#arma3_scripting | ARMA | Page 278

tough abyss Jan 15, 2017, 12:25 AM

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Nope.

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Nor have I tried to do it.

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I'm done with A3 SQF

earnest coral Jan 15, 2017, 12:27 AM

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thanks tho

tough abyss Jan 15, 2017, 12:35 AM

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Well @earnest coral I can provide help

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But I don't formally mod arma 3.

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To seperate the server-side comment you normally user a server side init.sqf

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inside a custom pbo

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that PBO is added the mod loading

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Then what happens is the server-dispatches remoteExec code to clients

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The clients then process that data, then send it back to the server-side component.

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It generates a lot of traffic overhead as arma 3 is not really designed to be a server-side -> client-side

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message passing

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it costs a lot.

cerulean whale Jan 15, 2017, 4:18 AM

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Ye. Less powerful machines feel it a lot more though.

cerulean whale Jan 15, 2017, 6:26 AM

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Well that's what one would think. .. but I find server to client traffic has far less effect to most people than it does to me, someone with a horrible pc

meager granite Jan 15, 2017, 8:01 AM

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@tough abyss The less scripting commands you have, the better

tough abyss Jan 15, 2017, 8:25 AM

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Any way to test things without the need to restart the whole game again and again... and again?

cedar kindle Jan 15, 2017, 8:31 AM

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file patching

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diag exe for configs

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 8:32 AM

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Was about to write that. Set up the dev environment and you just have to restart the mission. Some setups and you can even recompile functions during a mission.

tough abyss Jan 15, 2017, 8:42 AM

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i can change the files when using file patching and the server/client is running?

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thanks!

dusk sage Jan 15, 2017, 8:59 AM

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two locations, that shouldn't need anything special

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_myLocations = [loc1, loc2];
_locDistances = _myLocations apply {player distance (getPos _x)};
_nearestLocation = _myLocations select (_locDistances find (selectMin _locDistances));

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If you want to use selectMin

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_myLocations = [loc1, loc2]; 
_locDistances = _myLocations apply {player distance (getPos _x)}; 
_nearestLocation = _myLocations select (_locDistances select 0 > _locDistances select 1);

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Is neater though

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 9:21 AM

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my_fnc_nearerLocation = {
    params ["_origin", "_location"];

    private _distances = _location apply {_origin distanceSqr position _location};
    _location selectMin _distances;
};

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Perfect case for distanceSqr for maximum speed

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_origin is AGL

dusk sage Jan 15, 2017, 9:23 AM

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I don't think you can use selectMin like this, no?

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 9:23 AM

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Why not?

dusk sage Jan 15, 2017, 9:23 AM

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It will purely return an element

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From _distances

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Which makes that a syntax error

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 9:24 AM

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Oh, right

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with find , right?

dusk sage Jan 15, 2017, 9:24 AM

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Yeh you need to find it in the distance array then select that element in the location array

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But if there is only two elements, seems like a lot of overhead a simple > than could achieve

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 9:25 AM

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Not so sure about that. Must test.

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There is a massive overhead in SQF for every command used

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my_fnc_nearerLocation = {
    params ["_origin", "_locations"];

    private _distances = _locations apply {_origin distanceSqr position _x};
    _locations select (_distances find selectMin _distances);
};

dusk sage Jan 15, 2017, 9:25 AM

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Yeh, the second example I posted should be quicker

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Using find with 2 elements seems silly

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 9:25 AM

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Sure, but SQF. It's not silly if it's faster

dusk sage Jan 15, 2017, 9:26 AM

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Gimme the results when you have them

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If find is quicker I will eat my shorts in horror

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 9:26 AM

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And find in two element array isn't actually that slow anyway

dusk sage Jan 15, 2017, 9:26 AM

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It's not slow, but you'd expect a quick* comparison to be quicker

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In normal programming world, at least

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Need to change what SQF stands for

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 9:28 AM

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This is normal programming too. It's just that every command is a function with type checks instead of a low level "greater than"

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We need a findMin and findMax

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_arr = [127, 255];
_arr select (_arr select 0 > _arr select 1)

vs

_arr = [127, 255];
_arr select (_arr find selectMin _arr)

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Is this right?

dusk sage Jan 15, 2017, 9:37 AM

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That's the discrepancy indeed. normal programming & low level

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Selecting a minimum from an array, then finding that index in the array will be majorly slower than just a >

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yeh that's right*

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jesus oh god

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I've been up far to long to make that typo

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My words are just gone

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 9:38 AM

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You don't do just a >

dusk sage Jan 15, 2017, 9:38 AM

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🙃 🔫

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 9:38 AM

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you also do two select

dusk sage Jan 15, 2017, 9:39 AM

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you are just comparing

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_arr select 0 > _arr select 1 vs _arr find selectMin _arr

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As the rest is just duplicate

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 9:39 AM

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select is a command too

dusk sage Jan 15, 2017, 9:39 AM

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yeh, but the result of either of those will be the same

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So the result of selecting from the original array will be the same

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 9:40 AM

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0.0053 ms

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0.0047 ms

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mine is faster

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lol

dusk sage Jan 15, 2017, 9:40 AM

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if select has a big overhead, gonna be upset

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 9:40 AM

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select has massive overhead, hence why params is so big

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0.005 ms

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0.0038 ms

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yup, mine is faster

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Every command has big overhead. select is a particularly shitty one.

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_arr = [127, 255];
_arr select (_arr param [0] > _arr param [1])

dusk sage Jan 15, 2017, 9:43 AM

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That'll be slower

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And if it isn't

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BI need to fix their shit

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 9:43 AM

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It's slightly slower

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The difference is smaller than between selectMin find and select though

dusk sage Jan 15, 2017, 9:44 AM

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This all just saddens me

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The fact they managed to create such a large overhead on one of the fastest operations is just

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https://giphy.com/gifs/chris-guardians-pratt-l0MYEqEzwMWFCg8rm

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 9:44 AM

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Check the C++

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two thirds are type checks

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And select has many alternative syntaxes now

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They all have to be checked. Many if's you're doing every time

dusk sage Jan 15, 2017, 9:45 AM

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The vanilla select requires nothing, so it's somewhat sad they couldn't avoid ruining it

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 9:46 AM

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"vanilla select" ?

dusk sage Jan 15, 2017, 9:46 AM

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arr select index

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I'll run this in C#, see what the results are

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 9:46 AM

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Yes, it does check LHS and RHS types

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selectMin for example only checks RHS type

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That is 50% of 80% of the processing time gone

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*estimate

dusk sage Jan 15, 2017, 9:47 AM

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A type check wouldn't slow it down that much C++ side

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If it was left to purely arr select index, you're checking that index is an int

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That's it

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Which is negligible

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 9:47 AM

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Maybe. I'm just trying to explain the observed behaviour. If you have better explanations that match reality, go ahead.

dusk sage Jan 15, 2017, 9:48 AM

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I'll do a select vs find in C#, hold on

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Ignoring any type checks

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Okay so, an int array of 1, 2 -> arr[0] > arr[1], then converting to int (like select bool would do in ARMA)

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Is

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80ms over 10m iterations

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Same arr, finding the minimum, then finding the index of that element, over 10m iterations

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is

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403ms

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 9:51 AM

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The vanilla select requires nothing, so it's somewhat sad they couldn't avoid ruining it

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select wasn't ruined. It was always slow as dirt

dusk sage Jan 15, 2017, 9:51 AM

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Then

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(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 9:51 AM

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binary commands tend to be like that.

dusk sage Jan 15, 2017, 9:52 AM

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Was the plan to use a language for enfusion, or w/e it's called?

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 9:52 AM

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Idk, should ask the devs

dusk sage Jan 15, 2017, 9:52 AM

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Even if that engine is the plan

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 9:54 AM

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Okay so, an int array of 1, 2 -> arr[0] > arr[1], then converting to int (like select bool would do in ARMA)

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Can you even test like this in C#?

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Doesn't the compiler optimize everything away?

dusk sage Jan 15, 2017, 9:55 AM

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Sure, it does optimisation at runtime, but there isn't much you could abstract from it

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 9:56 AM

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Idk how deep that rabbit hole goes. No programmer

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Not a fan of machines thinking for you. But I guess that's better than getting more shitty programs from shitty programmers

dusk sage Jan 15, 2017, 9:56 AM

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Even with any optimisation, it still has to select the array twice, compare, then convert the bool to int

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😄 yeh

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 10:02 AM

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Oh, yeah. Now I remember why I tried param

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_this select 0

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is slower than

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param [0]

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Only works for _this of course

tepid quarry Jan 15, 2017, 11:32 AM

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Is there anyway to add all items to Arsenal EXCEPT default Arma 3 weapons? Updating a mission to incorporate VAS, but of course don't want a WW2 Map with the default Arma 3 weapons. Or do I have to do a whitelist :S?

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 11:37 AM

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You have to fix the configs of the addon with the item.

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oh, you want to remove the vanilla weapons

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wait

tepid quarry Jan 15, 2017, 11:39 AM

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yes

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I only want the WW2 weapons included with the mod, none of the default arma 3 weapons

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 11:39 AM

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arsenal#Add

Arsenal

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You cannot remove them, but you can add an Arsenal with only the WW2 weapons.

