#arma3_model | ARMA | Page 157

stuck oyster Sep 23, 2020, 10:17 PM

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depends totally on your technique

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if youre not familiar with it, it wont help you at all before you learn how to do it

wraith nebula Sep 23, 2020, 10:20 PM

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If you are talking about traditional box/edge modeling then a tablet wont help much in my opinion, you can be more accurate with a mouse. If you are looking to get into sculpting then yes it can be helpful since pen pressure adds alot to the ability to sculp. If you are new to modeling i'd say hold off until you are more familiar with the workflow. Regarding the tablet itself if you want to start scupting then the more levels of pressure sensitivity the better. I find 512 levels to be not sensitive enough so id shoot for 1024 or higher.

stoic blaze Sep 23, 2020, 11:43 PM

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I got a H640P for a great price off Amazon. I'm looking to do a lot of sculpting creating creatures in the future.
Thank you for your help.

ivory grove Sep 24, 2020, 2:52 PM

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I've been making a bt5 model for arma and when i import it into arma parts of it are missing/inverted, but i can see them when i look from the opposite side. These missing parts also dont show in bulldozer.
I'm very new to 3d modelling so it might be some basic mistake
View in blender: https://imgur.com/a/2MhLtpV
View in game: https://imgur.com/a/H5gW543
Any help would be appreciated

quick terrace Sep 24, 2020, 3:03 PM

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pretty sure the same parts are inverted in blender as well

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google backface culling for blender

formal peak Sep 24, 2020, 3:18 PM

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in Blender - Viewport Overlays - check Face Orientation.
Red = inwards - Blue = outward facing.

ivory grove Sep 24, 2020, 3:26 PM

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Yep, i checked the face orientation and they are inverted in blender, thanks for the help.

quick terrace Sep 24, 2020, 3:57 PM

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it is ideal to work with backface culling on when possible too

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for anything game related

muted prairie Sep 24, 2020, 4:36 PM

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is it possible to specify an exact coordinate to move a vertex to for LandContact LODs in OB? or am I doomed to move my vertices by eye using 3D transform?

stuck oyster Sep 24, 2020, 4:53 PM

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you can use the 3D pin

polar fiber Sep 24, 2020, 4:55 PM

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If you want specific coordinates you can select the vert, Shift+E and enter new X, Y, Z coords

stuck oyster Sep 24, 2020, 4:56 PM

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oh true theres that xD

polar fiber Sep 24, 2020, 4:56 PM

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If you want to move them by a discrete amount, there's a Move Points tool to enter X, Y, Z offset in the toolball (looks like a yellow cube)

stuck oyster Sep 24, 2020, 4:56 PM

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also you can define movement grid distance if you like

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polar fiber Sep 24, 2020, 4:58 PM

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If you want to snap align verts you can lock movement in a current viewport to X or Y axis and R-click drag a vert while the pin tool is selects, it will snap to the vertex you drag it to

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Or place a pin with C, activate with Shift+C and scale 0 in the Scale Points tool (also a yellow cube in the toolbar)

muted prairie Sep 24, 2020, 4:59 PM

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useful stuff, thanks. will make my OCD easier to make sure those vertices are perfectly placed 😛

stuck oyster Sep 24, 2020, 5:00 PM

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also there is snap to plane tool on P

cerulean lake Sep 24, 2020, 8:20 PM

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non

split lotus Sep 25, 2020, 7:09 AM

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Kind of a basic question:
is 900k polys a lot for a vest?

median bough Sep 25, 2020, 7:13 AM

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https://i.imgflip.com/4g81ep.jpg

quick terrace Sep 25, 2020, 7:22 AM

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Kind of a basic question:
is 900k polys a lot for a vest?
@split lotus you serious though?

median bough Sep 25, 2020, 7:23 AM

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i'm not quite in the loop, but i think 8-12k seams reasonable, right?

split lotus Sep 25, 2020, 7:30 AM

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@split lotus you serious though?
@quick terrace Yeah, someone in our local forum made a mod and he actually just bought a high poly vest model and put that in the game

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I was facepalming so hard

My friend did an engineering model of a tank that was 1.5mil polys (CATIA) my PC almost burned trying to render it in Cinema 4D

quick terrace Sep 25, 2020, 7:32 AM

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weird, most of my work scenes are well in excess of 20mil polies, and usually some 100mil proxies

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in any case he can use that hp model he bought to bake

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so not all went out the window

split lotus Sep 25, 2020, 7:33 AM

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Yeah I know of that from some vids I watched on how game devs make the models (I think it was Tarkov)

quick terrace Sep 25, 2020, 7:33 AM

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but i don’t even think 900k is possible to import in ob anyways

split lotus Sep 25, 2020, 7:34 AM

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It's in game

quick terrace Sep 25, 2020, 7:34 AM

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can i get a screen?

split lotus Sep 25, 2020, 7:34 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/211178768436428800/718855990975660093/unknown.png

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https://i.imagesup.co/images2/39dd96897c1bf3e31373a5d17b543c12bbdf1b5e.png

quick terrace Sep 25, 2020, 7:35 AM

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weird, you sure is 900k?

split lotus Sep 25, 2020, 7:35 AM

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That's what the model page says

quick terrace Sep 25, 2020, 7:36 AM

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ok fair enough

split lotus Sep 25, 2020, 7:36 AM

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https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/military/armor/bulletproof-vest-backpack

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As you can see here ☝️

quick terrace Sep 25, 2020, 7:37 AM

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yeah, seen

split lotus Sep 25, 2020, 7:37 AM

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I can't stand it that people waste their money instead of their time on models but whatever

quick terrace Sep 25, 2020, 7:37 AM

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most vest in a3 are around 3-7k verts irc

split lotus Sep 25, 2020, 7:37 AM

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makes sense, I can imagine the fps tax from that

quick terrace Sep 25, 2020, 7:38 AM

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it’s fine, i don’t mind it, but usually it’s not worth the extra time you need to spend to get that game ready

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i hate working on other people’s stuff most times

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poligons are easiest to render these days

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engine agnostic

split lotus Sep 25, 2020, 7:39 AM

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True, but Arma is still pretty old imo

quick terrace Sep 25, 2020, 7:39 AM

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that said, 90k is the most detailed vanilla model

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which is afaik the stealth uh60

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900k verts is not game ready

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maybe for unreal5, but even so, that’s a year away

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anyways, i didn’t think that would be possible for a3, i just been proved wrong

split lotus Sep 25, 2020, 7:41 AM

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I think they still use some form of optimization or a "magic trick"

quick terrace Sep 25, 2020, 7:41 AM

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yeah, that happens at engine level

split lotus Sep 25, 2020, 7:41 AM

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anyways, i didn’t think that would be possible for a3, i just been proved wrong
There's no limits to stupidity

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or ignorance, in that case

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anyway thx for the info

maybe one day I'll import my friend's tank into Arma 🙂

quick terrace Sep 25, 2020, 7:43 AM

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if that is a cad model

split lotus Sep 25, 2020, 7:43 AM

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Catia model

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/281891662903377930/447508841681125386/tank_2.png?width=1606&height=904

quick terrace Sep 25, 2020, 7:43 AM

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so nurbs sort of model

split lotus Sep 25, 2020, 7:43 AM

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Probably

quick terrace Sep 25, 2020, 7:43 AM

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you can export it to lower detail level

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and clean it up a bit

split lotus Sep 25, 2020, 7:43 AM

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It's 531MB when exporting to 3ds

quick terrace Sep 25, 2020, 7:44 AM

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and the higher level export can be used as hp mesh

split lotus Sep 25, 2020, 7:44 AM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/318158873594822666/447456282039812096/unknown.png

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even has highly detailed A/C

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and all the bolts and nuts

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everything is models so no wonder it's 1.5mil polys

quick terrace Sep 25, 2020, 7:44 AM

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yeah haven’t used catia as in never, bit did use both solidworks and fusion

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1.5mil is not even that large for a hp model

split lotus Sep 25, 2020, 7:45 AM

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Now he's actually using Alias because he's a automotive designer

quick terrace Sep 25, 2020, 7:45 AM

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my m17 hp model is 7mil

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:)) and that’s a gun

split lotus Sep 25, 2020, 7:46 AM

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1.5mil is not even that large for a hp model
yeah but it's so poorly optimized it can't even load it in 3ds max or cinema 4D (well you can but you'll have to wait for like 10 minutes for it to load)

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Maybe I'll go back to it and try using blender or something

I just wanted to do ray tracing render (where tank is black)

quick terrace Sep 25, 2020, 7:47 AM

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you can do that in tb4 beta

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no need for offline renderer

split lotus Sep 25, 2020, 7:47 AM

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what's tb4?

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Rendering was the easy part, manipulate the model in Cinema4D was the issue, I probably did something wrong 😛

quick terrace Sep 25, 2020, 7:48 AM

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most likely. marmoset toolbag 4

split lotus Sep 25, 2020, 11:00 AM

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@quick terrace turns out I was wrong he did optimize it and it's on 60k polys

quick terrace Sep 25, 2020, 11:12 AM

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still a lot

split lotus Sep 25, 2020, 11:23 AM

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it's with the bag @quick terrace

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so it might be somewhat fine

quick terrace Sep 25, 2020, 11:40 AM

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far from it

polar fiber Sep 25, 2020, 12:49 PM

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Character models are rarely over 20k. Equipment less so

split lotus Sep 25, 2020, 8:09 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

short plinth Sep 26, 2020, 1:24 AM

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hi all, coming to you guys for some help .. does anyone has ever used the Quixel Mixer tool to create and export the textures for any 3d model?
if so .. does anyone knows which of the 9 possible export options on this tool (Albedo, Difuse, Specular, Gloss, Roughness, Normal, Displacement, AO, Metalness) are supposed to go on the .rvmat file of a gun mod?

stuck oyster Sep 26, 2020, 1:27 AM

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@short plinth keep to 1 channel as per #rules

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we have basically same people on these channels

short plinth Sep 26, 2020, 1:28 AM

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my bad ! ...sure np buddy

lavish jay Sep 26, 2020, 2:23 AM

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I'm dying
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/336133741476839434/759238475651219526/unknown-28.jpg

runic plover Sep 26, 2020, 5:54 AM

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hi all, coming to you guys for some help .. does anyone has ever used the Quixel Mixer tool to create and export the textures for any 3d model?
if so .. does anyone knows which of the 9 possible export options on this tool (Albedo, Difuse, Specular, Gloss, Roughness, Normal, Displacement, AO, Metalness) are supposed to go on the .rvmat file of a gun mod?
@short plinth if im right Albedo = _CO Diffuse = _SMDI Specular = _AS Normal = _NOHQ

quick terrace Sep 26, 2020, 8:42 AM

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@runic plover no no no no, you are far from being right

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma:_Texture_Naming_Rules

Arma: Texture Naming Rules

polar fiber Sep 26, 2020, 9:45 AM

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From past experience of Quixel suite, Albedo will need tweaking for Arma. Any base metal layers in your materials will need their brightness bringing up to make them grey rather than black. And I highly recommend you use the "base definition" smart material or what ever it might be called in Mixer nowadays, as a top layer in your materials stack in order to turn it from an albedo to more of a diffuse map

