#dev_rc_branch | ARMA | Page 15

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 2:21 PM

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@scenic gyro This is what I was referring to about the Black Wasp mod: http://www.armaholic.com/datas/users/fa-18x-black-wasp-v099-6_4.jpg

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 2:25 PM

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that's nice, not quite what I thought. A topographic map is more useful, the RAF used OrdnanceSurvey data iirc, or something close to it - akin to the in-game map but with the ground texture toggled off unlike the monotone in-game GPS.

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and you could just toggle the zoom level

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pretty much like a modern day phone GPS 😃

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 2:29 PM

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Hell if I know how that would have worked, though when you look at all the stuff on that dashboard... still impressive IMO.

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Can't help but feel though like it, like prior solutions, would have still been a "custom fit for each airframe/cockpit" solution though... versus the config-based display panels system Bohemia went with where customization is in the config (what seats have access to what display modes/sub-modes).

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 2:49 PM

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... cynical thought: there's no official in-mission loadout editor because, just like reactions to the Freedom on dev branch, it would have been greeted with "why doesn't it look like the Super Hornet's?" 😄

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 2:58 PM

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heh, the screaming that results from the decision not to include an in-mission editor will definitely be a lot louder

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the ability to edit loadouts is a fantastic move, pure brilliance on the part of BI. However when people were asking for that functionality, I'll guarantee that most of them were imagining they would get the Super Hornet's in-mission editor

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 3:01 PM

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most of them were imagining they would get the Super Hornet's in-mission editor And therein lies the problem 😛 as we've learned as far and away from what Bohemia had in mind... after all, making something engine-native is a whole different bag of worms, to say nothing of UI

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 3:04 PM

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it's certainly what the KoTH and wasteland crowd will want, the ability to buy and load up an aircraft for endless standoff engagements or carpet bombing

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 3:09 PM

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snort Whereas the current implementation does at least restrict that capability to whatever the mission-maker allows for...

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 3:15 PM

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yep

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 3:17 PM

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Although fwiw I personally was thinking of the aesthetic, that Bohemia's hypothetical in-mission editor might have looked like an in-mission-dialog version of the existing "Object - Pylon settings" portion of the Eden Attributes window than like the visual of the Super Hornet/Flanker mods' GUI

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 3:20 PM

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yeah, I get where you were coming from. Personally I could live with a simple UI, but you're right that some would probably expect something at least as pretty at those mods. I know a lot of people were asking for the loadout editor to match the virtual arsenal one.

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with 3d model of the aircraft updating as you select the munitions

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 3:21 PM

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that had seemed logical to be honest, given that vehicle appearance is set there

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(which was previously set in Eden attibutes...)

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 3:21 PM

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it's logical, and it would be nice to have, I'm just saying I could live with a very basic UI if the alternative is no in-game editing at all

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 3:22 PM

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oh sure, i'm perfectly happy with the current thing

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 3:23 PM

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instead I guess it will just be one more mod we have to install and then keep enabling/disabling because it's not allowed on 50% of servers

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 3:23 PM

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(and yeah, i'd be happy with a simple in-game UI too)

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 3:32 PM

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@scenic gyro I know a lot of people were asking for the loadout editor to match the virtual arsenal one. with 3d model of the aircraft updating as you select the munitions I was definitely in this camp and admit some disappointment that the mission-maker's GUI came down to dropdown lists instead of this, as SuicideKing describes (vehicle appearance going from Eden Attributes to Virtual Garage), especially because we do see the change in munitions in the 3D world once you've completed your loadout choices in "Object - Pylon settings."

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 8:18 PM

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@light lintel Gotta say playing Showcase: Fixed-Wings with the current sensors arrangement on the Wipeout and its pre-dynamic loadout stores (gun, 7x Shrieker HE, 7x Shrieker AP, 2x Falchion-22, 6x Macer, 4x GBU-12, laser marker) is a bit of a trip...

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 8:29 PM

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i found it mildly frustrating to target the arty SPGs

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since the spotter feed is A) useless, B) obstructs the right panel

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and they don't seem to lase targets

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so by the time i could actually find something i had flown by

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but it was nice, find target on one pass

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and launch missile on second

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refreshing change from "spam R to lock"

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i'm not saying they'll have to tweak their showcases

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but they'll have to tweak their showcases 😛

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 8:49 PM

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Oh yeah 😦 re: the spotter feed... although in fact they did lase the target as promised, it's just that... well... Macers can't lock onto that, or the (cold) Sochors either! 😛

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 8:51 PM

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🤔

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so macers can't lock on to an external lase but can lock the aircraft's own lase? (because this is how i killed one of them)

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that's really weird

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 8:53 PM

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well in real life they would potentially use different laser frequencies, but for gameplay purposes it would make sense for all lasers to use the same frequency

bleak canopy Apr 23, 2017, 8:53 PM

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I think you're supposed to LGB the lased arty

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 8:53 PM

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@bleak canopy The Showcase doesn't make this obvious but that's definitely what I believe to now be intended behavior

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 8:53 PM

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isn't the LGB HE though?

bleak canopy Apr 23, 2017, 8:54 PM

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Yeah Crossroads says something like "It's time to use some heavy ordnance!"

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 8:54 PM

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i know tanks are unaffected by HE arty shells

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the pilot also says "it's a nice view from up here" like it's first time he's flying a plane

bleak canopy Apr 23, 2017, 8:54 PM

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Well, this is a 2000lb HE bomb on a minimally-armored self-propelled gun.

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 8:54 PM

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let's just say i ignore the banter

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😄

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 8:55 PM

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LGB is significantly larger than an artillery shell

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 8:55 PM

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Ampersand, this is also Arma, I don't trust it with logic 😛

bleak canopy Apr 23, 2017, 8:55 PM

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haha point

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 8:55 PM

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but if you've managed to make it work then i guess that's the intention now

bleak canopy Apr 23, 2017, 8:56 PM

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I'm pretty sure GBU-12 kills everything in game?

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 8:56 PM

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the concussive force alone would render the occupantant of the tank permanently deaf, even if the seals survived intact and they weren't killed by overpressure

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 8:57 PM

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i really do think that the mavericks should be able to home in on ground lasers

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since not doing so severely limits the kinds of air/ground coordination that you can design

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BTW, i think UAVs have become far more useful now

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oh another thing, AAA engages parachuting pilots

bleak canopy Apr 23, 2017, 9:01 PM

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We should be able to change the missile ammo sensor via config right? to make EO/IR/laser Macers?

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 9:01 PM

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😒

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Ampersand: But is that compatible with vanilla missions?

bleak canopy Apr 23, 2017, 9:02 PM

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hmm no. It would be nice to have a vanilla missile with each seeker type

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 9:02 PM

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yeah, that would infact be a good idea

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or at least a script command to toggle abilities, if possible

bleak canopy Apr 23, 2017, 9:03 PM

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or just use dual-mode Brimstones which are basically the old magic lock =p

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 9:03 PM

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oukej will kill us 😄

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but yeah, i think dual mode IR/laser + EO or ARM version would be interesting

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doesn't even have to look different

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same model, different config

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i'd be happy

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 9:06 PM

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@light lintel i really do think that the mavericks should be able to home in on ground lasers since not doing so severely limits the kinds of air/ground coordination that you can design Look at the history of Maverick versions... 😉

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 9:07 PM

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i mean in the game 😛

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but yeah i see what you mean

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Maverick E2/L model incorporates a laser-guided seeker that allows for designation by the launch aircraft, another aircraft, or a ground source and can engage small, fast moving, and maneuvering targets on land and at sea.

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 9:11 PM

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@bleak canopy hmm no. It would be nice to have a vanilla missile with each seeker type One nice thing about how config-heavy the Jets sensor overhaul is... this is entirely possible via config mod

bleak canopy Apr 23, 2017, 9:14 PM

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Yeah! new system seems very robust

neat cosmos Apr 23, 2017, 9:16 PM

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Just to acknowledge - the vanilla missile setup isn't something we'd be satisfied with and how things are done now is to mainly respect the previous state. We have some plans how to utilize the system better.

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 9:18 PM

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ooh, thanks!

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eagerly waiting for goodies 😛 😃

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on that note, how are the Orca's DAGRs supposed to work? they don't seem to lock, orca's camera is facing the ground...

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 9:25 PM

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@neat cosmos Great news! Truthbetold I would hope that the Showcases are updated to match... "oh hey the stationary targets that I used to be able to Macer spam I now have to GBU" was very unintuitive for me.

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 9:45 PM

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heh try the gunships showcase

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the NATO SPAAG doesn't have a counter at the moment

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since scalpel ATGMs refuse to lock to a passive or active radar target

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i think getting their playtesters to go through the showcases would be a good way to see if there need to be tweaks

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man i should really consider applying to their Amsterdam office for part time work 😂

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"can I work on saturdays?"

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"i'll test the week's dev branch updates for you"

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qualifications?
"i play a lot of Arma"

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 9:50 PM

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Speaking of showcases, "fun" story... the Wipeout doesn't have "Man"-class sensors and thus can't find whoever's attacking with MANPADS 😛

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 9:51 PM

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haha yeah. but hey, single mode countermeasures are wonderful

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and since the new throttle means i don't have to keep shift pressed

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it's nice to drop flares at a steady rate as I flyby

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23:37:03 Sound: Error: File: a3\sounds_f\sfx\special_sfx\building_destroy_07.wss not found !!!
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lots of this in RPT

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23:25:12 a3\Missions_F_Gamma\Showcases\Showcase_Gunships.Altis\mission.sqm/Mission/Entities/Item64/Entities/Item4.type: Unknown enum value SeekAndDestroy```

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don't know if this is standard dev branch stuff

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 10:01 PM

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and since the new throttle means i don't have to keep shift pressed it's nice to drop flares at a steady rate as I flyby On the other hand it seems that even single flares can be effective, much less a burst, at defeating launched missiles...

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 10:02 PM

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i dunno, i still get hit a lot

neat cosmos Apr 23, 2017, 10:02 PM

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and newly they can be efficienty at breaking a lock

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 10:02 PM

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especially if i'm moving slower

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so it seems pretty balanced overall

neat cosmos Apr 23, 2017, 10:02 PM

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still under tweaking

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forums indiacte otherwise

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 10:03 PM

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Efficiently being because fewer flares expended to break/defeat a lock?

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 10:03 PM

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and newly they can be efficienty at breaking a lock
yeah i noticed, was cool

neat cosmos Apr 23, 2017, 10:03 PM

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previously breaking lock wasn't possible on vanilla weapons

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 10:03 PM

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forums indiacte otherwise
really? 😄

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 10:03 PM

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Whereas now CM can itself defeat a lock in progress, not just a launch?

neat cosmos Apr 23, 2017, 10:04 PM

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yup

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so single mode and preemptive dumps make sense

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 10:04 PM

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Thought I wasn't having luck with getting lock-ons against an AI Neophron I was tailing... didn't think it was because the Neophron was dropping flares before I could launch...

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 10:05 PM

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i mean if i'm in a fast moving jet then yes, flares are pretty effective at dodging missiles - but in a slower jet or a stationary helicopter, it doesn't help much - which sounds intuitive to me

neat cosmos Apr 23, 2017, 10:05 PM

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generally it should be easier to break a lock than spoof a flying missile

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 10:05 PM

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is that true of radar locks as well, or just IR?

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(i'm assuming both since you're not differentiating CMs afaik)

neat cosmos Apr 23, 2017, 10:06 PM

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any

re showcases and campaign - these go through testing allways before a Stable release

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 10:06 PM

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i mean if i'm in a fast moving jet then yes, flares are pretty effective at dodging missiles - but in a slower jet or a stationary helicopter, it doesn't help much - which sounds intuitive to me If that's true then WTF have I been shooting at all that Neophrons/Orcas that keep spoofing me...

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 10:06 PM

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^^oh cool

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idk 😄

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 10:07 PM

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@neat cosmos Humiliation is one's Black Wasp II getting shanked in a sub-1 km knife fight by a Neophron's heater...

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 10:07 PM

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it might be more to do with AI's perfect timing

neat cosmos Apr 23, 2017, 10:07 PM

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as devs we play them now and then too. Sensors on all weapons have only been a recent thing, so some things may be borken. Let me know pls if you find something

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AI perfect timing is also gone for couple of updates.

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 10:08 PM

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hmm then i don't know. i've admittedly spent more time being shot at than shooting

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 10:09 PM

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generally it should be easier to break a lock than spoof a flying missile Anecdotally speaking when playing Showcase: Fixed-Wings I had the Orca flaring after launch, not before...

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 10:09 PM

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i don't think AI can detect lock

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especially IR lock

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(will it be possible to be alerted of a radar lock?)

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 10:10 PM

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@light lintel You'd think that but the Neophron kept breaking my Black Wasp II's AMRAAM locks at ~7 km - 8 km til stupendously close...

neat cosmos Apr 23, 2017, 10:10 PM

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AI CM dumps are triggered by two events - locking and missile launch - separately

Re radar lock warning - get locked by Zephyr.

sry for typos and rushed answers

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gtg, good night

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 10:10 PM

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no prob

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Although, @neat cosmos, you should be aware that right now in Showcase: Fixed-Wings the Wipeout's MAWS being launch-only (that is to say, not warn-on-IR lock as well) means the feeling of the Wipeout being randomly fired on by MANPADS 😛

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 10:10 PM

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yeah, good night oukej 😄

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but you're warned of the missile, chortles?

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 10:11 PM

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@light lintel Re radar lock warning - get locked by Zephyr. I'll have to set up a test of this (nose-towards-tail Buzzard-on-Neophron chase @ ~8 km)...

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And yeah I get the incoming missile tone and symbology, but no warning on lock... if that's intentional behavior though... 😛

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 10:12 PM

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why would you be warned of an IR missile lock?

neat cosmos Apr 23, 2017, 10:12 PM

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one more thing re humiliation - ultimately it's getting killed mid-air by an LGB 😉

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 10:13 PM

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I did collide with the Neophron once... O=)

neat cosmos Apr 23, 2017, 10:13 PM

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Lock warning - sorting it out. Init. idea is to have it for RDR only.

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 10:13 PM

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sounds good to me

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 10:14 PM

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Lock warning - sorting it out. Init. idea is to have it for RDR only. That actually makes a lot of sense considering that it's the only active sensor

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 10:14 PM

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(BTW oukej HARM pls 😛 )
(although i suppose you've seen my earlier messages...)

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I did collide with the Neophron once...
i collided with the shirka at 15km altitude 😄

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 10:15 PM

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@neat cosmos This isn't a complaint about the gameplay mechanic decision but rather an anecdote about how the lack of lock warning changes a mission's "feel"... I'm okay with warning-only-on-active-radar-lock, I'm just hoping to see the mission design account for this!

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 10:16 PM

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you mean stuff in the briefing etc?

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 10:17 PM

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@light lintel Perhaps... the briefing flavor text claims that heavy losses were taken in bringing down opposing-force SPAAGs previously so that the primary threat is MANPADS and MG/autocannon fire

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 10:17 PM

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Ah, i see.

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haven't actually read it ever 😛 I just look at the tasks

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would that not be enough, usually?

