#arma3_animation | ARMA | Page 17

nimble flare Feb 11, 2018, 8:34 AM

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resulting in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5dBpVar8Gs

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the 1st animation is what makes the bullet spin really quickly
the 2nd rotates it out of the bolt towards the right of the gun (essentially making the bullet "fly out" of the chamber)
the 3rd compensates for the fact that the 2nd animation also affects the axis of rotation of the 1st animation, so it counteracts it by rotating the bullet by the same amount as #2 but in the other direction

frank mica Feb 12, 2018, 12:45 AM

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🤔

zealous stone Feb 12, 2018, 12:25 PM

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hmm if you are only using rotation then dont have axis in my experience memory ="false" this way it will spin on its own axis and not need to animate other axis and as such wont be out of the eliptical rotation , if roataion is set to x,y,z then axis is required better to be used i think

winter fiber Feb 12, 2018, 4:41 PM

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When working o na completely custom skeleton that will be useable by ai and players, is it best to try to replicate the naming of the man skeleton or use a custom naming convention?

desert raven Feb 12, 2018, 4:51 PM

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if you match the Arma naming convention it might be easier to just swap animation root folder name in configs

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to get it running

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depending on how well you match animation length you may get pretty good results withouth having to tweak animation speeds that much

winter fiber Feb 12, 2018, 5:02 PM

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The end goal is to get this goofy dude https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/halocenter/images/6/6e/Grunts.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100624221513 to Walk, run, Sprint, shoot, Crouch

desert raven Feb 12, 2018, 5:04 PM

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if you want full Arma movement that will be around 2000 animations I think 😄 but for basic momevement you can probably need a lot less

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but yeah I would personally suggest using the same naming convention even if it is sometimes a bit cryptic

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there is logic behind it

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but its not that easy to remember xD

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at least I dont

winter fiber Feb 12, 2018, 5:06 PM

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Lol i dont expect or want full movement

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Just basic enough to fight againt without him flying around in a T pose

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Dont care about vehicle use

desert raven Feb 12, 2018, 5:08 PM

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yeah that would need all new animations too

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its doable though

winter fiber Feb 12, 2018, 5:10 PM

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Yep i expect to have to make Walk cycles, run cycles, sprint cycles, idle, crouch, stand, prone, movement in each cycle maybe? that kind of stuff isnt very well documented

desert raven Feb 12, 2018, 5:16 PM

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yeah those at least

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and no its not very well documented XD

winter fiber Feb 12, 2018, 5:17 PM

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I dont think itll be too bad

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Now give me a week before i come crawling back all mad cause my dude is a more cathulu than grunt 😛

desert raven Feb 12, 2018, 5:21 PM

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xD

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its not that bad once you get a bit more familiar with the movesCfg

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but that may take a bit of trial and error

winter fiber Feb 12, 2018, 5:27 PM

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My main concern is creating the blended animations but we will see how it goes 😛

desert raven Feb 12, 2018, 5:28 PM

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arma blends between animations if you set it to do so in the animation config

winter fiber Feb 12, 2018, 5:39 PM

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Do oyu know if all animations need to start with the 1st frame being the bind pose?

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Thats how its been so far with what ive done.

desert raven Feb 12, 2018, 5:41 PM

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Apparently not actually, I was under the same imperssion before but was corrected not too long ago

winter fiber Feb 12, 2018, 5:43 PM

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Im guessing its completely and utterly random what needs bindpose and what doesnt?

desert raven Feb 12, 2018, 5:43 PM

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Im not sure how it was but it may have been that none of them need it

winter fiber Feb 12, 2018, 5:43 PM

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XD

desert raven Feb 12, 2018, 5:44 PM

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but then again is it much of a bother of having it there?

winter fiber Feb 12, 2018, 5:44 PM

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Nah it isnt

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I wasnt sure if the game would try to murder itself if it was present when not needed

desert raven Feb 12, 2018, 5:44 PM

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no

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if its in the negative frames it will never play

winter fiber Feb 12, 2018, 5:46 PM

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Interesting okay

final dagger Feb 13, 2018, 3:23 AM

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A quick question from total animation noob: Is it possible to reload/refresh animation file while in-game? As in edit rtm and see the change without restarting?

ruby hill Feb 13, 2018, 2:51 PM

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The configuration cannot be live-loaded. I havent tried it with .rtms tho.

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@winter fiber The naming of the bones in the skeleton can be entirely custom for your own skeleton. You wont be sharing anything with the regular arma characters anyway.

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Stick to a naming convention that makes sense, though.

final dagger Feb 13, 2018, 3:03 PM

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But you can update configs live? Or are animation config different?

deft fern Feb 13, 2018, 3:04 PM

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cfgMoves cannot be reloaded

final dagger Feb 13, 2018, 3:04 PM

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Damn

winter fiber Feb 13, 2018, 3:08 PM

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@ruby hill thank you I will be doing that once I redo the low poly to be more animation friendly

ruby hill Feb 13, 2018, 3:10 PM

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Will it need to hold weapons and such?

final dagger Feb 13, 2018, 4:14 PM

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@deft fern , any insight on updating rtm live then? I have preload=0 which apparently loads the rtm on demand instead of at the start, but once it's loaded it sticks even if the rtm is changed. No way to flush it without a game restart?

deft fern Feb 13, 2018, 5:53 PM

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if diag_resetshapes doesn't work the it's most likely not possible

final dagger Feb 13, 2018, 6:44 PM

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Ok, thanks. I'll give it a try.

crisp berry Feb 14, 2018, 1:11 PM

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@Greenfist#3021 did you make sure the rtm is not binarized?

formal merlin Feb 14, 2018, 4:39 PM

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tell me please, where can I take the training lessons on static animation

final dagger Feb 14, 2018, 4:47 PM

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@crisp berry I assume it's not. I'm using FHQ Arma Toolbox to export the rtm from Blender, and I don't see an option to binarize there.

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Also, diag_resetshapes had no effect.

crisp berry Feb 14, 2018, 4:48 PM

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what are you using to create the pbo?

final dagger Feb 14, 2018, 4:48 PM

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Addon builder but the rtm is not packed in it.

crisp berry Feb 14, 2018, 4:49 PM

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i dont understand your comment. the rtm has to be in some pbo to work from what i know

final dagger Feb 14, 2018, 4:50 PM

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No it's in documents/blender currently. Works fine with the diag binary.

crisp berry Feb 14, 2018, 4:52 PM

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how do you reference the rtm? (ie via config or otherwise)

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my understanding is that even for unpacked data, the game needs each file in a pbo first, to seek it out in the game folder as well

final dagger Feb 14, 2018, 4:54 PM

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file = "C:\Users...."
But I seem to have it in the pbo aswell...
Maybe the game uses that despite the full path reference...

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Nope. The pbo doesn't need to include the file first.

zealous stone Feb 14, 2018, 5:01 PM

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try it on P:\

final dagger Feb 14, 2018, 5:03 PM

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Just simply p:\anim.rtm ?

crisp berry Feb 14, 2018, 5:05 PM

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addon builder calls binarized by default

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so the rtm in the pbo should be binarized

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you can verify that with dertm if you have paid mikero tools

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otherwise dragging the rtm in text editor may also show in the first bytes a different header (text)

final dagger Feb 14, 2018, 5:06 PM

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It reads "RTM_0101 nulnunulnulnlunl"

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The rtm is simply exported from Blender.

zealous stone Feb 14, 2018, 5:07 PM

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the game reads from the workdrive , so in theory you might be able to path to P : \ it works with textures never tried with an anim

crisp berry Feb 14, 2018, 5:07 PM

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absolete path reference does work in general i think. however only for your local setup (and diag.exe for this setup)

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@thorny anvil please advise how to determine rtm binarization status without dertm

zealous stone Feb 14, 2018, 5:08 PM

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sometimes i forget to path P;\ in OB and release an addon and then get complaints in steam 😃

final dagger Feb 14, 2018, 5:11 PM

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Do I need a binarized rtm? Or not?

zealous stone Feb 14, 2018, 5:11 PM

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dunno be apioneer and feedback

final dagger Feb 14, 2018, 5:12 PM

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😄

zealous stone Feb 14, 2018, 5:12 PM

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what is your goal anyway ?

final dagger Feb 14, 2018, 5:14 PM

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Well I got into animations 2 days ago (excluding some fiddling around with 3ds in the nineties). Wanted to try some static animations, but minor adjustments to them requiring constant game restarts seemed like wasting time.

winter fiber Feb 14, 2018, 5:20 PM

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@ruby hill Sorry for delayed response. Yes it will be holding weapons.

zealous stone Feb 14, 2018, 5:22 PM

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@final dagger why not use Blender and Macsers Arma_rig

final dagger Feb 14, 2018, 5:22 PM

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I am! 😃

zealous stone Feb 14, 2018, 5:24 PM

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then why the finite detail 😃 ?

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take a screeny in arma and put it on a plane in blender and make the small adjustments from there ?

final dagger Feb 14, 2018, 5:26 PM

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That's a good idea.

zealous stone Feb 14, 2018, 5:26 PM

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comes with being bad at getting positions right 😃

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although nornally i can import the model im trying to set the hands on

final dagger Feb 14, 2018, 5:28 PM

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Just tried that 2 seconds ago. Blender errored importing a randomly picked object of "Small_Stone_01_F.p3d"

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ah, it's apparently binarized.

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Well this is not that important problem. I'm just messing around. I don't think I'm getting into any serious animating.

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Thanks for the help and good ideas though, everyone. 😄 👍

zealous stone Feb 14, 2018, 5:56 PM

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maybe you can proxie into blender IIRC but donw quote 😃

final dagger Feb 14, 2018, 6:11 PM

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Looks like the 'preload' in the config does nothing. The file is read at the game start either way.

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I guess I can forget this workflow then.

crisp berry Feb 14, 2018, 6:18 PM

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did you try to reference a new rtm with mergeConfig? most likely it wont work though

somber aurora Feb 14, 2018, 6:30 PM

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offtopic

final dagger Feb 14, 2018, 6:37 PM

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kju, yeah I think I did. If the rtm file is not there at the start it can't be loaded later, nor can you change the reference. Well you can but the original rtm and cfg are still effective.

thorny anvil Feb 14, 2018, 8:48 PM

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@thorny anvil please advise how to determine rtm binarization status without dertm

use eliteness

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the file must be in the pbo
RTM_0101 is UNbinarised
in a3 (not a2) any rtm NOT using ofp2_manskeleton can only work preBINARISED in game because the engine does not know how to convert it.

deft fern Feb 15, 2018, 8:16 AM

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with filePAtching enabled you can use any path on the drive

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anyway, only type of .rtm that I was able to "reload" are hand anims

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I simply changed name of hand anim path in cfg & diag_mergeConfigFile it every time I wanted to test changes

final dagger Feb 15, 2018, 9:47 AM

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Good to know, thanks!

deft fern Feb 15, 2018, 9:53 AM

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Other silly idea I used was to make ~20 dummy variants of same anim with preload = 0

final dagger Feb 15, 2018, 9:53 AM

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Tried that.

deft fern Feb 15, 2018, 9:53 AM

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all need to use different name for rtm

final dagger Feb 15, 2018, 9:53 AM

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Still preloaded if I remember correctly

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Or did it actually work for you? I may have messed up somewhere. If the file didn't exist at start it didn't load mid-game. And if it existed the original was still used.

deft fern Feb 15, 2018, 9:56 AM

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not sure if it's still working

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after introduction of Eden, they fixed in next 2 patches lag when first soldier was placed on the map

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it was done by preloading all rtms by default

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it's reported in .rpt
10:44:46 MovesType CfgMovesMaleSdr load time 15882 ms
10:44:46 Animation graph: 47 ms
10:44:46 Action maps: 13188 ms
10:44:46 States and RTMs: 2640 ms

final dagger Feb 15, 2018, 10:00 AM

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But if I remember correctly, there weren't lag at some point when placing the first unit. 🤔
Maybe rtms were preloaded in the beginning, then not, and the latest change was preloading them again?

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Anyway, not that big of an issue for me. I'll just keep restarting then.

deft fern Feb 15, 2018, 10:17 AM

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before there was 2d editor

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and loading was done during loading screen

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so you didn't notice it

final dagger Feb 15, 2018, 10:20 AM

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No I meant 3den, but I guess I just didn't notice it until people started to bring it up

desert raven Feb 15, 2018, 10:25 AM

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@final dagger what kind of animation are you doing that you need to check it so often? Also could you not use Buldozer to preview it?

final dagger Feb 15, 2018, 10:36 AM

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Nothing special really, I'm just doodling at this point. Like I said earlier, I started to try animating only a couple of days ago, and wondered if you can reload the RTMs in-game.

desert raven Feb 15, 2018, 10:40 AM

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👌

winter fiber Feb 15, 2018, 8:42 PM

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Question: For custom character do I need to create armed and unarmed animation cycles for movement? I assume unarmed is needed but how does it know to use the hand anims for armed?

desert raven Feb 15, 2018, 9:01 PM

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usually the body posture is different for unarmed and armed movement but if its the same Id assume the same moves could be used

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in the config you will need both

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It could be you need some sort of default weapon hold stance in the moves too though for the weapon hold animations inverse kinematics to work.