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you have to go through all classes though

tepid quarry Jan 15, 2017, 11:40 AM

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yeah thats what I figured

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But wanted to see if there was an easy way instead of whitelistinng

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 11:40 AM

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No

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I mean

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You could write a script that reads the configs with and without the mod

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and parses a list for you

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But if you're not into scripting it's faster to do by hand

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I think

tepid quarry Jan 15, 2017, 11:45 AM

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ok commy thanks!

rigid plover Jan 15, 2017, 2:52 PM

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Is there a way to hide script errors? I don't want to fix the error as it isn't causing a problem for the scene and I just want to film a quick cinematic shot and its in the way. I already have show script errors dissabled in the launcher and it is still there

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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=842989968

indigo snow Jan 15, 2017, 2:53 PM

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are you previewing in 3den? 3den always shows errors.

rigid plover Jan 15, 2017, 2:53 PM

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yes

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Is there a workaround? so errors don't show?

indigo snow Jan 15, 2017, 2:53 PM

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disable @sthud then

rigid plover Jan 15, 2017, 2:53 PM

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how do i do that?

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in launc params?

indigo snow Jan 15, 2017, 2:54 PM

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dont launch with the mod, yes

rigid plover Jan 15, 2017, 2:57 PM

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Never mind just realised what you were saying ;D

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 3:08 PM

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Fix the error ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Nah, you can just remove -showScriptErrors

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They aren't shown by default, you enabled them with this startup parameter

indigo snow Jan 15, 2017, 3:16 PM

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The ones in 3DEN previews are independent from the parameter, they always show (in my experience)

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 3:17 PM

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Check the screenshot

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It's one of the -showScriptError ones

indigo snow Jan 15, 2017, 3:18 PM

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Yea i'm talking about those too. They show when you're previewing a mission in 3DEN even if you dont have the startup parameter enabled

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 3:18 PM

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That's silly

jade abyss Jan 15, 2017, 3:25 PM

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commy2 - Today at 4:08 PM
Fix the error ¯_(ツ)_/¯

check #general_chat_arma @little eagle 😄

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@indigo snow Since when? Do you know that? iirc i haven't noticed a msg in there oO

indigo snow Jan 15, 2017, 3:27 PM

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since it first came out man

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 3:27 PM

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If there is an error, fix it. Everything else is retarded. Sorry.

indigo snow Jan 15, 2017, 3:27 PM

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was a bit suprised too

jade abyss Jan 15, 2017, 3:28 PM

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wut? oO

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I mean, okay: Its an Editor.
You are never done learning. Interesting.

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 3:29 PM

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Errors should always been shown. Imo

jade abyss Jan 15, 2017, 3:29 PM

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but think about the life-Server!

little eagle Jan 15, 2017, 3:30 PM

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It forces people to fix their shit or drop bugged addons

jade abyss Jan 15, 2017, 3:30 PM

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see msg above.

cerulean whale Jan 15, 2017, 5:47 PM

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Sometimes you might open a mission which its functions are serverside (like mine) and theb you cannot avoid errrors

digital pulsar Jan 15, 2017, 6:52 PM

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you can run it as hosted mp in eden

tough abyss Jan 15, 2017, 7:57 PM

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is there any Rsc or control that we cna create for a color picker or any thing arma related

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if not would it be possible to make one?

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also can it return "#(rgb,8,8,3)color(0,0,1,1)"

meager granite Jan 15, 2017, 7:58 PM

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you'll have to script it yourself, there is no ready color picker control

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check how color pickers are implemented (tons of examples online), insert image with range of colors, add click event hander and translate mouse position into position on color picker image

tough abyss Jan 15, 2017, 7:59 PM

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thanks

hallow spear Jan 15, 2017, 8:00 PM

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is there any way to accept any value for the second position in an array? ex: [0,*]

tough abyss Jan 15, 2017, 8:01 PM

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array select 2?

hallow spear Jan 15, 2017, 8:03 PM

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I have a switch condition check. [x,y] ... hoping to have first value dependent and second not.

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some need the second value specific. just curious

willow pike Jan 15, 2017, 8:04 PM

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@tough abyss https://github.com/acemod/ACE3/blob/master/addons/optionsmenu/gui/settingsMenu.hpp

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this should have a color picker inside

tough abyss Jan 15, 2017, 8:04 PM

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😮 thanks

willow pike Jan 15, 2017, 8:07 PM

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http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/102855182611716114/4E4B29B0AD9AEB69DFBD22B78A8D6667510F3CFF/

nocturne basalt Jan 15, 2017, 8:19 PM

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Can I simulate a multiplayer game somehow? I want to test my code using isMultiplayer, isServer

willow pike Jan 15, 2017, 8:23 PM

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run it on a server? 😃

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join a server with enabledebug 1 test it with server side exec

digital pulsar Jan 15, 2017, 8:26 PM

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you have that option in eden

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Eden_Editor:_Preview

nocturne basalt Jan 15, 2017, 8:42 PM

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ok thanks Ill check it out

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@willow pike I cant just join any server cause it doesnt have my mod

jade abyss Jan 15, 2017, 8:43 PM

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Make a local Server

nocturne basalt Jan 15, 2017, 8:56 PM

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@Foley#1330 When I try the map in MP its the same as hosting a server. therefore I cannot test isServer, as it will always be true

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@jade abyss Can I make a local server and join that from the same pc?

jade abyss Jan 15, 2017, 8:57 PM

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Yep

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Just setup a local DedicatedServer and connect to him.

nocturne basalt Jan 15, 2017, 9:00 PM

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@jade abyss ok Ill try

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thanks

broken mural Jan 15, 2017, 9:37 PM

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What event handler, if any, can I add to an object like a box that is triggered when the box is destroyed?

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Would it be the same as for soldiers?

jade abyss Jan 15, 2017, 9:39 PM

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killed

broken mural Jan 15, 2017, 9:39 PM

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thanks, Dscha.

jade abyss Jan 15, 2017, 9:39 PM

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yepyep

earnest coral Jan 15, 2017, 9:46 PM

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Anyone knows anything about a Anti Nss Script, there will block peoples nss, cours signing files issent working for me

broken mural Jan 15, 2017, 10:22 PM

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Is there a way to capture an object's vehicelvarname in the Killed event hander? Upon adding the eventhandler, it returns the correct name but when the killed handler is triggered it flips to "any".

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basically trying to get the vehiclevarname of a killed unit or object, but it appears its dumped when the vehicle is destroyed?

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nevermind I figured it out. Instead of trying to pass a variable set to the object's name on killed, I have to do vehiclevarname (_this select 0) inside the handler.

ionic orchid Jan 15, 2017, 11:21 PM

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am I right in reading that there's no server-side event handling for a player death/respawn?

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all I can find is a bug report for the mpeventhandler "mprespawn" being client-side only

thin pine Jan 15, 2017, 11:26 PM

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@ionic orchid idk bout that bug report but if whats on the wiki is valid, MPRespawn is indeed an option you could use: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Event_Handlers#addMPEventHandler

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you add the eventhandler on the players - on the server - and everytime a player will respawn, it will trigger

ionic orchid Jan 15, 2017, 11:27 PM

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bummer :/ I gave that a shot but nothing happens server-side ( https://feedback.bistudio.com/T72876 )

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it does read like it should work, but in practice not so much, sadly

thin pine Jan 15, 2017, 11:29 PM

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Aye. I was also looking at onPlayerRespawn.sqf for you but it seems that is also only locally executed

ionic orchid Jan 15, 2017, 11:29 PM

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I think I'll try hooking the client-side call...and passing something back to the server with publicVariableServer

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messy, but I'll take it if it works

thin pine Jan 15, 2017, 11:31 PM

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On a side note while searching I found out https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Multiplayer_scripting is quite outdated, still using SQS 😮

tough abyss Jan 15, 2017, 11:40 PM

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veh2 = nearestObject [player, "All"]; doesnt seem to work

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veh2 returns null i believe

ionic orchid Jan 15, 2017, 11:54 PM

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coolio, that worked... used the mission onPlayerRespawn.sqf script to do it

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playerHasRespawned = player;
publicVariableServer "playerHasRespawned";

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then I catch that on the server and use that to re-init the player addActions that lost when they died

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that=they

tough abyss Jan 16, 2017, 12:18 AM

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could anyone help me to test Auto Defense Turrets on my server? https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/193884-brpvp-english-server-and-client-files/?do=findComment&comment=3140614

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To see it it catch the correct target when multiple targets.

knotty iron Jan 16, 2017, 2:55 AM

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Hi everyone, I'm new to scripting but want to create a script bound which will report the current in-game time to a hint. Every post I've read either has to do with syncing real-world time or something else unrelated to my needs. Is there a way to retrieve the current in-game time and display it in a hint? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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Thank you for the prompt response Quiksilver and for my purposes I'd rather have the time displayed as a hint than having to check the watch. I haven't seen any command to pull the in-game time (same as what's on the watch) so I can use it as a hint but I probably missed it in all my searching

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Thank you!!

tough abyss Jan 16, 2017, 6:39 AM

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Sorry for my impatience but i wanted to ask how i would accomplish
veh2 = nearestObject [player, "All"]; doesnt seem to work
veh2 returns null i believe

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Or just capture every vehicle that is Air tank LandVehicle and Ship

meager granite Jan 16, 2017, 7:01 AM

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accomplish what?

tough abyss Jan 16, 2017, 7:17 AM

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Well to find the nearest object that is type of all

cerulean whale Jan 16, 2017, 7:30 AM

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Well, 'ALL' would only work if you have an object which its ID is 'ALL'...