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i'm just wondering, because my brain went "oh are those manpads? let me keep dumping flares till they run out"

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i think i did get hit once, though

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following which i limped back to base to repair

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 10:20 PM

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Well I gotta get used to periodic single-flare dumps

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 10:21 PM

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😄

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i guess

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i know it's more DCS than Arma but i think that's a positive in this case haha

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 10:22 PM

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Yeeep... if we can't approach DCS in flight model we'll just have to get closer by other means 😄

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 10:23 PM

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😂

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 10:23 PM

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Hell one of the "fun" aspects of the new way to play in the Wipeout/Neophron is remembering to pitch down when banking so that I can orient my TGP towards whatever I was turning to engage

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 10:41 PM

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Heh, it feels out that the Buzzard (AA) isn't that much better off against the Neophron than before, even if the Buzzard (AA) can start throwing shots from further out thanks to the Zephyr... although at least it and the Wipeout get the ASRAAM/Falchion-22/Zephyr options plus the Black Wasp & Gryphon's BIM-9X/AMRAAM(-C for Gryphon/-D for Black Wasp II) while the Neophron/Kajman/Xi'an are still limited to the Sahr-3, leaving the Shikra's R-77 the sole OPFOR MRAAM with its R-73 the other OPFOR SRAAM...

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 11:00 PM

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@light lintel I was thinking maybe additional Crossroads dialogue describing the continued MANPADS threat and the importance of single-dumping for self-protection

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After all, Showcase: Fixed-Wings has a seemingly new hint window for the Sensor Overhaul: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=912120691

light lintel Apr 24, 2017, 6:11 AM

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@crisp wyvern yeah that could work

sick goblet Apr 24, 2017, 5:07 PM

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There is a 4.5 GB update on dev bracnh anyone know what it is?

tame rover Apr 24, 2017, 5:09 PM

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until they publish the changelog, no

severe nimbus Apr 24, 2017, 5:09 PM

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https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/140837-development-branch-changelog/?page=41

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give the iceman a minute

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nice, a fix for the titan launchers ... will try that out ...

light lintel Apr 24, 2017, 5:13 PM

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Tweaked: The xH-9 family of helicopters no longer has sensor display or threat detection nice

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sensible decision imo

severe nimbus Apr 24, 2017, 5:24 PM

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nice how the titan works right now in Dev ... almost no wobble and the uber sway is gone

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AT that is

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now guiding it into a target doesn't require you to dropp yll your gear

severe nimbus Apr 24, 2017, 5:50 PM

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is it me or are tanks not locking on any more?

light lintel Apr 24, 2017, 7:20 PM

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check if it's distance related, and if their engine is on

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since it may depend on a heat signature

inner pagoda Apr 24, 2017, 10:27 PM

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Played around with the new HMD for the Blackfish.

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It's neat, if not slightly busy.

whole cairn Apr 25, 2017, 12:15 PM

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Yea the Blackfish HMD is intense, but it shows all the necessary info for flying a VTOL that big haha

charred rampart Apr 25, 2017, 12:59 PM

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can anyone explain how you lock / fire with DAGR on dev branch? Can't seem to get it to lock, but probs doing something wrong

light lintel Apr 25, 2017, 1:34 PM

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No, I couldn't

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It's probably not locking because the Orca's camera (and thus sensor) is pointing at the ground, and can't be moved

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Or at least, that's my theory

storm pewter Apr 25, 2017, 2:45 PM

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when the Dev Branch update is 11gb 😱

light lintel Apr 25, 2017, 2:54 PM

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Yeah I switched back to profiling branch yesterday to avoid daily updates 😄

severe nimbus Apr 25, 2017, 4:38 PM

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well we are going towards release in bigg steps now ... april ia almost over ...

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so big updates are to be expected ...

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the issue with the orca seems to be a thing

light lintel Apr 25, 2017, 5:18 PM

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I couldn't make tickets that I wanted to before Monday, unfortunately. Good to see Brain/Foxhound's reports were addressed

crisp wyvern Apr 25, 2017, 7:15 PM

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@light lintel It's probably not locking because the Orca's camera (and thus sensor) is pointing at the ground, and can't be moved I can check this later

light lintel Apr 25, 2017, 7:16 PM

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okay. i'll have time on thursday to make tickets

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i also have complaints about the holdaction catapult thing

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it's way to easy to accidentally release the catapult resulting in an explosion

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the landing gear of the new planes auto-retracts upon takeoff, too

winter sonnet Apr 26, 2017, 9:28 AM

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okay i have the devbuidl for arma 3 dlc bundle 2 how do i access the vehicles?

candid dew Apr 26, 2017, 10:04 AM

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@winter sonnet Open the editor and place the vehicles on the map. Then preview the mission.

sick goblet Apr 26, 2017, 12:49 PM

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Dose any1 know how this works ?. Added: Experimental addition of tides to vanilla terrains (totally unrelated to https://twitter.com/maruksp/status/856469643569094656)

autumn sage Apr 26, 2017, 2:18 PM

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well, probably depends on the moon 😉

scenic gyro Apr 26, 2017, 2:47 PM

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@sick goblet Same way it did in previous Arma games

sick goblet Apr 26, 2017, 2:51 PM

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@scenic gyro K

scenic gyro Apr 26, 2017, 2:51 PM

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I guess that's not very useful if you aren't familiar with the previous titles ...

inner pagoda Apr 26, 2017, 3:38 PM

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Or how tidal forces work in general.

scenic gyro Apr 27, 2017, 8:38 AM

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😄

tame rover Apr 27, 2017, 7:44 PM

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Sonic booms got added today?

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Also seems if you pan the camera ahead of the jet in 3rd person when it's at Mach, you can't hear things like the engines behind you because of speed of sound simulation.

light lintel Apr 27, 2017, 8:05 PM

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you know, back on the weekend i was trying out stuff, and the noise lagged behind the jets even when under mach 1

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or well, i'm not sure they were under mach

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the camera thing is interesting though

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Tweaked: Pilots are now warned about being targeted by cannons with target lead prediction

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sweet!

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@neat cosmos is this radar lock only?

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Tweaked: Target lead pipper has been removed from CAS jets
Against ground targets too?

tame rover Apr 27, 2017, 8:13 PM

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They just have CCIP now

light lintel Apr 27, 2017, 8:13 PM

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😐

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weren't both things the same?

scenic gyro Apr 27, 2017, 8:16 PM

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target lead prediction uses radar or something?

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semi-serious question, does the sonic boom shatter windows in buildings?

tame rover Apr 27, 2017, 8:22 PM

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lead indicator is this: http://i.imgur.com/X7MTvvD.gif

light lintel Apr 27, 2017, 8:22 PM

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next you'll ask whether it spills coffee 😛

tame rover Apr 27, 2017, 8:22 PM

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requires a lock

light lintel Apr 27, 2017, 8:22 PM

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ahhh

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CCIP is the thing that simply predicts where the rounds will land

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cool

tame rover Apr 27, 2017, 8:22 PM

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yep

scenic gyro Apr 27, 2017, 8:24 PM

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ah, so only works with radar enabled, ok makes sense now that it would trigger a warning

light lintel Apr 27, 2017, 8:25 PM

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no but is that confirmed that it's only related to radar?

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and on that note, does a AMRAAM lock trigger a warning as well?

scenic gyro Apr 27, 2017, 8:42 PM

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not confirmed I don't think, but if it requires a lock and triggers a warning in the target aircraft, then logically it must use radar. I'll wait for @neat cosmos to confirm

light lintel Apr 27, 2017, 9:38 PM

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yeah, it's just the wording isn't "radar lock generates warning", it was "targeted by cannons with target lead prediction", which is really specific

neat cosmos Apr 27, 2017, 11:22 PM

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Unfortunately that has been just a test and will (at least for now) be removed again.

light lintel Apr 27, 2017, 11:28 PM

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roger

dreamy gate Apr 28, 2017, 7:18 PM

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Anyone here using the Dev Branch using the GameUpdate via the BI Tools? If so could he / she may tell what I exactly need to do? I tried that now two times (read the BIKI also) but it always fails at the last 2GB of dl. And is there a way to tell the Updater just to download the Dev branch files instead of complete ArmA 3 ?

bleak canopy Apr 28, 2017, 8:50 PM

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When it stalls out just run it again. It will pick up where it left off and continue.

void magnet Apr 28, 2017, 9:51 PM

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what gives with the throttle in the To-201?

dreamy gate Apr 28, 2017, 10:00 PM

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@bleak canopy No thats bullshit. Even when I let the default folder it still does not check the files inside it it just creates a steamApps folder inside it which is bullshit. I don't wanna download 15GB again if the actual main branch to dev branch thingy is just about 900mb...

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it should work but it does not on my side

bleak canopy Apr 28, 2017, 10:42 PM

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I have it pointing to D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Arma 3 [development]

dreamy gate Apr 28, 2017, 11:59 PM

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@bleak canopy yeah and does your GameUpdater create a steamApps folder inside your ArmA 3 [development] folder there?

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I mean I copied the whole ArmA 3 main dir into it in the hope that the GU will just download the ~900MB Dev Update patch

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but it stops at 8GB and then downloads the mission 18GB from steam which is not the way I like it

dreamy gate Apr 29, 2017, 2:39 PM

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hmm worked now

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Is there a image that shows how the SAM / AAA should be placed on the carrier? #realism

tame rover Apr 29, 2017, 2:45 PM

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Don't think so. Maybe spend some time walking around the deck in the showcase mission and see where everything is

dreamy gate Apr 29, 2017, 2:48 PM

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hmm yeah would be an Idea

late harbor Apr 29, 2017, 2:49 PM

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@dreamy gate https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/66upoa/i_made_a_guide_to_where_to_place_the_defensive/

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idk if its correct tho

dreamy gate Apr 29, 2017, 2:53 PM

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well its occupied from the actual Ford class so its kindOf correct

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thanks for that

late harbor Apr 29, 2017, 2:54 PM

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np

tame rover Apr 29, 2017, 3:14 PM

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Freedom's configuration in the showcase is Starboard side: Praetorian and Centurion in the fore position (same configuration as the pic above), Centurion aft. Port side: Spartan fore (same configuration as the pic above), Praetorian aft, but nothing in the midship position. And there's another Spartan in the lower level of the aft

dreamy gate Apr 29, 2017, 3:19 PM

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I will load the showcase too or do you mind sharing a picture? 😄

tame rover Apr 29, 2017, 3:20 PM

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I only snapped a picture from the briefing, which only shows the starboard side of the ship. Had to fly around the ship a bit to see what was on the port side and lower aft

dreamy gate Apr 29, 2017, 3:21 PM

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fair enough 😄

dreamy gate Apr 29, 2017, 9:56 PM

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modern carrier and planes but no carrier pushback from bis hmmmmmm gg

crisp wyvern Apr 29, 2017, 10:00 PM

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Regardinbg what exactly @dreamy gate?

dreamy gate Apr 29, 2017, 10:22 PM

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@crisp wyvern If you miss the ramp you need to u-turn. If your plane is on a good parking position you sometines just can't start the engines and make a left / right turn and then require a carrier pushback to do it for you

crisp wyvern Apr 29, 2017, 10:23 PM

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Well fwiw more than one person has said that the nose wheel needs more range of motion and thus a tighter turn radius for such repositioning, might that solve the problem?

dreamy gate Apr 29, 2017, 10:31 PM

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would also but I mean why would the navy retire the pushbacks? You could also take the argument that helicopters shouln't start their main-rotor under deck 😄

light lintel Apr 29, 2017, 11:55 PM

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personally felt that the range of motion was fine, just that

throttle was too sensitive
plane accelerates a lot in the forward direction but very slowly in turns unless the throttle is high (which obviously means it'll shoot forward once the turning stops)
catapult #2 seems a bit buggy, and is often easy to miss the prompt. Catapult #1's prompt appears even when the plane is perpendicular to the catapult, by contrast.

This is of course as of last week.

verbal ginkgo Apr 30, 2017, 12:23 AM

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As it is now the AI seems to be completely incapable of landing the CSAT VTOL. I would if they were just as good at landing as with helicopters

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Oh man, even I can't land the damn thing, if I try to land in VTOL mode the CSAT's VTOL simply pitches forward and plows into the ground

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Funny thing, I experimented a bit and gave the VTOL helicopter simulation, I must say it feels much better that way. It would be nice if VTOL mode handling was similar to that. Maybe at least the AI was able to properly use it to land in places

light lintel Apr 30, 2017, 1:13 AM

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I usually feel that the CSAT VTOL handles like a bus, but I somehow managed to land it very well today 😄

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it does tend to pitch forward and roll though

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i try to land it like a helicopter

verbal ginkgo Apr 30, 2017, 1:30 AM

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Me too, I just fail horribly. It somehow stalls in VTOL mode and that is it just pitches forward and plows into the dirt

light lintel Apr 30, 2017, 10:16 AM

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😄

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yeah it's happened before

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it almost feels like the rotors can't counter the jet thrust...

verbal ginkgo Apr 30, 2017, 12:46 PM

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but I'm in full VTOL mode, with jets pointing at 90deg toward the ground. How in the worlds name is it possible to STALL when doing that?!

verbal ginkgo Apr 30, 2017, 1:09 PM

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Also the Automatic thrust vectoring doesn't seem to work at all

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oh man, if you order AI to land with a VTOL they will use the landing autopilot and try to land on an airstrip. Why are the VTOLs so useless now?

crisp wyvern Apr 30, 2017, 1:27 PM

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https://dev.arma3.com/assets/img/post/images/thumbs/oprep_sensor_overhaul_TitleFix.jpg https://dev.arma3.com/assets/img/post/images/oprep_sensor_overhaul_DesignFix_1.jpg https://dev.arma3.com/assets/img/post/images/oprep_sensor_overhaul_DesignFix_2.jpg https://dev.arma3.com/assets/img/post/images/oprep_sensor_overhaul_DesignFix_3.jpg

light lintel Apr 30, 2017, 3:45 PM

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💯

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How in the worlds name is it possible to STALL when doing that?!
That's a good point actually 😅

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More advanced vehicles with a Passive radar may even be able to track and guide weapons towards an active radar.
🤞🏾

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Two of the images won't expand:
https://dev.arma3.com/assets/img/post/images/thumbs/oprep_sensor_overhaul_emcon_1.jpg
https://dev.arma3.com/assets/img/post/images/thumbs/oprep_sensor_overhaul_emcon_2.jpg

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return page not found

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nice write up, oukej!

dreamy gate May 1, 2017, 12:59 PM

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I"m the only one who thinks that the Brown Short from BIS is just a darker yellow?

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I mean even the helmets from A2 could be implemented as there are BIS work but nope only CUP provides them :/

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And why does the crew wears pilot coveralls? cmon, get them some jackets

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:>

light lintel May 1, 2017, 1:08 PM

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Brown Short from BIS is just a darker yellow?
do we really want to open that can of worms

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tries and fails to differentiate BI's idea of khaki and olive

dreamy gate May 1, 2017, 1:33 PM

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sorry I like realism

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

light lintel May 1, 2017, 1:38 PM

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well i mean, you can just imagine it's called "dark yellow shorts" in that case 😛

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my point being, their naming of colours is quite inconsistent so...

