Oh, okay!
#arma3_scripting
shadow sapphire
little eagle
That's a misson, right?
little eagle
You'd need to edit the mission I guess.
obsidian chasm
Yeah I'm totally winging this 😄
obsidian chasm
I mean I have lots of stuff in my own version already. New checkpoints, new enemy spawn locations, new escapes and new spawns
obsidian chasm
We can spawn from the air now via halo jumping 😃
little eagle
"Virtual Arsenal" or something like that.
obsidian chasm
Yeah I tried doing that but it didnt save for the bandit groups
little eagle
Maybe there is a script that equips them.
You'd need to edit that script.
Idk that mission.
obsidian chasm
I had to add virtual arsenal for my own group and a line so we don't lose our gear upon death
obsidian chasm
Yeah, I'm just trialing and erroring right now, honestly
It surely can't be 'too' advanced to change an AIs loadout, right?
obsidian chasm
Yeah. I mean I'm backing up everything so I am happy to get this wrong
I think thats what its all about anyway
plus I'm having fun doing this for my group lol
Ah, so these are much different files now
.p3d's
feel like im doing something wrong now, huh
tough abyss
p3ds most likely arent in the mission
obsidian chasm
yeah I was thinking this
I figured the file I'd be opening would have the names of weapons/equipment
little eagle
Well, you can have .p3d in a mission now with simple objects.
They're the models for this game.
So no loadouts to find in those files.
mortal halo
@indigo snow Sure the basics are pretty simple if you can also always fire it yourself. E.g. you control the scripts that change the inventory Just maintain a list with all the functions that need to be called and a function that calls all of them
Seems nice, the thing is im not messing with actual objects but rather containers inside objects (say i have a backpack inside a crate)
so its a little harder than that, because it's an item nested inside another item
but i'll try! thanks for the suggestions
peak plover
You can also run a pfh or a loop that checks if the inventory contains the same things as it did the previous frame,
indigo snow
Are you editing the content or is something external editing it?
If its always controlled by you, you can run the event calls
obsidian chasm
Well I changed the Viper Stalkers to what I want! sweet
I find it strange that the Guerilla guys have a much different set up to the Vipers
peak plover
missionNamespace and profileNamespace already excist durin the preInit?
little eagle
They all always exist, but missionNamespace gets cleared right before preInit.
obsidian chasm
I sure wish my Viper Stalkers wouldn't disappear when i remove a piece of ammo 😄
peak plover
private _var = nil; Sets it as private?
jade abyss
If there is a shitload of em private["_Var1","_Var2","_etc"]; (old habbit)
still forum
Yeah. After some amount private ARRAY will be faster again. I guess. If you only want to initialize them to nil. Which you very rarely want
little eagle
What have I done?!
mortal halo
@indigo snow im making those changes by myself - thing thing is, it's two different systems. but yeah i'll improvise some kind of system (probably setVariable a function on the object and then call a function that executes the getVariable function)
i've put that thing off the priority for now because those two systems are not complete
indigo snow
Fair enough, but in the end its all pretty simple to manage
mortal halo
i have another question tho.. would anyone happen to know the formula for mass of a backpack / vest with items in it?
i'll explain it better.
i have a backpack with maximumLoad of 160 and mass of 20.
i have 4 uniforms inside the backpack with mass of 40 (they fill the load to full 40*4 = 160)
now, for some reason - putting 3 of these backpacks (mass of 20 + 160 full load) inside a vehicle with maximumLoad of 1000
now ideally, I thought the mass of that backpack would be mass + maximumLoad which is 180
but 3 full backpacks fill the load of a 1000 maximumLoad container
makes no sense.
indigo snow
There is no real formula, theyre imaginary points
mortal halo
what does it mean
indigo snow
Load doesnt have a dimension
Its just a number
It doesnt closely correspond to anything in the real world
They are made up as you go along
Et cetera
mortal halo
i know
but the maximum loads are configured in the config
and the mass do too.
and they match their description
peak plover
Can parameters only be numerical values? can I not have false/true ?
mortal halo
i've tested it. i've put 4 combat fatigues (have a mass of 40) into a backpack with 160 maximum and it actually fills the load completely (checked with loadAbs)
wait no
checked with loadBackpack
the thing is when I put that thing in a container there is no loadBackpack or anything because it's not a unit
little eagle
I think you will have to add them up yourself.
mortal halo
okay that makes no sense
when i have the 180 (full backpack) on the player with nothing else, loadAbs outputs 180 - which is expected
but when 3 backpacks put into a 1000 maximumLoad ammobox
it's full
what the hell
still forum
@peak plover 1 is true and 0 is false.
mortal halo
since 3 full backpacks that weigh 180 fill a 1000 maximumLoad container
the container treats them as 333
333/180 is 1.85
it's just a magic number off the top of my head
little eagle
What.
mortal halo
I took a full backpack the has the mass of 180
i put 3 of these inside an ammobox with maximumLoad of 1000
and those 3 backpacks filled all the space
little eagle
Maybe the backpacks have cargo too
mortal halo
yeah
the backpack itself has the mass of 20
with maximumLoad of 160
and it's full
so
180
also, it's confirmed by running a loadAbs on a player with nothing but that backpack
returns 180
little eagle
I wouldn't be surprised if it's all bugged up. When you load a rocket launcher with a rocket, the ammos mass is counted twice for your soldier.
still forum
Might be that it counts the mass of the full backpack + the mass of the contents. Instead of emtpy backpack + content
indigo snow
Seems thats whats happening here, 20+2*160
still forum
so every backpack weighs 180+160
mortal halo
yeah that adds up to 340 but the maximumLoad of that container is 100
there's a little bit of a remainder
tough abyss
Empty the backpack into the container then add an empty backpack
See what it comes up as.
mortal halo
yeah hold up
indigo snow
/shrug told you its all magic numbers
mortal halo
damn it is there anyway to actually search the config viewer
indigo snow
If you get a config dump
little eagle
you can type the classname
mortal halo
where
little eagle
just type
still forum
mortal halo
damn thanks
yeah the typing thing in config viewer doesnt actually work
you type but as soon as you stop typing it searches
dont have the time to type an underscore
mortal halo
yeah
if BIS has like 3 commands that are applied to units, also applied to containers
i'd be saving myself 5 hours per function for my inventory system
and by the way commy, i did manage to do a function that adds weapons with items to a container
it just takes 1 second per weapon to get dropped..
also using a dummy unit - which is bad for MP
so yeah..
you were right
mortal halo
how so
little eagle
The AI will try to turn and the drop action will break.