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So unless you modded in a thing called "ALL"...

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if you are referring to ALL as ALL objects then just do nearestObject player;

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Oh, I read the bottom part

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put Air, tank, LandVehicle and Ship into an Array and then do someting like nearestObject [player, _array]. You could have to put some operator in (I haven't done anything for a week because I was on vacation and can't remember crap). Otherwise just do a foreach statement with each part of the array.... e.g.

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{
      _veh = pushBack (nearestObject [player, _x]);
} foreach _array;

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that's for finding the closest of all 4 types

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then you could do a foreach sttatement for each _veh

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and then see which ones distance is the least

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@tough abyss

tough abyss Jan 16, 2017, 7:46 AM

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@cerulean whale thanks

meager granite Jan 16, 2017, 7:54 AM

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/nearObjects

nearObjects

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player nearObjects ["All", 123]

half monolith Jan 16, 2017, 8:02 AM

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Im having a problem getting a blacklist to work via script for the bohemia arsenal, I have figured out how to whitelist, but when i change " BIS_fnc_addVirtualItemCargo; " to " BIS_fnc_removeVirtualItemCargo;" I get no joy

meager granite Jan 16, 2017, 8:05 AM

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@tough abyss CfgWorlds something-something

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@half monolith remove probably removes item that you already added

half monolith Jan 16, 2017, 8:10 AM

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I think the issue is that nothing is getting added so when i try to remove say a nightstalker in my test script, all i really have is an empty box

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[] spawn BIS_fnc_arsenal;

[_this,[
"stuff",
"moreStuff"
],true] call BIS_fnc_removeVirtualBackpackCargo;

[_this,[
"stuff",
"moreStuff"
],true] call BIS_fnc_removeVirtualMagazineCargo;

[_this,[
"stuff",
"moreStuff"
],true] call BIS_fnc_removeVirtualWeaponCargo;

[_this,[
"optic_nightstalker",
"optic_tws"
],true] call BIS_fnc_removeVirtualItemCargo;

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this works to whitelist things,

meager granite Jan 16, 2017, 8:11 AM

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if (count _classes == 0 && _add < 0) then {
_cargoArray = [];
_save = true;
} else {

half monolith Jan 16, 2017, 8:11 AM

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but i changed the add to remove

meager granite Jan 16, 2017, 8:11 AM

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looks like removing anything just clears the list

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probably not fully implemented

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oh wait, classes == 0

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no it supposed to remove properly looking at code @half monolith

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@tough abyss First airport is defined right in CfgWorlds, others are in secondaryAirports

half monolith Jan 16, 2017, 8:13 AM

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so how would i initialize it full, so there are items to remove?

meager granite Jan 16, 2017, 8:14 AM

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I'd write my own script to add only what you need

half monolith Jan 16, 2017, 8:18 AM

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well i have no issue with a whitelist, as i can make it work. we have a rather large collection of maps id like to implement this on, and the task i was given was blacklist, and not to touch missionfile. it comes from above lol.. the other thing is we dont want to remove much more than thermals and some other stuff.

meager granite Jan 16, 2017, 8:19 AM

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I don't use Arsenal myself to tell for sure, just looking at scripts and guessing that you can't have "Everything but", only "Everything" or list defined by yourself

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Yeah looks like add* and remove* functions only operate whitelist

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basically to remove something you have to add it first

half monolith Jan 16, 2017, 8:21 AM

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thats what i thought i read somewhere

meager granite Jan 16, 2017, 8:22 AM

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if (_add > 0) then {
if (!(_class in _cargoArray) && (_class != "" || _class == "%ALL")) then {_cargoArray set [count _cargoArray,_class];};
} else {
_cargoArray = _cargoArray - [_class];
};

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yeah it operates whitelist only

half monolith Jan 16, 2017, 8:23 AM

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so to make blacklist, need to white list everything first, is there a way to do this without actually making the list?

meager granite Jan 16, 2017, 8:24 AM

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Yeah just look how its done in arsenal itself and replicate in your script

half monolith Jan 16, 2017, 8:25 AM

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ok ill look at that , thanks for the help

meager granite Jan 16, 2017, 8:26 AM

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Or modify arsenal to make this blacklist instead of whitelist

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Depending on your scripting ability

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#define CONDITION(LIST) (_fullVersion || {"%ALL" in LIST} || {{_item == _x} count LIST > 0})

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this is condition that checks if item should be included in the list

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Make a copy of arsenal script, name it something else and have this define changed to exclude items that are in the list

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I guess it should work

half monolith Jan 16, 2017, 8:37 AM

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not that great, learning as i go ported a couple missions so far. is one thing to get help, but to understand it at the same time is another sometimes. im trying to learn more than have handed to me, I wasnt able to get that to work, preprocessor failed missing filename. at least i get to see a diff error

meager granite Jan 16, 2017, 8:40 AM

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unpack functions_f_bootcamp, copy arsenal script from there to your mission, modify it, compile the script into your own arsenal variable, call it instead of BIS_fnc_arsenal where needed

half monolith Jan 16, 2017, 8:43 AM

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gotcha

earnest coral Jan 16, 2017, 1:47 PM

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So when i start my server i get this error "no entry 'bin\config.bin/CfgMarkers.ALR_Shop" anyone know how to fix it

indigo snow Jan 16, 2017, 1:53 PM

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You're trying to create a marker that's not present in the game.

thin pine Jan 16, 2017, 1:54 PM

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It's a pbo

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Possibly trpg

earnest coral Jan 16, 2017, 2:01 PM

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I dont have a pbo called trpg

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can it be ALR_Markers.pbo

median iris Jan 16, 2017, 2:09 PM

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Did you edit that missions mission.sqm with 3den or have any mods enabled when editing, potentially unnoticed?

earnest coral Jan 16, 2017, 2:10 PM

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in 3den and i have my modpack active

median iris Jan 16, 2017, 2:12 PM

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Put 3den on your server as a test if it starts with no error there is something calling one of its entities, or so it would seem. You need to find the "include addons", I want to say thats in the mission.sqm and find the dependency.

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Or merge your edits with an older file

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If anyone else can provide a better solution please do, I personally have never encountered this problem.

earnest coral Jan 16, 2017, 2:14 PM

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3den issent that just the normal edditor in arma 3

median iris Jan 16, 2017, 2:15 PM

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I'm sorry that is a bit confusing there is an extension for it and I read your error wrong lol, I am totally wrong

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What was the last thing editied before you started seeing this error?

earnest coral Jan 16, 2017, 2:16 PM

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i deleted a shop

median iris Jan 16, 2017, 2:16 PM

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Is this mission.pbo derived from a mod? If so which one?

earnest coral Jan 16, 2017, 2:18 PM

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i dont know what you mean

median iris Jan 16, 2017, 2:19 PM

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You have VOIP:

earnest coral Jan 16, 2017, 2:19 PM

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no

median iris Jan 16, 2017, 2:20 PM

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Whats the mission like my dude?

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Is it alits life, exile, domination, annex?

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And can you paste your servers rpt log

earnest coral Jan 16, 2017, 2:21 PM

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It is Kelleyisland

median iris Jan 16, 2017, 2:21 PM

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Nice

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:00 PM

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Hey guys, what command can I use to set a lb item greyed out?

earnest coral Jan 16, 2017, 3:00 PM

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Its works when i lunch with TDAST but when i lunch with my start.bat it come with the error

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:01 PM

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Guys, I am looking for a way to set OPFOR units in an outpost to captive until a condition is met

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What's the best way for doing this?

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Can I somehow get a list of all units (or vehicles in general) inside a trigger area?

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:02 PM

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Yes

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With foreach loop

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And using _x

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:02 PM

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do I need to iterate over all OPFOR and check if they are inside the area?

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:03 PM

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Just check before the loop

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like player distance whatever

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:03 PM

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?

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:03 PM

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then set a variable

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check in the loop

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:03 PM

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I don't get what you mean =/

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:03 PM

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if ( _inArea ) then { do whatever you want with _x }

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:04 PM

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{if _x <inside area> then <do stuff with _x>} forEach <opfor units>

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something like that?

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dammit

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I was hoping for something like

{<stuff>} forEach <units inside area>

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:05 PM

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{

     if ( player distance ( getMarkerPos _x ) < 100 ) exitWith { _inArea = true; };

} forEach [ "areas", "areas" ];

{
  if ( _inArea ) then { do something with _X };
} forEach _opforUnits;```

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:06 PM

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That's not at all what I want to do

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:07 PM

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What do you want to do then?

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You wanted to get all units inside an area right?

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:07 PM

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{<stuff>} forEach <units inside area>

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Your code seems to check if the player is inside an area

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:08 PM

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yes and then do stuff with the people inside that area

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:08 PM

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and if yes, do something with all OPFOR units

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:08 PM

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then remoteexec on east when the trigger is made on map

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:08 PM

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I don't get it; you set _inArea once

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and then you check it in each iteration of the loop

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why though? It doesn't change

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:09 PM

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If they're not in the area, then _inArea will be false.