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Specular and gloss will need tweaking, usually with a levels or brightness/contrast fill/adjustment layer. Then you combine the specular and gloss as a _smdi map with the spec in the green channel and gloss in the blue

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Metalness+Roughness are not needed

short plinth Sep 26, 2020, 12:41 PM

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@polar fiber @quick terrace @runic plover hey guys.. Then would u recomend to keep working with this quixel sw?.. Or what program do u guys use which fits more to the arma 3 texture needs?

quick terrace Sep 26, 2020, 12:50 PM

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the go to software for the past years have been substance painter. that being said, the outputs from all 3d painting/texturing that are pbr (as in all available ) would need minor adjustments

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so considering mixer is free, as long as you can use effectively

median bough Sep 26, 2020, 12:51 PM

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there are shaders available for SP to match arma

quick terrace Sep 26, 2020, 12:51 PM

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no reason to change

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@median bough except they are still no 1:1 match

median bough Sep 26, 2020, 12:52 PM

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true, but can be used to get it roughly

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adjustments are still needed

quick terrace Sep 26, 2020, 12:52 PM

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and they come with pretty hefty downsides, as being unable to properly use smart materials

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so you can get pbr textures and have assets ready for the future, but have to manually adjust these for non pbr specific a3 shaders or have specific a3 textures done (and still have to do minor adjustments), yet have no future proof textures in place

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i’ll always take the first option

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you can even have said adjustments ready in a ps template

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sort of automated

short plinth Sep 26, 2020, 1:00 PM

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@quick terrace thanks for the help... So I Will look for more info about how to do those adjustments vía quixel.. As im kinda New on this 😋

quick terrace Sep 26, 2020, 1:14 PM

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you need to understand the difference between albedo (pbr) workflow, no matter if it is spec-gloss or roughness + metal versus diffuse (non prb ) workflow

stoic blaze Sep 27, 2020, 12:48 AM

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If I make a new character model, what would be a good polycount?

stuck oyster Sep 27, 2020, 1:02 AM

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rule of thumb is as low as you can make it

stoic blaze Sep 27, 2020, 1:03 AM

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Okay... What about maximum then?

stuck oyster Sep 27, 2020, 1:03 AM

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and then with new character do you mean an uniform or completely custom character?

stoic blaze Sep 27, 2020, 1:03 AM

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Not completely sure. It's gotta be 3 meters tall tho...

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I'm just doing some research on how to do everything rn and making sure I remember it all haha

stuck oyster Sep 27, 2020, 1:04 AM

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then its pretty much your choice

stoic blaze Sep 27, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Does a uniform allow for the hitbox and damage to be modifed?

stuck oyster Sep 27, 2020, 1:04 AM

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as it does not really fit standards

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what do you mean?

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I assume you have played Arma 😄

stoic blaze Sep 27, 2020, 1:05 AM

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If the character is 3 meters tall, can I use a uniform but still have a hitbox for the face haha

stuck oyster Sep 27, 2020, 1:05 AM

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characters behave pretty much same

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the uniform would not have a face?

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I mean it is what you make it to be

stoic blaze Sep 27, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Not sure if you've seen any of the star wars mods?

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They have droids, that are full-body with just a uniform.

stuck oyster Sep 27, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Sure, but that topic is not good here

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but custom character should be able to have custom damage model too

stoic blaze Sep 27, 2020, 1:08 AM

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Okay, that's most likely what I'm looking to do then. Is this at all documented in videos or similar?

stuck oyster Sep 27, 2020, 1:08 AM

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but just so you know you are walking into very uncharted territory where there is very l ittle documentation or expertise to help you

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so you will need to steel yourself to have to learn a lot by yourself

stoic blaze Sep 27, 2020, 1:08 AM

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Ah that's the issue then haha

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I guess I'll have to power through haha. Thank you though, I'll probably send an update in the coming weeks as to how it's gone so far.

stuck oyster Sep 27, 2020, 1:09 AM

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👍

stoic blaze Sep 27, 2020, 1:10 AM

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Ah, you were the one who made the robo dog. Looks very nice.

stuck oyster Sep 27, 2020, 1:11 AM

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yeh

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its pretty fun

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https://youtu.be/s-8igodclDg

YouTube

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Lost Dragons Arma 3 Mod - 2018 TEASER #01

Long time no news!

Well here's some!! Little teaser of things we've combined from various tests! Still a bit raw here and there.. But you can see where this is going!

The legs are still the old version but new ones are on the assembly line waiting to get stomping!!

Music b...

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working on some bigger things too

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So I do know what its like to make the custom chars and how hard it is to figure it out. Im still learning myself too. Been 5-6 years since I started

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so dont get down if by next week you are still clueless xD

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@stoic blaze

stoic blaze Sep 27, 2020, 1:19 AM

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holy fucking hell

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i just realized i have to do mechs too -.-

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Are you sure that's arma?

stuck oyster Sep 27, 2020, 1:27 AM

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Its about as far as it can be taken

woeful viper Sep 27, 2020, 11:01 AM

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if you plan on starting a total conversion NOW (at end of lifecycle for arma) ... dont bother with arma and focus on assetts for a future yet to exist game (A4 or whatever comes along)...

jolly ermine Sep 27, 2020, 11:38 AM

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So, im a virgin when it come to modeling and modding overall, what i want to do is increase the armour value of a APC (CV90) and rework the model since its very subpar both texture vise aswell as the model itself... anyone help? :( @ me if you could <3 Also I need to add a specific type of shell :)

neon drum Sep 27, 2020, 1:06 PM

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Hello, is there a reasonable amount of polygons amount we should have in vest and backpack models?

polar fiber Sep 27, 2020, 1:49 PM

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@jolly ermine you can't rework models without the original author giving you access to the source file

jolly ermine Sep 27, 2020, 2:07 PM

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@polar fiber I see.

stoic blaze Sep 27, 2020, 6:51 PM

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@woeful viper Honestly just gonna keep all of the base models etc. I do, so I can always use it somewhere else.
Doing this to get better at modeling and sculpting, along with some config and texturing experience.

woeful viper Sep 27, 2020, 9:12 PM

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then i wouldnt do stuff that requires more work than necessary. 3m infantry and mechs do require a lot more work than just regular size, weapons etc to implement
Configs will not be transferrable to new games... models are

short plinth Sep 28, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Hi A3 comunity,

QQ! .. im planning to go ahead and create several "paint" options for my gun 3d model .. so wondering whether anyone knows whether i need to create a separate p3d file per model per camo? or .. if there is any option to use same p3d model and kinda code the camo options via model.cfg? 🤔

rich bluff Sep 28, 2020, 5:09 PM

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that last bit is exactly how it is handled

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in your model.cfg you just need to add a couple selections that include all the faces used on each UV sheet

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and you need to make sure those selections also are on your model in your .p3d

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from there, you can configure your CfgWeapons class to have hiddenSelections

short plinth Sep 28, 2020, 5:10 PM

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hi @rich bluff ... oh ok then same p3d can work .. only thing i need to do several "camo" selections with different rvmat ?

rich bluff Sep 28, 2020, 5:10 PM

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the standard convention for naming those selections is camo, camo1, camo2, etc

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yep

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you don't need a new rvmat if it's just the diffuse changing

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you can do this in ObjBuiler rather easily by pressing Ctrl+A to select all pieces

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and then E to open the Face Properties window

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then just select all the vertices that use the same texture and "create selection"

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then name the selection "camo" and make sure to add it in your model.cfg

short plinth Sep 28, 2020, 5:13 PM

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by any chance .. do u have a sample for model cfg .. which contains several camos? . just to see how the code structure and declaration shall be done there

rich bluff Sep 28, 2020, 5:13 PM

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give me a couple seconds to locate something

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Do you have A3 Samples?

short plinth Sep 28, 2020, 5:14 PM

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yeah

rich bluff Sep 28, 2020, 5:14 PM

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A3 Samples has an example of a weapon with a singular hiddenSelection camo

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all that would differ is that instead of line 206 being sections[] = {"muzzleFlash","Camo"}; it would be sections[] = {"muzzleFlash","Camo","Camo1","Camo2"};

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and you would have those sections defined in your model

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each of those sections, though, represent their own UV sheets

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camo = uv1, camo1 = uv2, camo2 = uv3

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I recommend Atom for configuration, as it has a package you can install for the Arma 3 Scripting/Config Languages written by ACE

short plinth Sep 28, 2020, 5:17 PM

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im checking into Addons\Test_Weapon_01 \model.cfg .. but still not able to find it

rich bluff Sep 28, 2020, 5:17 PM

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line 206

short plinth Sep 28, 2020, 5:17 PM

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is that the sample model u are referring to ?

rich bluff Sep 28, 2020, 5:17 PM

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yes

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the config.cpp doesn't cover hiddenSelections, but they're relatively straightforward as far as retextures go

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Quick_camo_selection_definition_guide this covers some of it, but the process is a little different when including outside tools

short plinth Sep 28, 2020, 5:19 PM

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excellent ! 😎 .. ok lemme take a look at that file .. if that sample is ther .. it shall be easy ... appreciate all the support buddy

rich bluff Sep 28, 2020, 5:20 PM

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no problem

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I don't check this discord often, but if you need help, this is a great place to be

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feel free to ping if you need something

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I'll try to answer to the best of my ability

short plinth Sep 28, 2020, 5:21 PM

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cool ! .. will do for sure ... thanks again man 👍

agile bison Sep 28, 2020, 8:19 PM

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hey guys! does anyone now a good tutorial for adding gear to arma 3, like helmets and vests?

