im trying to make a weapons cache just for fun and this command [object] call BIS_fnc_replaceWithSimpleObject;
just make the weapons dissapear, any better solution? i dont wanna players to being able to pick it up
#arma3_scripting
astral tendon
rancid ruin
yeah six and armaholic both take the piss with mirroring content - 0 respect for authors tbh
still forum
Which is why stuff like Intercept-Python.
You won't need whitelist for textfiles in your pbo's. But can still harness most of the Performance
subtle ore
Disable sim Rogue
still forum
disableSimulation
tough girder
What does it take to get whitelisted by BE?
slim verge
the only "correct" system which doesnt really exist on a community wide basis is a
Select server>> Click = update all addons the server uses
...... anything else is a bodge job
tough girder
Do they have criterias of what your module should not do or is source code and a promise not to do anything bad is good enough
still forum
Request BE to whitelist your extension.. Or.. Just give it to a couple dozen people and let them try to load it everytime they start Arma over about a month.. Then BE will whitelist automatically
You send them your binary. And they whitelist it. That's it
I'd guess they test it.
subtle ore
Figures
astral tendon
already did, it still can select it
tough girder
Huh, I thought it would be harder
subtle ore
Spawn a vehicle over it
Definitely hard to pick it up then
Or even better
A building
Or
Infinitely delete it
still forum
A couple months back.. BE whitelisted my script Debugger. Which is basically a Hack. No one asked for it and they just whitelisted it
subtle ore
Pretty sure it's automatic Dedmen
simple solstice
has it been removed?
still forum
If they would've joined MP with that loaded BE would probably have detected the hacking stuff and would've banned innocent people.
Yes it is automatic.
Yes it has been removed after a few days after I contacted BE about it
simple solstice
but if people launch Arma with BE the dll will blocked and unable to use for a player
you have to disable BE for it to work
tough girder
And what if I use a loader and a separate dll containing my program logic, do I have to send both binaries?
tough girder
Gotcha, thanks for the info
simple solstice
so BE is always listening even if I turn it off :D
little eagle
READ
still forum
Well... I better won't get into what BE is listening to
austere granite
๐
little eagle
THE ... ?
austere granite
UELA?
little eagle
Thanks!
austere granite
๐
little eagle
I was about to give up on you guys
simple solstice
EULA?
waxen tide
@rancid ruin "these are all wishlist features though. as it stands SW is miles ahead of any other solution" no. Steam workshop lacks many critical features that existed with previous solutions.
little eagle
Sorta like discord vs. IRC.
austere granite
i think he's talking about that battleye knows your deepest darkest secrets
Just like discord, but they'll sell them too
little eagle
At least make the text not grey.
waxen tide
can someone smart explain to me why we don't just have a descriptive file in some weird ass implementation of an html/xml markup language (cause thats how BI rolls) that goes like <mod name> <mod description> <mod version> <mod download source(s)> <required dependencies> <optional dependencies (compats)> and package that with every mod. Server distributes that file to the client connecting, client launcher shows it to the client and offers automatic download from whatever sources the mod author specified. requires zero external infrastructure (except a place to host mods, which could be armaholic, steam workshop, private mod-author owned website) and would be low hassle for mod authors, server admins and players ?
queen cargo
Because that is not how arma works
simple solstice
many things could be simpler.
little eagle
Make it a mod!
waxen tide
a mod for mod management?
queen cargo
Problem with that idea would be: only scripts are possible to be transferred with inbuilt methods
slim verge
you can make your own repository using armasync, great tool, very user friendly and very easy once youve set it up, add to thyat a bit of batch coding and the entire system becomes automatic
waxen tide
i'm talking about BI adding this functionality to arma.
queen cargo
@still forum can one modify the config tree with intercept?
slim verge
BI wont do anything when the community does it for them
tough girder
There are a couple of issues of how arma forms it's internal fs and parses config
waxen tide
i mean having the server send a few bytes of XML to a client on connect can't be rocket science.
tough girder
and how that operation is done at startup
waxen tide
but the arma launcher does already?
waxen tide
the only problem is, it only offers to search the workshop for mods or select local files, no automatic "oh i'll fetch that for you from this random http server"
sure, but if what i described worked like workshop mods work (maybe a tad better) then it would solve all issues, no?
tough girder
I mean, some sort of package manager would definetly be nice
But that can be done within the launcher
astral tendon
well, i find a way to make a weapon a true prop
just remove all its healt and the take action gone, lol
waxen tide
you could even just add a flag in the description file that mod authors can set to allow direct download from the arma server. this way whoever hosts an arma server with mods helps out a bit with distributing the mod download traffic by playing mirror.
slim verge
if you want an automated system, like an auto addon downloader, you need to be aware of some of the issues this may cause
- Where will the files for download be hosted (Most likely you think on the arma server)
- Who will pay for the cost of 100 players downloading 20GB of data (Most likely you will expoect the server host to pay for this)
.... if you think these addons will be hosted on something like steam, how will you implement version control and stop players downloading for example the latest RHS which may break something
There are a lot of other issues to think about as well
Very few servers have their own dedicated box and even less a filehosting solution offsite, these things are costly, so for a lot of guys who run servers, this is simply not doable
tough girder
Look at npm
Either mod author provides hosting, the platform provides hosting or server owner provides hosting, version control can simply be added as a download filter
waxen tide
- no. some mod authors prefer to host themselves, some leave it to armaholic, and some use the workshop. some refuse the workshop due to steams policy, and i get that. so with just having a field in which you can enter any download source, you have maximum freedom. you can host the files anywhere you want, the only important thing is: the client gets the download info to download the files.
tough girder
e.g. you specify that server requires version "1.0" and client downloads 1.0
slim verge
so you want as guy who sweats over his mod to then pay for the hosting.... this would stop a lot of them doing it
waxen tide
- the same people that paid for it before. i'm not talking about changing the hosting, i'm talking about changing how to get the information to the client in an automatic fashion so zero user interaction is required
slim verge
it all costs money someone has to pay, nothing is free
waxen tide
Terox no offense but you're totally missinterpreting what i said.
People host mods today, don't they? People install them on servers, people install them on clients, and people play these mods. They ARE already hosted. They're just hard to access in some ways (armaholic...)
i'm talking about adding a few bytes of organisational description to automate things, not to change anything about hosting itself.
slim verge
i understand your point m8, i run an arma community i have my own dedi box colocated and i also run a file hosting server for our 20+GB addon pack and we host it via an armasync repo.... there are not many communities capable of doing this, most of them simply give you links to steam workshops or armaholics
waxen tide
yeah well i'm doing the same thing for years now but it is a horrible idea.
we shouldn't be doing it.
did you go around and ask every single mod author for permission to host his mods on your http/ftp to offer an armasync repo to players? i doubt it.
slim verge
so the issue isnt really "heres a link to grab the addon pack" ITS MORE TO DO WITH WHO IS GOING TO MANAGE , HOST AND PAY FOR THE BANDWIDTH FOR THAT ADDON PACK
oopsa sorry for caps
waxen tide
writes Terox a ticket for excessive caps usage
slim verge
lol
little eagle
asdfghj is right. This process should be automated and handled by the game.
little eagle
Eh?
slender halo
npm for arma is the thing
waxen tide
i see 4-5 solutions. 1) point to steam WS as download source 2) point to armaholic/six/whatever as download source if they feel like doing it 3) point to the website of a mod author if they feel like hosting it (RHS still hosts on http?) 4) allow mod authors to set a flag so arma server hosters can act as a mirror if they want to 5) organise a public arma repo where people can dime in with a buck a month on patreon or w/e for mods from authors who don't find anyone willing to host their stuff
waxen tide
the neat thing is: if you set up your infrastructure flexible, with a descriptive file, you don't hardcode your source. you can multi-source.