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@ruby hill could you enlighten us in this matter?

ruby hill Feb 16, 2018, 8:03 AM

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Heya, yes you should have at the very least an unarmed animation set prepared as one action map. Another for Armed with primary weapon types.
These sets are called "action maps" in RV terms and are identified by updegrees. (CfgMovesYourThing >> Actions >> someName >> updegree)

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Updegrees are numbers from -1 to around 23 or so in arma3. Internally they are enumerated to make working easier, so to find out what updegree you need, you should have a look at existing updegrees in CfgMovesMaleSdr.

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I recommend having a look at my lego man. I've released the full sources, so that should help you get a start with a working fully-custom character.

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https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/201941-operation-blockhead/

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Operation Blockhead

Heya,

 



Almost half a year ago a purely curious adventure into Arma3's animation setup got out of hand and turned into what this is now.
However,...

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Weapon IK is conctrolled per animation state (CfgMovesYourThing >> States >> youranimstate >> weaponIK)

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The parameter is an integer corresponding to "type" used in cfgWeapons.

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1 = primary weapon, 2 = launcher

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In theory 4 would be handgun and 4096 Binoculars, but those do not work with IK in A3 last time I checked.

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This parameter will control what "bone" the IK will be relative to. Since neither handgun nor binocs are dedicated bones in the Arma3 character skeleton, they don't work there.

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You can do some experimenting with your custom one and turn them into bones. It should work.

zealous stone Feb 16, 2018, 2:08 PM

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lol ooh where did i see that concept before

ruby hill Feb 16, 2018, 2:38 PM

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I dont know, where did you? And what concept exactly?

zealous stone Feb 16, 2018, 2:49 PM

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haha , short term memory huh ?

ruby hill Feb 16, 2018, 2:50 PM

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What are you on about?

zealous stone Feb 16, 2018, 2:50 PM

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i recall you came to project reality Dev look my things and leave saying " hmm nothing new "

ruby hill Feb 16, 2018, 2:51 PM

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What.

zealous stone Feb 16, 2018, 2:51 PM

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then suddenly became shoot houses and now this

ruby hill Feb 16, 2018, 2:51 PM

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Seriously, what are you on about?

zealous stone Feb 16, 2018, 2:51 PM

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not even fit to give credit

ruby hill Feb 16, 2018, 2:51 PM

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This stuff is my literal DAY JOB

zealous stone Feb 16, 2018, 2:52 PM

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yeah it just came in flash of inspiration one day

ruby hill Feb 16, 2018, 2:52 PM

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I'm seriously lost here. What are you talking about? What is the issue?

zealous stone Feb 16, 2018, 2:54 PM

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Issue is that you came to Project reality Dev Invited by Deadfast looked at the workings of my destruction of walls and left saying " nothing new"

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now i see not long after you release some things using same tech and now

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i see same brick things

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i think its all a little uncanny

ruby hill Feb 16, 2018, 2:54 PM

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Not long after? That must have been many years ago when PR was a thing for... arma 2?

zealous stone Feb 16, 2018, 2:54 PM

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your shoot houses ?

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lets ee how long after

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pfft anyayw i always tough as much

ruby hill Feb 16, 2018, 2:55 PM

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Oh... wait. Now I see what you are talking about.

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The Walls marked with an X to allow partial destruction.

zealous stone Feb 16, 2018, 2:55 PM

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oh i bet you do

ruby hill Feb 16, 2018, 2:55 PM

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The tech that was developed for Arma 2 and that all Arma 2 structures on Chernarus had?

zealous stone Feb 16, 2018, 2:55 PM

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no this is RTM and thing class and hideen selection

ruby hill Feb 16, 2018, 2:56 PM

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The bricks in the OBH thing?

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Thats ThingX and PhysX simulation. No trickery there. Just plain arma 3 native tech.

zealous stone Feb 16, 2018, 2:58 PM

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yeah whatever i see what i see , you do what you do , no big thing , just wonder why such a thing becomes something from nothing

ruby hill Feb 16, 2018, 2:59 PM

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What "thing" exactly?

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Im still confused what you are exactly referring to. The stacked bricks that get exploded, or partial destruction on my ancient killhouses from 2011?

zealous stone Feb 16, 2018, 3:00 PM

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what im reffering to , is how similar the things you made after being party to the methods of what was said to be nothing

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it seems a little uncanny

ruby hill Feb 16, 2018, 3:00 PM

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That is incredibly vague.

pearl grotto Feb 16, 2018, 3:02 PM

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so deano are you gonna provide some examples of this alleged plagiarism or?

ruby hill Feb 16, 2018, 3:02 PM

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I'm still not sure what concept I am accused of plagiarizing.

zealous stone Feb 16, 2018, 3:03 PM

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the concept isnt owned what i was reffering to in "hwre i have seen that concept " is i worked on that wall since 2001 https://youtu.be/eDJU0WQof7E

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Plagirism was in refference to you coming to PR dev saying the destruction tech was nothign new then using same methods some weeks later

ruby hill Feb 16, 2018, 3:04 PM

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I honestly do not remember ever becoming a PR dev.

zealous stone Feb 16, 2018, 3:04 PM

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one moment its nothing , next its something to shout about

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you didnt

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you came looked and left

ruby hill Feb 16, 2018, 3:04 PM

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I was just there along with Deadfast as he asked me.

zealous stone Feb 16, 2018, 3:04 PM

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we were using C4 at the time

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anyway lets leave it for animtors

ruby hill Feb 16, 2018, 3:06 PM

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Ahhh. Ok. Now I see what your issue is. That I apparently said individually simulated bricks are "nothing". And over almost a decade later do something similar in a new engine with new capabilities as a gimmick with no second mentioning. And this upsets you greatly.

zealous stone Feb 16, 2018, 3:07 PM

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no

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nobody is upset , merely venting about the process

compact ravine Feb 16, 2018, 3:09 PM

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er accusing anyone of plagiarism is a pretty serious allegation deano

zealous stone Feb 16, 2018, 3:09 PM

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yes these things shouldnt be took lightly

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unfortuantely for me its not a problem to write the same code as someone else only the idea is what is plagiraised and that isnt illegal , the offence is a Moral one

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when someoen poo poo an idea and then use that for themself

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after looking at how its done

compact ravine Feb 16, 2018, 3:12 PM

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i think your reading in to things a little too much,. but regardless,. unless you have solid quantifiable proof i'd retract any allegations of plagiarism.

zealous stone Feb 16, 2018, 3:20 PM

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yeah , i would make clear no thief here sorry , i was setting off on wrong foot and trying to say " i have seen that concept before"

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maybe isaw it too many times and my head is broken , apologies to @ruby hill and all for the offtopic there

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a break is required i think 😃

ruby hill Feb 16, 2018, 3:22 PM

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Ok thank you. I'm very serious about IP theft, so naturally I took this accusation serious. Let's return this channel back to normal operation.

zenith token Feb 16, 2018, 5:27 PM

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just because something comes out shortly after "somebody has seen things" doesnt mean he just copied it - it could have been months into the process already. People sometimes have the same ideas - what crazy concept.

compact ravine Feb 17, 2018, 12:49 AM

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or just people using systems already known to them to the best of their abilities,. regardless if someone made something you thought about before, so what, it's modding, someone made something you were also going to make,.

sacred kiln Feb 23, 2018, 8:45 PM

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Are there any tutorials that properly explain how to start animating for arma 3?

zenith token Feb 23, 2018, 8:46 PM

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theres this https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/167580-animation-explanation-of-the-magic-behind/

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what kind of animation are we talking about?

sacred kiln Feb 23, 2018, 8:47 PM

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Weapon holding (positioning), reload weapon that kinda stuff

zenith token Feb 23, 2018, 8:50 PM

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you need a rig in your modelling tool to create the actual animation of the bones and import that into objectbuilder (via fbx), then export the .rtm animation file from there. Then you need to set up the configs so the rtm gets played properly. Dont have time to explain more details now

sacred kiln Feb 23, 2018, 8:51 PM

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I found a rig on armaholic indeed

desert raven Feb 23, 2018, 10:00 PM

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@sacred kiln check you macsers armarig thread on BI forums and FHQ toolbox thread

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both or at least one has simple step by step

frank mica Feb 23, 2018, 11:09 PM

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@sacred kiln Check this video: https://youtu.be/RxdLKuGFJoA

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and the other ones

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is a great start

sacred kiln Feb 24, 2018, 9:23 AM

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Thx @frank mica and @desert raven . I will look i to it 🙂

sacred kiln Feb 24, 2018, 4:57 PM

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I have the Toolbox for Blender, but I get the error that the internal index table is out of date.

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When i try to add a new object

lilac night Feb 28, 2018, 5:34 PM

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Anyone knows what would cause a gesture to keep looping?

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I'm trying to make some gestures out of existing animations, made sure looped = 0; is on, but it keeps looping regardless?

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        class GestureMountMuzzle;
        class SVAR(baseGesture): GestureMountMuzzle {
            mask = "handsWeapon";
            /*
            canReload = 0;
            headBobStrength = -1;
            looped = 0;
            disableWeapons = 1;
            disableWeaponsLong = 1;
            showWeaponAim = 0;
            canPullTrigger = 0;
            enableOptics = 0;
            */
        };

        #define __MODIFIER 1.5
        class SVAR(bandageGesture) : SVAR(baseGesture) {
            rightHandIKCurve[] = {0.107, 1, 0.12, 0, 0.842, 0, 0.8625, 1};
            leftHandIKCurve[] = {0.066, 1, 0.089, 0, 0.82, 0, 0.846, 1};
            file = "\A3\anims_f\Data\Anim\Sdr\inj\HEALING\AinvPknlMstpSnonWnonDnon_medic1";
            speed = 0.26 * __MODIFIER;  // (Source Frame Rate divided by Number of frames) = 30 / 51 = .588
        };

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for config

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(changed inheritance to that one, just because that one doesn't loop, so why does mine?

lilac night Feb 28, 2018, 6:14 PM

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Solved, it was due to ```
18:57:09 Warning: looped for animation: a3\anims_f\data\anim\sdr\inj\healing\ainvpknlmstpsnonwnondnon_medic1.rtm differs (looped now 1)! MoveName: ainvpknlmstpsnonwnondnon_medic1
18:57:09 Warning: looped for animation: a3\anims_f\data\anim\sdr\inj\healing\ainvpknlmstpsnonwnondnon_medic2.rtm differs (looped now 1)! MoveName: ainvpknlmstpsnonwnondnon_medic2

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can't have the same .rtm path be looped and non-looped in different configs

lilac night Mar 1, 2018, 1:34 PM

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Thanks to mondkalb obviously who i didn't give credit yet ;_;

ruby hill Mar 1, 2018, 1:34 PM

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😱

lilac night Mar 1, 2018, 1:35 PM

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🤔

vivid onyx Mar 3, 2018, 12:56 PM

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Hi guys. Idk if this is the right channel for this, but is it possible to animate parts of the UV map? lets say if I want a UV island to slide across a texture to create a visual effect. Can that be done?

tank tracks kinda do that already, but thats maybe hardcoded somehow?

zenith token Mar 3, 2018, 1:24 PM

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yeah its hardcoded (synchs on vehicle physx speed)

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model makers chan would be more fitting btw - i think @fluid breach did some UV slidey thing for water "animation"?

vivid onyx Mar 3, 2018, 2:02 PM

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ho cool. @fluid breach I would really like to know how you did that ^^

fluid breach Mar 3, 2018, 4:39 PM

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@vivid onyx ermmm... probably with uvTrans and water shader. uvTransform is pretty limited though. and the water shader may or may not be working currently.

vivid onyx Mar 3, 2018, 4:39 PM

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hm mkay. thanks for feedback

old goblet Mar 5, 2018, 4:34 PM

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Anyone know a good tutorial for making animations from scratch then importing them into arma 😃

desert raven Mar 5, 2018, 4:49 PM

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what kind of animations? character or vehicle? as they both work totally different in Arma

old goblet Mar 5, 2018, 5:18 PM

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character, my bad

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and preferably one in which you dont have to create it completely from scratch. Say one that you can use a pose from arma to edit

desert raven Mar 5, 2018, 5:20 PM

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if you use Blender I suggest you look up Macsers Armarig and FHQ ArmaToolbox for Blender and their respective threads on BI forums for help on how to use them. I recall there were even couple of videos to get you started.

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To actually do animations you will need to find tutorials on how to use whatever program you use

old goblet Mar 5, 2018, 5:21 PM

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Yeah I saw this but is there any way I can get a pose from arma 3 imported to blender so that I can use that as a base?