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i haven't done anything related but I would love to, I just don't know how

steel vector Sep 28, 2020, 8:38 PM

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Characters_And_Gear_Encoding_Guide is probably the most extensive guide I know of

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and although it's mostly about retextures, with a few modifications it also works with custom gear (wiki has config examples for custom models as well)

median bough Sep 28, 2020, 9:18 PM

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well, first you need a 3d software and know how to use it... this can take quite some time before you even reach the level of understanding how to make an asset. the arma modding itself coms way after that...

uneven vigil Sep 30, 2020, 3:25 PM

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https://prnt.sc/uqomna
I am developing a weapon. I am in the modeling phase. I need a document on Sights. About the drop of the bullet or the distances etc.

lavish jay Oct 1, 2020, 1:30 AM

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Hi, I'm watched the article that said UnrealEngine can generate resolution LODs automatically.
Is it useful for OB? And how?

median bough Oct 1, 2020, 1:34 AM

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not very useful imo.
you have to create the model, export it, import it top UE, apply auto LOD generator.
i don't think you then can export the new model and import it to OB.
better way would be doing that all in the 3d software. most have some sort of tool to achieve the exact same with a few clicks.

lavish jay Oct 1, 2020, 1:54 AM

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fmm...

short plinth Oct 1, 2020, 3:05 AM

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Hi all, by any chance, would anyone know about how the animation code for the fire mode selector shall be configured on the model.cfg if my gun has 3 fire modes? (semi,auto,burst) ... and also if there is any way to set up the fire mode priority while switching on arma 3?

rough idol Oct 1, 2020, 8:19 AM

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@short plinth set up the fire mode priority it's using same order as modes[].
animation code for the fire mode selector shall be configured
weaponMode is your friend. It outputs current fire mode in range 0 to 1 where 1 is last fire mode and 0 is first one. Keep in mind its calculating that value from modes[] array, so it includes ALL modes - those hidden AI ones too

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modes[] = {"FullAuto","Burst","Single","Burst_medium","single_medium_optics1","single_medium_optics2"};
Above are AK12 firemodes - there are 6 in total where 3 ones are available to player & 3 are AI specific. weaponMode will return 0 for **Full Auto **& 1 for single_medium_optics2

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for Single it will return 2/5 = 0.4. Why 2 and why 5? Array starts from 0, so "Single" mode has index 0 and 5 is last index number

main jasper Oct 1, 2020, 11:51 AM

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Is there a maximum size of objects before the Fire Geo starts acting funky? I have a building that is 30x20x15 and the top floor's fire geo doesn't work but geo does

stuck oyster Oct 1, 2020, 11:52 AM

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that size should still work

strong plaza Oct 1, 2020, 11:53 AM

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there is no height limit to object size from my understanding

main jasper Oct 1, 2020, 11:54 AM

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hmmm

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Will go over the fire geo and check again

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Also it is baked into the terrain

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Shouldn't make a difference right?

main jasper Oct 1, 2020, 1:24 PM

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Is there a component limit for geometry?

stuck oyster Oct 1, 2020, 2:20 PM

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2048 I'd suppose

short plinth Oct 1, 2020, 2:53 PM

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@white jay .. thanks for the info man .. it was very handy

subtle bison Oct 1, 2020, 4:32 PM

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a soldier carries one of my weapons. if i kill that soldier, the weapon will disappear - but i can pick it up from his inventory. anyone knows what's up here?

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ok i think i know why

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there are no components in the geo. let's see what happens once i run that through

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yup, that did it. thanks guys :>

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hmm but actually now i have another issue... bullets are blocked by the rifle

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ok, fixed it :>

vapid nexus Oct 1, 2020, 4:54 PM

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bullets blocked by rifle is usally that the memory points is pointing the wrong direction

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oh nvm you already fixed it

subtle bison Oct 1, 2020, 4:56 PM

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yeah, it was missing materials in the geo

shell coral Oct 1, 2020, 10:42 PM

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okay so ive tried everything i can possibly think of

orchid spruce Oct 4, 2020, 11:29 AM

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what do people usually do to line up vehicle seat proxies in p3ds? is it just trial and error - adjust position, load model, check in-game, adjust again?

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or is there some other way

marsh canyon Oct 4, 2020, 11:29 AM

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Use Buldozer

orchid spruce Oct 4, 2020, 11:36 AM

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how do I get it to display seat proxies?

polar fiber Oct 4, 2020, 11:45 AM

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Do you have custom crew anims?

orchid spruce Oct 4, 2020, 11:46 AM

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no I wanna use vanilla seat animations

polar fiber Oct 4, 2020, 11:47 AM

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With BI anims it can be a bit of trial and error, yes. Unless there's one of the proxies in the folder using that anim

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I can't remember if you can apply binarised .rtm to a character model in OB. But if you can, you load the .rtm you want on to a character model select the keyframe where the character is posed how you want and then delete the rest (r-click delete all animations), and save it as e.g. cargo.p3d (you only need the first res LOD) then you can load that as your proxy and view it in buldozer

marsh canyon Oct 4, 2020, 11:51 AM

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It's impossible to load binarized RTM

polar fiber Oct 4, 2020, 11:52 AM

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Well I dunno if there's a tool to unbin them (which is probably fine since they're useless outside of Arma). I seem to remember there being one

marsh canyon Oct 4, 2020, 11:53 AM

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Mikero's paid one had one, IIRC. I think putting the vehicle and try to search the positions in Eden Editor is a way in this case, though

polar fiber Oct 4, 2020, 11:55 AM

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Diagnostic .exe, unpacked data and diag_resetShape is probably the fastest way to do the trial and error approach

rough idol Oct 4, 2020, 12:21 PM

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There is also free variant of dertm - although it's not the latest version

subtle bison Oct 4, 2020, 1:55 PM

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out of curiosity - rtm files unbinarized this way, is it possible to load them up into a 3d software and edit them?

polar fiber Oct 4, 2020, 2:01 PM

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Can edit them individual keyframes in OB with the skeleton, but AFAIK the Blender rig etc. don't support imported poses properly

subtle bison Oct 4, 2020, 5:17 PM

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why not import the p3d directly into blender

shell coral Oct 4, 2020, 5:21 PM

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which .py do i use?

subtle bison Oct 4, 2020, 5:27 PM

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the whole thing

orchid spruce Oct 4, 2020, 5:37 PM

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I'm trying to put the BTR-40 from the arma 2 samples into A3 and I'm having an issue where if I have the wheel damper animations in the model.cfg, this happens with the wheels https://i.imgur.com/zrqyb7M.png

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could this be because of model.cfg or config issues?

vestal kindle Oct 4, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Hello guys !
Small issue with glass (buildings). One out of two windows works and I don't know why. Everything is setup the same way, selections, model cfg, config cfg.
For example in the model cfg tool : https://imgur.com/jHsn1lG
You can see, there's no "glass_26/28/30/32/34" but when I switch to classes, controllers, class hierarchy there here.
They are missing in Selections and Sel. Hierarchy BUT in my lods, I have the selection for those as you can see : https://imgur.com/udu3tbX & https://imgur.com/zsw1dqp

stuck oyster Oct 4, 2020, 8:04 PM

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@subtle bison the animations can be imported properly only if all animation helping constraints are disabled and each frame of rtm is imported as keyframe. This makes editing RTMs very tedious and basically it is faster to make new animations with properly set up animation rig.

clever solar Oct 4, 2020, 8:48 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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Finally pulling the thumb out

stuck oyster Oct 4, 2020, 8:48 PM

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👍

vestal kindle Oct 5, 2020, 8:30 AM

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Any idea for my glass problem guys ? :(

stuck oyster Oct 5, 2020, 8:40 AM

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How many bones do you have in the building?

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Might be best to do the model.Cfg in text editor

rough idol Oct 5, 2020, 9:41 AM

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@orchid spruce model.cfg issue - you need to adjust damper values

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Cars_Config_Guidelines#Suspension_parameters
If your model have already Basic_Damper_Destruct_Axis, then use something like that

            class Wheel_1_1_Damper
            {
                type        = translation;
                source        = damper;
                selection    = wheel_1_1_damper_land;
                axis        = Basic_Damper_Destruct_Axis;
                animPeriod    = 1;
                minValue    = 0;
                maxValue    = 1;
                offset0        = -0.1; // maxDroop = 0.1;
                offset1        = 0.2; // maxCompression = 0.2;
                memory        = 1;
            };``` offset0 needs to match maxDroop from your physx config & offset1 should be same as maxCompression

Arma 3 Cars Config Guidelines

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Basic_Damper_Destruct_Axis is an axis in Y axis which is exactly 1 meter long

orchid spruce Oct 5, 2020, 9:47 AM

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yeah I've seen that, the config has both maxDroop and maxCompression set to 0.15 and my offsets are set to match that

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wait, the config property is maxDroop, right?

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I think I might have a spelling mistake in my config

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mMaxDroop=0.15;

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or is mMaxDroop something else?

rough idol Oct 5, 2020, 9:49 AM

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mMaxDroop does nothing

orchid spruce Oct 5, 2020, 9:50 AM

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where does mMaxDroop come from, I can find a bunch of google results of that property being a thing

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is it an arma 2 thing?

rough idol Oct 5, 2020, 9:52 AM

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it comes from PhysX documentation

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it was quite common typo during early days of A3 modding - probably because it was also present in some A3 samples/documentation or vehicle. I remember I had that typo too in RHS vehicles

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https://docs.nvidia.com/gameworks/content/gameworkslibrary/physx/apireference/files/classPxVehicleSuspensionData.html

orchid spruce Oct 5, 2020, 9:59 AM

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yep it works now

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thanks a lot

rough idol Oct 5, 2020, 10:27 AM

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@vestal kindle share your model.cfg perhaps?

charred bolt Oct 5, 2020, 12:02 PM

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Is there a minimum thickness for a vehicle Fire Geometry object below which passthrough of damage from the hitpoint (eg "HitBody") to total health stops working (seems so from experiment)? FG is not armour or designed to prevent penetration, so simple case (eg wood) https://imgur.com/BX5hSfD

rough idol Oct 5, 2020, 2:23 PM

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@charred bolt there is "minTotalDamageThreshold" property

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so I guess bullet is losing not enough speed which ends up with little damage

orchid spruce Oct 5, 2020, 4:44 PM

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is it possible in object builder to move a certain selection the same way between all lods?

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like for example with a seat proxy

vestal kindle Oct 5, 2020, 4:44 PM

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@stuck oyster @rough idol Here you go: https://pastebin.com/SnCZh6sV Sry for the delay, was at work ^^

rough idol Oct 5, 2020, 4:45 PM

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@vestal kindle omg, what a messy way to write skeleton cfg

vestal kindle Oct 5, 2020, 4:46 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

rough idol Oct 5, 2020, 4:46 PM

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write it in pairs

"glass_12", "door_1",
 "glass_12_hide", "door_1",
  "glass_12_unhide", "door_1", 
  "glass_12_effects", "door_1", ``` like that

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and you will see why some of the bones are not working for you

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Model_Config#cfgSkeletons

Model Config

stuck oyster Oct 5, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Yeh that's too hard to read for debugging

rough idol Oct 5, 2020, 4:49 PM

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since it's utter mess, my bet is that glass_25_unhide is attached to glass_26_hide
"glass_25_unhide", "glass_26_hide" & there is no glass_26_hide bone definition

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@orchid spruce yes, you could probably do something like that with o2script but without basic scripting knowledge it might be faster do it manually

vestal kindle Oct 5, 2020, 4:50 PM

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alright doing some cleanup, sry ^^"
thanks!

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cleaned up and fixed! thanks again, dumb enough to not check that 😫 notlikemeowcry

woeful viper Oct 5, 2020, 5:09 PM

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@charred bolt FireGeo physical thickness below 10mm may not work properly - projectiles can end up ignoring it in some cases (not always)

charred bolt Oct 5, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Thanks reyhard and X3KJ, your knowledge is invaluable as always.

vestal kindle Oct 5, 2020, 7:48 PM

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any good tuts for garage doors ? 🤔
Basic doors and custom doors animation ?

dusk frost Oct 5, 2020, 7:51 PM

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so when I started doing terrain work, folks in that channel pointed me to two authoritative tutorials for terrain making and told me to ignore the rest. is this the case for model importing too? is there a tutorial or two that are the first and foremost resource for making models?

woeful viper Oct 5, 2020, 8:15 PM

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No, not really. If you want to learn how to model, arma tutorials are not what you are looking for. Look for general modelling tutorials

dusk frost Oct 5, 2020, 8:23 PM

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no, I know how to model, I'm talking about getting the things I've modelled in-game

clever solar Oct 5, 2020, 8:48 PM

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Ye I was looking for such a thing and got pointed to several different things.

