well that's why the rabbit appeared invisible to all but one person, but why it was able to open and close the door repeatedly remains a mystery
#dev_rc_branch
scenic gyro
north compass
Also Mohawk is called EH302 in new faction
scenic gyro
cue lots of joking about a haunted house
north compass
And it didn't happend once, I saw something like that myself
dense epoch
http://prntscr.com/g6xi7d Pic of some new vehs
Some the vans have openable doors too
north compass
without scripts?
dense epoch
I just placed them, scrolled, door open
north compass
Nice
thick oyster
that van is nice but thats it heh
scenic gyro
@dense epoch noticed that from the promotional screenshots, that's nice, some of the vanilla vehicles had animations for openable doors but for some reason they weren't actually openable without scripting
dense epoch
scenic gyro
I'm intrigued by the mini-bus version of the van, does anyone remember the bus from OfP?
complete with bus stops on Nogova
north compass
Yes, there was a bust in Arma 2 too
thick oyster
that camo texture doesnt look quite sharp , they used MS paint to do that?
dense epoch
http://prntscr.com/g6xk0r another of the van
scenic gyro
it was entirely whimsical, played no part in the campaign etc However I remember playing about with having the bus drive around the island, with civilians waiting at bus stops and getting on/off randomly when it stopped
north compass
there was also new drone loaded inside it in some DEV pic
dense epoch
two quads http://prntscr.com/g6xlzp
thick oyster
thats the vehicle in vehicle right?
dense epoch
yep
scenic gyro
mama mia
dense epoch
Underside of the van http://prntscr.com/g6xmf5
scenic gyro
well the underside is important given the propensity of the AI to roll vehicles
thick oyster
interesting
thick oyster
they could at least bumped the underside
scenic gyro
hmm, maybe they'll go back and add sirens to the existing police/gendemerie vehicles
thick oyster
its quite flat but in arma you will see that often haha
dense epoch
I'm really liking this DLC now 😂
scenic gyro
what about the ambulance, can you get in the back and be lying on the stretcher?
like in the medical trucks?
dense epoch
@scenic gyro yep sadlyy doors dont open
scenic gyro
ok, so there's some attention to detail going on (lying in ambulance)
even if opportunities to use that in any of my missions is going to be limited
@dense epoch Well that's a crying shame, and misleading given the promotional screenshots
north compass
you can open them with scripts, only Firing from vehicle slots can open doors though
dense epoch
^
scenic gyro
yeah, animation source etc, but who wants to be bothered adding scripts all the time for something so trivial?
dense epoch
People in Life servers probably would or a new framework or whatever it is they use
scenic gyro
It wouldn't have taken any effort for BI to make them openable for everyone
the door animations for RHS are one of those great little touches that just help the overall feel of things.
north compass
btw use horn in ambulance van 😄
scenic gyro
Mittens beat you to that about 10 minutes ago 😃
severe nimbus
It feels this DLC is going nice 😃 the Mine launcher is cool
did anyone figure out what the new function on the drones is? there is a new symbol on the indicator lights
dense epoch
What's the name of it?
severe nimbus
The indicator light? i don't know there is the engine the autohover the light and another symbol now
dense epoch
New symbol is to load stuff I think
dense epoch
To load stuff I think ye
dense epoch
I'll see, and it's scroll wheel I think too
scenic gyro
I just saw "indicator light" and for a moment was thinking they'd added working turn indicators to the new van, then read the context and ...
dense epoch
😂
@severe nimbus It's a UAV box I think yyou pick up, I found it under items and filtered by mods and found it near the bottom
The new vans do not like being on the ground once blown up http://prntscr.com/g6xuoo
north compass
Anyone figured out leaflets?
thick oyster
holy crap , there are hover cars now
dense epoch
😂
scenic gyro
hmm, need the option to paradrop cargo from air vehicles without Zeus
north compass
it was done in one showcase though
severe nimbus
dunno how you did this mittens but they are not working for me
dense epoch
@scenic gyro Yyou can airdrop from a blackfish
@severe nimbus I thought it might've been the way but didnt work for me
might not be possible yet?
dense epoch
There's drones with the box already on them but idk how to load em up
http://prntscr.com/g6y28t Open ambulance in a showcase
so def possible
scenic gyro
but it can't be dynamically opened/closed in game without scripting
dense epoch
^ sadly
light lintel
i hope the reskined mohawk gets a vehicle carrying variant
north compass
There's only standard version .
scenic gyro
wouldn't have room for anything larger than a stomper or quad?
even the LSVs are too large
north compass
I don't think so, it's just a retexture
scenic gyro
in fact, just played around in the editor and a stomper isn't even realistic, the wheels are maybe 1/4" or less away from the walls on both sides
and the antenna goes through the roof
light lintel
thing is, a lot of stuff in arma is a "vehicle"
i.e. you could put crates etc inside too
scenic gyro
pfft
light lintel
or an inflatable boat or something
scenic gyro
then say cargo carrying variant 😉
dense epoch
How do crates/drones and alike get loaded into vehicles? In the showcase it had a drone loaded inside a veh which I could unload
light lintel
@dense epoch see setVehicleCargo https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Vehicle_in_Vehicle_Transport
scenic gyro
or drag and drop in editor
dense epoch
I was hoping for the ability to do it whilst in game/combat as such
I guess the editor works but I'd probably do it for the cool factor instead, so I'd then just use the attachto function
north compass
You can, there isn't any animation though
Try Apex vtols
Vehicle transport variant to be precise
dense epoch
Ew the VTOLs
😂 I was hoping for an easy way with the new DLC trucks, maybe I'll see it someday
north compass
I haven't tested it with truck but it may work the same way
light lintel
or drag and drop in editor
oh didn't know
full sonnet
Are the Stretcher and Bodybag actually usable for something or are they just props? And is there a filled version of the bodybag?
light lintel
If the stretcher could be a crewable vehicle that would be awesome!
By crew I mean, person on the stretcher :D
scenic gyro
@light lintel Wouldn't mind if the stretcher bearer positions were also optionally crewable
so that a casualty becomes not just the loss of one person in the team, but it then also requires at least two more to transport them to the safety of a medievac heli or vehicle.
"Don't get shot" then becomes an even more important mantra 😉
light lintel
Yeah I wouldn't mind either, just not sure how it would work though
Like, having two people sync movements
If it could be done then that would be great though
scenic gyro
well I'm thinking only the first person would be the driver, the guy at the rear would just be in for the ride, it would work exactly like a tank
with legs ...
scenic gyro
random thought, does the Hi-Vis jacket reflect headlights/torches at night?
full sonnet
Most likely not
rustic plaza
even adding cargo proxies to the stretcher would unleash series of other request like "come on BI, why don't you add ability to carry stretchers, it's 5 minute thing"
full sonnet
ACE would take care of the carrying I'm sure.
full sonnet
Yeah.. ACE/TFAR/CBA should all be somewhat part of the game.. I hear that almost too often...
scenic gyro
definitely not a 5 minute thing, but it would be VERY COOL
and hey, since Orange is now done, you have an entire studio in Amsterdam with nothing to do 😛 (j/k)
ah well, guess we can stop hoping for crewable and vehicle in vehicle for stretchers 😦
thick oyster
tac ops should be better now 😄
rustic plaza
I mean, maybe there is chance to at least give some support for mods but it's definitely something for post release
scenic gyro
yeah, I don't think anyone would expect that to happen between now and release
I'd like someone to do it at least, it would add a whole new dynamic to milsim, having to secure the area and provide cover for medevac, losing time and resources because someone was stupid enough to get themselves wounded 😉
combined with a military textured version of the new field hospital ...
verbal ginkgo
Oh no, was the improved 3rd person camera for the aircraft removed? It is no longer there in the stable or the dev
light lintel
Only for helicopters I thought
scenic gyro
a lot of third person players disliked the new camera for helis, so it was reverted to the old camera for helis, new camera for planes
verbal ginkgo
FFS cant you just give us an option to enable it separately for planes and helicopters or leave it as it was before?
The old camera sucked donkey's balls and the new ones was so much more comfortable when flying, be it helicopters or planes
Any way to mod that?
I can leave with this if I can mod in the new camera for for helicopters. Please just tell me it is possible
First 3rd person CCIP and now this, why in the world can't you just add settings for this and instead force players to use gimped 3rd person camera version. If I wouldn't like those new features I would just disable it via options, but no, we can't have that, can we? Players customizing their games to give them the experience they want? That is just haram.
