#dev_rc_branch | ARMA | Page 14

past moon Dec 14, 2016, 4:54 AM

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what OS @void magnet ?

void magnet Dec 14, 2016, 4:55 AM

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Win10

past moon Dec 14, 2016, 4:55 AM

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also are you using maxram or not ? (auto it shall take what it needs)

void magnet Dec 14, 2016, 5:11 AM

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negative, i cleared it all to let it do it's own thing.

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it seems to be spreading core usage pretty well up until that point, and then it goes downhill quickly. but i'm putting stupid demands on it. just so we're clear.

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it did not crash after sitting for a couple hours with AI fighting it out in god mode @ stupid low fps. so thats something i guess.

void magnet Dec 14, 2016, 5:58 AM

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something else i noticed on the gpu side, even when i crank the VD's up on everything..
https://gyazo.com/d89586087c3c3a1198a4238b4231719b and with everything on blast. im only seeing at best 45% GPU usage (TitanX), and hitting low teens FPS flying around at ground level. holds a solid 20 if i get above the ground detail.

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and this scenario seemingly drops the CPU usage, consistently to around 20%. which is odd, but it holds. if i throw AI into the mix the CPU usage falls apart. but it'll hold 1fps for a looong time.

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6.8gb current record. (no mods, just dlc)

past moon Dec 14, 2016, 7:17 AM

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if it always reproduce approximately then deliver the scenario e.g. feedback tracker and send me url 😉

void magnet Dec 14, 2016, 8:16 AM

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yeah, yeah.. i had to fix my testing foo mostly. i'll log some data over the next couple of days. all in all though, in a 'normal' scenario, i have no complaints other than the lod switching (seriously.. 👀 )

past moon Dec 14, 2016, 11:23 AM

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so, anyone got crashes on the 64 yet?

timber sorrel Dec 14, 2016, 2:44 PM

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what s the branch code for the server anyone know

cloud comet Dec 14, 2016, 2:47 PM

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@timber sorrel

App ID client: 107410
App ID server: 233780

timber sorrel Dec 14, 2016, 2:48 PM

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thanks i only wanna test local tho i dont wanna use steacmd on my test client

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id prefer to use the steam GUI

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Arma3Update166RC maybe

cloud comet Dec 14, 2016, 2:53 PM

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Arma 3 client and Arma 3 server are different app IDs not branches. Arma3Update166RC was for 1.66 release candidate branch for the client and server.

timber sorrel Dec 14, 2016, 2:53 PM

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yea

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i need the latest

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for teh steam client

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sigh

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they make it so hard

past moon Dec 14, 2016, 2:54 PM

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166 RC is obsolete ... DEV branch is on 1.67, MAIN branch is on 1.66.hotfix #1, profiling branch is newer than hotfix #1 (see #perf_prof_branch )

timber sorrel Dec 14, 2016, 2:54 PM

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Arma3Update167RC

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then

past moon Dec 14, 2016, 2:55 PM

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wrong, next RC will be Arma3Update168RC

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odd number = dev branch, even number = main branch

timber sorrel Dec 14, 2016, 2:56 PM

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code invalid

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sigh

past moon Dec 14, 2016, 2:56 PM

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because there is no 1.68 RC yet

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what you trying to get ? DEVELOPMENT branch ?

timber sorrel Dec 14, 2016, 2:56 PM

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so which 1 has the x64 exe for me to test

past moon Dec 14, 2016, 2:56 PM

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that's DEV branch ... not RC man 😉

timber sorrel Dec 14, 2016, 2:56 PM

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ahh

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dev then

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ive got it for the client

past moon Dec 14, 2016, 2:56 PM

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they have 1 channel because RC is just before release , made from DEV branch minus what's not yet ready

timber sorrel Dec 14, 2016, 2:57 PM

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just the server unless i just use the -server flag

past moon Dec 14, 2016, 2:57 PM

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RC is short term (usually 2-4 weeks before new patch) so new channel would be overkill

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Steam_Branches

Arma 3 Steam Branches

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107410 -beta development

timber sorrel Dec 14, 2016, 2:59 PM

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yea i want the code for steam gui on the server

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not for steam cmsd

cloud comet Dec 14, 2016, 3:03 PM

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... so new channel would be overkill
That's funny.

past moon Dec 14, 2016, 3:25 PM

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@cloud comet most of channels has it's use, rest i'm not erasing because Discord atm. got no admin-merge-channels feature

timber sorrel Dec 14, 2016, 3:52 PM

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Well that went well vanila

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Insta crash

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https://1drv.ms/u/s!AsNPHSnhXs1LhcQqJubHZN0rJzbAMQ

past moon Dec 14, 2016, 4:22 PM

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about x64, one important detail the -maxram= is now limited to 8191 , this is temporary limitation and shall be lifted sometime in future

timber sorrel Dec 14, 2016, 4:29 PM

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I didnt define max

tulip bane Dec 14, 2016, 5:27 PM

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ah nice info

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running without page file with 64-bit and 16GB of RAM isn't going to work well if anyone is doing that 😛

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runs out of memory in a minute just like expected. I tested it only to see that happening. normally I've page file set on SSD

timber sorrel Dec 14, 2016, 5:51 PM

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Well it insta crashes on windows 10 insider but works OK with vanila win10

tulip bane Dec 14, 2016, 7:02 PM

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man the 12/12km view distance is so smooth

past moon Dec 14, 2016, 7:38 PM

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@timber sorrel report it to Microsoft 😉

timber sorrel Dec 14, 2016, 7:42 PM

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http://puu.sh/sPy7H/4e116f118b.png

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lol

past moon Dec 14, 2016, 8:34 PM

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@tulip bane 😉 try 44km ... over Altis or Tanoa

tulip bane Dec 14, 2016, 9:49 PM

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@past moon I tried earlier 50km but it crashed my game 😄

timber sorrel Dec 14, 2016, 9:52 PM

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how's the 64-bit client so far lol

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haven't fired it up yet

timber sorrel Dec 14, 2016, 11:49 PM

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So whats the proper protocol with me testing this dev-branch?

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What do I do if the game say crashes?

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@past moon

timber sorrel Dec 15, 2016, 2:59 AM

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@past moon I have definitely noticed a considerable improvement in performance in regards to a lot of activity going on.

cloud comet Dec 15, 2016, 2:59 AM

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What do I do if the game say crashes?

The thing you'd do if it crashed on the main branch.

timber sorrel Dec 15, 2016, 2:59 AM

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I used to go all the way down to 27 FPS in 32bit versions with YAAB

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I get average of 40.5 FPS now

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So there is definite improvement.

cloud comet Dec 15, 2016, 3:00 AM

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https://feedback.bistudio.com/w/ft_a3_howto/gamecrash/

timber sorrel Dec 15, 2016, 3:05 AM

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@cloud comet Got a problem with arma 3 now.

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The single-core clock performance problems just got worse.

candid dew Dec 15, 2016, 6:31 AM

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@timber sorrel From 27 to 40 in YAAB? The difference shouldn't be that big IMO. Unless you're running the game from HDD?

timber sorrel Dec 15, 2016, 6:53 AM

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I7-5820K ?

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Could have something to do with?

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it?

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All I know is YAAB definitely ran worse before.

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@candid dew

candid dew Dec 15, 2016, 7:41 AM

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I don't think the CPU explains the difference. But I know going from HDD to SSD improves the result a lot. So the increased amount of usable RAM in 64bit could also make such a big impact on YAAB. Sort of compensating the slow disk reads.

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So do you have the game on HDD?

past moon Dec 15, 2016, 9:45 AM

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crashes, anyone ? 🔬

cloud comet Dec 15, 2016, 9:46 AM

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https://feedback.bistudio.com/T122145 - Crash when switching maps Arma 3 X64

digital geyser Dec 15, 2016, 9:51 AM

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Ok, how do I FORCE my arma to NOT load any mods?

cloud comet Dec 15, 2016, 9:53 AM

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How do you start Arma 3? If it is via the Arma 3 Launcher then press the drop down arrow next to "Play" and select "Play without mods", @digital geyser.

digital geyser Dec 15, 2016, 9:54 AM

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yes, one would think that is the sollution, but if I start arma3 with the launcher first it default to a pre saved mod set.. second it doesn't start 64bit even if i deselect all.. When i force start just the exe 64bit it suddenly wants to load cba..

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I just deleted the whole arma3 root folder content and i will let steam verify and download

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I'm about to delete all

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for some reason it's getting start up parameters from somewhere

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@cloud comet :(

cloud comet Dec 15, 2016, 9:57 AM

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@digital geyser, check that you have not set launch options for Arma 3 via Steam.

digital geyser Dec 15, 2016, 9:57 AM

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i did check.. and no

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It just downloaded 36 files.. lets see

cloud comet Dec 15, 2016, 9:58 AM

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Arma 3 Launcher: Try restore default parameters and unload all mods.

digital geyser Dec 15, 2016, 10:01 AM

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http://kuningaskunta.fi/~jonekone/wasteland/arma_parameters.png

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next i will try your advice

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ok now, i'm back to the batle eye loop

cloud comet Dec 15, 2016, 10:03 AM

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D:

digital geyser Dec 15, 2016, 10:04 AM

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My brain is frying.. too little arma.. and too much excitement over 64bit version that i can't even test.. I will now f ing destroy all arma files ouh wait my koth profile

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=) shoudn't have installed dev build

tulip bane Dec 15, 2016, 10:12 AM

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seems like memory isn't cleared well after changing map. I saw over 7GB of VRAM usage and game crashed soon. I'll send reports later and try to repro the thing

timber sorrel Dec 15, 2016, 10:13 AM

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@digital geyser Hello again sir, could you pls send me Launcher logs (Options / export Launcher logs to desktop)

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(and game troubleshooting report might be helpful too)

digital geyser Dec 15, 2016, 10:21 AM

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@timber sorrel i'm sorry i just deleted the whole steam folder... currently redownloading 19GB i'm hoping it will help

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I will upload if it persists

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@timber sorrel Sorry for causing you this grief.. :(

timber sorrel Dec 15, 2016, 10:43 AM

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@digital geyser You are not missing out on a lot

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I tried it.

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I did notice smoother FPS

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but not much else.

digital geyser Dec 15, 2016, 10:49 AM

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@timber sorrel http://kuningaskunta.fi/~jonekone/wasteland/debug/

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screw me

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with dwardens BE files it doesn't want to start 64bit arma3

timber sorrel Dec 15, 2016, 11:20 AM

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Sorry, I don't know what is in the Dwarden's BE files (but I'll ask him), but you need the new version of BE that was released to dev-branch with 64-bit game. The old version of BE is not compatible.

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So apparently, Dwarden's BE files are for profiling branch. They are not compatible with dev-branch and 64-bit game.

cloud comet Dec 15, 2016, 12:43 PM

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What's the current download size from 1.66 to 1.67?

digital geyser Dec 15, 2016, 12:46 PM

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@timber sorrel Yeah, for some reason, BE doesn't want to update to the correct files.. it just loops and re downloads constantly

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5.4gb

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GB even =)

cloud comet Dec 15, 2016, 12:47 PM

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👌 👍

past moon Dec 15, 2016, 4:40 PM

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new DEV branch update https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/140837-development-branch-changelog/?do=findComment&comment=3128425

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Development Branch Changelog

05-12-2016 EXE rev. 139546 (game) EXE rev. 139548 (launcher) Size: ~1.5 GB (depends on Apex ownership) DATA Fixed: Swimming would make no sound Fi...

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including engine and launcher fixes related to 64-bit

digital geyser Dec 15, 2016, 8:56 PM

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nice

tulip bane Dec 15, 2016, 10:24 PM

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64-bit crash https://feedback.bistudio.com/T122186

cloud comet Dec 16, 2016, 2:52 AM

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https://feedback.bistudio.com/T122164 - Crash
User is on development branch using 64-bit.exe.

past moon Dec 16, 2016, 11:10 AM

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updated #Arma3 startup commands BIKI doc with actual usage at 1.66.> -maxmem= , to put an end to another Urban Myth https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Startup_Parameters#Performance

Arma 3 Startup Parameters

past moon Dec 16, 2016, 1:44 PM

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updated -maxVRAM= description too just for sure 😉

unreal cypress Dec 16, 2016, 7:16 PM

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https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/140837-development-branch-changelog/?do=findComment&comment=3128859

Added: Sensor Overhaul 
Added: Airplanes Hitpoints Extension

candid dew Dec 16, 2016, 7:18 PM

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https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/200469-jets-hitpoints/
https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/200468-jets-custom-info/
https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/200467-jets-sensor-overhaul/

unreal cypress Dec 16, 2016, 7:33 PM

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I missed those, nice find

candid dew Dec 16, 2016, 7:56 PM

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Normally, I couldn't care less about planes in Arma, but this adds such an interesting dimension to flying that it's starting to sound lot more interesting.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna take to skies on my 64bit. I'll try to be back before christmas! 😃

oak pebble Dec 16, 2016, 8:08 PM

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anywne know what 'Custom Display Information ' is?

tame rover Dec 16, 2016, 8:35 PM

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@Adanteh#0761 it's this https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/200468-jets-custom-info/

candid dew Dec 16, 2016, 8:36 PM

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"Custom because it allows you to pick in the game which ones you want to have displayed. Custom also because creates a framework for modders to use - more about that later on wiki."

terse delta Dec 16, 2016, 11:22 PM

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Is trackir broken / disabled in the 64 bit version? Or is something with my setup wrong?

past moon Dec 17, 2016, 2:11 AM

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btw. i hope everyone noticed last DEV and https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/140837-development-branch-changelog/?page=38#comment-3128859
Added: New animation sources for airplanes:
"aileronTLeftDamaged"
"aileronTRightDamaged"
"aileronBLeftDamaged"
"aileronBRightDamaged"
and some first tidbits from jets ;)
https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/200467-jets-sensor-overhaul/
https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/200469-jets-hitpoints/
https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/200468-jets-custom-info/

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Development Branch Changelog

05-12-2016 EXE rev. 139546 (game) EXE rev. 139548 (launcher) Size: ~1.5 GB (depends on Apex ownership) DATA Fixed: Swimming would make no sound Fi...

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Jets - Sensor overhaul

Magic radar is dead, long live the feature-creep! Before we start I recommend you to reset your keybinds to A3 or Apex preset (and dump all the ...

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Jets - Hitpoints

Flying jets in combat used to be quite binary in Arma. You fly or die. We herd you like hitpoints, so we put more hitpoints in your airplane so you can ...

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Jets - Custom info

Before we start I recommend you to reset your keybinds to A3 or Apex preset (and dump all the hours you've spent customizing them) - otherwise you'll see ...

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cloud comet Dec 17, 2016, 2:16 AM

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MFW: 😮

cloud comet Dec 17, 2016, 2:38 AM

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https://feedback.bistudio.com/T122114 - CRASH
Dev branch - 32-bit.

cloud comet Dec 17, 2016, 2:55 AM

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https://feedback.bistudio.com/T122224 - Memory Read Error
Dev branch - 64-bit.

bleak canopy Dec 17, 2016, 6:24 AM

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Fixed Wing showcase with new jet features https://youtu.be/un3BDVzY6Uk?t=48

cloud comet Dec 17, 2016, 11:02 AM

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Thanks for the video.