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Guess it depends on what type of model you are working with though.

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And like 99% of what people have worked on for arma over the years has been mostly guns and rigs etc.

dusk frost Oct 5, 2020, 8:55 PM

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hmm

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mostly what I'm after right now is making some objects for terrain, as well as some wearable things

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I imagine those are two very different things to set up

stuck oyster Oct 5, 2020, 9:03 PM

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Basics are the same with all objects. The wiki explains how configs work and how animations work, the samples on steam have all basic examples. Tutorials that are around are only useful if you got the basics down.

dusk frost Oct 5, 2020, 9:08 PM

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samples, as in, "open samples" in the arma 3 tools on steam?

stuck oyster Oct 5, 2020, 9:11 PM

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"Arma 3 samples"

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On steam

shell coral Oct 5, 2020, 11:48 PM

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is there anyone that can make the uniform arms on a model T-POSE

median bough Oct 5, 2020, 11:54 PM

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quite some are on here. but the question is: do they want to...?

shell coral Oct 5, 2020, 11:59 PM

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is it a necessity to have the arms tpose?

median bough Oct 6, 2020, 12:00 AM

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no, but it might help for rigging

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... i guess ...

shell coral Oct 6, 2020, 12:01 AM

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because whenever i load into game

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the arms literally look like hes handcuffed

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and the head is missing. no vests or helmets show up

median bough Oct 6, 2020, 12:02 AM

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could be a lot of issues.
wrong rigging / weighting
missing proxies

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ect

shell coral Oct 6, 2020, 12:02 AM

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because i just did a weight transfer

median bough Oct 6, 2020, 12:03 AM

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and btw: my answer reads like this because your question sounded like that you want somebody to do it for you...

shell coral Oct 6, 2020, 12:04 AM

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yeah i was asking if anyone can do it now im just asking personal questions

median bough Oct 6, 2020, 12:05 AM

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i'm not experienced enough to answer / help in detail

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best to wait until the geeks wake up 😄

shell coral Oct 6, 2020, 12:05 AM

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ok if anyone can do that for me we can discuss something for return

blissful spire Oct 6, 2020, 12:10 AM

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proper section now : ok, been awhile since ive asked a question here. So i have a weapon rack model with weapon proxies on it. in object builder, it hides the weapon like it should. but doesn't in game. any ideas?

blissful spire Oct 6, 2020, 1:39 AM

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nvm, it just started working again

dusk frost Oct 6, 2020, 1:47 AM

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just wanted to check, but you can have transparent textures on character equipment, right? like if I wanted to make, for example, a beard made out of cards with an alpha texture applied for the hair

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and can equipment like facewear have looping idle/ambient animations?

quick terrace Oct 6, 2020, 7:28 AM

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is it a necessity to have the arms tpose?
@shell coral if wanna do vertex weights transfer, yes, the meshes needs to overlap

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just wanted to check, but you can have transparent textures on character equipment, right? like if I wanted to make, for example, a beard made out of cards with an alpha texture applied for the hair
@dusk frost you can, yes

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and can equipment like facewear have looping idle/ambient animations?
@dusk frost nope

dusk frost Oct 6, 2020, 7:30 AM

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alright, thank you

chilly pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Hi, I'm not a 100% sure it's the channel for my problem but I'll try anyway. I've never done anything related to model creation (or just content creation), I just need help on one thing. How can I visualize the content inside à pbo file ? I don't need to edit the files or anything, just see what content is in it (for uniforms, guns, etc). I want to create a modpack for a friend of mine because the mods we are using are too big for his HDD (only 250 GB, and we use more than 100 Go of mods, but we don't actually use at least half of it so I want to keep only the stuff we actually need, and I want to do it without starting my game every time), how can I do that ?

woeful viper Oct 6, 2020, 5:58 PM

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repackaging mods is not permitted, unless you have permission from each and every author...

chilly pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Most mods we use authorize that for private use (I'm not putting anything on the workshop or anything else, it's really just for this friend in particular for this particular use)

woeful viper Oct 6, 2020, 6:03 PM

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most is not all. There is no "visualize content" method anyway other than going in the game and looking.

chilly pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 6:03 PM

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(I've asked the authors before, those who do not authorize that like CUP, I just don't touch their mods)

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But okay, I'll do it the manual way then, thanks ^^

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(I'm not doing it for a server either, juste private games with a friend that we occasionnally host on our own computers)

vestal kindle Oct 6, 2020, 7:24 PM

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Hi,
What's the lod who manage the height of the objects you place in your building (roadway, geo, geo phys) ? Thanks

quick terrace Oct 6, 2020, 7:46 PM

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(I'm not doing it for a server either, juste private games with a friend that we occasionnally host on our own computers)
@chilly pagoda that is not private use. private use = just your own self btw

turbid cove Oct 6, 2020, 7:47 PM

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@vestal kindle it has been brought to our attention that you are editing and publishing Vanilla models; as you can guess, this is a big no. Take it down.

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I believe my message answers yours, PuFu

quick terrace Oct 6, 2020, 7:48 PM

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ninjaed

turbid cove Oct 6, 2020, 7:51 PM

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@vestal kindle?

vestal kindle Oct 6, 2020, 7:52 PM

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I'm editing yes but not publishing.

stuck oyster Oct 6, 2020, 8:03 PM

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its just as no no..

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vanilla A3 objects are not to be touched.

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no matter the intentions

chilly pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 8:04 PM

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@quick terrace oh okay my bad (I tend to mix the meaning in english and in french. Where I live "private use"(usage privé in french) = use in a private "setting" if it means something => Use in a way that is not "for the masses", meaning the product is not publicly available, but only for a limited group of people (of small size of course, "male people" or "people over 18" for example is not limited enough, nor "the inhabitants of city X") that's why I was wrong)

And since the only way the mods will be distributed is through a USB drive (the friend who I'm making this for lives in my neighborhood) and not publicly available, it falls under this "usage privé"

turbid cove Oct 6, 2020, 8:28 PM

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still ripping stuff (BOHEMIA stuff), and advocating for it in public @vestal kindle.

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afair these buildings are not in the Arma free data pack.

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sooo…?

quick terrace Oct 6, 2020, 9:24 PM

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@Napsius#2008 no worries, but what i said stands - in this particular case (license exempt, goes under fair use) if you keep it to yourself. as soon as you distribute that further (no matter of the means of distribution) it isn't private anymore. By your definition, it can be private to 20.000 people, because without a link/invite/usb drive, you have no external party has access to that. And that is not how licenses and ip rights for digital content works

woeful viper Oct 6, 2020, 9:26 PM

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i think id rather spend 50-80 bucks to buy another hard drive vs. sifting through 100 mods manually anyway...

clever solar Oct 6, 2020, 10:03 PM

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um.. yeeeaaaaah

thorny coral Oct 6, 2020, 11:15 PM

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Yo boi's, I got my model and I got my textures. I just need someone to put it into object builder add a pistol proxi and then get it ready so it can be put into arma 3 can anyone help if u can message me

median bough Oct 6, 2020, 11:17 PM

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@thorny coral
this someone could be you 😉

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https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/207631-from-blender-to-arma-3-complete-process-tutorial/

Bohemia Interactive Forums

From Blender to ArmA 3 - Complete process tutorial

Hello, As I had many requests, I did this all-in-one tutorial I am sharing today. I hope it will be helpful to you. All important stages are available in videos description. I will try to make more tutorials in the future, so dont hesitate to guide me to parts of the videos th...

thorny coral Oct 6, 2020, 11:19 PM

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I'm willing to pay because I cba to learn just for this one thing

silver zenith Oct 7, 2020, 1:35 AM

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sorry bud can't pay people for that

rich bluff Oct 7, 2020, 1:43 AM

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Why not Sanchez?

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isn't he just asking for someone to implement his model?

steel vector Oct 7, 2020, 1:47 AM

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Because Arma Tools EULA forbids people to make money with the tools, and since you need those tools it's not allowed

median bough Oct 7, 2020, 1:47 AM

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it requires arma 3 tools. eula forbids commercial use

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blobdoggoninja

dull lagoon Oct 7, 2020, 6:32 AM

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Does anyone know how to bake multiple textures into one in Blender?

quick terrace Oct 7, 2020, 6:33 AM

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pretty sure google does

clever solar Oct 7, 2020, 10:12 PM

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Hey.. why isn't arma toolbox for blender pinned? =_=

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assuming it's still good for new blender.. I've never used it

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https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/105462541215358976/748905393161371688

turbid cove Oct 7, 2020, 10:16 PM

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as you commanded, my liege

clever solar Oct 8, 2020, 2:11 AM

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o7

dusk frost Oct 8, 2020, 6:16 AM

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it's still good, I'm using it in 2.9 without issue so far

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though I've only used the p3d import part, so take it with a grain of salt I guess

clever solar Oct 8, 2020, 10:42 AM

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Thanks

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Havent gotten past the point of making first lod in blender.

icy condor Oct 8, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Which proxy is responsible for displaying the head?

quick terrace Oct 8, 2020, 3:00 PM

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head

icy condor Oct 8, 2020, 3:03 PM

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Can I have a way?

stuck oyster Oct 8, 2020, 3:05 PM

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example character in Arma3 Samples

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bysta proxy

dusk frost Oct 9, 2020, 9:25 AM

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when making LODs, I see the wiki lists a number of different types, though when I import a sample P3D (the standard baseball cap) it only comes with 3 res lods and a shadow lod; do I not need things like collision geo or fire geo for simple headgear?

stuck oyster Oct 9, 2020, 9:27 AM

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depends on what kind of properties you want for it

dusk frost Oct 9, 2020, 9:27 AM

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I'm not making anything fancy, just like cowboy hats and baseball caps and such

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I assume if I was making a proper helmet I'd need fire geo

stuck oyster Oct 9, 2020, 9:28 AM

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they probably work with the basic setup just fine

dusk frost Oct 9, 2020, 9:28 AM

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alright, thanks

rough idol Oct 9, 2020, 9:46 AM

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character gear need only resolution LOD + shadow LOD

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Empty Geometry LOD can be added as convenient method to set autocenter = 0

cerulean compass Oct 9, 2020, 12:04 PM

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hey, i want to create an FFV vehicle (no model required). just for one player, in prone position. could someone point me in the right direction? assuming i need to use object builder

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the point is to lock a player in prone position on top of an existing vehicle

rough idol Oct 9, 2020, 12:26 PM

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in samples there is FFV template

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you would basically try to reduce available actions in your own variant of class Actions

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Test_FFV_Poses_F

cerulean compass Oct 9, 2020, 12:47 PM

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will look into it, thanks!

junior saddle Oct 9, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Does anybody know why certain materials aren't loading on vehicles? To elaborate, I have a jet plane with six different colors/material combinations on two camo selections. Camo 1 is the main color, and Camo2 are the leading edges of the wings. The player can choose whichever color combo he/she wants, and the color part works fine. The materials don't always work, though.