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:09 PM

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no it won't

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at the time you start the loop

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:10 PM

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Hahah, yes it will

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:10 PM

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_inArea is either true or false

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:10 PM

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Yes

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if ( _inArea ) {}

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If they're in the area, then the variable will be true

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Otherwise it wont

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It will check when that script is run

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:11 PM

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{
  if ( _inArea ) then { do something with _X };
} forEach _opforUnits;

is semantically identical to

if (_inArea) then {do something with _x} foreach _opforUnits;

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:11 PM

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It's just how I write my code

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:11 PM

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the point is

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no, I've already made my point

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that script doesn't work

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:12 PM

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Look mate, it works, I have tried it just right now

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:12 PM

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the logic of that script is If the player is in one of the following areas, then do something with ALL opfor units

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:12 PM

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What are you saying is wrong with it?

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:12 PM

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I want do something with those opfor units that are in the area of trigger X

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:13 PM

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Ok look, then that script may not be for you, but it works. You asked for a script to execute something on opfor units in an area. You may just go with a trigger and when a opfor unit enters, RE on all opfor units.

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:14 PM

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look, I was not saying that your script would cause arma to explode

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I was saying that it doesn't do what I want (not even close)

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and it doesn't

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I could post some code to respawn a vehicle right now

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and it wouldn't be wrong code

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but it would still have nothing to do with what I was saying

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and either way, what you said is wrong

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:15 PM

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Then I understood wrong what you needed

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:15 PM

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that code does NOT operate on opfor units in a certain area

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it operates on ALL opfor units if the PLAYER is in a certain area

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:16 PM

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Yes, but You may just go with a trigger and when a opfor unit enters, RE on all opfor units.

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:17 PM

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...

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I don't want all opfor units

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:17 PM

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Ah ok

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:17 PM

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only those that are in the area

thin pine Jan 16, 2017, 3:17 PM

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Jeez

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:18 PM

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What Opfor units do you need?

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:18 PM

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FFS what a misunderstanding xD

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look, I don't care to get them filtered by faction, what I care about is getting a list of units that are inside the trigger area

rancid ruin Jan 16, 2017, 3:18 PM

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calm down boys lol

thin pine Jan 16, 2017, 3:18 PM

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Why not use a trigger

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:19 PM

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@thin pine I AM USING A TRIGGER

thin pine Jan 16, 2017, 3:19 PM

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Calm those titties

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Use thisList

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It's an array containing all units that match trigger condition

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:20 PM

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ok im going to write you something reall quick

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:20 PM

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{_x setCaptive true;} forEach thisList; should this work?

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(condition set to simply true)

thin pine Jan 16, 2017, 3:20 PM

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Condition must be this

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Actually not sure

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Test it

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:21 PM

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then I am screwed

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it doesn't work

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in this case I can set the condition to this

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but then I need another trigger to activate when a flag is set

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never mind, in that case I can just use this and <flag>

thin pine Jan 16, 2017, 3:22 PM

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Or use the inArea code if you want total control and oversight

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:23 PM

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then I need to iterate over all opfor units though

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:23 PM

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    private _areas = [ "area1marker", "area2marker" ];
    private "_inArea";
    _inArea = false;
    {
    
        if ( player distance ( getMarkerPos _x ) < 100 ) exitWith { _inArea = true; };
        
    } forEach _areas;

    _conditionsMet = false;
    if ( _inArea && { side _x isEqualTo east } ) then {
    
        _conditionsMet = true;
        
    };

} forEach playableUnits;```

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:23 PM

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I would like to avoid that

thin pine Jan 16, 2017, 3:24 PM

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Could use nearEntities to only get the close ones hehe

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:24 PM

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@rotund cypress player? shouldn't that be a _x?

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:24 PM

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yeah sorry

thin pine Jan 16, 2017, 3:24 PM

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Tbh tho what kind of environment is this in? Big MP gamemode?

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:25 PM

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no

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that wont work

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:25 PM

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@thin pine nearEntities THANKS! That's exactly what I wanted 😃

thin pine Jan 16, 2017, 3:25 PM

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Or coop mission?

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:25 PM

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It's a coop mission

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I want players to drive by an OPFOR checkpoint and not be shot

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after a while I want OPFOR to turn hostile though

thin pine Jan 16, 2017, 3:25 PM

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Ah

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:25 PM

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all other OPFOR units are hidden far away from the AO

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so unless players go exploring and find out that santaclaus is actually their parents, I don't need to set all OPFOR units to captive, only that one outpost

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the worst case alternative would be that: setting ALL opfor to captive until they are supposed to attack

thin pine Jan 16, 2017, 3:27 PM

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Btw you could have a trigger set to this, activation opfor, set trigger variable name and then retrieve a list of all opfor units in that area using the list command

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List trigger1 for example

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Idk if it has to be set to repeatable. Maybe.

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But jusr useful hint

loud python Jan 16, 2017, 3:30 PM

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{_x setCaptive true;} forEach thisList; doesn't seem to work =/

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neither does {_x setCaptive true;} forEach (list thisTrigger);

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{_x setCaptive true;} forEach (thisTrigger nearEntities 50); DOES work, but it doesn't work with the triggers actual area

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too bad we're not supposed to use setFriend after the mission has started

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that would really help with this kind of mission

rotund cypress Jan 16, 2017, 3:50 PM

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Is there a command to add weapon sway?

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Alright found it

meager granite Jan 16, 2017, 4:34 PM

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if list thisTrigger doesn't have needed units then you misconfigured trigger

earnest coral Jan 16, 2017, 7:24 PM

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Anyone knows how to fix this http://imgur.com/a/Ryz2Y

jade abyss Jan 16, 2017, 7:29 PM

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Use the correct password.

earnest coral Jan 16, 2017, 7:33 PM

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Fixet it

little eagle Jan 16, 2017, 7:39 PM

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I'm laughing, Dscha. Just so you know.

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What would they all do without you?

earnest coral Jan 16, 2017, 7:41 PM

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Anyone know how to fix where the database wont write or read to the database

jade abyss Jan 16, 2017, 8:19 PM

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commy2 - Today at 8:39 PM
I'm laughing, Dscha. Just so you know.
What would they all do without you?```
Good question.

ionic orchid Jan 16, 2017, 9:17 PM

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I'm trying to dump a connecting player straight into the running mission, but can't seem to stop the map screen from showing?

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I've tried:
skipLobby = 1;
showMap = 0;

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skipLobby works fine, showMap not so much :\

ionic orchid Jan 16, 2017, 10:07 PM

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ah, nevermind - in-editor tooltip says it only hides the map and that screen isn't skipped

cerulean whale Jan 16, 2017, 10:09 PM

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@ionic orchid Do you want to skip the briefing phase (map screen)? There is a launch parameter you can do when you launch your server to bypass it

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I'll see if I can find it

ionic orchid Jan 16, 2017, 10:10 PM

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that would be awesome if you could

cerulean whale Jan 16, 2017, 10:10 PM

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I used it on my server before I went away on vacation. Let me just msg one of the guys to see if they remember it

ionic orchid Jan 16, 2017, 10:13 PM

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I see there's one for SP missions, but that's probably not the one you mean

cerulean whale Jan 16, 2017, 10:17 PM

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Try that. I've found the one for skipLobby and autoAssign but can't find the briefing one

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Maybe I did it somehow different. 😛 I'll keep looking for you though

ionic orchid Jan 16, 2017, 10:22 PM

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Hmm, nope didn't work 😦

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Thanks for still looking, though!

hallow spear Jan 17, 2017, 12:25 AM

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i'd be curious to get the command too

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closest I can find: http://killzonekid.com/arma-scripting-tutorials-how-to-skip-briefing-screen-in-mp/

ionic orchid Jan 17, 2017, 12:45 AM

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looks like it might be just the thing

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a filthy hack but I'm starting to find that filthy hacks are kinda common :/

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 12:48 AM

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Doesn't look so bad, except that KK apparently doesn't understand how escaping the waitUntil code block works.

thin pine Jan 17, 2017, 12:57 AM

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@little eagle it's late....and i know I shouldn't..but ima do it anyway. Please elaborate.

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my 2am brain dun see nuffin wron with dat code

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 12:58 AM

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Yeah, nvm.

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0 spawn {
    waitUntil {
        if (true) exitWith {false};
        false 
    };
    systemChat "exited scope despite using false";
};

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Thought you can exit the scope anyway, but apparently you have to exit with true.

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It's different from the while block apparently

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0 spawn { 
    while { 
        if (true) exitWith {true}; 
        true
    } do {}; 
    systemChat "exited scope despite using true"; 
};

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The waitUntil version does not exit, but the while version does.

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Seems like they go out of their way to call the waitUntil code block inside a second scope.

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Which they never do anywhere else.

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So KK's code is still right, but since it works with no other command, I'd still avoid it.

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I'll ask dedmen, the C++ guy with the source tomorrow if he can figure out why waitUntil is special

dusk sage Jan 17, 2017, 1:54 AM

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I'd imagine you can't exit it due to the way it executes engine side

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With the rate at which it executes, etc

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 2:37 AM

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How is arma's code actually parsed @dusk sage ?

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is it just strings with regEx?

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that are performining instructions internal to C++ ?

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Why doesn't BI make this native to arma 3?

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https://github.com/intercept/intercept

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And make a C++ system thats sandboxed to the game?