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https://feedback.bistudio.com/T122235 - [1.67 DEV] CTD with the 64 Bit A3 exe
Dev branch - 64-bit.

formal dome Dec 20, 2016, 4:19 PM

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Ref: Dedicated environment. The new arma3server_x64.exe in the dev branch does not want to authenticate with the steam servers. If I run the new arma3_x64.exe with -server switch that authenticates just fine. Firewall is all setup for both.

past moon Dec 22, 2016, 9:29 AM

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@formal dome i think it's bug, try this: run arma3server_x64.exe binary with steam client installed and just running in memory (no need to have account logged)

formal dome Dec 22, 2016, 9:30 AM

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Rgr thx dwarden

past moon Dec 22, 2016, 9:30 AM

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it was ok in previous dev release so there is something 'not right' to be forced for such solution but at least it work

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also for me it does happen with both 32 and 64bit dedicated server binaries

formal dome Dec 22, 2016, 9:31 AM

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Thx for the info I'll give it a go

past moon Dec 22, 2016, 10:00 AM

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so, are you ready for performance binaries for development branch ? 😉

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channeling magic

autumn sage Dec 22, 2016, 10:02 AM

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https://feedback.bistudio.com/T122322

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dropdowns in modules are a bit screwed in the DEV branch

past moon Dec 22, 2016, 10:03 AM

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@autumn sage thanks for the report but i'm sure that must wait till next year 😉

autumn sage Dec 22, 2016, 10:03 AM

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it's not my report but yes I know, just thought I'd bring a little attention to it ^^

past moon Dec 22, 2016, 10:22 AM

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it's time for some xmas surprise, DEV branch got performance binaries 😇
https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/200359-64-bit-executables-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=3131230

Bohemia Interactive Forums

64-bit Executables Feedback

7 minutes ago, BenitoWBAT said: rly? cuz my update was 15gb and i had to delete my mods to be able to install the 64bit version... ...

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thus you may test the fixes for -enableHT, -cpuCount= and new command-line parameter -HugePages

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note: those were already available in #perf_prof_branch since monday

autumn sage Jan 4, 2017, 12:01 PM

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@past moon seems that https://feedback.bistudio.com/T122322 is still there after the last couple of updates 🙁

past moon Jan 4, 2017, 3:29 PM

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todays DEV : *Tweaked: The 64-bit executable now supports 64-bit FreeTrack and TrackIR DLLs

void magnet Jan 4, 2017, 4:25 PM

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👏 👏 👏

verbal ginkgo Jan 5, 2017, 3:17 PM

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is there any chance we could get counter clockwise loiter command for UAV terminal?

hollow shard Jan 6, 2017, 1:22 PM

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So how are the 64bit servers

timber sorrel Jan 6, 2017, 5:44 PM

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they run ok

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not loaded 1 up with players yet

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but seems to run ok

low stream Jan 6, 2017, 7:24 PM

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hmm i see only 2 DEV servers

low stream Jan 7, 2017, 4:29 PM

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New DEV 64bit Domination server set up if any wanna try the DEV 64bit in mp coop - search HUD in serverbrowser.

timber sorrel Jan 9, 2017, 10:35 PM

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i take it the perf RC exes are now not needed.

supple furnace Jan 10, 2017, 9:12 AM

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@past moon how do you setup dev server? Is it possible for developers to have access to server devbranch if any and if not care to explain how to do it? Would be usefull for testing under dev or RC build.

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Or its just copy of Arma dev build to separate folder and launch the server from there? I assume this cant be done on linux anyway.

past moon Jan 10, 2017, 9:22 AM

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there was none and is no DEV server data branch, just client, use arma3.exe -server or arma3_x64.exe -server

supple furnace Jan 10, 2017, 9:58 AM

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yeah thought so wont work for me Im on nix

verbal ginkgo Jan 12, 2017, 10:13 AM

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@neat cosmos couple of suggestions regarding the sensors:

could we get bearings degrees around the edge of sensors?
I'm not sure how display distance is handled. Is 2km by default the maximum range of the sensor? if not then if the target/contact is beyond the display range (but still in range of the sensor) it should be indicated with a small arrow around the edge of the sensor

neat cosmos Jan 12, 2017, 10:21 AM

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good points.

2km is default for compatibility/legacy. The indicator on edge is something we wanted, but it proved technically complicated and unlikely to happen :/

Otoh - a bit unrelated - indicators retained on edge if they are out of FoR was something recently added to MFD (HUD) tech.

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you mean bearings of horizontal min/max of the sensor cone?

verbal ginkgo Jan 12, 2017, 10:26 AM

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I mean a simple 360 compas like thing like in the old radar, so eats easier to get your bearings

neat cosmos Jan 12, 2017, 10:28 AM

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should already be on dev 😉

verbal ginkgo Jan 12, 2017, 10:28 AM

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didnt see it

neat cosmos Jan 12, 2017, 10:29 AM

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oh, sry, not yet. Today probably

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you see the HDG letters on sensor display?

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That control is fed from engine with heading numbers.

verbal ginkgo Jan 12, 2017, 10:30 AM

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no I didnt see those

neat cosmos Jan 12, 2017, 10:30 AM

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(since engine rev. 139945)

verbal ginkgo Jan 12, 2017, 10:31 AM

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aslo having heading on radar and stuff would help out in reporting bearings f the contacs

neat cosmos Jan 12, 2017, 10:32 AM

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📎 Desktop_01.12.2017_-_11.29.47.02.png

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is this what u meant?

verbal ginkgo Jan 12, 2017, 10:32 AM

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what if contact is to your left? i undestand the heading is you vehicle's heading

neat cosmos Jan 12, 2017, 10:32 AM

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it's your turret's heading

verbal ginkgo Jan 12, 2017, 10:34 AM

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as for the edge indicator, no sure if would be possilbe, but just freezing the contact display when it reaches the edge could work pretty well. Like you have a check to see if the distance is more than the sensor display then the reported range is simply set to the edge somewhat like this:

if real range > max sensor display range
then
display range = max sensor display range (so target appears at the edge of the sensor)
else
display range = real range

I do realise this much more complicated and I'm n00b at scripting

verbal ginkgo Jan 12, 2017, 10:51 AM

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@neat cosmos as for the bearings I meant something like this:
http://i.imgur.com/7XvWu8I.jpg

neat cosmos Jan 12, 2017, 10:53 AM

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I see

verbal ginkgo Jan 13, 2017, 4:57 AM

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a suggestion for jets DLC: have planes use the auto-hover button to engage wing level. This way player can keep the plane flying level when using TGP and stuff

sage plinth Jan 14, 2017, 6:30 PM

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you mean autopilot?

junior panther Jan 15, 2017, 10:23 AM

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Hi, I'm trying to run arma3_x64 and arma3diag_x64.exe from my separate dev branch folder installed by Game Updater, but neither starts the game, just a process consuming 1,8 Mb of RAM. I'm able to start the 64bit game through dev branch launcher with no problems. My goal is to use diagnostics to play with configs of my custom terrain. Am I missing something here?

tame rover Jan 15, 2017, 10:34 AM

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have you restarted steam since running game updater?

junior panther Jan 15, 2017, 10:57 AM

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Hah, silly me! Ofc I didn't restart steam. Now I rebooted whole pc and it works. Cheers! : )

junior panther Jan 15, 2017, 11:49 AM

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When using diag_mergeConfigFile, my terrain's config file is changing(checked from config viewer),
but my clutter doesn't change visually. Before merging updated config.cpp, I imported my cfgSurfaces from separate cfgSurfaces.h file to the updated config.cpp. Originally my terrain's config.cpp had just "#include cfgSurfaces.h"-line in it. Could it be the cause?

tame rover Jan 15, 2017, 12:03 PM

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are you reloading the island? Most changes don't take place until mission restart rather than happening in real time, but I guess with islands it might be only when reloading the terrain

junior panther Jan 15, 2017, 12:08 PM

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I restarted the mission everytime from ingame. Didn't go to main menu or anything like that, though.

tame rover Jan 15, 2017, 12:23 PM

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Would try that or load the VR map in the editor (probably the fastest to load) then load your island again

junior panther Jan 15, 2017, 2:38 PM

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Thanks for the tips. Tried that but no dice. All loading screen texts(etc.) will change but nothing on actual terrain. I tried the classical way of just extracting the pbo and packing it after editing the config.cpp. That way it worked, so I atleast have something ; )

scarlet root Jan 16, 2017, 6:52 PM

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@Hinkkiz#3873 it should work for terrain configs too

junior panther Jan 16, 2017, 7:58 PM

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@scarlet root I can see modified clutter configs from "Config Viewer" ingame so it somehow works. But my actual rendered clutter doesn't change at all, not even after restarting mission or restarting Eden. I will keep trying to figure it out.

scarlet root Jan 16, 2017, 7:59 PM

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what exactly do you try to update?

junior panther Jan 16, 2017, 8:39 PM

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I try to update CfgSurfaceCharacters. I want to try different clutter probabilities and amounts. In my earlier failed test I tried to change field's clutter density by changing probability from 1 to 0.5.

scarlet root Jan 16, 2017, 8:58 PM

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some parameter get merged into the wrp during binarization

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not sure if thats true for CfgSurfaceCharacters

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it could be the case if the engine is meant to show the exact same clutter composition for everyone in MP

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not sure if thats true for CfgSurfaceCharacters

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unless the distribution algorithm has no randomness to it

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that said you should test with way more extreme differences to make sure your change is just too insignificant

junior panther Jan 17, 2017, 4:02 PM

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okay thanks! I will look into that : )

verbal ginkgo Jan 19, 2017, 10:46 AM

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how do set up the new patrol module thingy? I can't see it in the editor

autumn sage Jan 19, 2017, 11:18 AM

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it should show a couple of modules in the modules list I think

autumn sage Jan 23, 2017, 5:12 PM

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@past moon any kind of word on https://feedback.bistudio.com/T122322 ? It seems to be still present in the current dev build 🙁

autumn sage Jan 24, 2017, 10:53 AM

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Alwin claimed this task.
yay 🤗

timber sorrel Jan 25, 2017, 7:07 AM

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i wonder why he closed the ticket since the problem is not solved yet..

crisp wyvern Jan 25, 2017, 7:33 AM

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@scenic gyro @light lintel but also for guided-weapon modders

For what it's worth I took a look at the PCML ammo config (M_NLAW_AT_F) after it came up in the dev branch changelog, and now it's got a 5 degrees horizontal/vertical visual sensor with minRange = 500;/minRange = 800; before range modifiers (i.e. visualTargetSize or view distance) for both air/ground-silhouetted targets, seems not to have issues with distinguishing targets from ground clutter and can 'specific vehicle type' (not just 'vehicle role') vehicles at 2 km, but also only able to detect targets moving at/up to 120 km/h... this apparently overrides airLock = 0; / irLock = 1; / laserLock = 0; / nvLock = 0;

As importantly, thanks to new properties in M_NLAW_AT_F, the PCML's also able to start locking a target within 5 degrees of the ammo's current direction and can lock a target which is within 20 to 600 meters and moving at up to 80 km/h, although it can detect/track targets further out or moving faster up to the effective limits of its visual sensor in the given situation.

light lintel Jan 25, 2017, 12:05 PM

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so it's kinda multi-purpose now? But narrow fov and limited range

dire reef Jan 28, 2017, 2:50 AM

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My entire missilebox no longer works with dev branch..it actually crashes the game and I don't really know why..any ideas

crisp wyvern Jan 28, 2017, 2:15 PM

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@dire reef Any chance you've got the RPT corresponding to the latest CTD handy?

dire reef Jan 29, 2017, 9:14 PM

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Hey I got it fixed

crisp wyvern Jan 29, 2017, 9:42 PM

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Great! What was your solution?

verbal ginkgo Feb 1, 2017, 9:35 AM

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@neat cosmos the laser sensor template seems to not function as well as laserScanner = true;. On my AC-130 with the laser designator sensor component, using SensorTemplateLaser, I routinely lose lock on the laser marker. Whereas if I only have laserScanner = true I never had such issue.
Is it possible to make the new laser sensor to be as perfect as the old laserScanner?

neat cosmos Feb 1, 2017, 11:33 AM

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just to confirm - this is not RC related?

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can we take it to configs?

verbal ginkgo Feb 2, 2017, 2:26 AM

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@neat cosmos It kinda is, as it is tied to the new sensors stuff and I'm on dev, but if you want to then ok

neat cosmos Feb 2, 2017, 1:51 PM

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honestly I'm not quite familiar with the different groups, but I'd expect RC to be Release Candidate thread (patch RC). Sensors won't get there yet 😉

autumn sage Feb 2, 2017, 3:20 PM

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@neat cosmos /topic is "Discussion related to DEVELOPMENT and Release Candidate branches" 😛

tame rover Feb 2, 2017, 3:22 PM

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Time to add another channel!

lavish basalt Feb 2, 2017, 3:30 PM

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GOD NO!

past moon Feb 2, 2017, 3:46 PM

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the point of it being merged with RC is that RC is short lived ... usually 2 weeks hence majority of time it's DEV discussion

crisp wyvern Feb 3, 2017, 7:58 AM

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@light lintel I just realized that as of the Thursday 2 February 2017 build the Buzzard's gained IR (though not visual) to go with its (air-optimized) active radar... shorter range/narrower coverage (3 km, 30 x 30 degrees, 10 degrees of which is above the nose/long axis of the fuselage and 20 degrees thereof below) than the Neophron/Wipeout's IR (4 km, 60 x 60 degrees, 20 above/40 below) but it's still a passive sensor for the Buzzard to go "silent hunting" with (no pun intended)

light lintel Feb 3, 2017, 8:36 AM

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BTW i was told that visual sensors appear to be more effective than IR

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probably shouldn't be the case, since they'd involve image processing and stuff

crisp wyvern Feb 3, 2017, 2:46 PM

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@light lintel oukej has specified a lot of possible drawbacks to visual though versus a primary benefit of 'doesn't need a heated up target'

past moon Feb 9, 2017, 12:36 PM

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1.68 RC01 https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/183855-release-candidate-branch-announcements/?do=findComment&comment=3150728

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Release Candidate Branch Announcements

In this thread we'll post announcements about Release Candidates (RC) of future main branch updates. That includes the opening of the RC-Branch ahead of an u...

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hushed pagoda Feb 9, 2017, 12:47 PM

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is dynamic simulation included?

autumn sage Feb 9, 2017, 1:26 PM

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uh didn't that make it in to 1.66?

hushed pagoda Feb 9, 2017, 1:55 PM

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only the commands without usage

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the system itself was in dev branch tho

karmic jolt Feb 9, 2017, 2:39 PM

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is there any servers ?