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although if it's a dev branch only asset then maybe make a ticket about it

inner pagoda May 1, 2017, 4:25 PM

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Don't even get me started on the colors of the deck crew vests...

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The red vest is orange!

dreamy gate May 1, 2017, 5:01 PM

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can someone confirm if the tailhook feature is working?

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it just seems that no matter how I approach it never snitches

tame rover May 1, 2017, 5:37 PM

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mentioned in the changelog that it's not currently working

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    The landing sequence on the USS Freedom lacks hook support

dreamy gate May 1, 2017, 5:58 PM

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lol kk

light lintel May 1, 2017, 10:06 PM

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@verbal ginkgo the VTOL's thrusters don't seem to go 90 degrees, hence stalls

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@scenic gyro there's a new spilling coffee animation apparently...

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@neat cosmos feddback and bug reports:
https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/203820-jets-dlc-official-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=3183550
https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/203820-jets-dlc-official-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=3183559
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T124662
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T124663

verbal ginkgo May 1, 2017, 10:19 PM

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@light lintel well the HUD says they go to 90deg

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also automatic vectoring seems to not work

light lintel May 1, 2017, 10:19 PM

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hmm didn't in my case. heck didn't even go to 90 during takeoff

verbal ginkgo May 1, 2017, 10:51 PM

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as I said automatic vectoring does not work, I had to use the manual mode

dreamy gate May 2, 2017, 7:12 AM

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yey blast deflectors 1 and 2 are not working atm 😄 3 and 4 are doing the job

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https://feedback.bistudio.com/T124670 created an issue for it 😛

dreamy gate May 2, 2017, 3:11 PM

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11:07:18 Error in expression <5*directionX>
11:07:18   Error position: <directionX>
11:07:18   Error Undefined variable in expression: directionx
11:07:18 Error in expression <5*directionY>
11:07:18   Error position: <directionY>
11:07:18   Error Undefined variable in expression: directiony
11:07:18 Error in expression <5*directionZ>
11:07:18   Error position: <directionZ>
11:07:18   Error Undefined variable in expression: directionz
11:07:18 Error during compilation of bin\config.bin/CfgCloudlets/FX_MissileTrail_SAM.moveVelocity
11:07:18 Error during evaluation of expression _moveVelocity in FX_MissileTrail_SAM
11:07:18 Error during evaluation of expression _moveVelocity in FX_MissileTrail_SAM
11:07:18 Error during evaluation of expression _moveVelocity in FX_MissileTrail_SAM
11:07:18 Error during evaluation of expression _moveVelocity in FX_MissileTrail_SAM
11:07:40 Error during evaluation of expression _moveVelocity in FX_MissileTrail_SAM
11:07:40 Error during evaluation of expression _moveVelocity in FX_MissileTrail_SAM
11:07:41 Protocol bin\config.bin/RadioProtocolENG/: Missing word Plane
11:07:42 Protocol bin\config.bin/RadioProtocolENG/: Missing word Plane
11:07:51 Error during evaluation of expression _moveVelocity in FX_MissileTrail_SAM
11:07:51 Error during evaluation of expression _moveVelocity in FX_MissileTrail_SAM
11:07:53 Protocol bin\config.bin/RadioProtocolENG/: Missing word Plane
11:07:54 Protocol bin\config.bin/RadioProtocolENG/: Missing word Plane
=======================================================
-------------------------------------------------------
Exception code: C0000005 ACCESS_VIOLATION at 8000A90E
graphics:  D3D11, Device: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770
resolution:  1920x1080x32 ``` 
hmmm second time my game crashes wit this code

past moon May 2, 2017, 3:16 PM

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@dreamy gate please post just pastebin url instead of logs in the channel (for sake of vertical space scrolling) 😉

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and best just post the URL to the feedback tracker ticket

dreamy gate May 2, 2017, 3:26 PM

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I don't have one open as I'm not sure if this is related to the dev branch but I will do one

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https://gist.github.com/Aebian/5d7120fa636d134086a33179a06a4fda ^^

light lintel May 2, 2017, 5:50 PM

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BTW as of monday the shirka's gunsights don't align with the projectile trajectory

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forgot to make a ticket about it.

light lintel May 2, 2017, 7:50 PM

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ooh, another thing, planes seem to be dumping flares when faced with AAA fire

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which is mostly pointless

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AI doesn't seem to use single mode CMs either

digital vessel May 2, 2017, 9:16 PM

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Heads up that a lot of addons (ACE, ACRE, MCC) will use a CfgWeapon config like this to add items to the game:

        type = 4096;
        simulation = "ItemMineDetector";

On the RC the items are now triggering the mine detector feature http://i.imgur.com/uMldaBU.jpg

hard cipher May 2, 2017, 10:49 PM

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and that simulation is used so items actually appear properly in Virtual Arsenal (or something like that), so there is no good workaround that we know of

raven plank May 3, 2017, 3:46 PM

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Does anybody know if the new sensor displays will be available to use for players who don't own the Jets DLC, for example via the vanilla GPS or other similar add-ons?
Thanks.

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Or to put that differently, does the vanilla GPS on Dev branch use a sensor display style ui if you don't own Jets DLC?

light lintel May 3, 2017, 4:01 PM

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@raven plank yes. Sesnor update is a platform update, DLC itself is just content. So everone gets sensors/jet hit points/dynamic loadouts

raven plank May 3, 2017, 4:02 PM

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Thank you for the help.

light lintel May 3, 2017, 4:02 PM

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cheers

verbal ginkgo May 3, 2017, 4:37 PM

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@PabstMirror#4052 You know, it would incredibly cool if you could enable the sensors feature as a soldier to get a man radar. Just so modders could do stuff with it

crisp wyvern May 3, 2017, 4:51 PM

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@raven plank There's a devblog called OPREP: Sensor Overhaul which goes into detail

raven plank May 3, 2017, 4:54 PM

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Thanks, I'm mainly interested in whether it will replace the infantry GPS interface.

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I will have a look see.

severe nimbus May 3, 2017, 5:02 PM

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almost certain it does but not a 100%

dreamy gate May 3, 2017, 6:08 PM

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does someone can confirm if the Tailhook has a collision box? I think it has as I just landed a bit offset then normal and got instant blown up for no reason...

light lintel May 3, 2017, 8:52 PM

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@verbal ginkgo that sounds like Halo

verbal ginkgo May 3, 2017, 10:43 PM

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@light lintel I see it more like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yNOT6lWedA

light lintel May 3, 2017, 10:51 PM

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i mean i don't mind if it's available for modders, and well, it already is

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see UAV sensors

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but i would absolutely hate it if it became a default vanilla thing

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The minesweeper radar thing is irritating as it is

inner pagoda May 4, 2017, 4:16 AM

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The Shikra has both engines labeled as "ENG 1" on its instrumentation.

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http://i.imgur.com/PdUZkiR.png

dreamy gate May 4, 2017, 7:29 AM

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@timber sorrel well catapult launch deflectors 1 and 2 are still not working but hey we finally got a arresting system for the tailhook and the tailhook action works without script errors now 😄 Besides that I only came across this issues so far https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/203820-jets-dlc-official-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=3184423 so from an overall aspect I like it

verbal ginkgo May 4, 2017, 1:22 PM

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@light lintel Of course not in vanilla, but leaving door open for modders would be great

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@timber sorrel The Xian VTOL is hilariously broken. You can stall when in VTOL mode (somehow) and AI is completely incapable of using it in a any logical fashion: if ordered to land they engage landing autopilot, try to land on a nearest airstrip and crash when trying to do that

light lintel May 4, 2017, 1:26 PM

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i stalled even in the BLUFOR vtol

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but i assume that they'll fix it for the VTOL showcase

scenic gyro May 5, 2017, 12:06 PM

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there's a VTOL showcase?

storm pewter May 5, 2017, 12:08 PM

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they said there would be one, not seen it though

past moon May 5, 2017, 3:19 PM

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Arma 3 update 1.70 RC #02 (1.70.141575) released today, fixing some crashes

dreamy gate May 5, 2017, 8:31 PM

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anyone came across that wrecks are still present in 3DEN after destruction in the mission? Just playing around with my Tanoa Carrier test mission and I had wrecks still present in 3DEN after returning

light lintel May 5, 2017, 8:59 PM

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what do you mean still present?

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After restarting the mission or what?

dreamy gate May 5, 2017, 9:08 PM

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no just after returning back to 3DEN

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I mean the plane just got destroyed and the wreck is there. After pressing ESC and returning to 3DEN the wreck is below the placed jet still visible

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even the lightsource from the fire of the explosion is still there lol

light lintel May 5, 2017, 11:21 PM

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hmmm. have seen similar things from time to time. probably caching at work. definitely something they should look into.

light lintel May 9, 2017, 10:30 PM

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Fixed: Added back special variants of Buzzard and Greyhawk / Ababil for Zeus

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?

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wot's this

tame rover May 9, 2017, 10:35 PM

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probably just made the old loadout variants of those aicraft (now hidden in Editor with scope =1;), accessible again through zeus with scopeCurator = 2;

light lintel May 9, 2017, 10:39 PM

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Ah, i see.

crisp wyvern May 10, 2017, 4:14 AM

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Because loadout editing isn't in Zeus I guess?

rustic plaza May 10, 2017, 6:17 AM

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not yet and probably it will be not available for 1.70

charred rampart May 10, 2017, 6:18 AM

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Anyone on 1.71.x dev branch and having problems with file patching not reloading local/unpacked data (rvmat in my case)? It reloads from local on a3 restart, but not when tabbing back in, nor mission restart

crisp wyvern May 10, 2017, 6:23 AM

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thanks reyhard, any chance that the old loadout variants will go 'back' away again once that's implemented?

rustic plaza May 10, 2017, 8:51 AM

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@crisp wyvern sure, that's the plan

crisp wyvern May 10, 2017, 2:06 PM

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So they're just in as a makeshift thing until dynamic vehicle loadouts comes to Zeus @rustic plaza? Wunderbar

blazing sorrel May 10, 2017, 2:23 PM

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New vtol 4 flight model. Anyone know how it behaves?

full sonnet May 10, 2017, 2:36 PM

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Anyone know if that Can't open dropdown menus bug is fixed in dev branch?

light lintel May 10, 2017, 2:43 PM

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@full sonnet Fixed: Drop-down menus in Eden Editor attributes didn't work in some cases

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March 22nd

autumn sage May 10, 2017, 8:28 PM

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an anecdotal confirmed

severe nimbus May 11, 2017, 7:33 PM

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are the Vtols still not workin?

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or is there some new trick to flying them?

crisp wyvern May 11, 2017, 11:40 PM

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@severe nimbus As mentioned by Night515 there's a new vtol value for them on dev

severe nimbus May 12, 2017, 5:21 AM

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I know, I tried it out. It behaves very different from what I was used from stable. Thats why I asked if there is a new trick to flying them now. Because hovering doesn't seem to work any more.

crisp wyvern May 12, 2017, 6:08 AM

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Oh yeah definitely

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For vertical landings apparently the way to go on dev is to turn auto-vectoring off and use flaps up/flaps down to adjust the angle of the nozzles

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Also, from Imperator-TFD: I also find the key in the transition from forward flight to vertical is to watch for the nose down that occurs at roughly 180 and catch it with a tiny bit of throttle to stop the descent. If you leave it too long your vertical speed overrides its ability to catch up.
-MK84-: `Everyone got used to the auto-throttle mechanic, I believe that's the issue. Previously you just hit the auto-hover/vector key to switch between modes and your throttle is automatically adjusted for you.

With the platform update, now you have to constantly adjust the throttle to maintain steady VTOL flight and transition.`

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There's also now an additional Showcase: VTOLs scenario for Apex where you can try this out in the Xi'an

severe nimbus May 12, 2017, 4:24 PM

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so basically forced AFM for everyone without being able to switch 😅

crisp wyvern May 12, 2017, 4:34 PM

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Ehhhh not quite?

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Basically if you turn auto-vectoring off the flaps up/flaps down keys will turn the nozzles/rotors from 0-90° in 15° increments with the angle being displayed on the HMD

light lintel May 12, 2017, 4:46 PM

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(i hope they rename the actions to rotors up/down instead of flaps)

severe nimbus May 12, 2017, 4:47 PM

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uhm i thought they had both

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pretty shure the blakfish had flaps

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so now you got to regulate 3 things at once flaps rotor angle and engine speed

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well guess what I am not going to use in any missions again ever ... right, VTOLs

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I felt they were fine the way they worked before ... dunno why people always feel the need to change things 🤷

severe nimbus May 12, 2017, 5:10 PM

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an Option to turn it of and have the old flight model for the VTOLs would be great

crisp wyvern May 12, 2017, 9:42 PM

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@light lintel Unfortunately when auto-vectoring is enabled those same two keybinds do control the flaps

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I felt they were fine the way they worked before ... presumably someone else didn't

light lintel May 12, 2017, 10:01 PM

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well...that's confusing

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and yeah, perhaps keeping the old way for VTOLs would have been good

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but i guess they thought it'd be inconsistent with the other planes...

sick goblet May 13, 2017, 1:17 PM

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@timber sorrel https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/140837-development-branch-changelog/?page=42

crisp wyvern May 13, 2017, 1:45 PM

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Dontcha mean https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/183855-release-candidate-branch-announcements/?do=findComment&comment=3183903 ?

sick goblet May 13, 2017, 3:18 PM

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Oh sorry

crisp wyvern May 13, 2017, 9:04 PM

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@light lintel Hey, fun story... on dev branch the Wipeout now has an AntiRadiationSensorComponent 😄

light lintel May 13, 2017, 9:05 PM

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@crisp wyvern ah yes, i saw some mention to it being tweaked, didn't know what it was refering to 😃

crisp wyvern May 13, 2017, 9:05 PM

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That's in addition to the PassiveRadiationSensorComponent, which seems to remain the same as it has been since allowsMarking=0; was implemented, whereas the AntiRadiationSensor has half the range (8 km vs. 16 km) and a 90 degrees horizontal/vertical cone in return for allowsMarking=1;

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Both have aimDown=0; and animDirection=""; so they directly originate from the Wipeout's long axis/nose

light lintel May 13, 2017, 9:10 PM

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Ah, interesting. Was wondering why it was needed in addition

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Wipeout is a strange candidate for SEAD though 🤔

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More a F/A-18 thing than a A-10

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Maybe it's just a prototype. And after all, dynamic loadout

crisp wyvern May 13, 2017, 9:12 PM

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Well it doesn't have the missiles yet; for now the Wipeout 'merely' gained the ability to mark active radar emitters in front of itself

light lintel May 13, 2017, 9:14 PM

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hmm. let's see how it develops. but probably a 1.72 thing now, i guess

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Tweaked Angles of the sensor an anti-radiation sensor of the CAS planes were increased

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sounds like all CAS planes get this?

crisp wyvern May 13, 2017, 9:15 PM

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Oh that'd be interesting

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Speaking of which, the Wipeout IR/visual sensors got tweaked -- notably, class GroundTarget for both has the same ol' limitation-by-view-distance (4 km IR/3 km visual) but for *class AirTarget the maxRange is 5 km IR/4 km visual and they both have objectDistanceLimitCoef=-1; (although still viewDistanceLimitCoef=1;)

light lintel May 13, 2017, 9:19 PM

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i.e. not limited by object view distance?

crisp wyvern May 13, 2017, 9:20 PM

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For both air and ground silhouetted targets both sensors have as groundNoiseDistanceCoef=-1; and maxGroundNoiseDistance=-1;... typeRecognitionDistance=2000; and their cone is now 50 degrees horizontal by 37 degrees vertical, still emanating from the TGP (animDirection="PilotCamera_V"; w/ aimDown=0;)

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@light lintel i.e. not limited by object view distance?