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Also Dscha gets asked too many dumb questions.

woeful void Jan 17, 2017, 3:04 AM

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q: The side specific zeus missions has the other sides removed from the zeus interface so they can't be spawned. How do I replicate that effect in other missions?

lavish ocean Jan 17, 2017, 3:55 AM

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well @tough abyss as you can see the intercept sort of got went into stall (no progress(not enough contributors))

woeful void Jan 17, 2017, 4:20 AM

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Next q: Going from a class string to that class's faction, what is the easiest way to do this?

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{ if ( faction _x == "BLUE_F" ) then [[true]] else [[false]; } forEach _classes; // does NOT work, _x is a string, not object.

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help?

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 4:27 AM

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Commy always askin me stuff.. ugh...
Intercept is not Dead. It's stalled because Nou now has a new Job.. I am currently the only Dev semi-working on it that is really able to do Engine level stuff. But i got over a dozen other Projects that are higher on my Todo list.

lavish ocean Jan 17, 2017, 4:30 AM

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@still forum ye i know he is busy ... but what i mean is that it's surprising not more people joined it

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:30 AM

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I don't know enough sufficient to code in C++ to even consider contributing

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 4:30 AM

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Well the Range of people being able to do such level of stuff is kinda not big

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@woeful void

{ if ( (getText (configFile >> "cfgVehicles" >> _x >> "faction")) == "BLU_F" ) then [[true]] else [[false]; } forEach _classes;

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:32 AM

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Not only that people who know how to do C++ are actually in jobs doing it.

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@still forum

woeful void Jan 17, 2017, 4:32 AM

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@still forum Looks hacky as heck but.. if it works, I'm not going to argue. I'll try it now.

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 4:32 AM

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Theoretically.. There are a ton of Arma hackers.. All of the real hackers could actually do it.. Ask them why they don't. Even I learned all that stuff I am using on Intercept through Hacking

woeful void Jan 17, 2017, 4:33 AM

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I also need this to apply to Men and wepaons too. Will that cfgVehicles be a problem?

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 4:33 AM

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it will only work for Men

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I don't know if Weapons even have assigned factions

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:34 AM

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Do you know any details on how the ArmA 3's engines commands are actually parsed @still forum

woeful void Jan 17, 2017, 4:34 AM

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weappons, no.. but I got men, drones, choppers, hemmtt's... it looks like it works for all the faction specific stuff. Thanks.

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:34 AM

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For the sake of intellectual curiosity ?

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 4:36 AM

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@woeful void should work for everything inside CfgVehicles.. "should"

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Yeah i do why?

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:36 AM

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Are the scripting commands interpreted internally as function calls?

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 4:37 AM

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@little eagle exitWith is causing a "break" in script. The while loop has a special handler for break events which cause the while loop to go into the Done state -> Stops looping

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Uhm.. yeah.. you could say that

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Don't know what else they would be ^^

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:37 AM

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So what controls the pausing in the scheduler?

dusk sage Jan 17, 2017, 4:38 AM

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then [[true]] else [[false]; D:

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How is arma's code actually parsed @BoGuu ?
Idk, try asking Dedmen while he is here 😉

woeful void Jan 17, 2017, 4:38 AM

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I only did that because the bits inside the [[]]'s wern't relevant to the question.

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those are actually a bit longer then a simple bool each. 😃

dusk sage Jan 17, 2017, 4:38 AM

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Why doesn't BI make this native to arma 3?
That's like saying why don't they make their own game, native to their game, no 😉 ?

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 4:39 AM

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After every few instructions the game checks how long it has been executing scripts.. and if it's too long then it pauses execution till next frame... (from memory.. not quite right but close enough)

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:39 AM

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Is this being done single-threaded?

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or multi?

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 4:40 AM

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Because offering full C++ coding ability would open the door for a ton of possibly malicious mods.

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:40 AM

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No way to do what space-engineers did?

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Locked the NameSpace to control that?

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 4:41 AM

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With the extensions It's still kinda controlled... People can decide themselves if they wanna take the risk. If all scripts were fully capable C++ everyone would be forced to take the risk.. and BI can't do that.. Thats was also the argument with the Java thingy

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It's singlethreaded

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:41 AM

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Thats what they did in C# with SE it doesn't allow access to certain aspects of the entire .dll library

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purely because of that reason, they did however have to introduce an instruction counter

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 4:41 AM

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Arma is an old Engine.. It's not always easy to just "do stuff"

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:41 AM

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To prevent scripts locking up

dusk sage Jan 17, 2017, 4:42 AM

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You're talking about what I would imagine to be, total rewrite

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:42 AM

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Hmm, yeah not time feasible etc. I wonder if this increase in ram usage

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will cause more performance issues?

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Purely because of being 64bit ?

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 4:42 AM

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What? No.

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:43 AM

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Wouldn't make the singlethreaded aspect more pronounced?

dusk sage Jan 17, 2017, 4:43 AM

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o.O

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:43 AM

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Read something a while back about how RAM is allocated per core. And each core manages that RAM, in conjunction with the OS. Don't remember where it was.

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 4:44 AM

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Having more Ram the Engine can store more stuff in memory.. so instead of calculating stuff everytime do it once and store it.. For example Arma's String class doesn't have the length stored... They iterate the string to see where it ends. This was probably to save memory back then.. With 64Bit having more available could change that...

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:44 AM

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Ah so, the memory improvements will probably pave the way to more optimisation?

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 4:44 AM

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Ram is not allocated per core.... You're probably talking about cache... In short.. No 64Bit will not cause performance degredation

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exactly

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There might be minimalist uh.. "worsenings" (my english gud!) to performance... But only at a nanosecond scale... Nothing to care about

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:46 AM

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Interesting, on the note of dwarden pointing out that memory leak in badly written scripts. How does a person write "good scripts"?

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If you don't mind me asking?

dusk sage Jan 17, 2017, 4:47 AM

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Ones that don't leak

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Ones that work

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:47 AM

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How would you know they don't leak ?

dusk sage Jan 17, 2017, 4:47 AM

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It'll be quite obvious when you're causing a memory leak, unless it is a problem BI side of things

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In most cases you'd have to be quite explicit on writing bad code

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:47 AM

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Only way I generated a memory leak was this.

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_array append _sameArray;

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 4:48 AM

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Memory shouldn't be able to leak through scripts... Thats the a reason of implementing a engine controlled scripting system instead of allowing for example external c++ like we talked earlier. Everything is controlled Engine side.. They user shouldn't be able to do anything bad.. like leak memory or crash the game or anything

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:48 AM

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Well.

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I did discover a bug.

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Where I invoked one of the UI elements in game.

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And actually crashed the game.

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Which probably? Shouldn't have happened?

dusk sage Jan 17, 2017, 4:49 AM

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The term 'memory leak' in SQF is quite ambiguous

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People often associate running out of memory -> leak

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 4:49 AM

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The scripting system is very nice.. (except performance wise) It doesn't let the user do reaaaal bad stuff.
Yeah.. I also have a report on the Feedback tracker about a sqf bug that can reproducibly crash the game. Bugs happen

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:49 AM

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@dusk sage It complained about the array being too big and exceeded the limit and kept spamming virtual memory page errors

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 4:50 AM

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Well.. It's your fault if you make an array so big that you run out of memory....

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:50 AM

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It was my fault I understood that.

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But it was so easy to do thats the problem

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Putting append in place of pushBack.

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 4:51 AM

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Like I said a perfect scripting engine shouldn't allow users scripts to influence the engine so far that it would crash... But nothing is perfect. SQF is close... But still far off (yes! that makes sense!)

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:52 AM

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Should this bug I discovered be reported?

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 4:53 AM

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Well... Filling an array till you run out of memory... Uhm... no.. not really... Report to yourself for not having enough memory

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:53 AM

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Not that one

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This one.

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/*
    Author: Karel Moricky

    Description:
    Shut downs the game.

    Parameter(s):
    NOTHING

    Returns:
    NOTHING
*/

//--- Open options menu (forces to return to main menu)
ctrlactivate ((finddisplay 0) displayctrl 102);

//--- Close options menu
(finddisplay 3) closedisplay 2;

//--- Activate exit button
ctrlactivate ((finddisplay 0) displayctrl 106);

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 4:53 AM

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oh.

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yeah sure

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:53 AM

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If you access that in a manner without ctrlActivate

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It actually made the game hang

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 4:54 AM

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My crashing script report got ignored so far... And i understand it not being high priority... Your code crashes the game.. so what? Either don't use it.. Or you want to crash on purpose. But BIS should have it on their Feedback Tracker for the day they decide to fix all that stuff

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:55 AM

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But this is a Bi internal thing

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Related to directly invoking the UI elements

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something the engine does on it's own

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If I can crash it?

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Can the engine not do the same?

dusk sage Jan 17, 2017, 4:56 AM

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The amount of ways you can crash a server with SQF is amazing

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 4:56 AM

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Does the engine crash itself? No it doesn't. That issue only happens if you semi-consiously cause it so... Not important

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@woeful void btw please don't ask the same questions in multiple rooms if you don't get an answer after a few minutes... Some people only check discord every half hour or so

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:57 AM

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How do you debug @dusk sage diag_log format ?

