing it? Then making a new one for mission is okay?

echo orchid Nov 20, 2016, 11:33 PM

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yes dude, it is ok

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no need to ask anyone

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if you want BI to change their own scripts because insert reason then yes e-mail

carmine folio Nov 20, 2016, 11:33 PM

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I'm a very bad stickler for IP property I own a legal copy of Adobe Master Suite CS5.5

echo orchid Nov 20, 2016, 11:33 PM

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if not, don't bother