It's not reliable, no matter what you think you achieved.
mortal halo
yeah
this function was really easy to make.. too easy. just dropweapon and sleep
or waitUntil anim is over, i can't remember
anyway I dropped the weapons thing but still into the inventory system
is there any chance bis will add those commands?
mortal halo
maybe talking to someone specifically will help? or is there any way to contact a dev and ask about certain aspects of modules? (like the god damn mass)
or is it all bounded to making a ticket and waiting for a week to get an answer
still forum
Bug KK about it. Maybe something happens
peak plover
That's your best bet tbh
still forum
you can make a ticket and wait for 2 years for any reaction. Not just "a week"
still forum
Best way to request it is the scripting discussion thread on BI Forums that explicitly says that is not the right place for feature requests
still forum
A smart Modder can't create Script commands.. Well... Most smart Modders atleast.
kk was a Modder and is now a "dev"
mortal halo
oh nice
is there anyway to contact him? i've noticed most of the devs dont have any discord account
peak plover
kk was a Smart and is now a "dev"
mortal halo
or atleast not here
still forum
Yeah.. For example as he allowed everyone to have debug console on every server with his "security update"
mortal halo
hahaha ok
still forum
Does that script feature request thread still exist?
little eagle
🍿
mortal halo
damn man, if we could extend the engine with the c++ code
i bet this game would be flying, not that it isn't flying right now
still forum
Well. Intercept :u
mortal halo
what
little eagle
I asked Dedmen to add custom "commands" like that via intercept, but he's too lazy to even release TFAR 1.0, so...
little eagle
Like a year ago.
mortal halo
this library has access to the actual source code?
still forum
No
still forum
It's a Hack basically. Not a Cheat-Hack. It's just a Hack.
little eagle
You're a hack.
still forum
beep boop
mortal halo
does it have access to data SQF doesnt?
still forum
Very limited yes.
It could have access to much more stuff. But we don't want to do that because that stuff could break with every Arma update
And we don't want Intercept to break
little eagle
And that was your answer back then too.
mortal halo
very limited as? can i, for example.. add weapons with attachments to containers with it?
still forum
I could make InterceptX that has these features but breaks every Arma update and is not Battleye compatible.
But I doubt anyone would ever use that
mortal halo
or can I make it do it?
still forum
Intercept can get raw position data from Objects and list all files in all loaded PBO's. The rest is just stuff that SQF also can
peak plover
Depends
still forum
If you have a couple years of experience Hacking games and Programming C++ then you probably can.
TLDR no.
peak plover
I guess it's more a function improvement / to command thread, close enough
mortal halo
but the question is
how
and is there any requirements to make it work?
say i want to distribute an intercept extension with a mod
if that is even allowed license-wisely..
still forum
Your Intercept Plugins are your copyright.
Requirement is that users also need to have the core Intercept Mod loaded
peak plover
If you need to calculate a lot of things in your mod, then you can calculate in C and then send results and grab data from sqf. I don't see any "REAL" benefits for normal users
mortal halo
damn
the thing is intercept is bounded to sqf
it doesn't extend the engine, it replaces the SQF calls with C++ class if I am correct
😦
do you think nagging KK for example would work
mortal halo
best scenario?
little eagle
Tell him commy sent you.
still forum
How do you add Attachments to a weapon? AddItem?
tough abyss
If I could add reactions to posts...
still forum
Oh gosh
mortal halo
addWeaponItem is basically the only way
all other commands are specific to slots of the unit
while addWeaponItem finds automatically
the functionality is the same
AND IT FUCKING SUCKS
the input container is only a unit
little eagle
addWeaponItem doesn't find it automatically. It finds it by classname.
mortal halo
oh
right
same
damn I've been coding for arma atleast three or four years
in the last couple of weeks I've actually encountered the limits of this language for the first time
by limits I mean not-workaround-possible limits
still forum
Okey. Theoretically possible to be added from Intercept. But a lot of work.
Work that I won't do most likely
still forum
Everything
mortal halo
there must be a part
still forum
No. Everything. It is a little easier to copy a existing weapon though
so basically dropWeapon but you can give it the target Inventory and you don't have to wait for animations or anything
still forum
can you give me the line of code that calls dropWeapon? I guess you are using action?
mortal halo
the whole point is copy
where? in my script?
and yeah, I use action. (is there any other way?)
still forum
no other way. Just need that line of code so I can see how the game does that normally
mortal halo
private ["_dummy", "_weapon"];
_dummy = call fn_createEmptyUnit;
{
private ["_weapon"];
_weapon = (_x select 0);
_dummy addWeapon _weapon;
{
if(_forEachIndex > 0 && !(_x isEqualTo "") && !(_x isEqualTo [])) then {
_dummy addWeaponItem [_weapon, _x];
};
}foreach _x;
_dummy action [ "DropWeapon", _container, _weapon ];
}foreach _weapons;
//deleteVehicle _dummy;
};```normally _dummy action [ "DropWeapon", _container, _weapon ];
take note _dummy is a unit, _container is an object, _weapon is classname string
still forum
No need to tell me that 😉
mortal halo
it takes the real weapon tho, with all attachments (even if not configured as linkeditems in config)
ok
ok
little eagle
why is there two private "_weapon"?
