arma3_scripting

[little eagle]

You do need a spawn somewhere in your code. Depends on where you have the suspension commands.

E.g.

[frank ruin]

[true] spawn life_fnc_storageBox;(gewijzigd)

Should make it work then I assume

[little eagle]

onButtonClick = "[] spawn life_fnc_useItem;";

[frank ruin]

Yes but in that script

I call the storagebox script

So I can simple spawn that one

And keep the call for useitem

[little eagle]

Yes, but I hope you understand what I mean by call having no influence. There is no dichotomy of call vs. spawn and it's a common misconception.

[still forum]

We just love teaching people rather than just giving them the answer too much..

People will think we are rude or trolls

[frank ruin]

Yes yes I read some more information now on what about you are talking.

And it's more clear to me now.

I also fixed another issue with this

On another script i had an uisleep running unsheduled

Was also erroring didn't understood why.

Now I knew and removed the sleep.

[little eagle]

:)
You can use canSuspend to check if suspension commands are allowed.

For debugging.

[frank ruin]

Good I finally understand why that other script was also in the rpt log

Never understood why it was wrong ...

As I used the same sort of code in other script.

But those are called.

Read some kkk blog info about it now also.

Since the biki is still in maintenace mode

[cloud thunder]

help we need the biki back. people are turning to the kkk for help now!

[still forum]

KK? I thought he was gone?
Kappa

[frank ruin]

I meant KK yeh.

Well his blog is still up.

[tough abyss]

He said it'll be up until the hosting runs out.

Someone here achieved it.

[little eagle]

Read some kkk blog
O_o

[tough abyss]

🌜🎹

[still forum]

@little eagle Idea! #dev in Slack
Everything is a Namespace!
15 hashMapSet [key,value]
"helloWorld" hashMapSet [key,value]

If the value that is used as a hashMap isn't one. Then it automatically creates one. And everytime it sees the same value it uses the hashMap it created earlier

Not really different from just using Variables but....

[tough abyss]

What are hash maps?

[little eagle]

Lgtm. Needs no create command. But on the other hand, it's not very consistent with sqf.

[still forum]

@tough abyss Namespaces

basically

It's friggin weird yes.. But that's what makes it awesome

[tough abyss]

And not basically?

[little eagle]

Arrays, but you don't use indices, but strings for your items.

[still forum]

Namespaces. But my hashMap can accept any type as key not just strings

The awesome thing is you don't have to store it in a variable. Meaning no one can call allVariables on anything and get it

[little eagle]

Yeah, true. Any type.

[still forum]

so you can have a secret key which is a number. And only things that have the secret key can access the map

[tough abyss]

Ooo.

I like where this is headed.

[little eagle]

It's what SQF should've added 4 years ago.

[still forum]

The problem is. Garbage collection

[barren magnet]

is what we can hopefully add by ourselves in future enfusion engine based cames, aka dayz and arma 4

[still forum]

How should the hashmap know that it's last reference was deleted if there is no reference to it

[tough abyss]

@barren magnet - 4rm4.

[still forum]

@barren magnet We can already somewhat do it right now in SQF.
I just doesn't make sense because it's so friggin slow

[lone glade]

by adding numbers to the start of the varName you store ascends

[still forum]

Enfusion will only really change the speed and add OOP to it

[lone glade]

higher thonking 👏

wait, better, create an object at 0,0,0 and delete one everytime you remove a ref

[barren magnet]

sure thing, but there are more interfaces that could be opened to us in the engine. Also no matter what you do current arma is not the best when it comes to speed

[tough abyss]

Pretty sure @alganthe#8904 works for BIS.

[marsh storm]

Hey guys, in the absence of the BIWiki, does anyone know offhand what number getDLCs should be putting out for the Orange DLC/

*?

[still forum]

SteamID of the DLC

go to the shopsite of the DLC

it will be in the URL

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Yrc3EUgob3sJ:https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/getDLCs&num=1&strip=1&vwsrc=0

[lone glade]

I think he means the number used as modID

[still forum]

Not even on Biki btw

@lone glade from Biki
288520 - Arma 3 Karts
Karts steam page http://store.steampowered.com/app/288520/Arma_3_Karts/

See?

That is the number

[lone glade]

ooh

forgot steam showed the number of the DLC and not of the main app

[marsh storm]

@still forum cheers mate, that's exactly what I was after

[little eagle]

CfgMods also has the ids.

[marsh storm]

Appreciate that pal

Do you know if it returns the appID array as strings or integers?

[frank ruin]

Arma 3     107410 
Unknown         -1    
Arma 3 Zeus     275700     
Arma 3 Helicopters     304380     
Arma 3 Laws of War     571710    
Arma 3 DLC Bundle 2     612480     
Arma 3 Malden     639600    
Arma 3 Alpha Lite - expires now     228800      
Arma 3 Server     233780    
Arma 3 Soundtrack     249860      
Arma 3 DLC Bundle 1     304400    
Arma 3 Samples     390500    
Arma 3 Apex     395180   
Arma 3 Jets     601670     
Arma 3 Maps     249861      
Arma 3 Tactical Guide     249862 
Arma 3 Tools     233800     
Arma 3 Karts     288520   
Arma 3 Marksmen     332350  

[little eagle]

And they are in the RPT file:

15:39:53 ----------------------------------------- Dlcs -----------------------------------------
15:39:53                                 name      appId   owned  installed  available   isDlc
15:39:53                               Arma 3     107410     yes        yes        yes      no
15:39:53                              Unknown         -1      no         no         no     yes
15:39:53                          Arma 3 Zeus     275700     yes        yes        yes     yes
15:39:53                   Arma 3 Helicopters     304380     yes        yes        yes     yes
15:39:53                   Arma 3 Laws of War     571710     yes        yes        yes     yes
15:39:53                  Arma 3 DLC Bundle 2     612480     yes         no         no     yes
15:39:53                        Arma 3 Malden     639600     yes        yes        yes     yes
15:39:53      Arma 3 Alpha Lite - expires now     228800      no         no         no     yes
15:39:53                        Arma 3 Server     233780     yes        yes         no     yes
15:39:53                    Arma 3 Soundtrack     249860      no         no         no     yes
15:39:53                  Arma 3 DLC Bundle 1     304400     yes        yes        yes     yes

[frank ruin]

I ninjaed you 😄

[little eagle]

😃

[still forum]

@marsh storm Click the wiki Link I've sent and read up yourself

The one before the steam link

[marsh storm]

It says "array of numbers", so I'm gonna assume integers

[still forum]

there are no integers in Arma

everything is floating point

[marsh storm]

vomits

[still forum]

^^

But it will be a floating point number without decimal point

[little eagle]

Natural number. Dumb hackers.

[marsh storm]

OK I'll give it a go! Cheers @still forum

[still forum]

@little eagle Okey fine then.... Single precision IEEE 754 numbers.

[lone glade]

https://imgur.com/a/B4Koe never use mass 0 kids

managed to get to 10 000, didn't knew there was no limit on inventory items number

[little eagle]

That's a lot of lockpicks.

Do they really have no mass? Who merged the PR?

[lone glade]

they really don't have any, no idea

[little eagle]

Now use items player

[still forum]

already did in Slack

using my code that I put into hasItem

the vanilla stuff from that

[little eagle]

So when do we fully integrate Intercept into ACE?

[lone glade]

CBA settings first

[little eagle]

You guys keep adding settings with the ACE framework.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[still forum]

Arsenal only uses CBA

[little eagle]

Alganthe's?