slim verge
the entire server management system should be inmcorporated into some form of tool created by BI, that would include server management, ,mission management and addon management, but that requires time and effort and money. this has to be paid for and time found to spends resources developing it, personally i would prefer BI to develop the game better and improve their netcode before adding nice things like that, so its not about a wish list its about practicality
little eagle
Too bad we're now stuck with subpar SW and since it sorta works, no one will improve it.
waxen tide
wait wait wait. Terox, before you drift off into stating lots of generic unspecific stuff, boil it down to me: What else would bohemia have to do then to implement a trivial function into the arma launcher&server to send a tiny XML file from the server to the client, an XML file defined by the mod author? How would that be a massive task for BI? I don't see it.
little eagle
Please everyone ignore the comment about "netcode". The weekend just started...
waxen tide
well granted, the launcher would need to be able to fetch files over html. and the steam workshop (but thats already implemented)
slim verge
the steam workshop is an arse, its not that friendly, its certainly very restrictive meaning you cannot create your own custom server repo based on others mods, which for us is a problem because we resign every addon with a date stamped key to help with version control, leaving us with only the option to host our own repo
rancid ruin
@waxen tide what critical features, and why aren't people using these old "solutions" if they're so critical??
slim verge
okay so what about "Where arte the files hosted" ?
waxen tide
@rancid ruin 1) steam workshop requires mod authors to hand over rights over their work to valve.
2) steam workshop version control is: force update to newest version regardless of anything with no option to block that
3) steam workshop, as implemented in the current arma launcher, fails to do dependencies correctly
- fails to handle compatibility mods in a sane fashion
- quite often simply loads the wrong mods despite the server clearly reporting what is required
(like adding some ace rhs gref compat mod despite the server not even running gref, but running ace, so it thinks HEY asdfghj why don't you load that mod that will lead to the server refusing you!)
tough girder
Steam WS could act as main hosting platform, while ALSO giving mod publisher the option of specifying his own\external hosting
slim verge
if all BI have to do is allow some way of linking to a file repo, then there needs to be files hosted somewhere by someone, who is going to pick up the bill for that ? that to me would be a major factor in designing such a system
tough girder
or we could skip integrating such thing into WS and just use launcher based solution, where package hosting can be set to either point to ws, external host, repository, whatever
waxen tide
Terox, you are aware people played on modded arma servers before steam workshop? Who picked up the hosting bill then?
rancid ruin
- overblown. valve isn't going to steal anybody's mod, they don't even make games these days.
- not a huge problem imo, think of the extra complications if they were to implement version control
- that's arma/BI's problem, not steam's
tough girder
But that brings us into a problem that if Steam WS doesn't improve, we're stuck with non-existant versioning on that host
rancid ruin
- is because steam want to cover their ass, nothing more, i think that's pretty clear
slim verge
right so lets say for example someone created a very nice custom island, what sort of size would that be, 2 to 8Gb perhaps, now times that by the number of folks worldwide that will download that, then add any pqatches to that addon that again required downloading, if you look at it from that perspective there is a lot of cost involved there
and thats just 1 addon
slender halo
global A3Sync
slim verge
and then add CUP to the equation
waxen tide
- leads to authors NOT uploading their mods to the workshop, leads to players/admins uploading them, leads to a massive bitching channel in this discord called ip_rights_violations which is a massive waste of everyone's time since it triggers human stupidity by lack of technical infrastructure.
- is a huge problem because there are incompatibilities between different versions and generally people should have fucking control over the software versions they run. steams implementation is bad.
- true, so it shouldn't be handled by BI but rather by people who care enough to implement it properly (mod authors)
still forum
@queen cargo Intercept is not a Hack... Well... Atleast not... Well... Uh... No. it can't.
slender halo
with some zsync implemention, bandwidth could be saved up
little eagle
You're a hack.
austere granite
inb4 dedmen gets banned
austere granite
I like our torrent launcher thing
waxen tide
@slim verge i think you are either trolling me or you have some sort of mind control chip in your brain.
still forum
Wouldn't it be nice if the Steam workshop API was kinda usable and open? That way we could just add what's missing
rancid ruin
well in summary i do agree that SW could be improved in some ways, but i still know it's the best solution for everybody. that's why everyone uses it rather than some half baked shitty thing like six or maintaining their own launchers and servers and version control and....
tough girder
@still forum is modifying config runtime considered hacking?
still forum
That is BI's approach anyway. Open it up and let the community do
Not really.. But you can only do it with a Hack soo....
still forum
Well.....
austere granite
Well... yes? ๐
little eagle
So to conclude. The only good thing about SW is the free hosting. The rest is garbage.
waxen tide
i think the BI approach is sitting on an office chair and being spun by an intern in a circle all day.
still forum
Either open it up or let the community open it forcefully
waxen tide
+1 @little eagle
tough girder
delta patching should be a given
slim verge
from the perspective of a server host and having run a community since 2003, and having hosted addons for all that time, here are my thoughts on it
- I want total control of the files that are offered to the clients who connect to our servers
- I want a 1 click sync, so thyat the clients cant screw it up
WHY?
Because i dont want nor havew the time to spend dealing with user support for complicated systems and having to keep some administerial list of links for folks to go and manage their own addons
After many years of trying various systems, the one i have now which is almost fully automated works for me very well.
I do not trust this with BIS, because I know they will not get it right even if they tried
waxen tide
ezz
decrypt them, delta patch, encrypt them
what do they use for encryption, XOR was it?
austere granite
ofcourse it can be done
rancid ruin
tbh I think hoping for a 100% plug and play solution for anything with arma is a pipe dream. this game is complicated as fuck, as is modding, and everything else that goes with it.
austere granite
but its not a given (unfortunately)
@slim verge https://github.com/overfl0/Bulletproof-Arma-Launcher ๐
waxen tide
i'm quite annoyed by people obfuscating the issue. @rancid ruin why do you think it would be complicated to download a bunch of files in a sane way?
little eagle
He's on Valve's pay list.
waxen tide
ah.
austere granite
rancid ruin
i am gaben yes
tough girder
@still forum hack as in trying to mess with the memory? or hack as in trying to re the config loading process
waxen tide
@rancid ruin I think you're acting morally irresponsable by being employed by valve. Once the great purge comes, i'll personally ensure your public whipping.
slim verge
the syncing and downloading of files isnt really the issue, its how you manage it thats the real issue
little eagle
These things have been solved 20 years ago.
waxen tide
@slim verge Well i explained in detail how i would solve it and i heared lots of general "ahh that will never work" but not even one remotely reasonable argument as to why.
austere granite
in our case you can create a modset by entering the mod names into a json file, that'll get used to make torrents with, upload and make it the required modset for a server
little eagle
Too bad this game is from 1997.
slim verge
if torrents were involved that should only be as a support mechanism to ease the traffic, it shouldnt be as a major solution
austere granite
well that's where you get into the bandwith issue that you mentioend before.