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The four materials I've made are glossy, matte, chrome, and a tinted red satin metallic. Strangely, the matte finish is the one that has the most problems, but I think because it has more detail in the SMDI image, possibly? It also seems to have much different fresnel values than the other materials.

stuck oyster Oct 9, 2020, 8:05 PM

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are all of the materials present on the p3d?

junior saddle Oct 9, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Something has changed in Arma 3, though, and I know this because I have another vehicle, a LM002, with 8 different color choices which didn't suffer this problem years ago. Revisiting it to see how I made that happen, I discovered the chrome materials were not loading, and then the glossy ones weren't loading. It was inconsistent.

stuck oyster Oct 9, 2020, 8:06 PM

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material changing is a bit buggy and I think for it to work properly all the materials have to be present in the p3d

junior saddle Oct 9, 2020, 8:06 PM

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no. it's a hiddenSelection swap

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oh, so maybe put a hidden tri somewhere within?

stuck oyster Oct 9, 2020, 8:07 PM

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it might work if you put different materials for different lods for example

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or even on 1 lod you could have different parts of camo1 to have different material for that selection

junior saddle Oct 9, 2020, 8:08 PM

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So as you get further away it changes color?

stuck oyster Oct 9, 2020, 8:08 PM

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no no those would be replaced by whatever you hiddenselection config puts on them

junior saddle Oct 9, 2020, 8:08 PM

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~~color~~ material

stuck oyster Oct 9, 2020, 8:08 PM

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but they would be initially present in the p3d

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and thus "register" with it

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at least that is how I've understood it works. no promises that Im right

junior saddle Oct 9, 2020, 8:10 PM

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Ok, so the key is to have it "registered." I like this idea

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I think it might work to do your different parts of Camo1 have each material on them, especially since the base color/material combination is in scope=0;

stuck oyster Oct 9, 2020, 8:13 PM

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if you have hiddenSelection config then in game it does not matter at all what the Camo selections have on them in the p3d

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as only the hiddenselections texture/material should be shown

junior saddle Oct 9, 2020, 8:13 PM

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Yeah, cool

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You rock, HG!

stuck oyster Oct 9, 2020, 8:17 PM

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🌈

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🥔

junior saddle Oct 9, 2020, 8:25 PM

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I'm not sure what that means. LOL

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a pot of gold (golden fried potatoes) at the end of a rainbow?

stuck oyster Oct 9, 2020, 8:29 PM

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I guess its how I feel rightnow. xD Been a long day

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potato at the end of the rainbow

junior saddle Oct 9, 2020, 8:31 PM

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Well, I have good news!

Your idea worked, and all colors are selectable.
There'll be no floods to wipe out all humanity today.

stuck oyster Oct 9, 2020, 8:32 PM

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is still negotiable

junior saddle Oct 9, 2020, 8:33 PM

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Well, thanks again. It was a simple fix, but I'm glad I asked and got your expert advice.

stuck oyster Oct 9, 2020, 8:38 PM

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youre welcome

woeful viper Oct 10, 2020, 12:34 AM

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🤬 this bloody stupid bipod deployment detection algorithm is driving me nuts! On some geometries/constellations it simply refuses to work

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already deleted everything but 1 box and the roadway plane and still nothing... (whereas another building with same height and depth dimensions is no problem)

shell coral Oct 10, 2020, 1:39 AM

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my fire selector literally falling out of my gun

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/728078837749121124/764301031257145344/06cbef26cc07fca42d1931b4b8d2ff08.png

stuck oyster Oct 10, 2020, 1:44 AM

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likely missing autocenter 0 named property. or wrong bone definition. or not correct animation type. or no correct memorypoint axis defined

dusk frost Oct 10, 2020, 6:45 AM

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the wiki says shadow lods must be smaller than the res lod so they don't shade it in-game. how critical is it that they be 100% inside the res lod, and do I absolutely need shadow lods for things like headwear, or will it be fine without them if it comes down to that?

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I have a couple models with thin or complicated geometry which don't shrink well

woeful viper Oct 10, 2020, 8:19 AM

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how critical is it that they be 100% inside the res lod
@dusk frost if parts stick out, those areas will be always shaded on the model... which looks bad. You dont need shadow lod per se... if you are fine with not having shadow for a certain piece (like wires or whatever) then leave them out. It should be as simple as possible anyway (below 1000 tris for small stuff)

dusk frost Oct 10, 2020, 8:22 AM

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oh cool, that's good to hear

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and for some things is it fine to just omit a shadow lod altogether?

quick terrace Oct 10, 2020, 9:26 AM

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shadowvolume lod should be around 1500vertices

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tops

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small bolts etc can have no shadows yes, not the entire thing

stuck oyster Oct 10, 2020, 11:06 AM

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For example what kind of a thing do you feel like not making a shadow for?

icy condor Oct 10, 2020, 3:45 PM

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which proxy is responsible for the "face protection" slot

shell coral Oct 10, 2020, 4:06 PM

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anyone know what could be the cause of my muzzle flash sometimes appearing below the barrel when shooting

keen prism Oct 10, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Anyone got a creative Idea to not render an object from a certain distance ? Without scripting that is. Or if anyone has ever used the named property "drawimportance"

strong plaza Oct 10, 2020, 5:33 PM

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any downsides to using sbsource = visualex?

cyan heart Oct 10, 2020, 5:41 PM

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You can’t use it on vehicles etc

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It’s great for buildings, static objects and vegetation

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For small object you can get better quality with regular shadow lods, at least from my experience

dusk frost Oct 10, 2020, 6:11 PM

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The thing I didn’t want to bother with a shadow lod for was a large mustache

rough idol Oct 10, 2020, 6:55 PM

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you can use it on vehicles

dusk frost Oct 10, 2020, 8:46 PM

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What is the difference between the view geometry and the res LOD you see when you're closest to the model in-game?

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is the view geo functionally just the first LOD?

woeful viper Oct 10, 2020, 8:49 PM

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no it isnt. quite the opposite. Its extremely simple blocks, like geo lod to block vision - and only necessary if it needs 2 b different from geo lod

foggy finch Oct 10, 2020, 8:49 PM

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All is explained on the biki: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/LOD#ViewGeometry

LOD

dusk frost Oct 10, 2020, 8:50 PM

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I've been reading the wiki, I came here because I was confused about what I was reading

foggy finch Oct 10, 2020, 8:51 PM

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you need one if you want AI to behave correctly around your object, for example in buildings with windows, you would have view-geo mesh for the walls but not covering the window parts

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otherwise they will see right through your object

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because there is no geo blocking 🙂

dusk frost Oct 10, 2020, 8:52 PM

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ok, thank you

foggy finch Oct 10, 2020, 8:52 PM

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the same with tanks, you would have a view-geo mesh of the hull/turret

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its very simple mesh

dusk frost Oct 10, 2020, 8:53 PM

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I'm just making some hats right now, that sounds like it's unnecessary for what I'm doing

foggy finch Oct 10, 2020, 8:54 PM

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yeah it probably is just for hats 🙂

orchid spruce Oct 10, 2020, 10:54 PM

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I need some help with model.cfg logic, I have a few parts that are separately being rotated in such ways that they stay mostly connected together, but at some point during the middle of the rotation they get slightly misaligned, I'm trying to fix that by splitting the rotation into 2 but it's not quite working ```sqf
class scope_beam_elevation
{
type="rotationx";
source="maingun";
selection="turret_beam";
sourceAddress="clamp";
axis="turret_beam_axis";
minPhase="rad -5";
maxPhase="rad 37.5";
minValue="rad -5";
maxValue="rad 37.5";
memory=0;
angle0="rad 4.973";
angle1="rad -38.701";
};
class scope_beam_elevation2
{
type="rotationx";
source="maingun";
selection="turret_beam";
sourceAddress="clamp";
axis="turret_beam_axis";
minPhase="rad 37.5";
maxPhase="rad 80";
minValue="rad 37.5";
maxValue="rad 80";
memory=0;
angle0="rad -38.701";
angle1="rad -86.375";
};

now it seems like it's applying them both at once or something so the selection defaults to being rotated much further

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I want it so when maingun goes from -5 to 37.5 degrees, that selection rotates from 4.973 to -38.701 degrees and then when maingun goes from 37.5 to 80 degrees, the selection rotates from -38.701 to -86.375

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figured it out just now, second one needed to start its rotation at 0 instead of that -37.701

rich bluff Oct 11, 2020, 2:14 AM

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I have a set of alphas being displayed on the model via a proxy. They display just fine when using the camera, but when viewing the asset as a player, the alphas are no longer visible.

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When adding forceNotAlpha = 1 to the model, they display to both, but when the value is included, I get a visual glitch that looks rather obnoxious.

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(This visual glitch does not appear from the camera's view when not using forceNotAlpha)

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I think I put 2 and 2 together... looks like it might be a shadow generating based on the visual LOD

rich bluff Oct 11, 2020, 2:36 AM

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fixed by adding renderFlag NoZWrite to the rvmat

spare nexus Oct 11, 2020, 8:54 AM

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Anyone here interested in a little job? I am looking for someone that would be interested in making some WW2 houses. I pay 50 to 150$ for each, depending on the amount of work.

hollow vale Oct 11, 2020, 8:57 AM

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#creators_recruiting

cyan heart Oct 11, 2020, 7:18 PM

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you can use it on vehicles
@rough idol you can?
I had some issues with the shadows turning off sometimes, like flickering on and off when the vehicle was moving.
Haven’t investigated any further though

rough idol Oct 11, 2020, 9:10 PM

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@cyan heart never seen something like this before. Maybe some settings were influencing it?

dusk frost Oct 11, 2020, 9:52 PM

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is there some kind of ideal folder hierarchy or organization method for assets (namely models and textures) prior to packing them into a pbo, or does it not matter as long as all the file paths are correct in whatever folder gets turned into the pbo

stuck oyster Oct 11, 2020, 9:54 PM

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preferably everything you do is prefixed with your mod "tag_"

dusk frost Oct 11, 2020, 9:54 PM

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right now I'm transferring files from their original working location to the P drive and I'm unsure of how they'll need to be organized, because I'm going to end up with a lot of files in this mod's folder

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right, everything is in there already

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and within my tag folder, there goes the folder for this project, and within that, can the files all just be lumped in together or do they need further differentiation

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so like tag > hat mod > [all the files]

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or do they need more like tag > hat mod > textures, and tag > hat mod > models > hat_brown etc. for example

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I've peeked inside some PBOs of mods I'm subscribed to in order to get a feel for how they're organized but it didn't really help

stuck oyster Oct 11, 2020, 10:01 PM

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many mods are not very well organized imo

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I tag all my folders and files with my tag

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except the techincal files like config.cpp and model.cfg etc

dusk frost Oct 11, 2020, 10:04 PM

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you prefix all files with your tag?

stuck oyster Oct 11, 2020, 10:10 PM

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yes

dusk frost Oct 11, 2020, 10:13 PM

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fair enough then

stuck oyster Oct 11, 2020, 10:15 PM

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no chance of confusion for where they belong to

dusk frost Oct 11, 2020, 11:15 PM

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I've opened one of my hats in object builder and the mesh is appearing fine, but for some reason it's not loading the designated texture even though the path should be correct