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say for instance if im trying to just get a standard pose for holding a weapon to edit the hand positions and reload animation

desert raven Mar 5, 2018, 5:22 PM

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well not very easily

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and if you dont know anything about animating then trying to to it that way will only hinder your learning

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because the Armas .RTM animations do not convert back in very editable form and will need a lot of touching up to be properly editable

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so its faster to make it yourself

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reload animations are simple as there is only the hands that move

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everything else the game calculates on the run

old goblet Mar 5, 2018, 5:25 PM

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Yeah I understand but Ive used Mascers rig but it takes way longer that it should

desert raven Mar 5, 2018, 5:25 PM

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what do you mean?

old goblet Mar 5, 2018, 5:25 PM

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sorry I sent that before I had read what you just sent

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thanks a lot for you help btw its really appreciated

desert raven Mar 5, 2018, 5:26 PM

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thats what the channel is for

old goblet Mar 5, 2018, 5:27 PM

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but can you just explain how you mean with the reload animation and how I would do it because surely dont you have to position the arma for the rest of the animation to be able to position them correctly?

desert raven Mar 5, 2018, 5:27 PM

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In Arma the reload animation only contains hand movement

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well and weapon movement

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so only hands and fingers move with the reload animations

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the rest

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forearm, elbow, arm etc is calculated in engine

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from whatever pose the character is in

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it may have been FHQ toolbox thread that Alwarren made couple of viedos on this very topic

old goblet Mar 5, 2018, 5:29 PM

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Yeah so im currently trying to create a custom reload animation for my weapon but the default pistol reload animation does not suit the weapon as location of the mag is compltely different

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Ok ill have a look

desert raven Mar 5, 2018, 5:29 PM

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pistols behave a little different from rifles

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pistols dont have same kind of "handAnim" which is the pose the weapon is held in

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thats the same for all pistols if I recall right

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but the reload animation you can change

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in that regard the default pistol stance could be useful

old goblet Mar 5, 2018, 5:41 PM

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Yeah how would you go about getting it from an rtm?

desert raven Mar 5, 2018, 5:44 PM

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well there is a rtm importer plugin for Blender

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and you would need to debinarize the original file with Mikeros subscriber tools

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then you may need to adjust Macsers rig a bit to allow the import of the rtm on it

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can't remeber if it worked on it or if it needed some alterations

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then the import only has caveat that it breaks all the nice constraint setup Macsers rig has

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so you would then need to copy that frame out and paste it on another non broken rig

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and by broken i mean constraint disabled

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the rig itself works fine but the controllers Macser has set up will not work

nimble flare Mar 5, 2018, 6:09 PM

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another approach would be to load up the sample A3 character (found in the ArmA 3 Samples on steam) and load the debinarised pistol idle stance animation onto it (you still need Mikero's tools to debinarise the RTM file)

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with the character in the pistol stance, you can now export it out of Object Builder as a static mesh (as .3ds for example) and import that file into Blender

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this way you will still have your pre-rigged character with constraints and all that good stuff, in addition to a reference model in the stance that you want

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from there on you just need to adjust your rigged character to visually match the static mesh as closely as you can, and animate it from there

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that's the method I used for my rifle reload animations - though despite my Blender character almost perfectly matching the reference pose, my animations didn't line up as good in-game, causing a slight jerky motion when fading in and out of them (however much less than vanilla A3 reload animations!)

ruby hill Mar 5, 2018, 6:42 PM

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In Arma the reload animation only contains hand movement
Not true. Reload anims can be full body moves (Ideally prone reload anims do this) while reload anims for kneeling and standing are applied as a gesture layer affecting usually the entire upper torso.
If a reload anim only does hand movement, then it would look very very bad.

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I suspect you mixed it up with "hand anims" there @desert raven 😄

desert raven Mar 5, 2018, 6:43 PM

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true

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too much Witcher 3

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cant remember stuff anymore xD

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also the subject clarification of pistol animations came later

old goblet Mar 6, 2018, 1:20 AM

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Thanks @nimble flare

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really helpful

nimble flare Mar 6, 2018, 7:58 AM

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👍

rancid ruin Mar 8, 2018, 6:36 AM

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Does anyone know what the CPR animation name is in Arma?

old goblet Mar 8, 2018, 9:58 AM

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I beleve this is it AinvPknlMstpSnonWnonDnon_medic_1

thin walrus Mar 14, 2018, 4:47 PM

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Currently making bones for animating for arma 3 - Does it matter if I use the spline IK rather than IK constraint on bones? (Putting it in here due to it probably being more known in animation makers.)

naive hemlock Mar 14, 2018, 6:29 PM

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it shouldn't matter how you do it on your modelling software

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because the bones for arma are not really "bones" to begin with

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@thin walrus ^

thin walrus Mar 14, 2018, 6:39 PM

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mk

ruby hill Mar 15, 2018, 4:15 PM

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I'd suggest you work through a dummy project with animations first and see how to bring an asset with custom skeletal animation into the game. Any other work on the actual project will greatly benefit from the knowledge you will learn through this test project.

thin walrus Mar 15, 2018, 10:13 PM

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👍🏼

dense grove Mar 17, 2018, 9:19 PM

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Anyone here ever think of making a Seven Gun Volley animation?

bold cape Mar 22, 2018, 5:28 PM

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With which p3d from the samples can i make my own static car driver proxy?

desert raven Mar 22, 2018, 5:35 PM

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I would use Blenders armarig for that myself. Or do it in Max with the sample skeleton if you use that.

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but one of the lods in themplateRtm\male.pd3 should work too

bold cape Mar 22, 2018, 5:37 PM

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Okay, i think i will try that blender thing. Thanks!

desert raven Mar 22, 2018, 5:38 PM

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and it is the animation you want

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proxy is just made to represent the pose your animation does

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and to align the character to the right place

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but proxy itself does not contain the animation for the games use

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that is defined in with the DriverAction parameter in the vehicles config and the action in movesCfg

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config examples are in the unpacked A3 data if not in the samples

bold cape Mar 22, 2018, 6:12 PM

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ok

elfin spruce Mar 23, 2018, 10:01 AM

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Hola guys, i need some help. Is there any way to change first person camera position in character movement animations? Or mb just to rotate it a little bit.

desert raven Mar 23, 2018, 10:01 AM

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the camera bone can be animated

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but also the animation has to be configured so that the camera follows the animations camera instead of players input

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changing the vanilla position is not possible afaik

elfin spruce Mar 23, 2018, 10:05 AM

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I mean: if i use another movement rtm animation, can i change FP cam pos for that?

desert raven Mar 23, 2018, 10:07 AM

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no

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that I think wont work

elfin spruce Mar 23, 2018, 10:09 AM

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:c

desert raven Mar 23, 2018, 10:09 AM

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why do you need to do that?

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generally the fp view is tied to the head

elfin spruce Mar 23, 2018, 10:13 AM

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Working on some leaning animations. While player model turned to the left/right, FP cam still stays rotated forward

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Cant find a way to fix it :/

desert raven Mar 23, 2018, 10:14 AM

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you will need to add the camera bone to the rig you make the animations in and point it where you want it to point

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or actually

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are you replacing the default leaning animations or is this like playmove type animation?

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how do you use it

elfin spruce Mar 23, 2018, 10:18 AM

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Nah, its fully working movement system. You change to it with switchmove and then use movement keys to move (like in SMK mod for A2).

desert raven Mar 23, 2018, 10:19 AM

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It may just be your animation config then

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have you checked out how the default leaning is set up?

elfin spruce Mar 23, 2018, 10:22 AM

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Nope :>
Well, thanks a lot for advice I'll check it out later.

desert raven Mar 23, 2018, 10:24 AM

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it is also possible your animation does not move all the right bones

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but Id check the configs first

ruby hill Mar 23, 2018, 10:38 AM

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Camera bone is only used by third person view. first person view is tied to "pilot" memory point which is located in the head and skinned to the head bone.

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How it is allowed to transform is tied to the headbob config value

desert raven Mar 23, 2018, 10:42 AM

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thanks Mondkalb for clearing that up!

elfin spruce Mar 23, 2018, 10:48 AM

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Thank you all guys for help 😄

wide mural Mar 28, 2018, 3:09 AM

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@knotty sigil

crisp berry Mar 28, 2018, 5:46 PM

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I've already increased the standard skeleton with a blender, and it works in the game. (See screenshots 1-2). However, only in the static version. When i try to set the speed in the config, the model hovers above the ground in its standard height. (See screenshots 3).
Anyone who knows a blender or a animations config can help me?
https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/215684-increase-the-armas-skeleton/

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Increase the arma's skeleton

Good day to all.

 



I'll get to the point. At the moment I am working on one project where I need an enlarged skeleton. 



 



I've already in...

desert raven Mar 28, 2018, 6:59 PM

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eh unfortunately first question comest to mind is where did he rip the model from

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:C

thin walrus Mar 28, 2018, 7:33 PM

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rip

desert raven Mar 28, 2018, 7:33 PM

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meh

thin walrus Mar 28, 2018, 7:34 PM

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he's the guy making some melee system or something

desert raven Mar 28, 2018, 7:34 PM

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meh

thin walrus Mar 28, 2018, 7:34 PM

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lol

desert raven Mar 28, 2018, 7:34 PM

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I mean the idea is always neat

thin walrus Mar 28, 2018, 7:34 PM

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arma makes it hard

desert raven Mar 28, 2018, 7:34 PM

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just that people tend to want to skip the actual making the assets part way too often 😛

zenith token Mar 28, 2018, 7:36 PM

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propably dark souls i recon

desert raven Mar 28, 2018, 7:37 PM

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just asked my brother but he did not recognize it

thin walrus Mar 28, 2018, 7:37 PM

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no idea, don't play games like that lol

desert raven Mar 28, 2018, 7:37 PM

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could be souls 3 I suppose

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Im still at 2

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or its a mashup of many armors

icy furnace Apr 3, 2018, 9:22 PM

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Hi folks, I'm having a problem with the ragdoll and spasms of my custom skeleton character. When hit it seems to glitch out and upon death the ragdoll kicks in but the character disappears (I think he glitched below the level). I'm thinking both of these problems somehow have to do with gestures or blend anims but have been unable to fix it thus far, anyone here know what I might be missing? https://youtu.be/hqZ22N0b5Uc

thin walrus Apr 4, 2018, 7:47 AM

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Errr

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The way he reacts when getting shot

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looks like weight issues tbh

icy furnace Apr 4, 2018, 9:31 AM

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Yes and no. It has to be primarily a config issue and I suspect I'm missing some kind of config entry or animation, but I can't figure out where. Skeleton animates perfectly otherwise.

desert raven Apr 4, 2018, 4:23 PM

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do you have custom pivotpoints model?

icy furnace Apr 4, 2018, 5:01 PM

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Good call! I do but I don't really know if I did it properly. How can I check?

icy furnace Apr 4, 2018, 5:35 PM

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Am I correct to assume that the named selections in the pivots model have to correspond with the joint definitons in the ragdoll configs?

desert raven Apr 4, 2018, 5:37 PM

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I think so yes

icy furnace Apr 4, 2018, 10:22 PM

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I'll have another look at those files

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Anything else I could check regarding those files?

icy furnace Apr 5, 2018, 1:57 AM

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So I guess it turns out it was both a config issue AND a weighting issue (who whudda thunk!) I went over the named selections in the pivotsmodel and noticed that many points were weighted to multiple bones. I made sure that every point was only weighted to a single named selection. In the config, I noticed that many references to the bones were incorrect and I fixed them. Thank you so much for helping me out 😃 https://i.gyazo.com/08e271d9727610d63f2575569d89832b.png

thin walrus Apr 5, 2018, 6:55 AM

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👎

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that was suppose to be a 👍

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but i failed in that

zenith token Apr 5, 2018, 5:02 PM

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you know you can edit messages?

somber aurora Apr 5, 2018, 5:46 PM

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he wanted to fail more 😄

thin walrus Apr 5, 2018, 6:55 PM

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yes

desert raven Apr 5, 2018, 7:30 PM

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@icy furnace great work!

reef hound Apr 8, 2018, 7:07 PM

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Is it possible to take an animation from a pack from the internet and then put it on the arma blender rig?

desert raven Apr 8, 2018, 7:42 PM

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possibly but not easily I recon

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you would need to retarget the movement from whatever skeleton the original animation uses

reef hound Apr 8, 2018, 8:12 PM

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gives it a "tutorial" for that? i don't know to looking for. not explizit for arma. i mean general

desert raven Apr 8, 2018, 8:14 PM

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I would think there are plenty of tutorials for retargeting animations

sterile ice Apr 9, 2018, 6:56 PM

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Hey, I've had a little issue, I want to disable Reloading while performing a Gesture, I set canReload in the config to 0, however I can still reload. Also tried using enableReload false; as script command, also doesn't work. Any ideas?

desert raven Apr 9, 2018, 6:58 PM

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what do you play the animation with? and what else is happening the same time?