obviously that would be different for a BIS (Or valve)
but random modders? Meh
still forum
@tough girder mess
slim verge
but for a torrent to work requires clients to be connected and working as hosts feeding the data, this aint gonna happen reliably
austere granite
That's where seedboxes come into play
rancid ruin
i used to have all RHS torrents on my seedbox cos i'm a #good_guy
austere granite
Our main bandwidth comes from some very cheap ones
Which you can turn on and off quite easily if needed
waxen tide
Who should pay for mod download costs? The people who download and play the mods. How do you arrange that? 1) let steam handle it, people pay steam for the game. or 2) let server admins help out with mirroring and let server admins accept reasonable donations to finance server cost in a non-profit manner without discriminating non-donating players by offering donation perks. (bit messy, but thats how it works out in many big arma communities anyways). I don't think anything else would actually work?
slim verge
what we really need is a community wide accepted tool for addon management, six tried that but although sickboy is a very good coder, he lacked the insight of creating a user friendly UI, so it failed
austere granite
Anyway it's obviously not ideal, but its that there are options outside worksshop
there's Swifty
but that's also private repos i think
arma3sync (also private repos)
still forum
Man you guys are writing too fast.. Can't even make a pizza without you writing a dozen messages
austere granite
and then another torrent based launcher i think (Cant remember the name)
waxen tide
i think the tool does not only need to be community accepted, it should be shipped inside the arma launcher by BI.
slim verge
forget torrents, not really an ideal solution and useage of torrents is dying
rancid ruin
why not just burn your addons to CD and post them to each player?
austere granite
well BIS is doing the arma launcher
waxen tide
eats Dedmens pizza so he can read
still forum
wow
little eagle
๐
slim verge
@rancid ruin, you can have that job
waxen tide
I'm a nice guy, what can i say.
rancid ruin
i am already gaben i don't really need another job
i'm just trying to help cos you guys clearly don't like my workshop
waxen tide
@rancid ruin gaben get your shit together or i will rant about valve on the internet.
little eagle
oneoh is a contrarian.
slim verge
the arma launcher is also not very good for our community we still highly recommend desktop shortcuts for each server we run, the user support calls that reduces is tremendous
rancid ruin
commy is also a contrarian...
little eagle
Factually wrong. I don't disagree with people that agree with me already.
tough girder
damn
rancid ruin
agree with these nuts 8===D
still forum
Custom launcher is always the best you can get. Because it will have everything you need
little eagle
Penis.
rancid ruin
it's a good job nobody moderates #arma3_scripting really
slim verge
the best interface for such an addon management system woulkd be the server browser, all it really needs is a html page that the server host configs, and this details where to grab the addons and any other useful info like teamspeak address, thats simple, easy and gives total control to the server host
still forum
@rancid ruin you better be quiet
rancid ruin
actually someone got banned here for talking about hacks didn't they ๐
austere granite
That was dedmen
still forum
I linked a hotfix for a Teamspeak clientside RCE in #general_chat_arma that was why I was banned
little eagle
Dedmen should be banned imo.
still forum
The hotfix was hosted on a known hacker forum.
rancid ruin
nah i'm sure FM banned someone else for talking about hacks in here?
was it really dedmen?
waxen tide
@still forum custom launchers, eh? https://i.imgur.com/dAPaxnU.png
austere granite
@waxen tide pls download frontline launcher too, need more
rancid ruin
i recognised his name but i can't remember it now. think it was someone useful
still forum
Did someone say custom launcher? https://wolfcorps.de/#mods
waxen tide
I hereby demand the death penalty for the creation of custom game launchers.
still forum
I'm quite sure it was a troll
little eagle
This is the best channel.
waxen tide
scripting channel is the elite, no need for moderation.
still forum
Useful people usually don't get banned cough cough
grand berry
Need to find a reason to get Dedmen banned now just to prove him wrong.
waxen tide
i started this discussion in 3 other channels, and not only was i banned, people pooped on the hood of my car, too.
little eagle
Why do you sell TS hacks, Dedmen?
tough girder
Why do people use TS tho
slim verge
TS great tool
austere granite
I like TS
still forum
Was already banned Flax ^^
I don't.... Well... Uh... You can't call that a hack.. technically that is not categorized as a Hack
rancid ruin
ts > discord come on bro
tough girder
mumble > both
slim verge
TS easily
little eagle
pff
rancid ruin
mumble's alright but so is TS
grand berry
Mumble... urghh
austere granite
still forum
Someone turn the heater on
rancid ruin
i use TS cos i have a server hosting TS, it was an ez choice
tough girder
I just hate ts license
little eagle
mumbler
slim verge
you hate free licenses ?
grand berry
TS license is free?
tough girder
with slot limitation, yes
rancid ruin
if you hate any software license you need to get out more
austere granite
Non-profit for everyone
grand berry
NPL?
slim verge
I hate paying taxes way more than any software license other than wiondows server licenses
subtle ore
Non profits get a 500 slot
tough girder
Is npl reasonably hassle-free to acquire tho
little eagle
Not enough tbqh.
still forum
@tough girder I also hate it.. That's why I do stuff so I don't have to hate it anymore
rancid ruin
i think the standard TS server is 32 clients, that's alright tbh
subtle ore
Or even more at some times, depending on license agreements iirc
waxen tide
@slim verge buying licences for microsoft is unethical
still forum
NPL is friggin hard to get lately
grand berry
Takes about a week to get NPL
slim verge
i never mentioned money now did i ? ๐
still forum
compared to how easy it was before
grand berry
Yea true.
subtle ore
NPL requires web site, and proof of an active community
rancid ruin
fair enough surely
still forum
and NPL forbids any kind of donation button on that website
subtle ore
Meaning more than just a people saying "i belong here"
Yeah you can't make money off of it
still forum
which is why my group flew out. We had a donation link so that members can help pay for the servers
grand berry
Agreed - NPL is exactly for that. Non profit community. The per slot cost is not that bad.
still forum
yeah.. non-profit.. Taking donations doesn't mean you get profit
slim verge
^
rancid ruin
you didn't even think this through properly dedmen, i have no sympathy
grand berry
Yea keep the donate on the private part?
subtle ore
Onoeh, that's still violating the license agreements
rancid ruin
fuck the license agreement, this is the wild west
still forum
I don't need a NPL license anyway..
subtle ore
HA
slim verge
every time you get in a car and drive you break the license agreement but it doesnt stop u from driving
rancid ruin
do you read EULAs as well or something? come on bruh
subtle ore
๐ค ๐ซ pew pew
waxen tide
Yeah i'm sure Dedmen hacked the ts server to allow infinite connections the second he noticed there is an limitation.
little eagle
READ
still forum
I don't hack things
tough girder
Don't you also have to renew NPL
rancid ruin
alright just host mumble then, jesus christ
waxen tide
I redefined the meaning of the word "hack".
slim verge
no NPL doesnt need renewing
jaunty zephyr
- be gone for five minutes
- see โ new messages
- see it's about licencing
- click "mark as read"
- profit
little eagle
I don't hack things
That's exactly what a HACKER would say.
slender halo
^^
subtle ore
White hat hacker ๐ค
waxen tide
Dedmen used the swing of a butterfly wing to flip a bit in a specific part of his server's hard disk.
still forum
๐
slim verge
a hacker wouldnt say anything, you wouldnt know he was there, and if you did, he wouldnt be a hacker he'd be a kid trying to be one
still forum
I see you like some of the things I like too
waxen tide
please don't mention it, too mainstream to be cool anymore.
rancid ruin
a real hacker would talk in russian or chinese
still forum
ััะฒ ัะพั ัะปัะปั ััะพะบะณั?
tough girder
@rancid ruin I'm not trying to convert people to mumble, was geniunely interested in why teamspeak was chosen as voip client in the community
ะฐัะดะฐะดัะฐั
subtle ore
:ghost:
grand berry
ACRE and TFAR support. @tough girder
still forum
It was because the API is very easilly useable and Teamspeak was already wildly used among gamers. Which is why TFAR/ACRE use it.. and now there is no alternative
tough girder
Mmm, rather why ACRE and TFAR decided on TS API then
waxen tide
@tough girder i think it might be the combination of being there early and not sufficiently annoying people to make them switch is what leads to these things.
subtle ore
Damn Germans, they know it all. Mandarin, Russian.
still forum
besides ACRE Omnibus which kinda failed..