If not options then at least let us enable 3rd person CCIP and BETTER 3rd person camera for aircraft via mods.
scenic gyro
3rd person should be implemented in the game by having a large camera drone following you where-ever you go ...
verbal ginkgo
oh great just great, what about HUD, CCIP, height and stuff readouts from the vehicle you are using
is it that bad to have a freaking OPTION that you can choose to use or not?
and how that drone stuff would work, huh? via laggy PIP that has tiny view distance limit or something else?
Ok here's the solution for people that had troubles with landing helicopters with the new 3rd person camera: make it so when the free view button is pressed the camera behaves in the old manner, when it is released it stays in the position you set and follows the aircraft using the new behaviour. BAM you have both variants.
scenic gyro
@verbal ginkgo Well I'd imagine the drone would work exactly as things work now, with same FOV, perspective and quality (imaginary VR googles on the player). The only difference is that the player would now have a large bright orange drone flying above them cancelling out the 'see over walls while remaining hidden' capability of people using third person. Third person players get the perspective they want, but the competitive benefits of using that mode are cancelled out.
It's a very tidy solution to the problem and I look forward to the devs implementing it ASAP. 😉
verbal ginkgo
@scenic gyro I think you can script this. have a script that checks if player is in 3rd person, if he is then attach a drone to him. they you have it in a pretty dirty way
Oh, and I'm not complaining about on foot 3rd person (I can modify that with a mod). I'm talking about the new 3rd person camera for aircaft
Also remember that you have THE F*****G OPTION to turn off 3rd person for both single player and by MP server admin.
lucid crag
Does this stretcher they added in have any selection points/memory points so at the very least we can script this in?
verbal ginkgo
So I'm not complaining about that, there is an option and i can further adjust it via mod, I'm happy with that.
lucid crag
Taro, start a petition. Many will follow 😉
verbal ginkgo
OK BIS, if you insist on keeping the old 3rd person camera for aircraft at the very least fix the retarded behavior of it shifting it view if you fly backward or make a turn when looking backward. At least make that shit work properly
verbal ginkgo
So, I just checked it. The new camera is still used for the planes. This only serves to further prove my point: you actually can have both modes in the game at the same time, so you can as well have option to toggle between them.
light lintel
The new camera is still used for the planes.
we told you that long ago 😛
BTW, new uniforms incoming?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/104982724762157056/345574454900031488/AAFdesert.png
that's from the video
verbal ginkgo
"This only serves to further prove my point: you actually can have both modes in the game at the same time, so you can as well have option to toggle between them."
Also the retarded behavior of camera switching sides when you try to look backward when executing a turn is still present in both modes
lucid crag
One can retex AAF only so many times
thick oyster
AAF uniform is the most retextured even by BI
scenic gyro
There's a bunch of unused uniform textures already in the vanilla game, wish they'd make those usable without setObjectTexture so that we can vary things in missions
I'm actually not sure if that one is new, or whether it's just one of the old ones that they've finally used for something
thick oyster
that variant can be easily done with switching color tones in Photoshop
green to brown and whoala you got a desert sorta camo
lucid crag
Chocolate chip almost 🍪
lucid crag
Yep, that was intentional
You can customize them
Almost like an official notes system. You can even create AAN articles
thick oyster
that site thing was kinda clever but i think A3L will overuse that thing to death
scenic gyro
sucks for the lifers, but we'll be ok 😉
scenic gyro
or warn them of specific threats, e.g. contaminated water supply
lucid crag
Yep
lucid crag
Yeah, they do serve a real purpose
thick oyster
i am not saying that they unrealistic , just i can imagine they using it for meme or other bs
scenic gyro
in the real world they serve a lot of useful purposes, not sure how they might be used in-game though
thick oyster
leaflets were used in wars - propaganda or just surrender kind of thing
lucid crag
Ingame they might be useful for a fully player versus player scenatio
scenic gyro
@lucid crag that was me, and I'm sure that someone, somewhere is already working on it 😉
lucid crag
Hahahaha, nice one 😉 @scenic gyro
scenic gyro
hmm, that winky makes it seem like I'm talking about myself ... I'm not!
lucid crag
Oh, im sure you would never 😱
scenic gyro
I predicted it will happen, but I'm not so sad that I'm going to be the one doing it
however we'll see how long it is before admins are begging BI to provide a config option to disable the leaflet drops
thick oyster
yeah , those were used in Korea war
scenic gyro
thick oyster
you can see that in Mash Tv show too
scenic gyro
I hope they made him go back and pick those all up.
thick oyster
remember that episode when they had to defuse a bomb?
lucid crag
Yeah
thick oyster
thats the propaganda bomb
lucid crag
Lol, thats fucking amazing. I dont think i realized that when first watching
light lintel
Not aware of that AAF texture already existing
severe nimbus
the new mini idap capaign is awesome!
The level of detail they put in that is great
wintry ingot
The demining drone's charges are pretty powerful.
scenic gyro
lethal?
north compass
They're realistic in offensive use actually, there are videos of ISIS using drones to drop bombs on the internet.
dense epoch
Yes but the drones are intended as "Demining" drones, I don't believe BI intended to use them to blow civilians and military to pieces
severe nimbus
Seriously? have you seen videos of Mining operations or heavy deconstruction? they use High explosives all the time. Why would Civilians not have explosives?
north compass
Still Arma is a game in which you are only limited by your imagination. Back to those bombs, I'm pretty sure that smaller charges won't be as effective in causing mines to explode.
Or you would have to be very, very precise
severe nimbus
They are supposed to blow up burried mines by concussive force alone they have to be powerfull
It would be unrealistic if you would waste one explosive on one mine
they need to take out multiple ones
this is literally the logical way of designing a demining drone
anything else would not be time and therefore cost efficient
especially since they seem to be affected by wind making the explosion smaller would make it impossible to hit anything
you already have to fly low as is for the mine detector to work
an those things never land where you want them to
now immagine you having to actually hit them
the mines that is
Sudden burst of clarity: for people like mittens they need to make a version that drops rocks
so that he can try and demine by hiting the mines
dense epoch
What? Not sure if objecting to me thinking BI would add them so they can be used to blow everybody to pieces by "terrorists" or something else 🤔
north compass
If they change those bombs so they don't harm infantry/vehicles they won't be effective against mines 😄
"Terroristic" aspect of demining drone is up to its users.
You don't have to use them that way.
crisp wyvern
@scenic gyro wouldn't have room for anything larger than a stomper or quad? even the LSVs are too large I found this out back when testing out ViV about the CH-49/EH302
dense epoch
@north compass with one my comments, I was replying to you, I doubt they'd add them if they intended for them to be used to harm civilians and military etc
north compass
Think of it as bonus application.
wintry ingot
I'm probably dum, but how to drop fliers?
north compass
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Leaflets First add magazine and weapon
then you can fire it when you control a drone or make it fire its weapon on waypoint/trigger/whatever way you want
timber sorrel
so, what happens when you find all 8 training mines in the idap scenario?
@scenic gyro agreed. i'd like to see the uniform variants added to the game properly
the NATO woodland uniform for example, it exists (there's an item for it) but the texture just shows as a regular multicam uniform
tame rover
you get an achievement on Steam
timber sorrel
yes, i love it.
i would like some of the guerilla loadouts in campaign (with AK, protector, basic helmet, etc) to become standard loadouts in the editor though?
or perhaps we can have a guerilla module which randomizes weapons and gear of a synced group to more closely resemble an insurgency
i would also like syndikat specifically, to ignore the rules of war
crisp wyvern
I wasn't aware that they did observe?
blazing sorrel
Just a thought: Suicide AL-6.
lucid crag
@hot flame you obviously didn't play it much then did you? Nor the purpose of it all?
Plus this is just the beginning, they always save something for the stable
crisp wyvern
Although tbf Jets basically spent six months on dev branch and had plenty of iteration changes and reveals along the way
thick oyster
Let's be fair - that Van will sell itself
full sonnet
Hey kid. Wanna have some free Van's? Just hop in.
thick oyster
full sonnet
Why can't you?
thick oyster
no you cant reskin any official attachment
because they dont support hiddenselections
thick oyster
i was looking into that too xD
zealous halo
have anyone tested new dev branch? I wonder if the new vests are just retextures
tame rover
were new ones added today?
thick oyster
there were new vests?
thick oyster
there isnt anything new about vests in latest update
mighty pewter
They just added variants it looks like ...so nothing really new about them 😂
scenic gyro
@zealous halo You mean in Law of War DLC? There's only one new ballistic vest and that's a retexture. The other 'vests' are just civilian clothing
all stuff you can see on the DLC page - https://arma3.com/dlc/lawsofwar
high visibility safe vest - the sort of thing you see worn by construction workers etc. Or the ID vest, which is basically a bib identifying members of the IDAP group
thick oyster
that thing was already in when the dlc came in dev
zealous halo
thx
severe nimbus
hm, where are those camo selections for sidearms?
and I don't see the new camo for the M-200 (do they mean Mk200?)