mortal halo
good question hold up
oversight
thank you haha
deleted the one inside the loop, redundant
still forum
Okey I just have to create the action without playing the animation...
still forum
Yes. Exactly. How do I create a custom Action in Intercept
little eagle
I even tried making a dummy AI class without animations before, but it must've failed.
mortal halo
intercept actually has the actions configured?
little eagle
No.
mortal halo
doesnt it just send the action string to the engine? (for what I understood about intercept)
still forum
I'm talking about adding a custom system for that to Intercept
mortal halo
wow that sounds very complicated
is there a chance
earlier versions of arma 3 had the inventory made using sqf scripts?
or was it engine handled all way from the beginning?
because I've seen an init script for the inventory with some comments referencing some actions has // ToDo: Handle by engine
and only a simple control text setting was used
still forum
It takes so long because the Unit switches to secondary weapon right?
mortal halo
no no
it takes so long because it does a "put" animation
if the gun is on the units' back
it doesnt even switch
just a put anim
still forum
Ok. Then I need to find out where it does that animation and disable that
subtle ore
@mortal halo player switchMove ""; zero transition...?
mortal halo
the action actually waits for the animation
say i spawn my unit on water and it swims
it cannot drop the weapon
because the action cant be played
subtle ore
Maybe you need to recreate your put action, create a weapon holder in front of the player and sorts.
mortal halo
what do you mean tho
subtle ore
Killing...?
still forum
switchMove "" stops any running animation -> Killing it
subtle ore
aye
still forum
Do you know the name of that Put Animation?
mortal halo
could surely find out
dude i love it how in the forums when someone asked how to do that
a BIS dev replied
to simply add a class of the weapon with attachments
for the devs, it's "simply" adding a class
hahaha
still forum
Well. It is simple
subtle ore
I think it's a change of perspective
mortal halo
exactly
subtle ore
But, that's no reason to shame them for that. They play client variants to test shit or even just to play sometimes 🤷
Mods are no exclusion to that
mortal halo
ok
dedmen
im gonna upload a screenshot of systemchat with outputted actions
i mean anims
there are all kinds of transitional anims here
little eagle
You guys are doing what I tried years ago. GL
still forum
But you didn't have Intercept and my knowledge :u
little eagle
I had my knowledge.
mortal halo
these are the actions
they are transitions for standing positions
lets assume the character is standing
rancid ruin
what are you trying to do exactly?
mortal halo
dedmen is trying to implement a dropweapon command with no animation
that is possibly going to perform instantly
using intercept
still forum
Thanks found where it plays the anim. Now onto finding out how to disable that
rancid ruin
peek
still forum
Every unit has the list of Animations in his config. You can just set his putDown action to "" and he won't play any
mortal halo
wow
would it really work tho
because the actual weapon is being moved in the engine
maybe it waits a hardcoded set of time?
still forum
true
mortal halo
if you're right, this shall require no intercept
still forum
maybe
little eagle
🍿
subtle ore
Yuval, you're paying for my advil prescriptions the next few months. Too many headache inducers.
little eagle
call me when it works
mortal halo
haha
wait
if you can save us the trouble
midnight, i've made a really complicated function that copies a backpack with items from a container and puts it in another - it wasn't possible before and there are no bad practice workarounds. just a messy idea and alot of arrays! so im sure it's possible SOMEHOW
you remember that!
rancid ruin
just temporarily speed up the unit's animation speed so much that it looks like there is no animation. done. next
subtle ore
Oh I remember. Very clearly, and well. It worked through immense trial and error
rancid ruin
you guys here reverse engineering, making intercept and shit. so much effort
mortal halo
rome wasn't built in a day. but it was
sure, their piza tower had bugs
but it works!
subtle ore
Pizza buildings 😏 BUGS
rancid ruin
pisa
mortal halo
oh
subtle ore
Pisa?
mortal halo
yeah
subtle ore
Oh yeah
still forum
Changing Anim speed might also be a very good solution
rancid ruin
it has a tower which leans, in case you were wondering
see dedmen, you gotta think more simply
subtle ore
Pisa - Capital city ?
rancid ruin
take the path of least resistance
mortal halo
dedmen, I think it can be done in sqf doesnt it?
still forum
Think so yeah
mortal halo
hold on lets see
little eagle
🍿
rancid ruin
setUnitAnimCoef or something
still forum
Okey I found it. It plays the animation and at it's end it executes the real action.
So If I just execute it right away..
rancid ruin
think it maxes out at 20x or something though
little eagle
rancid ruin
Increasing animation speed of a unit also increases its run/walk speed (thanks to Killzone Kid)
not sure if genuine thank or sarcasm
still forum
Okey I solved my part. I now know what I need to do to make this work.
Still it would be a few days of work. So if there is an easier solution.. use that
mortal halo
well it doesn't work anim speed wisely
i feel like everytime we suggest something
and commy2 replies with a popcorn thing
he knows we'll fail and waits to see it
little eagle
It's almost as if someone tried all this years ago.
mortal halo
hahahahaha
rancid ruin
he types slow
little eagle
Dedmen is a conman.
little eagle
Next step I totally never tried myself: create dummy soldier class with modified animation config.
still forum
Oh god. no..
I need to do alot of stuff manually. Well.