{                                            
        minRange = 500;         // -1 if undef; in meters 
        maxRange = 5000;       // -1 if undef; in meter                                                        
        viewDistanceLimitCoef = 1;      // -1 if undef; coefficient, multiplies current view distance as set in player's options. -1 means view distance is not used to limit sensor range.
        objectDistanceLimitCoef = 1;    // -1 if undef; coefficient, multiplies current object view distance as set in player's options. -1 means object view distance is not used to limit sensor range. 
};```

light lintel May 13, 2017, 9:24 PM

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nice

crisp wyvern May 13, 2017, 9:24 PM

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As per the BIKI: The actual sensor's range is the smallest of [maxRange, resulting objectViewDistanceLimit, resulting viewDistanceLimit] but never lower than minRange

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In the above example "the sensor will be able to detect targets that are within the object view distance as terrain view distance will always be bigger. However if the obj. view distance is set above 5km the sensor won't be able to detect anything above 5km. If it's conversely set below 500m, the sensor will still be able to detect targets at 500m even if they are not visible."

light lintel May 13, 2017, 9:25 PM

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i see

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BTW re: SEAD, my hope was:
Shirka, Black Wasp, (Optional: Kajman, Super Optional: Blackfoot)

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i.e. rest don't get it

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that would feel most "authentic" to me

crisp wyvern May 13, 2017, 9:43 PM

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Bring it up somewhere on the forums then

light lintel May 13, 2017, 9:48 PM

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i have 😄

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actually, upon verification, it seems only the Shirka and Black Wasp should get it among planes

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I know the Ka-52 can, so maybe the gunships could get it too

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Althought that would leave the CAS planes without the capability...

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maybe the Neophron and Gryphon could, they probably have the closest capabilities IRL

crisp wyvern May 13, 2017, 10:02 PM

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Note that the NVSensorComponent is also 90-by-90/good out to 8 km while the laser sensor is a 180-by-180 thing good out to 6 km... oh, and the Wipeout's IR/visual sensors both have maxTrackableSpeed=100; (in km/h)

light lintel May 13, 2017, 10:10 PM

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maybe should be a bit higher given smaller vehicles can top that

crisp wyvern May 13, 2017, 10:10 PM

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In notable contrast the Black Wasp II does not yet have an AntiRadiationSensorComponent, instead having active radar (45-by-45 cone good out to 15 km vs. air/8 km vs. ground, typeRecognitionDistance=8000; and not optimized for air-to-ground), its laser/NV sensors have the same stats as the Wipeout's... but notably its IR sensor is a 360 degrees horizontal thing (90 degrees vertical, so 45 degrees above the nose to 45 degrees below) w/ maxTrackableSpeed=400; and typeRecognitionDistance=2000; and worse range: 2.5 km vs. air (objectViewDistanceLimitCoef=-1;) and 2 km vs. ground (objectViewDistanceLimitCoef=1;)... the visual sensor has 4 km vs. air (objectViewDistanceLimitCoef=-1;) and 3 km vs. ground (objectViewDistanceLimitCoef=1;) and only maxTrackableSpeed=100; but it's pointed 1 degree below its animDirection="MainGun"; aka 'aligned with the TGP' but with a narrow 26-by-20 cone.

light lintel May 13, 2017, 10:10 PM

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(to be honest i wish tanks could go that fast)

crisp wyvern May 13, 2017, 10:11 PM

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To which I say "well that's some ways to nerf the Black Wasp II for air-to-ground"

light lintel May 13, 2017, 10:12 PM

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which calls in to the question it being a mix of the Super Hornet and F-22 🤔

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although of course, jack of all trades could be a tradeoff

crisp wyvern May 13, 2017, 10:15 PM

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Or game balancing it out... the active radar has better range/angle coverage than the visual sensor

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Oh, and fwiw the Falchion-22's IR sensor has range 5 km vs. air/4 km vs. ground and a 30-by-30 cone w/ maxTrackableSpeed=1e+010; and for lock properties there's missileKeepLockedCone=45;/missileLockMaxDistance=4500;/missileLockMaxSpeed=445; (min distance 150 m and missileLockCone=30; which matches the IR sensor)...

In contrast the Sahr-3's IR sensor has range 6 km vs. air and a 45-by-45 cone but maxTrackableSpeed=700; and while doing 20% less direct damage than the Falchion-22 and slightly less splash damage/radius, it's got a higher maneuvrability value (30 vs. 27), a whopping missileKeepLockedCone=120; and missileLockMaxDistance=5000; (the missileLockCone and missileLockMaxSpeed values match the corresponding sensor values)

crisp wyvern May 13, 2017, 10:43 PM

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If you're wondering the ASRAAM (both Blackfoot and Buzzard) has an IR sensor with a whopping 120-degrees-horizontal/90-degrees-vertical cone out to 6 km vs. air (objectViewDistanceLimitCoef=-1;)/5 km vs. ground, it's the lightest-hitting of the CAS jets' heat-seekers (40% less direct damage than the Falchion-22 and less splash damage than that and the Sahr-3) and a roughly-in-between missileLockMaxSpeed value of 600, in return for the highest missileLockMaxDistance of 6000 and in addition to missileKeepLockedCone=120; it has missileLockCone=90; which gives it by far the best angles for beginning a lock. 😉

light lintel May 13, 2017, 10:44 PM

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certainly welcome 😛

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BTW, can the blackfoot's AGMs lock radar targets?

crisp wyvern May 13, 2017, 10:50 PM

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The Blackfoot currently only allows for ASRAAMs, DARs, DAGRs, and Skalpels, with both DAGRs and Skalpels being IR/laser-guided, so you'd have to lase/pick up a laser spot on a stationary/not-warmed-up active radar emitter.

light lintel May 13, 2017, 11:06 PM

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interesting

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looks like some hellfire variants can be radar guided

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might be an interesting dynamic

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give mi-48 ARM and give blackfoot radar guided DAGRs

crisp wyvern May 13, 2017, 11:09 PM

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Well keep in mind that the DAGRs seem to represent a APKWS-style weapon augmented w/ an infrared seeker

light lintel May 13, 2017, 11:18 PM

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aye, i meant an additional thing, not necessarily call it dagr

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(since IRL commanche could carry hellfires)

crisp wyvern May 13, 2017, 11:23 PM

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Also, dev branch DAGR vs. Scalpel comparison...
DAGR: cmImmunity=0.3, fuseDistance=50, hit=600, indirectHit=50, indirectHitRange=4, initTime=0.002, maneuvrability=8, maxControlRange=5000, maxSpeed=720, missileKeepLockedCone=60, missileLockCone=30, missileLockMaxDistance=5000, missileLockMaxSpeed=35, missileLockMinDistance=100, thrust=530, thrustTime=1.07, timeToLive=20

Skalpel: cameraViewAvailable=1, cmImmunity=0.45, fuseDistance=500, hit=1400,indirectHit=50, indirectHitRange=6.5, initTime=0, maneuvrability=14, maxControlRange=6000, maxSpeed=600, missileKeepLockedCone=60, missileLockCone=30, missileLockMaxDistance=6000, missileLockMaxSpeed=55, missileLockMinDistance=250, thrust=366, thrustTime=2, timeToLive=19

light lintel May 13, 2017, 11:32 PM

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thrustTime=530, thrustTime=1.07, ?

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same param twice?

crisp wyvern May 13, 2017, 11:32 PM

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As far as their sensors go, both have an IR sensor cone of 45 horizontal-by-35 vertical and laser sensor cone of 90 horizontal-by-70 vertical, with the Scalpel having a greater range (4.5 km vs. air/ground IR, 6 km laser) and maxTrackableSpeed value (55 km/h) than the DAGR (3 km vs. air/ground IR, 5 km laser, maxTrackableSpeed=35 for both IR and laser); thanks for the correction re: thrustTime

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@light lintel The above should give you a comprehensive picture of what the DAGR and Skalpel ATGM respectively bring to the table for their respective aircraft's air-to-ground capability

light lintel May 13, 2017, 11:58 PM

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thanks for the summary!

crisp wyvern May 14, 2017, 12:01 AM

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Note that due to the Blackfoot's internal weapons bays you can only stick a single ASRAAM or Skalpel midboard, while the inboard and outboard stations allow for DAR or DAGR pods as well, i.e. the AT loadout preset goes with single Skalpels inboard, DAGR pods inboard and outboard: two Skalpels and forty-eight DAGRs in all.

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That's the trade-off for it sharing irTargetSize=0.8 and radarTargetSize=0.7; with the Hummingbird/Pawnee and the Ghost Hawk. 😉 It and the Kajman and the Ghost Hawk have visualTargetSize=1 to the Hummingbird/Pawnee's visualTargetSize=0.8.

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In contrast the Kajman's Default preset is as per pre-DVL, its AT preset swaps the Skyfire pods for inboard quad-Skalpel racks for a total of sixteen Skalpels, the Heavy AT preset sticks single Sharur ATGMs from the Neophron onto the inboard pylons... and the CAS preset sticks a Skyfire pod onto each outboard pylon with the inboard pylons instead carrying single LOM-250G laser-guided bombs from the Neophron... but the trade-off for these possibilities is the Kajman's irTargetSize=1.2 and radarTargetSize=1.2.

EDIT: TL;DR is that if an IR or active radar sensor had a default AirTarget (sky background) maxRange of 6 km it might be able to pick up the Kajman @ ~7.2 km instead, whereas that same IR sensor would seemingly not pick up the Blackfoot until ~4.8 km or the active radar sensor @ ~4.5 km

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@light lintel The above is a further explanation of the balance changes that dynamic loadouts and the sensor overhaul have brought to the CSAT/NATO attack helos. 😄 The Hellcat sits roughly in between them stealth-wise with target size (read: sensor range coefficient) values of 1 across the board, both unarmed and armed, but the armed Hellcat particularly benefited from DVL since it's now able to swap the outboard DAR pods for DAGR pods, single ASRAAMs, single/triple/quad-Skalpels, Shrieker pods (HE or AP), or even Twin Cannon 20 mm pods. 😄

light lintel May 14, 2017, 12:30 AM

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ooh that's interesting

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i hope they come up with a table or something that can communicate the target size/detection stuff clearly

crisp wyvern May 14, 2017, 12:35 AM

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I'm just getting all this from the config viewer. 😉 Incidentally the Mohawk and both DLC helicopter families have target size values of 1.2 across the board, even the basic sling-loading-capable Taru without pod, while as mentioned above the Ghost Hawk's 'stealthiness' is reflected in it having the same target size values as the Blackfoot.

light lintel May 14, 2017, 12:38 AM

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yeah, it's just inconvenient

crisp wyvern May 14, 2017, 12:39 AM

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Anyone could in theory create such a table from what I'm reporting here... -.-

light lintel May 14, 2017, 12:39 AM

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yes, which would be nice 😛

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especially the effective detection ranges

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(like 7.2km for the Kajman vs 4.8 for the blackfoot)

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BTW posted stuff regarding SEAD https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/200467-jets-sensor-overhaul-radars-irs-lazors-pgms/?do=findComment&comment=3188161

crisp wyvern May 14, 2017, 12:40 AM

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Well to be fair both numbers assume the IR or active radar sensor's maxRange value of 6 km without other affecting factors (i.e. object view distance and view distance higher than 7.2 km) besides irTargetSize/radarTargetSize

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Oh, and if you're curious: the Pawnee's AT preset swaps the DAR pods for DAGR pods, but each pylon can alternately take a single ASRAAM, a single Skalpel, or a Shrieker pod (HE or AP).

light lintel May 14, 2017, 12:42 AM

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yeah i noticed that when i tried dev out last to last weekend

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that's how i discovered that the orca, pawnee, and hellcat's cameras all face the ground

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because DAGRs and Skalpels are useless without guidance

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and locking wasn't possible in a pawnee

crisp wyvern May 14, 2017, 1:03 AM

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Both do support manual control, mind you

light lintel May 14, 2017, 1:06 AM

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yeah

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but that needs a functioning camera 😄

crisp wyvern May 14, 2017, 1:15 AM

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@light lintel I stand corrected, but I will note that IR guidance does work for the both of them... just confirmed this via taking out a Zamak Ammo via DAGR-or-Scalpel-equipped Pawnee, so those are still viable for hot targets as long as you're good at aiming without a HUD or dot-on-the-canopy 😉

crisp wyvern May 14, 2017, 1:45 AM

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@light lintel ... unexpected development: the dev branch Buzzard has no laser marker

light lintel May 14, 2017, 1:58 AM

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can you lock on to the hunters in the helicopters showcase?

crisp wyvern May 14, 2017, 2:00 AM

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(It seems to be the Hellcat where I'm unable to mark/lock the DAGRs, oddly enough, because the co-pilot's turret still doesn't do diddly, no getting a diamond as the pilot 😦 )

crisp wyvern May 14, 2017, 1:39 PM

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Just ran into this on dev, please let me know if you can corroborate my finding as well: https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/143930-general-discussion-dev-branch/?do=findComment&comment=3188287

tough ermine May 14, 2017, 5:58 PM

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it has been a few days but does anyone know if the carrier model has been fixed, last time i walked down the middle i fell through it ! 😦

blazing sorrel May 15, 2017, 4:16 AM

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I just noticed something and I might've said it here before but...

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Jets seem to render beyond object view distance.

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My object distance is 2000 m but I can see a jet at 3+ km away. Terrain distance is 8000.

scarlet root May 15, 2017, 5:02 AM

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featureType config parameter (or script cmd)

candid dew May 15, 2017, 5:02 AM

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yeah they changed the jets pretty recently

floral arrow May 15, 2017, 7:10 PM

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Hey! Can someone please help me to how to update server to RC with steamCMD?