I hope we get a medic backpack 😃
thick oyster
@severe nimbus they only added camo selection which you can use for camo variant
severe nimbus
-.- sigh why make it easy
scenic gyro
but which camo?
thick oyster
your own custom camo
scenic gyro
oh, just a hidden selection then. Yeah, because of the line above that mentioning texture tweaks, I read that as a new texture 😦
scenic gyro
@past moon What's my prize for being the closest to guessing what IDAP stood for back in June when the logo leaked? 😄
thick oyster
Fixed: Visual artifacts on iron sights of weapons with under barrel grenade launcher when certain scopes were attached to them
Fixed: Sections on the M-200 machine gun so that camo selections display correctly ```please add these into RC aswell
or in the final patch
past moon
any crashes or major issues with recent RC binaries ? tell us ❗
full sonnet
sunOrMoon is broken. Only returns Integer instead of float. So only 1/0 and nothing inbetween like it should.
light lintel
@full sonnet is that specific to RC? Last i checked with stable, there's a very narrow period when it's not 1 or 0
full sonnet
Even if there is a veeeerry narrow period that would be incorrect. It was working correctly before 1.70
light lintel
Alright. I think the last i checked was 1.70 or before, so dunno
I just got it to return sunOrMoon every second, and then used time acceleration
probably returned a float over a (in-game) 30 or 45 minute period
spare gazelle
It's a bit annoying that the minivan lightbar colours are locked to type (Ambulance being the only blue lightbar), Wish it was like the offroad with hides for service/emergency service beacons.
full sonnet
Can someone test if sunOrMoon works correctly right now on RC ? correctly means it returns something sensible and not just 1/0
scenic gyro
"Added: A warning whistle to the Demining Drone explosive charges (to make it less easily used as offense / surprise weapon)" hah
severe nimbus
I'm stull of the opinion for certain people they should add a version that dropps rocks instead of demining charges ... You know because they have never seen demining operations with the Israeli "Carpet" sytem.
And with they I mean people
past moon
new 1.76.rc is out
scarlet root
whats new?
rustic plaza
pretty much everything added to devbranch till Friday
scarlet root
sweet 😃
thick oyster
Added: A new "DriveOpticsIn" parameter for vehicle drivers (similar to turret "OpticsIn", but uses "OpticsModel" instead "gunnerOpticsModel" for the optics model)
interesting
crisp wyvern
Makes sense if going with interiors or with "futuristic" driver periscopes
verbal ginkgo
I noticed the issue with AI being pretty much helpless against even unarmed MRAP if they don't have any AT weapons. Without AT you can run them over completely unchallenged, this turns MRAPs into ridiculously effective battering rams. The AI simply will not fire small arms against the MRAP at all, just use UGLs at a distance, but up close nothing at all.
So I experimented a bit with the MRAP's config. the damageResistance does nothing. However, after I set the crewVulnerable to 1 the AI started using small arms against the Hunter. What's more: even if Hunter is largely invulnerable to small arms fire (ie. the armor works as it should), someone got lucky shot from the side, through the window and actually killed me, when I was driving around the enemy.
I think that MRAPs should have crewVulnerable set to 1.
crisp wyvern
Interesting, crewVulnerable is an AI parameter?
light lintel
I know the MRAPs are vulnerable to high calibre small arms
If you give the enemy a GM-6 Lynx with AP rounds, do they fire at the MRAP without crewVulnerable?
verbal ginkgo
@light lintel Even a not so high caliber small arms are effective. I think that the shot that killed me might have been 7.62mm round from either the SAW or DMR.
@crisp wyvern Yeah, its AI only value
@light lintel Guys with a lynx and AP ammo do engage the Hunter MRAP, even without crewVulnerable.
light lintel
hmm interesting
I've also seen infantry with just RPGs not engage infantry, of course that's a different issue
verbal ginkgo
I think that may be ammo or weapon config thing, the guys with RPG's may not have HE loaded. Well. my point still stays: the vanilla arma 3 MRAPs should have crewVulnerable set to 1 as small arms can actually injure the crew.
light lintel
I know the RHS MRAPs get attacked, i guess they have it enabled
crystal parrot
hey, how to custom the tracts and sign with personnal img ? cc @past moon
light lintel
This terrain object editing is pretty nice! https://twitter.com/VojtechKovaric/status/904998686459129856
Will we be able to assign/edit garrisons or building positions too (if not now, then at a later date)?
neat sparrow
What may cause gps/minimap (right ctrl + m) not to open?
I'm on RC, and there is some mods involved
inner pagoda
Mods throw everything out the window. Try it without mods and see if it persists.
neat sparrow
It's fine without. I have ruled it down to my server side mod. Laws of War Steam page said release on 12th... thought I had the weekend to figure it out 😛
tame rover
minimap is handled with the Left/Right Panel controls now. I think they're the [ and ] keys by default?
it's under "Common" in the keybinds anyway @neat sparrow
neat sparrow
I'm aware of that, tried, not working
Tried other missons, and it works there, so I guess I'm on my own
tame rover
Do you have a GPS is in your inventory in this particular mission? They only work if you have one equipped
neat sparrow
yes
lucid crag
@neat sparrow LOW comes out on sept 7...tomorrow.
neat sparrow
I know, I'm running out of time 😛
lucid crag
Quick! :p
neat sparrow
only 40 000 lines of code, I'll be fine
lucid crag
Woah 0_0 , working late tonight? :P
light lintel
another interesting dev update!
Tweaked: Doors, gates and hatches now use new technology for detection of user actions (actionNamedSel parameter)
can't try it out, sadly
rustic plaza
tech was there for some time - just nobody was brave enough to implement it on all assets 😉
it's using same principle as "selection" param in addAction https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/addAction
light lintel
ah yes i was looking at that selection param yesterday
wasn't sure what it actually did
in fact i'm still not sure what to make of it 😄
does someone have an image/video of it in action?
timber sorrel
@rustic plaza is the tech in current stable arma ? i.e could we add it to some custom player buildings now ?
rustic plaza
yes, it is @timber sorrel
yet it wasn't tested properly some you can expect some issues
so far nothing came from QA so fingers crossed for it flawless working 😉
timber sorrel
Ahh nice will have to download dev branch to see how it works. Also will check if any changes require for ai pathing actions or they still use the old config entries
whole cairn
Added: PhysX-simulated and animated tank tracks according to PhysX wheels rotation
Does this mean tracks and drive train/wheels all move at their correct speeds? Unlike currently where the tracks can spin 100x faster than the wheels spinning and vise versa?
Also PhysX simulated? Does this mean tracks actually have physics? So they can hang loose and get tighter depending on tension?
whole cairn
I would @ a developer but I'm sure they look at this thead enough haha
light lintel
i tested out the selection param for addAction
and well, i'm excited, to say the least 😄
should make door interaction really smooth
especially with multiple doors near each other
tame rover
Make your Tac Ops smoother perhaps...
light lintel
remembers direct VON volume still isn't separated from effects volume slider (although admittedly irrelevant to Tac Ops)
well done BIS, Arma is now getting to the point that I feel bad complaining about things 😛
rustic plaza
btw: selection can be tested with https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/getCursorObjectParams
rustic plaza
as for tank tracks - no, there is no physx
but behavior of those wheels changed
previously physx wheel matched size that you defined through "center" & "bound" memory point
now their size is increased so track behavior is more smooth
it's applied automatically to every tank and no input from model creator is required
full sonnet
That's gonna look neat.
Has there been progress on the random tank flip physx bug thingy yet?
When you stand still and rotate the barrel into a tree or a lamp-post the tank randomly goes flying a couple meters and does a couple backflips.
rustic plaza
tank flip should be fixed
that barrel thing sounds weird - there are no barrels in physx for vanilla vehicles
full sonnet
I mean the Tank Barrel... That's probably not the correct word... The Long pipe where the bullet is fired from 😄
Could be that it's only for modded tanks.. Don't use the vanilla ones much. But if Vanilla tank flip has been fixed it probably also fixed modded.
Didn't try on dev-branch yet. And also didn't try for couple months on release
rustic plaza
barrels shouldn't be in physx
and physx collision of barrels is most likely not going to be changed
I removed barrels in physx lod from rhs tanks some time ago - by 0.4.3. all should be gone
full sonnet
KK Thanks a lot. Only using RHS tanks anyway ^^
light lintel
barrels shouldn't be in physx
so do barrels not collide, or how does it work?
opaque oar
They haven't since Alpha.
light lintel
Ah, interesting. I think we always assumed they did.