[still forum]

yup

You can already integrate Intercept optionally

check in PREP if ACE Intercept plugin is there and compile a different function depending on that

[little eagle]

Sounds like a pain.

[still forum]

Then it's just add Intercept and everything get's faster

You can also overwrite variables post PREP from inside Intercept

so you load it and it replaces stuff by itself

[little eagle]

Does BE greenlight Intercept or do they still hate it?

[still forum]

They didn't say anything yet

we didn't ask them about anything yet

Overriding compileFinal is only allowed if you have a certificate though. But luckily I am the one creating them 😄

[little eagle]

I wasn't there when the ACE dll were in question.

[still forum]

You can just include it. It will do nothing if Intercept doesn't work. And do magic if it does

[little eagle]

Yes, but then it errors when I use my juicy inCI.

[still forum]

and if you only keep it to Intercept CBA like stuff where you just replace small often used helper functions people won't have to argue about duplicate code

[little eagle]

I don't want a function for case insensitive in though. I can already use the BIS function if I wanted that.

[lone glade]

but muh perf

[still forum]

are you using anything like inCI right now that could easilly be replaced?

Theoretically Intercept can also turn your script back to string. regex replace stuff and compile it again

[tough abyss]

BIS functions
🤢

[little eagle]

Yep.

[still forum]

Or you can just have duplicate code but I know that is one of the reasons not to Intercept soo...

[little eagle]

Oh, that reminds me. I wanted to PS a puke emoji Google blob styl.e

[tough abyss]

Check #random on Slack.

Either go full intercept or no

I uploaded a bunch.

[still forum]

I think Intercept is far enough to go apply for BE signing. Right now I'm working basically full time on it.. Because I don't have anything else to do at work :D
I have about half a dozen things to add one of these is quite big..
I guess after 1.78 release when we know Intercept will be fine with that we'll try and apply for BE

We still don't have our daily dev branch test thingy setup

[little eagle]

Good. Until then you can release TFAR 1.0.

[still forum]

Dorbedo is making the last quality of life changes right now

Only fixing that one bug. then release

well.. then RC for atleast 2 weeks...

But THEN release

[little eagle]

He's also working on TFAR? Nice.

[still forum]

He has a lot of free time currently. unlike me.

[lone glade]

you mean not unlike you 😄

[still forum]

confusing

Don't confuse me I'm scared

[frank ruin]

Mm

I run on the eventhandle handledamge

That you don't receive damage when you are run over with a vehicle.

The thing is people ignore this cause they switch to passenger seat.

So it's the car object that kills them and not them.

if (vehicle _unit isEqualTo _unit) then {
            if ( _source isKindOf "Air" OR _source isKindOf "Car" OR _source isKindOf "Boat" OR _source isKindOf "Tank" ) then
            {
            }
            else
            {
                _isVehicle = vehicle _source;
                //if ((_isVehicle isKindOf "Air" OR _isVehicle isKindOf "Car" OR _isVehicle isKindOf "Boat" OR _isVehicle isKindOf "Tank") AND (driver (vehicle _source) isEqualTo _source)) then
                if (_isVehicle isKindOf "Air" OR _isVehicle isKindOf "Car" OR _isVehicle isKindOf "Boat" OR _isVehicle isKindOf "Tank") then
                {
                    _damage = _currdamage;
                    hint "Since you were VDM'ed you received no damage.";
                    player playActionNow "stop";
                } else {
                if (_source isKindOf "Air" OR _source isKindOf "Car" OR _source isKindOf "Boat" OR _source isKindOf "Tank") then {
                    _damage = _currdamage;
                    hint "Since you were VDM'ed you received no damage.";
                    player playActionNow "stop";
                } else {
                
                };
                
                };
            };
};```

[little eagle]

There is 6 { and 7 } ?

[frank ruin]

6 and 7?

[little eagle]

6 opening curly brackets and 7 closing curly brackets.

That can't be right.

[frank ruin]

No they close correctly

Can see on my syntax last }; closes the first {

[little eagle]

I think I found another one. This is really messy.

[frank ruin]

Well uhm yeh it is ...

Cause I'm experimenting with what works for the issue and what not ...

[noble pond]

You are missing brackets.

{
            if ( _source isKindOf "Air" OR _source isKindOf "Car" OR _source isKindOf "Boat" OR _source isKindOf "Tank" ) then
            {
            
            }
            else
            {
                _isVehicle = vehicle _source;
                //if ((_isVehicle isKindOf "Air" OR _isVehicle isKindOf "Car" OR _isVehicle isKindOf "Boat" OR _isVehicle isKindOf "Tank") AND (driver (vehicle _source) isEqualTo _source)) then
                if (_isVehicle isKindOf "Air" OR _isVehicle isKindOf "Car" OR _isVehicle isKindOf "Boat" OR _isVehicle isKindOf "Tank") then
                {
                    _damage = _currdamage;
                    hint "Since you were VDM'ed you received no damage.";
                    player playActionNow "stop";
                } 
                else 
                {
                    if (_source isKindOf "Air" OR _source isKindOf "Car" OR _source isKindOf "Boat" OR _source isKindOf "Tank") then 
                    {
                        _damage = _currdamage;
                        hint "Since you were VDM'ed you received no damage.";
                        player playActionNow "stop";
                } 
                else 
                {
                
                };
                
                };
            };
};```

cleaned up your code and its amazingly easy to see.

use a program like notepad ++ that does tabs properly and it will be easier to see errors

another tip, always put the brackets and 'else' on their own line

@frank ruin

[frank ruin]

Didn't miss brackets though

I have notepad ++ syntax

[noble pond]

you did miss brackets

you missed one after the hint VDM part

[halcyon crypt]

brackets -> [] braces -> {} 😃

[frank ruin]

} else {

[noble pond]

but the code was such a mess you couldn't easily see the mistake

            {
                _damage = _currdamage;
                hint "Since you were VDM'ed you received no damage.";
                player playActionNow "stop";```

you missed the closing brace(for the terminology wizards) on that part

[little eagle]

{} are curly brackets. Don't listen to the lies.

[frank ruin]

I didn't

cause I put a whatelse

} else {

[noble pond]

lol 'if' has an opening bracket and no closing bracket

can you not see the issue with that?

[frank ruin]

player playActionNow "stop";
} else {

[halcyon crypt]

there were 7 opening and 7 closing braces sooo I don't know what you found 😛

[frank ruin]

closed in the if

^thank you

[noble pond]

lol he corrected his code now

when i copied and pasted it it was wrong.

[frank ruin]

Nope

Copy paste again

[halcyon crypt]

his post wasn't edited

[frank ruin]

^indeed

[little eagle]

I found the seventh one, but it was well hidden.

[noble pond]

{

    if ( _source isKindOf "Air" OR _source isKindOf "Car" OR _source isKindOf "Boat" OR _source isKindOf "Tank" ) then
    {
            
    }
    else
    {
        _isVehicle = vehicle _source;
        //if ((_isVehicle isKindOf "Air" OR _isVehicle isKindOf "Car" OR _isVehicle isKindOf "Boat" OR _isVehicle isKindOf "Tank") AND (driver (vehicle _source) isEqualTo _source)) then
        if (_isVehicle isKindOf "Air" OR _isVehicle isKindOf "Car" OR _isVehicle isKindOf "Boat" OR _isVehicle isKindOf "Tank") then
        {
            _damage = _currdamage;
            hint "Since you were VDM'ed you received no damage.";
            player playActionNow "stop";
        } 
        else 
        {
            if (_source isKindOf "Air" OR _source isKindOf "Car" OR _source isKindOf "Boat" OR _source isKindOf "Tank") then 
            {
                _damage = _currdamage;
                hint "Since you were VDM'ed you received no damage.";
                player playActionNow "stop";
            };
        } 
        else 
        {
        
        };
        
    };
};``` is correct. run that code and i bet it will work now.