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is the gesture somehow related to the reload?

sterile ice Apr 9, 2018, 7:00 PM

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i'm using playactionnow, what do you mean by what's happening at the same time? The Gesture is no reload if that's what you meant

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There are quite a few things happening at the same time, lemme post a code snippet.
Edit: This is a function that is executed by an Ace Action

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if (_unit == ACE_player) then {
    _unit playActionNow "kka3_hostage1";
    _target switchmove "kka3_hostage2_1";
    _target attachTo [_unit, [0,0.298,-0.108]];
    _unit forceWalk true;
};
//sprinten
//hin knien
[_unit,_target] spawn {
    params["_unit","_target"];
    kka3_isGrabbing = true;
    while {kka3_isGrabbing} do {
        if ((currentWeapon _unit) != "") then{
            if (getNumber(configFile>>"CfgWeapons">> (currentWeapon _unit) >>"value") != 2) then {
                //Release Target
                [_unit, _target] call kka3_fnc_unGrab;
            };
        };
        if ((animationstate _unit) == "amovpercmstpsraswpstdnon_amovpknlmstpsraswpstdnon") then {
            //Release Target
            [_unit, _target] call kka3_fnc_unGrab;
        };
        if ((animationstate _unit) == "amovpercmstpsraswpstdnon_amovppnemstpsraswpstdnon") then {
            //Release Target
            [_unit, _target] call kka3_fnc_unGrab;
        };
        if ((animationstate _unit) == "amovpknlmstpsraswpstdnon") then {
            //Release Target
            [_unit, _target] call kka3_fnc_unGrab;
        };
    };
};

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@desert raven I'm sure canReload has worked before, I haven't changed anything in the script or config

sterile ice Apr 10, 2018, 6:43 PM

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I've got a new question. When performing my Static Animation, the Camera is very low, is there a way to set it higher? And do AnimMasks work for static animations not only fo Gestures?

wide mural Apr 10, 2018, 7:28 PM

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Getting a working horse in arma is a real bitch

naive hemlock Apr 10, 2018, 9:36 PM

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😄

zenith token Apr 10, 2018, 9:56 PM

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i remember some quality life work... static horse with legs that rotated like wheels. Good enough, right?

wide mural Apr 10, 2018, 11:49 PM

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i was personally hoping for something more like this https://gyazo.com/bcda1b28bc6a46e3776f928292c16f29

desert raven Apr 11, 2018, 3:47 PM

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well its possible for sure

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just a lot of work

supple sable Apr 12, 2018, 8:28 AM

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@m_kola#8704 there should be a memory point in your animation called „camera“ which sets the high/position for your custom animation ingame. Animation masks work only on gestures i think

desert raven Apr 12, 2018, 4:27 PM

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may be an issue with the available rigs as I think they dont have camera bone by default

ruby hill Apr 12, 2018, 4:37 PM

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Animating the camera bone is not really a thing needed for in arma.

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Generally the camera bone is smoothed via script later on to give it consistent offsets and behavriour

sterile ice Apr 13, 2018, 4:47 AM

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@ruby hill how exactly would I do that?

ruby hill Apr 13, 2018, 6:03 AM

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I just checked, there is no script to do so in the tools samples, so you'd have to write it yourself. The script is useful for large batches of anims. If you have just a single anim to make, you're better off animating the camera bone as part of your rig then.

supple sable Apr 13, 2018, 7:33 AM

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Just add a dot called camera to your rig and export the animation to rtm, done.

sterile ice Apr 13, 2018, 12:14 PM

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@supple sable thanks 😁

bold cape Apr 15, 2018, 12:05 AM

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Hello guys, I tried to create a static proxy for my car (I have done one before but i cant remind how I have done it). I used ArmaRig for that. One time I tried to directly export the .rtm from blender and another time I tried to export the .bvh and import it into Object builder. When I try to import the .bvh I get an error "IMPORT FAILED". When I try to import .rtm it works but I cant export the matrices because I get an error which says: "Error no coordinates: weapon" or something like that. Any Ideas? I don't know how i handled it in the past :/

naive hemlock Apr 15, 2018, 3:20 AM

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bones are case sensitive, IRC for A3 it is Weapon not weapon

mossy mica Apr 15, 2018, 7:16 AM

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Are they any good video tutorials or PDF's that are easy to follow along with? Would like to start making some animations that I can't find on the workshop or the internet. Was really Paladrino would release his. But I think his pack died.

desert raven Apr 15, 2018, 7:24 AM

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There are plenty of tutorials for all major 3D software (Blender/3DSMax etc) that use the same principles Arma animations work with. And there are some for turning those into Arma usable format and maybe a few on the topic of configuring them in.

For example for Blender there is Macsers Arma Rig that is pretty much foolproof animation making setup and there is FHQ blender toolbox that can export into Armas .rtm format straight from Blender. Both have BIforum threads that have a lot of basic quesitons answered and I recall even some simple how-to video tutorials. Also Arma Samples contain some bits about the animation configs.

mossy mica Apr 15, 2018, 7:25 AM

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Are we able to create fluid anims or just static with these tools?

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Is there any major coding involved? I think thats the only thing I'll have a problem with.

desert raven Apr 15, 2018, 7:32 AM

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yes and well maybe not major but kinda difficult/complex for a beginner and not largerly documented configuring

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but also rtm animation is solely for characaters. Vehicles etc are animated differently via model.cfg

mossy mica Apr 15, 2018, 7:34 AM

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I'm more interested in Static anims anyway. I would just like to see more out there.

desert raven Apr 15, 2018, 7:39 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95SNlcS_v_A

this for example is done in Blender with Macsers rig

YouTube

Lost Dragons

Lost Dragons Arma 3 Mod - WK-209 Improved entry animation.

Improved entry animation for WK-209 gunner position. This version is good enough for testing it out in game to see how it works there and what needs to be im...

▶ Play video

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https://youtu.be/kLwdxdi7B30

And this is the same running in game

YouTube

Lost Dragons

Lost Dragons Arma 3 Mod - WK-209 Improved entry animation In Game

Aaand ACTION! This time presenting you with a view on how the climb in animation looks in game! Seems that the "get in/out" animations dont play as smoothly ...

▶ Play video

mossy mica Apr 15, 2018, 7:56 AM

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ok thanks!

regal dawn Apr 18, 2018, 3:44 AM

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Hey does anyone know any animation mods that change the running and sprinting animation in Arma 3?

sterile ice Apr 18, 2018, 5:46 AM

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There's a mod from @elfin spruce that changes the A3 walking anims to the A2 anims.

fervent canyon Apr 20, 2018, 9:53 PM

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hello guys, we are searching for some animation people for adult arma 3 films.

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Anybody interested in this offer?

ornate hound Apr 20, 2018, 9:53 PM

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pls dont 😄

fervent canyon Apr 20, 2018, 9:54 PM

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Sush @ornate hound we need this it's gonna be huge.

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i dont want to advertise because that's naughty 😉 but we do have a domain for this hosted 'adult' content.

ornate hound Apr 20, 2018, 9:54 PM

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this is getting out of hands 😄

fervent canyon Apr 20, 2018, 9:55 PM

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Gonna need more than one hand mate, we are going places.

nimble flare Apr 20, 2018, 10:03 PM

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so many questions...

ornate hound Apr 20, 2018, 10:05 PM

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😄

slow inlet Apr 20, 2018, 10:07 PM

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#creators_recruiting

ornate hound Apr 20, 2018, 10:08 PM

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this is serious we already bought a good domain for it

desert raven Apr 20, 2018, 10:21 PM

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Id guess BI would be interested in how you intend to use their product.

outer hatch Apr 20, 2018, 10:21 PM

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Ishygddt

desert raven Apr 20, 2018, 10:21 PM

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?

outer hatch Apr 20, 2018, 10:22 PM

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Shiggy Diggy Doo

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If you're still unsure of the meaning of those two phrases, feel free to use google.

desert raven Apr 20, 2018, 10:43 PM

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well aint you a sassy one 😛

ornate hedge Apr 21, 2018, 2:29 AM

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Hey everyone, I have an animal doing a walking animation, and it moves forward in object builder, but when I bring it in game it doesn't actually move forward. If I use the dog or goat with my config it works fine so I think something is wrong with the rtm. Any ideas?

drowsy nymph Apr 21, 2018, 6:34 AM

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did you set xstep values in the named properties?

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https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/165004-walk-animation-dont-move-the-player/

desert raven Apr 21, 2018, 8:49 AM

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👆 this exactly. character moving animations are not supposed to move it in OB but the cycle is suppose to run on its place. The xStep value is then what moves the character in game

grizzled nymph Apr 21, 2018, 2:31 PM

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For those who are interested in keeping track with @jaunty pelican @cedar summit and my mod. https://discord.gg/7N3uXUR
We are making a static pose pack

floral oak Apr 22, 2018, 12:34 PM

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Hey Guys any idea why this happens ? https://imgur.com/ulCFuB8

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in max it looks like this https://i.imgur.com/Y6T9pz9.png

zenith token Apr 22, 2018, 12:38 PM

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your rig propably has an error. If it was something else you'd see spaghetti fingers everywhere

floral oak Apr 22, 2018, 12:40 PM

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i used the rig of toadies video on youtube

zenith token Apr 22, 2018, 12:41 PM

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how do the fingers look when fbx is imported to OB?

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if they are crippled there it is rig problem. if not maybe a wrong or incomplete model.cfg ?

floral oak Apr 22, 2018, 12:43 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/uWCsULv.png

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looks normal

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so probably the model.cfg ?

zenith token Apr 22, 2018, 12:46 PM

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possibly yes

floral oak Apr 22, 2018, 12:46 PM

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okay will look at this, thanks for the first tip of direction ^^

floral oak Apr 22, 2018, 2:19 PM

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so I checked model.cfg but there is every bone defined.

desert raven Apr 22, 2018, 3:00 PM

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could still be the rig

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what does it look like in OB when imported on a character

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or in Buldozer via

📎 unknown.png

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or your export workflow

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or wrong bone names in the rig

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is your model.cfg copied from vanilla armaman? @floral oak

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what do you pack the animations with?

floral oak Apr 22, 2018, 3:11 PM

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so, i started from new looks better now https://imgur.com/a/AArgmch

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didnt changed a lot so far, just basic positioned the hands

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before the 2nd try, the rig looked like this in OB https://i.imgur.com/uWCsULv.png, with a character it looked like this https://i.imgur.com/yqbhpMg.png

desert raven Apr 22, 2018, 3:28 PM

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im thinking there could be some upprecase/lowercase differenece somewhere if that happens

frank mica Apr 29, 2018, 6:45 AM

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there's anyway to make custom handanims for pistols?

naive hemlock Apr 29, 2018, 8:17 AM

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nope

deft fern Apr 29, 2018, 8:18 PM

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just like regular hand anim

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except you cannot control distance of pistol from body since there is no pistol bone (gun is glued to left hand)

somber aurora Apr 29, 2018, 8:34 PM

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*right hand no?

deft fern Apr 29, 2018, 8:58 PM

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yea, right, sorry

naive hemlock Apr 29, 2018, 9:33 PM

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really? why was under the assumption that i cannot do 1 hand anims for instance @deft fern

deft fern Apr 29, 2018, 9:34 PM

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because you cant

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left hand is referencing right hand

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so both left & right are at fixed distance from player body

naive hemlock Apr 29, 2018, 9:34 PM

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so...you can't really do hand custom hand anims then

deft fern Apr 29, 2018, 9:35 PM

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you can only move hand left/right & up/down

naive hemlock Apr 29, 2018, 9:35 PM

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ahhhh

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gotch, distance is fixed, IK sort of works on Z (math) plane

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but, yet another quesiton, could i do gangsta pose?

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as in rotate right hand 90 degrees counterclock?

deft fern Apr 29, 2018, 9:36 PM

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hm

naive hemlock Apr 29, 2018, 9:37 PM

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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/04/article-2212899-1559AF7D000005DC-389_634x705.jpg

deft fern Apr 29, 2018, 9:37 PM

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probably it would end up with a little bit retarted gangsta

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but it might be worth trying

naive hemlock Apr 29, 2018, 9:37 PM

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yeah that is what would end up either way because there is 0 effect on the shoulders

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cheers man 😄

zenith token Apr 29, 2018, 10:38 PM

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so i could make 2 pistols in one model and make hand anim to match dual wielding? - at least visually?

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or are the hands also fixed in distance relative to each other, and i can only move both at the same time?

blazing panther Apr 30, 2018, 4:08 AM

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May I ask why there is no way to animate pistols? How come they're different to main weapons?

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handanim anyway

sterile ice Apr 30, 2018, 6:25 AM

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@blazing panther Pistols don't have a bone, so you cannot anímate the position of it. @zenith token That won't work, but you could make it a rifle, at least in the Config. But you would still shoot with both pistols at the same time or only one of them depending on how you set it up. It would still be treated as one weapon.

Both Pistols would need to be in one p3d and they would be in a fixed position, that could cause issues when running or when performing other animations. It might look weird. Also I don't know if it's configurable to anímate both slides independently from each other, you would need to anímate the left slide on first shot and the second slide on second shot etc. that might work but Im not sure.

naive hemlock Apr 30, 2018, 8:17 AM

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@X3KJ#8043 hmm, good question

desert raven Apr 30, 2018, 8:21 AM

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can player muzzle be selected/changed via script? Im thinking both barrels are individual muzzles so they could have individual animations and a script switches between them via fired eventhandler.

zenith token Apr 30, 2018, 4:59 PM

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it was more a hypothetical technical question as example to find the limits - if i would really want to make dual pistols i would propably make it as rifle for ease of use

frank mica May 2, 2018, 1:58 AM

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thx guys

tawny mango May 3, 2018, 3:19 PM

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have a potentially stupid question

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is it at all possible to have in place animations instead of root motion for arma movement?