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RC branch ?

candid dew Feb 9, 2017, 3:41 PM

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No official servers yet

bleak rivet Feb 9, 2017, 7:17 PM

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Tested the 64-Bit Client for some hours now: Worked nice for me! Currently testing the 64-Bit-Server Version....

bleak rivet Feb 9, 2017, 7:41 PM

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If anyone encounter the error "Missing MSVCP140.dll" (http://imgur.com/a/YqV5m) too, just install the "Visual C++ Redistributable for Visual Studio 2015" (https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/download/details.aspx?id=48145). This is the easiest way to get rid of it! 😉

autumn sage Feb 9, 2017, 7:44 PM

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^ do make sure to download the 64-bit one 😛

timber sorrel Feb 9, 2017, 8:00 PM

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is that for launcher or arma3 ?

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am kinda hoping arma3 will require vc2015

bleak rivet Feb 9, 2017, 8:05 PM

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@timber sorrel My 64-Bit Server needed that files. For the launcher I am not sure, as this files were installed by default on my workstation.

timber sorrel Feb 9, 2017, 8:06 PM

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Ahh nice thanks

bleak rivet Feb 9, 2017, 8:08 PM

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Tested 64-Bit Client with 32-Bit Server: Works smooth! But I am unable to test 64-Bit-server, as my client says "Steam Authentication Failed" when I try to join. The server wont show up in the server list (only direct connect is possible) too. I have also noticed that the server Console (console! NOT Log) with 32-Bit displays the following line at startup 20:06:29 Game Port: 2342, Steam Query Port: 2343, but my 64-Bit server doesn't display this line. Maybe that's the problem? Maybe it is just for RC? RPT: 20:44:11 Client: Staynex - Kicked off because of invalid ticket: Invalid ticket - Ticket invalid Console: 21:06:00 BattlEye Server: Player #0 Staynex (IP) connected 21:06:01 Player Staynex connecting. 21:06:03 Player Staynex connected (id=ID). 21:06:03 Player Staynex disconnected. 21:06:03 BattlEye Server: Player #0 Staynex disconnected -_- Any ideas how to fix that or how I could connect? (Internal Ticket ID: https://armajunkies.atlassian.net/browse/AJWL-157) EDIT: I found the following line at the beginning of my .rpt: 18:26:20 SteamAPI initialization failed. Steam features won't be accessible!

timber sorrel Feb 10, 2017, 2:18 AM

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Arma3Launcher seems to have a bug on the rc build (i don't really use it on stable to be honest)
http://puu.sh/tWdkl/6d3518dc85.png
Basically all 8 cores were closed to maxed untill i killed process
edit: From glance at logs, might be caused by me deleting addon files while launcher was scanning the files. Maybe stuck in loop trying to rescan files

scarlet root Feb 10, 2017, 5:46 AM

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@timber sorrel

timber sorrel Feb 10, 2017, 7:32 AM

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@timber sorrel Could you please send me the logs?

candid dew Feb 10, 2017, 12:40 PM

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Will there be official servers for the release candidate? Combat patrol possibly?

pliant forum Feb 10, 2017, 1:18 PM

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Had a weird thing last night. Trying to use Game Updater from A3 Tools to get a second install of A3 on the box for testing purposes but wasn't able to get the RC code to be recognized until I went back to regular Arma login on steam. Anyone else have this happen?

full sonnet Feb 10, 2017, 1:33 PM

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Btw will x64 Linux server be a thing on 1.68 release? Or will that come later?

past moon Feb 10, 2017, 2:10 PM

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@full sonnet @timber sorrel 64-bit for linux unsure atm. still quite crash-bugs in nix server binaries

cloud comet Feb 11, 2017, 12:41 AM

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arma3server.rpt

10:31:18 Warning Message: You cannot play/edit this mission; it is dependent on downloadable content that has been deleted.
a3_characters_f

That warning is still here in 1.68.140365 RC01.

scarlet root Feb 11, 2017, 6:11 AM

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@cloud comet i posted already in the RC thread but would be good if you could do too

cloud comet Feb 11, 2017, 10:41 AM

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I commented in the respective feedback tracker issue (https://feedback.bistudio.com/T121712).

timber sorrel Feb 11, 2017, 2:20 PM

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Crash dumps for RC Builds go where? Thanks

past moon Feb 11, 2017, 3:10 PM

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known issue with 1.68 RC arma3server_x64.exe , it seems the STEAMworks API isn't initializing, the workaround is to install STEAMclient and run it at login screen (no need login)

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32-bit seems to not be affected by this problem and thus workaround isn't needed (similar bug existed in DEV branch for 32-bit and was resolved some week ago)

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@cloud comet thanks ye i noticed that too

bleak rivet Feb 11, 2017, 6:47 PM

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@past moon Thanks! I'll try that tomorrow!

crisp wyvern Feb 11, 2017, 10:39 PM

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@neat cosmos Probably bug: unable to change the underwing stores on the Wipeout (Dynamic Loadout) left wing only? Right underwing stores dropdown fields all seem to work normally

bleak rivet Feb 12, 2017, 3:07 PM

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@past moon Regarding the 64-Bit and Steam-API: Thanks! Your workaround worked for my dev Server! But the logs still show some steam errors: RPT: 16:02:01 Unable to initialize Steam API. 16:02:01 SteamAPI initialization failed. Steam features won't be accessible! Console: 16:06:49 Warning: Current Steam AppId: doesn't match expected value: 107410 Anyway, I am able to connect now - so lets test it!

bleak rivet Feb 12, 2017, 3:33 PM

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64-Bit Server is working smooth! Finished all my tests.

timber sorrel Feb 12, 2017, 6:10 PM

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Will make up repo + ticket later.
But using _unit setSpeaker "NoVoice"; in a unit init eventhandler will cause segfault.

past moon Feb 12, 2017, 8:38 PM

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@bleak rivet np, glad it works for you too

timber sorrel Feb 12, 2017, 11:55 PM

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https://feedback.bistudio.com/T123332

verbal ginkgo Feb 13, 2017, 9:34 AM

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With the new sensors I miss some kind of compass that old system had for vehicles. Especially since you cannot open the compass inside the vehicle like you can do on foot. It would be great if the new sensors got a compass indicator/overlay (NSEW + angles) or if you could open the personal compass inside the vehicle

scenic gyro Feb 13, 2017, 11:10 AM

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none of my compasses are terribly accurate inside my car, hate to think how they'd cope inside a big steel box on wheels

verbal ginkgo Feb 13, 2017, 11:16 AM

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so?

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That does not mean I have to be completely unable to get any bearings when I'm inside a vehicle

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All I ask for now is the ability to view the compass like I'm on foot

tame rover Feb 13, 2017, 12:01 PM

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The sensor displays have a numerical heading value 0/360 = N, 90 = E, 180 = S, 270 = W

verbal ginkgo Feb 13, 2017, 12:19 PM

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yeah, but its not as readable as the compas

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it would be great if the values were added to the rada wheel background

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like this: http://i.imgur.com/KwVP3wH.jpg

light lintel Feb 13, 2017, 8:27 PM

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@past moon
Added: New speedZomMaxSpeed and speedZoomMaxFOV view parameters
is there a typo in the dev branch changelog or is the actual command speedZomMaxSpeed ? (zom instead of zoom)

crisp wyvern Feb 13, 2017, 9:49 PM

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@light lintel Speaking of dev branch changelog, notice the line about drones sharing acquired targets via datalink?

light lintel Feb 13, 2017, 10:23 PM

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Yes, I did! Should make them interesting to use now. (I also wonder if that applies for the darter?)

scenic gyro Feb 14, 2017, 10:44 AM

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That's a great addition, makes drones much more useful in small teams or singleplayer

crisp wyvern Feb 14, 2017, 7:55 PM

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@light lintel @scenic gyro Here's my trip report: https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/200467-jets-sensor-overhaul/?do=findComment&comment=3152751
Stuck a Tayran (CSAT AR-2) and an ammo-less Xi'an with a UAV Terminal-equipped pilot behind a hill, the active radar off and the gunner-operated IR/visual sensor pointed away from where I'd stuck three Hummingbirds and a HEMTT Ammo on the other side of the hill some distance away... once the Tayran had moved into position to detect them their hollowed symbols appeared, and though I couldn't mark them they had been identified by the Tayran enough for me to tell my AI gunner to target them via the (complex) command menu in anticipation of a "pop-up" attack, leading to the gunner pointing the turret with its sensors in their direction.

light lintel Feb 14, 2017, 8:47 PM

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interesting!

light lintel Feb 16, 2017, 6:07 PM

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Tweaked: Jets can now perform sharper turns
weren't they sharp enough already? 😄

crisp wyvern Feb 16, 2017, 6:34 PM

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@light lintel @scenic gyro https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/202173-dynamic-vehicle-loadouts-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=3153665
The Plamen gunpods, Scalpel, DAGR and AMRAAMs were made accessible in the loadout menu in todays's dev Branch update, even if it's not mentioned on the changelog. The Plamens are described as a "Test" in the UI, so it might only be interim that these are available for the Wipeout.

scenic gyro Feb 16, 2017, 6:41 PM

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interesting - didn't even think about gunpods

crisp wyvern Feb 16, 2017, 6:52 PM

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@scenic gyro The BIKI previously mentioned that the system was supposed to be "future-compatible" but no mention of when until today's reveal

scenic gyro Feb 16, 2017, 7:06 PM

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I'm almost glad that I'm out of the country for a few weeks, it's pretty tiring getting excited by each of these little reveals 😃

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They've gone well beyond what I expected with the engine changes for this DLC. I wonder if we're going to see the same for the other DLCs

light lintel Feb 16, 2017, 7:11 PM

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One can hope!

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And yeah, people in our community have been dreaming of 10 gun pods for the past few days 😂

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Really happy with how this is shaping up, I don't even care about which planes they intro in the DLC, they're all effectively multirole now

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apart from sensor limitations, of course

upbeat granite Feb 16, 2017, 8:08 PM

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Hey someone quick ? How to update to RC?

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what is the steam code thingy

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should also be in the notes / description @past moon

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found it Arma3Update168RC

cloud comet Feb 18, 2017, 12:51 AM

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There's a 4.4 GB update for 1.68 RC02 (client), but I don't see a change log.

unreal cypress Feb 18, 2017, 1:03 AM

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I didn't see it updated in the changelog either, but in Skype Iceman said
"the update contains mostly fixes on structures (data wise), adding some missing strings and couple of crash fixes and fixes connected to weapon switching"

cloud comet Feb 18, 2017, 1:05 AM

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👌 👍

crisp wyvern Feb 18, 2017, 3:27 PM

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Not sure if on-topic since it's about community modding, but one cool thing about Bohemia leaning so hard on config-based/minimum-of-model-access-required for Jets systems: granQ who you may know for Swedish Forces Pack has unveiled seeming-first public screenshots of the air vehicle loadout system in both "community jet" and "community weapons on vanilla jet" use:
https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/202173-dynamic-vehicle-loadouts-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=3154294

tame rover Feb 18, 2017, 5:07 PM

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Note that he mentions that he hasn't been able to get the setup to show on his own made jet though. He's gotten the Attributes/UI applied but he's having some difficulty with understanding the needs of the jet model itself

crisp wyvern Feb 18, 2017, 5:29 PM

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@tame rover True, though I guess that there's a disconnect between the BIKI article and 'understanding imparted on non-dev from reading it'...?

tame rover Feb 18, 2017, 6:01 PM

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I imagine so. Or Binarise needs to be equipped to do it with a potentially new .p3d version

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I dare say Test_Plane_01 will be updated at some point with dynamic loadout in mind, to serve as an example

void magnet Feb 18, 2017, 6:11 PM

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🤣

crisp wyvern Feb 18, 2017, 6:17 PM

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@tame rover Rather looking forward to that possibility... although I must note (re: Binarise) that we already have community-stores-on-vanilla aircraft so that's a positive sign re: whether or not a new p3d type is involved

silk cargo Feb 19, 2017, 4:01 PM

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anyone else having a gamecrash when you try to delete a occupied vehicle in editor?

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on latest dev branche

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arma3.exe

severe nimbus Feb 20, 2017, 3:39 PM

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@silk cargo it happened to me a few times while trying out radar in the editor ... provide them with the error log if you can ...

silk cargo Feb 20, 2017, 3:39 PM

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it is CTD without even a crash file

crisp shell Feb 21, 2017, 3:16 PM

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is there a new tail rotor kill script with the RC as we are getting cloned units that get killed by the tail rotor

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and if so is there a way to disable this

tailBladeCenter = "rotor_02_center";
tailBladeRadius = 0.5;
tailBladeVertical = 1;

timber sorrel Feb 21, 2017, 3:29 PM

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Seen that bug with current arma.
Easy enough to repo
Basically the clients getting confused over if unit is dead

crisp shell Feb 21, 2017, 3:30 PM

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yer but i replaced the whole arma handel dammage so it should not effect my players and only happens with the tail rotor of the choppers

timber sorrel Feb 21, 2017, 3:32 PM

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Yeah you could try submit a bug report.
I just lack motivation because they will want repo mission aswell

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But that bug has been in the atleast 1-2 arma versions

crisp shell Feb 21, 2017, 3:35 PM

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Ontop of that they ignore you when you try and talk to any of them this is why i stopped trying to help along time ago

crisp shell Feb 21, 2017, 3:52 PM

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Here is another strange bug if you load the 64bit client without the arma3 launcher so no battleye it asks you to enable it then it reverts to the 32bit exe with the 64 bit as a parm

First launch
http://pastebin.com/HkbEib2z

Reload after hitting i agree to restart with battleye
http://pastebin.com/GQZmzj12

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crisp wyvern Feb 21, 2017, 10:56 PM

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@scenic gyro @void magnet @light lintel As per the dev branch changelog, now the AH-99 Blackfoot has Dynamic Loadout support

void magnet Feb 21, 2017, 10:57 PM

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wonder how many missiles we can put on that 😄

tame rover Feb 21, 2017, 10:58 PM

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only 6

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it doesn't support the new 3x and 4x Scalpel pylons that the Wipeout has

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in case others didn't notice them: http://i.imgur.com/DhinXIZ.jpg

void magnet Feb 21, 2017, 11:03 PM

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well, boo... that Wipeout though. 😄

tame rover Feb 21, 2017, 11:07 PM

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Putting DAGR pods on the Wipeout is possibly even dafter though. Since those are laser-guided as well, and like 12 shots per pod

light lintel Feb 21, 2017, 11:11 PM

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would be cool to have DAGRs that don't lock (only SACLOS), for the wipeout, would make a fun mini-game for the pilot 😄

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@crisp wyvern aye, I saw 😃

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I wonder if the Jets DLC will bring two-seater jets

crisp wyvern Feb 21, 2017, 11:19 PM

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@light lintel That'd be an interesting dynamic to say the least

hollow shard Feb 22, 2017, 6:47 AM

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@past moon could you consider making dev branch entity(?) in steam library? Its really time consuming to switch from Dev to Standard builds all the time when testing new things out

crisp wyvern Feb 22, 2017, 7:36 AM

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@hollow shard Download the Arma 3 Tools, use Game Updater and you can maintain separate dev/standard builds simultaneously.