And TFAR's plan to rebuilding something similear which was pushed back
slender halo
it's like when porn choose Bluray over HD-DVD
little eagle
aka failed
slim verge
well before we had ACRE we used to use the channel commander fgeature and bear in mind OFP was 2002, there want really any other viable option then, so nearly every one went TS, some tried oh i forget the name, Battle****
rancid ruin
germans don't know everything, they haven't figured out how to invade russia yet
still forum
You can't fail something you didn't even start
waxen tide
i remember hosting TS2 servers when scriptkiddies were hacking them left and right and even escallating privs to root due to horrible bugs in it.
grand berry
You failed to start?
still forum
Oh yeah... ๐
subtle ore
@rancid ruin how much you wanna bet Dedmen rigged the election?
grand berry
๐
still forum
That oh yeah was to @waxen tide ๐
Hey I can't join channels. Can you please press CTRL+H for me?
waxen tide
good old times.
still forum
Oh thanks for giving me Admin rights
subtle ore
๐
tough girder
How did Omnibus fail?
austere granite
isn't mumble still an alternative?
i haven't used it in years, but it always looked okay
thats what BF2:PR does still
waxen tide
people who use mumble are .... weird.
austere granite
obviously the other option would be having good in-game comms
little eagle
mumbler
tough girder
Mumble doesn't have tfar\acre support which is a stopping point for a lot of people
subtle ore
Mumble is still alive as an voice api i am pretty sure. Not sure about the client
austere granite
i unfortunately do
subtle ore
Ventrillo is still active
tough girder
I don't, thankfully
waxen tide
such a horrible pile of garbage.
little eagle
Yeah. Vent sounded better than TS2, but I think TS3 killed it.
slim verge
mumble and ventrilo all had issues when it comes to runnin g good comms, TS has nearly always been a very reliable and decent quality comms package, thats why it became so popular, this is back in TS2 days when OFP was first released, i guess its old habits die hard
waxen tide
i think ventrillo was a troll project of someone going "how do i re-implement TS and make it worse in as many aspects as possible"
still forum
Omnibus essentially failed because lack of time and skilled people
subtle ore
Yeesh. So why are we all using nasty discord then?
waxen tide
or maybe i'm confusing this with raidcall.
little eagle
Yeesh. So why are we all using nasty discord then?
Good question.
slim verge
also vent and mumble requires a lot of user support so not a great choice from a server admin perspective... you want something that is easy and causes you minimal hassle
austere granite
Because it's easy
still forum
Because BI decided
tough girder
But is there still interest in continuing omnibus\tfar thing?
slim verge
anyone remember allseingeye
subtle ore
In any other discord i would vent that discord is for lamens and pubg players
But uhhh...
austere granite
Anyone use Mattermost?
waxen tide
I'm still offended by TS3 still. I mean have you installed it lately? Still sort of a clusterfuck with little regards to linux structures. "Eh throw this in your home folder and unzip it, there is a startscript somewhere. i think. and maybe don't run it as root, but whatever"
still forum
TFAR still has it on it's todo list. And I'm sure ACRE has too
rancid ruin
that program was the absolute shit back in the day
- pirate a game
- get allseeingeye
- lose childhood
subtle ore
@waxen tide user error mainly
waxen tide
nahh what i'm talking about is 100% failure of software packaging
but linux distros are very messy in that regard so i can relate
subtle ore
Mehh. Community developers ride the ass of templates
For TS3 that is
Look at how many reskins there are
Some of them only replace the main background
Some of them have a lot of work put into them, i have this plugin that automatically sorts the 3d audio.
tough girder
Reading more into Omnibus, that's a fully fledged voip client/server, damn
slim verge
the mass mover plugin is good, but would be nice if the dev added a "move all players in this channel family to......."
subtle ore
"There is a plugin for that"
waxen tide
TFAR has one gigantic flaw btw
subtle ore
It existed even before myTeamspeak
waxen tide
you can't mute idiots
slim verge
yes and it works too funnily enough
tough girder
You can on newest version, can't you?
waxen tide
-30DB
still forum
no TFAR unmutes everyone
subtle ore
I thought it was -50?
waxen tide
but you can still hear them mumbling on
the TFAR TS plugin should have an option to mute idiots.
simple solstice
I once had to mute a guy to about - 20dB to not get my ears blown. If not more
slim verge
if i were to mute idiots, then most channels would be silent
waxen tide
well, you missspelled community in your nick.
still forum
I can also guarantee you that feature will never be added
austere granite
๐ฅ
slim verge
i did well spotted, you need to get out more
subtle ore
Can't you silence everyone in a channel once it hits a certain db level?
waxen tide
get out more?
little eagle
You misspelled "misspelled"
slim verge
well if your checking spelling ๐
waxen tide
i did well spotted, you need to get out more
I would but its such a hassle with the thick snow suit and the rifle for the bears
@still forum would that feature be hard to add?
still forum
yes. very.
slim verge
why do you arm bears ? arent they tough enough ?
waxen tide
I think my sarcasm detector is broken.
still forum
That's more self-protection than sarcasm
slim verge
that would shock hunters wouldnt it a great bear with a minigun
waxen tide
@slim verge i demand that you fix your nick its ugly to look at.
little eagle
As opposed to unfree choice?
slim verge
yeah aint that a eastern block thing
waxen tide
maybe discord is like arma and doesn't care about extensions.
scenic shard
trying to fill a boat with passengers when it respawns. Wrote this but it seems like it is a bad approach or I made some misstake, my FPS goes down below 1.. =/ any idea?
_totalSeats = [typeOf _newBoat, true] call BIS_fnc_crewCount;
_crewSeats = [typeOf _newBoat, false] call BIS_fnc_crewCount;
_cargoSeats = _totalSeats - _crewSeats;
while {_cargoSeats > 0} do {
_man = "fow_s_us_rifleman" createVehicle getMarkerPos "tempSpawn";
_man moveInCargo _newBoat;
_cargoSeats = _cargoSeats -1;
};
};```Why are you using while where a for loop would be more appropriate?
scenic shard
forgot the syntax for the for loop in sqf so used while for my test only, performance should be the same anyways right?
waxen tide
foreach should be fine, no?
waxen tide
i think his while loop equals true always and just spams units immediately which leads to 1 fps btw.
still forum
which the while immediatly screams at me
waxen tide
hides his mindreading device
still forum
I don't know why it doesn't work.. code looks good
still forum
_newBoat... Is that code running right after you createVehicle?
you might have to wait for atleast 1 frame
scenic shard
_newBoat is the param passed from the respawnModules expression field
I rewrote it to a for-loop and it seems fixed, I guess that it for some reson never broke out of the while loop.