Although I do remember modded tank/vic barrels getting stuck in forests 🤔
probably what reyhard was talking about removing
opaque oar
Modded tanks sure.
full sonnet
modded != vanilla
opaque oar
BWA3 Leopard has it.
full sonnet
And.. Yes. That's exactly what he said
I removed barrels in physx lod FROM RHS tanks some time ago - by 0.4.3. all should be gone
light lintel
cool
BTW, speaking of the barrels, it's possible to make them dissappear from view at particular angles (say if you were standing below the barrel, and turned the character)
so in one frame they're there, the next they're gone
don't know if it's a feature or a bug...
full sonnet
feature. Models that are not on screen are not rendered
I know. It's not perfect sometimes ^^
light lintel
hmm suspected as much
i've seen it happen with the lighthouses too - their beams stop rendering in a similar way
but yeah, reyhard - does this change to wheels mean tanks won't get stuck on those low walls? 😛
your image gives me hope
full sonnet
For everyone wanting to see these changes... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nliGgEie-Ec
@light lintel
Orgasm right there.
dense epoch
Holy smokes
full sonnet
Such a "little" change.... and so much value
viral eagle
overcoming obstacles? i thought thats what the gun was for 😉
tight marten
Dont cars handle obstacles much better now too?
Thats what it felt like to me anyway
Hitting a rock with a tire at speed didnt rip it off anymore, just went over it instead
dense epoch
Don't know, it does depend on how you hit the rock though, and the vehicle
Maybe you became a better driver? /s
lucid crag
Going 60 km/h into a rock isn't going to fair well irl and ingame
scarlet root
@river aspen
scarlet root
see above
river aspen
ok saw reyhard input, good news.
I dont find the "tank climbing 1.5m high wood pile" that crazy
but still better than the tank not being able to crush the pile :p
and bouncing on it
whole cairn
At least tanks can finally climb shit now haha
Still hoping for more improvements like this in future Dev releases! Love this kinda shit
candid dew
After a very brief testing, tracked vehicles seem to get stuck in some objects more easily now.
For example 20cm high "Cluster of small stones" almost completely stops the tank.
light lintel
🤦 😄
scarlet root
PhysX SDK ERROR: 2, msg: An actor has more than 64K interactions. New interaction is dropped., file p:\w\c\futura_2\extern\physx3\source\simulationcontroller\src\framework/ScInteraction.h, line 35
getting tons of rpt spam of this
almost 300k lines in a few minutes
also is this new?
No speaker given for //without some name as it used to be
Warning: Pixel shader Super not supported for roads.
also new
light lintel
Was testing selection with getCursorObjectParam. Mostly quite good, although can do some funky stuff like https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/104982724762157056/358765447312703489/20170916205722_1.jpg
Thinks the ground is a shop?
lucid crag
iirc getCursorObjectParam wasn't working as indended
light lintel
well...
btw: selection can be tested with https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/getCursorObjectParams
Welp.
light lintel
@ devs would be nice, in view of LoW, to have the sites module extended to civilians and cities
wolfenswan has a civilian sites script that adds things like cars and stuff too, at random positions on the streets
something like this in vanilla would be nice
lucid crag
@light lintel double @@ to mention user group btw
light lintel
@lucid crag i know, i didn't want to actually ping them
(there's a space between @ and "devs" for a reason)
lucid crag
Okay then....lol.
light lintel
(it's not that important and they read this channel anyway)
whole cairn
Would a dev, or anyone for that matter, be able to briefly explain in detail what the 3 new tank config parameters do?
tankTurnForceAngSpd = Sounds like it allows for more smoother turning in tanks while maintaining speed and force?
accelAidForceCoef = No idea what this could do from the title
accelAidForceSpd = " "
tight marten
Just guessing by name here, but I think accellAidForceCoef determines how much to boost for accelerating from a standstill, and accelAidForceSpd determines when it should stop boosting.
whole cairn
Shift boost or something else? Acceleration Aid Force, what does that even mean haha
tight marten
Shift boost is just full throttle AFAIK
dense epoch
I believe shift it actually bound to "Vehicle Turbo" but it's probably full throttle
whole cairn
Like, what Aids in Acceleration Force/Speed?
Engine power etc does, but from the config param name I still cant think of what aids it
Unless its like how efficient the engine is in producing acceleration force and speed?
No idea haha
lucid crag
Are we talking about regular ground vehicles?
because at this point, can't see any vehicle turbo bound like I saw beforehand in earlier builds
there is just "Vehicle Fast Forward" and "Vehicle slow Forward"
and then vehicle forward is bound to "W" , which seems to be going as fast as possible
light lintel
This is for tracked vehicles, is it not?
I've been told that tracked vehicles have some physx voodoo going on with them, could be related to that? Idk
gritty lion
does anyone else have CTD when trying to doubleclick on a waypoint? current devbranch/arma3diag.exe
seems like its just with arma3diag.exe
lucid crag
``` dedicated team of developers, we also need to steer some of our efforts into the direction of developing key new technologies, such as the Enfusion engine. This means that, aside from a couple of new features as part of the Tanks DLC, you should not expect any massive changes to Arma 3's core platform moving forward.````
So i guess enfusion is becoming more and more of a reality
light lintel
no radio overhaul then, i guess. fo shame
lucid crag
Yep
thick oyster
what? it is reality
lucid crag
No need to dive
Roadplan needs finishing first
A lot needs to change if they are switching over to enfusion
light lintel
PBR?
lucid crag
And what, you're marking the calender for q4 of 2018?
light lintel
don't think anyone is
lucid crag
I would just like to see through the end of arma 3 and the content that is going to come with that
light lintel
no harm in discussion though, as long as everyone knows large doses of salt need to be applied to everything
lucid crag
No not really
light lintel
also, physically based rendering i guess (PBR)
lucid crag
Just that with arma 4, it's going to be a whole new communitu
light lintel
why do you think that?
lucid crag
Mainly the screeching children who demanded better perf from arma 3
light lintel
people will migrate as they did with A3 from A2
lucid crag
Lool at how many arma vets dropped out this year
light lintel
people grow older, get tired. will come back with something fresh, or maybe they won't - that is the way of things
thick oyster
they will switch easily , dont worry about that
it happend with A2 and with A3 it will too
and if the tech gets better , it will get more people in
not like in A3 that is so outdated
light lintel
and i mean there's probably still at least a year or two before anything remotely resembling A4 comes out
thick oyster
technically yes , but content wise the tanks will be the end
light lintel
yeah. which is fine, i think. they did say there will be post tanks support
thick oyster
i can wait for arma 4 even in 2020 but it better have that new tech in
new tools and everything
light lintel
so if i had to guess, 1.78 is tac ops, 1.8 is tanks, 1.82, 1.84 will be post tanks clean up
hehe 6 years of Arma 3 by time it'll be time to move on
Anyway, curious regarding their content for A4
here's hoping for 1980s to 2010 stuff (or anything Not Future, really)
thick oyster
well if i could choose , i would prefer some OFP theme
blazing sorrel
Hoping Arma 4 isn't modern day. Either past (between 1960s and 1990s) or future (2020s or far future even).
Modern day insurgency stuff is just so boring.
A game based off the tensions in Eastern Europe set in say 2020 could be interesting though.
blazing sorrel
I just don't want the middle east.
light lintel
yeah fair enough
blazing sorrel
Africa could be nice.
Or Latin America, some sort of alternate history war between the US and uprisings in Mexico and stuff (cough GRAW cough).
light lintel
I dunno, would be nice to not have the US as a faction, even if US weapons are in
blazing sorrel
Eh, maybe.
light lintel
ditto for russia
blazing sorrel
(I want Brits)
light lintel
haha yeah
That would be quite nice, going by iron front
i just really hope they do radios properly
blazing sorrel
Whatever they do...
I hope Arma 3 sources are released for us to bring into A4.
Or just so I can use them for my own A3 mods. :P
crisp wyvern
@Midnight#4592 Lool at how many arma vets dropped out this year I thought part of that was the quality/complexity of vanilla assets being so high as to raise the bar for "better than vanilla" and thus the time/difficulty for modders
I'm with the second half of Night515, go all the hell in because real-world contemporary is already "future warfare" relative to some people's visions of 2010s
light lintel
Would be nice if the IDAP UGV (or maybe all the unarmed UGVs?) could support ViV to carry crates around
crisp wyvern
That runs into an immediate issue though... people take of drag and carry for wounded but no such advocacy has come for objects and Bohemia has seemingly shut the door on any major features post-Tanks
light lintel
@crisp wyvern I'm afraid i don't quite see the relation...
crisp wyvern
Basically even if you implemented crates-in-vehicles transport across more vehicles than just the IDAP UGV, wouldn't it look weird if a crate can't be carried to an unarmed UGV or manned ground vehicle for loading and one has to back the vehicle up to the static crate?