past moon Feb 22, 2017, 9:07 AM

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or just use steamcmd like me 😉 (^ the abuse use it just more end-use friendlier)

hollow shard Feb 22, 2017, 10:01 AM

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@crisp wyvern Thanks xD

crisp wyvern Feb 23, 2017, 5:53 AM

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@scenic gyro @void magnet @light lintel From the 22 February 2017 dev branch changelog:
Tweaked: Sensor displays now have 4 range modes (e.g. 4km, 2km, 16km, 8km)
Exactly what it sounds like, if you have the sensor display in either window selected then RCtrl+left-or-right-bracket-key will cycle through the aforementioned display resolutions
Tweaked: Increased Radar range of anti-air platforms and the Buzzard airplane
Cheetah/Tigris active radar now good out to 8 km vs. air background/5 km vs. ground background (type recognition at 4 km) and pointed 45 degrees upward with 100 degrees of vertical coverage; Buzzard active radar is 8 km vs. air/4 km vs. ground (type recognition at 3 km) plus horizontal coverage reduced by 25% to 90 degrees
Added: New sensors for the Titan AT, AA (both IR) and the Zephyr (Radar)
Both Titan versions' IR sensors have detect/track cones of only 7 degrees horizontal/4.5 degrees vertical and lock cones of 4 degrees, but the Titan (AA) can detect/track/lock out to 5 km with sky background or detect/track out to 3 km with ground background (min lock range 100 m) so long as the targets move 5 m above terrain level at up to 2500 km/h (lock @ up to 2000 km/h) while the Titan (AP/AT) can detect/track/lock out to 4 km (both sky/ground backgrounds, min lock range 50 m) but only if they're moving up to 120 km/h and can detect/track targets no higher than 100 m above terrain level, but it's more resistant to ground clutter than the Titan (AA)...
Tweaked: AA Titan now seeks targets automatically
No idea what's going on here, so far it seems all Titan ammo still has autoSeekTarget = 0; and lookSeekRadius = 0;

light lintel Feb 23, 2017, 6:53 AM

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Thanks for the write up, man! Some of those changes are really nice, some of them are puzzling. Will write more soon.

crisp wyvern Feb 23, 2017, 7:14 AM

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@light lintel Well hey, Hatchet's tried to get me to set up an Arma blog at least three times over the years I think, I think even dslyecxi brought up my... experience 😛 so this is something I'd like to try doing in lieu of one

crisp wyvern Feb 23, 2017, 7:41 AM

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@light lintel Edited my synopsis to include the Zephyr's new stats

light lintel Feb 23, 2017, 8:05 PM

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So my issues/concerns are:

what is the logic behind the Cheetah/Tigris/Buzzard's type recognition at 4km? Is this visual or radar based? If radar based, then why does distance make a difference? Additionally, if radar based, it's sorta weird, because if i'm not wrong you can only get a size estimate of a radar contact (i.e. you'll looking at the reflected signal from an object, it shouldn't be enough to tell you what it is - just its estimated size).
The titan stuff is weird. Isn't the Titan (AA) supposed to be a combination of both IR and optical detectors? In which case, why the different sky/ground background differences, and why a minimum lock range? I also think the lock ranges are excessive - should be capped to 3km imo (tbh i'd cap it to 2 km, but okay, 3km...) to avoid overlapping with vehicle AA roles.
Similarly, midly concerned about the Titan AT's 4km lock range. Current range is about 1.5 km i think, ideal would probably be 2km from a gameplay PoV. And yeah, IRL Javelin has effective range of 4.7 km... but for Arma, i don't know if it's not too much. Will AI be able to engage from 4km away? Again slightly concerned about the min lock range, I'm not sure why it's needed, or what the logic is?

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can detect/track targets no higher than 100 m above terrain level
also a weird thing. What's the logic behind this? It uses IR :/ why does being 101m suddenly make the lock unattainable? I would understand not being capapble of hitting flying stuff if it had top attack mode but...

And in combination with the 50m min range, there's a strong possibility you can't lock onto something hovering 45m away from you (to be fair SACLOS exists for that)

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the speed limitation seems fair though

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Auto target is nice

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It's also maybe a good idea to let the MPRL actually be multi-purpose? 😛

tame rover Feb 23, 2017, 8:39 PM

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Many modern radar systems are actually capable of identifying targets by their radar return.

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Defence laboratories go through the effort of analysing and recording the radar cross-section of different targets, and using that data to generate a database for comparison

tame rover Feb 23, 2017, 8:57 PM

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Video shows some of the imagery that can be generated by the F-35's APG-81 radar operating as a Synthetic Aperture Radar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNhc4y1jPwk https://youtu.be/SnqeqEtbvo8?t=2m55s This is the sort of things that radars actually "see". How they are displayed on the pilot/gunner's screen is derived from processing this information to a more simplified way

light lintel Feb 23, 2017, 11:22 PM

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that's interesting
but does it actually work in combat? AFAIK the F-35 hasn't seen combat yet

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But yeah, it can tell a tank from an APC maybe

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But can it tell between two tanks?

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Or two APCs?

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Can it tell a Buzzard (CAS) from a Buzzard (AA)? that is the question

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Or rather, that is one question.

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The other then becomes, if target identification is indeed done via radar, then why limit it by a range less than that of the radar?

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esp. vs air targets

light lintel Feb 23, 2017, 11:45 PM

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(assuming that ground targets need a stronger SNR)

tame rover Feb 23, 2017, 11:47 PM

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why limit it by a range less than that of the radar Resolution

light lintel Feb 23, 2017, 11:50 PM

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at 8km should it make a difference against air targets?

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I mean 8km vs 3km seems like a small difference for radar...

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esp considering what the videos implied

tame rover Feb 23, 2017, 11:51 PM

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it is. IRL you'd be able to do detection and ID at much greater ranges. But this is a game

light lintel Feb 23, 2017, 11:51 PM

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Aye, but what's the point of it

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I can see the point of it when the target has the ground behind it

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I can't see the point of it when it's against the sky

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i.e. what's the rationale of doing this?

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feels arbitrary

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just keep ID at 8km

tame rover Feb 23, 2017, 11:56 PM

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Background shouldn't make much difference in terms of ID with radar and thermal since at the ranges that a thermal or radar sensor is able to resolve the image, it's probably got significant contrast against the background anyway

light lintel Feb 23, 2017, 11:57 PM

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then probably just keep ID at 8km

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for vehicles, yes, I can see the shorter range argument

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because ground clutter, less distinctive shape, angles (will relative angles affect identification?)

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the thing is, it sounds like it's not too far away from becoming magic radar again, in some aspects 😄

tame rover Feb 24, 2017, 12:03 AM

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But a metal object creates a higher return than clutter, so you have more data to process about the target than its environment

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Ground clutter etc. does limit the detection range anyway in Arma. I wouldn't be surprised if ID range scales with it

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I don't have any good data for how well radar detection vs ID scales, just some stuff for hand-held thermal and I2 systems http://i.imgur.com/r898p67.jpg

crisp wyvern Feb 24, 2017, 4:27 AM

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@light lintel From what I can tell the typeRecognitionDistance is the point at which you go from "Helicopter" to "PO-30 Orca"

light lintel Feb 24, 2017, 8:37 AM

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Aye, but on what basis

crisp wyvern Feb 24, 2017, 2:08 PM

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Considering that the system is abstracted my explanation is "the point at which the onboard systems are able to narrow down the marked target's radar return to an individual database entry"

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Jets-wise nothing much to note in the 24 February 2017 changelog, just these items:

Added: A new reportRemoteTarget script command```
@neat cosmos Would that last item be to have a vehicle (even if it does not have *reportRemoteTargets = true;* in its vehicle config) do a one-time transmitting of its detected targets? Also, rather interested in knowing just what the heck a Side's 'center' is...

verbal ginkgo Feb 24, 2017, 8:06 PM

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couple of request:

could we get animation sources for pilots/driver X and Y view direction rotation (aside from the pilotcamera)
could we get an option so gun can be zeroed in and locked onto a target in manual fire, even if there is no AI present the gunner's position, only player-driver

This would allow to get around the problems with inability to animate gun memory points on the "hull" config of a vehicle

severe nimbus Feb 25, 2017, 8:09 AM

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On Dev Branch locking ground targets on the Blackfoot with DynLoadout is not working too well for me. (Using T as the keybinds say.) I have to get really close like a few hundred meters before it starts locking. Is there a new way of locking targets that I missed? Anyone have the same issue?

crisp wyvern Feb 25, 2017, 1:18 PM

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I might have had that with the Blackfoot as well overnight, have you tried 'Next target (in veh.)' keybind (on Arma 3 Apex Preset that's R) instead?

severe nimbus Feb 25, 2017, 4:47 PM

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Yep, that didn't work either. I tried it on the Wathog, too and on both versions, 'normal' and dynamic loadout, each.

crisp wyvern Feb 25, 2017, 5:24 PM

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That's an oddity because on the Blackfoot the air-to-ground weapon would be the DAGRs, which have not yet been outfitted with the new sensors system(s) or the new missile lock restrictions (i.e. max distance)

supple furnace Feb 28, 2017, 7:33 PM

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4.7gb RC update

void magnet Feb 28, 2017, 7:44 PM

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😯

unreal cypress Mar 1, 2017, 12:03 AM

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Updates
28-02-2017
Tweakes Ambient Occlusion of structures
Fix to the Respawn Screen
Fixes to character animations (https://feedback.bistudio.com/T123369)
Fixed cars getting stuck on bridges on Tanoa (https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/143930-general-discussion-dev-branch/?do=findComment&comment=3153369)

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I believe that is the third RC update.

This was the second

Previous updates
Ambient Occlusion fixes
Fix of vehicles of Apex owners getting stuck (https://feedback.bistudio.com/T120992)
Fix to characters clipping through the Mora vehicle
Fix to proxies of flags (used for CTF)
Fix to the Firing Drills freezing mechanics

cloud comet Mar 1, 2017, 3:28 AM

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Also stated here - https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/183855-release-candidate-branch-announcements/?do=findComment&comment=3150728

void magnet Mar 1, 2017, 4:33 AM

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hmm... wonder if that fixes all vehicles with AI and bridges. thanks for info guys 👍

hushed pagoda Mar 1, 2017, 3:07 PM

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can anybody confirm that the x64 dedi server returns : [1970,1,1,1,0,0]
for the "missionStart" command?

hushed pagoda Mar 2, 2017, 12:22 PM

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appears to be only during preInit (and some time after that)
after some time it returns the correct dedicated server time values

magic spoke Mar 2, 2017, 7:09 PM

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All these ct commands gonna be some type of excel looking dialog stuff? https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Category:Introduced_with_Arma_3_version_Dev

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Sure do hope sooo 😄

hexed citrus Mar 3, 2017, 11:14 AM

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9JJUfoq3VfmQXNCZGxydm1ZaXc/view?usp=sharing

Hm, less FPS with the latest 1.68RC...

candid dew Mar 3, 2017, 11:18 AM

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All those results are within the margin of error IMO.

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Except the 32.7

hexed citrus Mar 3, 2017, 3:06 PM

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No, you can see while the mission runs that fps are lower (FPS counter)

candid dew Mar 3, 2017, 3:19 PM

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Well yeah, if the average is lower too. :)
But in that test it's not a meaningful difference. Unless you see the same after running the test 10 times each.

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I mean, I wouldn't worry about it.

light lintel Mar 3, 2017, 4:38 PM

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Xeno, probably use FRAPS + https://sourceforge.net/projects/frafsbenchview/files/

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analyse frame time data

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see if there's a significant deviation in things like 99th or 95th percentile frame times

hexed citrus Mar 4, 2017, 12:17 AM

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I'm not talking about the mission fps counter, but external fps display. FPS have dropped in the latest RC. But who cares. It really doesn't matter, the fps are too low anyway.

hexed citrus Mar 4, 2017, 8:51 AM

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And it seems I'm not the only one...
https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/183856-release-candidate-branch-discussion/?do=findComment&comment=3159814

past moon Mar 4, 2017, 1:32 PM

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@hexed citrus is the FPS drop consistent all the time or just in specific parts (e.g. map, inventory, usage of certain equipment or inside vehicles) ?

hexed citrus Mar 6, 2017, 8:40 AM

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@past moon for me FPS are lower all the time

hexed citrus Mar 6, 2017, 8:56 AM

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@past moon And it got even worse with the latest RC update from thursday or friday...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9JJUfoq3VfmUjBybVM2SGZxZzA/view?usp=sharing

Also many error messages like Error compiling '' in 'HitArms' in the RPT

light lintel Mar 6, 2017, 10:34 AM

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hmm i had lower FPS too with v19 yesterday, after two missions

tame rover Mar 6, 2017, 3:19 PM

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New tank FCS stuff is pretty damn sweet

light lintel Mar 6, 2017, 3:20 PM

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aye just saw

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https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/202603-tanks-fire-control-system/

tame rover Mar 6, 2017, 3:23 PM

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Works nicely. Seems to get the traverse speed from the target vehicle rather than calculating from turret movement, but nice none the less

light lintel Mar 6, 2017, 3:37 PM

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it sounds a bit "spam T and be OP" though

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haven't tried it though.

lucid prawn Mar 6, 2017, 4:06 PM

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Oh shit, I did my daily routine and forgot to check dev on the day we get sweet tank improvements. Looks sweet!

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Were the sensors fixed?

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Can't find it in the Changelog

tame rover Mar 6, 2017, 4:10 PM

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It still requires some skill. Doing good track and choosing the right time to lase and shoot so that the firing solution is right for the heading of the target

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It's no more OP than say the ACE FCS or RHS' Abrams FCS

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@lucid prawn you mean for missiles/AT launchers?

lucid prawn Mar 6, 2017, 4:12 PM

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Yes

tame rover Mar 6, 2017, 4:12 PM

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I forgot to try it. Will have a go in a sec

light lintel Mar 6, 2017, 4:12 PM

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i see. never used ACE FCS/RHS FCS

tame rover Mar 6, 2017, 4:20 PM

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Nah, launchers still aren't locking on

lucid prawn Mar 6, 2017, 4:21 PM

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Thanks for testing, though!

scarlet root Mar 7, 2017, 10:09 PM

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btw did anything of the COOP variant of the APEX campaign came to light yet?

light lintel Mar 7, 2017, 11:13 PM

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? What do you mean, the Apex campaign is already coop...

lucid prawn Mar 7, 2017, 11:32 PM

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Some improvements were announced on the roadmap.

scarlet root Mar 8, 2017, 12:57 PM

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sorry meant the non COOP variant

light lintel Mar 10, 2017, 6:38 PM

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I haven't been paying attention to campaign changes...