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tried -beta RC or -beta Arma3Update170RC but seems like neither actually work

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found it on reddit. yay. -beta rc -betapassword Arma3Update170RC

crisp wyvern May 16, 2017, 1:38 AM

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Out of curiosity, I wonder how many of the 12 May 2017 dev build changes are making it into the 1.7 stabe update? They seem pretty hefty with changes to various Jets-related stuff

idle furnace May 16, 2017, 8:15 AM

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Hey! Could someone post the 3 new jets classnames please?

bleak oasis May 16, 2017, 9:01 AM

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You can get 'em from 3DEN @idle furnace

idle furnace May 16, 2017, 9:06 AM

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@bleak oasis I know bud, have to stay on regular build atm as working on something 😃

bleak oasis May 16, 2017, 9:07 AM

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Aah, you could always use A3 Tools and use Game Updater

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That way you could at least get the configs

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I would've listed them, but not at PC atm 😭

idle furnace May 16, 2017, 9:07 AM

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Just need the classnames atm for a mission update, scoured the forums but no one posted them

bleak oasis May 16, 2017, 9:07 AM

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Yes 😦

idle furnace May 16, 2017, 9:09 AM

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Just swapping to RC now to get them

idle furnace May 16, 2017, 9:31 AM

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B_Plane_Fighter_01_F F/A-181 Black Wasp II
B_Plane_Fighter_01_Stealth_F F/A-181 Black Wasp II (Stealth)
O_Plane_Fighter_02_F To-201 Shikra
O_Plane_Fighter_02_Stealth_F To-201 Sikra (Stealth)
I_Plane_Fighter_04_F A-149 Gryphon

lavish basalt May 16, 2017, 2:58 PM

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Will there be a DevBranch update today (dout it, just wanna know/be sure)?

oak dove May 17, 2017, 8:07 PM

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flyInHeightASL still broken for UAVs with loiter type waypoint as well as the loiter altitude parameter of the waypoint in ED3N

unreal cypress May 19, 2017, 2:54 PM

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@summer dune will that RC forum post be updated with what's in the hotfix?

verbal ginkgo May 20, 2017, 6:35 AM

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Suggestion: could we get "Fortify Position" waypoint? It would be simple move waypoint and upon arrival all of the units get the "Take cover" order. I kinda miss that for managing the AI squads

crisp wyvern May 20, 2017, 9:25 PM

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... uhhh, hotdamn looking at some of the 19 May dev branch changes to AA missiles compared to 13 May For example, I spy with my little eye a proximityExplosionDistance parameter in the Zephyr ammo config...

scenic gyro May 22, 2017, 8:46 AM

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proximityExplosionDistance? 😄

crisp wyvern May 22, 2017, 1:47 PM

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Yep, so far I've been seeing values of 10 15 for the DLC SRAAMs/Mk49 Spartan missiles (IR), 15 25 for the DLC MRAAMs/Mk21 Centurion missiles (radar); I recall seeing 15 for the base game's infrared SRAAMs and 20 for the radar-guided Zephyr EDIT: Updated with values from 22 May 2017 dev build

crisp wyvern May 23, 2017, 2:16 PM

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@SuicideKing 23 May dev branch changelog: "Tweaked: It is now possible to mark Datalink targets with remote sensors" There's a pop-up error message because oukej said that this is not configured in data yet, but now the Arma 3 Sensors config reference has a new DataLinkSensorComponent; "in combination with receiveRemoteTargets this allows the vehicle to actively target and track targets from the side's Data Link"

light lintel May 23, 2017, 3:47 PM

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ooh interesting!

scenic gyro May 23, 2017, 3:49 PM

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which is really what you want with datalink, so that's good

crisp wyvern May 23, 2017, 5:01 PM

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Unfortunately I am at work so I will have to wait until tonight to see I'd the error message is because the functionality just doesn't work

crisp wyvern May 23, 2017, 5:40 PM

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Apparently if you set a turret to only have that sensor componentType and receiveRemoteTargets=true; that turret should only be able to engage side's Data Link contacts

crisp wyvern May 24, 2017, 1:01 PM

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As of yesterday's dev build: http://imgur.com/pzN0ABN

scenic gyro May 24, 2017, 3:09 PM

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that'll be good for AA systems with separate radar

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i.e. those that figure that the radar will get targeted by ARM so it's better not to have it as an integral part of the SAM/AA installation and to instead place two or more standalone search radars some distance away

crisp wyvern May 24, 2017, 6:37 PM

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@scenic gyro Today's dev build: SensorTemplateDataLink added, "Tweaked: Spartial targeting symbology", and "Added: A new isVehicleRadarOn script command"; the template inherits from the passive radar template all except for componentType="DataLinkSensorComponent", allowsMarking=1, and color[]={1,1,1,0}; the second and third of these being shared with the laser and NV sensor templates

scenic gyro May 24, 2017, 7:56 PM

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all good stuff, hope it inspires some new mods etc

crisp wyvern May 25, 2017, 9:26 AM

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@scenic gyro @light lintel https://youtu.be/R5z0k_DJzB8

light lintel May 25, 2017, 9:59 AM

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@crisp wyvern so Titans can now exceed their IR lock range?! That looks like 8km, right?

scenic gyro May 25, 2017, 10:00 AM

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He says in the video description that he's using custom missiles, so probably not

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"This custom scenario utilizes a config mod (modified Cheetah with custom missiles)"

light lintel May 25, 2017, 10:00 AM

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Ah, didn't see

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nice demo though 😃

scenic gyro May 25, 2017, 10:11 AM

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yeah, it's going to be good for more complex scenarios, adding some real authenticity to stuff like 'destroy the radar' type missions, so instead of an imagined threat it becomes a real one with real consequences

light lintel May 25, 2017, 10:18 AM

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i wonder if it's possible to put one of the new radar AA turrets into a dome, and still have the radar work... 🤔

scenic gyro May 25, 2017, 10:45 AM

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it would be nice to have a non-hacky, mod-free solution to turn various in map radar assets (airport and bases) into working radars with configurable allegiance

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even better if we got animation for those visible dishes on the tops of control towers etc 😉

light lintel May 25, 2017, 10:49 AM

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yeah, a destructable "radar object" that could be placed on/inside these structures would be cool

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or better, an editor module

scenic gyro May 25, 2017, 11:41 AM

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a module would be good

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but then again, since you want to be able to tie it to a physical map object ...

light lintel May 25, 2017, 11:44 AM

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Yeah, that would be up to the module to find (nearest objects filtered by class)

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Although at the moment it's tied to the config so idk how they would do it

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BTW since structures block radar, it's not possible to put the turret inside the dome

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Not to mention the turret exploding

scenic gyro May 25, 2017, 11:46 AM

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which is why a module might be better

light lintel May 25, 2017, 11:47 AM

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This led me to discover that destroyed map structures still seem to block radar signals even after destruction...

scenic gyro May 25, 2017, 11:47 AM

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then you're only taking existing radar behaviour and applying it to the building as though it were a vehicle

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hmm, that's unfortunate but I guess expected at this stage.

crisp wyvern May 26, 2017, 1:37 AM

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Quick changelog stuff in 25 May 2017's configs:
air_f_exp: Blackfish and Xi'an got several HUD/HMD tweaks
data_f: class CfgCoreData gained the following three properties: textureLine3DDoted="A3\data_f\textureline3dDoted_ca.paa",textureLine3DDashed="A3\data_f\textureline3dDashed_ca.paa", textureLine3DDashedDoted="A3\data_f\textureline3dDashedDoted_ca.paa";
drones_f: class UGV_01_base_F gained a VehicleTransport class with subclass Cargo (whose properties are parachuteHeightLimit=5; canBeTransported=1; parachuteClass="B_Parachute_02_F"; dimensions[]={"BBox_1_1_pos","BBox_1_2_pos"};) for the purposes of ViV
weapons_f: class 5Rnd_127x108_APDS_Mag gained the property displayNameShort="$STR_A3_CfgMagazines_250Rnd_30mm_APDS_shells_dns";

light lintel May 26, 2017, 9:57 AM

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^didn't understand the last one

crisp wyvern May 26, 2017, 1:29 PM

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Oh, just that magazine getting a description in the 'weapon info' box

light lintel May 26, 2017, 1:47 PM

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oh

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Added: (...) enableVehicleSensor (...)

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Now this is interesting 😃

crisp wyvern May 26, 2017, 1:57 PM

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@scenic gyro @light lintel Just posted links in the official forums' sensors thread for the config and scenario (minus the Centurion) used to demonstrate the Data Link sensor

crisp wyvern May 26, 2017, 6:05 PM

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Malden 2035 is here!

scenic gyro May 26, 2017, 6:10 PM

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did I oversleep again? I could have sworn it was still May ...

void magnet May 26, 2017, 6:12 PM

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is it on the branch now?

digital vessel May 26, 2017, 6:14 PM

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Added: Malden 2035 terrain

void magnet May 26, 2017, 6:15 PM

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ah, i saw that elsewhere did not link that with being on dev branch in my head. makes sense now. 😄

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@digital vessel thanks 👍

severe nimbus May 26, 2017, 7:03 PM

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Oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god ... MALDEN!!! I must switch now 😍

severe nimbus May 26, 2017, 8:41 PM

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Loving it Just spend an hour and a half on it and Its awesome 😃

void magnet May 26, 2017, 8:43 PM

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looks at his watch.. taps his foot...

bleak canopy May 27, 2017, 1:35 AM

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Malden feels like it's at low tide. Most of the docks and jetties are a tad high.

storm pewter May 27, 2017, 1:37 AM

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it is, tides change depending on time of day

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and date

bleak canopy May 27, 2017, 1:44 AM

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so cool

thick oyster May 27, 2017, 6:47 AM

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Malden 2035 is too altis like , which makes it somewhat not so much unique

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but hey its free so thats good 😬

lavish basalt May 27, 2017, 6:55 AM

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Yep, 💯 😄

severe nimbus May 27, 2017, 7:01 AM

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Pay attention to the details e.g. the plasement of rocks and boulders ... looks much better than they managed to do on stratis more organic and more realistic ... it captures the mediteranean feel really well ... altogether the map will be a great change to scenery for everyone ... especially since its a free DLC

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so everyone will be able to enjoy it

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ahw the new lighthouses on malden have a fully functional ladder inside and you can walk around on top but the doors seem to be locked 😕

thick oyster May 27, 2017, 7:21 AM

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imho i liked the original look tho

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that was at least something more new to look at

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https://www.projectargo.net/static/images/blog_malden_larche_old.jpg

void magnet May 27, 2017, 7:28 AM

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i spent the last couple hours running/flying/driving around the map. i personally like it much better than the old one. looks pretty decent all the way around. seen a couple odd things here and there. but meh.. this is to be expected. i imagine they'll fix those.

thick oyster May 27, 2017, 7:29 AM

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only if altis didnt existed 😛

void magnet May 27, 2017, 7:29 AM

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you guys have been hating on that map for what, years now?

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lol

thick oyster May 27, 2017, 7:30 AM

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well its pretty much boring map even to look at

severe nimbus May 27, 2017, 7:34 AM

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Altis is a solid map ... stratis is meh ... tanoa is great and malden is shaping up to be too

thick oyster May 27, 2017, 7:35 AM

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funny is people like stratis more than altis 😄

void magnet May 27, 2017, 7:35 AM

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not many that i know

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

thick oyster May 27, 2017, 7:36 AM

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then you dont know many x3

severe nimbus May 27, 2017, 7:36 AM

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I don't know aynone that likes stratis over altis

charred rampart May 27, 2017, 7:38 AM

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Neither. Altis is a fantastic map.

light lintel May 27, 2017, 8:30 AM

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We complained about Altis for three years, and Stratis while nice was underused. Post tanoa, for some reason, we continued making missions on Altis and even made things on stratis 😄

scenic gyro May 27, 2017, 8:32 AM

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most of the complaints I saw about Altis revolved around it being 'too big' for most servers etc with ~20-30 people, while people liked Stratis because it was much smaller

light lintel May 27, 2017, 8:32 AM

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to be frank i think i like them all now, with a slight preference for Altis overall

scenic gyro May 27, 2017, 8:33 AM

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there were a few complaints that there wasn't enough forest cover on Altis, but IMHO that was unfair, the north west in particular has plenty of forest for those scenarios

light lintel May 27, 2017, 8:34 AM

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GBee i think it depends on the type of game being run. Altis would perhaps be too big for 20 people playing CTI type things, but we've never had a problem with single/dual/multiple objective missions for 15-40 people.

scenic gyro May 27, 2017, 8:35 AM

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When you look at something like Tanoa, it might be fair to say that Altis was lacking in detail, but it was a much larger map and giving it that level of attention would have taken forever

light lintel May 27, 2017, 8:35 AM

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yeah.

scenic gyro May 27, 2017, 8:35 AM

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@light lintel agreed, I wasn't saying it was too big, just that many people expressed that opinion

light lintel May 27, 2017, 8:36 AM

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oh sure, was just a comment on that, didn't mean to ascribe it to you 😅

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i'd guess that people new to Arma were under the impression that the whole map was supposed to be used together 😄

scenic gyro May 27, 2017, 8:42 AM

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If it wasn't for the fact that so many missions/scenarios had been created on Altis, I suspect BI might have continued tweaking it - some building changes, a few more detail features like signage and unique stuff in the landscape

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looking forward to Malden, but I would have been as excited to see an Altis v2

light lintel May 27, 2017, 8:46 AM

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i dunno, they can still change things without breaking too much to be honest

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as long as it's well documented to cover exceptions

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Heck i'd love to see Altis+Stratis in the same map 😄

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But apparently it's a lot of work

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And well, save for new plane and boat missions, wouldn't serve much of a purpose, to be quite honest

timber sorrel May 27, 2017, 1:41 PM

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anyone got a wasteland mission or anything for the new map be nice to have a race round that with some mates 😃

light lintel May 27, 2017, 5:09 PM

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so... i've been told that tide is set by time only, and ignores the moon?

crisp wyvern May 27, 2017, 5:34 PM

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I'd imagine the date would be involved

light lintel May 27, 2017, 6:11 PM

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it appears not to be

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would encourage someone to test

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and provide feedback

tame rover May 27, 2017, 6:57 PM

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I thought the moon phase coincides with the tide differently at different times on the year?

void magnet May 27, 2017, 7:22 PM

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this is how i've always known it to work. although i vaguely recall some chatter about these things a year or so ago. maybe they changed after all these years. i do remember using a standard chart for missions years ago and that was accurate in-game.

light lintel May 27, 2017, 7:23 PM

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even if it does, what i've been told is that the tide is invariant by date (and only varies by time). can't test myself without downloading all 25 GB all over again, which i'm frankly in no mood to

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(because 5.96GB isn't enough for the 5.9GB it wants to download)

void magnet May 27, 2017, 7:24 PM

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and who told you that?

light lintel May 27, 2017, 7:24 PM

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someone in the community i play with, who downloaded dev branch and tested.

void magnet May 27, 2017, 7:25 PM

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im curious myself, as the understanding has been the same for a long time now.

light lintel May 27, 2017, 7:25 PM

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i would like someone to verify, is all

severe nimbus May 27, 2017, 10:19 PM

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We need more buildings like Land_Shed_08_grey_F and Land_Shed_08_brown_F

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a Barn ... nice

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actuall new buildings

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😃

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uuh Bunkers

candid dew May 27, 2017, 10:28 PM

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I am 100% certain the date affects tide. Unless they changed within the last two weeks.

light lintel May 27, 2017, 10:34 PM

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hmm, thanks

sick goblet May 28, 2017, 9:15 PM

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I have a question about this building https://gyazo.com/cae27bc01883f8a6b00c83da81997158 . Is it a malden or Apex building cuz in the eden editor it says its Apex but it is all over Malden

timber sorrel May 28, 2017, 9:26 PM

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getModelInfo cursorObject ?

light lintel May 28, 2017, 9:33 PM

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looks like a Tanoa building, could have been repurposed for malden

tame rover May 28, 2017, 10:12 PM

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I heard the Tanoa vegetation and props are part of the base game from 1.71/1.72

sick goblet May 29, 2017, 1:17 AM

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So you dont need apex to see those props ?

void magnet May 29, 2017, 1:36 AM

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i believe they should.