I need to find one function signature. One Virtual function offset and one class entry offset. and then ducttape all of that together
rancid ruin
what's the end goal with this? why is animation-less drop needed?
mortal halo
because it has a delay
still forum
Would be about a day of full work. But I don't feel like working that much currently
little eagle
And it breaks when the AI fears collisions.
rancid ruin
why can't you just remove the item from the unit's inventory, then create a weaponholder at his feet and add it? that would have exactly the same effect
still forum
You can't add Weapons with attachments to containers
mortal halo
it has attachments
mortal halo
yeah...
little eagle
Try adding a MX SW without bipod to a ground weapon holder @rancid ruin
still forum
I put the solution to that into my notes. Maybe I'll get to it someday
rancid ruin
it'd probably take BIS 1% of the time you guys have spent on this, to just fix it internally
mortal halo
or rather a command that only uses the final execution
still forum
yes
still forum
Normal Action command runs animation and when the animation is done then it executes the action.
Mine would basically just be a copy of the action command that executes immediatly without animation
mortal halo
so it will take us 200% of the time making them do it
i see
do you think, it will have some kind of sequence
if i were to run that action
three times
still forum
Don't think so
mortal halo
in a row, would that work?
oh
damn
dude there has to be a way to make bohemia fill those gaps
i wonder what do the programmers actually do in a workday
i mean there's no way these kinds of issues can't go into their priorities
little eagle
Work on DayZ Standalone.
mortal halo
that's actually a funny joke
peak plover
Can't you just add a variable to the weapon or container with whatever attachment and have a function that runs everytime something is taken/added?
peak plover
What do you mean?
Don't use action at all. Just a script that removes weapon and adds weapon
mortal halo
that is actually a good idea, and out of the box thinking - sticking it to the container
little eagle
Compatibility.
mortal halo
but it breaks compatibility
in my case, im actually redoing the whole inventory system
so that COULD work
peak plover
With vanilla inventory?
mortal halo
yeah
peak plover
You can have extra functions for that as well
little eagle
And all the mods out there.
peak plover
that do the same
mortal halo
yeah
peak plover
You just won't be able to take attachments from the weapon if it's in a container
mortal halo
you would. hahah
with the variable you set
you could change that
i've made custom scripts that remove certain backpacks with items
peak plover
It seems like a worthy sacrifice. How would it conflict with mods?
mortal halo
depends on the mods
if it's just weapon addons
nothing
if it's anything related to inventory
it would
or actually
maybe not
to make your idea work
you have to be in control of all changes to containers' inventory
if a mod relies on a containers' inventory data - it would deem incompatible with such mod
peak plover
(move gun to container) > save all gun info > (remake only gun in container) > grab gun from container > ("ohh it's this gun, take these attachment function" > get gun with all the attachments back
mortal halo
yeah
what you're saying makes sense.
taking it a level forward
it would be better to actually just make all inventories virtual
in an essence, disable the inventory actions and save all inventory data to a variable on objects
peak plover
Yes, well you don't have to, but I assume you will remove vanilla inventory completly
That would be nice, yeah
But how would the guns appear like if you wanted to drop them on the ground?
mortal halo
that would be easy
peak plover
True
peak plover
"ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE"
peak plover
You just need enough drugs
peak plover
caffine is a drug
mortal halo
the only thing that demotivates me from actually trying
is knowing that if BIS ever adds the commands we need
this all becomes obsolete
peak plover
I got a liter of coffee too, time to work on my seed and profileNamespace for JiP
subtle ore
Nigel, please don't tell me you're one of those Mormons that are going to tell me that I'm a sinful piece of shit because I like a cup of coffee in the morning?
subtle ore
GASP #offtopic_politics
mortal halo
has anyone ever done such thing
virtual inventories
i mean
yeah
virtual arsenal
hahaha
but except that
or actually...
virtual arsenal
one moment.
subtle ore
Virtual Inventories - Not really limitless like the VA, but it's not physical either
subtle ore
NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE.
mortal halo
DONT LET YOUR DEAMS BE DREAMS
rancid ruin
what about faster than light travel?
mortal halo
you can travel faster than light
rancid ruin
show me
mortal halo
it's possible
you can't pass the speed of light
but if you start with an initial velocity faster than that speed
see
it's scientifically proven
there was an experiment a few years ago i think
subtle ore
Yeah they have, but with limited results
little eagle
it's scientifically proven
No it's not.
subtle ore
setVelocity in a3 works similarly if cranked to high values
mortal halo
yeah, but that's because floating point precision
i think
anyway, im gonna give a try for a virtual workaround like @peak plover suggested
i dunno im too lazy
peak plover
Yeah, whatever works is good 😄
Some vanillia stuff is pretty bad, I still can't get over scroll wheel menu :S
Especially when you go near something and it pops up on the middle of your screen
Is there a way to disable that or move the UI icons for the "rearm" etc. icons that are in the middle
subtle ore
I'm sure there is
peak plover
The game options don't seem to work for that
peak plover
This would have to be some weird magic 'tho and have an alternative that it uses
- Hide the action 2. Add the action in an alternate system like ace_selfactions 3. Do this automatically :S
mortal halo
oh wow
about the whole
mass thing
yeah
the inventory display itself is bugged
because it doesn't tell the truth
you can put more mass than the maximum load I think
first aid kit has the mass of 8
and I have put 126 items in the 1000 maximumLoad container
making it contain a total of 1008 script wisely
you can put scriptwisely as much as you'd like
no one is safe!