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and diag_log ?

dusk sage Jan 17, 2017, 4:58 AM

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That's a bit general, it would depend what I'm doing

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I use diag_log a lot though, yes

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😛

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I saw one the other day, openDLCPage on the server

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🤦

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 4:59 AM

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~~Hacker?~~ script kiddie

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@dusk sage

dusk sage Jan 17, 2017, 5:00 AM

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yeh

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 5:00 AM

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Easiest way to crash a server

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is to flood the scheduler

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With non-sense threads that do nothing.

woeful void Jan 17, 2017, 5:01 AM

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WOOT, got exatly what I wanted, where a faction (not sided) zeus only has access to his own faction stuff (and no story or VR units): ```
z_west_nato addEventHandler [
"CuratorObjectRegistered",
{
_classes = _this select 1;
_costs = [];
{
_cost = if (
((getText (configFile >> "cfgVehicles" >> _x >> "faction")) == "BLU_F")
and ((getText (configFile >> "cfgVehicles" >> _x >> "vehicleClass")) != "MenVR")
and ((getText (configFile >> "cfgVehicles" >> _x >> "editorSubCategory")) != "EdSubcat_Personnel_Story")
) then {[true,0.1]} else {[false,0]};
_costs = _costs + [_cost];
} forEach _classes; // Go through all classes and assign cost for each of them
_costs
}
];

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Thank you for the help

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Now all I need to do is preserve the original costs now....

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 5:02 AM

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Still quite annoying all we have for debugging is diag_log

dusk sage Jan 17, 2017, 5:03 AM

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Easiest way to crash a server is to flood the scheduler
Or just use one command 😛

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 5:03 AM

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I thought the server would intercept certain commands?

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E.g OpenDLCPage

dusk sage Jan 17, 2017, 5:03 AM

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'intercept'?

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 5:03 AM

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Is something that should be CS locked

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Not allowed to be run on the server-side?

dusk sage Jan 17, 2017, 5:03 AM

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Well they shouldn't be able to no

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Not end user* side though

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 5:06 AM

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To debugging... diag_log, systemChat, diag_captureFrame Is all I need.

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 5:09 AM

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Hey @dusk sage Do you use this ever?

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/try

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/catch

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/throw

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?

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Wait.

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I wonder if thats better than exitWith O_o

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Ohhh it got a syntax update a while ago.

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So it's not obsolete.

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You could use a try catch throw in place of an exitWith?

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yes?

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Instead of exiting with simple try { condition then put the catch at the bottom bypassing all the returns etc } ?

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Yep.

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It appears to work.

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@dusk sage Have you ever used try catch and throw?

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It seems like you can bypass completely evaluating an entire block of code using it.

dusk sage Jan 17, 2017, 5:36 AM

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I have a couple of times

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It's just syntax sugar though

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And does not represent a 'normal' try catch

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Well, sort of, but won't help with anything internally

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 6:06 AM

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Would it work in place of exitWith ?

woeful void Jan 17, 2017, 6:28 AM

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"BIS_fnc_exportCuratorCostTable" is supposed to paste the text into the clipboard, but I am not seeing it when I ctrl-v into excel. Is there a step I am missing here? [_classes, "xls"] spawn bis_fnc_exportCuratorCostTable; Re: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/BIS_fnc_exportCuratorCostTable

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 6:29 AM

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Are you in MP while executing that?

woeful void Jan 17, 2017, 6:30 AM

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SIngle player, but I'll try it in MP now.

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 6:30 AM

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no.. copyToClipboard doesn't work in MP

woeful void Jan 17, 2017, 6:31 AM

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ok, so I was in the right mode then.

woeful void Jan 17, 2017, 6:49 AM

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Just to make sure I understand the event model correctly... when someone does a radio message that a trigger is wired to (Radio Alpha), every client connected to the game is notified of that radio event so they'll run the trigger's On Activation event locally? or is it only executed on the server?

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 6:49 AM

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Triggers are evaluated globally by default

woeful void Jan 17, 2017, 6:49 AM

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so all clients and server as well then?

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 6:49 AM

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Only if you "tick the Server" box will it be evaluated server-side only

woeful void Jan 17, 2017, 6:49 AM

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ok. That makes sense, thank you.

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 6:50 AM

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If you are dynamically creating them

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you just set the global false in the createTrigger

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/createTrigger

woeful void Jan 17, 2017, 6:50 AM

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ok, so createTrigger handles it's own client notification then... alright.

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Far nicer than other languages I've had to work with.

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 6:50 AM

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Depends

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What commands are you using?

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Each command often has it's own locality restrictions.,

woeful void Jan 17, 2017, 6:51 AM

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Just for testing: {(leader _x) sideChat "GO!"} forEach allGroups;

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something stupid simple just to get a message as feedback.

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and a little earthquake rumbling.

round trout Jan 17, 2017, 8:22 AM

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Slowly progressing on my little script to get other AIs assist with a AI if he's engaged. Like Upsmon basically.. But more tailored for what I really need.
http://pastebin.com/zxzLLRLB
http://i.imgur.com/L0IrIN9.png

findNearby isn't done, as I am aware if group nearby was tasked in a area to patrol they will not return. For now I rather optimize what I have and improve important parts before working further with other functions i.e firednearby etc.

My question is:
Is there a better way finding nearby friendlies? If so how? Or how would you do it in a way to be much optimized and good code?

digital pulsar Jan 17, 2017, 10:59 AM

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One approach is allUnits select {_x distance yourAIGuy < 1000}

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Ofc another conditions like side also go into {}

round trout Jan 17, 2017, 11:01 AM

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So allUnits is better than nearestobjects?

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Yeah Foley, I do that check in my part.

digital pulsar Jan 17, 2017, 11:01 AM

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Try the diag tool in console to see what works best in your case

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I dont say its better

round trout Jan 17, 2017, 11:02 AM

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Okay, I will do that. Reason why I ask is that is because we are a quite large community

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40 players on each mission and I want to have the code so clean and optimized as possible..

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For example this is how I do it:

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_nearestunits = nearestObjects [getpos _unit ,["Man"], 1000];
_nearestfriendlies = [];

if(_side countSide _nearestunits > 0) then{
{
_a = _x;
if((side _a == _side) && (group _a != group _unit) && !(behaviour leader (group _a) isEqualTo "COMBAT")) then{
_nearestfriendlies = _nearestfriendlies + [_a];
[group _a, getpos _shooter, 100] call CBA_fnc_taskAttack;
};
} foreach _nearestunits;
};

digital pulsar Jan 17, 2017, 11:02 AM

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Loads more objects than 40 on the map

round trout Jan 17, 2017, 11:03 AM

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Haha well I want to avoid zeusing missions constantly cause I want to play.. And before UPSMON was perfect when we were 15 guys

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Now bigger we are, more performance hit we get with UPSMON

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So we decided to write our own.

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Utilizing FSM also

digital pulsar Jan 17, 2017, 11:04 AM

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Also pushBack instead of adding arrays

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Always better performance

round trout Jan 17, 2017, 11:05 AM

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Yeah thinking about doing this way -> I do findNearby - I store all nearunits in a array.

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Then I call the function to task attack

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And select few members out of that array

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And task them cba_fnc

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Just want to write it clean as possible to avoid performance hit

digital pulsar Jan 17, 2017, 11:06 AM

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No need to count before foreach

round trout Jan 17, 2017, 11:06 AM

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Oh don't worry the count is just for debugging

digital pulsar Jan 17, 2017, 11:06 AM

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If empty it will get skipped

round trout Jan 17, 2017, 11:07 AM

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Well quiksilver problem is we are already experiencing people getting kicked out cause of steam ticket null (memory leak) every 10 minutes..

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We do have a heavily modified modpack we do ourselves but also using ACRE and ACE

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Me and the other developer are programmers IRL and computer scientist guys

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Yeah, i7

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SSD

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FIBER 100MB up and down, datacenter switches

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Speedtest gives us approx upload to.. 50MB

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Let me re test two secs

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We got 3HC

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headless clients running

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Shit tons of ram but that doesn't matter since arma doesn't use half of it.

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 11:10 AM

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Agreed.

round trout Jan 17, 2017, 11:10 AM

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23:35:07 > Player Pte.Chase.J kicked off, Steam ticket check failed: Steam authentication failed.

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battleeye disabled

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RPT and client files shows nothing more than some usual errors that's arma related

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http://www.speedtest.net/result/5974002491.png

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Yeah our speed as been increased.

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 11:12 AM

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I don't think your issue is hardware related.

round trout Jan 17, 2017, 11:13 AM

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verifySignatures = 2;

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 11:13 AM

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If that's what he was saying lol

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Have you optimized your basic.cfg?

round trout Jan 17, 2017, 11:15 AM

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Nothing to do with my basic.cfg - ran with both modified and unmodified

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Same affect.

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People just simply CTD every 10-15 min (Not everyone just one or two person at time)

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Not everyone, just 1 or 2.

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So lets say you crash quik. You rejoin then 20min later someone else crash

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etc

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Different

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 11:16 AM

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Try a simple mission. See if it persists.

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Then you know it is /isn't mission related

round trout Jan 17, 2017, 11:17 AM

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We are debugging ACRE as they run a masteridcheck and noticed few people crash at the same time.

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 11:18 AM

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Mods are fun to work with too lol. Have fun

round trout Jan 17, 2017, 11:18 AM

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Yeah? Where do you recommend start adding them, just in our mods?

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Well that is because they CTD

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So that shows up when they CTD

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Yeah that is what we think it is.

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We got nooo freaking clue where

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Our HC have never actually crashed

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funny thing

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HCs **

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Haha yeah problem is.. SideOps we have only like 25 people and it barely happen.