[frank ruin]

I mean I agree it's a mess.

[lone glade]

those brackets

fucking nightmare

[frank ruin]

But I do look if all my {} are closed.

[halcyon crypt]

@little eagle :%s/{//n and :%s/}//n 😁

[noble pond]

not a nightmare if you use notepad++ and put them on their own line.

[little eagle]

I eagle eye this usually, but this mess was too much for me 😦

[noble pond]

at that point it becomes very easy to see if there is one missing or not

[frank ruin]

I'm sorry 😦

[little eagle]

😦

[frank ruin]

Actually I noticed another issue

When my friend drives me over

in driver seat

following logs

22:47:44 "Handledamage: unit civ_3 - part arms - damage 0.744614 - source civ_2 - projectile - index 8 "

When he drives me over and switches passenger seat:

[noble pond]

i can see where this is going...........

[frank ruin]

22:48:49 "Handledamage: unit civ_3 - part head - damage 6.73285 - source civ_3 - projectile - index 2 "

It says I'm killing myself

[lone glade]

yes, because it's collision damage

[noble pond]

arma is fucked in this regard. Instead of driver getting blamed for hitting someone it either blames the civ that got hit or the commander of the vehicle :p

[tough abyss]

😮 commy had a emoji instead of a point behind a sentens!

[little eagle]

Sentence*

[noble pond]

💩

[tough abyss]

Am i awake?

Woops 😛

[frank ruin]

So I have to add

OR _unit isequalto _source

So if the source is myself it will not deal damage to me.

The problem is ... how far does this affect other things?

[tough abyss]

Wouldn't epeContact be more fitting to detect this?

[frank ruin]

It works now

But ...

You can't drown nor receive fall damage ...

So ... it works a bit too much. 😄

[marsh storm]

OK so related to my last question:

Any idea why this would work in a local test (both SP and MP) and not on a dedicated?

// Checks for LOW DLC before assigning backpacks
_bagsmall = "VSM_OGA_OD_Backpack_Compact";
_bagmedium = "VSM_OGA_OD_Backpack_Compact";

if (571710 in (getDLCs 1)) then {
_bagsmall = "B_LegStrapBag_olive_F";
_bagmedium = "B_LegStrapBag_olive_F";
};

For context, it's in an F3 gearscript assignment

[frank ruin]

Oh that is weird.

Drowning does work, fall damage doesn't ...

Interesting observations ...µ

So when you eject out of choppers you don't even die ...

Yeh that could be an issue lol

[subtle ore]

you forgot to return the damage 🤦

[frank ruin]

No lolz

That was my point

People are driving in a car

People over which I don't want.

So they switch to passenger seat and they can still kill them with the vehicle.

Cause arma see's it as you killing yourself.

Now I blocked that.

And they can't kill you anymore when they drive you over and switch to passenger seat.

The only issue is, you don't take damage from jumping of high building at all ...

[young current]

why not just kick the offending player

[astral tendon]

is there a event handle or something that can detect when the player use a save game afther restart?

i am having a trouble were the music stop playing after use the save

[little eagle]

Yes.

addMissionEventHandler ["Loaded", {
}];

[astral tendon]

thanks

[little eagle]

yw

[astral tendon]

does triggers also have a tendency to fire again once the game is loaded?

[hollow lantern]

params ["_posize"];

_soldiaG = createGroup resistance;
_soldia  = _soldiaG createUnit ["rhssaf_army_m93_oakleaf_summer_engineer", _posize , [], 0, "NONE"];
_soldia allowDamage false;
removeAllWeapons _soldia;    
_soldia setUnitPos "UP";

_fridge = createVehicle ["Fridge_01_closed_F", position _soldia, [], 0, "CAN_COLLIDE"];
_fridge attachTo [_soldia ,[0.0869141,0.219727,0.679982]];


_light = "#lightpoint" createVehicle (getpos _soldia);
_light setLightBrightness 0.8;
_light setLightAmbient [0,0,0];
_light setLightColor [0.5,0,0.5];
_light lightAttachObject [_soldia, [0,0,1]];
_soldia setSpeaker "NoVoice";

_fridge setVariable ["KI_unitToKill", _soldia, true];
_fridge setVariable ["KI_vehToRemove", _light, true];


[_fridge, ["HitPart", {
    _object = _this select 0 select 0;
    _hits = _object getVariable "hitTimes";
    _unit = _object getVariable ["KI_unitToKill", objNull];
    _light = _object getVariable ["KI_vehToRemove", objNull];
    if(isNil "_hits") exitWith { _object setVariable ["hitTimes", 1]; };
    if(_hits == 1 && alive _object) exitWith {
        for "_i" from 1 to 2 do {
            createVehicle ["Bo_GBU12_LGB",[(getPos _object select 0)+ (_i*cos (_i*17.5)),(getPos _object select 1)+ (_i*sin (_i*17.5)),0],[],0,"CAN_COLLIDE"];
            _object setDamage 1;
            _unit setDamage 1;
            deleteVehicle _light;
        };
        _object setVariable ["hitTimes", 0];
    };
    _object setVariable ["hitTimes", (_hits + 1)];
}]] remoteExecCall ["addEventHandler", 0, _obj];``` someone can tell me why my EH is not firing? this is one script I executed so the EH is within it

[hollow raft]

not sure if this is the right place, but I am trying to script a demand for a specific facewear item. Wiki is currently down - does anyone know what the facewear 'class' is called?
if (facewearclass = "specificfacewear) then
etc

[lone glade]

config parent for facewear is CfgGlasses

[hollow raft]

thank you very much

[astral tendon]

how do i get a value of allowDamage if is true or false?

how do i make a bug report about the editor?

[austere granite]

whats the bug?

[astral tendon]

the enable damage check mark does not work if the player load a save, the unit will have damage enable

but if you put allowDamage false on the unit init it keeps

[astral tendon]

actually, nevermind. this seens to be a problem only with the explosive satchel, even if you put allowDamage on it init

scracth that, this seens to be a problem to all props.

[halcyon crypt]

hmmmmmmm

what would cause a function not being "available" in the editor

but it is during mission play

when returning to the editor the function is gone again

🤔

or, in other words, how do I get my function to work in the editor?

[tough abyss]

hi, can this work?

{ 
    _x setCaptive true 
} forEach thisList;

if I want everyone in the trigger show as a civilian?

[plush cargo]

i think this list only shows units in the trigger that can activate the trigger

so if your trig activation is set to opfor then only opfor in the trigger will show up

i think

[little eagle]

@halcyon crypt Do you use CfgFunctions / preInit = 1 to define your functions? If so then it's absolutely broken. The 3D editor is essentially incompatible with the CfgFunctions framework.
https://github.com/CBATeam/CBA_A3/issues/349
https://github.com/CBATeam/CBA_A3/pull/350
https://github.com/CBATeam/CBA_A3/pull/563
https://github.com/CBATeam/CBA_A3/pull/624

[halcyon crypt]

we use CfgFunctions and not preInit

[little eagle]

CfgFunctions has preInit.

It's just happens to have the same name as XEH preInit.

Don't mix them up.

[halcyon crypt]

yeah but it's not set to 1 is what I meant 😃

[little oxide]

@little eagle Why cfgfunctions is incompatible with 3D Editor simple question ?

[little eagle]

Read the links.

Why? Because it is. It doesn't work. They way the programmed it makes it incompatible and it's basically random if your functions are defined or not.