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has anybody tried this b4

somber aurora May 3, 2018, 3:19 PM

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do you mean playing the animation but without the unit moving?

tawny mango May 3, 2018, 3:20 PM

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yes

somber aurora May 3, 2018, 3:20 PM

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you could attachTo the unit to an invisible Logic or helipad and make it play or switchAnim 🙂

tawny mango May 3, 2018, 3:21 PM

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I mean for general play

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like the unit moves not based off the animation to walk around but just values for their speed

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like a lot of other faster pace games

somber aurora May 3, 2018, 3:22 PM

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you could use https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/setAnimSpeedCoef

tawny mango May 3, 2018, 3:23 PM

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that just speeds up the animation and in turn movement speed

somber aurora May 3, 2018, 3:23 PM

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( this would be #arma3_scripting )
it allows you to make people move faster

tawny mango May 3, 2018, 3:23 PM

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I haven't looked at the animation configs in ages nd I'm not at pc

somber aurora May 3, 2018, 3:23 PM

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but then short answer: no, you can't set a speed and make the player respect it in every direction (or without heavy boring (buggy?) scripting)

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besides mods that is

tawny mango May 3, 2018, 3:24 PM

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it will be a mod

somber aurora May 3, 2018, 3:24 PM

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I let the experts here talk then 😉

tawny mango May 3, 2018, 3:26 PM

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just curious because playing the game for once last night just feels so clunky and unresponsive like when strafing side to side while running, got it in my head it may be possible to change that somehow in the config but idk someone else probably has had the same idea

desert raven May 3, 2018, 3:27 PM

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armas animation system is not very good for that Imo

somber aurora May 3, 2018, 3:27 PM

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mods may already exist on the SteamStore

desert raven May 3, 2018, 3:27 PM

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due to how the switching between animations work

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I believe @sly violet was working on something to fix/smooth some transitions

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cant remember how succesful that was in the end

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Imo the clunkyness has a realistic feel to it because how often do you instantly switch directions when running and whatnot

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especially on rough terrain

tawny mango May 3, 2018, 3:37 PM

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yea that is true I've been spoiled by other games which don't use root motion

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I'll play with it for like 10min tonight then just give up

sly violet May 3, 2018, 5:45 PM

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@Crazy Mike#9903 I made quite a bit of improvements if I can say so myself. Its still wonky, but at least the movement feels a bit nicer

sly violet May 5, 2018, 1:02 PM

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What collision models do the animations use? Are those simple cubes, or is there anything else going on like named vertexes and such? I want to create my own collision model for an animation.

desert raven May 5, 2018, 1:06 PM

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man animations?

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I think different stances use variatios of the man geometery blob

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📎 unknown.png

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of which each verticle is named and it blends between the different shapes for different stances

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like when prone the blob is a lot shorter and wider

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as far as I know theres not much more to geometry in man animations

sly violet May 5, 2018, 1:13 PM

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@desert raven Ok, thats What I wanted to know (and see). Would you happen to have a unbinarized, working stand and crouch collision models? I want to mess around with that a little bit.

desert raven May 5, 2018, 1:13 PM

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mm may have them somewhere in the A2 data

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dont think those differ from A3

sly violet May 5, 2018, 1:14 PM

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I tried the ODOL converer but it completely broke it.

desert raven May 5, 2018, 1:16 PM

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@sly violet do you have the A2 licensed datapack?

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the A2 geometries actually seem a bit different but should offer an example anyway

sly violet May 5, 2018, 1:26 PM

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No, I must have deleted it at some point

tawny mango May 5, 2018, 2:05 PM

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yea A2 data are what your looking for

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pretty sure the animation stuff didn't change much between games

ruby hill May 5, 2018, 2:11 PM

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The geo lod of the character model is not used for collisions with the environment.

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Each animation state (CfgMovesMaleSdr >> States >> SomeAnimState) has a parameter called collisionshape, which points to a .p3d that is a simple geo lod. This geo lod contains volumes shaped to match the general posture of this animation.

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a3\anims_f\data\geom\sdr is where you can find the currently used ones.

desert raven May 5, 2018, 2:40 PM

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yes but those cant be opened 😄

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@ruby hill you happen to know if the A2 shapes are all same as what A3 uses

ruby hill May 5, 2018, 2:43 PM

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you can open them with T-D's odol converter for education.

desert raven May 5, 2018, 2:44 PM

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above Taro said it did not work

ruby hill May 5, 2018, 2:44 PM

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worked for me

desert raven May 5, 2018, 2:44 PM

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user error then 😄

ruby hill May 5, 2018, 2:44 PM

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A2 shapes were very box, but 45° angled towards the front to allow "gliding" around edges

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A3's are cylinders

desert raven May 5, 2018, 2:45 PM

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alright then they are not much of use in this case

zenith token May 5, 2018, 2:45 PM

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interesting. So what is the geo in infantry actually used for then?

tired needle May 5, 2018, 2:49 PM

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Presumably when you're pushing up against another unit?

zenith token May 5, 2018, 3:00 PM

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shouldnt the stance be also affecting this (logically)?

ruby hill May 5, 2018, 3:30 PM

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Yes.

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Each animation state (so basically each .rtm) is paried with a collision shape that mimics the stacne its in.

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The geo inside the character is not used for anything directly, but I can imagine it serving as a reference for the collision shape.

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I.e the character's geo is made up of three objects and relevant named selections for vertices.

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It will look for just these inside the collisionshapes. But thats just an assumption.

deft fern May 5, 2018, 8:31 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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btw: collision shapes are also working for vehicle animations

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I've added them last year to i.e. static weapons anims so you can no longer move inside of gunner

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sly violet May 7, 2018, 5:57 AM

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So after much trial and error I did pretty uch everything I could to smooth out the A3 animations, make the movement feel less janky. Still, due to how arma handles movement, we cannot have the smooth movement you get in other games. There is always that imprecise feeling. Yeah yeah, "realistic" feeling of weight, but for me it just feels bad to control, I do not like to feel like I'm fighting with the controls.
One thing I figured out is that boosting the animation speed, even if just by 12.5% (used XEH and setAnimationSpeedMult) the controls feel snappier, a bit nicer.
I tried messing around with interpolation time, interpolation mode, collisions and such, but aside from letting animations to blend steps, increasing animation speed and adding a quick fix to janky crouch movement, I can't think of any other ways to further smooth out the animations in A3.
If you can think of something let me know.

crisp berry May 7, 2018, 6:27 AM

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@sly violet did you have a chat with @torpid star ?

torpid star May 7, 2018, 1:29 PM

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i was always interested in this too. i understand the idea of having some kind of character inertia but i personally feel that having very responsive direct control feels more real and immersive than controlling a puppet with some delays.

i'm pretty sure that some of the lack of responsiveness is probably not by design either but rather overall input delay and quirks of the anim system.

i'd look into how animals are set up. i feel like i remember there being something with speed being done more like a vehicle. like when you'd play as a dog you'd slowly accelerate and the anim playback speed would scale seamlessly with that or something. as opposed to using the "step" values inside the rtm files

vestal forge May 7, 2018, 1:36 PM

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What do you mean with smooth? Could you make a game example? I f.e. hate how smooth the pubg movement is. I just slide around and lose control over the player....

sly violet May 7, 2018, 1:36 PM

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less jerky movement

somber aurora May 7, 2018, 1:38 PM

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I liked the "kneeling left-right" improvement yes - stop taking a knee in the middle

torpid star May 7, 2018, 1:38 PM

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pubg isn't smooth tbh. they have some weird velocity being added. i'd prefer it being anims only

vestal forge May 7, 2018, 1:39 PM

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so like... source engine?

torpid star May 7, 2018, 1:39 PM

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i think the idea is to have classic FPS movement. direct control and anims follow for visuals

sly violet May 7, 2018, 1:49 PM

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https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/197893-smoother-animations-v4/

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A new version now with the fixed kneel interpolation as well as couple other things

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And yeah, its about making arma control more like traditional FPS. The animation based movement is imprecise and it feels like there is something interfering with your controls.

torpid star May 7, 2018, 1:55 PM

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i don't know details about the dogs. just a random thought. might be a dead end. it would probably be best to make a seperate set of actions to experiment with. like the panic civ anims. some closed cycle that is easier to manage for research

sly violet May 7, 2018, 1:58 PM

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And that something that is interfering is the interpolation speed. Due to how arma is set up when engine interpolates from animation to animation, you are essentially loosing control as the movement is tied to the animation.

torpid star May 7, 2018, 2:01 PM

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yea you'd probably need to do something insanely hacky and half scripted to get around that

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one thing i remember from playing around with monster creatures and their animations that once i had them at a stage where animations weren't working and they still could move. basically chasing you half sunk into the ground in a t-pose.

at that stage their chasing accuracy was perfect because it wasn't hindered by animations. i never tried to recreate that though. it probably would trow a lot of errors too

sly violet May 7, 2018, 2:23 PM

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@badbenson#0154 Ok, so the dog has the interpolation speed of 1, this means it takes 1 second (its 1/interpolationspeed) to switch from animation to animation. That what gives that smooth transiton. However this is REALLY bad for human with weapons animations. I tried that and you pretty much loose all control as it takes very long time to switch between animations. I also tried ultra fast interpolationspeed but it just looked bad and didn't feel much better.
The issue is that movement is tied directly to animations thanks to RTM motion vector each one has.

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now, if there was a way to override the RTM motion vector while having the animation play, then it might do something akin to traditional FPS movement (ie. animations following movement instead of other way around).

frank yoke May 9, 2018, 7:00 AM

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Static weapons recoil: how to?
I've tried to use "reload" source in model.cfg, but it isn't working, I think vehicles can't operate on "reload" source. How is it done then?

drowsy nymph May 9, 2018, 7:08 AM

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On vehicles you make your own animation source and assign it a weapon

frank yoke May 9, 2018, 7:12 AM

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allright, so it's "user" source

drowsy nymph May 9, 2018, 7:12 AM

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{
    class hmg_recoils
    {
        source = "reload";
        weapon = "my_hmg_weapon";
    };
};```

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see above, you copy the reload source effectively, but make it specific to the vehicle's mounted weapon

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so you have different sources per turret or turret weapon

frank yoke May 9, 2018, 7:15 AM

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okay, allright

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and the weapon name is classname of the weapon used in vehicle

drowsy nymph May 9, 2018, 7:15 AM

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yes, exactly

somber grail May 10, 2018, 10:23 PM

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Anybody got a slick way of merging the existing charactor anims to a new character?

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The model I have atm, doesn't have any named selections for the bones. Is it a case of manually selecting the faces and defining them as bones for the model.cfg? or can I merge the existing samples one?

drowsy nymph May 10, 2018, 10:43 PM

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You need to learn to paint weights properly

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named selections aren't enough

torpid star May 11, 2018, 12:48 AM

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@somber grail look into using "skinwrap" modifier (might have the name wrong) in 3ds max. you can copy the weights of the 3dsmax sample character. this is only feasible ,if proportion, size and pose of the model match enough. pose can be fixed by making your own simple rig though.

somber grail May 11, 2018, 6:49 AM

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Ok, thanks for the tips. Although I have 3ds max, I use Maya 99 % of the time. I hear YouTube calling me in someway. Before I posted that message, I did pm you tongue in cheek badbenson about the model because I know you know animations.

naive hemlock May 11, 2018, 11:20 AM

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you can weight characters vertices to bones with any proper modelling/anim software, max and maya included(and all the other mature ones out there as well, not just autodesk products). if anything, maya has more robust tools for this than max does out of the box

somber grail May 11, 2018, 3:44 PM

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interesting to know. I have two options I have discovered today. I can go at this new project fresh or I get permission to port an old a2 project to a3 using the model I have now as a res lod.

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/292105957771837441/443336839357792256/IMG_20180508_010756.jpg

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I actually have two versions of that model from two different people. I brought them from cg trader quite cheap and I'm surprised at how good they look. So Straight away I got thinking this HAS to be done in arma 3 for a number of reason.

reading and following the current development of the new film.
Phantom arts is going to be making the missions for it, which he does very well in the past minus the model.
people shit themselves quite abit with the a2 version. The current a3 missions are missing the animated model.

One of the versions I have is a combat model, this has all the rigging and animation in it but the files are some what not able to open in maya although I got the fbx file types.

zenith token May 11, 2018, 4:11 PM

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i would check behaviour of IP owner first... if they sue mods and stuff left right and center dont even bother

somber grail May 11, 2018, 4:17 PM

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https://www.cgtrader.com/pages/terms-and-conditions#general-terms-of-licensing

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Its part of this

zenith token May 11, 2018, 4:17 PM

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the IP owner of alien and predator is not cgtrader

somber grail May 11, 2018, 4:18 PM

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ah right ok,. I'll go a bit deeper, thanks for the tip

somber grail May 11, 2018, 4:54 PM

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got permission for the one in the image now, woohoo.

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"svoloch1992018-05-11 16:25 (25 minutes ago)
hello. I do not quite understand what you are asking me about, but if you need my permission as the copyright owner of the model, then I give it to you. yes, you can ."

zenith token May 11, 2018, 4:56 PM

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wrong yet again. read who owns the intellectual property of predator. Hint: it's not some single bloke. Its a corporation

somber grail May 11, 2018, 4:56 PM

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fuck yeah got ya. this was the problem the guys on the starwars mod had wasn't it?