I've noticed it discussed that some vehicles are modeled in such a way that a sufficiently well-placed crate will stay in place if you're not turning too hard despite not any feigning of it being lashed down (attachTo back in the day, ViV Transport now), and even if it moves around a bit or could even fall over/off during a sufficiently sharp turn... but one has to script-fu or Editor-trick one's way to that, and crates-in-vehicles transport in and of itself is just a change in the method unless you also solve the drag & carry issue.
light lintel
@crisp wyvern you know right that crates are already compatible with ViV? 😃
You don't get an add action by default, but you can setVehicleCargo them
i.e. you could add your own custom add action or hold action
so the UGV just needs ViV support with an appropriate bounding box and weight limit
that's it
you should already be able to load crates into the IDAP Van
(crates are "vehicles", remember)
also
wouldn't it look weird if a crate can't be carried to an unarmed UGV or manned ground vehicle for loading and one has to back the vehicle up to the static crate
Well that's how heavy crates are often loaded IRL anyway...
but yeah before ViV was a thing we'd just use add action + attachTo
crisp wyvern
I was thinking of "Can we at least get a lorry or hand cart or some ability to carry sufficiently light crates to one?" 😛
crisp wyvern
@light lintel i.e. you could add your own custom add action or hold action Hence "script-fu"
light lintel
yeah, but i mean support is there
after all even with what is normally thought of as a vehicle, it's script-fu too, just at BI's office instead of our computers
crisp wyvern
But in the way that drag-and-carry for bodies is (in theory?) 'support is there'...?
light lintel
not really, because that requires complicated scripting (see: https://github.com/ferstaberinde/F3/blob/master/f/simplewoundingsystem/fn_OnDrag.sqf )
for loading crates it's literally one command (or one-two lines of code if you use addaction)
(worth mentioning that SWS dragging has been semi-broken for a while now)
lucid crag
@light lintel ViV? The ugvs are too small for that
light lintel
@lucid crag not for actual vehicles, but for crates
like the IDAP aid boxes or ammo crates
According to the IDAP showcase they are used for trasnporting things, after all
lucid crag
@light lintel Easy enough in script.
light lintel
That's not the point.
BTW @neat cosmos I wrote another of my essays concerning the infantry AT balance vs vehicles in A3. Thought it was relevant for Tanks DLC. Would be great if you could read it sometime, will probably take 5-10 mins 😄 https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/210648-request-for-expansion-of-infantry-at-assets-in-view-of-tanks-dlc/
lucid crag
Well it is the point
Why support it officially if users can do it themselves?
Supporting viv would mean a slated period of time for employees
When they could need / want to work on something else first
light lintel
What about it?
They could have just given us an empty one
we could have scripted it
no?
lucid crag
Certainly when their focus was to make a mission showcase / campaign was to transport vehicles they would provide official support for viv
Yes it was already available in mods and scripts
Just like the helo dlc
light lintel
Anyway, there's a difference between "it would be nice if xyz thing happened" and "OMG why doesn't BIS abandon everything and do this one thing!"
lucid crag
That's not what i said
light lintel
Why support it officially if users can do it themselves?
When they could need / want to work on something else first
I mean if they want to or need to work on something else first
then they will
no matter what i say
lucid crag
Obviously...?
light lintel
So....why bring it up?
lucid crag
I brought it up, because you indeed say "Hey it'd be cool if they did this"
And continuing to explain why they wouldn't because it doesn't benefit their future developments
BI is immensly community based, and will take into consideration popular opinion
It honestly seems like that is already achievable
Via config
gritty lion
is anyone else having issues with cargoturret inheritance with current dev branch+arma3diag?
gritty lion
nvm, whatever it was, it fixed itself
whole cairn
Anyone know what this actually means?
Added: Bounding boxes for Picture in Picture screens (potential optimization to not render what isn’t needed)
From a technical pov
tame rover
@gritty lion was it after doing a diag_mergeconfig or something? Have had some weird turret behavior after merges
gritty lion
i had buldozer open, for some reason packing while it was running produced an error in game with the diag exe
no clue
closing it fixed it
tame rover
@whole cairn I assume that it's something to detect whether a PIP screen is within the player's screen space, and stops rendering them if they are not. Like if an object's bounding box goes out of view, the object disappears
whole cairn
So it only renders what you're actually looking at?
gritty lion
it only applies to the PIP screens
like if you have a fancy PIP monitor in your cockpit and look away, the PIP screen is disabled until you look back at it again
whole cairn
Ahhh ok. Guessing this will be applied automatically?
tame rover
It seems like it could
tame rover
but the PIP screen plane already has bounds from the vertices used to create the screen
if the game can look for faces with r2t texture and stop rendering them accordingly when those verts are out of view
whole cairn
Would that improve performance?
gritty lion
slightly
but considering PIP screens are usually mirrors or cockpit panels within view i doubt its gonna have much impact
better than nothing
whole cairn
Thats true
golden plaza
It can be array of 4 memory points or array of arrays
Also it requires those 4 mem points to be sorted like top left, top right, bottom left and bottom right
Just a small note, the precision is still not exactly good, should be improved. Sometimes it might happen that PiP will render even though it is not visible to player.
And yes, you need to modify model - adding points to memory LOD
tame rover
mem points 😫
rustic plaza
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Cars_Config_Guidelines wiki article was updated here with info
(didn't found any better place for it)
cunning topaz
Thank-you for updating the wiki @rustic plaza .
Do you know why the engine needs to use memory points forming a bounding box, rather than using the actual r2t face itself to auto-generate the corners?
Is it because the r2t object could be a complex shape and so working out when it is in player view might be prone to error?
Also, is the order of the points in the array important so that it knows what direction the r2t faces or for another reason?
rustic plaza
R2t can sometimes have complex shape so it wouldn't work well
It's still not perfect with bboxes but at least you have some sort of control over it. It's working similarly to hud btw
light lintel
so apparently there's a "PGO-7" entry lying around in the vehicle inventory menus https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/104982724762157056/362931733240217600/unknown.png
but without a model
seems to be a part of Apex data
can be put into inventory, can't actually be used or seen
lucid crag
@light lintel Very spooky. Any ideas why it was thrown out?
light lintel
could be related to https://feedback.bistudio.com/T121840
and to be honest looks like an accidental addition
hushed pagoda
has anything changed on the skeletons?
I get this error on devbranch:
Error: Skeleton of some head doesn't match the skeleton of the corresponding body```Tweaked: Increased the PCML lock distance to 800m interesting
curious behind the reasoning though
brazen axle
Probably because 600m is incorrect http://saab.com/land/weapon-systems/support-weapons/NLAW/
gritty lion
Added: An option to set the minimum engine omega for PhysX simulation: minOmega
Added: accelAidForceYOffset to move aid force lower or higher as needed ``` what do these do?well minOmega would be the engine's minimum revolutions I guess
whole cairn
Maybe manual gear changing?
Or the Auto gearbox now somewhat picks the best gear rather than just picking max
light lintel
Probably because 600m is incorrect
Ah yes, realism. Waiting for them to addOTA (Overflying Top Attack) and DA (Direct Attack) firing modes😛
(probably worth mentioning that the RPG32 has a max range of 700m too)
brazen axle
That would be nice
gritty lion
has anybody in here managed to successfully use the diag_resetShapes command with the diagnostics exe?
the 3d models themselves are reloaded correctly but the animations dont work
its like the model.cfg is not there at all
before you ask, yes, the model.cfg structure is correct and if i pack it as pbo everything works fine
turbid portal
so you are using it with filepatching?
gritty lion
yes
turbid portal
and what files are in the packed pbo?
gritty lion
it's a tracked apc, so the usual stuff
rvmats, paas, p3ds, configs, hpps/hs and whatnot
turbid portal
and the model.cfg?!
gritty lion
yes of course 😄
as i said, the folder structure is identical, the folder in the arma 3 install is linked to the one in the p:\ drive so its as identical as it gets
i have the master model.cfg in the parent folder and everything
turbid portal
just wanted to ask, because I think filepatching only allows replacing files which are available in the pbo, too??
gritty lion
i know that filepatching doesnt allow to change stuff in the cfgskeletons class, but that's not something im trying to do
its like the model.cfg is not read correctly
🤔
waaait a second
turbid portal
not that you accidentally binarize the model and therefore no model.cfg gets packed into the pbo - i.e. it can't be replaced by filepatching
gritty lion
should i binarize the pbo im trying to work on?