_totalSeats = [typeOf _newBoat, true] call BIS_fnc_crewCount;
_crewSeats = [typeOf _newBoat, false] call BIS_fnc_crewCount;
_cargoSeats = _totalSeats - _crewSeats;
for [{private _i = 0}, {_i < _cargoSeats}, {_i = _i + 1}] do {
_man = "fow_s_us_rifleman" createVehicle getMarkerPos "tempSpawn";
_man moveInCargo _newBoat;
};
};```thx!
little eagle
That version of for is hideous.
scenic shard
why not use private?
little eagle
I'll test if it makes sense here. I'm not used to this syntax.
still forum
Logically.. it makes _i private.
scenic shard
im not 100% sure tbh when it comes to sqf, just pulled that from the wiki as the "good example"
astral tendon
why ImageToPAA never works for me?
scenic shard
if there is some other better way I'd rather re-learn that
austere granite
i dont get that for
austere granite
for "_i" from 0 to (count _whatever -1) do { call hackerman; };
scenic shard
I kinda like it, reminds me of more familiar languages ๐
austere granite
perfect sense
{ call hackerman; nil } count _whatever; best
{ _x call hackerman; } forEach _cargoSeats is probably what you want
because easy
the count is slightly quicker because it doesnt keep index
scenic shard
nvm, the above code still wont work well. still get the same low FPS, I forgot to uncomment the actual spawning code -.-
I guess createVehicle is kinda expensive?
little eagle
@still forum
_i = -1;
for [{_i = 0}, {_i < 3}, {_i = _i + 1}] do {};
_i
3
_i = -1;
for [{private _i = 0}, {_i < 3}, {_i = _i + 1}] do {};
_i
-1
still forum
but inside the for loop?
austere granite
what about for "_i" ?
austere granite
figured. i only ever use that one and never noticed needing to private it
little eagle
The magic variables are all private. _x, _forEachIndex, _this.
still forum
_i is not a magic variable
you are setting it to private in that code block..
But the engine calls into the codeblock.. codeblock exits again.. variable is undefined
little eagle
Example?
still forum
no
little eagle
๐ค
still forum
No you cannot take them
little eagle
Are you talking with someone on my banlist?
still forum
Cookietoken
thin pine
Yeah that'd be pretty cool if they did that
Well you could always try the alternative method
little eagle
Now you're just teasing me.
thin pine
Haha :)
tulip cloud
took awhile to read through the conversation over the past 7 hours. So question....I looked at the Intercept-Python I had a few questions(Warning I'm not familiar with Python.):
1.Is Pythia the project that will make it possible?
2.What is the advantage of this method vs creating a custom dll?
3.What type of server features would most benefit from using python vs sqf?
4.Any other pros/cons to this?
still forum
Pythia is not Intercept-Python. Intercept-Python is called Intercept-Python.
Intercept's interaction with SQF scripts is far more direct than the normal Extensions.
Everything. No.. Literally.. Everything.
Pros. Performance, more standard code (programming language that is more wildly used) and thus easier to understand for non-sqf writers.
Plus you get every Python feature as a nice bonus
Using Intercept you are essentially right inside the Engine.
A normal Extension is a thingy next to the engine that needs to communicate through a very restrictive interface
tulip cloud
how does it compare to Intercept C++? same thing just in python?
still forum
python is a additional layer on top.
tulip cloud
I'm all for coding in something other than SQF ๐ I just want to make sure I switch to the Best platform available.
still forum
It is still very performant. But ofcause not as fast as C++ directly.
still forum
also not really useable yet. We will probably have the first experimental and very feature slim Intercept-Python version next weekend..
subtle ore
@austere granite Really......?
austere granite
/s
subtle ore
It wasn't a question of sarcasm, but a question of why you chose the gamecube. Doesn't even relate in the slightest
tulip cloud
I meant environment when I said platform
subtle ore
Different from console /\ pc platform
still forum
Intercept C++ also has the highest development priority. Because everything depends on it. If anything breaks the C++ one will get fixed first. But most likely that will automatically fix all other languages built ontop of it
queen cargo
@tulip cloud OOS allows you to use different language while maintaining that your code is compatible with vanilla arma
there is also other side-languages that generate usable SQF
which do not come with such an overhead as OOS
still forum
I didn't read anywhere that he asked about OOS
queen cargo
but change the syntax completly
I'm all for coding in something other than SQF :wink:
that other option is for example ASL which also has a nice syntax and compiles to native SQF code
tulip cloud
X39 that is a true statement but the context is pointed towards working in the most native language for Arma 3. Which appearantly is C++. I just have to learn how use it properly with the game engine. The limitations of SQF have been driving me up a wall.
queen cargo
which limitations gamewise?
there barely are any
extensions just provide access to new stuff eg. SQL which, indeed, is not in SQF itself available
still forum
Intercept is as native as you can get.
In SQF when you call a script command. It calls a C++ function in the backend. In Intercept you are on exactly that C++ level. You can even define your own SQF commands if you want a Intercept/SQF hybrid
Intercept-Python will someday support that to. Being able to call directly to python code from SQF.
tulip cloud
Could I potentially push code to a client?
Something like this:
https://github.com/ocornut/imgui
and initialize it?
still forum
No
That would wreck security
And with Battleye running you can't do anything like that clientside.
We plan to integrate imgui somehow into Intercept. But that's really complicated.
tulip cloud
basically, possible but would be considered "malicious".
still forum
If you have a clientside extension.. That explicitly exposes this functionality.. Then you could theoretically do that
Instead of adding the functionality to push what you want.. Just put it directly into the clientside plugin. Instead of sending it over.
tulip cloud
Personally, I refuse to touch the arma GUI tool it is so poorly designed. I'll have to learn more about the process with c++ injections and writing my own functions that could potentially be pasted from server to client-side. Trying to overcome the barrier of working in Vanilla without requiring the WS or 3rd-party mods.
still forum
I can only strongly advise against doing that. That is a huge security risk.
tulip cloud
Is there a discord channel or server that is focused towards intercept-c++?
still forum
There is Intercept Slack
You can't push C++ code from server to client. Without the client running a 3rd Party mod made by you.
You need a clientside plugin that exposes this huge security risk...
And if your users are using Battleye you need it battleye whitelisted. Battleye won't let something like that through.
vague hull
well yeah, you would need a client side "downloader" for it, but if you have that, its possible
then again, as dedmen said.. with battleye it would luck to get it whitelisted
still forum
Even if you get it whitelisted... Injecting code like that will get you a permanent Battleye ban for hacking
Or.. Whoever client you push that to
tulip cloud
Thanks for the link Dedmen, you'll probably see me asking a lot more questions over there.
@tough abyss I'm planning for a future project.
still working primarily in sqf. But, my goal is to move into an environment that will be more robust. It'll be interesting to see the potential using Intercept.
Quiksilver, we're primarily focused on vanilla based game modes. I believe the current mod system is terrible and restrictive for using in public environments. (Can't subscribe to a mode directly in game and load it after arma 3 has started.) Unfortunately, we'll probably be creating a mod to support the core game modes. We'll see...
still forum
you can quite easilly deliver scripts from server to clients
alot harder with Intercept. Actually impossible without clientside mod.
And Intercept won't change anything on that
muted parcel
Hey I have a quick question: I want to change the weapon sway with this code:
player setCustomAimCoef 0.34; player setUnitRecoilCoefficient 0.50;
Do I have to put it into the initPlayerLocal.sqf when I want to run the code in a multiplayer campaign?
still forum
yes
still forum
User error
tulip cloud
Maybe a better approach is to make all mods optional and the game mode can run vanilla but will use mod content if available
For instance, the game would have a vanilla interface but with a mod it would load the imgui interface instead.