Not really random. It depends on how you open the 3den interface. All explained in these issues/pull request.

[halcyon crypt]

we never used preInit and it worked just fine before like a year ago

[little eagle]

Yes, but not always in 3den. Read the issues.

Anyway. ACE3 uses CBA's preInit XEH and that solves all the problems.

No.

we never used preInit and it worked just fine before like a year ago
We've been checking this since 3den came out every patch and it never worked. It only appears to work, because it strongly depends on how you enter the 3den display.

It never worked in all circumstances.

Although there have been random changes in patches without them appearing in the changelog.

[hollow raft]

I realise there's another topic going on but I may as well ask - with the wiki still under maintenance I'm at my wit's end.
I am trying to run a constant check within a trigger area if the players are wearing a specific item. If they do not, the specific player that isn't wearing that item is punished (e.g. setdamage 1;). I really don't know enough about scripting to make it work, so I'd appreciate some help.

[little eagle]

What item?

[hollow raft]

Facewear, it is meant to be a gas mask.

[halcyon crypt]

@little eagle 3den enhanced seems to be working and just uses CfgFunctions (without preInit = 1), no 3DEN EHs either

[little eagle]

Yes and those are wiped if you switch the terrain or return from a preview.

0 spawn {
    if (player inArea "MARKER" && {goggles player != "GASMASK"}) then {
        player setDamage 1;
   };
};

Something like this ^ @hollow raft

?

"googles". Damn muscle memory

[hollow raft]

something like that, my problem is that this is a script that needs to be run for several players, so using a thislist I imagine

[little eagle]

No. Just do this in init.sqf or something.

Oh and a while loop. Sorry.

[hollow raft]

player will count all players?

[little eagle]

//ìnit.sqf
0 spawn {
    while {
        sleep 1;

        if (player inArea "MARKER" && {goggles player != "GASMASK"}) then {
            player setDamage 1;
        };

        true
    } do {};
};

You don't need allPlayers if you execute this on every machine.

There is only ever one player on any machine.

Let each client handle their local player.

[hollow raft]

oh yeah, this is true.

thanks, this is very helpful

[halcyon crypt]

@little eagle just checked 3den enhanced and the functions persist when changing terrain and after previewing etc

weird stuff

[little eagle]

What build are you on?

[halcyon crypt]

the linux port

[little eagle]

Oh, that's a few versions back.

[halcyon crypt]

1.70

[little eagle]

I think opening the functions viewer makes the editor recompile all CfgFunctions defined functions.

[halcyon crypt]

didn't open the function viewer, just a diag_log of the function

anyway, I guess I'll just have to find out what 3den enhanced does differently

or switch to CBA's function system thingy

[little eagle]

I don't remember old versions, but try to figure out when they're undefined and if the same repro still works for 1.76

Switching terrain, returning from preview, entering the first time from main menu etc. Those are all different scenarios that can lead to different results.

[halcyon crypt]

well for 1.70 3den enhanced works on first editor entry, after preview and after switching terrain. ALiVE functions don't exist in all cases. 😛

[little eagle]

Not in any of them?

Or not in some of them?

"all" is ambiguous. : /

[halcyon crypt]

in any of them

a full functions recompile doesn't make them appear either

[little eagle]

What function for example?

[halcyon crypt]

3den enhanced: Enh_fnc_logFactions
ALiVE: ALiVE_fnc_copyFactionClasses

but it's the same for ALL functions in ALiVE

[little eagle]

🤔

Comment out the RECOMPILE entry?

https://github.com/ALiVEOS/ALiVE.OS/blob/master/addons/ui/CfgFunctions.hpp#L39

I have no idea tbh. That is not what I encountered.

[hollow raft]

So I've tested this and it does not appear to work.
I tested with changing so that it would look for a specific variable, to run a hint if {goggles player != "avon_FM12"}, etc. I'm not sure what's not functional

[little eagle]

That's not how you use if.

[hollow raft]

No, as in I tested a trigger with the condition that "{goggles player != "avon_FM12"}", not with if in it

[little eagle]

Scrap the trigger and use a marker.

I named it "MARKER" in my example, but you probably have to chose a different name.

[hollow raft]

i'll try that and see if there's a difference

[little eagle]

You did place that code in init.sqf though?

[hollow raft]

yeah, in the init.sqf

[little eagle]

A condition {goggles player != "avon_FM12"} will never report true, because it's just a CODE block that is never evaluated.

[hollow raft]

Putting it as a marker worked, you're a hero.

[little eagle]

call {goggles player != "avon_FM12"} <<< this could report true, but then you might as well delete the call {} part.

[hollow raft]

in theory, would putting a "sleep" in give them the possibility to stop the script? or since it has already evaluated it as true keep running? so for example:

0 spawn {
while {
sleep 1;

    if (player inArea "MARKER" && {goggles player != "avon_FM12"}) then 

hint "You're not wearing a Gas Mask!";
sleep 3;
{
player setDamage 1;
};

    true
} do {};

};

i guess I could run that same twice, e.g. check, then hint, sleep 4-5, then run that check again and if still no gas mask, it kills them?

[little eagle]

Doesn't look right to me. The hint comes immediately after the then without the curly bracket for the CODE block.

[hollow raft]

well, the principle behind it?

[little eagle]

The player would die regardless if he left the area or put on a mask, because after those 3 seconds, that is never checked again.

[hollow raft]

Yeah, that makes sense - thanks again

[halcyon crypt]

@little eagle yep.. removing the RECOMPILE macro thingy fixes it

weird

[little eagle]

Wow, that was just a weird guess.

[halcyon crypt]

no it's a question of why the hell that's causing a problem

[little eagle]

I don't know. CfgFunctions internals are really strange.

It looks like someone amended the code until it appeared to work. Over and over again in the past.

Maybe it was fixed in the last year. 1.70 is pretty old.

[halcyon crypt]

well it also happens in 1.76 or whatever the latest version is

as in, the reports are that the function doesn't work

[little eagle]

I guess you have to remove the recompile flag then.

[halcyon crypt]

yeah oh well, not a big deal

I guess it kinda makes sense since it's supposed to recompile on mission start but I don't get why they would not compile it before and after

[little eagle]

It makes no sense. It's just broken like so many other things when you look at them long enough.

[still forum]

Did anyone ever observe the types TARGET SUBGROUP or NetObject in SQF?

[little eagle]

No, no and there is a command that is supposed to report NET_OBJECT, but just reports a number instead.

netObjNull

There it is. netObjNull. Reports 0 or -1 or something like that instead of the proper type.

false! It was false.

[still forum]

This is fun.... NOT

How would I hash a NaN ? 😄

[little eagle]

log -1 hashCreate ["key", 123]
?

[still forum]

Working on Intercept backend

As workaround for the types that I don't know I just call str and hash the string

but I'm sure that str will just return "NaN"

[little eagle]

What do you mean by types you don't know?

typeName log -1 // "NaN"

[still forum]

Types that Intercept doesn't know

I know the typename

but I don't know the underlying structure

[little eagle]

Can't you make the SQF data type (right name for typeName?) part of the hash?

[still forum]

sure

But..

Can you theoretically have 2 different NaN's

because in that case they should have different hashes

[little eagle]

No one should ever use NaN as container.

That's just silly.

[still forum]

No. But could appear as key

[little eagle]

And? Just define all NaN to be the same key.

[still forum]

Do you know of a way to create NaN's that wouldn't be the same?

[little eagle]

• log -1
  vs
  log -1

[still forum]

In C++ if you get a NaN or inf for example you can still calculate with them although they are out of spec

[little eagle]

Both are == equal, but stringified they are different.