peak plover
Ohh yeah, that's why you have containers where you can take items out, but not put anything back
Script ignores limit
Probobly have to do your own function and add a manual check in it for load
mortal halo
i have
that's why the numbers didn't add up
i made a custom function that calculates the max load of a container using config entries
also calculate the current load, by calculating all the masses of all the items inside the container
and the calculations for backpacks weren't right because i relied on the inventory progress bar display for ammoboxes
atleast they hid the bugs well so we won't notice
haha
peak plover
Feels so bootleg
peak plover
That's like everything in life 'tho
mortal halo
yeah, well it isn't
haha
in life you can make ugly things look nice
you put make up on it
here you can't
or, you can - we just scratched the make up hard enough
peak plover
The less I knew about scripting, the more working and polished it looked. But the more I know, the more I belive is possible
mortal halo
i can't believe i already put hours of work
because one single c++ line missing from the engine
this thought is a massive demotivation
peak plover
You are hours of work smarter now than you were before hours of work
mortal halo
yeah, it is true
infact, i've made tons of script libraries for the past years
never released a thing
but it all made me smarter
obsidian chasm
Ever have a great idea that you think will be impossible to achieve? thats where I am now 😄
mortal halo
me too haha
obsidian chasm
I hate that my imagination for ideas is too much for my dumbass to keep up with
peak plover
What are you doing with Escape from Tanoa now ? 😄
obsidian chasm
I did good stuff today, added new loadouts for Ai and increased their size 😛
but my idea is using the 'Hummingbirds' (BLUFOR) in Tanoa
but ye, many issues since i need to switch their sides and then have them fire on us like in Malden
its a nice dream though 😄
peak plover
What you want to do is spawn the vehicle without crew and spawn the crew from csat forces
That way you don't have to change their sides
you could always play as independent and then fight blufor + opfor, but they would shoot eachother as well
obsidian chasm
Yeah I think that'd be a mjaor issue also
I think this may be one of those things that sounds cool but wont happen
peak plover
You can also decrease your own rating or set yourself as enemy to all and then have setCaptive true for the heli
obsidian chasm
that's interesting
It may not even be worth it due to Tanoa being very jungle based
Malden is pretty damn open
peak plover
You should just check the workshop or google for some of these things, I bet there's a version of escape from tanoa in which you play as CSAT and enemy are BLUFOR
Because if you can think it, then somone already made it 90% of the time
obsidian chasm
Yeah
maybe so
i think baby steps are better for me right now
I'm thinking way too big for what I can achieve lol
peak plover
Yeah, a lot of people try to get into missions/scripts and try to bite a too big piece to begin with.
obsidian chasm
I only started doing any of this a week ago really
I did a few scripts years ago for Arma 2 though
rancid ruin
i'd say just do everything from scratch
you don't learn anything from copy/paste
and even complicated stuff is simple if you break it in to separate parts
obsidian chasm
I am happy just adding stuff to escape tanoa right now
I will probably make my own small missions after that though
Why does the Huey mod have to be blufor 😦
i got excited then
peak plover
What if I profileNamespace setVariable ["myVar",123,true]; what will public mean in this case?
Will it profilenamespace the variable to all clients?
Also is it stupid to save a bunch of stuff to profileNamespace, and should I purge it in my scripts? Any real danger of it getting too big?
And what would be a good way of doing so. Any way to get real life date without extensions?
mortal halo
For a fact, saving stuff onto profileNamespace is a bad practice - especially if in MP.
mortal halo
yeah, I guess its okay for those kinds of things only because that's the only way of keeping data
but if you do - try to not save anything onto players but rather on the server
I remember making a mission and I didn't want to use any of BI saving techniques because it's bad
peak plover
Yeah, it's semi good way. I think I will save all the variables that are used into a 3rd party variable into the profilenamespace and THEN if it's got like 10 of those it'll delete the oldest one
As in one per mission
mortal halo
is it important to save onto players tho? or could it only be on the server (which could, propagate the data to the players)
peak plover
That's a fucking hard one
So if I save for ex. the position of the player and he reconnects. He will get the unique seed of the current mission from the server, check the profileNamespace for the array of said seed and grab the position from there., why is this bad?
I could save the same information on the server, but this would also include player uid and then player could ask the server when it reconnects for info from himself, but this could be a giant packet of information containing gear/position/extra variables
subtle ore
profileNamespace isn't terrible, and in some situations it might just be the only way to save info without a DB
mortal halo
profileNamespace is mainly bad due to security - that's why server sided DB addons are used.
still forum
No you can't get real-life date without extension
peak plover
I feel like I should make functions for both versions, but I feel like the postives of client profilesnamespace are better
still forum
I don't think publicVariable on profileNamespace works
could be wrong tho
anything you save in profileNamespace the player himself could change
queen cargo
wont work
mortal halo
Go for namespace, just do know you're filling the players' profileNamespace with variables on their machine. If everyone did it, people could have bad impact
still forum
so storing mission progress in there is not a good Idea for a multiplayer mission
mortal halo
let alone security.
peak plover
ok, If someone figures out the seed and finds the correct line and goes through that trouble to "cheat' and change his position, then he deserves it
mortal halo
what do you mean by seed
peak plover
// generates seed on the server
// call mission_fnc_generateSeedServer;
// Code begins
// only run on server
if !(isServer) exitWith {};
// generate new seed
private _seed = random 999999999;
// generate random seed
if !(seed_reset) then {
// if not reset seed, grab last seed and compare missionName
_missionName = missionName;
_lastSeedArr = profileNamespace getVariable ["seed_lastSeed",['abc']];
_lastSeedArr params ["_lastMissionName","_lastSeed"];
// compare missionName to lastMissionName from the last seed
if (_lastMissionName isEqualTo _missionName) then {
_seed = _lastSeed;
};
};
// Set the mission seed
missionNamespace setVariable ["seed_seedVar",_seed,true];
profileNamespace setVariable ["seed_lastSeed",[missionName,_seed]];
saveProfileNamespace;
well then you just restrict who can acess variables from a player
peak plover
This is my seed generator
subtle ore
it's not like a player can modify them in their .arma3profilevars
queen cargo
@subtle ore go into editor then
subtle ore
@queen cargo I don't follow?