^That is the problem
rancid ruin
what kind of UIs are you trying to create? arma 3's UI system is painful but it's not that bad once you get used to it
tulip cloud
Basically, you get everyone engaged without the content and then they can download the additional content for enhanced experience. (Almost like the watemark effect BI uses for DLC...but for mods.)
muted parcel
when I would put this into the onPlayerRespawn.sqf will the Aim get lower on every respawn?
rancid ruin
no because you're setting it to an absolute value @muted parcel
tulip cloud
oneoh, you can say that about almost anything. Even punch card programming
muted parcel
no to a coefficient
rancid ruin
yeah I ctrlCreate my GUIs in script, it's way easier than doing it all in a massive class file imo
and kinda more tightly integrated with your scripting
although technically probably a bit messier overall, but gets results faster
the visual GUI creator things are all shit imo
i tried x39's one for a bit, and i respect the work but it just isn't fun to use
and BI's one is dogshit
little eagle
Get ready for Arma 1 then.
jolly echo
Help !!
I'm new to this part, can anyone help me? BIS_fnc_AircraftCatapultLaunch http://prntscr.com/grd4w4
still forum
No.
jolly echo
still forum
You can stop posting meaningless screenshots now
little eagle
Screenshots? From code? Why???
still forum
You should maybe start telling us what's wrong or not working for you
jolly echo
to show what I've done
jolly echo
sorry
still forum
Right now. I can see that you placed a plane onto a carrier deck.
jolly echo
yes
still forum
And I have no Idea what you are trying to tell me with that
jolly echo
TeTeT Help me too.
frail zephyr
So.... .... whats the issue?
jolly echo
I do not understand how to use fuctions correctly BIS_fnc_AircraftCatapultLaunch
still forum
The file you have open in Notepad++ should have an example at the bottom
No wait
It is right there
3 lines above your cursor.
jolly echo
I created one the files with this script
jolly echo
fn_aircraftCatapultLaunch
still forum
Why?
jolly echo
Fuctions Arma 3
still forum
You don't answer my question.
Line 11 in that file tells you how to use the BIS function. No need to copy the file to anywhere.
jolly echo
ok
I can not understand how this script should be used
sorry
2 days trying to do something without success
jolly echo
@still forum I'm going to work for this one now. thank you
rose hatch
Dumb question: how can I test if a classname is a UAV?
Would something like this be a step in the right direction?
_classname = "B_UAV_02_dynamicLoadout_F";
if (_classname isKindOf "UAV") then {
//do stuff
}
isKindOf is meant for objects, and I have a string, so...?
little eagle
isKindOf checks for classnames.
jolly echo
๐ค Yes
little eagle
You can use the ingame config viewer to retrieve the common parent of object classes.
If there is one.
I'd just use this though:
unitIsUAV _vehicle
Or if you really need classnames:
getNumber (configFile >> "CfgVehicles" >> CLASSNAME >> "isUAV") == 1
So should I use the ship's class name?
little eagle
I wasn't talking about your thing.
rose hatch
I do need classnames because I'm taking a list and sorting it, sort of...
But I'll take door number 2, monte
thanks
halcyon crypt
still forum
@jolly echo I am etlling you you need to provide the plane as object as a parameter. And you are asking if you need the ships classname? That's like completly the opposite
halcyon crypt
ah right ๐
jolly echo
Sorry
little eagle
But still.
still forum
If only we had Threads... Slack > Discord
little eagle
Generally, anyone who feels addressed to.
halcyon crypt
no I did not see your unitIsUAV thingy, my bad ๐
little eagle
Threads are terrible though.
runic surge
is it possible to modify vanilla or mod UI dialogs by redefining them with the same classname in description.ext?
rose hatch
Yay learning :D
_classname = "B_UAV_02_dynamicLoadout_F";
switch (getNumber (configFile >> "CfgVehicles" >> _classname >> "isUAV")) do {
case 1: {player sideChat "yep";};
default {player sideChat "nah";};
};
so how can I test changes made to dialogs from a mod ingame?
aside from restarting the game every 10 minutes
rose hatch
Can't you put all the dialog code into the description.ext?
still forum
Yes.
But not modify existing
Get dev branch. with the diag executable you can reload the config with filePatching and via a script command
rose hatch
Interesting and even more interesting
runic surge
For dialogs what do shortcuts = {} ; and shortcutsAction = ""; do?
no documentation for those parameters
still forum
How lucky that I have time to check now..
shortcuts is array of numbers
Keycodes
do you set these shortcuts on the dialog or on a button for example?
still forum
confirmed. dikCodes
runic surge
figuring out what does what
still forum
Is the spelling of shortcutsAction correct?
runic surge
that's what it says
runic surge
most of them point to "CommandingMenu1" with various numbers. Not sure where these are defined though
still forum
yep. That info is useful. Just found that out myself
Ah ๐
logical thinking is sometimes easier than reading up on stuff
You know the AI commanding menu on the number keys right?
still forum
The combatMode menu. Specifies shotcut 2 which is number key 2.
and shortCutsAction CommandIngMenu1.
Pressing that shortcut switches to CommandingMenu1
Script command commandingMenu
rose hatch
can "any" be used for types in nearestObjects?
still forum
try it out
little eagle
any is no class
rose hatch
hmm
little eagle
luckily "All" is
rose hatch
woo!
little eagle
Or you just leave the array [] empty.
Same thing, probably faster to do for the game.
rose hatch
I figured leaving the array empty would always return 0 objects. Thanks again
still forum
For the future.. Stop figuring and just read wiki.
Passing an empty array to define the types will also return objects with no class at all (such as trees, bushes, stones, ...). Example:
_objects = nearestObjects [_position, [], _radius];
Passing the array ["All"] is not the same and will only return objects that have some sort of class.
sometimes the wiki seems to expect you to just figure things
still forum
Add it to the wiki if it's not detailed enough
rose hatch
Hmm... Again...
18:55:49 Error in expression <getConnectedUAV player in nearestObjects [this, [], 20]))>
18:55:49 Error position: <nearestObjects [this, [], 20]))>
18:55:49 Error 0 elements provided, 3 expected
Perhaps nearObjects would be better
Nope, nevermind. Going to do something else entirely
distant egret
@rose hatch this isn't a position...
rose hatch
Read it. Didn't help
little eagle
this undefined?
still forum
no
rose hatch
Am an idiot today...
OK, goal here is to display an addAction on the condition that the player's UAV is within 20m of the object the addaction is placed on
still forum
wiki says nearestObjects takes position. you give this. Wiki says this can never be a position.
rose hatch
Then I'll have to name the object with the addaction and use that name
still forum
a object will also not be a position
rose hatch
Right then...
still forum
getPos will give you a position in combination with a object
little eagle
position: Object or Array in format PositionAGL or Position2D - where to find objects, center position.
You can use objects here.
little eagle
:>
rose hatch
(getConnectedUAV player in nearestObjects [getPosATL this, [], 20])
Disclaimer: I'm trying that code now, haven't yet
still forum
ouh man...
rose hatch
Pls don't be mad
still forum
But.. I just man'ed
and I'm a Man.. I think
where is that code?
trigger activation?
rose hatch
Nope. In the condition field of an addAction
little eagle
don't use getPosATL for PosAGL.
rose hatch
k
still forum
"ATL" != "AGL"
little eagle
ATL != AGL
still forum
๐
little eagle
dammit
still forum
But object should work.. so why did this not work before.. this is object
still forum
addAction condition he just said
still forum
Wow.