lol just had this sudden revelation as you were typing
gritty lion
yeah, stuff has to be not binarized or filepatching shits the bed, thanks
rustic plaza
animations are loaded during arma startup and cannot be modified
in rpt you can spot something like
14:28:37 Loading movesType CfgGesturesMale
14:28:37 MovesType CfgGesturesMale load time 72 ms
14:28:37 Animation graph: 0 ms
14:28:37 Action maps: 0 ms
14:28:37 States and RTMs: 62 ms
14:28:37 Loading movesType CfgMovesMaleSdr
also using non binarized .rtm usually causes "The Thing" type weirdness
gritty lion
the problem was that i was using binarized pbos, packing with addonbuilder (i know...) without binarization fixed it
i mean vehicle animations, not soldier rtm type anims
timber sorrel
startup probably binarized the rtms
rustic plaza
I think there were some issues on diagnostic.exe so if you could send me a .rpt I could handle it to programmers
timber sorrel
making them work correct while addonbuilder binarizing might broke them
wait sry i missread the above issue 😄
gritty lion
no no everything is fine now
so basically what i was doing wrong was that the tracked vehicle pbo was binarized and that didnt sit well with filepatching
i repacked without binarization enabled and now everything seems to work as its supposed to
gritty lion
really gets my noggin joggin
full sonnet
_unit setUnitTrait ["loadCoef", _virtualLoadCo>
20:20:31 Error position: <setUnitTrait ["loadCoef", _virtualLoadCo>
20:20:31 Error Foreign error: Unknown enum value: "loadCoef"
20:20:31 File z\ace\addons\movement\functions\fnc_handleVirtualMass.sqf, line 36
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/setUnitTrait
False positive
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T126875
severe nimbus
@light lintel regarding RL attack modes: Maybe in teh Tank DLC, that would be nice ...
light lintel
I'm not holding my breath 😛
lucid crag
The announcement of Enfusion sort of deflated my excitement for the upcoming dlcs. Preordered them all, but still.
autumn sage
as if Enfusion based A4 will be available any time soon ^^
lucid crag
True. But i mean, still. When you have the altis life screechers totally going crazy about it. Whilst i am still sitting here waiting for bi to release more stuff
autumn sage
haha that's because they think C++-ish and OOP are magically going to solve their shitty whatever they do 😁
lucid crag
@autumn sage Yeah, thar's not going to happen. There are already so many different clones
crisp wyvern
Mind you we don't know what the limits will be like because without modding DayZ has yet to be tested like that
autumn sage
wouldn't worry about that to be honest
light lintel
^
light lintel
tasty changes on dev branch
Tweaked: AI path planning and driving for tracked vehicles was refactored
new audio and handling improvements for the Kuma
neat cosmos
💪
light lintel
🙇🏽
lucid crag
:alien:
whole cairn
New audio gives me fat 🍆
Sounds so heavy, like a mah fuckin MBT
Cant wait to hear all the different vehicle audio in the future.
lucid crag
@whole cairn really jealous right now. Away from pc at the moment. It better give me a 🍆
tight marten
the improvements are really good
lucid crag
:scream:
tight marten
actually feels like a tank IMO
well, mostly
hitting something like a cobblestone wall will still bounce it up a lot
whole cairn
@lucid crag put it this way, I was in the middle of like a 20min rant about some bullshit with some mates, and the sound of the engine starting up made me pause and actually smile and laugh in excitement haha
Until I went back to ranting
lucid crag
Meh @tight marten Physx needs a serious rework
@whole cairn OH HOT DAMN. THAT IS WHAT I NEED
tight marten
The sounds are indeed a lot better
lucid crag
Pow pow motherfuckers
tight marten
more like something you'd expect from a soundmod like JSRS
whole cairn
Makes you feel powerful haha
whole cairn
Dont know if a video would do justice haha
lucid crag
Well damn. I am going crazy at the thought of trying it out
tight marten
I'm working on a short video
lucid crag
My phone is dying Gordon. Hurry :(
Orr
As petyr said
It might just not do justice
tight marten
sorry mate, uploading will take a while
lucid crag
:frowning2:
tight marten
Sorry, I lied, it's almost up
@lucid crag
nvm again youtube processing is doing bugger-all
bugger it, it's not doing anything and there are already other videos up anyway
@lucid crag
whole cairn
Yea video doesnt do justice haha
cobalt frost
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blazing sorrel
Really hoping the other armored vehicles get new sounds tomorrow because - apart from the MBT-52 - they're unusable.
Sounds are so BAD compared to the Kuma.
:p
light lintel
well...as long as they get them by the time 1.78 is out i'll be happy
I wonder if the IFVs will sound different from the tanks
i don't know if they would IRL, just assuming that tanks would have a bigger engine
whole cairn
Too be fair they're adding heaps of tanks DLC related stuff quite far in advance. We still got Tac Ops to go
whole cairn
New gear? New equipment? New weapons etc?
If its legit just missions that an interesting dlc
thick oyster
as BI said it seems to be just SP missions
light lintel
yeah, no mention of non-mission content thus far
jets dlc work also went on for a few months before release (December to March, iirc)
lucid crag
Still confuses me why people think tac ops is going to be just missions
light lintel
because that's what BI said
lucid crag
No, that was not their exact words
just is an interesting modifier in this situation
BI has never released something like tac ops without a platform update or content addition of any kind
tame rover
it has new door-opening technology
lucid crag
Which will be introduced somewhere later down the line
light lintel
or you mean already in dev branch
lucid crag
No
You mis interpreted my words again
There will eventually be something in one of those missions that utilizes this new door technology
light lintel
but everything already uses the new door tech?
i.e. looking at things shows you their action
also, BI's official statement is:
Arma 3 Tac-Ops (est. Q4 2017*)
Plan and execute to successfully accomplish your mission objective in a series of 'tactical operations'. The Arma 3 Tac-Ops DLC will deliver new singleplayer scenarios that focus upon challenging, replayable, and authentic military gameplay - making the best use of Arma 3's sandbox terrain, vehicles, and weapons.```which to me makes it sounds like it'll bring new SP scenarios that make the best use of existing assets
and hey, would love to be wrong but i'm not holding my breath to be honest
thick oyster
imho if there was some feature , then that would be in dev already
light lintel
i suppose there will be some platform changes to the infantry side of things, which would be nice
lucid crag
When has BI done that? Never
light lintel
never say never 😛
lucid crag
And what? Ditch the business model?
light lintel
hm?
how?
missions will still be exclusive to owners, since they're SP
platform updates, if any, will be free for everyone
thick oyster
yes and without that season pass or dlc you cant play those missions
not a new concept
light lintel
it's already like this with some of the showcases and time trials
thick oyster
yup
lucid crag
My point being -> it's not always as it seems
Jets dlc, carrier, props
Marksman dlc, weapons props, platforn update
Giant platform update for jets
Hell even karts
Propz
light lintel
sure, but all of those things were specified
lucid crag
Functionality
light lintel
okay, not all
lucid crag
No they werent
light lintel
but they had initially said - ASF for all three factions. Was clear they'd have one jet each. Then they specified sensor tech, which was on dev for a long time
So yeah, there was some bonus content, but those were all content DLCs to begin with
lucid crag
Why would tac ops be any different?
light lintel
Similarly Tanks platform changes are in full swing today, so that they'll be fully ready for new content by Q1
Tac ops isn't content in the same way as BI has stated
it's a mission pack officially
there may be bonus content, but unless it's official in any capacity, it doesn't exist
lucid crag
We will see soon enough
light lintel
And as RobertHammer said >imho if there was some feature , then that would be in dev already
lucid crag
Why?