still forum
Is that sarcasm? I don't see that :x
queen cargo
thats why i am banned on KotH servers
peak plover
I can store multiplayer progress with this, for ex. completed tasks, AI arrays, etc. Then I can have a parameter in mission in case I want to reset
queen cargo
profileNamespace setVariable ["whatever", "memesarecool"]
subtle ore
Well hell. Maybe there could be a way of tracking previous to currently existing variable values
mortal halo
yeah, KoTH saved stats into profile namespace. people used this to change their levels
peak plover
I was banned for same thing @queen cargo . But they unbanned me because it is a bug abuse so it's only worthy of 2 weeks of ban
subtle ore
Alright, let's just say then. There is much need for a more secure way of writing variables to profileNamesapce
peak plover
I ran the mission in the editor and changed the money gain to 1000000 per second
queen cargo
do not know ... i know they "solved" it with hashing
did not wanted to spend the time to get that out of the server thus i just tested if it workd
subtle ore
or just compare the old versus current variable values
queen cargo
even worse: the actual hash is stored in RTP
@subtle ore the hash way is secure
you just have to kick if it missmatches
and make sure that the hashing algorithm is safe as a bank vault
subtle ore
Okay, how are hashes used in a3? I'm unaware on how it wroks.
peak plover
@subtle ore You could generate 3 keys, 2 on server and one on client. Then use a maths to check if the last edit was made from the server or sth
queen cargo
subtle ore
Oh, okay. Gotcha. Doesn't pertain to a3 exactly but more to a concept
peak plover
Like request a math from _clientVar from server and get the answer, then the cheater has to guess your numbers?
queen cargo
in theory you also can create a RSA based way to validate that
peak plover
in theory you can also save everything on the server and as soon as there's something different, log the persons details and ban him
queen cargo
however: that will be quite slow on SQF
requires a way to store
profilenamespace is not in fav. here serverside
subtle ore
missionNamespace isn't presistant over something like server restarts though
queen cargo
profilenamespace also available in servers @subtle ore
subtle ore
Oh wow, no kidding? That's interesting.
queen cargo
sarcasm? no need for
you refered missionNamespace having no persistance
subtle ore
No no no, you read me wrong. That was not sarcasm
queen cargo
kk
mortal halo
I am sad to say KK just announced the death of my lovely inventory.
I'll save it for the standalone.
subtle ore
so.. something like this? if(isServer) then {profileNamespace setVariable["CookieCount",0];};
@mortal halo What?
mortal halo
Weapons with attachments into containers isn't on any priority.
subtle ore
how did KK kill your inventory?
mortal halo
Inventory lacks some commands, as simple as that. I personally cannot do anything about it, though I did try what I could.
If my inventory can't deal with weapons
it's not an inventory
^^ direct quote
@little eagle I'd accept an "I told you" now
subtle ore
Hmmm..so why can't you get weapons to work? That doesnt' make a whole lot of sense
mortal halo
You can't add weapons with attachments to containers
and there's nothing BIS are going to do about it.
subtle ore
Why not just set up a dummy unit for each player and add it to the unit, add the attachments. Then put it in the container. Discrete but maybe?
mortal halo
Because when you deal with a tent and 100 weapons
little eagle
Indeed why not.
mortal halo
you can't wait a second for each weapon to move
and when when you play in MP
you can't have a dummy unit per player
or infact, have a dummy unit at all
It's bad practice.
little eagle
Yuval, here is another thing for you.
This discussion is essentially the Neverending Story.
So drop out of it while you can to save your sanity.
subtle ore
I'm sure no one has ever tried doing such bullshittery, so I'm not sure how that could be bad or good preactice if there is no other way
tulip cloud
I'm trying to create an eventHandler that will work on all vehicles on my Exile server. Basically when a vehicle is damamged >0.95 then it shouldn't explode or take more damage. I want it's damage set to .95 and not exceed that percentage.
I tested the following on EDEN Editor and it works. But it only applies to vehicles with a player in it. I want vehicles without players in them also.
(vehicle player) addEventHandler ["HandleDamage",
{
private ["_veh","_dmg","_overalldamage"];
_veh = _this select 0;
_dmg = _this select 2;
_overalldamage = (damage _veh) + _dmg;
if (_overalldamage > 0.95) then
{
_veh setDamage 0.95;
}else
{
_veh setDamage _overalldamage;
};
}
];
People will not accept certain things and nothing can change that.
queen cargo
you can have dummy units wich do no harm
disableAI is the way to go for it
still forum
@subtle ore Wrong. Commy already tried a year ago
subtle ore
@still forum I'm not necessarily wrong , Commy just didn't reach a solution. Eventually there will be a solution for as long as someone pursues it.
still forum
@tulip cloud I guess you don't have CBA?
tulip cloud
I do
still forum
I have a solution. But won't work with battleye and I don't think it's worth the effort
take a look at CBA_fnc_addClassEventHandler not sure if that's really the correct name
little eagle
It is.
still forum
add a Eventhandler to Car and all vehicles that inherit from Car will have that EH.. I guess
peak plover
How does ace3 move weapons with the unconcious man inventory? Do those weapons keep attachments?
mortal halo
the question that made everyone shut the fuck up
subtle ore
Possibly because there may be some research/thought that may be needed to deliever an answer? 🤷
still forum
Dunno what you are talking about
queen cargo
i personally am just doing other things already
tulip cloud
Something like this to server or player init?
["Car", "HandleDamage", {
private ["_veh","_dmg","_overalldamage"];
_veh = _this select 0;
_dmg = _this select 2;
_overalldamage = (damage _veh) + _dmg;
if (_overalldamage > 0.95) then
{
_veh setDamage 0.95;
}else
{
_veh setDamage _overalldamage;
};
} ] call CBA_fnc_addClassEventHandler;
every machine, justin
mortal halo
justin i think you can just return a number to the event handler and have it deal no damage at all - instead of letting it deal the damage and then setting the damage to 0.95
might be wrong tho
little eagle
Not with that version you can't.