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Dwarden heard anything about any planned VON system updates? Like volume sliders for direct etc 😛

cloud comet Mar 11, 2017, 10:51 AM

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https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/183855-release-candidate-branch-announcements/?do=findComment&comment=3150728

10-03-2017
Fixed AI behavior on Dedicated Servers
Fixed several crash cases
Fixed AI driving to the corner of the VR terrain
Tweaked to Ambient Occlusion settings

This must be the 830.3 MB update I'm downloading.

paper ocean Mar 12, 2017, 12:04 AM

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anyone knows why i have ~20 fps more in 32bit client than 64bit?

autumn sage Mar 12, 2017, 12:12 AM

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specs?

paper ocean Mar 12, 2017, 12:40 AM

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Intel i7 3635 2.4GHz
AMD Radeon HD 8600/8700M

light lintel Mar 13, 2017, 8:22 PM

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i was just wondering, is there a plan to pre-load more assets like building textures once 64-bit lands?

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would help prevent stuttering when looking at a town and zooming in

crisp wyvern Mar 14, 2017, 6:15 PM

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Now on dev branch: Wipeout "game element PIP" replaced with in-HUD-only CCIP for cannon, rockets, and GBUs, credit to Ampersand for the screenshots: http://imgur.com/a/pkvRQ

tame rover Mar 14, 2017, 6:26 PM

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Addons can be configured to do the HUD CCIP offset in the RC already for 1.68. impactPoint source was added to class MFD a while ago. The range indicator is new to the dev branch though.

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Also new in dev today is that the red and yellow view cones for the visual and IR sensors, rotate in the "radar" display depending on which direction the pilotCamera/TGP is pointing. They're no longer fixed forward

crisp wyvern Mar 14, 2017, 7:39 PM

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@tame rover So far that's only for the Wipeout, thanks to animDirection="PilotCamera_V";

tame rover Mar 14, 2017, 8:01 PM

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Yeah, the changelog for today specified it was only the Wipeout with the adjusted sensor so far

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Other aircraft have the CCIP stuff

unborn fog Mar 14, 2017, 8:39 PM

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Chortles: thanks for the link, good stuff. will love to be finally be able to use CCIP pipper.

scarlet root Mar 15, 2017, 3:17 PM

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any update on 1.68 this week or not?

idle furnace Mar 15, 2017, 3:31 PM

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If it's coming this week it will be tomorrow or Friday, it's already overdue. At a guess, I would think it would get pushed out at 5 o'clock 🇨🇿 time on Friday 😂

light lintel Mar 15, 2017, 7:06 PM

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Added: UI control for incremental throttle (WIP)
excited

burnt raft Mar 15, 2017, 8:38 PM

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Interesting....

unreal cypress Mar 16, 2017, 2:05 AM

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Tomorrow (Thursday) is the most likely candidate. BI hasn't done a Friday release in awhile, and for good reason.

1.66 - Thursday
1.64 - Thursday
1.62 - Monday
1.60 - Monday
1.58 - Thursday
1.56 - Thursday

crisp wyvern Mar 16, 2017, 2:36 AM

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15 March 2017 changelog:
Tweaked: All CAS airplanes' sensors now reflect the targeting pod view;
coughsomeoneforgottheNeophron The Buzzard config now has the same IR/visual sensor config parameters/values as the Wipeout, including animDirection="PilotCamera_V"; which the Wipeout received the day before; the Neophron config seems to be unchanged.
Tweaked: Targeting pod modes and zoom have been adjusted
Buzzard and Wipeout gained "NVG" in addition to "Normal" and "Ti", while the Medium FOV ("5.0x") now has initFoV/minFoV/maxFoV values of "(6 / 120)" instead of "(15 / 120)", Narrow FOV ("15.0x") has values of "(2 / 120)" instead of "(3.75 / 120)", the maxTurn/minTurn values are +/-160 instead of +/-150, the minElev value is now -20 instead of -10, and the initElev value is 5 instead of 0.

clever dragon Mar 16, 2017, 8:26 AM

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@unreal cypress ... you made some guys very happy over here at BI.. with your clutter thing

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😉

past moon Mar 16, 2017, 8:50 AM

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@unreal cypress keeps better track on days of releases than me 😉 i just wish i can forget

burnt raft Mar 16, 2017, 9:02 AM

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Chortles too!

verbal ginkgo Mar 17, 2017, 12:01 AM

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Hey, just wanted to drop by and say that the new 3rd person camera for planes and helicopter ROCKS! It just feels so good to flying 3rd person without the need to constantly readjust camera

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Great job!

tame rover Mar 17, 2017, 12:05 AM

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Yeah, I was playing it yesterday. Feels great flying in 3rd person now. Especially the Neophron.

light lintel Mar 17, 2017, 8:21 PM

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Added: A separate airbrake control ```

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weeee

tame rover Mar 17, 2017, 9:17 PM

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I couldn't find the airbrake control in options. I found a wheelbrake one though that I didn't know was there for planes

crisp wyvern Mar 22, 2017, 1:31 PM

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This seems to be a bit of a big deal... 21 March 2017:
Tweaked: Passive sensors now do not allow marking by default
Oh boy the Xi'an gettin' in on the TGP action:
Tweaked: The UI gunner aim indicator was removed from the Xian vehicle Added: PNVS (pilotCamera) to the Xian pilots (WIP)
Ahahahaha:
Tweaked: Increased the passive radar template range to 16 kilometers

unborn fog Mar 22, 2017, 1:33 PM

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heh yeah like twice the stratis length 😉

crisp wyvern Mar 22, 2017, 1:34 PM

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I imagine that the devs do know that people have bigger terrains being cooked up... 😉

tame rover Mar 22, 2017, 2:07 PM

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Xi'an still having the HMD display in pilotCamera is a little odd though (and it getting zoomed in). Hopefully they can fix that

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Makes me wonder if they could use the MFD/HMD tech to make first focal plane reticles for rifle scopes though 🤔

bleak canopy Mar 22, 2017, 9:12 PM

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anyone recall which update had the jet ILS?

tame rover Mar 22, 2017, 9:21 PM

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The runway outline? I think I noticed it on the neophron around 140738 or 140761

bleak canopy Mar 22, 2017, 9:22 PM

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140738 was 1.6GB. I'll go with that.

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ty

tame rover Mar 22, 2017, 9:30 PM

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Coding the MFD/HUD stuff is mostly done by config though, so could have been done in a much smaller update

burnt raft Mar 22, 2017, 9:39 PM

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Wow, Dev feel smooth as silk

crisp wyvern Mar 23, 2017, 5:10 AM

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And thanks to @blazing sorrel for this screenshot confirming the existence of the Buzzard (Dynamic loadout): http://imgur.com/lU6gWsM Although the in-game loadout is two HE Shrieker pods, two Macers, two Falchions, and the gun pod plus it's not an "every possible weapon on every station" situation, there's limited stores on the outermost pylons and the centerline fuselage station only allows the gun pod for now

lament dawn Mar 23, 2017, 11:27 AM

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Sorry if this has been asked but when I looked on the forums I just wasnt sure with @neat cosmos 's response but will there be some sort of service menu for the dynamic loadouts while in mission?

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Oh did I post this in the wrong area? Sorry, there is so many channels!

light lintel Mar 23, 2017, 11:55 AM

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@lament dawn no in mission service menu afaik

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but in editor

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you can script one in, i suppose (already done by some mods) but no vanilla solution

tame rover Mar 23, 2017, 6:03 PM

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It's mentioned on the biki that there will be provisions for mission designers to allow players acces to loadout selection either at mission start or ingame

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I assume it'll be a module

light lintel Mar 23, 2017, 6:33 PM

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oooh

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now that is interesting

crisp wyvern Mar 24, 2017, 4:10 AM

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Aye, but then of course how much can/should a 'mission start' (Briefing screen) or in-mission loadout editor be able to break the limits imposed in the magazine and vehicle configs? Namely, both must have at least one entry in common between their respective hardpoints arrays, the mass of the 'dynamic loadouts version' magazine must not exceed the pylon/station's maxweight value, i.e. the Buzzard underwing pylons will accept any bomb/gun pod/missile/rocket pod that both shares the Buzzard pylons' hardpoints[]={"B_BOMB_PYLON"}; and has a light enough mass, i.e. the Twin Cannon 20mm gun pod (PylonWeapon_300Rnd_20mm_shells) has for its compatible hardpoints B_BOMB_PYLON and B_A143_BUZZARD_CENTER_PYLON and its mass value of 230 lets it fit under the inboard (maxweight=400;) and midboard (maxweight=320;) pylons but not the outboard (maxweight=200;) pylons. (The centerline fuselage station currently only supports the B_A143_BUZZARD_CENTER_PYLON hardpoint so currently only the Twin Cannon 20mm can be fitted underneath.)

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@lament dawn What SuicideKing and da12thMonkey said, and here's (some of?) the scripting commands associated with the current system on dev branch: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Vehicle_Loadouts#Scripting

light lintel Mar 24, 2017, 10:46 PM

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hey if missiles/rockets are being tweaked, then could we get some flyby sounds for them? Like a whistling or whooshing noise when an RPG passes by? Has gameplay benefits - at least you know it wasn't a launched grenade causing the explosion(s).

lament dawn Mar 26, 2017, 12:26 AM

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so does anyone know how to actually setup the pylons? is anyone able to link me to a thread or something? (other than the biki as it doesn't explain it enough for me)

crisp wyvern Mar 26, 2017, 12:32 AM

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@lament dawn Haven't been able to take a crack at it just yet but as far as I can tell in the model you have to set up an ejector rack/launch rail proxy for each station -- and in the Buzzard that actually includes the gun pod

blazing sorrel Mar 27, 2017, 3:12 PM

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Ayyyy sound update for Altis and Stratis on dev now!

inner pagoda Mar 27, 2017, 4:20 PM

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And I'm stuck in classes for another hour at a minimum. Curses.

blazing sorrel Mar 27, 2017, 6:26 PM

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Dude I have 3 hours and then I gotta walk home. :c

inner pagoda Mar 27, 2017, 6:45 PM

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Well the good news is that thunderstorms for Altis/Stratis are now on par with ones on Tanoa.

inner pagoda Mar 27, 2017, 7:02 PM

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And the Prowler now comes in black. Unless you could always get it in black.

light lintel Mar 27, 2017, 7:37 PM

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could always

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BTW can the AI use vehicle FCS?

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Can it please not?

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It does a great job of tracking and killing targets while wizzing past at 100 kmph as it is...

burnt raft Mar 27, 2017, 9:13 PM

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Always came in black.

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Wished there was a Gendarmerie blue though.

crisp wyvern Mar 28, 2017, 2:11 AM

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@burnt raft Wished there was a Gendarmerie blue though.
I wish this for a bunch of A3 assets... though I'm not 100% sure what role the Prowler would have served them over an Offroad.

inner pagoda Mar 28, 2017, 2:20 AM

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The right gunner in the Blackfish gunship doesn't seem to get a calculated impact crosshair.

burnt raft Mar 28, 2017, 7:15 AM

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Just as a tacti-cool vehicle (unarmed prowler)

light lintel Mar 28, 2017, 11:01 AM

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I wish there was a blue helmet, so i could pretend it's UN 😐

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I also wish the armed prowler got one extra seat so we could use it for 6-man teams

past moon Mar 28, 2017, 11:12 AM

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attachTo him to back 🤣

light lintel Mar 28, 2017, 11:26 AM

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:trollface:

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😂

crisp wyvern Mar 29, 2017, 4:58 AM

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@burnt raft I dunno I suppose it just feels out of place unless the idea is the Gendarmerie consciously trading of seating capacity (not so much protection) for off-road mobility versus the Offroad.

scenic gyro Mar 29, 2017, 9:29 AM

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hmm, canonically, would a police force, even a paramilitary one, on a remote island really have the budget for brand new tactical vehicles?

steel rune Mar 29, 2017, 9:31 AM

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they might have been saving part of their yearly budget in a treasure chest burried deep in the forest

past moon Mar 29, 2017, 12:39 PM

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1.68 hotfix #1 was released , fyi, thanks for the RC feedback

burnt raft Mar 29, 2017, 6:30 PM

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@scenic gyro I've seen stranger things.

inner pagoda Mar 31, 2017, 12:59 AM

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So despite the Loiter waypoint telling me that aircraft will not copy terrain, aircraft appear to do just that.

scenic gyro Mar 31, 2017, 9:04 AM

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hmm, isn't that just an issue with the height being specified as AGL (above ground level) instead of A(M)SL (above mean sea level)?

inner pagoda Mar 31, 2017, 3:00 PM

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It's likely.

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Regardless, it makes trying to gun from an AI Blackfish rather annoying on mountainous terains.

tame rover Mar 31, 2017, 6:01 PM

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can't add flyInHeightASL to the waypoint?

inner pagoda Apr 10, 2017, 6:00 PM

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This is absurd

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http://i.imgur.com/34dp7Ez.png

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I love it.

light lintel Apr 10, 2017, 6:35 PM

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😄

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they need to make a 2x DAGR magazine for this

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would be perfect

light lintel Apr 10, 2017, 6:58 PM

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@neat cosmos I can't remember if this has been a part of the recent discussion for jets DLC, but could it be possible to get a script command to disable locking of targets? So as to force SACLOS mode on (vanilla) helicopter ATGMs, for example?

something like
vehicle disableWeaponTargetLock "WeaponName";
vehicle disableWeaponTargetLock [gunner vehicle, "weaponName"];
vehicle disableWeaponTargetLock [turret, "weaponName"];

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this post in the community i play with reminded me of this

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In the jets update with new sensors, any idea if it will be possible to require a gunner using ATGMs like the DAGR (?) to wire guide the missile and not be allowed to lock on?  I'd love to have a helicopter with missiles that aren't fire and forget```

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(we play vanilla)

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I had summarised here, too, at the end: https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/194434-arma-3-targeting-review-revision-2/?do=findComment&comment=3109927

bleak rivet Apr 10, 2017, 9:00 PM

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+1 for your post SuicideKing! Well done!

crisp wyvern Apr 10, 2017, 9:12 PM

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Kinda outdated though seeing how much of it predates the Jets platform update reveals...?

light lintel Apr 10, 2017, 9:32 PM

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oh yeah it's outdated now

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it's pre sensors stuff

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i was mostly just pointing to the part at the end re: script commands

autumn sage Apr 10, 2017, 10:03 PM

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@past moon any reason for post release fixes not included in the hotfix(es)?