They arent obligated to do so
This door shit may be just the first half of it all
light lintel
Well looking at Jets and Tanks, it's likely that any major platform change would need testing
light lintel
The door stuff was already a part of the addAction command for a few versions
they had to implement it into the model configs and stuff for relevant objects
light lintel
selection
but yeah, i'd rather take them literally and be surprised, than expect something they haven't stated and then be disappointed - that's all i'm saying
lucid crag
Don't try and keep telling me that it's just going to be missions because you are afraid of being dissapointed
lucid crag
Just saying man
I mean holy fuck dude, they have never deviated from the platform updstes
lucid crag
Deleting messages i see? 👀
carmine juniper
Yeah I was wrong
crisp wyvern
@whole cairn Too be fair they're adding heaps of tanks DLC related stuff quite far in advance. And don't forget that the fire control system (FCS) came as early as Jets!
whole cairn
That was mainly because it was an overhaul of the sensor system
crisp wyvern
Despite the tanks no longer having sensors as per Jets because the old IR/visual sensors on the turrets were replaced by the FCS
light lintel
OMG YES Added: Saving and restoring expansion state of Edit tree in Eden Editor
Finally 😄
Added: An ability to synchronize a Picture in Picture display with optics in vehicles
ooo
Fixed: Dynamic Vehicle Loadouts were available to the crew of turrets configured as cargo positions (showAsCargo)
gritty lion
seems like the take control action in helos doesn't work in current dev branch diag exe
crisp wyvern
Today: Added: Limited resizing of info panels (GPS, Radar...). (Resize right panel to change both panels! Splendid scaling not guaranteed.) (https://feedback.bistudio.com/T126889) Added: Difficulty options to enable/disable Tactical Ping separately in the map and scene
Yesterday: Added: New UI resource types (RscPictureAllowPixelSplit & RscPictureKeepAspectAllowPixelSplit) for exact positioning, even splitting pixels. Use for slow transitions / movements (using RscPicture resulted in choppy movement as game moved the resource only by whole pixels)
light lintel
yesterday had a lot of cool things added
crisp wyvern
Mmmhmm, wanted to highlight those in particular
lucid crag
@crisp wyvern inb4 rsc hightlighting ?
crisp wyvern
@lucid crag I figured that that was most relevant to modders amongst the changes
lucid crag
@crisp wyvern Yep, I knew what you mean. Inb4 meaning that I guess now that you mention it, there is a possibility that it'll get added. (in before) (before it happens)
gritty lion
does anybody here know how to fix this? https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/202173-dynamic-vehicle-loadouts-feedback/?page=18 showAsCargo = 1 doesnt seem to do anything contrary to what devbranch changelog suggests :\
crisp wyvern
Yesterday's dev branch changelog (20 October 2017, EXE rev. 143345):
Tweaked: Using ammunition with the Datalink does not require line of sight on the target anymore Tweaked: Using ammunition with radar does not require active sensors anymore
light lintel
yeah saw. curious what the second one means. Ah, i suppose its for mods like the RHS Mig 29 + R77
lucid crag
so, the sensors are just asthetic and informative?
the ammunition doesn't require a lock from a sensor target?
light lintel
only if the ammo has the sensor itself. so ammo without the sensor would probably still need active sensor input from the aircraft/vehicle - that's how i read it at least.
lucid crag
Ah okay, that's g ood.
crisp wyvern
@light lintel @lucid crag From the dev branch general discussion thread on the BIF:
ski2060: Does this indicate that third party units equipped with Active Radar Home weapons can now fire those weapons at a target illuminated by someone else?
Imperator[TFD]: In regards to the last point; yes. I tested it this morning.
lucid crag
@crisp wyvern Hell yeah.
light lintel
aha
crisp wyvern
@lucid crag @light lintel I will second Imperator[TFD]; early this morning I had an unarmed Cheetah pick up a hovering Orca by search radar and hand off the target via data link to my player-controlled Mk21 Centurion, which was then able to engage (lock/launch) the Orca while keeping its own radar off -- and thus the Centurion staying hidden from the Orca's RWR/sensor display -- the entire time.
light lintel
i can't say i like that tbh, if these were unmodded vehicles
it spoils the rock-paper-scissors thing
but if this isn't default vanilla behaviour, or of it can be toggled easily then that's great
crisp wyvern
This is unmodded vanilla -- notably, as I figured out later on, this removes the need for "data link missiles" that I demo'd in my months-old video about the data link sensor -- and toggling it would be via either disabling the vehicles' data link send/receive capabilities (be it in the Editor Attributes or via scripting) or I imagine disabling the launcher vehicle's data link sensor via scripting
light lintel
but then that disables the sensor information
crisp wyvern
tbf the data link sensor actually doesn't provide 'sensor display readout' information beyond vehicle type (i.e. "Helicopter")
light lintel
which is fine
as far as i'm concerned, "this is where the enemies (which we can see) are" is good/fine, "lock radar targets without even exposing yourself" is not a great idea by default
especially since centurions have have the map covered anyway
oh dear this is going to break missions...
crisp wyvern
@light lintel On the other hand IMO it's 'balanced' in that someone (on the Centurion's side) has to have their radar on and Data Link Send checked
light lintel
the thing is, i may want to give players target information but not allow targetting
and data link send is on by default if i'm not wrong (which is what will break missions relying on air defence regions)
crisp wyvern
Data link send is on by default for specific vehicles (including the carrier static defense turrets)
crisp wyvern
Come to think of it, what do you mean by "air defence regions"?
crisp wyvern
@light lintel I just gave things a go from the air target POV -- specifically, on Tanoa I flew a Neophron from Saint-George Airstrip against a Praetorian atop the Tuvanaka Airbase water tower with a radar-forced-off Centurion on the grass by the taxiway several kilometers from each other on separate islands -- and for what it's worth the active radar homing (ARH) lock warning circle-and-cone-on-the-sensor display are still present, so the launcher isn't completely invisible on the sensor display the way a dismounted IR-guided MANPADS would be... it just doesn't have the white detected-contact box/triangle and the "illuminating you on radar" hollow yellow circle
light lintel
Come to think of it, what do you mean by "air defence regions"?
zones with AA coverage
as to the other thing... yeah that's a problem in my book
since you won't know untill it's firing its 8 missiles at you
also, where's the realism argument in this? (because i certainly can't see the gameplay merits)
crisp wyvern
since you won't know untill it's firing its 8 missiles at you locking the first missile, key difference IMO 😉
light lintel
yeah, the idea is always to avoid that if you can, though 😄
Also, how would this work with SEAD? Assuming ARMs ever make it
It's triggering me the more i think about it 😛
crisp wyvern
Somehow that sounds like a misuse of triggering...
Also, how would this work with SEAD? Assuming ARMs ever make it You can still kill the search radar 😄
light lintel
yes but not wot's shooting at you
(which has its own radar)
like i literally couldn't care about the AAA if i know it's out of range, i absolutely care about a hidden SAM with fairly good missiles that's going to shoot me
crisp wyvern
Ahem The whole point of this dev branch change is that it takes the launcher's own radar out of the equation except as a backup
crisp wyvern
You kill the search radar, you blind the launcher
light lintel
It's not like A3 has standalone radars whos sole purpose is illuminating things
crisp wyvern
Or force the launcher to turn on its radar and thereby expose itself anew
light lintel
and even standalone radars need to be on the same SAM site usually
I find this a really strange thing to be honest :/
I fully support another check box that enables this explicitly, or they ensure that datalink send/recieve is disabled for all vehicles by default (and that this works for existing missions)
crisp wyvern
Depends on how you define "the same SAM site" -- part of the point of Iron Dome is the ability to disperse the system geographically
Oh and data link send/receive is disabled for most vehicles by default
light lintel
I rememebr at least one of them being on, it's possible i'm thinking of position broadcasting
crisp wyvern
own-position broadcasting maybe
light lintel
And is the suggestion that that this change is made in the view of Iron Dome?
crisp wyvern
As a quick note, the Neophron's anti-radiation sensor did help somewhat in that it let me "Next target (in vehicle)" the Praetorian from much further out than with the TGP-aligned visual sensor
light lintel
well...kinda meaningless without an ARM to counter with...
After all, having search radars set up outside of the SAM's coverage is a strange decision to make - i.e. by the time you close in to take out the search radar, you have 8 missiles en route....
crisp wyvern
well...kinda meaningless without an ARM to counter with... I said somewhat for a reason 😉
Remember what I previously discussed regarding "data link missiles"?
For what it's worth, keep ski2060's question (which was answered in the affirmative) in mind: "third party units equipped with Active Radar Home weapons can now fire those weapons at a target illuminated by someone else"
crisp wyvern
@light lintel And if you thought this was bad, I just flew the Neophron against the Praetorian paired with a Spartan... the Centurion's lock warning at least means "bug out", with the Spartan you just get the same incoming-missile warning and encircled-"M" that a MANPADS gives
crisp wyvern
The most effective result I had against the pair was using a Sentinel UCAV with a self-lased GBU to kill the Praetorian
light lintel
Hmm but the Spartan needs an IR lock not a radar lock 🤔
scenic gyro
does the Spartan need an IR lock, or do the missiles need the lock? i.e. Could it in theory blind-fire based on a bearing/elevation provided by a search radar and hope the missiles are able to acquire an IR lock when they close within range of the target?
light lintel
well in theory
(yeah missiles need an IR lock)
but do you randomly fire a missile hoping that it locks on to something in a general direction?