It's the config version that ignores the return value.
little eagle
Well we are.
mortal halo
the regular event handlers let you handle damage yourself dont they?
i dont see what doesn't work
little eagle
You could instead use an init eventhandler though and add the handleDamage thing per sqf command if you wanted the return value to be used.
tulip cloud
I need to apply it to every vehicle on the server and ones that spawn in. So that is why I use the CBA Fnc I believe
mortal halo
commy can't you just return false and have nothing happen.. like properly override the engine handling of damage?
mortal halo
when using addEventHandler "HandleDamage"
little eagle
commy can't you just return false and have nothing happen.. like properly override the engine handling of damage?
No, because the config version ignores the return value.
icy raft
Heyo! I have a question! Is there any way to be sure that code executes in non-scheduled?
mortal halo
don't config
little eagle
This is based on the config version.
mortal halo
config is bad
little eagle
Well this is the config version no matter what you think about good and bad.
tulip cloud
I need the vehicle to take damage and make it unusable until repaired. So taking no damage would be invincibility which I don't want.
still forum
@icy raft run it inside isNil and the real terminology is unsheduled
still forum
you want to execute code or you want to check if it executes unscheduled?
icy raft
To execture it
mortal halo
but if he can use his mission since this is an exile server he should!
still forum
I told you the answer then
icy raft
I know how to make it non-scheduled, but RVE engine stops executing after a few cycles in some cases
little eagle
Yuval, the CBA function hooks into the config version. If you're using CBA, you don't need to edit the configs yourselfs. It's already done essentially.
mortal halo
i... am.. suggesting.. to not.. use.. cba
little eagle
Only while loop stops after 10k cycles. The for step 0 loop can cycle forever
icy raft
So is there any way to ensure that RVE doesn't skip no mater how long is the script?
tulip cloud
@mortal halo I personally don't care how its handled I just need an efficient way of making it that all Helicopters/Jets/Cars when taking damage that will destroy them sets their health to 0.95 instead.
still forum
@icy raft make sure your loops are not longer than 10k. Or run script in scheduled
icy raft
Only on loops?
mortal halo
Well man, you should make a regular eventhandler "HandleDamage" on your mission script, with no CBA and have it return false if you want no damage to be dealt.
still forum
yes.
little eagle
Only while loops
icy raft
Okay
little eagle
not all loops
mortal halo
I mean, dont use CBA to execute that eventhandler
icy raft
Gonna write a long init for a mission so good to know
still forum
a while loop shouldn't exist inside unscheduled anyway
mortal halo
use the vanilla eventhandlers
little eagle
a while loop shouldn't exist inside unscheduled anyway
you sure?
mortal halo
depends on the while loop
tulip cloud
I want damage to be dealt normally up to .95 anything above that should stop at that point. When you say damage not to be dealt sounds like I'll have a ton of indestructible vehicles which isn't the goal.
little eagle
Explain this: https://github.com/CBATeam/CBA_A3/blob/master/addons/common/fnc_inheritsFrom.sqf#L35-L41
Dedmen
icy raft
I will exist in my script, I need to go through a lot of stuff
mortal halo
I am saying, have damage not dealt on a vehicle when your condition for damage >= 0.95 is true
still forum
I'm sure there is some BIS function that returns all parents of a class. use that and check if the array contains the name
little eagle
So?
little eagle
That's horrible, Yuval
mortal halo
no!!!!!
little eagle
You managed to write
!CONDITION
the retarded way.
tulip cloud
my real problem is attaching the script to each vehicle. It's not so much the condition and returned value.
little eagle
justin, you already posted the answer.
That will do what you want
Ignore Yuval, he is on too much caffeine.
tulip cloud
ha
mortal halo
No ignore commy2, he's giving you 1 year old answers.
still forum
BIS_fnc_returnParents
{
if (_x == _baseConfig) exitWIth {_valid = true;};
} forEach _config call BIS_fnc_returnParents;
_valid
There ya go. No while loop
mortal halo
my path shall bring you to victory!
dedmen wouldn't returnParents contain while loops
still forum
little eagle
Now explain this: https://github.com/CBATeam/CBA_A3/blob/master/addons/common/fnc_addBackpackCargo.sqf#L60-L63
subtle ore
🍿
little eagle
No, dedmen. ConfigHierarchy lists the super classes and not the parent classes.
dusk sage
Or could use in @dedmen
tulip cloud
@mortal halo before I take my answer and go I have 1 question.
What BIS fnc will apply that event handler to all vehicles and not just the player's vehicle? This is what the CBA Fnc is accomplishing. If you can give me a script that will more efficiently handle this I'll switch it up...until then I'll continue with @little eagle 1 year old method
still forum
calculate the free space and then calculate how many backpacks would fit
@dusk sage No can't. Because that's case sensitive
dusk sage
Who would your two class names have different casing, if obtained the same way?
mortal halo
@tulip cloud if you broadcast the initialization of such eventhandler using remoteExec when you add the vehicles - that will be good.
but, you have to do it in script - using vanilla EHs
still forum
Who says they are obtained the same way?
the baseClass is given to the function by a user. The user might have handtyped that string ignoring any casing
mortal halo
if you prefer doing it in CBA, do so.
it's just really preference. i have arrogant and ignorant preferences of not using anything config related if possible
because config is bad.
dusk sage
And you could preferable use configHieracy to avoid the casing with config types
icy raft
What's the usage of CBA?
little eagle
configHieracy does not lists parent classes ffs
still forum
@icy raft Everything
tulip cloud
So what your saying is I need to write it in every sqf which initilizes vehicles. Or I can just write it once with CBA?
still forum
You can write it just once with CBA
mortal halo
yeah, but losing the return false and disabling engine handling
keep RV off your vehicles!
little eagle
Yes, in init.sqf. Not in every vehicles init box. That would mean you have N times the same eventhandler with N being the number of vehicles in the misson.
still forum
The code he was using in the beginning wasn't using the return value anyway
little eagle
To answer a previous question.
tulip cloud
The CBA Eventhandler fnc goes in init.sqf?
little eagle
Yes.