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I could make him pink.lmao

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anyway, its already been done in arma 2.

zenith token May 11, 2018, 5:00 PM

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that doesnt say much. I'm saying you need to be aware of the dangers before commiting to work. thats all.

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i'm in a similar boat after all

somber grail May 11, 2018, 5:01 PM

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yeah we all are aren't we when it comes to something that is not our original idea. Yet, be fucking awesome to have that ugly mother fcuker in Arma 3.

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"If you do this, Fox will sue the **** out of you.

I say it because back in the Marathon (the grandfather of Halo, for the Mac), me and my friends did a mod based on the Alien universe. All was nice and cool and we ended up with a decent total conversion. We posted it online and a few days later, 20th Century Fox unleashed its fury with a non polite cease and desist.

With that said, you can create an alien pet that looks a little like the Giger's Aliens, but it can't be 100% a like.

Just sayin."

HMMMMMMM????????

quote I dfound on a simliar topic

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Right I'll leave it there and work somthing out. Not going too far off topic.

somber grail May 11, 2018, 5:38 PM

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@naive hemlock do you know if maya will export everything well enough to go into O2? I only say this as I hear time and time again that maya and o2 don't mix all that well. But I don't seem to have much of a problem with .fbx files when it is a buillding.

pastel solstice May 12, 2018, 4:08 PM

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Anyone knows why a model with animations put in mission file with simulation enables is not moving and if I do create vehicle it is moving?

naive hemlock May 12, 2018, 4:11 PM

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@idle apexy#8432 both max and maya fbx exporters are the same underneath, so if it works from max, should definatelly work from maya (maya is my secondary 3d modelling software, my primary is max)

idle apex May 12, 2018, 4:12 PM

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Wrong mention @naive hemlock 😃

naive hemlock May 12, 2018, 4:12 PM

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my bad fuck you discord

idle apex May 12, 2018, 4:12 PM

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:))

naive hemlock May 12, 2018, 4:13 PM

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hate it when the mention goes tits up, or even better like now, when it triggers another person

desert raven May 12, 2018, 4:14 PM

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@somber grail

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👆

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👀

somber grail May 12, 2018, 4:17 PM

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Ok, I'll play about in Maya with it. But ideally porting the A2 predator mod and using my model would be even better. It has a great set of fsm's and other models too. I just hope there's a way I can get hold of charon. He's been inactive since circa 2015.

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I've already pm'd him through his forums.

desert raven May 12, 2018, 4:21 PM

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he may have lost interest in Arma. If that happens to be the case you got to make your own

somber grail May 12, 2018, 4:21 PM

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Bis forums

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If he has he could pass the torch on so to speak.

desert raven May 12, 2018, 4:22 PM

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possibly. but for that you will need to reach him

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also It was your screenshot of a predator model here earlier right?

somber grail May 12, 2018, 4:23 PM

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Yes

desert raven May 12, 2018, 4:23 PM

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and it was from interwebs?

somber grail May 12, 2018, 4:23 PM

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CG trader

desert raven May 12, 2018, 4:23 PM

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my point being just make really sure its not ripped from somewhere

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as many many models that are "free" are

somber grail May 12, 2018, 4:24 PM

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This wasn't free

desert raven May 12, 2018, 4:24 PM

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well that does not always quarantee it either. 😄 but hopefully its legit

somber grail May 12, 2018, 4:24 PM

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Fingers crossed

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I'll reach the guy again and dig abit.

desert raven May 12, 2018, 4:26 PM

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could you drop me the link to its CQTrader page?

supple sable May 13, 2018, 10:22 AM

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@Spooky#8432 i hope you didnt pay real money for this cause its a ripped model from the AVP 3 game from 2010

slow inlet May 13, 2018, 7:36 PM

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Anyone that have any tips regarding being able to move while in animation?

vapid rain May 13, 2018, 7:58 PM

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What do you mean?

slow inlet May 13, 2018, 8:17 PM

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So if I have a static animation (Holding up hand), how would I approach it if I would like the player to be able to walk with his hands up

somber aurora May 13, 2018, 8:21 PM

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with playAction , these play only the top of the body

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like reloading, etc.

slow inlet May 13, 2018, 8:22 PM

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Copy that, many thanks!

drowsy nymph May 13, 2018, 8:23 PM

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@somber aurora anim still needs to be configured as cfgGestures, with an appropriate mask, right?

somber aurora May 13, 2018, 8:24 PM

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that I don't know I'm afraid; better ask an anim guru here

sterile ice May 13, 2018, 8:29 PM

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Yes, if I don't forget it tomorrow I could post a sample Config in here for gestures.

green marlin May 13, 2018, 8:43 PM

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Yeah you need cfgGestures and mask setuped for a playaction animation

sterile ice May 14, 2018, 4:25 PM

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@slow inlet Part1: ```
///kka3_gestures
///File: config.cpp
///Author: KokaKolaA3
///Last update: 03.04.2018
///configuration file for Gestures

#include "CfgPatches.hpp"
class CfgMovesBasic
{
class DefaultDie;
class ManActions
{
kka3_arrested = "kka3_arrested";
};
class Actions
{
class Default;
class NoActions: ManActions
{
kka3_arrested[] = {"kka3_arrested","Gesture"};
};
};
};
class CfgGesturesMale
{
skeletonName = "OFP2_ManSkeleton";
class ManActions{};
class Actions
{
class NoActions
{
turnSpeed = 0;
upDegree = 0;
limitFast = 1;
useFastMove = 0;
stance = "ManStanceUndefined";
};
};

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Part2: ```
class Default
{
actions = "NoActions";
file = "";
looped = 1;
speed = 0.5;
static = 0;
relSpeedMin = 1;
relSpeedMax = 1;
soundEnabled = 0;
soundOverride = "";
soundEdge[] = {0.5,1};
terminal = 0;
ragdoll = 0;
equivalentTo = "";
connectAs = "";
connectFrom[] = {};
connectTo[] = {};
interpolateWith[] = {};
interpolateTo[] = {};
interpolateFrom[] = {};
mask = "empty";
interpolationSpeed = 6;
interpolationRestart = 0;
preload = 0;
disableWeapons = 1;
enableOptics = 0;
showWeaponAim = 0;
enableMissile = 1;
enableBinocular = 1;
showItemInHand = 0;
showItemInRightHand = 0;
showHandGun = 0;
canPullTrigger = 1;
Walkcycles = 1;
headBobMode = 0;
headBobStrength = 0;
leftHandIKBeg = 1;
leftHandIKEnd = 1;
rightHandIKBeg = 1;
rightHandIKEnd = 1;
leftHandIKCurve[] = {1};
rightHandIKCurve[] = {1};
forceAim = 0;
};

class States
{
    class kka3_arrested: Default
    {
        file = "\kka3_gestures\anim\kka3\kka3_pose_surrender_arrest_loop.rtm";
        minPlayTime= 2;
        looped = 1;
        speed = 0.00001;
        mask = "kka3_UpperBody";
        disableWeapons = 1;
        disableWeaponsLong = 1;
        weaponLowered = 0;
        showWeaponAim = 0;
        showHandGun = 0;
        canPullTrigger = 0;
        canReload = 0;
        terminal = 0;
        limitGunMovement = 0;
        preload = 1;
        headBobMode = 1;
        headBobStrength = 0.001;
        interpolateTo[] = {};
    };
};

slow inlet May 14, 2018, 4:28 PM

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This cannot come in a better time! Been trying to figure out the config file for a while now! Hats off to you, many thanks!

sterile ice May 14, 2018, 4:28 PM

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Part3: ```
class BlendAnims
{
kka3_UpperBody[] = {"Weapon",0,"Pelvis",0,"Spine",0,"Spine1",0,"Spine2",0,"Spine3",0,"Camera",0,"launcher",0,"neck",1,"neck1",1,"head",0,"LeftShoulder",1,"LeftArm",1,"LeftArmRoll",1,"LeftForeArm",1,"LeftForeArmRoll",1,"LeftHand",1,"RightShoulder",1,"RightArm",1,"RightArmRoll",1,"RightForeArm",1,"RightForeArmRoll",1,"RightHand",1,"LeftUpLeg",0,"LeftUpLegRoll",0,"LeftLeg",0,"LeftLegRoll",0,"LeftFoot",0,"LeftToeBase",0,"RightUpLeg",0,"RightUpLegRoll",0,"RightLeg",0,"RightLegRoll",0,"RightFoot",0,"RightToeBase",0,"LeftHandIndex1",1,"LeftHandIndex2",1,"LeftHandIndex3",1,"LeftHandMiddle1",1,"LeftHandMiddle2",1,"LeftHandMiddle3",1,"LeftHandPinky1",1,"LeftHandPinky2",1,"LeftHandPinky3",1,"LeftHandRing",1,"LeftHandRing1",1,"LeftHandRing2",1,"LeftHandRing3",1,"LeftHandThumb",1,"LeftHandThumb1",1,"LeftHandThumb2",1,"LeftHandThumb3",1,"RightHandIndex1",1,"RightHandIndex2",1,"RightHandIndex3",1,"RightHandMiddle1",1,"RightHandMiddle2",1,"RightHandMiddle3",1,"RightHandPinky1",1,"RightHandPinky2",1,"RightHandPinky3",1,"RightHandRing",1,"RightHandRing1",1,"RightHandRing2",1,"RightHandRing3",1,"RightHandThumb",1,"RightHandThumb1",1,"RightHandThumb2",1,"RightHandThumb3",1};
};
class Interpolations{};
transitionsInterpolated[] = {};
transitionsSimple[] = {};
transitionsDisabled[] = {};
};

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no problem 😃

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this might be easier: https://hastebin.com/xatusalota.cs

green marlin May 14, 2018, 4:33 PM

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What's your way to stop the animation after a playAction, because animation is looped @sterile ice ?

somber aurora May 14, 2018, 4:35 PM

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switchAction "", but it's ugly 👀

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or switchMove maybe

sterile ice May 14, 2018, 4:48 PM

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@green marlin I use playActionNow "GestureNod"

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it plays a new temporary gesture

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or make ur own empty gesture without any masks assigned and play it for a sec

sterile ice May 14, 2018, 5:21 PM

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In GestureNod he moves the head slightly, but it's hard to notice, so I decided to take this one for now

slow inlet May 14, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Finally Im getting somewhere, again many thanks Kola!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhf2fNIs3OM&feature=youtu.be

sterile ice May 14, 2018, 5:53 PM

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Looking good 😃

desert raven May 14, 2018, 6:00 PM

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needs jazzhands version for when you want to fake surrendering and signal your team to take out the enemy

torpid star May 14, 2018, 6:46 PM

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i'ma steal that joke and make it a feature

somber grail May 14, 2018, 6:48 PM

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Beginning to think I'll stick to static modelling.

sterile ice May 14, 2018, 7:01 PM

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@somber grail it's almost the same. Not much more difficult than static anims

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Of course depending on the Animation, but jazzhands would be relatively easy, maybe 20 minutes of work

somber grail May 14, 2018, 7:06 PM

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I meant buildings.

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My limit on anims ATM is door rotations and aircraft gears

sterile ice May 14, 2018, 7:11 PM

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ohh, yea. I personally think model.cfg - animating is more confusing ^^

zenith token May 14, 2018, 7:19 PM

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not really... you just have to get used to stuff going in the wrong direction because arma arbitrarily decided to do so

sterile ice May 14, 2018, 7:19 PM

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It's always a matter of getting used to it

somber grail May 14, 2018, 7:20 PM

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I'm just blinding to any work flow ATM, I can't make head nor tail of where to start and I can't find any tutorials like what there is on terrain builder or retexuring etc. I had a go at just texturing a blank unit using the basic body but still I couldn't get the thing pbo d because of some rvmat error. Asking for ca\a3 blah blah blah on the character.p3d.

sterile ice May 14, 2018, 7:21 PM

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That's what you can use this discord and the bi forums for 😉

somber grail May 14, 2018, 7:24 PM

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Yeah but I tend to like going for a tut because it's a more or less instant resolve to any issue you had before instead of waiting for an hour or so for a reply. No offence. I tend to go on my path then just pop by with an issue if I come across one. I don't want to use it to go from beginner start level through to completed animation. That then becomes a chore and I will end up annoying people asking this and that, getting impatient etc.

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If there is a tut for starters on where to begin then show me, but afaik there isn't one.

sterile ice May 14, 2018, 7:26 PM

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I know what you mean, there's not alot documentation about anims. I'm confident someone would be willing to do one. Lemme ask someone real quick^^

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I'd do it as well, but I use a completly different 3d software than most a3 devs

somber grail May 14, 2018, 7:26 PM

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You don't use O2?

sterile ice May 14, 2018, 7:27 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spdvvwSkT6w

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5PRt4ABLjI

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O2 for animating?
hell no

desert raven May 14, 2018, 7:33 PM

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/ArmA:_How_to_animate_a_model

ArmA: How to animate a model

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Model_Config

Model Config

somber grail May 14, 2018, 7:34 PM

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Place I really need to start is getting a custom unit made. I'm not going with the previous two I got from CG trader. I'm gunna use them as reference. Although I'm tempted to use the armour and adjust some bits.