So even SQF is not as rigorous.

[still forum]

hmpf... I guess I'll just use str then if that works somewhat

[little eagle]

That causes even more issues though.

str configNull // ""

[still forum]

I only use that for types I don't know the structure of

These are NaN, TASK and DIARY_RECORD

I already know the last 2 produce different strings based on value

[little eagle]

No one will ever use those as keys^^

[still forum]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I'm building the backend here. That has to support everything anyone might ever do

[little eagle]

Try to make it like find would.

And:
[- log -1] find log -1 // 0

Even though one is QNAN and the other is INF

[still forum]

find calls isEqualTo on each member. Iterating lineraly.
I can't do that with a hashmap

And if idiots use those as keys it's their fault ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[little eagle]

Sure. I didn't say reuse it. But try to find a way that emulates the same results.

[serene basin]

has the wiki been down for the past few days ?

[little eagle]

Yes.

[serene basin]

:(

for a scripted salute, playAction correct ?

[subtle ore]

Sure.

[serene basin]

how do you stop that one ?

[little eagle]

unit action ["salute", unit];

Doesn't work on AI.

[serene basin]

This is for AI though

[little eagle]

Causes a person to salute. AI controlled units will only make a momentary salute, unless the AI is in safe or careless behaviour mode.

Put them in safe or careless apparently.

[serene basin]

ok

and to stop it give an empty string like with switchmove ?

[little eagle]

unit setBehaviour "SAFE";
unit action ["salute", unit];

Something like that I guess.

Never tried this myself, but I'm sure that playMove wouldn't do it.

[serene basin]

thanks btw, trying

[marsh storm]

Anyone know how to set the supply drop module to use a different crate? I want it to drop the IDAP orange crate or the food bags and currently I can't get it to use anything but the NATO one.

And I also can't get it to work as CIV side

if I sync to a BLU unit it works fine and I can call a crate

but no dice with the CIV faction.

I can set the crate loadout etc, that's A-OK

but no idea how to set the model

[serene basin]

doesn't it just have a different object name ?

[marsh storm]

There's no option to set that in the module unfortunately

Or I'd just change it

[serene basin]

oh the module, i dont think you can change that

but im probably wrong >.>

you'd have to alter the class perhaps, but thats way beyond me

[meager heart]

You can try something like http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=31915 but i have no idea is it still working
Create your version of it..

[serene basin]

why would if (_State == "open") { _Gate animate ["Door_1_rot", 1]; }; cause a missing ; error ..

[still forum]

Because you have a syntax error

[serene basin]

D:

[still forum]

Which would be fixed by putting a ; in there

[serene basin]

where did i goof up, im not used to arma scripting

[still forum]

That's not the fix that you would want. But seen from engine that is a fix

right in the middle between ) and {

[serene basin]

whats the fix that i would want

[still forum]

put a then in there

[serene basin]

ah derp

if () then

thanks

so used to php that those differences get me all the time

[brazen sparrow]

im sure others have asked it but any eta on the BIS wiki?

[still forum]

nope

And if then it will most likely be posted in #community_wiki

[little eagle]

It's dead, get used to it.

[halcyon crypt]

any way to pass around an object to setTriggerStatements?

[still forum]

global variable

[halcyon crypt]

boooo

[still forum]

why?

[halcyon crypt]

needs to be unique

[still forum]

global array that you only push to and never delete.
Then hardcode the array index into the string using format

That's unique enough

[halcyon crypt]

ah I guess that would work well enough 😃

thanks

could also just setVariable on the trigger object

I guess it's "cleaner" than polluting the global scope

[subtle ore]

Doesn't necessarily mean it's the best

[halcyon crypt]

well it is the best since only the trigger needs to know about the object IMO

[little eagle]

setVar on the trigger object?

[queen cargo]

Isn't a trigger also just a game logic?
Not got my type list of sqf rdy right now

[halcyon crypt]

hey biki is back 😃

finally

@little eagle yes?

[little eagle]

Game logics are objects and so are triggers. With both you can use setVariable.

So you can store the object on the trigger and have the same statement for multiple triggers that pull an object from the triggers namespace and check for that. No globals unless you consider object namespace variables as globals.

[halcyon crypt]

[5:45 PM] marceldev89: could also just setVariable on the trigger object

😛

[little eagle]

Agreed.

With triggers you already waste computation time on an network synched object. Might as well use the namespace from it.

[queen cargo]

@Dedmen simple in area command comparing current position with two positions provided could also be useful

2d and 3d should be supported

Could save time

@still forum gah.. Bloody app

[little eagle]

Isn't this what inAreaArray does?

[queen cargo]

Not sure

Tbh never used that command

[little eagle]

allPlayers inAreaArray "marker_1"

-> all players in that marker

[jade abyss]

inArea too

inAreaArray = checking multiple positions

[queen cargo]

Not doing what I was talking about

[little eagle]

Example then.

[queen cargo]

But close to it

[jade abyss]

@Dedmen simple in area command comparing current position with two positions provided could also be useful
Thats what it sounds like ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[queen cargo]

Player isincommand [[1,1,1],[50,50,50]]

Alternatively with only two scalar per array for non height related

[jade abyss]

So checking from [0,0,0] to [50,50,50]?

Thats inArea

[cedar kindle]

🤔

[queen cargo]

Though.. Was not aware of the command you gave

[little eagle]

Yeah, I don't think a point can be inside another point.

But I think I get it.

player inArea "marker_1" || player inArea "marker_2"

This?

[queen cargo]

You give two points as area

[jade abyss]

inAreaArray for that

[queen cargo]

Those give bounding box in which you check if another point is in there

[jade abyss]

They just give 2D-Coords, no BB

[little eagle]

So not my example?

[queen cargo]

Tbh... Was not aware of inareaarray which would cover the use case I had in mind
But would not be useful for simple bounding box expansion checks

[little eagle]

player inAreaAny [trigger1, "marker1", [center1, a1, b1, angle1, isRectangle1, c1]];

A command like this maybe?

[jade abyss]

If course oO

InArea can check for markers (of any shape) or Coords

+what Commy wrote: isRectangle1 <-

So BB Checking is possible

[little eagle]

Yes. By any I mean that you provide multiple positions as shortcut for having to use multiple inArea commands. How would you write my example with inAreaArray? I don't see it.

[jade abyss]

lemme try to find something, not sure if i still have it

[little eagle]

Thx.

[queen cargo]

Currently on mobile that is why I cannot really explain enough 🙈

Gonna try to get something together later

[little eagle]

Just write a wall of text later.

+1

[queen cargo]

Not Rly needed though...
The use case I wanted covered to replace triggers is already covered by inareaarray

[still forum]

Dedmen is currently working on ACE Intercept stuff. And Dedmen has to go to bed early today. Dedmen no time for stuff

[queen cargo]

Poor Dedmen

[jade abyss]

mimimi

[queen cargo]

Got headaches today preventing me from doing anything..