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And if it happened it would take hour(s)

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While in a main op, we have 40 people

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It goes mad.

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What I probably will do is debug the main op on my end only.

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And host.

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See what happens and see what I can do.

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Its something Idk.. My other partner tells me its ArmA

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And maybe some old mods.

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So we are going to CUP to see if that will help it and remove older mods.

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Yeah well we noticed one thing

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If shit isn't optimized

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This shit keeps happening

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Hence removal of upsmon

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Well I'm frustrated..

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I can't make a active mission for 40 people cause anything above 60 ai

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people drop like flies

digital pulsar Jan 17, 2017, 11:29 AM

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U use mods?

round trout Jan 17, 2017, 11:29 AM

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Yeah, ACE ACRE Maps (CUP) 3CB and our modified version(s)

digital pulsar Jan 17, 2017, 11:29 AM

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Myeah u can always blame those

round trout Jan 17, 2017, 11:29 AM

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We also have our custom scripts as addon(s)

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My hardware health is green, its from my own company lol (HPE)

digital pulsar Jan 17, 2017, 11:30 AM

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See if the problem persists in vanilla

median iris Jan 17, 2017, 11:30 AM

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You ever try headless client my dude?

round trout Jan 17, 2017, 11:31 AM

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Again, I can't really run vanilla here guys for 40 people.

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For 10 people sure but then issue will not happen

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even with mods.

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Is headless really that unstable? My network performance should handle it.

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So should my threading

median iris Jan 17, 2017, 11:33 AM

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Dont use HT on dedicated servers on x32 it will just re-thread the main thread more of a client improvment and should be implmented client side, anyone else do that testng yet?

round trout Jan 17, 2017, 11:33 AM

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I'm on 64 bits

median iris Jan 17, 2017, 11:33 AM

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Oh sweet sauce nevermind

round trout Jan 17, 2017, 11:38 AM

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Alrighty, plan set .. still finish my tasking system for AI being engaged etc

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Use perf branch for dedi server

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Make a separate addon for me and my friend for debugging purpose and for the server.

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Re do basic.cfg

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And pray..

round trout Jan 17, 2017, 11:58 AM

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lol maybe actually noticed the culprit

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Still doesn't explain CTD

meager granite Jan 17, 2017, 1:08 PM

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What's with AI behaviour lately? I'm constantly having my patrolling AI go into random directions.

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I thought they were fleeing somehow but I had allowFleeing off.

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I never really worked with AI, Wasteland just has group that moves around objective through 4 move waypoints and that's it

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Which didn't change since like 2012 when I started making Wasteland but now they suddenly wander off under unknown reason

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Hm, yeah AI following target sounds like explanation

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All my attempts to repro it in closed environment failed though, only seem to happen on populated server with lots of players everywhere around AI group

lavish ocean Jan 17, 2017, 1:44 PM

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ok, here is script-code what caused known memory leak / overloaded netlayer and lead to server freeze / stall later

[] spawn {
  while {true} do {
    if (!isNull objectParent player) then {
      detach player;
    };   }; };

and this was workaround script-code attempt to address it (no more leak/perf issues nor crash)

[] spawn {
  while {true} do {
    if (!isNull objectParent player) then {
      if (!isNull attachedTo player) then {detach player};
    };  }; };

since new Profiling branch 1.66.139995 (and it's performance binaries) in #perf_prof_branch
this is covered and FIXED at low-level within engine itself, to prevent leak, stop performance/netcode issues etc.
yet,
please take look into your script code for similar cases of 'weird' script-code related to different commands as issues may still exist

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round trout Jan 17, 2017, 1:48 PM

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Oh , sweet. Thanks.

lavish ocean Jan 17, 2017, 1:57 PM

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similar bug may exist for different command, hence i share it so creative community can take look and help narrow it down ...

meager granite Jan 17, 2017, 1:58 PM

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Why would someone detach player if it has no parent object? 🤔

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objectParent doesn't even return object you're attached to

meager granite Jan 17, 2017, 2:50 PM

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Players are on foot most of the time

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I'll see about courage

round trout Jan 17, 2017, 2:55 PM

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by the way arma 3 tools, only through steam? I want to start on FSM

meager granite Jan 17, 2017, 2:56 PM

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No wonder it is causing issues

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They execute detach tens of times per frame

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Its script fault, not command fault

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I wish detach would get logged just like attachTo by BE

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No, I mean if it was they would instantly understand what's going on

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with all this pointless detach spam their script is causing

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Well if you RE'd into server you could do much worse stuff anyway

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Actually would BE should really log is moveOut messages

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You could crash server with single command just recently

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"access" createVehicleLocal [0,0,0]

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try from another position?

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did you make civilians your enemy by any chance?

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if you make civilians enemy you can't enter or loot any empty vehicles

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as they belong to civilian side

thin pine Jan 17, 2017, 3:13 PM

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be sure to check out ArmA's new handShit command https://i.gyazo.com/e61a24b69c83904f2a826985fd328d8a.png

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😄

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Allows you to set the amount of shit on an unit's hands, for decreased accuracy actually

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😄

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:19 PM

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Can't you just crash a server with this anyway?
isNil {_a = {call _a}; call _a};

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No need to get fancy

meager granite Jan 17, 2017, 3:20 PM

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it will freeze the server, not crash 🤔

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:20 PM

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Does it make a difference? I'm sure it crashes eventually

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Freeze

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Permanent.

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 3:28 PM

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I'll sure add that to my script collection... combined with my execOnSteamID script that will sure be useful :3

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:31 PM

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I thought this already was a staple.

round trout Jan 17, 2017, 3:32 PM

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lol can it cause CTD?

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:32 PM

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No, freeze.

round trout Jan 17, 2017, 3:33 PM

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aw

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but works same

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thats good

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:33 PM

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There are tons of ways to crash the game. I won't tell you though, because you sound shady!

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Dedmen, since when are you unbanned here?

round trout Jan 17, 2017, 3:34 PM

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fair enough, im trying to find solution(s) for my CTDs lol

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:34 PM

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Still selling TS exploits? ;^)

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Probably out of memory, Alwandy. Known problem. I think lowering texture size helps.

round trout Jan 17, 2017, 3:37 PM

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Well it is out of memory but trying to prevent this happening in possible ways from a mission making perspective.. Until we get rid of our mods that we believe causes some of this texturing thing.

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Dwarden provided a nice perf branch so lets see

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if it works

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Tiny bit atleast 😄

lavish ocean Jan 17, 2017, 3:38 PM

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@little eagle well @still forum is on probation, i gave him 2nd chance 😉

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 3:38 PM

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Unbanned since yesterday. And i never sold Teamspeak exploits... I make some of them... that may be true.. but i don't get any money for it

lavish ocean Jan 17, 2017, 3:39 PM

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is now sure @still forum now feels all the invisible eyes watching him hidden in the internet jungle around

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 3:39 PM

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So... commy.. you just now noticing I'm back tells me you didn't read my stuff about why while gets killed with exitWith {true}

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:40 PM

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Didn't notice

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My question was though, why it does not kill waitUntil

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As every other loop is exited by exitWith too

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apply

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count

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select

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for

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 3:42 PM

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ouh... uhm.... yes... it.. eh.... Because

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:42 PM

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It also doesn't support return values of event handlers, so more evidence that it doesn't end the scope with it's return value, but exits it.

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You're turning into @queen cargo with all these ellipses.

queen cargo Jan 17, 2017, 3:44 PM

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someone summoned me?

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:44 PM

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Not really, you can go now.

jade abyss Jan 17, 2017, 3:44 PM

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😄

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:44 PM

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Seems to me like waitUntil and exitWith have a special interaction which is not present for other loops.

queen cargo Jan 17, 2017, 3:45 PM

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but to answer your question: waitUntil is a special case and it has nothing to do with exitWith

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same should happen with breakOut and scopeName in waitUntil

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:45 PM

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That is a good test case.

queen cargo Jan 17, 2017, 3:45 PM

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waitUntil simply will wait until you either leave that scope explicitly or the condition is reached (including the 10k limit)

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exitWith will just instantly leave the current scope at given spot

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--> it is like you just ended there

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:46 PM

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I don't think waitUntil has a 10k limit. That only applies to while in unscheduled environment

queen cargo Jan 17, 2017, 3:47 PM

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waitUntil should also have some limit if i remember correctly
but does not really matters 😛 reasoning will stay the same

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:48 PM

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waitUntil is not really interesting to me anyway since I won't be able to use it ever anyway. But it would be nice to have a one code block loop in unscheduled that is not a ugly for-step-0-do.

queen cargo Jan 17, 2017, 3:48 PM

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in general though ... should be a bug even if it was implemented like that intentionally most likely

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:49 PM

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It violates the behavior of all other loops and is not documented, so feature-bug

queen cargo Jan 17, 2017, 3:49 PM

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waitUntil is essentially not a loop

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using it as such is not how that command was intended

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:49 PM

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I think it should be avoided as it can lead to problems when you substitute the loop with another command.

jade abyss Jan 17, 2017, 3:49 PM

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since I won't be able to use it ever anyway <-?

waitUntil{sleep 1; False}; <- why not? Came in pretty handy

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:50 PM

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Nice way to lock up a scheduled script I guess?

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Put it in postInit. Will break every other mod or mission that comes after your function in CfgFunctions.