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i dont think it's inclusive of 'all things' though. not sure what is what honestly. may not include buildings. that being said, if it's on Malden now, it's probably safe to assume people won't need apex for it.

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although currently, they might need it. hopefully thats not overly confusing.

light lintel May 29, 2017, 4:55 AM

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props were already free afaik

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at least some of them

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i mean, i even asked dwarden and didn't get a reply

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so who knows exactly which ones...

sick goblet May 29, 2017, 7:44 AM

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K

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10Q

scenic gyro May 29, 2017, 8:16 AM

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fwiw, that's definitely an Apex (Tanoa) building, appears in one of the smaller woodyard as a reception building by the gate as one example (featured in the campaign mission where you have to blow up the ammo dumps)

rustic plaza May 29, 2017, 9:24 AM

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All apex buildings /props are available for non apex users

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Basically only island files are non available

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Perhaps minimal hard drive requirements should be updated because of that :p

thick oyster May 29, 2017, 9:37 AM

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so now a non apex user can see the actual building?

scenic gyro May 29, 2017, 10:46 AM

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should be helpful for mission makers who no longer need to worry about mixing up Apex assets with non-Apex terrain

late harbor May 29, 2017, 10:48 AM

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@rustic plaza Does that mean we can plan community build maps that has Apex objects in then without apex?

timber sorrel May 29, 2017, 11:55 AM

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@rustic plaza that as of 1.70 ? or planned for next update?

rustic plaza May 29, 2017, 12:08 PM

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It's connected with Malden release so 1.71+

timber sorrel May 29, 2017, 12:12 PM

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kk very nice. prob worth a mention on sitrep (dont think i saw it mentioned anywhere).

crisp wyvern May 29, 2017, 12:13 PM

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Me neither

prime sage May 29, 2017, 2:32 PM

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Is anyone else here having an issue where they try to start a multiplayer malden map and get this: https://feedback.bistudio.com/file/data/cxbfdo5bjdimerquqsuy/PHID-FILE-kvvsowf6gjuhula3bbtx/ErrorPicture.png

light lintel May 29, 2017, 5:06 PM

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@scenic gyro @rustic plaza the funny thing is, based on a discussion in #general_chat_arma with @elfin knot a week or two ago, I was actually working on a mod to detect Apex buildings, which is why i had asked dwarden in the first place...

I had got this far, which functionally works as intended. Just needed to figure out how to add it to the editor UI (along with dialogue boxes)

_staticObjects = (all3DENEntities select 0) select {_x isKindOf "Static"};
_tanoaBuildingCount = {getObjectDLC _x == 395180} count _staticObjects;
if (_tanoaBuildingCount > 0) then {systemChat format [ "Warning: %1 Tanoa map objects detected",_tanoaBuildingCount]} else {systemChat "no Tanoa map objects detected"};```

Guess i won't need to do it now 😄

void magnet May 29, 2017, 5:09 PM

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this is good to know. poor Suicide 🙁 that was a good idea.

severe nimbus May 29, 2017, 5:10 PM

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Hey at least he know how to do that so it's an exercise if nothing else

void magnet May 29, 2017, 5:14 PM

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indeed

light lintel May 29, 2017, 5:15 PM

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yeah, that's why i took it up hehe. thought i'd learn editor modding.

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heck, maybe i still finish it, and put it up on the forums somewhere

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just for the heck of it

crisp wyvern May 29, 2017, 5:37 PM

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sees today's changelog You're welcome 😄

crisp wyvern May 29, 2017, 8:05 PM

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Quick notes re: today's changelog...
AH-99 Blackfoot/Mi-48 Kajman: HMDs tweaked
IFV-6a Cheetah/ZSU-39 Tigris: now receive and transmit remote targets by default, they gained a data link sensor (1:1 with the template meaning full-globe coverage out to 16 km, requires Data Link Receive to be checked off in the vehicle's Object: Electronics & Sensors portion of the Attributes window in Eden), and their sensor displays should start at 16 km instead of 8 km; there were small value tweaks as well in the SimpleObject class' animate[] array for CRV-6e Bobcat, IFV-6c Panther, and ZSU-39 Tigris but these should not affect gameplay
Data: Data Link sensor gains typeRecognitionDistance=0; which means that "Helicopter" never becomes "PO-30 Orca" unless it's within another sensor's FoV and typeRecognitionDistance
Mk21 Centurion/Mk49 Spartan/Praetorian 1C: All three now have a datalink sensor (1:1 with the template), by default Data Link Send and Data Link Receive are checked off and Emission Control set to Active in their Object: Electronics & Sensors settings, and the following:

Mk21 Centurion's active radar cone narrowed to 15 degrees horizontal/vertical and now aimed half a degree above mainGun model selection, but ranges increased to 14 km vs. air/11 km vs. ground with typeRecognitionDistance increased to 11 km; visual sensor seemingly unchanged; gained datalink sensor.
Mk49 Spartan's active radar sensor removed; IR sensor seemingly unchanged; gained datalink sensor.
Praetorian 1C's active radar ranges increased to 10 km vs. air/7 km vs. ground with typeRecognitionDistance increased to 10 km; IR sensor seemingly unchanged; gained datalink sensor.

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Bonus: The armor_f_argo config includes APC_Tracked_01_unarmed_base_F and APC_Wheeled_02_unarmed_base_F...

A small typo in the config of data_f_argo?
overview="Celebrate 16th Armavesary in a modern reimagination of the classic Malden terrain. Dive into a procedural Combat Patrol game mode and complete tactical objectives on every terrain.";

crisp wyvern May 29, 2017, 8:29 PM

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@void magnet To TL;DR the first line in today's changelog, it appears that the Mk21 and Mk49 now rely on the 1C -- or any other datalink transmitter -- to orient them towards targets, and in particular the Mk21 Centurion should no longer have 'orient towards target but not firing' behavior, due to its active radar now being toggled on by default.

void magnet May 29, 2017, 8:33 PM

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im just glad you can type it out in a way it still makes sense to me lol. (im trying to keep up) 👍

crisp wyvern May 29, 2017, 8:41 PM

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Well that's why I'm posting these 'quick' notes in the first place! 😄

crisp wyvern May 29, 2017, 9:39 PM

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@void magnet I'll add that as currently set up any Data Link transmitter should be able to serve in place of the Praetorian 1C -- see the aforementioned Cheetah/Tigris -- and active radar is not the only sensor which counts for the purposes of transmitting... heck, in one experiment just now I just parked a V-44X Blackfish on the ground and its IR sensor picked up/transmitted its received Orca contact to the Mk21/Mk49 which turned, oriented, and got to work, and because a Y-32 Xi'an happened to be within the envelope of both launchers... 😉

void magnet May 29, 2017, 9:43 PM

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ha! that is excellent 😃

crisp wyvern May 29, 2017, 9:51 PM

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Plase note that as far as limitations go, currently we don't have a physical "node" for a transmission of contact track data, only receive/transmit through an invisible/virtual "center", and neither the 'RIM-116' (Spartan) nor the 'RIM-162' (Centurion) or the 'Titan Missile' (Cheetah/Tigris) have been upgraded with datalink sensors yet so they're all limited to their pre-existing guidance...

crisp wyvern May 31, 2017, 9:49 AM

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Late as hell but two quick notes re: the 30 May 2017 dev branch changelog:
Neophron: Stations 3 through 8 (basically all but the outermost two of each wing) now support a single LOM-250G guided bomb, up from just the innermost two (2) stations, and now all stations except the outermost support the Skalpel quad-pack; the outermost stations support single Skalpels or Sahr-3s
Wipeout: All stations now support a single GBU-12 or Mk82 freefall bomb, up from just the four (4) stations in between the rear landing gear wheels.

scenic gyro May 31, 2017, 10:39 AM

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lots more boom

tough ermine May 31, 2017, 9:36 PM

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daft question sorry, if i wanted to switch my test server over to the dev branch what steam cmd would i use 'SET A3serverBRANCH=233780 -beta development'???

idle furnace Jun 1, 2017, 1:36 PM

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@potent yew76#7601 There is no DEV server build, you have to download the whole client +app_update 107410 -beta development validate +quit

tough ermine Jun 1, 2017, 4:43 PM

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No worries thanks, I'll wait till it gets moved to RC branch which I'm guessing is soon anyhow

past moon Jun 2, 2017, 11:10 AM

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2*3 CP servers at DEV branch (one per region) are up, regular/recruit/veteran each, same mission cycle order, voting is possible , in case of problems this might be subject to change

idle furnace Jun 2, 2017, 12:28 PM

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We have an Exile Malden server on DEV branch EU region

unborn fiber Jun 5, 2017, 12:29 PM

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Where do I have to paste??
+app_update 107410 -beta development validate +quit

SET STEAMLOGIN=
SET A3serverBRANCH= 233780 -beta
:: For stable use 233780 -beta
:: For Dev use 233780 -beta development
:: Note, the missing qotation marks, these need to be wrapped around the entire "+app_data......"
:: There is no DEV branch data yet for Arma 3 Dedicated Server package !!!
SET A3serverPath=C:
SET STEAMPATH=C:\steam\

lucid crag Jun 5, 2017, 10:48 PM

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@jagged lodge#2563 steam cmd batch, did you not read what this was before you considered what it might do? I'm sure if you've used steam cmd before, +app_update may look familiar to you.

crisp wyvern Jun 6, 2017, 12:44 AM

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@scenic gyro @light lintel Heads up, the Buzzard has had some flight model tweaks which word-of-oukej states = testbed for future changes to other fixed-wing aircraft down the line 😃 discussion thereof proceeds from here: https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/203793-fixed-wing-flight-model-dev-branch/?do=findComment&comment=3198294

light lintel Jun 6, 2017, 6:02 AM

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ah nice

bleak rivet Jun 6, 2017, 3:35 PM

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If anyone wants to test Malden on a live server with friends, feel free to join: [EU] Armajunkies #2 | 3rdPV | 64-Bit | Wasteland Malden 😉 server.armajunkies.de:2312

timber sorrel Jun 6, 2017, 3:53 PM

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Not sure you can put ads in here

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There's a Chan for that

bleak rivet Jun 6, 2017, 4:04 PM

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@timber sorrel As it is RC only, I thought this may help someone, if he wants to test Malden live with friends and some background 😃 anyway, if it is not appreciated then the BI Minions can delete it 😉

severe nimbus Jun 6, 2017, 5:45 PM

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I do believe Valthos is right ...

spare gazelle Jun 7, 2017, 12:12 AM

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Anyone know how to make steamCMD not download workshop items?

idle furnace Jun 7, 2017, 3:09 PM

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unsubscribe from them on Steam

past moon Jun 9, 2017, 4:13 PM

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RC and DEV branch servers up2date so enjoy weekend

severe nimbus Jun 9, 2017, 7:37 PM

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💓

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thanks Dwarden

lavish basalt Jun 12, 2017, 4:56 PM

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hm, 3.1GB Patch, no Changelog in the Forums, tztztz 😄

past moon Jun 13, 2017, 3:54 PM

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new DEV updated on CP servers

steep pasture Jun 14, 2017, 6:24 AM

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So has anyone else noticed the amount of signature kicks increasing again in 1.72 RC? Even I got kicked couple of times, even though I never really suffered the problem after 1.60 update which caused a lot of problems for many players. I think the situation got better at some point since the complaining about the problem lessened. (Or maybe the ones having problems just quit trying to fix it and stopped playing.) Here's just some examples:

Wrong signature for file a3\map_data\middle_mco.paa
Wrong signature for file addons\languagemissions_f_beta.pbo
Wrong signature for file addons\functions_f_exp_a.pbo
Wrong signature for file C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Arma 3\heli\addons\boat_f_heli.pbo
Wrong signature for file a3\plants_f\bush\b_ficusc2s_f.p3d
Wrong signature for file F:\Games\Steam\steamapps\common\Arma 3\expansion\addons\structures_f_exp_cultural.ebo
Wrong signature for file a3\roads_f\roads\data\path_sm.paa
Wrong signature for file S:\Steam\steamapps\common\Arma 3\kart\addons\missions_f_kart.pbo
Wrong signature for file a3\plants_f\bush\b_neriumo2d_f.p3d
Wrong signature for file addons\soft_f_bootcamp.pbo
Wrong signature for file a3\soft_f_gamma\hatchback_01\hatchback_01_f.p3d
Wrong signature for file E:\Spiele\steamapps\common\Arma 3\kart\addons\missions_f_kart.pbo
Wrong signature for file addons\language_f_exp_b.pbo
Wrong signature for file addons\dubbing_f_patrol.pbo
Wrong signature for file addons\dubbing_f_beta.pbo
Wrong signature for file addons\functions_f_patrol.pbo
Wrong signature for file addons\language_f_gamma.pbo
Wrong signature for file addons\missions_f.pbo
Wrong signature for file addons\dubbing_radio_f.pbo

light lantern Jun 14, 2017, 10:26 AM

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Glad i'm not the only one...

crystal parrot Jun 14, 2017, 1:51 PM

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hi, i have this error with the last rc update : http://i.imgur.com/vhuQqDl.png

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during the server start

crystal parrot Jun 14, 2017, 2:49 PM

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okay it's fix, i think it just a fail during the dl

wise citrus Jun 17, 2017, 12:42 PM

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i try make Altis life on malden before malden relase

neat cosmos Jun 20, 2017, 8:22 PM

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There's been quite a lot of changes in flight models of Shikra, Black Wasp, Buzzard, Gryphon and Sentinel. Wipeout and Neophron won't probably make it for this update.
Pleas check it on RC branch and mention me with any feedback.

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Thanks a lot guys!

stuck canopy Jun 20, 2017, 8:23 PM

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We had Malden Life 2 weeks ago, but decided to cancel it 😃

light lintel Jun 30, 2017, 4:28 PM

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Fixed: Some planes were falling through carrier deck
woooo

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and i didn't even have to make a bug report 😄

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worth mentioning that i've only observed this behavior on a dedicated server...hopefully also fixed

light lintel Jul 1, 2017, 2:49 PM

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Added: An icon to the pylons settings to change the owner pilot / gunner of a weapon
i totally missed this

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This is great!

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(if i it is what i think it is)

scenic gyro Jul 1, 2017, 4:37 PM

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oh my

polar hedge Jul 10, 2017, 3:11 AM

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Is anyone around who can help me troubleshoot an issue I'm having>

light lintel Jul 10, 2017, 5:49 AM

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probably

scenic gyro Jul 10, 2017, 9:14 AM

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@polar hedge Unless you tell people what the issue you're having is, no-one can answer 'yes' to that question

light lintel Jul 12, 2017, 12:39 PM

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so a suggestion: if you're worried about missile balancing in stuff like KOTH, simply make a multiplayer version of those classes (and by extention, those loadouts). The KOTH crowd can use the "compettitve" versions of the missiles, while those of us trying to use the assets in sensible community missions can use the regular versions.

crisp wyvern Jul 12, 2017, 10:16 PM

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That seems to mean config modding...

light lintel Jul 13, 2017, 2:21 AM

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yeah, doesn't KOTH use vanilla though?