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when I go into the UV editor and go into View, then click the name of the texture, it says it cannot find the bitmap

stuck oyster Oct 11, 2020, 11:17 PM

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well your path is not correct

dusk frost Oct 11, 2020, 11:22 PM

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the path I see when I open the path browser to check is letter for letter the same as the path I see in windows explorer when I view the folder I'm keeping the textures in

stuck oyster Oct 11, 2020, 11:24 PM

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paste that path

dusk frost Oct 11, 2020, 11:26 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/194331573003223041/764992399549399060/unknown.png

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could it be that the file itself isn't being recognized?

stuck oyster Oct 11, 2020, 11:29 PM

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no I meant what path do you have in the p3d?

dusk frost Oct 11, 2020, 11:30 PM

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I thought I set it to be the same but I'll check

stuck oyster Oct 11, 2020, 11:31 PM

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copy paste the path here

dusk frost Oct 11, 2020, 11:34 PM

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this is what was set in blender P:\JSM\headgear\textures\stetson_brwns_co.tga

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I'm using the arma 3 toolbox plugin, it had that path in the material tab under "Arma Toolbox Material Settings"

stuck oyster Oct 11, 2020, 11:37 PM

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I just wanted to know what path it has in the p3d

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pls when asked provide what is asked

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cant help you if you keep dodging the question

dusk frost Oct 11, 2020, 11:45 PM

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I don't know where else I'd find the path

stuck oyster Oct 11, 2020, 11:47 PM

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in Object Builder

dusk frost Oct 11, 2020, 11:47 PM

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in the pane on the left-hand side?

stuck oyster Oct 11, 2020, 11:48 PM

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select your mesh and hit E

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or in the top bar tools theres soemwhere mass texture and material rename tool

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thats a good one to tell if your paths are right

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as if they are wrong they show up red

dusk frost Oct 11, 2020, 11:49 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/194331573003223041/764998054859374592/unknown.png this looks to be the same path to me

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could it be an issue with the rvmat?

stuck oyster Oct 11, 2020, 11:51 PM

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what does the "mass texture/material replace tool say?

dusk frost Oct 11, 2020, 11:53 PM

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both rvmat and tga are red

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but otherwise their paths are correct

stuck oyster Oct 11, 2020, 11:55 PM

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then possibly there is something wrong with your tools and/or P drive setup

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the path does look correct but the path being red in the tool dialog means OB can not read it

dusk frost Oct 11, 2020, 11:56 PM

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weird

stuck oyster Oct 11, 2020, 11:56 PM

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one thing to check would be OB settings and the path to textures variable

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it should be P:\

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📎 unknown.png

dusk frost Oct 11, 2020, 11:58 PM

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oh cool that fixed it

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although it looks a little weird, it's dark from above and light from below

stuck oyster Oct 12, 2020, 12:02 AM

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you may not have set up the toolbox with the O2Script path and the model exports wrong

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or normalmaps are not right

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or rvmat in general is not right

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many options

atomic path Oct 12, 2020, 8:17 PM

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Okay so this is probably the most cliche thing you can ask about here but:

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my custom vehicle get's launched on the orbit as soon as it spawns

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I have copied weight, memoryLOD, geometry and geometryphysX from another of my working vehicles

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what am I missing?

stuck oyster Oct 12, 2020, 8:27 PM

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memorypoint axis may have changed on the copypaste

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model.cfg connection might not be working either if therse typo somewhere

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and configs may have bug in physx

remote cedar Oct 13, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Hey guys, quick question. I'm making a custom mission and I know I can have custom audio / images without the players having to download any mods but can I also have custom 3D models just contained within the mission or is that beyond the scope of what is possible without mods?

clever solar Oct 13, 2020, 5:29 AM

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I can't figure out how to get this arma toolbox addon installed in Blender. I installed it under addons, it pops up on the bottom saying modules installed, but I can't find anything to activate...

clever solar Oct 13, 2020, 5:58 AM

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I tried adding the zip file first, says it is installed but can't find it, so unpacked zip and tried installing them individually, still says it's installed but doesn't show up

quick terrace Oct 13, 2020, 6:15 AM

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Hey guys, quick question. I'm making a custom mission and I know I can have custom audio / images without the players having to download any mods but can I also have custom 3D models
@Dr.Tyler O.#8992 nope

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I can’t figure out how to get this arma toolbox addon installed in Blender. I installed it under addons, it pops up on the bottom saying modules installed, but I can’t find anything to activate...
@clever solar from the same place you got that installed

stuck oyster Oct 13, 2020, 6:25 AM

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@crangu,depending on what button its downloaded from the zip might have one extra folder in it. So you may need to unzip it and rezip it from one folder up.

rough idol Oct 13, 2020, 7:33 AM

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@remote cedar you could try createSimpleObject - getting path to local p3d might be quite tricky though

silver zenith Oct 13, 2020, 7:37 AM

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Anyone knows why my model looks like its made of ice unless I remove the shadow Lod?

rough idol Oct 13, 2020, 7:59 AM

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open or non triangulated shadow lod?

silver zenith Oct 13, 2020, 7:59 AM

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nope, its pretty much a box and its smaller than the resolution lod

rough idol Oct 13, 2020, 8:00 AM

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pic

silver zenith Oct 13, 2020, 8:03 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/NdZrZK4

quick terrace Oct 13, 2020, 8:04 AM

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@remote cedar you could try createSimpleObject - getting path to local p3d might be quite tricky though
@rough idol last i checked, that doesn’t actually works - getting path from the mission file

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@silver zenith ingame pic is what he means, not blender

silver zenith Oct 13, 2020, 8:10 AM

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sure give me a few minutes to re-add the shadow lod

silver zenith Oct 13, 2020, 8:27 AM

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@rough idol
https://imgur.com/a/NdZrZK4
also there is not a proper shadow but a very vague one as you can see from the 3rd pic

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the model is perfectly fine if I remove the shadowlod so that's the problem, not sure how
I'll try to simplify it furter, maybe one of those edges have some cavity

rough idol Oct 13, 2020, 8:32 AM

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are you sure it's not some SMDI/ ASDHQ?

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how does it look when its fully in shadow (casted by building)?

silver zenith Oct 13, 2020, 8:34 AM

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basically like in the 3rd pic
completely grey
also that blue-ish tint on the 2nd pic moves along with the camera

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but could you specify what you mean with SMDI/ ASDHQ?

rough idol Oct 13, 2020, 8:36 AM

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it's not problem with shadow LOD then but with your materials

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could be fresnel, could be SMDI or it could ASDHQ/AO

silver zenith Oct 13, 2020, 8:36 AM

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basically like in the 3rd pic
completely grey
scratch that, being in a building makes no difference

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{
    texture = "coffin\data\transport_casket_smdi.paa";
    uvSource = "tex";
    class uvTransform
    {
        aside[] = {1,0,0};
        up[] = {0,1,0};
        dir[] = {0,0,0};
        pos[] = {0,0,0};
    };
};
class Stage6
{
    texture="#(ai,64,64,1)fresnel(3.21,4.01)";
    uvSource="none";
};```
this is my fresnel and SMDI
might have done some crime here I'm not too sure

hot hornet Oct 13, 2020, 8:41 AM

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Can you share the whole rvmat?

silver zenith Oct 13, 2020, 8:42 AM

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only if you promise not to beat me up for how bad it is

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surfaceInfo = "A3\data_f\Penetration\metal.bisurf";
ambient[] = {1,1,1,1};
diffuse[] = {1,1,1,1};
forcedDiffuse[] = {0,0,0,0};
emmisive[] = {0,0,0,1};
specular[] = {1,1,1,1};
specularPower = 110;
PixelShaderID = "Super";
VertexShaderID = "Super";
class Stage1
{ 
    texture = "coffin\data\transport_casket_NOHQ.paa";
    uvSource = "tex";
    class uvTransform
    {
        aside[] = {1,0,0};
        up[] = {0,1,0};
        dir[] = {0,0,0};
        pos[] = {0,0,0};
    };
};
class Stage2
{
    texture="#(argb,8,8,3)color(0.5,0.5,0.5,1,DT)";
    uvSource="tex";
    class uvTransform
    {
        aside[]={8,0,0};
        up[]={0,8,0};
        dir[]={0,0,0};
        pos[]={0,0,0};
    };
};
class Stage3
{
    texture="#(argb,8,8,3)color(0,0,0,0,MC)";
    uvSource = "tex";
    class uvTransform
    {
        aside[] = {1,0,0};
        up[] = {0,1,0};
        dir[] = {0,0,0};
        pos[] = {0,0,0};
    };
};
class Stage4
{
    texture = "coffin\data\transport_casket_AS.paa";
    uvSource = "tex";
    class uvTransform
    {
        aside[] = {1,0,0};
        up[] = {0,1,0};
        dir[] = {0,0,0};
        pos[] = {0,0,0};
    };
};
class Stage5
{
    texture = "coffin\data\transport_casket_smdi.paa";
    uvSource = "tex";
    class uvTransform
    {
        aside[] = {1,0,0};
        up[] = {0,1,0};
        dir[] = {0,0,0};
        pos[] = {0,0,0};
    };
};
class Stage6
{
    texture="#(ai,64,64,1)fresnel(3.21,4.01)";
    uvSource="none";
};
class Stage7
{
    texture="a3\data_f\env_land_co.paa";
    uvSource="none";
};```

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also @rough idol if it wasn't a shadow lod problem then why is there no shadow?

stuck oyster Oct 13, 2020, 10:12 AM

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Probs way too much specularity. Also the fresnel values seem odd.

clever solar Oct 13, 2020, 11:21 AM

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@crangu,depending on what button its downloaded from the zip might have one extra folder in it. So you may need to unzip it and rezip it from one folder up.
@stuck oyster Oooh I think I understand. I'll try that tonight.

white jay Oct 13, 2020, 1:22 PM

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Hello is there any model makers that are interested into become a model dev on my arma 3 Rp server we have 60 people in are discord Rn if you interested are dm me

quick terrace Oct 13, 2020, 1:26 PM

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@white jay wrong channel. also cross post

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might wanna have a look over #rules

junior saddle Oct 13, 2020, 3:01 PM

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What determines the size of bullet holes, like on a vehicle surface? Some are way oversized, and some are unperceivable. I've tried making uniform UVs for the Fire Geometry, but that didn't seem to work.

cunning temple Oct 13, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Is there much difference between dayz/ arma modelling? I mean terrain stuff buildings etc not weapons or cars. Or do you have to jump through loads of hoops to get it to work for dayz

quick terrace Oct 13, 2020, 4:40 PM

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different hoops

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modelling wise, not much difference

clever solar Oct 13, 2020, 5:31 PM

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I would assume mostly configs.. oh wait theres that special lighting system Arma has =p

cunning temple Oct 13, 2020, 5:46 PM

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yeah doubt its worth the hassle

clever solar Oct 13, 2020, 6:46 PM

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I mean if theres someone over there you could trust to dayz-ify it.. but I dont know who that would be.

stuck oyster Oct 13, 2020, 9:12 PM

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I dont think theres such people over the fence unfortunately. The people who had more knowhow seem to have quieted down quite a bit.

blissful spire Oct 13, 2020, 9:53 PM

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so, would anyone have an idea for why when i fire my tank, it crashes my game? Model.cfg, config and the actual model.p3d seems to be setup correctly. firing the MG works fine, its just firing a tank shell that causes the crash

blissful spire Oct 13, 2020, 10:45 PM

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nvm on my question. i solved it

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2020, 12:17 AM

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what was the solution?

median bough Oct 14, 2020, 12:34 AM

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@stuck oyster
pretty solid description of "solution"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solution

Solution

In chemistry, a solution is a special type of homogeneous mixture composed of two or more substances. In such a mixture, a solute is a substance dissolved in another substance, known as a solvent. The mixing process of a solution happens at a scale where the effects of chemica...