Again READ WIKI. _this is the "caller/executing person"
You could have saved yourself from all of this by reading
Are you adding that action to the player? or a specific object?
rose hatch
still forum
yes. that's correct.
rose hatch
Therefore, I should be able to use this when getting the position of the object which the init belongs to
rose hatch
Then I don't see the problem there
still forum
again. how is this related to the addAction condition?
little eagle
That does not apply to the addAction condition and statement scopes.
rose hatch
I need to test whether the player's UAV is within 20m or so of the object which the addaction was added to
little eagle
You could pass it as argument though.
still forum
"addAction Condition" and "init line"
There is a very subtle difference between these. You can probably see it..
still forum
I just told you how to do it
you just have to read what I/we tell you
or read the Wiki. It also tells you what to do
read the description of the "condition" parameter
It is exactly what you are doing right now. So you should read what that thing is that you are handling.
rose hatch
"script code that must return true for the action to be shown. "
rose hatch
And I don't want the action to display if the uav isn't within 20m
still forum
Your code is almost correct
The answer is in the next sentence
you shouldn't stop reading after the first sentence..
little eagle
lol
still forum
Congratulations. You just learned a very important part of learning how to script in Arma.
rose hatch
I've read the addaction page several times when checking syntax, never noticed that
still forum
As info. Object init line refers to the init script. The script box you get in editor when you doubleclick an object
The addAction condition is not code inside the init line. It's code inside the Action.
Also when you are stuck on something for a long time. Take a pause. Or do something else and then come back later.
Your brain will be full of "No I checked that twice that can't be it"
rose hatch
As in, the this from the init isn't usable as the this in an addaction.
I'm a brute force kind of guy. It happens
little eagle
Scopes are the bane of SQF beginners.
rose hatch
truth
still forum
generally every variable is only there right here and right now.
The condition from the Action is not exected right here and right now.
It is executed later when the condition is checked. Whereever the player is at that point in time
little eagle
Curly brackets are glorified quote marks.
still forum
So if you go logically about it. A variable that you only have right here in that init box. Can't be there half an hour later on a piece of code somewhere else
same with spawn and addEventHandler and addAction and some others.
If the code doesn't get executed right now. Then your local variable will not be available in there
a lot of people get that wrong
tough abyss
In all scripts also @still forum There is the nice feature
of the _thisScript and _thisEventHandler
Magic variables that live inside the script
or EH
_local variables are always going to stay local unless you explicitly change their scope
from local to global @rose hatch
rose hatch
Thanks everyone, I learned a thing today
tough abyss
Good way to see if a script is finished using _thisScript
when executed from "scheduled origin"
@little eagle Silly question
How do I convert a multi-nested array into a flattened array?
Hm.
Guess I'll have to work this out.
@tame portal Not useless
Works well with SelectBestPlaces
Ha nvm
Found out how.
So this is what is inside getAllEnvSoundControllers.
["rain","night","wind","daytime","distance","meadows","trees","houses","forest","sea","coast","altitudeGround","altitudeSea","shooting","deadBody","fog"];
Exact same syntax for selectBestPlaces.
cloud thunder
@tough abyss Did ya finish ur IED script?
cloud thunder
[]apwn { _thisScript = {private "@tough abyss "; _share = false; waituntill {sleep 180000000000; _share};};};
cloud thunder
Hmm, getting lots of errors but looks like it working to some extent. How can you disarm them if you can't get close enough or is that not intended?
cloud thunder
Sometime there is a marker but no ieds
tough abyss
No no.
Markers IEDS are near them.
Not on them.
Because I used your 2M displacement
If I set it 0
They'd go right on the marker
cloud thunder
well markers for debug right? marker pos should probably be on ied? on mine maker is set on get pos of ied after random displacement.. but still walking around maker and no mine detector beep.
cloud thunder
probably selectbestplacessometimes is not returning your expected value or data type..
cool well thx for sharing.
astral tendon
this setObjectTextureGlobal [0, "images\briefing.paa"];
this does work on my side but a player that joins get a error
a not found and gives the path of my computer
any ideas?
tough abyss
@cloud thunder You can use SelectBestPlaces and yeah
inner swallow
@astral tendon they must have the .paa file too
inner swallow
try setObjectTexture + remoteExec with JIP flag set to true?
astral tendon
im sorry?
inner swallow
look those commands up on wiki, it'll make sense
cloud thunder
if its a static image then just wrap in in an isserver check..
inner swallow
something like
[_unit, [0, "\a3\characters_f\BLUFOR\Data\clothing_wdl_co.paa"]] remoteExec ["setObjectTexture", [0,-2] select isDedicated, true];```i put that on the object that the texture must load?
cloud thunder
its a breifing image or sign?
cloud thunder
billboard object init exampleif (isServer) then {this SetObjectTextureGlobal [0,"images\onions_logo.paa"];};
astral tendon
with that, any player that joins the server will see it?
inner swallow
(i don't trust setObjectTextureGlobal to work correctly, but you can try)
astral tendon
is there a way to i test my mission as a client instead of a server?
so i can see those erros?
robust hollow
run the mission using dedicated server
cloud thunder
^ youll need to set up a server.cfg. and run arma3server_x64.exe from bat file or maybe directly. then connect with you client.
astral tendon
!('Medikit' in (items player1))
question, is that executing global or local?
im afraind that this will not work in MP
player1 is the name of one of the characters
also, the "player" does not apply to every player in the server?
i image that is too broad
lets say, if i do a command like "Player setDamage 1"
and there is 2 players in the server
how does that will work? will do that damaga to all players or will not work at all?
because he not know "how is the player"?
tame portal
@astral tendon It always depends where the code is executed
Each client has its own environment
The server has also one, logically speaking the server thus returns null for player because he doesn't have a player
And on each client you always get the player depending on what physical computer the code was executed on
astral tendon
if i put that on a trigger for exemple, how does that work?
tame portal
The trigger always runs on all clients
So that when I run into the trigger, the on activation code is executed on my computer
Oh that message might have been a bit confusing :P
astral tendon
so, if is you and me playing and you hit the trigger you gonna die?
and activate "Player setDamage 1"
astral tendon
what if a IA hit that trigger?
tame portal
Hm okay let's explain it like this
Each trigger has a condition which it checks multiple times per second
Each client and the server do that on their own
So if the condition is "5 Ai units in that area" and 5 Ai units eventually run into that area, everyone will run the on activation code on their PC
Because all checked for that condition and it went to true, so the code got executed
However when you put in a condition like
player distance position < 50
It will only run the code on the client, which actually ran into that area
Because while everyone runs the same condition again and again
Player is always different on each machine
So when I do my check "Is player in 50 Meter radius of location x?"
Player will be myself
So I only do the check for myself, and.only when I run into that area, it's gonna execute the code on my machine
It will not run anywhere else because for example your friend B will also check the condition for the trigger occasionally
But player on his pc does not refer to the same physical object ingame like on my pc
So when I run into the trigger, my own check will say "Yes, player is inside the circle"
And on his pc (given he is standing outside of it) it will say "No, player is not inside the area"
astral tendon
so if a IA hit that trigger, nothing going to happen to us?
tame portal
It depends on the condition
astral tendon
this
cloud thunder
would save a lot of time and solve most riddles if you would set yourself up a dedicated enviroment to test on. Even after all these years I know about most the locality stuff, but It still helps to test run before you release your mission or set up something new for your friends to try out and it doesn't work..
it cost nothing
tame portal
3 people sit inside a room, everyone has a ball infront of them and each one calls their ball "myBall". If you ask each person, "what's myBall for you?", they are going to point at their own ball, but not someone else's. This is what player is for them.