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means we'll have to live with annoyance bugs like https://feedback.bistudio.com/T122322 until 1.70

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while it has been (supposedly) fixed in DEV since the 22nd of March (https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/140837-development-branch-changelog/?do=findComment&comment=3167182)

past moon Apr 11, 2017, 1:10 AM

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it sometimes happens @autumn sage

neat cosmos Apr 11, 2017, 9:38 AM

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@light lintel I am sorry, there's no such script command atm

light lintel Apr 11, 2017, 11:04 AM

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Cool, thanks oukej

crisp wyvern Apr 12, 2017, 2:28 PM

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@neat cosmos Blackfish (Armed) pilot and left gunner have radar control but co-pilot and right gunner do not, is this intentional behavior?

neat cosmos Apr 13, 2017, 8:41 PM

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@crisp wyvern it is and in line with how vehicle crew roles in Arma have been working (driver - commander - gunner; in this case driver+commander are the same person)

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copilot and sec. gunner are just "another turret", but Arma's core still relies a lot on the driver/commander/primarygunner trio 😉

crisp wyvern Apr 13, 2017, 8:59 PM

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Did not expect the co-pilot to be a gunner instead of a commander here, unless what you describe was necessary in order for the pilot to have radar control

light lintel Apr 13, 2017, 9:05 PM

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Added: Single release mode for countermeasures
this is really cool BTW

oak dove Apr 14, 2017, 12:41 AM

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Any chance of seeing flyInHeightASL being fixed again before 1.70? As is it doesn't work for loiter type waypoints again unfortunately.

verbal ginkgo Apr 14, 2017, 10:51 AM

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Played around with the new jets, they feel nice to fly and I'm really happy that BIS incorporated an idea of planes having own designators used with pilot's camera (something I modded in before).
However I have to admit that flying perfectly fine at 200kph is pushing it a bit, although given the relatively small size of arma maps its fine I think.
My suggestion would be:

add the sound barrier breaking effect
add an additional, optional 3rd person camera mode that also follows the plane's roll as well as the pitch (ie. Ace combat style camera)
increase the turn limits for the pilots camera so its free rotating
increase the turn limit of locked on pilot camera. The current -180 to 180 causes issues when flying over the target (camera usually freaks out a bit trying to look at the target)

severe nimbus Apr 14, 2017, 11:59 AM

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Didn't we always have the Cammera and Laser designator on Jets? Pretty shure I have been using that for a long time.

light lintel Apr 14, 2017, 12:08 PM

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cammera yes, laser designator is new i think

tame rover Apr 14, 2017, 12:34 PM

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nope, pilotCamera was added to planes a few patches ago and laser designator for the camera was added to dev branch back in August

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think that means it was added in 1.64

crisp wyvern Apr 14, 2017, 1:21 PM

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There's something oddly amusing about how the premium jet stats make it look, on the face of pylon and sensor stats, like they're actually better at ground attack than the attack jets...

tame rover Apr 14, 2017, 1:52 PM

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They probably should be. Expensive multi-role jets usually do have better sensors than cheap CAS ones

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IRL the trade off in favour of attack aircraft usually comes from loiter time and cost

crisp wyvern Apr 14, 2017, 2:01 PM

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The former of which isn't (the latter definitely isn't) simulated to nearly the same degree in A3, I guess...?

tame rover Apr 14, 2017, 2:03 PM

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Dunno. I haven't seen how long it takes things to run out of fuel

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I did find with the new jets it's sometimes hard to stay in sensor range on a marked target when moving so fast though

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going low and slow with the older jets gives plenty of time to establish what you're targetting

verbal ginkgo Apr 14, 2017, 2:43 PM

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@da12thMonkey#2096 keep in mind the fact you can target stuff using the pilot camera

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@neat cosmos is it possible to have a custom HUD in 3rd person view for the planes, with CCIP and such?

tame rover Apr 14, 2017, 3:05 PM

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That's what I do usually. But depending on altitude, fog etc. speed can mean I am approaching quite close before finding the target visually, and gives limited time to lock and release without going around for another pass

verbal ginkgo Apr 14, 2017, 3:46 PM

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The new jets fly perfectly fine and stable at 200kph so yeah, you've got a lot of time to acquire the target in such case

light lintel Apr 14, 2017, 4:16 PM

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increase the turn limit of locked on pilot camera. The current -180 to 180 causes issues when flying over the target (camera usually freaks out a bit trying to look at the target)
can confirm this, as I have had this issue even with old vanilla jets

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might be easier to handle the camera if jets were dual seater but with one...

scenic gyro Apr 14, 2017, 5:01 PM

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would be nice to have video uplink/downlink ... commanders on the ground able to see what the pilot sees via the pilot camera or bomb cameras in realtime

light lintel Apr 14, 2017, 5:02 PM

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I think they can...or is that only from UAVs?

severe nimbus Apr 14, 2017, 6:23 PM

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what would be realy intereesting is how the information sharing setings are working amongs vehicles ... there are new settings for this ... basically a few strategically placed tigriss should be able to get you all the available radar intell on altis

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if I understand this setting correctly hat is

verbal ginkgo Apr 14, 2017, 6:31 PM

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BTW: I meant the camera mode (CTRL+RMB), not the normal view when you sit in the plane

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@scenic gyro in theory you could BS through this and attach a hidden model UAV to a plane get the camera feed

crisp wyvern Apr 15, 2017, 1:32 AM

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@severe nimbus what would be realy intereesting is how the information sharing setings are working amongs vehicles ... there are new settings for this ... basically a few strategically placed tigriss should be able to get you all the available radar intell on altis In theory this could work but in practice this is more for situational awareness, not targeting...? To say nothing of course of every Tigris probably showing up on every-in-the-vicinity aircraft's RWR...

light lintel Apr 15, 2017, 11:19 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/65gybv/arma_3_odst_dlc/?st=1Z141Z3&sh=055ae480

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^ejection seat related

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Turns out you ejection seats make you invulnerable to impact/fall damage

scenic gyro Apr 15, 2017, 12:01 PM

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@crisp wyvern that was for Finn?

crisp wyvern Apr 15, 2017, 1:23 PM

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Yep, my mistake

inner pagoda Apr 16, 2017, 4:23 AM

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Man flying the new Jets with a Thrustmaster HOTAS is 👌

crisp wyvern Apr 16, 2017, 12:21 PM

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@inner pagoda Lemme guess, dat analogue throttle

inner pagoda Apr 16, 2017, 6:47 PM

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And being able to bind everything to buttons and Hats.

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Although going from DCS to Arma is...jarring to say the least.

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I can pull a nice 30° bank in the F-15C and hold altitude just fine without any rudder input, but trying to do the same thing in the Black Wasp is nigh impossible.

tough ermine Apr 18, 2017, 11:36 AM

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Has the new carrier made an appearance on the Dev branch as yet?

candid dew Apr 18, 2017, 11:52 AM

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No.

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But the dev branch was just updated only 23 minutes ago... 🤔

neat cosmos Apr 18, 2017, 12:43 PM

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@verbal ginkgo I'm sorry about that 3rd person. It would be low prio as we don't intend to have it in vanilla. And we're just too few over here and have too many issues that we really need to fix/do.

verbal ginkgo Apr 18, 2017, 1:01 PM

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@neat cosmos not in vanilla is fine, but I would love if there was a way for modders to enable 3rd person CCIP and such. The biggest bummer is that it was working like that before.

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it could lead to some fun mods

sick goblet Apr 18, 2017, 4:29 PM

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Any1 know what was on the new patch today ?

light lintel Apr 18, 2017, 5:11 PM

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@sick goblet yes: https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/140837-development-branch-changelog/?do=findComment&comment=3178168

sick goblet Apr 18, 2017, 5:23 PM

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@light lintel 10Q

light lintel Apr 18, 2017, 5:24 PM

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is that a way of writing "thank you"? 😅

autumn sage Apr 18, 2017, 6:19 PM

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kids these days... shakes head

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😁

crisp wyvern Apr 18, 2017, 6:36 PM

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Added: A new "vtolvectoring" MFD source This one's a definite plus for modders and possibly players as well, if only because it's more information that can go into the HMD/HUD
Added: A new "PylonAmmo" MFD source Not sure what this one means (yet)

tame rover Apr 18, 2017, 6:50 PM

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Might be for numeric values of the ammo counter for each pylon. Currently there's just a depleting bar on the Wipeout's stores overview panel, and numeric values in the HUD for currently selected weapons

light lintel Apr 18, 2017, 10:29 PM

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so i was shown a video recently; turns out that bombs do not require maintaining a laser lock on a position to actually hit

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i.e. laze on release, then do whatever, bomb will hit spot

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is this...er... authentic ?

crisp wyvern Apr 19, 2017, 12:37 AM

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@light lintel It certainly doesn't sound authentic, then again the seeming usual method of 'lase the whole way through' is also inauthentic to procedure IRL

glass silo Apr 19, 2017, 5:35 PM

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@light lintel If Falcon BMS is a good source, then it looks like LGBs are supposed to be dropped unguided into the general area near a target and then guide on a laser that is only fired a couple seconds before impact. Not sure how difficult it would be to reproduce in Arma however.

severe nimbus Apr 19, 2017, 7:16 PM

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Is the lock on on rocketlaunchers going to be altered from its current dev branch state? I have trouble locking vehicles warm and cold ones ... both with PCML and Titan AT

bleak canopy Apr 19, 2017, 7:45 PM

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Seems like it'd make more sense to keep Dev Branch as the main Steam install to automate daily updates, and use GameUpdater to maintain the Stable Branch for playing on. Any horrible flaws with that plan?

tame rover Apr 19, 2017, 7:52 PM

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For me there's an issue of needing the main branch to be on SSD where my main steam install is, but not having enough space for dev on the SSD as well. Otherwise I'd probably do the same

bleak canopy Apr 19, 2017, 8:26 PM

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You can put the Dev Branch main install on another drive in a Steam Library though, right?

light lintel Apr 19, 2017, 8:28 PM

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@Chortles#3140 @glass silo well this is what it looks like at the moment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N67hIG1XQeI

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it looks like the laser is used at the time of acqusition, but the bombs aren't really laser guided per say, and appear to ignore the lase beyond point of release.

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so it appears this is more JDAM than LGB

tame rover Apr 19, 2017, 8:51 PM

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I suppose EGBUs could operate on that basis and use INS when they lose laser track. But I figure they're still probably employed in the same manner as regular LGBs or JDAMs IRL

light lintel Apr 19, 2017, 9:19 PM

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hmm except the laser appears to not do anything post release

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as in, if you move the laser around or turn it off (as in the video) the bombs don't care

tame rover Apr 19, 2017, 9:27 PM

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Strange. I've managed to move the laser spot and have the bombs adjust course

light lintel Apr 19, 2017, 9:33 PM

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Well, I'm going by the report of the video maker.

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So it's possible he was doing something wrong - or maybe stuff has changed.

glass silo Apr 19, 2017, 9:35 PM

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It looks like each lgb only maintains it's track until the next one is launched, after which it impacts the last location the lase was on before the next bomb dropped/was released.

light lintel Apr 19, 2017, 9:35 PM

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i see, thanks

tame rover Apr 19, 2017, 9:44 PM

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Might be changed on dev since I just dropped two bombs and they followed the laser to a new location when moved

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and regarding the pylonAmmo MFD source added yesterday. These numbers in the bottom right of each box on the stores panel appeared today: http://i.imgur.com/Ln2ZUmK.png

light lintel Apr 19, 2017, 11:11 PM

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very cool

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😃

winter sonnet Apr 20, 2017, 6:36 AM

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apparantly i can fly the new jets in dev branch can somebody pls assist me in how i can do so?

candid dew Apr 20, 2017, 6:51 AM

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@winter sonnet You switch over to the dev branch in Steam. Then open the editor and place the jets down and hit preview.

winter sonnet Apr 20, 2017, 7:00 AM

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😃 thank you o7

crisp wyvern Apr 20, 2017, 7:07 AM

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@winter sonnet Note that what Greenfist describes requires the pilot to be Player (as far as 'Player', 'Playable', or AI) but if the jet is the only vehicle/unit in the scenario then the Player checkbox is automatically checked off; if you placed multiple jets/pilots it's the first of them that was placed (you can manually choose one to be Player before hitting Preview).

winter sonnet Apr 20, 2017, 7:08 AM

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@crisp wyvern @candid dew roger that aprreciate it o7

crisp wyvern Apr 20, 2017, 7:08 AM

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Alternately you can select Tutorials from the main menu, choose Virtual Arsenal, and click the Garage icon, then go to the 'Planes' tab. 😃 Unlike the Editor preview, in this "Virtual Garage" you won't have the pop-ups that you would if you didn't buy the DLC! (by itself, as part of the DLC Bundle 2, or the Supporter Edition before Arma 3's release)

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These are the two basic ways to 'try before you buy'!

light lintel Apr 20, 2017, 6:55 PM

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Added: New "sourceLength" and "sourcePrecision" parameters to the "scale" MFD type 
Added: New "clipTLParallax" and "clipBRParallax" MFD group parameters 
Added: A new "pilotcameralock" MFD condition [0 disabled, 1 locked to terrain, 2 locked to objects] 
Tweaked: Manual guidance of missiles was improved```

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i'll admit, i don't understand the first two

scenic gyro Apr 21, 2017, 8:23 AM

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best guess, it's the length of the bar and the increments for those bar type ammo indicators?

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clip stuff, no clue

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well, other than viewing angle clipping in the HUDs

scenic gyro Apr 21, 2017, 8:59 AM

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There's barely anything in the engine improvements for this DLC which isn't exciting, the cockpit work is great, I hope some of it gets applied to the existing vanilla aircraft. Having real info in the MFDs instead of just static images is great (looking at you, Blackfoot et al)

bleak canopy Apr 21, 2017, 3:27 PM

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woohoo! carrier!

light lintel Apr 21, 2017, 3:29 PM

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yup

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i'm being told that it doesn't come with the turrets pre-placed, but is there a composition planned?

bleak canopy Apr 21, 2017, 3:30 PM

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can confirm turret mounts are empty

scenic gyro Apr 21, 2017, 3:47 PM

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great start for carrier, Flax just fell through the deck

light lintel Apr 21, 2017, 3:49 PM

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flax?

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btw

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Aircraft can get stuck on the carrier's deck after being placed in Eden Editor ```

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i'm downloading dev branch too 😄

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couldn't resist

scenic gyro Apr 21, 2017, 3:50 PM

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another discord user who kindly offered to live stream his testing so I could see the carrier in action 😃

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was running across the deck then just fell through it and got stuck inside the model.

light lintel Apr 21, 2017, 3:52 PM

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:enginelimitations:

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@neat cosmos will this be functional :o
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/101479298812121088/305007717867716609/20170421175127_1.jpg

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interiors looking good though!

bleak canopy Apr 21, 2017, 3:54 PM

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you wanna catch some sharks?

scenic gyro Apr 21, 2017, 3:54 PM

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partial interiors, doesn't look you can climb all the way up the island from inside?

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@light lintel what is that?

light lintel Apr 21, 2017, 4:02 PM

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Looks like a boat crane

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would be great to have a way to load and unload boats, so that ejected pilots can be recovered

scenic gyro Apr 21, 2017, 4:05 PM

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that was my first thought, but there's only one and it looks a bit flimsy to support the weight of even a RHIB on it's own

light lintel Apr 21, 2017, 4:05 PM

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oh.