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in which case a first party thing would be best

inner pagoda Jul 13, 2017, 3:01 AM

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Vanilla assets with some things changed around I believe.

crisp wyvern Jul 13, 2017, 3:37 AM

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Therein lies the problem though, that there's only so much that can be changed/rebalanced via scripting

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Any mod requirement would run counter to the pick-up-and-play appeal of being able to just join a server and go, although such an exception has been carved out for IFA3 with KOTH 1944.

light lintel Jul 14, 2017, 5:34 PM

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Tweaked: Parachute no longer has a target signature and cannot be tracked anymore
OMG YES

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i sat and created a EH fired script yesterday to set parachutes as captive, so that AI won't shoot ejected pilots
now i'm not sure if that's needed anymore

scenic gyro Jul 15, 2017, 11:14 AM

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well, they may still engage parachutes, it's just a question of whether they can visually see them I guess? A radar system won't engage?

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if infantry etc didn't engage parachutes at all then a lot of people would complain since that's a large part of a scenario like a paratrooper invasion. However you don't want SAM/AAA launchers turning and engaging parachutes which it sounds like this change fixes

severe nimbus Jul 15, 2017, 12:12 PM

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I'd immagine since it was a vehicle the issue was on AA usage against parachutes ... they will still shoot the person inside I am certain

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Worth a test I guess

light lintel Jul 15, 2017, 2:52 PM

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@scenic gyro @Finn Simmons#4180 yeah, so currently no SAM will engage parachutes but:

The Praetorian 1C won't engage infantry but will engage all other vehicles including parachuting infantry
The Cheetah and Tigris engage both infantry and parachuting infantry

This change should prevent them engaging at radar ranges, but i'm not sure how they'll behave given their IR and/or visual sensors.

timber sorrel Jul 17, 2017, 3:01 PM

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If BIS_fnc_addStackedEventHandler no longer supported (on dev branch, at the moment), why are they fixing issues related to it?
From the last changelog: ```
Fixed: The BIS_fnc_addStackedEventHandler function did not accept object argument or function name
Fixed: The BIS_fnc_addStackedEventHandler function was missing some native parameters, such as _pos in onMapSingleClick

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they fixed a issue with it that made it allmost unusable

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didn't had the time to test it but here is a ticked i made describing the issue and a repro:
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T126078

bleak canopy Jul 17, 2017, 3:46 PM

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Anyone get the Bobcat bulldozer blade to animate? Only the shadow changes for me.

scenic gyro Jul 18, 2017, 9:10 AM

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Fixed: The smoke particle effect position for the NLAW and Titan launchers was incorrect << NLAW? Don't they mean PCML? 😛

crisp wyvern Jul 18, 2017, 11:05 AM

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Display name-wise yes, albeit launch_nlaw_f in configs 😉

scenic gyro Jul 18, 2017, 1:06 PM

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Tweaked: Player camera now shakes when ships drive nearby I'll leave the use of the word 'ships' alone for now, but are they referring to players on land or swimming?

crisp wyvern Jul 18, 2017, 1:09 PM

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I thought it had been for swimming

light lintel Jul 18, 2017, 2:22 PM

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I'll leave the use of the word 'ships' alone for now
😃

scenic gyro Jul 18, 2017, 4:01 PM

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There's a trickle of nice little stuff going into dev branch

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and some of it feels like a direct consequence of the Tanks DLC work, i.e. fix for commander's turrets, making the AI more likely to attack an armoured vehicle and improved launcher effects

light lintel Jul 18, 2017, 4:09 PM

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i'm still waiting for them to fix locality issues with commanders and their smoke screens

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and locality issues with multi-crew vehicle repair in MP

scenic gyro Jul 18, 2017, 4:21 PM

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that last one is a biggy

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well, a serious annoyance

crisp wyvern Jul 19, 2017, 1:51 AM

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@scenic gyro There's a trickle of nice little stuff going into dev branch Laying the groundwork months in advance I suppose, since it's stuff that can't be promoted as 'DLC-promoting platform update features'? Not like the FCS could have been had the devs revealed it much later instead of saying basically 'what the heck we'll throw it in alongside Jets'

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And I wonder if some of what you describe means some changes to anti-tank for infantry? (Admittedly I don't expect major changes in air-to-ground except maybe more seeker types in the form of non-IR-sensor AGM variants)

scenic gyro Jul 19, 2017, 8:42 AM

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There will be a showcase scenario to go with the Tanks DLC, I figure AI changes and the like are doing to be related to that.

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or it could be entirely coincidental 😉

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early release of FCS stuff would be to allow modders plenty of time to integrate it I guess

tame rover Jul 19, 2017, 11:04 AM

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Tank FCS was in the Jets DLC

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many cases it'll just inherit unless the tank has a custom optics RSC where the rangefinder is explicitly defined to use the old idc

lucid prawn Jul 19, 2017, 3:26 PM

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I say that the mine detector changes are part of orange DLC and we probably get atleast one mission were we have to clear minefields as a humanitarian aid.

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Also the launcher changes including the updated effects will be for tanks obv.

crisp wyvern Jul 19, 2017, 3:57 PM

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Any substantive changes for launchers thusfar or just the effects stuff? I know that the PCML got a visual sensor during the Jets DLC while the Titan (AT) was formally made IR-guided

light lintel Jul 19, 2017, 4:42 PM

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recently just effects, afaik.

lucid prawn Jul 20, 2017, 12:28 AM

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Yep, was talking about the effects. I wish we would get a deadly backblast effect, would probably lead to an AI genocide tho.

crisp wyvern Jul 20, 2017, 3:28 AM

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snort yeah that's a non-starter, and tbh one problem with Arma AI for the overall game is how much it feels like features were held back because programmers couldn't get the AI to play along 'properly'

scenic gyro Jul 20, 2017, 9:02 AM

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at least for backblast, it wouldn't take much just to have the effect disabled or not work when it's an AI unit that's behind the launcher

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PCML (NLAW) won't have a backblast though, it's a soft-launch system. Not sure about the Titan

steel rune Jul 20, 2017, 9:15 AM

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https://youtu.be/lIVtB-8fQ7E?t=8

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there's a bit of backblast to it actually

scenic gyro Jul 20, 2017, 9:17 AM

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yes, but none-lethal. It's designed specifically to be fired in an enclosed space like a small room without causing any harm

steel rune Jul 20, 2017, 9:20 AM

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yeah, it's derived from the BILL system and AT4 CS

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not sure if they still use salt water to counter the backblast as the original AT4 CS system

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I'd still prefer not to stand behind a AT gunner firing that thing, the main purpose is to be able to fire from inside buildings

scenic gyro Jul 20, 2017, 9:27 AM

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yeah, some concussion/blurring type affects, like the ones from ACE(?) would be reasonable for anyone standing directly behind the launcher. It just shouldn't kill them

light lintel Jul 20, 2017, 11:29 AM

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you could always have a visual effect that doesn't do any damage

scenic gyro Jul 25, 2017, 2:48 PM

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well the further mine sweeping related changes in recent updates - animations for Bobcat and audio added for mine detector seem to corroborate the latest theory that Orange DLC involves post-conflict clearance of minefields in addition or in connection with humanitarian work.

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it's proper title will be the Red Cross DLC, perhaps?

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thing is, I can't see how they can really pull that off without adding female and child models

light lintel Jul 25, 2017, 3:00 PM

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Children most likely won't get added

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Women and men are at least adults

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And well, they already have CfgMovementWomen and Women in the main config file...

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Don't think it will be affiliated with the Red Cross in name (note that they use different symbols on their medical equipment in game)

thick oyster Jul 25, 2017, 3:02 PM

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we still dont know whats the damn Orange lol

light lintel Jul 25, 2017, 3:02 PM

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Orange = made in NL

thick oyster Jul 25, 2017, 3:02 PM

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yes i get that but what it is?

light lintel Jul 25, 2017, 3:02 PM

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oh.

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Nobody knows 😄

thick oyster Jul 25, 2017, 3:03 PM

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even a basic description would help here but BI is quiet about it for some strange reason

light lintel Jul 25, 2017, 3:03 PM

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Like GBee mentioned, humanitarian/peacekeeping stuff seems to be the speculated stuff

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Well they said they'll only announce it closer to release.

thick oyster Jul 25, 2017, 3:03 PM

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well there was suppose to be a SITREP about it

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but no orange

light lintel Jul 25, 2017, 3:04 PM

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I think we'll just have to let them surprise us 😄

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my best guess is that we'll hear about it after 1.74 is on stable

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I'm quite happy about the mine audio cue thing BTW

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we won't have to run that one mod on our server anymore...

scenic gyro Jul 25, 2017, 3:22 PM

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well my thought with children comes from "This War of Mine".

lucid prawn Jul 25, 2017, 3:24 PM

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Today is Sitrep day, no? So we might get a clue in some hours.

scenic gyro Jul 25, 2017, 3:24 PM

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as far as using the Red Cross name, probably not, but BI have worked with the Red Cross in the past on the Make Arma Not War ... so there is a working relationship there and I can imagine the Red Cross backing a humanitarian dlc

lucid prawn Jul 25, 2017, 3:24 PM

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Kids are a no go and AFAIK women we're also deniedsome time ago by BIS.

scenic gyro Jul 25, 2017, 3:31 PM

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right, woman were ruled out and I don't really expect children in a war game (although as noted they were present in the anti-war game previously mentioned). However IFF this is a humanitarian mod, I'm not sure how it makes sense without women and children there to feed/clothe/protect etc.

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which I guess is a roundabout way of saying that I don't think it can be a strictly humanitarian mod, but perhaps tangentially related - i.e. post war reconstruction of abandoned towns so refugees (who we never see) can move back

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maybe Orange will be nothing at all like everyone has speculated, maybe BI have led us on a merry dance with a whole bunch of 'clues' which weren't clues at all

lucid prawn Jul 25, 2017, 3:41 PM

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I'm quite sure they would be able to paint refugees without females or kids, so i doubt that it's a sign for not being a humanitarian aid dlc. We'll see.

light lintel Jul 25, 2017, 4:15 PM

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women were also denied some time ago by BIS
is this strictly related to BIS, or having women in general?

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Since the argument then was "we don't have manpower/resources to do it"

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Also, i find the implication that only women and children need to be fed/clothed/protected in a war time situation really weird

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civilians of all genders and ages vastly outnumber combatants

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And i think a lot of conflicts in the last century have shown that women are fairly likely to take up arms

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so...

scenic gyro Jul 25, 2017, 4:20 PM

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I wasn't asserting that only women and children needed humanitarian aid, just the rather strange scenario that would lead to an island populated only by men - some unholy genocide of women and children occurred? Or women and children were permitted to leave the island but men were not?

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that's fine (to a degree) while civilians take a back seat in the Arma campaigns, but in a mod that deals directly with civilians it would be odd

lucid prawn Jul 25, 2017, 4:24 PM

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is this strictly related to BIS, or having women in general?

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Both?

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Anyway

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"While we're not quite ready yet to unveil more details on the upcoming Arma 3 "Orange" DLC, our Amsterdam team is working hard to finish and polish the last bits and pieces ahead of its official reveal announcement."

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new sitrep

scenic gyro Jul 25, 2017, 4:26 PM

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the reasoning I remember for not having female combatants was the need for accessories like vests and weapon animations to fit a different model. That wouldn't have ruled out unarmed civilians however.

lucid prawn Jul 25, 2017, 4:29 PM

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In that case BIS could attract even more hate then not having them at all, since it's (as we can see here 😛 ) a hot topic. I still have doubts about them coming with the O-DLC.

scenic gyro Jul 25, 2017, 4:32 PM

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yeah, let me just state that I'm not looking for female models etc to be added to the game. I mean it would be nice, especially in terms of gender equality, but it's not on my wishlist for Arma.

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I only raised it because I felt that the absence of women would seem stranger if the DLC had a civilian focus, which is at least one reason that I'm not entirely convinced that Orange will be exactly as others have speculated lately. Though I do agree that it's likely to have some non-combat focus given everything we do know.

light lintel Jul 25, 2017, 5:07 PM

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just the rather strange scenario that would lead to an island populated only by men
haha i made my peace with that long ago

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well, sort of

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a hot topic
honestly it's a vocal minorty that outright objects to it, about 64% of the community has no real issues with it, and i suspect a lot of the rest only don't want it because they think it'll be too much effort for BIS. Honestly it's a really silly thing to be a "hot topic", imo.

crisp wyvern Jul 26, 2017, 2:18 AM

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Children most likely won't get added remembers VBS3

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even a basic description would help here but BI is quiet about it for some strange reason I say it's because Bohemia's lessons-learned WRT to PR was "don't give people time to be disappointed before the DLC is out" 😉 see how much Bohemia had to deal with complaints about the fixed-wing flight model despite everything else that Bohemia granted (and Bohemia's eventual explanation as voiced by oukej being that it really was a zero-sum thing, fixed-wing flight model or said everything else)

light lintel Jul 27, 2017, 3:17 PM

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Didn't VBS3 have civilian crowd simulation of some sort?

candid dew Jul 27, 2017, 4:02 PM

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At least one 3rd party addon: https://www.simct.com/ambience

crisp wyvern Jul 27, 2017, 11:25 PM

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Speaking of VBS: https://youtu.be/syfCeXrRggs

lucid crag Jul 28, 2017, 3:52 AM

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You can pretty easily replicate the same with some fsm work. I believe they just sort of observe markets and drive cars around. Sometimes sit at a table?

crisp wyvern Jul 28, 2017, 11:54 AM

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There can be a lot more detail/complexity afaik

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I'd look into it more, but BISim took down the manuals 😦

scenic gyro Jul 28, 2017, 12:03 PM

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it would be nice to have some civilian AI that do more than just run around aimlessly

crisp wyvern Jul 28, 2017, 12:04 PM

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Oh agreed

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Even if it was only "they'll actually follow your scripted instructions if you set them to make the rounds of the neighborhood"

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But then I have yet to know if there was a definite breakthrough in "your soldiers move when you tell them to move even when they're supposedly under fire"

crisp wyvern Jul 28, 2017, 12:23 PM

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No data update for today, but the 28 July dev branch update has "drivingstickLeft"/"drivingstickRight" and "drivingWheel" animation sources for armored vehicles

scenic gyro Jul 28, 2017, 12:26 PM

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tank interiors, whoohoo!

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though I expect all the vanilla tanks to use wheels, it's nice that they've not forgotten about older tanks being added through mods

crisp wyvern Jul 28, 2017, 12:29 PM

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tbf Jets indicated that Bohemia really did have a mind towards modding, if not necessarily "legacy" stuff (i.e. the T-34 in A2 or T-55 in OA)

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I wonder why you specify "older" tanks though, unless there's 1985s-2010s stuff for which a stick/wheel would be what their drivers used?