[jade abyss]

@little eagle Can't find anything here anymore, only inArea commands -.-

Hey, Wiki is back up

player inArea "marker_1" || player inArea "marker_2"```
was correct.
```sqf
allPlayers inAreaArray location_1;```
was the correct one for checking if multiple Units are in an Area. No clue what i did back then, prolly just adding a forEach Loop for each Location/Marker. Can't remember

Ah, i used inPolygon before (regarding "multiple Coords"). Tricky memory...
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/inPolygon

[queen cargo]

Yup
Would be the closest to resemble what I was talking about

[little eagle]

Probably not with scripting alone and without configs / mods.

[little eagle]

What do you think?

[old glade]

Quick question I'm pretty sure I already know the anwser to:

[little eagle]

"Yes".

[old glade]

Is it more efficent to cache config values as variables or cache the paths

or just avoid caching anything

because varaible pollution is annoying

I would run a test but I'm on my laptop >.>

[little eagle]

Depends on how you do it I guess.

[old glade]

getNumber (configfile >> stuff)

every time a script executes

Or: globalCacheVar = getNumber (configfile >> stuff);

[little eagle]

Vanilla?

[old glade]

Vanilla or modded

Doesn't really matter in this case

It's for a loot spawn script I've been making/messing around with

[little eagle]

if (isNil QGVAR(namespace)) then {
    GVAR(namespace) = call CBA_fnc_createNamespace;
};

private _compatibleItems = GVAR(namespace) getVariable _weapon;

if (isNil "_compatibleItems") then {
    _compatibleItems = [];

    // do lots of config look ups and evaluations

    GVAR(namespace) setVariable [_weapon, _compatibleItems]; //save entry in cache
};

_compatibleItems // return

This is the principle. GVAR(something) is just a global variable.

[old glade]

Yeah...

I was wondering based on code execution time

pretty sure globalvar < config

in speed

[little eagle]

This makes it like a thousand times faster after the first run. But it all depends on how much stuff you do.

[old glade]

figured

It's the actual config lookup that takes time then?

[sour saffron]

can you use ropecreate without the Helo Dlc ?

[old glade]

Yes

[sour saffron]

i keep getting those Shift + P

[subtle ore]

Yes?

[sour saffron]

dlc advert when i enter roprecreate

[subtle ore]

Why wouldn't you be able to?

[old glade]

lol

idk

never had that happen

But I also own all the dlc 😛

[little eagle]

Probably because you have a weapon you don't own or are sitting in a heli you don't own.

[old glade]

something something bishill

[little eagle]

Some mission you don't own.

idk

[old glade]

yeah

[sour saffron]

im on Dev im in a civilian unit no weapons or anything

[old glade]

Are you using the slingloading ui?

[little eagle]

Items too. Like uniforms.

[sour saffron]

in VR as a civ

[old glade]

or just the command?

[subtle ore]

no, there should be no restrictions on slingloading

[old glade]

There aren't

[subtle ore]

Like I said

[sour saffron]

just the command in a line of code ropeccreate and then screen full of handshkaes

[old glade]

lolwut

[subtle ore]

ropecreate is just a command just like anything else

[old glade]

welp

[subtle ore]

has nothing to do with dlc ownership

[sour saffron]

yeah but the rope is a model

[old glade]

I guess I'm going to cache all them variables

.>

Acutally

fuck it

multi-dim array

[sour saffron]

the created model is maybe DLC ?

[old glade]

because I can't be assed to make like a gazzilion variables

[subtle ore]

doesn't matter

[sour saffron]

anyway thanks for the definiet answer as always , great pool of knowl;edge 😃

[old glade]

lol

[subtle ore]

Yeah sure lol 👍

[old glade]

Yesterday the wiki was down

It was terribe

I had to use the cached page... So all the links didn't work

[subtle ore]

Wasn't just yesterday lol

[old glade]

Ikr lol

"24 hours"

[subtle ore]

It was more like 4 days

[old glade]

inb4 someone accidentally deleted it

and they had to restore backups

[sour saffron]

goto OFPEC or use the comref

[old glade]

Wouldn't suprise me, shit happens lol

[subtle ore]

No one "acidentally deletes" forum / wiki software lol

pretty sure they are using a form of media wiki correct?

[old glade]

You would be suprised

There is a story of a new hire accidentally deleting a company's production database

Shit can happen

Or my personal favorite

[subtle ore]

that is why you don't let people have power to everything

[old glade]

In vancouver we have a light rail system called the skytrain

It's completely automated

[subtle ore]

divy it up between all employees, so if all else fails they will have to work together

[old glade]

One time

The were doing maintainence

so they moved everything on to the backup server and ran that

a tech accidentally unplugged the wrong thing

and hardcrashed the entire system

All the trains just stopped

[subtle ore]

🤦

jesus christ

[old glade]

yeah lol

shit happens

Config values are retreived from disk?

right?

Or are they cached in memory?

[subtle ore]

Not sure. #arma3_config is your best area for questions like that

iirc though they are from disk, not sure though.

[old glade]

I'm asking for the sake of script performance

Yeah

i'm 90% sure it's disk

because monitoring disk usage shows that when you do things on a server it reads certain pbos at certain times

[subtle ore]

or when loading the game yeah

[old glade]

Well

It loads and compiles everything

scripts and such

then I guess it refers back to the configs when needed

I honestly have no idea lol

[subtle ore]

I would think so too. #arma3_config has a wealth of knowledge

[old glade]

Yep

Oh, script related question and sometimes makes me stay awake a night...

Is there a performance hit if you use a multi-dim array to store lots of values instead of dedicated variables?

I don't think there would be, but it's sqf 🤷

[subtle ore]

well if you need to do a multi dimensional array, then I would say it's better than just trying to spread it out with multiple variables.

[old glade]

ofc

[subtle ore]

especially if you are going to be getting that data later on

[old glade]

I always try to abuse arrays to their full potential

[subtle ore]

Alright, so what's the confusion?

[old glade]

No confusion

I'm just wondering if everything I've ever done is a lie

and if it's actually more performance heavy

I don't think it is, but in sqf you can overide nil with a value soo

[subtle ore]

well if you are setting that variable constantly, maybe.

[old glade]

yeah...

I wish sqf had hash tables

that would make me very happy

(ik there are ways to implement them)

but native hash tables would be nice...

enforcescript pls

[subtle ore]

iirc kk has something like tha in an extension format

[little eagle]

Only 3 more years and Dedmen releases Intercept.

[old glade]

lol

[little eagle]

Then you have your hashes.

[old glade]

Enforce is pretty much C++ anyways

So i've heard from sources

[subtle ore]

3 years? jeesh man

[old glade]

it even has classes apparently

[subtle ore]

no it's actually more like C# and Java

[old glade]

properly classes

ah right

It was C#

not C++, morning... Tired....

anyway

actual OOP

yayyyy

_myArray = [[],[]];
(_myArray select 0) pushback "stuff";

will that horribly break?

[subtle ore]

Ehhh..I would recommend you store your data before nesting it in that array

[old glade]

but I'm using the array to store the data

[little eagle]

Works just fine.

[subtle ore]

Make Array - > Store Data - > Insert Array

[old glade]

k

No point in storing data

[subtle ore]

Eehh

[old glade]

It just adds execution time

also

Not really relevent for the function

I'm compressing an array

[subtle ore]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

well there is your answer

[old glade]

[["class1",0.15],["class2",0.12],["class3",0.15]] >>> Turning that to >>> [[0.15,0.12] , [["class1","class3"],["class2"]]

basically compression

the select pushback makes my life easier

[little eagle]

Why don't you just create a LOCATION as container and use setVariable / getVariable at that point?

[old glade]

Does that increase network traffic?

This is running serverside only

no need to broadcast