Or any other place that makes sure it's executed once and per machine at mission start.
By that I mean that you could also put it into a game logics init box, but why doing stuff the hard way when that would be exactly like init.sqf?
still forum
yes
If you are poor because no one wants to hire you because the scripts you write are so bad. then yes potentially
little eagle
🚒
tulip cloud
lol
little eagle
I wish there was a BIS function or command to add eventhandlers to classes of objects. Then I wouldn't have had to write that CBA function.
Too advanced for 2017
subtle ore
@little eagle isn't that was config is good for? 😃
tulip cloud
So hypothetically I should be able to test the script by creating a mission in Eden editor with CBA mod enabled. Add the Zeus Curator (game master) to a dude and put that script into the mission init. Then any vehicle that I spawn should not blow up right?
little eagle
Well, the eventhandler will execute. No idea if that's enough to never make a vehicle explode.
peak plover
if(_vehicle explode) then {dont}; How hard was that?
Doesn't ace3 stop vehicles from exploding, and just set's them on fire?
little eagle
if then don't
Thanks for dividing by 0. You just ended the universe.
tulip cloud
car, boat, air are the 3 classes right?
I'm not sure if anyone has got ace3 functioning with Exile haven't found any resources for that. Maybe its just the revive system they haven't got working with it.
peak plover
waitUntil does not work in unscheduled? Makes no sense...
nvm
It only executes once per frame
makes perfect sense
still forum
Makes no sense?
WTF dude?
unscheduled scripts freeze every other part of the game. NOTHING runs while a unscheduled script runs
the result condition of a waitUntil will never become true. You will deadlock the game
little eagle
You missed everything after and including the >nvm
still forum
The reason it's not allowed is not the "it executes once per frame" though. The reason is that suspending is not allowed
little eagle
Well, you said the same thing just more accurate.
still forum
Waituntil could also execute more than once per frame. That fact is completly unrelated to why it is disabled in unscheduled
little eagle
Repro?
still forum
I said could.
little eagle
I read that.
still forum
There is no repro.
waitUntil executes once because that's how the scheduler is built. It is completly unrelated to waitUntil itself
little eagle
The behaviour of waitUntil is kinda related to waitUntil itself.
still forum
It is not the behavious of waitUntil. It's the behaviour of the scheduler
little eagle
Waituntil could also execute more than once per frame.
I believe this to be false.
still forum
Cookiedough is the essential ingredient in cookies
No. You can execute a script more than once a frame. The scheduler just doesn't do that because it's dumb
little eagle
Dedmen is just wrong when he disagrees with me.
The scheduler just doesn't do that because it's dumb
So waitUntil can't run twice a frame?
still forum
You just say something the scheduler imposes on waitUntil is waitUntil itself
little eagle
That's also false.
still forum
wrong if it and all other scheduled and unscheduled scripts that run that frame don't take longer than 3ms
little eagle
You just say something the scheduler imposes on waitUntil is waitUntil itself
🤔
still forum
A motor accelerates a car. And you are saying the wheel accelerates the car
which is wrong
peak plover
I don't mind for everything to freeze while something important is happening
peak plover
Then why is he playing arma ?
still forum
freezing and stuttering doesn't matter if it's inside a loading screen or escape screen
little eagle
Quiksilver knows that everyone prefers a 40 seconds long loading screen with 30 FPS to a 20 second loading screen that is one frame.
little eagle
scheduled performance is actually worse, because that environment has additional checks in place for undefined variables, serialization, time counters for the suspension...
all stuff that is disabled in unschedued
still forum
false, true, true
still forum
it can. A scheduler just doesn't execute the same script twice a frame
little eagle
Therefore required scheduled environment
still forum
again unscheduled doesn't create FPS stutter if you don't write bad code
little eagle
How is that different from saying it can't?
still forum
because it can
still forum
If you change the scheduler
little eagle
Yes if you change the rules, the game is different.
Give pigs wings and they fly.
Pigs don't fly, cause they have no wings.
Q.E.D.
Quiksilver should stick to politics.
Explain that expression.
I hate bloomy words.
I have no idea what mod performance is.
still forum
Show me a place where it is done and it's unnecessary
Biggest FPS drop caused by ACE is Interaction Menu. Which needs to be drawn every frame. So the code needs to execute every frame. In unscheduled
little eagle
having something execute with high precision timing, when such precision is unnecessary
That is not performance.
Your definition of mod performance is wrong
You have no idea what you're talking about.
dismissed. back to politics
still forum
again. Show a place where that actually applies.
You get shot but because other Mods and crappy Missions are shitting all over the scheduler you only get unconcious 20 seconds later.
Would you call that good performance?
It's true. ACE and CBA are doing work. Work needs time to be done.
If you run more Programs you have higher CPU load.
little eagle
Your definition of mod performance is not performance. You are babbling nonsense as usual. Stick to politics.
No it doesn't.
still forum
You throw a granade. It explodes. for 5 seconds nothing happens. Suddenly shrapnels fly all around you.
Another example
still forum
Nametags. Would you like it if Nametags only update every 5 seconds?
still forum
ACE relies on CBA PFH. And that doesn't run every frame if you don't want it to
still forum
Name on example that shouldn't run every frame?
Refuiling a truck. It takes over a minute instead of 5 seconds if you put it in scheduled because the scheduler is overfilled
That's not a good playing experience
little eagle
You're making shit up, because you have no actual facts.
You just say what suits your feelings.
Stick to politics. That is opnion based.
It's better suited for you.
still forum
It's true that using ACE lowers FPS. Because there is soooo much more stuff that is done. But you can't actually give any examples on how to improve that
still forum
If there is plenty you have to know atleast one