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I'll bookmark those links. Thanks guys. But I think my main problem is knowing where to start and what with. It's quite daunting tbh.

desert raven May 14, 2018, 7:36 PM

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for character animations you need to first consult generic animation tutorials for your chosen 3D program

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to get the basics of skeletal character animation

grizzled nymph May 14, 2018, 7:37 PM

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I guess I can make a step by step tutorial if needed

somber grail May 14, 2018, 7:37 PM

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If I could port the A2 mod for predator that would cut down a massive amount of time and effort.

sterile ice May 14, 2018, 7:37 PM

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Model config animating is actually quite well documented

somber grail May 14, 2018, 7:37 PM

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I have dealt with those cfgs before they aren't new to me.

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@grizzled nymphthat'd be great if you could.

grizzled nymph May 14, 2018, 7:39 PM

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What would be a suggested format?

somber grail May 14, 2018, 7:40 PM

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I've seen the quick rig function in Maya to be quite handy for the starting the character off. It skin wraps and I think it weights too. But the named selection s are not what is in an arma unit.

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I'm a visual learner, put it that way.

somber grail May 15, 2018, 7:05 AM

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@grizzled nymph pm'd you on the tutorial.

slow inlet May 15, 2018, 4:41 PM

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Anyone know the camera works with ArmaRig, is it set in blender or in config? (The Camera in game)

desert raven May 15, 2018, 4:43 PM

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1st person or 3rd?

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I think @ruby hill mentioned the configs affect the camera and the skeleton may not have had anything to do with it

slow inlet May 15, 2018, 4:45 PM

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3rd

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Ah I see

desert raven May 15, 2018, 4:46 PM

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but I could be remembering this wrong now

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Armarig does not have camera bone though

slow inlet May 15, 2018, 4:47 PM

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Copy that, cheers

fast canopy May 15, 2018, 5:05 PM

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I have a quick question: Is there any possibility to make a face animation(mimic)? Is there any available skeleton?

sterile ice May 15, 2018, 5:09 PM

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@fast canopy not as far as I know. It might even by done thorugh scripting, not actual animation files.
Might be a good idea to look through the config viewer and find the mimics there.

fast canopy May 15, 2018, 5:10 PM

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Yeah, I found config that may handle mimics. Around CfgHeads.

sterile ice May 15, 2018, 5:11 PM

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Is there a pathto an rtm file or similar?

fast canopy May 15, 2018, 5:12 PM

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class CfgHeads
{
    class Default_A3
    {
        class Grimaces
        {
            class DangerFace: RTM_Face
            {
                anims[] = {"A3\Characters_F\Heads\Anim\male\still1_02.rtm",3.0,[...]};
                animsAI[] = {"A3\Characters_F\Heads\Anim\male\1a_frown_170_l.rtm",5,[...]};
            };
        };
    };
};

Like this.

sterile ice May 15, 2018, 5:12 PM

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yea, seems like there actually are skeletons for mimics. Sounds interesting...

fast canopy May 15, 2018, 5:13 PM

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I don't know about animations so much but if we can grin or scream some soldiers, this would be a nice artwork...

sterile ice May 15, 2018, 5:13 PM

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/setMimic

fast canopy May 15, 2018, 5:15 PM

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{
    [...]
};
class Dead
{
    [...]
};
class Unconscious
{
    [...]
};
class Danger
{
    [...]
};
class Hurt
{
    [...]
};
class Aware
{
    [...]
};
class Safe
{
    [...]
};
class Combat
{
    [...]
};```
There is also configs like this in CfgHeads, this must handling the mimics.

desert raven May 15, 2018, 5:15 PM

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@fast canopy did you check the link above?

fast canopy May 15, 2018, 5:15 PM

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Yeah

desert raven May 15, 2018, 5:16 PM

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have you tried those?

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if they fill your need

fast canopy May 15, 2018, 5:16 PM

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Of course, and these are not suitable for “artworks”

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I need overdramatic faces

sterile ice May 15, 2018, 5:18 PM

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Can you "export" an rtm file?

fast canopy May 15, 2018, 5:18 PM

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I can find those animations, but looks they are all binarized

sterile ice May 15, 2018, 5:19 PM

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lemme check if I can debinarize rtms with mikero premium tools

fast canopy May 15, 2018, 5:19 PM

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In characters_f.pbo FYI

sterile ice May 15, 2018, 5:21 PM

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Seems like I can, lemme try it

fast canopy May 15, 2018, 5:21 PM

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Thank you!

sterile ice May 15, 2018, 5:26 PM

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I debinarised it, O2 shows me keyframes, but there are no bones in the viewport

fast canopy May 15, 2018, 5:27 PM

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Ah, okay...

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Thank you anyways.

sterile ice May 15, 2018, 5:37 PM

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For anyone else that might be interested in helping, I was able to see the animation when I imported the rtm into a head p3d, the head (-parts) actually move, but I'm not sure how the get the bones to make an animation myself

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This is what it looks like so far: https://youtu.be/csGNK8ezrn0

fast canopy May 15, 2018, 5:43 PM

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Looks this is what I can't handle at all, I hope some MODmakers can do some with this...

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:07 PM

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@sterile ice which head is that you used to test it on?

sterile ice May 15, 2018, 6:07 PM

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m_miller.p3d

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:08 PM

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isnt that binarized?

sterile ice May 15, 2018, 6:08 PM

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yep

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I used odolconverter

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:09 PM

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the sample man contains a lod that has the facial bone positions

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📎 unknown.png

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a facial rig could be recreated from this

sterile ice May 15, 2018, 6:10 PM

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where's the sample man located at?

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:11 PM

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arma samples\templateRTM

sterile ice May 15, 2018, 6:11 PM

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ahh yea

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Thank you, I'll check it out

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:13 PM

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Let me check if I can find my facial rig recreation

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I may have used this as base back then too

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📎 unknown.png

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this is scaled female version but this is what I think it would look like pretty much

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📎 unknown.png

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yup this is what I used to make it

sterile ice May 15, 2018, 6:18 PM

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Is it that simple? Can you move the boxes or whatever these things are and it works?

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:20 PM

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no

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you would have tho make the whole face armature as in the above pic

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but I gathered that the floaty bits in the man skeleton have at some program been bones and thus I made a new armature that follows them

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they do have named selections from the sample character so it was more like connect the dots kind deal

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It seems though that Ive lost the original I made and have only the female scaled one left

sterile ice May 15, 2018, 6:24 PM

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Alright, I'm gonna have a closer look at this tomorrow, maybe I'll be able to puzzle together a working rig

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:24 PM

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and moving them around did work on the rigged face mesh too

fluid lodge May 15, 2018, 6:26 PM

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Is it possible to make static animations? I for example use armarig from macser.

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:28 PM

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yes

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it is possible

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@sterile ice

📎 unknown.png

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actually I did not scale the head rig, just moved down it to fit the shorter character

fluid lodge May 15, 2018, 6:30 PM

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good job!

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:32 PM

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@fluid lodge I recall FHQ toolbox page on BIforums has a static animation guide video

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and if youre using Macsers rig and dont yet have FHQ arma toolbox, then get it asap

fluid lodge May 15, 2018, 6:33 PM

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I refer to the animations of the face.

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:33 PM

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and I to your question above. 😄

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but theres not actual animation on there

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just the rig

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which I should probably test if it works xD

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maybe at some point xD

fluid lodge May 15, 2018, 6:35 PM

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ok thanks mate.

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:39 PM

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hmm I may need to add the rest of the facial bones in this too.

fluid lodge May 15, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Sorry my English is not good and I usually interpret things wrong in the translator. But, I have armatoolbox from Alwarren install on blender, but I can not find the way to see the facial gestures.

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:43 PM

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ah you meant facial static animations?

fluid lodge May 15, 2018, 6:44 PM

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yes

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:44 PM

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then no

fluid lodge May 15, 2018, 6:44 PM

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sadly!

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:44 PM

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that would need extra setup like what we have been discussing above

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📎 unknown.png

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also I might really need to set up the rest of the bones too..

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the parts that do move it looks like it might be working

fluid lodge May 15, 2018, 6:45 PM

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cool!

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:45 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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📎 unknown.png

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got some lip action going on there

fluid lodge May 15, 2018, 6:46 PM

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It would be interesting to add expressions to static animations that we make several users

torpid star May 15, 2018, 6:47 PM

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wtf. that looks interesting

fluid lodge May 15, 2018, 6:47 PM

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You know, for those of us who make screenshots.

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:47 PM

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you could perhaps use the default ones already

torpid star May 15, 2018, 6:47 PM

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do the bones follow the hierachy from the model.cfg?

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:47 PM

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yes

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and this is imported A3 face animation

torpid star May 15, 2018, 6:48 PM

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ah ok

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:48 PM

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just lacking all the necessary bones xD

torpid star May 15, 2018, 6:48 PM

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face imploded

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:48 PM

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you can see all those floaty bits that would need a bone of their own

zenith token May 15, 2018, 6:48 PM

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hey, if somebody makes some distorted face poses i could use them ... the warp accepts anyone

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:48 PM

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will need a face rig first 😄

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the face kinda folds into itself atm as only few of the mesh controlling bones move

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and rest have no input

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xD

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📎 unknown.png

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will need at least these I believe

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though could be theres more that I just dont have a reference point for

fluid lodge May 15, 2018, 6:52 PM

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It seems complicated!

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:54 PM

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well it is actually fairly simple process

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but dont know any other way to do it but manually

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so its rather tedious task

fluid lodge May 15, 2018, 6:55 PM

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i understand

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:56 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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would need to draw a bone for each of these blobs

fluid lodge May 15, 2018, 6:56 PM

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this is really nice

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If I knew how to use blender well ... Only knowledge by guide.

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:58 PM

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One major issue with this Arma skeleton would be that its meant for MoCap

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so adjusting the face manually will be horrible

fluid lodge May 15, 2018, 6:59 PM

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I have patience 😅

desert raven May 15, 2018, 6:59 PM

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well I'll drop news when I get this done xD

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like I didnt have enough stuff to do already

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so its possible @sterile ice will beat me to it

fluid lodge May 15, 2018, 7:01 PM

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I imagine. Take it easy, it's something we need those who do static animations and quality screenshots

desert raven May 15, 2018, 7:14 PM

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actually I do have all the bones that are listed on model.cfg already in here

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hummhumm got to figure out why doesnt everything move right

frozen fable May 15, 2018, 7:15 PM

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Hey,
i just started with animations and got my first static pose to work but i am looking to create a actual animation now.
I ran into this issue and cant figure it out:
I have 8 frames which display the correct animation in blender, when i am ingame in i can only use it with playaction and it only uses the first frame.

https://pastebin.com/9H3T00A8 = config i am using

https://gyazo.com/45c69f13441c5878eac76967c662184f = blender config

desert raven May 15, 2018, 7:20 PM

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mm you got everything in double in the config

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is that just a paste error?

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also what are you packing your rtm with

sterile ice May 15, 2018, 7:22 PM

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@frozen fable Why is the config in there 2 times?

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Just pasted it 2 times by accident or is that your actual config?

frozen fable May 15, 2018, 7:23 PM

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That is a paste error

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sorry

sterile ice May 15, 2018, 7:23 PM

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okay

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I never had this issue, Try exporting from blender as bvh. Import it into Object builder and export the rtm from there

frozen fable May 15, 2018, 7:24 PM

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Ok ill try it now

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packing the rtm with (http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=20519)

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None of the import options in object builder allow me to import the bvh?

sterile ice May 15, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Biovision BVH (filmBox)

frozen fable May 15, 2018, 7:27 PM

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https://gyazo.com/35abff0448f8a928200b5cf944daf39f

sterile ice May 15, 2018, 7:28 PM

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would you mind sending me your .blend file? I would export the rtm for you and you can test it

frozen fable May 15, 2018, 7:28 PM

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Sure give me a second

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Send it to your pm's

desert raven May 15, 2018, 7:36 PM

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@frozen fable what do you pack the rtm with? addon builder or pboProject

frozen fable May 15, 2018, 7:38 PM

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Uhm, neither. I make the rtm with (http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=20519), put it together with the correct config and just pbomanager it up and run it

desert raven May 15, 2018, 7:49 PM

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that could cause problem too

fluid lodge May 15, 2018, 7:49 PM

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i use addon builder

desert raven May 15, 2018, 7:50 PM

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that is known to not work well with rtms

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so I would advice always packing with pboProject

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as it will make you fix most of common mistakes you can make

frozen fable May 15, 2018, 7:56 PM

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I will try to do that and post results

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Did you misspell "not" with "now" @desert raven ? Or does addon builder work well?

desert raven May 15, 2018, 8:02 PM

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not**

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fixed

frozen fable May 15, 2018, 8:02 PM

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Ok i'll try pboproject then

frozen fable May 15, 2018, 8:40 PM

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I am really lost with pboproject..
It keeps on giving me this error: ```
Warning: rapWarning: missing file(s)*****
Warning: _MODS\addons\anim\config.cpp Line 108: \anim\anim.rtm
rapify x64UnicodeVersion 1.76, Dll 6.44 "config.cpp"
rapWarning: missing file(s)*****


This is the file its talking about

class States
{
    class kka3_arrested: Default
    {
        file = "\anim\anim.rtm"; //line 108
        minPlayTime= 2;
        looped = 1;
        speed = 0.00001;
        mask = "kka3_UpperBody";
        disableWeapons = 1;
        disableWeaponsLong = 1;
        weaponLowered = 0;
        showWeaponAim = 0;
        showHandGun = 0;
        canPullTrigger = 0;
        canReload = 0;
        terminal = 0;
        limitGunMovement = 0;
        preload = 1;
        headBobMode = 0;
        headBobStrength = 0.001;
        interpolateTo[] = {};
    };
};


And this is the file structure:
https://gyazo.com/901350c5402027045da8b2c121a6e784 (Addons only has 1 file which i am in in the screenshot and _mods only has Addons in it.)
My pboproject settings:
https://gyazo.com/218dad7d4f45eedad45c14cbd1a7b8f1

drowsy nymph May 15, 2018, 8:43 PM

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you should be using a P:\ drive setup

frozen fable May 15, 2018, 8:43 PM

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I am

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You can see that in the 2nd screenshot

drowsy nymph May 15, 2018, 8:45 PM

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do you have a pboprefix file then?

frozen fable May 15, 2018, 8:45 PM

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No

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Just made one, same error

drowsy nymph May 15, 2018, 8:51 PM

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nvm, my mistake you need to do the full path _MODS\addons\anim\anim.rtm if that's what your workspace is

frozen fable May 15, 2018, 8:51 PM

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In the config file you mean?

drowsy nymph May 15, 2018, 8:51 PM

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I was forgetting which way around that worked

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yes

frozen fable May 15, 2018, 8:56 PM

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Thanks!