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😦

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it appears it could be an antenna 😄

scenic gyro Apr 21, 2017, 4:08 PM

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I seem to remember someone else describing a similar feature and oukej or another dev said it was radio related

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looks like there are some rough edges to work on still. planes catching the wires and stopping before the first wire on the deck 🙄

light lintel Apr 21, 2017, 4:11 PM

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well it's on dev branch, still beta

scenic gyro Apr 21, 2017, 4:12 PM

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right, not a criticism, just an observation

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the lighting at night is VERY nice

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although, a little bit bugged, there are floodlights on the island pointed at the deck, but they aren't illuminating it

light lintel Apr 21, 2017, 4:13 PM

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hmm, i suppose it's related to things falling through

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reminds me of bridges on tanoa not getting illuminated properly

inner pagoda Apr 21, 2017, 4:14 PM

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Anchors aweigh boys!

bleak canopy Apr 21, 2017, 4:30 PM

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What would it take to add salute in cockpit =p

scenic gyro Apr 21, 2017, 4:34 PM

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That's a slippery slope, what next, it plays the top gear theme every time you launch from the deck? 😉

inner pagoda Apr 21, 2017, 4:45 PM

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I was about to suggest steam from the catapult, but then I remembered the GRF class uses an electromagnetic launch system.

light lintel Apr 21, 2017, 5:12 PM

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is the centurion SAM not radar guided?

tough ermine Apr 21, 2017, 7:34 PM

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wait so players can't get on the carrier unless by air ? no lifts or anything ? 😦

scenic gyro Apr 21, 2017, 7:54 PM

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@tough ermine Seems not, you spawn there or land there, no access from the water

tough ermine Apr 21, 2017, 8:22 PM

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And the only inside bit being the first floor of the main tower, slightly disappointed but hey it's free

storm pewter Apr 21, 2017, 8:23 PM

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Anyone want to hear a MAJOR LOL??

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The UCAV can't launch from the USS Freedom, it won't attach to a catapult 😛

scenic gyro Apr 21, 2017, 8:45 PM

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yeah, I'm puzzled by that odd random bit of interior. If they were only going to do a similarly sized space, the shelter on the deck would have made more sense

storm pewter Apr 21, 2017, 8:46 PM

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well, you can climb up a ladder to a walk way where you can look into a green box where the bridge should be so.....

scenic gyro Apr 21, 2017, 8:47 PM

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yep, I can't shake the feeling that the plan is or was to do more, but timetables got in the way

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or maybe performance

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because being able to enter the bottom of the island but not being able to go any further is a huge tease

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especially since it's a nicely detailed interior

bleak canopy Apr 21, 2017, 8:50 PM

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@storm pewter the takeoff and landing distances are super short. you can fly the ucav off the carrier like it's ww2.

storm pewter Apr 21, 2017, 8:50 PM

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it blows up when going over the edge (if not attached to a catapult)

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jets blow up as well

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@Brian/Foxone the takeoff and landing distances are super short. you can fly the ucav off the carrier like it's ww2.
I assume that is not what BI intended 😛

scenic gyro Apr 21, 2017, 8:52 PM

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you can also take off flying through the railings on one corner of the deck ...

storm pewter Apr 21, 2017, 8:52 PM

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lol

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well i filed 6 bug reports, now just wait and see

bleak canopy Apr 21, 2017, 9:32 PM

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Can takeoff and land fine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ntt4-Gt_go

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Tailhook works fine, even though it's not available through action. But here's why the catapult doesn't work with ucav LOL https://gfycat.com/UnconsciousInferiorFirecrest

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 12:12 AM

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the uh...AAA can engage infantry.

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please make it not

storm pewter Apr 22, 2017, 12:17 AM

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they can do that IRL as well

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and they probably will if its usefull

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 12:30 AM

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it's a radar AAA

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mounted on a ship

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absolutely shouldn't be engaging infantry

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along those lines, it doesn't seem to be using radar at this moment

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Centurion isn't engaging anything, as far as i can tell

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There also seem to be audio issues with the AAA, but maybe that's because i've attached it to a HEMTT 😄

storm pewter Apr 22, 2017, 12:40 AM

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AAA is something like a Shilka not an Centurion, got confused there

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but yeah i agree something like the Centurion should not be engaging infantry

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 12:48 AM

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what

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no i mean the carrier AAA

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the autonomous one

storm pewter Apr 22, 2017, 12:48 AM

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that could just be AA ;0

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AAA is Anti Air Artillery

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 12:48 AM

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yes

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which is what it is

storm pewter Apr 22, 2017, 12:49 AM

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but its fine, i get your point

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 12:49 AM

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they're used interchangably

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and BIS calls it an AAA anyway 😛

storm pewter Apr 22, 2017, 12:49 AM

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yeab cuz that is BIS

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😛

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 12:50 AM

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No, it's not wrong really.

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Anyway, yeah, it engages infantry which it shouldn't

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it explodes when shot at by 3 bullets

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which it shouldn't

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centurion tracks but doesn't fire

storm pewter Apr 22, 2017, 12:50 AM

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lol, search Anti-aircraft artillery all i get is Shilka's and tunguska's 😄

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 12:52 AM

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Nicknames for anti-aircraft guns include AA, AAA or triple-A, an abbreviation of anti-aircraft artillery; "ack-ack" (from the spelling alphabet used by the British for voice transmission of "AA");[2

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-aircraft_warfare

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it just means an anti aircraft gun

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artillery in the old days because of flak guns

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oh another issue - neither the AAA nor the Centurion show up on passive radar (perhaps because they aren't configured to use it yet?)

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can't hear the AAA firing either (tried without attaching it to things)

scenic gyro Apr 22, 2017, 8:16 AM

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in autonomous mode, CIWS shouldn't engage anything except air targets. However in real life it's also used to engage boats, especially speed boats close to the ship (pirates and suicide bombers)

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in manual fire mode that is

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 9:19 AM

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Yup, that makes sense

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Are Dev branch bugs supposed to go to the feedback tracker too?

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 11:38 AM

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@scenic gyro @light lintel Either of you notice that classname-wise the renamed-Phalanx-to-Praetorian is using ammo w/ 35mm classname?

scenic gyro Apr 22, 2017, 11:40 AM

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I noticed the 35mm, though at the time I didn't really think about it

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 11:40 AM

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er no, didn't look at classnames

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but uh, what should it be instead?

scenic gyro Apr 22, 2017, 11:43 AM

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yeah, neither did I but it's shown as 35mm if you switch to gunner mode in the UAV console iirc

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real life Phalanx is 20mm apparently, honestly I wouldn't have remembered that until I looked it up

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 11:44 AM

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ah, i see

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didn't think about controlling it via UAV console

scenic gyro Apr 22, 2017, 11:46 AM

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yeah, that was a surprise for me, I had wondered how they would implement the 'autonomous' part of those weapons, never even crossed my mind that they would just be static drones 😃

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it makes perfect sense

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 11:46 AM

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I didn't know turrets could be controlled via UAV console 😅

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(like the HMG or GMG)

scenic gyro Apr 22, 2017, 11:47 AM

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there's a console controlled MG/GMG turret already, so I should have known

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 11:47 AM

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i want to see what's happening to the centurion now

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aha

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so the centurion DOES have a radar

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it just doesn't work 😄

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and it can't lock

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/101479298812121088/305310482913296384/unknown.png

tame rover Apr 22, 2017, 12:00 PM

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I was able to manually lock with it yesterday. Maybe the target is too close?

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 12:03 PM

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hmm, will try again

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the AAA's radar doesn't move with the direction of the turret

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so unless the turret and body are pointing the same way, radar is useless

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oh yeah, centurion's lock works, i was pressing T instead of R 😄

scenic gyro Apr 22, 2017, 12:06 PM

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behaviour was odd in the quick test Flax did yesterday, where he flew directly towards the carrier in a Shikra with all three systems on the flight deck, the SAMs didn't lock on or fire until he had flown over the ship. The AAA was the only system to engage prior to that, and it only did so at less than 400m

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of course that could have been pure luck

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 12:09 PM

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no, i can verify that

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saw the same behaviour

scenic gyro Apr 22, 2017, 12:09 PM

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has anyone checked whether the AAA (guess we're not calling it a CIWS) will target missiles?

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 12:09 PM

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only the spartan SAM locks on

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GBee i'd try if I could lock on to the AAA 😄

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or any of them

scenic gyro Apr 22, 2017, 12:10 PM

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heh

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 12:10 PM

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BTW the spartan seems to have a radar too

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for some reason

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doesn't appear to work though

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nope, doesn't work, which is as intended, though why does it have it all, i don't know 😄

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 12:13 PM

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The Spartan system has a radar, the Spartan missiles are IR alone... like the Cheetah/Tigris

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 12:14 PM

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that's...interesting.

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radar doesn't work though (nothing shows up on sensors)

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 12:15 PM

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Well I did find the parameters for the Spartan system's active radar:aimDown=0; allowsMarking=1; angleRangeHorizontal=120; angleRangeVertical=120; animDirection=""; color[]={0,1,1,1}; componentType="ActiveRadarSensorComponent"; groundNoiseDistanceCoef=0.5; maxGroundNoiseDistance=200; maxSpeedThreshold=150; maxTrackableATL=1e+010; maxTrackableSpeed=1e+010; minSpeedThreshold=100; minTrackableATL=-1e+010; minTrackableSpeed=-1e+010; typeRecognitionDistance=3000;class airTarget range is 5 km, class groundTarget range is 3 km.

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 12:16 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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nothing showed up on sensors till it was within object view distance

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i.e. less than 2500m

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 12:17 PM

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Weird but... unfortunately that squares with my anecdotal experience with active radar

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 12:20 PM

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radar can track underwater 😐

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 12:21 PM

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Though for what it's worth the Spartan missiles' IR sensor has a 30x30 cone w/ classAirTarget range 5 km (groundTarget 4 km), while the missile cone properties are missileKeepLockedCone=45, missileLockCone=30, missileLockMaxDistance=4500, missileLockMaxSpeed=1600, missileLockMinDistance=150

scenic gyro Apr 22, 2017, 12:28 PM

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considering the terrain scale, that's a reasonable distance, just a shame it's not working properly

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 12:30 PM

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i'm not sure why the spartan can engage ground targets though

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it's a SAM

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is there any SEAD fuctionality yet, BTW?

tame rover Apr 22, 2017, 12:31 PM

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AI Spartan works okay for me

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only Centurion that doesn't

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 12:32 PM

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I haven't shown a ground vehicle to the spartan yet

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is there any SEAD fuctionality yet, BTW?
i can see a cheetah on passive radar, but what's the counter?

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 12:32 PM

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@light lintel Missiles-wise there's the allowsMarking parameter which means that ARMs can use allows=Marking1; and componentType="PassiveRadarSensorComponent"; (this is an 'anti-radiation' sensor template) while RWRs use allowsMarking=0; (as in the pre-existing passive radar sensor template)

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 12:32 PM

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okay

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 12:33 PM

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What are you 'seeing' the Cheetah with?

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 12:33 PM

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but are there any missiles in game that can use this?

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Neophron

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 12:35 PM

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Ohhh, to the best of my knowledge Bohemia has not introduced any ARMs and the anti-radiation template is for modders... although the aforementioned change of allowsMarking=0; to the passive radar sensor template means that the Neophron/Wipeout counter for a passive-radar-detected Cheetah is "move the TGP towards the Cheetah until it's picked up on IR/visual, then you can target it normally"

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 12:36 PM

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hmmm high chance you'll be dead by that time :/

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especially since the TGP is really shaky when zoomed in (and well, object view distances...)

scenic gyro Apr 22, 2017, 12:36 PM

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does anyone have that image showing all the available systems for the hardpoints and pylons?

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 12:36 PM

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What do you mean by that @scenic gyro?

scenic gyro Apr 22, 2017, 12:37 PM

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there was an image shared, presumably by BI themselves of the weapons systems and other packages that were included with the DLC

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 12:37 PM

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@light lintel If that's the case then think of the passive radar sensor/your ability to detect the Cheetah on your sensor display as "where to keep away from" 😛

scenic gyro Apr 22, 2017, 12:37 PM

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I just can't find it

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 12:38 PM

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haha fair enough really

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but it would be really weird if there was nothing that could function as an ARM at all

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Since AA vehicles can engage at ~3km

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probably increases reliance on ground spotters

scenic gyro Apr 22, 2017, 12:40 PM

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this is why I'm looking for that chart, it had a whole bunch of new systems shown, targetting pods, fuel tanks, missiles, gun pods, rocket pods etc

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must have been in the forum now that I think about it

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 12:41 PM

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@light lintel Since AA vehicles can engage at ~3km probably increases reliance on ground spotters In that case probably intentional...
@scenic gyro Probably community-made

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 12:41 PM

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yeah, i'm mostly fine with that

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except it does limit some mission possibilities

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(like VTOL/helos with SEAD escort)

scenic gyro Apr 22, 2017, 12:47 PM

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doh, found it, it wasn't BI or community made, it wasn't even for Arma ...

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it was showing the systems mountable on the real life Gripen

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I'd missed the context and got my hopes up for the DLC coming with all that stuff 😦

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 12:48 PM

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@scenic gyro It was someone requesting that level of customizability wasn't it

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@light lintel I suppose there's config-modding AGMs to have the anti-radiation sensor template and upping their lock properties (read: the various range parameters) accordingly

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https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/203930-spawn-aircraft-carrier-uss-freedom-jets-dlc/

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 3:20 PM

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is config modding compatible with vanilla?

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either way, would be good to have some sort of HARM variant

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i'd balance as follows:
Neophron gets it, future sukhoi doesn't
A10 doesn't get it, black wasp does
gripen gets it, Alca doesn't (actually i'd suggest giving both planes HARMs since AAF doesn't have radar AA)

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@neat cosmos 👆🏾 😛

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 3:51 PM

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although with dynamic loadouts it shouldn't really matter - though from what i saw it seems that the loadout choices are restricted to the plane's own?

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 4:15 PM

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@crisp wyvern am i going mad or does the black wasp have HARM https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/104982724762157056/305375925061550090/unknown.png

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not that it works

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assuming it's the Macer II

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 4:18 PM

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Yeah that thing doesn't correspond at all... notice the SDBs display?

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 4:35 PM

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Yeah i realised that nothing but the artificial horizon works

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but why put it in bis

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BIS please, stop teasing us

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So i tried a dogfight

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Ended up with the AI running away from me till we were both at 15km

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my plane actually lost control, it went so high.

scenic gyro Apr 22, 2017, 4:47 PM

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I thought they were actually producing fully working MFDs for the new aircraft 😦

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 5:32 PM

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@scenic gyro Should have abandoned hope thereof after they revealed the Custom Info display panels

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 5:48 PM

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it's strange, all the old planes have weapons information panels that work

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BTW how is AGM missile lock supposed to work?

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I have to lase a selected target before it locks on

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which is clunky and redundant imo

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(since the laser pointer is a diffferent "weapon")

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i.e. if you can already target it, then why not allow lock on?

inner pagoda Apr 22, 2017, 5:51 PM

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I was pretty sure the Macer didn't require a lase.

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 5:51 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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it's refusing to lock

inner pagoda Apr 22, 2017, 5:54 PM

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Under all circumstances? What aircraft?

bleak canopy Apr 22, 2017, 5:54 PM

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Macer currently only locks "hot" vehicles right?

inner pagoda Apr 22, 2017, 5:55 PM

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I'm not sure they have to be warmed up, but it would likely help since the D model of the Maverick uses IR contrast to find targets.