Sounds like a really bad idea 😄
Also, this is a video game, so the question is what are the mechanics/how is this being simulated or rationalised within the context of the game
other than "magic hax lol"
scenic gyro
I wasn't actually suggesting you would want to do it, just whether it was theoretically possible 😉
crisp wyvern
@scenic gyro @light lintel The Spartan itself is cued by data link (and sensor) from the Praetorian, so the Spartan stays off of RWR the whole time (no onboard active radar at all)
scenic gyro
one of the things that was problematic in my testing (with 1.70) was the fact that with that narrow search radar on the Centurion, unless the AI is actively scanning the horizon it's just too easy to sneak up without being seen. Is that addressed by any of the later updates?
I found that despite the larger range of the Centurion, it wasn't engaging until the Praetorian detected the threat
crisp wyvern
@scenic gyro The Mk49 Spartan's own onboard radar was removed and the Centurion's narrowed to 15° wide when all three turrets gained their data link sensors
light lintel
just whether it was theoretically possible
I really don't know that, tbh.
crisp wyvern
but do you randomly fire a missile hoping that it locks on to something in a general direction? looks at lock-after-launch/and the autoseekTarget ammo parameter
tame rover
AFAIK autoSeekTarget doesn't work at the ammo's init, without a target being marked first
nocturne crystal
How manny Ammo types actually use autoSeek ? i belive GBUs do ?
scenic gyro
@crisp wyvern Right, the issue isn't so much with the weapons and radar config itself, as it is with the fact that the AI won't actively scan in the Centurion, so although it has a longer range than the Praetorian's radar, unless it just happens to be pointed in the right direction it's useless until the target enters the detection range of another turret or vehicle with a 360 radar
crisp wyvern
@scenic gyro Admittedly the relevant dev branch changelog made it sound like that was the goal, although the Centurion and Spartan also have onboard visual and IR sensors respectively
scenic gyro
we need a search radar asset :/ A data-link only item, with no weapons that isn't AI driven, it just does a 360 scan.
A model would be nice, but a module that can be attached/placed near static buildings (Radomes) would be good
nocturne crystal
@scenic gyro like a radar vehicle / static object ?
scenic gyro
yeah. Although you can use the praetorian with no ammo to do the same thing, it's not ideal because it has more limited range than the actual missile systems
basically if I want to create scenarios where ground teams must knock out the radar/SAM systems before they can get air cover, then those systems have to be a realistic threat. Currently, if the ground team has eyes on the target (or better still a laser), then air assets can just knock out the AA threat from range without ever being detected. There's no incentive for the ground team to get close in, penetrate defences and either demo charge or AT the AA.
I guess mods will fill the gap eventually, but I would have liked to see a native solution from BI
nocturne crystal
well considering what you guys wrote over here, something like a patriot system should be possible (1 radar vehc; 1-2 missile vehc)
@scenic gyro that would be a nice scenario
crisp wyvern
Currently, if the ground team has eyes on the target (or better still a laser), then air assets can just knock out the AA threat from range without ever being detected. There's no incentive for the ground team to get close in, penetrate defences and either demo charge or AT the AA.
Not quite true in vanilla I believe -- the vanilla laser and NV sensors only go out to 6 km.
light lintel
and there are no AGMs with that kind of range, or that can use laser locks
or well, skalpels can
crisp wyvern
There's the Jian ATGM on the KH-3A Fenghuang
light lintel
Don't remember seeing it loadable on aircraft though?
nocturne crystal
okay.. im not sure if it is a bug but, can you guys open the left and right info panels ? (sensors, gps, etc.)
well looks like something went wrong 16:25:15 B Alpha 1-1:1 (Fenrir) (Heavy Gunner): Unknown action ListRightVehicleDisplay, target B Alpha 1-1:1 (Fenrir) lets see what happens after i go back to prof-branch
crisp wyvern
@light lintel Correct, for now it's exclusive to that drone
nocturne crystal
okay... i can open the panels again... in prof-branch <.< can somebody else check if they have the same bug?
crisp wyvern
Biggest changes for players in today's changelog are improved off-road mobility on the Marshall and Marid and Tweaked: Toolkit / Medikit that can be now carried in a vest
scenic gyro
Umm, these are new smaller form medkits/toolkits, or your somehow supposed to be able to carry those large ones in a vest pocket now?
lucid crag
Strap? @scenic gyro
scenic gyro
taking my comment from yesterday further, if smaller medkits were available that acted as limited use items, like first aid kits only you get 5-10 uses from it that would be a nice compromise.
crisp wyvern
Seeing dr. hladik's clarification that `Ammo needs "datalink sensor" to be able to lock on datalink target without LOS.
(radar guided missiles still need valid LOS)`
verbal ginkgo
suggestion: disable the automatic direction switching on camera. Currently if go backward the camera will automatically switch to the rear view. This one is just infuriating when you fly aircraft, you are unable to look back if are making a turn. It also makes it really hard to make a position correction in helicopters
another suggestion: when in free view mode, when you press and hold alt you are given the mouse control over vehicle
nocturne crystal
@verbal ginkgo automatic direction switching on camera ???? do you mean in vehicle oder an unattached camera?
verbal ginkgo
@nocturne crystal Currently if go backward the camera will automatically switch to the rear view. This one is just infuriating when you fly aircraft, you are unable to look back if are making a turn. It also makes it really hard to make a position correction in helicopters
nocturne crystal
that would be something new o.O
verbal ginkgo
its full on loss of free camera control, and its just horrible
And its not new
IMHO the free camera should be left completely in player's control
Its most noticeable in 3rd person, but it also affects first person at times
And dont give me BS about 3rd person not being important
nocturne crystal
well i can't remember something like that in stable O.o so unless it's only in dev .... do you have any mods enabled?
nocturne crystal
O.o
thb im not sure if we are talking on the same level right now..... if i get into a vehicle and drive backwards my camera stays where it is unless i do something with it o.O
verbal ginkgo
ah, I see its not switching to the rear view, its the camera trying to follow the yaw of the craft
In tight turn it causes free camera to completely spaz out and become uncontrollable
I'll record a vid of that behaviour
nocturne crystal
head -> desk what you mean ist not a camera switching but the fact that the cam it self stays behind the vehicle, and that there are some errors in tight turns (which are probably related to "turn limits" an maybe even a bit of math)
verbal ginkgo
What made me make my mistake was the fact often when you are trying to fly backward, you change the yaw a little bit
nocturne crystal
you have to be rather slow and/or activly counter any turn if you want to fly backwards with an heli o.o
verbal ginkgo
the fact is camera completely spazes out
light lintel
isn't that because the character's head can't turn further, and the game switches it to the other extreme?
in which case, yeah it is annoying
nocturne crystal
i think so, maybe its even because some of the limits are "collapsing" into each other and you get something like a "gimbal lock", and yeah THAT is annoying
verbal ginkgo
uploading the video showcasing the issue
verbal ginkgo
Trying to look at the hangar area one the island's airport using the 3rd person free camera. No mods, pure vanilla Arma 3
https://vid.me/Ainb2
light lintel
yeah those are head turn limits being weird. would indeed be nice if it locked to one extreme.
basically when you're in free look mode, even in third person, your character's head is turning too
verbal ginkgo
As you can see in aircraft it makes the camera virtually uncontrollable
IMHO the 3rd person camera should have completely free rotation. NOT -180 to 180 mind you, that one also causes a lot problems, that one is noticeable in locked on pilot camera on the Wipeout and Black Wasp
Completely free rotation
scenic gyro
That video just demos everything that is wrong with 3rd person view
verbal ginkgo
hurr durr arma 3 is realistic military shooter lets remove 3rd person as its not realistic hurr durr
The fact you are supposed to use first person dosen't mean that 3rd person camera should be shitty. If you wanted proper good 3rd person camera then you should have shoulder switching and free rotation as well.
crisp wyvern
I missed this from Wednesday but final-freaking-ly:
Added: Gendarmerie Van variants
Also, while passenger seating and ViV Transport remain mutually exclusive in vanilla, at least now the same vehicle (classname-wise) can support either: Added: An ability to transport characters in the back of the cargo Van via Virtual Garage's "Add passenger spots" attribute (enabling it disables Vehicle-in-Vehicle Transport)
As minor as it is relative to the armor improvements leading into the Tanks platform update: Tweaked: Behavior of all 3 wheeled APCs in water was improved by adjusting their engine force offset
Finally, on the day before aka last Tuesday:
Tweaked: After observing recent NATO & CSAT technological developments of their wheeled APCs, AAF decided to deploy their own mobility upgrade pack for the AFV-4 Gorgon