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😛

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2020, 1:09 AM

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not sure if that was the solution used though

median bough Oct 14, 2020, 1:09 AM

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that's up for debate 😄

blissful spire Oct 14, 2020, 1:15 AM

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@stuck oyster, i forgot to do a geo lod. so everytime i fired off a tank round, it would send me 400k+ MPH and crash my game

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2020, 1:18 AM

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👍

silver zenith Oct 14, 2020, 9:16 AM

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is it possible to create an old school 2d model that rotates along the camera?

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thinking about it it would need to be MP compatible

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trying to make a candle light
maybe I could make it like with arma grass
any tips?

quick terrace Oct 14, 2020, 9:41 AM

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you mean camera facing 2d sprite? unlikely, but don’t quote me on that

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you could have a couple of rotates sprites, having the same sort of end result

silver zenith Oct 14, 2020, 9:42 AM

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yeah thats what I meant with arma grass

quick terrace Oct 14, 2020, 9:42 AM

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does a3 grass works like that?

silver zenith Oct 14, 2020, 9:42 AM

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I think so
at least the a2 one was a 2-3 2d images rotated together

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would be weird if they modeled individual grass blades

quick terrace Oct 14, 2020, 10:01 AM

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you can check the a2 sources

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that’d be your best bet

strong plaza Oct 14, 2020, 10:04 AM

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at least the a2 one was a 2-3 2d images rotated together

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this has never been the case

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not in any arma game

silver zenith Oct 14, 2020, 10:04 AM

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oh my b then

strong plaza Oct 14, 2020, 10:06 AM

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wait

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what do you mean by rotated?

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that the plane tracks the camera like foliage in Oblivion?

silver zenith Oct 14, 2020, 10:07 AM

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oh no without tracking
just a bunch of 2d images rotated in various directions so that wherever you look at them it looks like there is something

strong plaza Oct 14, 2020, 10:07 AM

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ah

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well then yes

clever solar Oct 14, 2020, 10:12 AM

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Grass/clutter are objects, usually patches, you can pull up clutter objects in the editor I believe.. but terrain sets clutter via config, mixes the set models and theyre drawn a specified distance from player on client side.

quick terrace Oct 14, 2020, 10:38 AM

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what do you mean by rotated?
@strong plaza camera facing sprites is what he means

silver zenith Oct 14, 2020, 10:39 AM

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thats what I was hoping to have, not what the a2 grass does

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you can do that in the object inits with relative ease but I'm not sure how impactful that would be for performance and not sure how I could make it MP compatible

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guess I could do something like this?

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https://imgur.com/a/iKtbOxr

quick terrace Oct 14, 2020, 10:43 AM

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yes, you can even have that animated afaik

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the flame that is

silver zenith Oct 14, 2020, 10:44 AM

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you mean particle system or a gif?

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2020, 11:28 AM

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Neither.

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On the model

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If you want more coverage use 3 crossed planes

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2 crossing should suffice though

rough idol Oct 14, 2020, 11:30 AM

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use basicFade as shader

runic plover Oct 14, 2020, 11:49 AM

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Grass are crossed planes and defined as something in the model geometry like trees are

clever solar Oct 14, 2020, 1:36 PM

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Oh I misunderstood what he meant =x

orchid spruce Oct 14, 2020, 4:42 PM

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is it possible for a model.cfg animation use multiple sources? like source1 * source2 or something? or is there no possibilities for any kind of math or any kind of logic?

neat yacht Oct 14, 2020, 5:07 PM

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does anyone have an IZLID model they’re willing to share, it’s like a handheld laser pointer

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2020, 7:09 PM

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@orchid spruce no

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@neat yacht unlikely

keen prism Oct 14, 2020, 7:27 PM

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How does Arma decice that Bridges are connected ? They are connected if I use the new roadsConnectedTo with extended=true but not without. Since the performance difference is quite heavy, I'd like to fix that issue.

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I've tried moving around memory Points to no avail

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(The Bridge is not a TRAIL) ["MAIN ROAD",0,false,"a3\data_f\surfaces\betonout.paa","","",[6842.82,5043.32,11.8631],[6871.56,5069.26,11.8619],true]

foggy finch Oct 14, 2020, 7:40 PM

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it uses the roadway lod in the model

keen prism Oct 14, 2020, 7:40 PM

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So extend that a little bit for more intersection ?

foggy finch Oct 14, 2020, 7:40 PM

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in TB/buldozer using lappihuans script you can enable the road tool part to check connections

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either extend the roadway lod, or the shapefile spline end iirc

keen prism Oct 14, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Explains the visual issue on the map aswell I suppose: https://i.imgur.com/Fai1dKn.png

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Thanks!

foggy finch Oct 14, 2020, 7:42 PM

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np, good luck 🙂

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2020, 8:00 PM

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There are also memorypoints that define the driveway

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Roadway lod defines only the surface where you can walk

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Afaik.

blissful spire Oct 14, 2020, 10:08 PM

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ok im back again. any idea on what would cause a failure to swap to driver seat for a vehicle?

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2020, 10:20 PM

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wrong compartment setup perhaps

blissful spire Oct 14, 2020, 10:20 PM

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no compartment has been set in the configs. although i cant actually get in to the tank from the exterior either. so its probably just something else

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2020, 10:21 PM

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missing actions?

blissful spire Oct 14, 2020, 10:22 PM

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thats a possibility actually

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although im using the tank from the A3 samples, and im pretty sure they dont have the driver actions selected. edit, yeah it doenst have them in the tank sample config

blissful spire Oct 14, 2020, 10:45 PM

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ok, so i added the driveraction from the car sample, and it didnt work

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very strange. even though for the car getInAction works, i had to make it driverInAction and now it works

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2020, 10:57 PM

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you need both

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getin/outActions ar for the get in and out fucntions

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the driver/gunner/cargo actions for the passenger poses

keen prism Oct 14, 2020, 11:17 PM

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I was able to fix it @foggy finch by repacking the map with the memory points mentioned by @stuck oyster Thanks a lot! Looks so much better now. https://i.imgur.com/rC79dZu.png And is fully connected in the road network.

junior saddle Oct 15, 2020, 1:46 PM

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Ok... Skipping the bullet hole question and moving on to another hit-related modeling subtopic, possibly. How do I make a car sit on its bare rims after the tires are destroyed? I have one car where the rims are sunk in the ground, and another where they are hovering above it.

rough idol Oct 15, 2020, 1:52 PM

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There are config params for damages and destroyed wheels

junior saddle Oct 15, 2020, 5:51 PM

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ok. sorry for wrong channel

cyan wagon Oct 15, 2020, 8:29 PM

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So i am new to importing models into arma, i just created a pair of defcon vans (pair of shoes) from scratch and id like to import them into game. Can anyone walk me through in DMs or link me somewhere that can explain the process?

bold flare Oct 15, 2020, 8:31 PM

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basically (my way) export as fbx, then import fbx in object Builder from arma 3 Tools

cyan wagon Oct 15, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Hmm and How can i go about getting a character model to correctly size and place these onto?

stuck oyster Oct 15, 2020, 10:08 PM

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you cant have shoes only

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you would need whole character

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Arma gear consists of full body "uniform", vest, headgear, eyewear, backpack and, nvg and guns

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and there are no source uniforms to use

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only a "naked" underwear example character

junior saddle Oct 16, 2020, 12:35 AM

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Basically, that means you'd have to create the whole basic outfit to go with those Vans. There may be a work-around, though. If the Vans are big enough to cover over sandals or other shoes, there may be the option to put them in one of the sub-categories, like vests. I've seen this be done with leg straps on vests and/or backpacks, so why not shoes? I may be wrong, but there may even be some vanilla combinations already dressed, but with no shoes on. As long as the shoes are assigned to the proper feet vertices, then a shoe-vest on the feet is still possible.

cyan wagon Oct 16, 2020, 12:47 AM

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So could I theoretically use the underwear model character to at least get the sizing and have everything properly set up to get into game? Then eventually if i can get some creators to collaborate move onto full uniform stuff?

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My biggest concern right now is just getting the sizing and placement correct to even be used as a shoes asset

blissful spire Oct 16, 2020, 12:51 AM

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there a better tutorial on doing hit geos? ive made sure my fire geo lod was closed/convex but i still get the dirt pen effect when i fire at my model (just copied my geo lod which works).

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ok. i convexed via component convex hull and now its making my geos non-closed. any help?

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2020, 1:12 AM

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sometimes reducing points in the components helps

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or wiggling some of the non closed ones around

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especially multiple points on flat plane are problematic

blissful spire Oct 16, 2020, 1:16 AM

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its just weird that when i use the component convex hull it makes my faces open

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ill just delete the components and let obj build them

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2020, 1:17 AM

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the automatio can not process all shapes/pointclouds they produce

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que?

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that wont work

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obj buidler does not automatically build geometry components

blissful spire Oct 16, 2020, 1:18 AM

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ah

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2020, 1:18 AM

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you are responsible for all lods

blissful spire Oct 16, 2020, 1:23 AM

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this is confusing lol

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i jiggled the face that kept being opened when i convexed things and now everything is working again.

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although i have a Cannot generate ST coordinates in my selections now though in my fire geo

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2020, 1:26 AM

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remove UVs from it

blissful spire Oct 16, 2020, 1:31 AM

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is there some reason why my selections woudnt remain in the list?

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nvm/.

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that worked

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thanks goat

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2020, 1:46 AM

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👌

blissful spire Oct 16, 2020, 1:51 AM

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i still gotta tweak everything, but im pretty stoked about it

orchid spruce Oct 16, 2020, 8:51 AM

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I've been looking at the BI wiki on vehicle armor and I was wondering, is there any real difference between having just one fire geometry component for like the hull of a vehicle and then just applying different thickness armor materials to different polygons and having actual separate components that are modeled in the correct thickness?

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assuming the thickness would be represented the same in both ways

quick terrace Oct 16, 2020, 8:56 AM

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if thickness would be represented the same way no

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but you won’t be able to that with a single geo mesh anyways

orchid spruce Oct 16, 2020, 8:59 AM

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why not? couldn't I just have different thickness materials applied to different polygons?