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Came further but got a new error now. Found a article on it though so i can help myself with this (https://github.com/acemod/ACE3/issues/5404)

desert raven May 15, 2018, 9:27 PM

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@frozen fable that does not look right at all

frozen fable May 15, 2018, 9:28 PM

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Probarly not, this is my first time doing this. Im all ears.

desert raven May 15, 2018, 9:28 PM

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well generally you would build your folder structure around your project and tag_

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that probably works but it may be harder to help you with it.

desert raven May 15, 2018, 10:10 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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this is what you want @zenith token right?

zenith token May 15, 2018, 10:11 PM

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haha, yeah stuff like that would be fun

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though not quite as extreme to avoid overly ugly texture stretching

desert raven May 15, 2018, 10:12 PM

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😄

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yeah the previous issue actually was just classic right - left mixup with some of the bones

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ArmaMan does not approve!!!!

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so the rig seems to work pretty well

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There may be some issues with the bone roll values

desert raven May 15, 2018, 10:44 PM

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📎 unknown.png

fluid lodge May 15, 2018, 10:45 PM

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Wow!!! I love it!

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😂 the first image

zenith token May 15, 2018, 10:46 PM

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Just add captain diomedes and boreale monolog and its perfect

desert raven May 15, 2018, 10:46 PM

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these are all picks from arma facial animations

fluid lodge May 15, 2018, 10:51 PM

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Is it possible to add the head to the Macser rig?

desert raven May 15, 2018, 10:52 PM

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perhaps

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I'll have to test it a bit more though before I can proceed to any direction with it

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Im thingking some bones may not be rotating in right direction

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It might be easier to use just separately

fluid lodge May 15, 2018, 11:04 PM

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Idk

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would have to try

iron jewel May 16, 2018, 2:25 AM

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I can't wait to see this in a mod @desert raven ! It looks promising!

fast canopy May 16, 2018, 3:26 AM

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I just tried and I could modify Mimics and even add a new one.

desert raven May 16, 2018, 3:26 AM

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what did you use to edit them?

fast canopy May 16, 2018, 3:26 AM

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Some Configs.

desert raven May 16, 2018, 3:26 AM

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ah so you did not edit the animations

fast canopy May 16, 2018, 3:27 AM

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Yes, just a test of possibility

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1j2HSz3OglhjcNxh-78HITgcSns4Khgg-/view?usp=sharing
Quick test MOD, this makes all mimics “dead”

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Wait a sec, that was a quick judgement

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Guess that was not a “new” mimic

desert raven May 16, 2018, 4:17 AM

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https://youtu.be/RP8rTnQ3_eE

YouTube

HorribleGoat

HORGO Arma Female Mimics test 01

Testing out recreated Arma head rig fitted on a custom female head.

▶ Play video

fluid lodge May 16, 2018, 4:17 AM

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Cool man!

desert raven May 16, 2018, 4:32 AM

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It will need a lot of tweaking still. But its a promising start.

fluid lodge May 16, 2018, 4:33 AM

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🙏

sterile ice May 16, 2018, 4:52 AM

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@desert raven That looks awesome. I guess I don't need to make my hands dirty and just wait for you to get it done :)

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Maybe I can at least help with setting up a sample Config 🙃

somber grail May 16, 2018, 10:39 AM

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Can someone clarify something. I know people say it is possible to set things up in a 3 party software, like maya or 3ds max. It is possible then to:

1: set up the named selections in maya as they are in O2 for the various bones etc?
2: if I made an animation sequence in maya using its own animation process, can I import that animation sequence into O2 without having to do any additional work in O2. With exception to the various lods.

zenith token May 16, 2018, 11:13 AM

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No. Unless you or someone else writes specific tools/plugins for it.

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And the reason no tool exists is propably because in the time you spent to create such custom script you can setup tons of models. Because it's not particularly time consuming once you got the hang of it.

desert raven May 16, 2018, 11:27 AM

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character animations being exception as they are usually produced in external program using a animation rig (armature/skeleton etc)

naive hemlock May 16, 2018, 12:01 PM

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@somber grail

yes, as long as the skeleton / bone setup is named the same as A3 skeleton - skin weighting will keep the named selections
sort of, it needs to be run through the FBX2RTM thing first (so basically you can have that anim done in any software).

desert raven May 16, 2018, 12:03 PM

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but vehicle animations behave very different and pretty much have to be done setting up model.cfg manually

somber grail May 16, 2018, 12:03 PM

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I was thinking of using the quick rig tool in maya, then naming everything in relation to the a3 character models.

desert raven May 16, 2018, 12:06 PM

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are you thinking of making a different sized character than the default ArmaMan?

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as that is where the real fun starts

somber grail May 16, 2018, 12:07 PM

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at first I was but there's no harm in keeping it default size first.

desert raven May 16, 2018, 12:07 PM

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ah yeah you are the Predator guy right 😄

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arma 3 samples already have a skeleton you should be able to use

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hmm or did they

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or actually did the .fbx just contain the character example

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that may have been the case

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well in the templateRTM folder you got a male.p3d

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edit lod 1.00

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contains this

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which pretty much represents the Arma man skeleton

somber grail May 16, 2018, 12:14 PM

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why is the fiugre in the centre of the grid?

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I mean on all axis.

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I've put a test unit in game the other day and it appears in the ground

desert raven May 16, 2018, 12:15 PM

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that would be the default character model position

somber grail May 16, 2018, 12:15 PM

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yes, but why in game do they end up in the ground?

drowsy nymph May 16, 2018, 12:15 PM

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animations move them above the ground plane

desert raven May 16, 2018, 12:15 PM

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👆

somber grail May 16, 2018, 12:15 PM

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oh ok, thanks for that

ruby hill May 16, 2018, 12:17 PM

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Its done so that the model center is always between the feet at ground level. Makes surface collision tracking easier.

desert raven May 16, 2018, 1:18 PM

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Does anyone here got info on Armas head rig specifics?

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Some bones seem to be on opposite sides from what you might expect them to be

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shameless poke at our inside man @deft fern

sterile ice May 16, 2018, 1:19 PM

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@desert raven I asked Macser for help. Waiting for him

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Since he did the Blender Rig commonly used

desert raven May 16, 2018, 1:23 PM

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true he could have insight into it too

torpid star May 16, 2018, 3:01 PM

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i didn't read all the messages so excuse, if i'm talking nonsense.

does the pivot model for the arma skeleton include the pivots for the face bones? or did you jsut guess the pivot positions?

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or maybe they all pivot around the main head bone?

potent gull May 16, 2018, 3:49 PM

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Hello, tell me please, what should be done to prevent the weapon from flying during animation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3JorIGUgbc

desert raven May 16, 2018, 3:57 PM

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@torpid star I pieced it together from what I believe to be bone parts in the the samples\templateRTM\male.p3d editlod 1.000

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in the pic above they are those blue blobs

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and it seems to work

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@potent gull in macsers rig the weapon bone is constrained to follow the right hand if I remember right

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so you need to disable that constraint in your animation and then position the weapon bone where you want it

desert raven May 16, 2018, 4:45 PM

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makes me wonder if the sample bust is weighted right

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same frame in Blender though

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dunno really what can be trusted xD

drowsy nymph May 16, 2018, 4:51 PM

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I wouldn't trust a face like that

potent gull May 16, 2018, 5:01 PM

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@desert raven can tell me where to do it?

fluid lodge May 16, 2018, 5:03 PM

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😍

desert raven May 16, 2018, 5:08 PM

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@potent gull sorry dont have really time for that kind of tutoring.

zenith token May 16, 2018, 5:09 PM

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wasnt there something with face using 4x the movement at weight 1? iirc @ruby hill mentioned sth like this not long ago

sleek island May 16, 2018, 5:10 PM

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lol , its like gmod face maker

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and i dont think the sample bust is weighted at all

drowsy nymph May 16, 2018, 5:12 PM

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Is the head that's part of the .fbx sample man?

zenith token May 16, 2018, 5:12 PM

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extra in sample animation folder iirc

desert raven May 16, 2018, 5:15 PM

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samples\templateRTM\bust.p3d

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I have succesfully made a pretty tight headfitting cowl with this as a base though

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so I guess it should work

desert raven May 16, 2018, 6:49 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfkzbWannmQ&feature=youtu.be

YouTube

HorribleGoat

HORGO Arma Female Mimics test 02

Bit more refined weighting and adjustments into the face rig

▶ Play video

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did some refinement on the facial rig although a lot of it is just guesswork on what bone goes where and points to what direction

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could work though so...

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

sterile ice May 16, 2018, 7:05 PM

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Does it work ingame?

desert raven May 16, 2018, 7:08 PM

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not there yet

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but maybe

fluid lodge May 16, 2018, 7:11 PM

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I want this for my static animations

desert raven May 16, 2018, 7:26 PM

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she could be smiling right?

frigid nimbus May 16, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Or smirking. Squinting her eyes real tight

desert raven May 16, 2018, 7:27 PM

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this is direct conversion from one A3 man "smile"

frigid nimbus May 16, 2018, 7:28 PM

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Her cheeks look giant lol. How large are the two faces in comparison (just curious)

desert raven May 16, 2018, 7:30 PM

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she is a bit cheecky one isnt she

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this also shows the height difference of the 2 characers

somber aurora May 16, 2018, 8:17 PM

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It really makes me think of a Dark Souls character editor... Must be the shiny skin ^^

desert raven May 16, 2018, 8:19 PM

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no skin. just plastic here.

tawny mango May 16, 2018, 11:28 PM

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haven't you read the ingame papers? there were claims that some people were being replaced by wax replicas

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does anybody have a semi-useful arma/object builder to maya export guide

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I want to start learning how to do gestures

torpid star May 17, 2018, 1:44 AM

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use macser's blender rig. it's good stuff

fluid lodge May 17, 2018, 10:29 PM

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have been able to contact Macser?

sterile ice May 18, 2018, 4:58 AM

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Me? @nikoaton#8557 Ive contacted him about 2 days ago, he said he's gonna work on a rig for Grimasse, but it will take a short while

fluid lodge May 18, 2018, 5:00 AM

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ohh thanks @sterile ice . Greetings!

somber grail May 18, 2018, 9:34 AM

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Hi guys, I've been playing about with the Predator in maya. Done a bit of rigging some tests with animation and what not. What I am finding though is once the model is skinned and weighted using the quick rig, It warps the armour and various other parts of the body quite a bit.

I kind a have a thought on this.

Should I be binding the skin without the armour and adding the weight just on the body itself?

supple sable May 18, 2018, 10:57 AM

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Well in the end you will need to add the weight to the armor anyway if you want to add it as separate clothe

zenith token May 18, 2018, 10:58 AM

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realistically armor cant deform. Practically... it's not possible to do this without super complex rig and skeleton. The only game i know tries to somewhat remidy this is star citizen. All other games just deform the armor like it's cloth

somber grail May 18, 2018, 11:01 AM

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i think I worked out what happened with the quick rig, it seems to place itself offset from the centre all the time and I was moving the limbs about. Then I noticed the elbow joint on the right was place higher up the arm so the wrist guard wasn't affected. As opposed to the right arm, the elbow joint is underneath the blades and wrist guard.

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Just need to figure out how to adjust this control rig and centre it, it seems locked and unmovable atm.

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I shouldn't need to include the armour really should I? I only say this because I am thinking I can proxy the armour in O2 and it can be selectable in the inventory then.