[little eagle]

LOCATIONS only exist on the machine they're created on.

No network stuff in that simulation.

[old glade]

hmm

[little eagle]

If you need to broadcast then you can use simple objects. Type "Building" for example.

[old glade]

Yeah... Using a location is a good idea

[little eagle]

That is what CBA_fnc_createNamespace does.

[old glade]

what type of location?

[little eagle]

Optimized version of "Name"

But doesn't matter for a dedi, because that never opens the map anyway. No interface.

[old glade]

myNamespace = createLocation [ "NameLocal" , [0,0,0], 0, 0]; ?

[little eagle]

lgtm

Just "Name". Don't know if "NameLocal" exists.

[old glade]

"name" is a valid location?

name local was introduced in a3

idk

[still forum]

@old glade Config is in Ram. But config lookups are VERY slow compared to Global var lookups.
Namespace is a hashmap. Array is fine if you don't search for stuff.
We have hashtables. CBA can create Namespaces. But they only support STRING as keytype. Which is what Commy already told you

If you are running serverside only you might aswell just use Intercept CBA's hashMap

[old glade]

k

[frank ruin]

Is there a command to get the specific rangefinder slot item?

As it's seen as a weapon by Arma 3.

[little eagle]

binocular

[frank ruin]

Ah there is 😮

Cheers!

Was filtering on weapon but didn't find it. 😄

But no addbinocular

that's still weapon lolz

sense ...

[subtle ore]

assignITem

woops

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/assignItem

[frank ruin]

Oh yes thanks I was aware of that command.

[subtle ore]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/addItem

[frank ruin]

Just had some issue figuring out how to get the class of the rangefinder and such

cause you have the entire primary,secondary, handgun commands for the rest 😉

[subtle ore]

Err..yeah, well you also have hmd for head mounted displays / goggles / nvg type equipment

[little eagle]

The only thing that's missing is removing or adding a magazine to a binocular/rangefinder.

The batteries.

[subtle ore]

Wouldn't you technically be able to just reload it ?

[little eagle]

Yeah, but what if you're naked or all containers are full?

[subtle ore]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[digital hollow]

Need mouth inv slot.

Hold flashlight, battery...

[subtle ore]

You mean like a virtual weapon holder?

[digital hollow]

Like how they added underbarrel, extra inventory slot for small items.

[subtle ore]

Right, but do you seriously want another item slot just so you can reload something without a holder present?

[digital hollow]

More of a joke suggestion, but why not?

[subtle ore]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[little eagle]

The current system is way too rigid. For A4: Ctrl+A , DEL

[digital hollow]

I was inspired by remembering Receiver, which let you put your flashlight in your mouth while manipulating your stuff.

[old glade]

does this actually execute? selectrandom ["item"]

Or does it just give you the string

i want to know whether it's worth my time to not create single element arrays in a loop

it would mean putting in another check

well 2 checks

anyone?

is there a big deference performance by doing selectrandom ["item"] over just "item"?

[subtle ore]

code performance it /shrug

[old glade]

like 60% or so of the executions of a function will have arrays with lengths greater than 1 but is it worth making an exception for the rest?

I'm on a phone lol

also I was on my laptop earlier

I'm probably going to do it when I get hone,but I thought I would ask

[frank ruin]

this disableTIEquipment false;

Doesn't disable thermal on the 50cal BMG turret

[old glade]

it's a vehicle?

[frank ruin]

Well it's a turret?

[old glade]

turrets are vehicles

[frank ruin]

Well doesn't disable it though ...

[old glade]

does that command normally work on vehicles?

[frank ruin]

Yes it does

[little eagle]

selectRandom ["item"]

is always "item".
Knowing sqf it's probably still faster than

["item"] select 0

[old glade]

lol

yeah I figured it was always "item", I was wondering if it was worth putting in a check but it's probably nor

not*

[little eagle]

Definitely not.

Try to put as much load into C++ internals as possible. The less SQF commands you use, the better.

[old glade]

yep

it's what I do lol

sqf is slooow

[little eagle]

There is gigantic overhead for every command used no matter which one it is. Most of it is type validation I believe.

[old glade]

yuck

I guess you need to make things idiot proof

[frank ruin]

Nope doesn't wanna remove thermal on the turret fml ...

[little eagle]

Yeah, but you'd do that when compiling the code. Not during runtime. But I guess you'd need ...

[old glade]

wait...

it does type checking at runtime?

[little eagle]

Yes.

[old glade]

why.

lol

[little eagle]

Otherwise it wouldn't be so slow.

[old glade]

ik why

[little eagle]

It's all fixable. You need to put a lot of time into it though.

[old glade]

yeah

technical debt sucks

[little eagle]

This is why I'm not very optimistic about EnScript. It's the same people making it that made SQF and developing it takes away time that could be spent fixing the actual issues.

So it's probably the same mistakes all over again.

[old glade]

eh idk

I'm a bit optimistic

although. intercept will be awesome... When it gets done lol

[little eagle]

First step would be identifying the issues. But no one really names them ever. Just a general "it's bad". But if you don't know why, you won't be able to solve them.

[old glade]

yeah i hate that

When people use "Its arma" as a reason something fixable is broken

although there are some things that works as an explanation for lpl

[little eagle]

"It's Arma" most of the time comes from people that didn't understand what they were doing. But it's partly Arma itself that is to blame. Many things don't do what their names imply. I have no idea how it is in programming in other places. I hate computers. But people are way to quick in believing what a name says.

[old glade]

Or my favorite thing: ___ map kills servers

Or ___ mod is lagging the server

-.-

it's the least descriptive thing you could say

honestly it's just a lack of understanding

people don't understand that the client and server are separate

[little eagle]

That the users are dumb is a given.

[astral tendon]

Guys, thanks for the help on make this mission
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1175600763

All that script help was for this.

[subtle ore]

Again with the insane amount of mods

[lone glade]

"insane"

[old glade]

meh that ain't bad

[subtle ore]

15 mods? That is too many

[barren magnet]

More mods = more fps or did i get something wrong ?

so 15 seems like a great number to me

But really, 15 mods is not too much, considering that some of them belong together ....

[old glade]

That's the thing... Mod count doesn't mean Jack shit... Except for breaking the server browser :p

It's not about how many mods you have but about how well they're made and how well they run

[jade abyss]

erm, iirc there was a Limit on how many you can load

[queen cargo]

Rly @jade abyss?

[jade abyss]

Yeah, but not related to Arma itself iirc

[queen cargo]

Cannot imagine due to bi also just providing pbos

[jade abyss]

I think the -mod Path had a limit of how many sign can be added

[queen cargo]

You mean the 256 windows buffer problem

[jade abyss]

No clue how it's called

There was a guy in here, wich Path was too long and it didn't load all the Mods properly

[queen cargo]

Not related to the parameter but to how Windows stores links

[jade abyss]

No clue. Is there a workaround doable?

[queen cargo]

Using command line it will work

[old glade]

lol

meanwhile: at bethesda

[jade abyss]

He used .bat File

[old glade]

let's use a byte to store mod ids

[austere granite]

you can use parameter file to get around that

[queen cargo]

Could be that there is also a limit on that buffer for cmd line

[jade abyss]

Yep, i guess so

[queen cargo]

@old glade no game limitations we talk about here

[austere granite]

If you use full paths it quickly adds up, so just use a parameter file, put the mod paths in there and all good

[jade abyss]