Now you put one cube into the middle of the 3 men. You tell everyone "that cube there is theCube". Now if you ask anyone of them "what is theCube?" they will point at the same object. This is what for example an AI unit is like which you named "aiUnit1" in the editor.
astral tendon
well, i tried to set a server to test it but i failed really hard
tame portal
There are names that point to the same object, and there are names that have different meanings depending on who you ask
cloud thunder
I sugest to focus on that.
tame portal
Like he said, it's best to test stuff
Otherwise you won't get the questions answered you're asking yourself
astral tendon
i know, in MP my mission go sideways
just add another player into acount and the AI seens to freaks out
cloud thunder
@astral tendon
This is all you need to run a local dedicated testing server.
- A server config file
https://pastebin.com/gX6tXjmh - A file to launch the server wich specifies parameters a .bat file
https://pastebin.com/mzpy2FmV
Create Server.cfg in game root installation folder
Change template = "BMR_Insurgency_v1_47.Malden"; to reflect the name of your mission. Make sure the mission is in MPmissions folder of game root. Save the file
Create a somename.txt in game root.
Paste these launch parameters in the file. Edit the game install path if needed. This is a no mods example. Save the file.
Right click the file and change extension from .txt to .bat
Double click the somename.bat file to launch the server.
Find your local ip adress so you can direct connect to your server.
To find IP run cmd
Type command
ipconfig /all
It will probably some number like 192.168.0.xx
Open Arma launcher, unload all mods and start Arma.
Go to quick play, direct connect. Enter your ip and port 2302
You will see your server in the list. Join and learn you mistakes.
Login as admin using the admin password set in Server.cfg.
If you mission allows debug console which is set in description.exe then you can trouble shoot your mission further.
When your ready to test with other players you will need to login to you modem/route and allow port forwarding so that you server can be seen out side of your local network. I will not cover that here because its different for each router/modem.
vivid locust
Does anyone know a way in ArmA 2 to convert a String to an array? The only way I know is compile so like
_string = "[test]";
_array = compile _string;
But this is actually creating a code, after using this, the output would be:
{[test]}
I mean it's no string anymore but also no array.
robust hollow
call compile
vivid locust
I tested this aswell but then the array was just filled with any
So the output was [any]
robust hollow
because test is nil
vivid locust
Do you mean because it has no datatype?
robust hollow
test doesnt exist
so its nil, yea
define test before u compile it and itl show something other than any
vivid locust
Okay, I'll give that a try, thanks for the fast reply :)
vivid locust
Worked, thanks
still forum
@tough abyss Flattening arrays with what inside of them? numbers and strings? Just to string. remove all [] and then parseSimpleArray
simple solstice
Is switch more efficient than multiple IFs?
simple solstice
then I don't care
still forum
well it kinda is..
If you compare numbers for example.. you do _myVar == number.
But switch does that comparison in engine
simple solstice
im using >
still forum
instead of calling hte == operator inside script
then switch wouldn't work that well for you anyway
simple solstice
yeah
still forum
the elseif condition is evaluated before it knows if the first if is true
so that's kinda shit for perf
simple solstice
if (getDammage player == 0) then {
hint "no damage";
} elseif (getDammage player < 0.3) then {
hint "damage is less than 0.3";
} elseif (getDammage player < 1) then {
hint "player is not dead yet";
} else {
hint "player is dead";
};
im doing same thing
but
if (damage player > 0) then
{
if(damage player > 0.8) exitwith {
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health6.paa'/>";
};
if(damage player > 0.6) exitwith {
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health5.paa'/>";
};
if(damage player > 0.45) exitwith {
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health4.paa'/>";
};
if(damage player > 0.3) exitwith {
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health3.paa'/>";
};
if(damage player > 0.15) exitwith {
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health2.paa'/>";
};
if(damage player > 0) exitwith {
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health1.paa'>";
};
}
like that
is elseif better for that?
still forum
maybe.. not much
little eagle
The last if is not needed.
little eagle
It's not ๐
little eagle
Nope, still not needed.
simple solstice
๐ค
slender halo
_damages = damage player;
_message = switch (true) do {
case (_damages > 0.8): {"message"};
case (_damages > 0.6): {"message"};
something like that ?
compact
simple solstice
well if something is 0.9
little eagle
Post your code I post mine. And you tell me the difference.
slender halo
ho yeah, didn't realize that...
little eagle
if (damage player > 0) then {
if(damage player > 0.8) exitwith {
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health6.paa'/>";
};
if(damage player > 0.6) exitwith {
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health5.paa'/>";
};
if(damage player > 0.45) exitwith {
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health4.paa'/>";
};
if(damage player > 0.3) exitwith {
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health3.paa'/>";
};
if(damage player > 0.15) exitwith {
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health2.paa'/>";
};
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health1.paa'>";
} else {
_message = "";
};
thats better
little eagle
Or, what I'd do:
private _message = "";
if (damage player > 0) then {
if(damage player > 0.8) exitwith {
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health6.paa'/>";
};
if(damage player > 0.6) exitwith {
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health5.paa'/>";
};
if(damage player > 0.45) exitwith {
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health4.paa'/>";
};
if(damage player > 0.3) exitwith {
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health3.paa'/>";
};
if(damage player > 0.15) exitwith {
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health2.paa'/>";
};
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health1.paa'>";
};
even better!
thanks!
will this work if I have an another one above that for stamina?
same construct
and the private var is still _message
little eagle
Uhm.
simple solstice
private _message = "";
if(getFatigue > 0) then {
//same ifs as for damage
};
_stamina ctrlSetStructuredText parseText _message;
_stamina ctrlCommit 0;
_message = "";
if (damage player > 0) then {
if(damage player > 0.8) exitwith {
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health6.paa'/>";
};
if(damage player > 0.6) exitwith {
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health5.paa'/>";
};
if(damage player > 0.45) exitwith {
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health4.paa'/>";
};
if(damage player > 0.3) exitwith {
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health3.paa'/>";
};
if(damage player > 0.15) exitwith {
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health2.paa'/>";
};
_message = "<img size='2.5' image='health1.paa'>";
};
_health ctrlSetStructuredText parseText _message;
_health ctrlCommit 0;
ok, thanks ๐
slender halo
why not RscPicture ? it deals with UI scale
slender halo
if you only have image in your control and no event handler i would recomand RscPicture, ran into UI scale issues yesterday with RscStructuredText
_pictureCtrl ctrlSetText "x\my_mod\addons\data\icon_ca.paa"
Because I' bored:
private _message = "";
private _damage = damage player;
if (_damage > 0) then {
private _textures = [-1, 0.15, 0.3, 0.45, 0.6, 0.8, _damage];
_textures sort true;
_message = format ["<img size='2.5' image='health%1.paa'/>", _textures find _damage];
};
@little eagle won't work. Damage 0.4? What image will that display?
little eagle
3
little eagle
You can't argue with this code and it's probably as quick as you can get with SQF.
simple solstice
class health
{
type=3;
fadein=1;
fadeout=1;
idc=444440;
style=ST_LEFT;
x = 0.967 * safezoneW + safezoneX;
y = 0.35 * safezoneH + safezoneY;
w = 0.75;
h = 0.5;
sizeEx=0.035;
size=0.035;
font="PuristaLight";
colorBackground[]={0,0,0,0};
colorText[] = { 1 , 1 , 1 , 1 };
shadow=false;
text="";
};
@slender halo how would I go about having it as RscPicture?