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Granted, that's DCS experience spilling into Arma which likely isn't all that useful.

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 6:01 PM

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in arma it should be IR

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 6:01 PM

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Firing up my A3 client now...

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 6:01 PM

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vehicle was stationary

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but the thing is...it could be targeted.

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if i couldn't target it at all then it would make sense

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or maybe the idea is that the camera targeting something uses visual sensors and the Maverick uses IR, and thus needs a warmed up vehicle?

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which would make sense i guess (except of course it follows a laser lock too...)

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 6:03 PM

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What aircraft are you using?

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 6:04 PM

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A10

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 6:04 PM

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A-164 or community-made A-10?

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 6:04 PM

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oh, vanilla

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A-164

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I don't talk about mods here (in dev branch) 😛

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 6:22 PM

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@storm pewter what were your bug reports related to?

storm pewter Apr 22, 2017, 6:23 PM

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@light lintel carrier related, some flooring where you clip through, AA not working, blast deflector not lowering

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Stuff like that

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 6:26 PM

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could you link them here, so I/we can subscribe/add to them?

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 6:31 PM

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@light lintel For what it's worth I took a look at the Macer's ammo config... laserLock=0; but maxControlRange/missileLockMaxDistance both = 6000 while the missileLockCone/MissileKeepLockedCone both = 30, missileLockMaxSpeed=200; and weaponLockSystem="2+16"; and it only has an IR sensor (30x30 cone, allowsMarking=1; / maxRange=6000;, seemingly not vulnerable to ground clutter)... the weapon has canLock=2; and laser=0; and weaponLockSystem=2;

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 6:32 PM

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so does it mean it shouldn't lock on to a laser?

storm pewter Apr 22, 2017, 6:37 PM

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https://feedback.bistudio.com/T124494
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T124493
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T124492
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T124491
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T124489
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T124488
@light lintel

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 6:39 PM

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cheers

storm pewter Apr 22, 2017, 6:42 PM

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NP 😉

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 6:53 PM

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@light lintel or maybe the idea is that the camera targeting something uses visual sensors and the Maverick uses IR, and thus needs a warmed up vehicle? For what it's worth the camera also has an IR sensor, but yes the Maverick uses IR... did some testing of this

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 6:54 PM

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but i mean, camera has visual + IR (so it can see cold vehicles)

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 6:57 PM

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Yeah... think of it as "if it ain't warmed up enough for IR the Maverick ain't seeing it"... got this result when I tried to plant an Ifrit by itself on an airstrip and came in for AGM attack... couldn't see it nor begin a lock on the first pass, not until it had detected my A-164 and begun counter-attacking followed by my Immelman turning over for a pass from the opposite side

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 7:04 PM

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followed by my Immelman
by what?

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😄

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it's interesting, i was attacking a marid. I suppose it hadn't moved and thus the engine was off

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but that's sensible, so it's fine >if it ain't warmed up enough for IR the Maverick ain't seeing it

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 7:13 PM

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For some reason the Ifrit didn't follow a Move waypoint, hence not being warm on the first pass... the Varsuk sure did though, so I was able to nail it from over 4 km out with a Macer on a first shot of the first pass

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 7:27 PM

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interesting, i did get an ifrit to move

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but yeah if the vehicle is off there's no good way to see it (since visual sensors are limited to object view distance), interesting

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i like it 😄

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slotting screen may be broken in dev branch, BTW

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i can't reslot if i die

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how's performance in dev branch?

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my game's stuttering a LOT getting things to load

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 7:31 PM

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@light lintel but yeah if the vehicle is off there's no good way to see it, interesting Correction: the Wipeout's visual sensor can pick up a stationary Varsuk, but the Macer cannot begin a lock on it 😉

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 7:32 PM

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well, yes. 😃

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i also meant in terms of players

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since it doesn't show up on thermals

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and the flyby is usually too quick for me to pick things out visually between clutter

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 7:41 PM

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Note that thermals (as far as the IR sensor) are also subject to object view distance by default

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 7:41 PM

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except laser pointers and thermal strobes?

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 7:52 PM

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Correct, laser and NV sensor templates have objectDistanceLimitCoef=-1;/viewDistanceLimitCoef=-1;

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 8:14 PM

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oh hey i got the centurion to work

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and the AAA to use its radar too

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and in the process discovered amazing engine workings

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or well, not that amazing

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basically, if you place a turret without "crew" then it spawns as an empty vehicle

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you can place whatever other unit inside it, as gunner

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like you would in a normal vehicle

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upon doing this, turret fires as it should, i.e. using radar etc

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man i hope oukej doesn't nerf turret "crew" 😄

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i can make the centurion, AAA and spartan OPFOR/INDFOR whatever, like this

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glorious

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 8:38 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/104982724762157056/305434019326066700/unknown.png

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if you're wondering what the hell i'm on about 😄

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 9:15 PM

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by the way I saw what you mean re: Praetorian's lack of moving-with-turret active radar, which we can chalk up to the sensor's animDirection having a blank value

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 9:18 PM

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i see

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i do think it's firing 20mm rounds instead of 35mm, though

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going by the tracers and damage

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might just be a weird classname

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could be wrong though

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 9:20 PM

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Yeah I'm thinking that re: the classname

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Oh and the significance re: the Praetorian's animDirection=""; is... contrast that with the Mk21 Centurion's animDirection="MainTurret";

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 9:22 PM

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Ah, interesting. Just an oversight then

crisp wyvern Apr 22, 2017, 9:24 PM

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I imagine by the way that you noticed that the Centurion must have active radar toggled on in order to begin/complete a lock before launch?

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 9:28 PM

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yup

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the autonomous turret switches it off for whatever reason

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the "crewed" turret uses it correctly, and can engage out to ~6km

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you know i wish that the direction that the radar was pointed would influence its detection on passive radar...

light lintel Apr 22, 2017, 9:57 PM

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23:56:25 Sound: Error: File: a3\sounds_f_jets\weapons\cannons\cannon_phalanx_sound.wss not found !!!

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reason for no sound i suppose

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23:56:25 Error during evaluation of expression _moveVelocity in FX_MissileTrail_SAM

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game crashed after two of those

dull hull Apr 23, 2017, 10:34 AM

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Is there a way to install the main and the devbranch at the same time?

severe nimbus Apr 23, 2017, 10:57 AM

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Did I miss it or does the sentinel not have a thrust indicator yet?

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 11:43 AM

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@dull hull Download Arma 3 Tools, run the Game Updater utility... I tend to recommend is using Steam for main and Game Updater for dev branch, although if you're testing stuff like Jets you may want to do the other way around since from what I've heard the Steam API does not recognize your DLC purchases on a Game Updater-maintained dev branch.

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 11:49 AM

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@crisp wyvern Well there seemed to be a lot of MFD related stuff going in, and early in-game material seemed to show a less static cockpit, so I put two and two together, just reached the wrong conclusion. I am disappointed that while they have working ammo counters, they don't show the actual loaded weapons on the pylons correctly. I figured a lot of the custom dialog stuff was just for those playing in third person, or because you presently have to 'zoom in' to view the cockpit screens/instruments properly which you wouldn't need to do in real life.

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ah well, there's still plenty to like about the DLC 😃

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 11:52 AM

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@scenic gyro After all these years you should have learned that "early in-game material" was worthless as a reference for where Arma 3 was headed. 😛 Truthbetold I'm not surprised that "they don't show the actual loaded weapons on the pylons correctly"... back before dynamic loadouts Arma 3 those were outright 'static' textures w/ a lot of show/hide animations to feign display changes, made exclusively for the loadouts that the jets originally had.

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 11:54 AM

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right, that's what I had for some reason thought they had finally improved, proper mfd instead of all the static textures and hacks. I mean if they can display video in the cockpit then I reason it can't be beyond the engine capabilities to render dynamic vectors/text there too

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maybe in Arma 4 😉

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 11:55 AM

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But displaying a video feed is... different, apparently.

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For starters, no ability/need to switch from said feed, it's always displaying it -- and always in DTV (no NV or TI) at that...

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 11:57 AM

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something mods have managed though, littlebird in RHS (I think) has ability to change what is shown there

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but yeah, not in vanilla vehicles

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 12:08 PM

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BTW have they nerfed FOV zoom in dev branch planes?

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 12:08 PM

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@scenic gyro Those have (by necessity) all required hack-arounds though...?

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 12:35 PM

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I'd guess so, but if it's possible to hack around it purely through scripting then it means it should be possible to do it directly within the engine and do it much more efficiently. After all scripts aren't magic, they can't do anything that the engine isn't actually capable of doing itself. In many ways, the ingenious hacks we've seen modders and scripters come up with will actually be more complicated than adding that same capability within the engine.

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 12:45 PM

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less or more?

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 12:55 PM

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less

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sorry, more

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confused myself there 😉

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Edited to correct that inversion.

light lintel Apr 23, 2017, 1:07 PM

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😛

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 1:34 PM

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@scenic gyro A corollary issue is probably the extent of model work required...?

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Versus the display panel system which seems to be entirely config-based.

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And by "there seemed to be a lot of class MFD related stuff going in", did you mean all the various MFD source stuff in the changelogs?

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 1:51 PM

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well both would have to exist, so yeah, double the work. Though, going back to the original point about static loadout info, they already have dynamic content in the MFDs - heading, altitude etc So that much at least wouldn't seem difficult to add

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yeah, the MFD source stuff, because while they are always exposing stuff for configs/scripts which isn't implemented in in-game vehicles/objects, they are working on a Jets DLC and it would be logical that this was all things they themselves added because it was useful to them internally. Maybe I'm misunderstanding it's purpose though.

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 1:54 PM

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I was thinking more the fact that model access/work was required, period, whereas there isn't that much about a HMD/HUD that requires model access other than setting memory points for boundaries thereof, and the display panel system is seemingly all config-based so no-longer-updated mods can be 'resurrected' with them

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 1:54 PM

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anyway, 3 weeks and we'll have all the answers

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 1:54 PM

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Unfortunately it's a misnomer... class MFD is actually the HMD/HUD stuff. 😦

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 1:54 PM

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yes, picked up on that

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oh, wait, only the HUD?

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I thought it was MFD/HUD/HMD

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since they are highly similar, I thought they were basically the same class, just with differences in which surface they were rendered

tame rover Apr 23, 2017, 1:58 PM

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You can make MFDs with it as well as HUD and HMD. The Wipeout's loudout screen is using class MFD

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 1:59 PM

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@tame rover yeah, that's what I thought ...

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 1:59 PM

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As was the F/A-18X Black Wasp's "full-dashboard-GPS", from what I understand

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Thing is, from what I recall the HMD/HUD can't "switch pages" either...

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oh, wait, only the HUD? I thought it was MFD/HUD/HMD
As per this tweet and the linked BIKI article: https://twitter.com/ondrejkuzel/status/826753088610504704

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 2:02 PM

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yeah, I saw all the new HUD stuff, just assumed that improvements there would feed back into the MFDs as well.

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not talking highly interactive MFDs, just less static info that is dynamic in the overlays or hud - e.g. engine RPMs in the Caesar or the static loadout info which started this discussion

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I admit I strayed into talk of video, but that wasn't what I was originally talking about

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 2:05 PM

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Ahhhh 😦 hell if I would have known how this was supposed to be 'easier for modders' though considering the difference in 'texture background' versus a HMD or HUD glass panel

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and I don't know if the current HMD/HUD implementation allows for being able to display all weapon/magazine statuses simultaneously as opposed to the currently selected weapon/magazine (see this example of Kajman/Orca HMDs: https://twitter.com/Lathspel/status/844099457276895232 )

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 2:06 PM

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the older aircraft are the worst for static (low res) MFD textures which don't actually convey any real info. Newer aircraft like those added in APEX were better

tame rover Apr 23, 2017, 2:07 PM

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@crisp wyvern, they've added new MFD sources for pylon ammo names and ammunition

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 2:07 PM

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Older as in the CAS jets?

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 2:07 PM

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it's all maintained in the vehicle state, so it should be possible to make it accessible for use in the MFD

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 2:08 PM

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@tame rover For 'current weapon' sure, unless we're talking about two different things

tame rover Apr 23, 2017, 2:08 PM

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http://i.imgur.com/Ln2ZUmK.png

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that's the current Dynamic loudout MFD for wipeout

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 2:08 PM

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Oh I've seen this before 😃

tame rover Apr 23, 2017, 2:08 PM

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says the exact displayname of stores on each pylon and how many rounds

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 2:09 PM

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Ahhhhh

tame rover Apr 23, 2017, 2:09 PM

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there's also the HUD indicator that says the currently selected weapon

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 2:09 PM

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Which is what I had been referring to

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But what you linked displays names/numbers, not images, which would seem to imply that this only benefits simulating vehicles where the display is in this manner (i.e. not a Neophron/Shikra replacement)

tame rover Apr 23, 2017, 2:10 PM

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this is the current weapon source as used on the Gryphon: http://i.imgur.com/1ofiu9W.png

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 2:10 PM

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@tame rover Yeah, I knew I'd seen images showing that info. So maybe we can assume the Black Wasp issue is just because it's unfinished?

tame rover Apr 23, 2017, 2:10 PM

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oh yeah, class MFD probably can't handle images like that

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 2:11 PM

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Hence the limitations I've mentioned

tame rover Apr 23, 2017, 2:11 PM

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So far only the Wipeout has the fully updated MFD features AFAIK. The DLC aircraft are behind even the old CAS planes in terms of what display features are included

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 2:12 PM

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I vaguely recall something special being done for the F/A-18X Black Wasp mod's "your dashboard IS your GPS, complete with a full-terrain view of all of your current terrain and a moving icon for your jet's horizontal location"

tame rover Apr 23, 2017, 2:12 PM

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It's quite telling that the DLC jets don't even appear to have properly aligned horizon and pitch ladders

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 2:12 PM

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@crisp wyvern So when I said earlier I'd seen some MFD improvements shown it was obviously not the Black Wasp but the Wipeout

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 2:12 PM

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And it appears to me that this is gonna be hell for jet modders to implement 😦

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 2:16 PM

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the original mod had a map view? Oh, I'd love to see that implemented. I remember how cool it was when I first played with it in a Jaguar (the jet, not the car)

tame rover Apr 23, 2017, 2:16 PM

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you can make MFD use custom fonts now though. So possibly there'd be a way to work around using symbols for different missiles as different letters

crisp wyvern Apr 23, 2017, 2:17 PM

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Got a link to the Jaguar mod?

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 2:17 PM

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wasn't a mod, the actual aircraft, when I was an RAF cadet many years ago

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though, I wonder if there is a Jag mod

tame rover Apr 23, 2017, 2:18 PM

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Can't recall of one since OFP or Arma 1

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I remember Footmunch and OFrP both had Jaguar addons

scenic gyro Apr 23, 2017, 2:19 PM

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yeah, not finding anything on armaholic

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I vaguely recall something from those days, but not with any certainty