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...

jade abyss Jan 17, 2017, 3:52 PM

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who the f would use it there? You always pick the worst possible scenarios oO

meager granite Jan 17, 2017, 3:52 PM

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What's the deal with waitUntil and exitWith again? I am very curious.

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:52 PM

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MCC does

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And so does Alive in 3den

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

jade abyss Jan 17, 2017, 3:52 PM

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Oh my

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:53 PM

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exitWith does not quit the waitUntil code block, but actually substitutes it's return value with the one that ends or continues the waitUntil block

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exitWith does quit every other loop regardless of the expected return value, like the condition block in while-do

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Apparently the same is true for breakOut, so it's not really a special property of exitWith, but waitUntil

queen cargo Jan 17, 2017, 3:54 PM

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as i said: you understand WaitUntil as loop

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thats the false perception here 😛

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:55 PM

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It is though

meager granite Jan 17, 2017, 3:55 PM

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Interesting

queen cargo Jan 17, 2017, 3:55 PM

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it is just the function that is called frequent

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it is not an actual loop in its "design" but you somehow have to recheck the condition

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:55 PM

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I had some code examples illustrating the difference

meager granite Jan 17, 2017, 3:56 PM

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I think I heard about it before but I barely use scheduled threads anymore to really encounter it in real scenario

queen cargo Jan 17, 2017, 3:56 PM

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though ... you should avoid exitWith in most cases anyway

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:56 PM

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0 spawn {
    waitUntil {
        if (true) exitWith {false};
        false 
    };
    systemChat "exited scope despite using false";
};

0 spawn { 
    while { 
        if (true) exitWith {true}; 
        true
    } do {}; 
    systemChat "exited scope despite using true"; 
};

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Both scheduled

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First one does not print, but loops forever

queen cargo Jan 17, 2017, 3:57 PM

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second is a bug

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:57 PM

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the second one does print

queen cargo Jan 17, 2017, 3:57 PM

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while {shouldnotexit} do {}

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or the waitUntil

jade abyss Jan 17, 2017, 3:57 PM

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Wait, the first doesnt exit?

queen cargo Jan 17, 2017, 3:57 PM

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it is for BI to decide

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:57 PM

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The first one doesn't

jade abyss Jan 17, 2017, 3:57 PM

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Okay, thats strange.

queen cargo Jan 17, 2017, 3:58 PM

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no thats obvious

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:58 PM

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well it would if you report true instead of false

queen cargo Jan 17, 2017, 3:58 PM

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exactly
and that is what the second should do too

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:58 PM

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X39, it's not so obvious when every other loop does the same thing

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count

jade abyss Jan 17, 2017, 3:58 PM

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2nd : Of course, While()true + exitWith worked since.. idk. forever like that.

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:58 PM

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apply

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select

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for

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forEach

queen cargo Jan 17, 2017, 3:58 PM

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while & waitUntil are no loops

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Spinlocks are also no loops

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they just loop your condition over and over again

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until they return true

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it is how they work

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 3:59 PM

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they just loop your condition over and over again
/shrug so they're loops

queen cargo Jan 17, 2017, 3:59 PM

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waitUntil is essentially:
while {true} do {if (call _condition) exitWith {};};

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there is an "over" missing

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 4:00 PM

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No it's not. The gimmick of waitUntil is to only loop once every frame

queen cargo Jan 17, 2017, 4:00 PM

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... waitUntil is a spinlock ...

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 4:00 PM

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Semantics

queen cargo Jan 17, 2017, 4:00 PM

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not only semantics

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a pretty damn essential difference

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 4:01 PM

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yawn

queen cargo Jan 17, 2017, 4:01 PM

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spin locks should not exit until their condition is met

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thus that while {exitwith} is exiting the loop

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is a bug

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not that waitUntil is

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frameLoop is not existing

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the spinLock waitUntil is

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but as you wont believe me anyway as always ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinlock
In software engineering, a spinlock is a lock which causes a thread trying to acquire it to simply wait in a loop ("spin") while repeatedly checking if the lock is available.

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 4:03 PM

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to simply wait in a loop

queen cargo Jan 17, 2017, 4:03 PM

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and i already told you how the actual SQF code would look like ...

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do you even read what i fucking write?!

meager granite Jan 17, 2017, 4:03 PM

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I don't think spinlock is applicable term here

queen cargo Jan 17, 2017, 4:03 PM

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loop != inside loop

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it is the closest that you can get for it as far as i know

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it is simply looping over the condition
and that is where the essential difference is

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 5:08 PM

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If you're really worried about this

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And you need to compile that string badly

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Why not do this:

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"if (true) exitWith {};" + _string

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And then:
_string = _string select [20];

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Idk if that works in your context

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20 is how long that exitWith string is

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didn't count, you have to insert the correct number

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22

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How would that even work

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hmm

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I don't think it's possible to tell if a marker is SQF without running it. And then it's too late

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You can write code without semi colons

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just use commas

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try it

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you will be surprised...

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But yeah. Good idea. Ban all markers with semi-colons

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No one uses these in sentences anyway, besides me and I don't play whatever you're working for

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/ban

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how do they even execute stuff on the server?

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on the server???

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onLoad never fires on the server

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there are no displays on a dedi

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remoteExec ?

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true, but the best way would be to prevent them from executing stuff on the server in the first place

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Can you getText the onLoad of the rscdisplaychat thing?

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kick em if it's edited

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check it twice a second

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Do you even need markers for you missions?

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Just disable them if they cause problems

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No, scrape them entirely

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right, by command

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I think you should figure out how they execute anything on the server in the first place.

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That seems like a more worthwhile endeavor as that could stop other exploits

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Isn't this what BE is for though?

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 5:40 PM

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New SQF command proposal. localUnits. Same as allUnits but only returns local ones. I know that waiting for that to be implemented would get me a nice beard.

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 5:40 PM

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binary createUnit and addMPEventHandler should be nuked though.

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Just use select, dedmen : P

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 5:41 PM

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AllUnits select {local _x}
every few frames in MP with hundreds of AI's running around.. uh.. no

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 5:41 PM

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They didn't care for that when they changed all weapon sound configs

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dedmen, just use it on the groups then

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for AI

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they're all local to the group leaders machine

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unless they are players

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 5:42 PM

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AI PFH script. ACE.

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 5:43 PM

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I mean

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You could just add local event handlers to the units and keep your own list updated

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If it's only for soldiers, it should be fine

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 5:57 PM

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ace medical_ai ... Tells AI to heal themselves and heal nearbly hurt players. should only run on local AI's for sure.. thats why it's currently using allUnits select {local _x}

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 5:59 PM

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// preInit
CBA_localUnits = [];

["CAManBase", "init", {
    params ["_unit"];

    if (local _unit) then {
        CBA_localUnits pushBack _unit;
    };
}] call CBA_fnc_addClassEventHandler;

["CAManBase", "local", {
    params ["_unit", "_local"];

    if (_local) then {
        CBA_localUnits pushBack _unit;
    } else {
        CBA_localUnits deleteAt (CBA_localUnits find _unit);
    };
}] call CBA_fnc_addClassEventHandler;

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This is the solution, now use it.

still forum Jan 17, 2017, 6:02 PM

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It's ACE code not mine ^^

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 6:03 PM

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Make a PR

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It's OS, it belongs to everyone

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basically

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 9:57 PM

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@little eagle I want BI to remove select

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and replace it with a less verbose version

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replace _array select _something

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with _array[0]

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slice syntax would be nice.

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and easier on the eyes.'

dusk sage Jan 17, 2017, 9:58 PM

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We talked about that the other day

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 9:58 PM

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OK, but you don't have to ping me for that. Nothing I can do about that.

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 9:58 PM

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Just want your opinion on that.

dusk sage Jan 17, 2017, 9:58 PM

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I don't think anyone would be upset with a faster select

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 9:59 PM

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It's just so dirty and verbose.

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select

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And SQF is close to C why not do that.

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 9:59 PM

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I like dirty, but too much talking does take away from the experience.

dusk sage Jan 17, 2017, 9:59 PM

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SQF is not close to C

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 10:00 PM

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It uses the same preprocessor directives as C @dusk sage

dusk sage Jan 17, 2017, 10:00 PM

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Similar yes, close? No

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 10:00 PM

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#include
#ifdef
#define

dusk sage Jan 17, 2017, 10:00 PM

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Just beacuse it uses similar style, doesn't make it at all like C

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 10:00 PM

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etc

dusk sage Jan 17, 2017, 10:00 PM

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It's more like javascript than C, and that's saying something

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 10:00 PM

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Everything that is not assembly is C++ like. We went over this already.

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 10:00 PM

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Code wise? No definitely no C

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Syntax

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Yes. In someways.

dusk sage Jan 17, 2017, 10:01 PM

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Everything that is not assembly is C++ like

jade abyss Jan 17, 2017, 10:01 PM

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Does it matter?

dusk sage Jan 17, 2017, 10:01 PM

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💤

little eagle Jan 17, 2017, 10:01 PM

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Hahaha.

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 10:02 PM

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Nah SQF is closer to C than it is C++ only in syntax, but SQF is really a bastardisation between PHP (forEach), C, and JavaScript

jade abyss Jan 17, 2017, 10:02 PM

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"Does it matter?"

tough abyss Jan 17, 2017, 10:02 PM

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Depends.