He removed some/shortened the links -> Worked

[old glade]

why on earth would you load 256 mods tho

[jade abyss]

Signs, Jmaster

[austere granite]

PBO limits that's why there's the special thing for 'sub configs'

[queen cargo]

Not 256 mods
Characters

[digital pulsar]

init.sqf

    MYT_spectatorGroup = createGroup [sideLogic, false];
    MYT_spectatorGroup setGroupIdGlobal ["Spectators"];
    publicVariable "MYT_spectatorGroup";
};```
onPlayerKilled.sqf

params ["_oldUnit", "_killer", "_respawn", "_respawnDelay"];
waitUntil {!isNil "MYT_spectatorGroup"};
[_oldUnit] joinSilent MYT_spectatorGroup;

In some playthroughs, `MYT_spectatorGroup` evaluates to grpNull and everyone joins different group upon death. Any idea why would that be?

[austere granite]

where it's parentmod thingie

that's what BIS uses in just about everything

[old glade]

@queen cargo what do you mean about that

[jade abyss]

a = 1 Char
aa = 2 Char 😄

[queen cargo]

@digital pulsar groups get cleaned up automatically
You have to explicitly disable that behavior

Probably your group was empty at some point

[tough abyss]

No they dont 😛

[queen cargo]

And thus got garbage collected

[digital pulsar]

i do, i specified false in createGroup

[old glade]

I was making a joke about bethesda

[queen cargo]

You cannot do that without them being wrong

[digital pulsar]

Syntax: createGroup [side, deleteWhenEmpty] (since Arma 3 v1.67)

deleteWhenEmptyButOccasionallyIgnoreThisFlagAnyway

[tough abyss]

You prob have some code deleting groups somewhere using any particular addos / missions

[digital pulsar]

no mods

and i dont think i referenced that var anywhere else in the mission

[old glade]

garbage collector?

[lone glade]

inb4 the garbage collector had groups re-added to it

[old glade]

lol

[lone glade]

after all, they were removed from it for no reasons cough, because of a bug actually

[old glade]

wait that option was removed?

-.-

[lone glade]

yes, since 1.47 or somethng

[old glade]

probably because it gained sentience and killed the cat or something

wouldn't surprise me

[lone glade]

nah, afaik a bug caused it to not delete groups anymore and somehow it was considered a feature

I want copilot FFV in the hummy back T.T

that 1 day was glorious

[old glade]

"No garbage collector stop! that's not garbage it's mittens!

wait what

ffv from the copilot seat?!

[lone glade]

yes, you could fire your pistol from the copilot seat

[old glade]

why is this not a thing

I've seen a video of a cop doing that

[lone glade]

because it isn't, it stayed for a day and got removed

[old glade]

then jumping out and tackling someone

damn

it would be awesome to have it as an option...

[lone glade]

let's see how bad the search is on the BIS forums

[old glade]

lol

[agile pumice]

https://pastebin.com/raw/vciE6vAr I get the exit 2 hint, but the loop doesn't stop

[old glade]

someone needs to make a mod where you can fire from a quads driverseat

Or at the very least the backseat

[agile pumice]

I thought you could already do it from the back seat

[old glade]

can you?

I've never been able to

[agile pumice]

not entirely sure

you should be able to modify the config to allow it

[halcyon crypt]

anyone that happens to know how getPylonMagazines behaves on vehicles without pylon support?

returns and empty array

thanks anyway 😃

[agile pumice]

can anyone tell me why the loop continues despite the exitwith?

[lone glade]

what loop?

[agile pumice]

from the pastebin I linked

[lone glade]

you're using while true, ohgod

[agile pumice]

well my exit conditions aren't very simple so

[lone glade]

they are

[agile pumice]

not to me, sorry, correction XD

don't I need an exit to break the scope and terminate the code?

[lone glade]

you do, exitWith exit the current scope

so either the local var you're using isn't defined or it's not a bool

[agile pumice]

if I put all my conditions in the while {}, what do I have left to breakout with?

[lone glade]

eh, there isn't that many options in vanilla

[jade abyss]

didn't he said he get the "exit 2" hint?

[agile pumice]

I do

[jade abyss]

So everything should be fine, unless you got a 2nd loop running

[agile pumice]

It doesn't sound like I do

I can double check

[jade abyss]

+Use systemchat instead

hint overwrites the older one

[agile pumice]

I am right now 😃

[jade abyss]

😉

[agile pumice]

right before the while true

systemChat "lets start!";

[jade abyss]

No, inside the Loop

[agile pumice]

if I see two of these, then there are two loops

[jade abyss]

with

systemchat str diag_TickTime;

[lone glade]

it might trigger spam protection if his sleep timer is under 1s

[jade abyss]

What?

[lone glade]

oh wait, that only apply to the RPT

[jade abyss]

what is "spam protection"?

[agile pumice]

it could be

[lone glade]

you can log a limited amount of messages per second, otherwise they won't get logged

[jade abyss]

hm, never heard of it

+systemchat/hint isn't blocked anyway^^

I used them so often for debuging in perFrameEH

[agile pumice]

okay so, only one loop running at a time

[lone glade]

what's the issue? sound keep playing?

[agile pumice]

got my exit 2 hint and it still keeps on truckin along

[jade abyss]

exit 2 as systemchat appears only one time? +how do you know it's still running?

[agile pumice]

yes

[lone glade]

ooooh I know why

it queues the sounds

[jade abyss]

Yeah

[agile pumice]

because the sound keeps playinmg

do I need say3d?

[jade abyss]

What Alganthe wrote

[lone glade]

nope, say3D has the same issue

make your sleep the same length as the audio clip

[agile pumice]

for anoter script, I attached a say3d to an object

[jade abyss]

erm... i am pretty sure there was a command that instantly played it (no queue)

[agile pumice]

and deleted it to kill the sound

I do

the sleeps are the same length

[jade abyss]

1. better do uisleep
2. Are you sure, it's the exact time? (even *1ms diff can make a diff 😄 )

[agile pumice]

0.291

thats an example of one of the sleep times

[lone glade]

say3D might work, I know directSay has the same issue

[agile pumice]

I narrowed that sleep down quite a bit XD

[lone glade]

wiki's back btw

[agile pumice]

thankfully

what's the real difference between UI sleep and regular sleep

I figured UI sleep was best done for UI stuff

[jade abyss]

sleep = can be delayed by low FPS

UIsleep = nope, i don't care. I wait for exactly 0.1ms, then doing it, no matter how much your PC is loaded

(simplified)

[agile pumice]

roger

[tame portal]

Do what most people do

Write sleep everyone out of habit

[jade abyss]

quit?

Oh, that

[tame portal]

And when everything is done replace across the whole project

10/10 clean solution

[jade abyss]

Yeah. idk why sleep should be used anyway

[tame portal]

To spice things up 🍆

[jade abyss]

🦋 - erfly

[tame portal]

🍍

[agile pumice]

no work 😦

[jade abyss]

add another systemchat "I am running"; after the exitWith{} part

[agile pumice]

too late, I'm making that damned helipad to attach the sound to

I want this sound utterly annihileated

[jade abyss]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tame portal]

Can your script even suspend?

Not that its throwing an error, skipping sleep and going wild with playSound3D

[jade abyss]

Good point

Do you start your game with ShowScriptErrors?

[lone glade]

@agile pumice try to use the say command instead

[agile pumice]

I will end up using say3d and rewriting my sound configs if this doesn't work, At that point I won't be needing assistance

[tame portal]

Did you know that if you do playSound, you can stop the sound again by deleting the object it creates for itself?

private _existingSound = ASLToAGL [0,0,0] nearestObject "#soundonvehicle";

Quite silly if you ask me that the command itself does not return this object

[agile pumice]

very silly

I'll give that a try instead

[tame portal]

Thats for playSound though 😛

[agile pumice]

i do believe I have showscripterrors

[jade abyss]

"do believe" != "know" 😄

[agile pumice]

well I get script errors at the top of my screen

but I havn't checked my shortcut params to verify

OPTIX, just playSound, not playSound 3d? I can't return a #soundonvehicle

nearestObjects [vehicle player, [], 10]; does not return one