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Asking b/c I have no expectation that Bohemia's premium armor in Tanks won't be '2035' stuff for BLUFOR/OPFOR plus a contemporary-derived one for GREENFOR/INDFOR, hence the question

scenic gyro Jul 28, 2017, 12:46 PM

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to my admittedly limited knowledge, all modern tanks (by which I mean tanks designed in the last 20 years) use wheels or similar instead of sticks.

crisp wyvern Jul 28, 2017, 12:46 PM

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So basically late 90s to 2017 or what would be called contemporary then?

scenic gyro Jul 28, 2017, 12:46 PM

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late 80s

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I keep forgetting that we're in the latter half of this decade 😉

crisp wyvern Jul 28, 2017, 12:47 PM

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So that's 30-ish years

scenic gyro Jul 28, 2017, 12:49 PM

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for them to add stick animation sources that means they are going to support tanks which predate the Abrams or T-80

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i.e. the t-72

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" it's nice that they've not forgotten about older tanks being added through mods"

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I think this is basically a nod to RHS et al

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i.e. they've bothered to think about mods and haven't just implemented what they need for vanilla tanks

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which was what I was trying to say earlier

crisp wyvern Jul 28, 2017, 12:56 PM

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Oh yeah 😃 I agreed, hence the example of Jets

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Even if people did (complain is too strong/negative-implying) remark about how modding was clearly in mind but not so much legacy hardware WRT Jets, i.e. no separation of RWR display from 'radar' display, instead sensor fusion period

crisp wyvern Aug 3, 2017, 2:22 PM

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Tweaked: Tracked vehicles are now properly showing dust when rolling through desert parts of Malden
Added: New "animationSourceStickX" and "animationSourceStickY" animation sources for armored vehicles
Tweaked: AI skill inversion was refactored (Skill and Precision values should now more correspond with the range (0 - 1)), please report any issues to the respective forums thread: https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/150499-ai-discussion-dev-branch/?do=findComment&comment=3220586 the link has klamacz's explanation

scenic gyro Aug 3, 2017, 2:27 PM

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The animation source changes included a Winking emoticon, though I think they already blew that surprise in last weeks update which added the other sources. Unless that was because people had subsequently as for X/Y sources in the forums ...

thick oyster Aug 3, 2017, 2:37 PM

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i am sure there will be interiors , even if they will be basic that will be still better than a black overlay

scenic gyro Aug 3, 2017, 2:55 PM

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yeah, I think it's an absolute certainty

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and they don't have to be spectacular, it was just a sad regression from the OpF days that interiors disappeared

crisp wyvern Aug 3, 2017, 4:48 PM

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Though keep in mind that only OpF had them

scenic gyro Aug 3, 2017, 7:06 PM

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which is why I said "from OpF" and not "from Arma 1" etc 😃

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in the grand scheme of things, tank interiors aren't all that important, but the fact that they were in that original game and then missing in all the sequels was what, I think, disappointed most people

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It will be nice to have interiors, it will help with immersion etc but it that alone wasn't in my opinion what has driven years of people requesting they be added

thick oyster Aug 3, 2017, 7:08 PM

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interiors are important that play in 1st person view only which most of squads do

scenic gyro Aug 3, 2017, 7:09 PM

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are they really important though? I've tried to think many times of practical benefits to gameplay and I've never come up with anything

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and I too only ever play in 1st person

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it's not that interiors are going to improve FOV etc when in 1st person, they even have the potential to make it worse

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though more realistic (which is a good thing)

thick oyster Aug 3, 2017, 7:10 PM

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you got more view points

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irl

scenic gyro Aug 3, 2017, 7:13 PM

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yes, but interiors do not guarantee that those will be modelled in-game. When you 'lean in' to the periscope or monitors (aka zoom) do we know that BI will allow you to switch between those

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let's hope for the best I guess

wraith wave Aug 4, 2017, 9:36 AM

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GB I deem them important. Just like drivers of cars, helicopters and aircraft have them. https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/205389-tank-drivers-interior/?page=1

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Major benefits include freedom of head movement, visual distinction between vehicles, more viewing angle, reason to actually drive in 1st person (right now 3rd person reign supreme because of 1st person fixed/looking is where I'm facing, 2d overlay/black border simulating periscope port, with narrow point of view)

scenic gyro Aug 4, 2017, 10:08 AM

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important to gameplay was what I was talking about. Only maybe one of those items you mention has a practical effect on gameplay, compared to dozens of other changes or features that BI could implement which would have a more dramatic effect on the gameplay.

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Do not think that I don't want tank interiors, I really do, I'm only saying that the volume of requests for that feature is disproportionate to the actual impact they will have on the game.

thick oyster Aug 4, 2017, 10:54 AM

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they could but they wont do other dramatic changes in A3

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so with tanks dlc will the best time to show off the interiors

burnt raft Aug 4, 2017, 11:11 AM

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I'm with the both of you in that respect. Many things need addressing, but since they are releasing the TANKS DLC, one would think that finally, interiors would be on the table.

scenic gyro Aug 4, 2017, 11:22 AM

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cats out of the bag on interiors, we know we're getting them, but not yet what features other than animated steering will be present. So we don't know if we'll get working periscopes or video monitors, nor how those will actually work

wraith wave Aug 4, 2017, 11:48 AM

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The way I see effect on gameplay is this: Ability to look around when driving is big - it allows you to view the world independent of where tank is facing.

View angle: For decades we have been stuck with narrow point of view and simple black overlay - moving from this to modeled 3 point periscopes (front, left and right) would make driving a lot more involved

Those are 2 big examples of gameplay changes. The rest I could think of are immersion related (consistency with other interior vehicles, different tank will feel different if modeled inside)

If cars, helicopters, trucks and airplanes, tank passenger compartment had resources to spend on modeling interior, so should be tanks driver position.

scenic gyro Aug 4, 2017, 12:13 PM

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funny, I completely missed this in the last dev branch changelog - "Added: Ambient sounds for fowls & goats "

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that's just fantastic

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now they just need to add some jungle creatures for use on Tanoa, what could be better than suddenly hearing a rustling in a bush only for a wild pig to emerge

crisp wyvern Aug 4, 2017, 12:20 PM

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So we don't know if we'll get working periscopes or video monitors, nor how those will actually work Especially because I'm not sure how you do these (and have them be useful) as a non-full screen thing (read: "optics") without PiP

burnt raft Aug 4, 2017, 12:21 PM

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I miss user controllable animals

thick oyster Aug 4, 2017, 12:23 PM

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PIP monitors should be quite easy like for the gunner

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periscopes not so much so , that it is best to do them as fake with actual view holes

scenic gyro Aug 4, 2017, 3:08 PM

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does anyone have a screenshot of that new NLAW (PCML) icon?

scenic gyro Aug 4, 2017, 4:30 PM

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nevermind, just saw the request on the dev forum which lead to this. I thought the change in icon might be indicative of some change to the weapon itself, but instead it's just because the icon was the old A2 version and they just updated it.

thick oyster Aug 4, 2017, 4:33 PM

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i wonder whats been changed in EMRs reload animation

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and its kinda weird seeing it now

rustic plaza Aug 7, 2017, 3:08 PM

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magazine was invisible till the very end

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so I've made adjustment to it so it's visible earlier & 2 stage push into rifle is visible

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it was mostly model.cfg tweak

wraith wave Aug 7, 2017, 6:01 PM

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kewl

light lintel Aug 10, 2017, 4:03 PM

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https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/140837-development-branch-changelog/?do=findComment&comment=3222911

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Orange DLC related changes

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:10 PM

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Added: EOD Vest (variants)*

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a proper bomb suit, or just a retextured, reconfiged vest?

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:11 PM

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hell no

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no proper bomb suit

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:11 PM

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Added: Ear Protectors (variants)* << Do they actually reduce noise, like earplugs in Ace?

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:11 PM

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those are headwear i think

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:11 PM

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hmm, looking at these changes I have so many questions ...

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:11 PM

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vest with best explosive protection added with marksmen I think

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only retextured to be blue

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there some new variants too

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:12 PM

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and i dont think they got hearing protection system of any kind

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:14 PM

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only gadgets I think

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:15 PM

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that's a shame, because ear protectors that actually reduced volume when worn would actually be useful

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:15 PM

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I'd love it too

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and it isn't that hard to code I think, there are missions with scripted earplugs

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:18 PM

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well, we've seen plenty of tweaking from the devs after previous DLCs, maybe they'll take some of this stuff onboard

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:20 PM

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@scenic gyro https://arma3.com/assets/img/features/low/content/gear.png

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that blue vest is the EOD - but there are variants in green

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so crap 😄

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:20 PM

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damn :/

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:20 PM

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no, that's press vest, it was in base game for quite long

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EOD vest is retextured GL Rig (I think that's how it's called) from Marksmen

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:21 PM

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no its not

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i am ingame and i see it infront of me

dense epoch Aug 10, 2017, 6:23 PM

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Can we see the other colored ver of it?

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:23 PM

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https://arma3.com/assets/img/bg/lawsofwar.jpg It's an EOD vest

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look at arms

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:24 PM

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that concept artwork also shows a new truck and air-drop parachutes which aren't in the DLC

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so I guess they aimed high, and then scaled back

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that press vest would be useless against a rifle (tiny plate only covering the gut?) let alone a bomb. Retexturing the explosive plate carrier would have been better

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if they couldn't manage a full protective outfit

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:25 PM

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Both truck and Van are IN the DLC, those air-drop parachutes have been in game from Zeus DLC, if not earlier

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:26 PM

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surprised there isn't even a helmet with visor

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:26 PM

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And they did that, really

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:26 PM

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@north compass have a screenshot?

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:26 PM

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I'll launch a game, give me a minute

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:26 PM

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http://imgur.com/876uWZ7

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:27 PM

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And what do you want on it ;)?

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:27 PM

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thats the EOD

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its the same as the press one

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:27 PM

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it isn't

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:27 PM

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just it has the name on back

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:27 PM

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compare them

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As I said before, compare this vest to carrier GL Rig and to press vest...

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They are different models

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:28 PM

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IDAP version got that , not the press one , my mistake

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but still it is not the GL vest

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:29 PM

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On top of your screen were Carier Special Rigs, there's a version of those vests with the best explosive protection in game, I've meant those

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:29 PM

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the EOD one does have the upper arm protection, and maybe a higher neck guard?

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:32 PM

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EOD has the same protection as the GL one

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:32 PM

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Mea Culpa, those vests are similar but not identical

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:32 PM

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as those bars go

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but you are right

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it is the GL model but those pouches and extra stuff took out

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http://imgur.com/a/mRT33

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if you compare these two images you can see it

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:34 PM

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yep

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:35 PM

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so less new models 😄

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:36 PM

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😉

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I wonder why only press helmet has that neck protection

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:36 PM

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that new helmet got 3 colors only - blue , green and white

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:37 PM

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There are 2 press versions lower

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:37 PM

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I can see the Life criticisms, but as someone who likes building detailed single player scenarios, this does give more variety in props to work with. There are a few things included that I've wished were available in the past

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:38 PM

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there are respirators same colors as the helmets

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safety glasses the typical workers type

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and wireless bluetooth earpiece lol

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:38 PM

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I'm honestly surprised that there's no black for the helmet, yes, you can setObjectTexture with a single colour, but that gets fiddly and tedious if you're applying it to multiple units

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:39 PM

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yeah

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:39 PM

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2 earpieces, one as hat other one in glasses slot

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same model

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:39 PM

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especially considering black is the default colour of those things when you remove the fabric cover

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:40 PM

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safari hat and those bangades on head are kinda cool 😄

dense epoch Aug 10, 2017, 6:41 PM

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Select multiple units and edit attributes all at once?

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:41 PM

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at least I can finally give the gendarmes something suitable to wear on their heads

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:41 PM

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I think you can't apply setobjecttexture on helmets

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:41 PM

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interesting the new helmet has Press version but also a neck protector

dense epoch Aug 10, 2017, 6:42 PM

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Part of the EOD "Suit"?

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:42 PM

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probably?

dense epoch Aug 10, 2017, 6:42 PM

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I guess?™

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:42 PM

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that that neck protection is rather on back of the neck 😄

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:43 PM

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well Press are going to be running away 😉

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:43 PM

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indeed, there's only one color with neck protector though

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:43 PM

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oh, the green one?

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:43 PM

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blue

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:43 PM

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ok, thought that's what you were saying before, but then the EOD "suit" was mentioned

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:44 PM

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With "PRESS" on it

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:45 PM

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http://imgur.com/IfBtNNB

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dope

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haha

dense epoch Aug 10, 2017, 6:45 PM

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Totally a meat shield

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:45 PM

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heh

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just wonder how many of these assets are going to be usable with versions prior to 1.76

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:47 PM

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https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/853849275112780521/E38CBAD74AFF026723C7435A84932C8C03E4D1F5/ EOD specialist from new faction

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wdym?

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:47 PM

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ehm that looks like cheapo looking EOD guy xD

dense epoch Aug 10, 2017, 6:47 PM

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@scenic gyro Plan on pulling some and putting into a repo til theyy hit main?

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:48 PM

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@dense epoch for us poor neglected bastards running the Linux port which is currently stuck on 1.68 (next update looks to be 1.70)

dense epoch Aug 10, 2017, 6:48 PM

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Lol thats gotta be fun

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:51 PM

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Btw here's list of retextured vehicles from vanilla/Apex: Mohawk, Darter, Zamak Transport, Zamak Transport (Covered), Zamak Water(it uses fuel support's model), Stomper, Offroad and MB 4WD

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:52 PM

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Mohawk got a retexture?

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:52 PM

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Yep

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:52 PM

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and stomper, that's an odd one, EOD related?

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:54 PM

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oh speaking of wtich , why there isnt a robot or a wheeled small vehicle for EOD?

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:54 PM

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hmm, they missed a trick, should have added a stomper with some a mine detector mounted at the front

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:54 PM

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because that suit wont help him 😄

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:54 PM

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Stomper is just for transport

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It was said in IDAP showcase

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:55 PM

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yeah, a UGV for mine detection would have been good, and maybe more realistic/practical than a mine detecting UAV

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:55 PM

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maybe they could scale down the stomper

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:55 PM

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@north compass Guess I missed that, will look again

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oh, the showcase ... not the DLC video

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:56 PM

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There's isn't an engine change to allow UAVs to disarm mines, so there was only one approach at disarming made by UAVs

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:56 PM

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ok then, won't be looking again 😉

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disarming mines no, but mapping out minefields with a UGV would have been nice

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:57 PM

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They said something like: We use UGV when we know it's safe

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:57 PM

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well when a uav can open the doors why not detect mines 😄

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:57 PM

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can it?

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I know about snakes, but it's first time I hear about UAVs opening doors

thick oyster Aug 10, 2017, 6:57 PM

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not sure if they fixed that

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:57 PM

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and rabbits

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:58 PM

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I saw them disassembling static weapons somewher though

scenic gyro Aug 10, 2017, 6:58 PM

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even invisible rabbits can open doors (reference to a funny incident in an old shacktack video)

north compass Aug 10, 2017, 6:59 PM

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I still don't understand how client side entity can affect something serverside 😄