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like for example the polygons on the front would have a 40mm material and polygons on the sides would have a 20mm material

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2020, 9:03 AM

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about the same amount of work

orchid spruce Oct 16, 2020, 9:05 AM

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doesn't seem like the same amount of work to me, making components means you have to make a bunch of different pieces, make sure they are all the correct thickness and are lined up properly

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as opposed to a single component that's just made generally in the same shape as the vehicle and then it's just the case of clicking on polygons in object builder and applying materials

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2020, 9:22 AM

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well you have to make a blob and select each face and set different material on them

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or you make a blob and make duplicate and scale it down for the inner faces and split and convex them as needed

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Id wager amount of clicks stays very similar

rough idol Oct 16, 2020, 9:24 AM

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@orchid spruce you can only assign one material per component - multiple ones are not working

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2020, 9:25 AM

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ah

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well there you go then

orchid spruce Oct 16, 2020, 9:32 AM

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oh really? so if a single component has multiple materials, will the game just pick one and use that one for the whole component?

rough idol Oct 16, 2020, 9:35 AM

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Yeah, at least that's what I've observed when trying to do reflectors with one glass face

quick terrace Oct 16, 2020, 10:07 AM

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why not? couldn't I just have different thickness materials applied to different polygons?
@orchid spruce how are you gonna keep convexity for one

orchid spruce Oct 16, 2020, 10:07 AM

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well the whole component would still be convex

quick terrace Oct 16, 2020, 10:08 AM

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it’s much more complicated that way

silver zenith Oct 16, 2020, 10:08 AM

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hey guys got a question
I accidentally overwritten a p3d onto another p3d
is there a way to restore the lost model?

polar fiber Oct 16, 2020, 10:13 AM

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@orchid spruce the component needs to be closed and convex. Components with different sections assigned to different faces are not closed. If you apply a texture (or apply a retexture selection like "camo" and apply hiddenSelectionsTexture) to parts of a shadow LOD you will likewise see that the geometry is no longer treated as closed and you get all the weird shadow artefacts ingame

orchid spruce Oct 16, 2020, 10:14 AM

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so arma treats each polygon with a different material as a separate component?

foggy finch Oct 16, 2020, 10:17 AM

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it treats each mesh in a LOD as a component.

orchid spruce Oct 16, 2020, 10:17 AM

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I'm talking about if it's a single closed convex component that has different materials applied to different polygons

quick terrace Oct 16, 2020, 10:17 AM

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hey guys got a question
I accidentally overwritten a p3d onto another p3d
is there a way to restore the lost model?
@silver zenith nope

orchid spruce Oct 16, 2020, 10:17 AM

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since it is possible to apply materials to single polygons in object builder

foggy finch Oct 16, 2020, 10:18 AM

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just because its possible doesnt mean it works 🙂

silver zenith Oct 16, 2020, 10:18 AM

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@quick terrace thanks😭

orchid spruce Oct 16, 2020, 10:18 AM

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I know I'm just trying to understand how arma might behave if it was done like that

quick terrace Oct 16, 2020, 10:18 AM

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single polygons = i assume you mean single face

orchid spruce Oct 16, 2020, 10:18 AM

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yes

quick terrace Oct 16, 2020, 10:20 AM

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it’s about components

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we are still talking about geo lods

orchid spruce Oct 16, 2020, 10:20 AM

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https://prnt.sc/v0h3e2 here's an example of what I'm talking about, this is a single component and I could theoretically select just this one polygon of that component and apply a material only to this polygon

quick terrace Oct 16, 2020, 10:20 AM

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in this case fire lod yes?

orchid spruce Oct 16, 2020, 10:20 AM

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yes I'm talking about fire lods

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since that's where materials matter

quick terrace Oct 16, 2020, 10:21 AM

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as in bisurfs

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as reyhard said, engine will not know

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which material to use

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for that single component

orchid spruce Oct 16, 2020, 10:22 AM

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so then how might it behave? just pick one of the materials and use it for the whole component?

quick terrace Oct 16, 2020, 10:22 AM

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if it has multiple rvmats assigned

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one separate bisurf per component

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so then how might it behave? just pick one of the materials and use it for the whole component?
@orchid spruce no idea, you can test it out obviously

orchid spruce Oct 16, 2020, 10:34 AM

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on a similar note, how does arma treat the materials that aren't those specific width armor plates in fire geometry? like if something just has a cast iron material, will it then assume that the whole component is just a cast iron block? or will it act as if the surface is cast iron but the inside is hollow?

foggy finch Oct 16, 2020, 10:51 AM

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it depends on how the bisurf the material uses is set up.
there's a few snippets on the biki regarding bisurfs:
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/RVMAT_basics#Physical_properties
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Config_Properties_Megalist#BISURF_properties
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Bullet_penetrability

Bullet penetrability

RVMAT basics

Config Properties Megalist

orchid spruce Oct 16, 2020, 10:56 AM

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so if a bisurf has no thickness specificed, will arma treat any component using that bisurf as just a solid block made from that material?

foggy finch Oct 16, 2020, 10:57 AM

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depends on density and bulletPenetrability/bulletPenetrabilityWithThickness and if Thickness is defined or not.

orchid spruce Oct 16, 2020, 11:00 AM

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I'm talking about if thickness is not defined

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I mainly don't understand if it treats that component as having a surface made out of that material with the inside being hollow

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or as just a block of that material that isn't hollow

foggy finch Oct 16, 2020, 11:01 AM

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If the fire geometry is thinner than the Thickness value, the actual geometry thickness is used instead. If the fire geometry is thicker, the Thickness value overrides it and is used. The game does take into account LOS thickness by evaluating an incoming projectile's angle-of-incidence (relative to the geometry normal).
From 3rd link ^^

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it treats the whole component as that material with its bisurf properties taken into account.

orchid spruce Oct 16, 2020, 11:02 AM

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as if it's not hollow?

foggy finch Oct 16, 2020, 11:04 AM

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engine will see entire component as the material applied to it, with the conditions in the mat+bisruf attached

orchid spruce Oct 16, 2020, 11:04 AM

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that would explain why some A2 ported vehicles have odd damage behaviour since those have fire geometry with the entire hull with just a single bisurf assigned that usually does not have a thickness specified

foggy finch Oct 16, 2020, 11:04 AM

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so if your component is thinner than the thickness value the geo thickness will be used, if it is thicker the Thickness value is used.

orchid spruce Oct 16, 2020, 11:05 AM

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if it treats the entire hull as just a block of steel

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ok but for the third time, I'm talking about if thickness isn't specified

foggy finch Oct 16, 2020, 11:08 AM

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iirc if no thickness in bisurf it will use the geometry thickness against some math with the material density

polar fiber Oct 16, 2020, 11:09 AM

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If the thickness is not specified in the bisurf, it uses the physical thickness of the component

orchid spruce Oct 16, 2020, 11:10 AM

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so I imagine if the hull of a tank was just a single component with an iron material that has no specified thickness applied, that might be a bit hard to penetrate

polar fiber Oct 16, 2020, 11:10 AM

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Tanks_Config_Guidelines#Damage_handling https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Damage_Description

Arma 3 Damage Description

Arma 3 Tanks Config Guidelines

orchid spruce Oct 16, 2020, 11:10 AM

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if the game then assumes that shots are hitting a giant solid block of iron that's like 6 meters thick

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2020, 2:47 PM

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That would be the case yes. Best to put in the effort of making good firegeometry

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As with anything else Arma modding related, there are no good shortcuts

clever solar Oct 16, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Btw armatoolbox showed up after I restarted Blender...

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

idle umbra Oct 16, 2020, 8:31 PM

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Hello, i do weight paint on this model using blender. then when i export to p3d, all name selection will select vertices on the circles in picture. how do i fix it?
https://imgur.com/tdt5Fti

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2020, 8:34 PM

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Make better weightpainting in blender

idle umbra Oct 16, 2020, 8:36 PM

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i double check all group, it is 0 weight on that area except pelvis, spine, and right/leg up.

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2020, 8:37 PM

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The export does not add weights,it just exports what you have.

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Maybe you have some modifier that messes it up

idle umbra Oct 16, 2020, 8:38 PM

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Maybe you have some modifier that messes it up
@stuck oyster already remove armature modifier before export. hurmm

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btw, im using fhq arma toolbox and macser arma rig

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2020, 8:53 PM

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Yeah those should work

blazing berry Oct 17, 2020, 3:02 AM

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My first underwear test for women... https://i.imgur.com/kpuSNxv.jpg
For now several things to correct, but it looks good.

idle umbra Oct 17, 2020, 11:56 AM

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Hello, i do weight paint on this model using blender. then when i export to p3d, all name selection will select vertices on the circles in picture. how do i fix it?
https://imgur.com/tdt5Fti
or is it because max bone for arma is 4?

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 12:15 PM

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should not.

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as far as I've seen the exporter exports what you have on your model

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 1:56 PM

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any reason why my model that has no shadowVolume is casting a smooth shadow?
I though you needed a named property for that, which it hasn't

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 1:58 PM

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does it have shadow lods?

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 1:58 PM

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no

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 1:58 PM

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thats probably it then

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model debug can properly start only after it has all necessary parts

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 1:59 PM

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doesn't it usually just not cast a shadow when there is no shadow lod?

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 1:59 PM

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no

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if there is empty shadow lod then it casts no shadow

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:00 PM

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oh I see thanks

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:00 PM

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at least thats my recollection

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:02 PM

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speaking of which
what could be the reason my shadowVolume, which is a simple closed, triangulated and sharpened box that is smaller than the res lod, doesn't cast a shadow but darkens the model?

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:06 PM

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you sure it darkens the model?

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:06 PM

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yeah its like its completely under shadow

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:06 PM

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pics would be good

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always

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when talking about model problems

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:07 PM

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yeah making them as we speak

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:07 PM

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as what you see might not be what you think it is

gray bronze Oct 17, 2020, 2:07 PM

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doesn't it cast shadow if there are low enough polys?

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:08 PM

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it is a 1k object

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https://imgur.com/a/hGBs0Nc

gray bronze Oct 17, 2020, 2:09 PM

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no idea then, I'm just a newbie to all this, it's taken me weeks of wrangling to get my weapon model working mostly

woeful viper Oct 17, 2020, 2:09 PM

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your shading is wrong

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:09 PM

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no worries thanks anyway

woeful viper Oct 17, 2020, 2:09 PM

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thats not a shadow from shadowlod

sage stag Oct 17, 2020, 2:10 PM

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i have an unbinarised model at P:\ca\foo\bar.p3d but oxygen refuses to show it when proxied. what might i be missing?

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:10 PM

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@woeful viper you mean its rvmat related?

woeful viper Oct 17, 2020, 2:10 PM

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no, model - smoothing groups

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at least thats what it looks like

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:10 PM

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possibly exported without O2script in place so vertex normals are all wonky

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and yeah may need some hard edges on it

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:11 PM

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but the edges are curved

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:12 PM

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so you want it to be smooth?

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:12 PM

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yeah its pretty much entirely smooth

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also if I remove the shadowlod and it uses the smooth shadow the shading looks fine

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:12 PM

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show what it looks like in OB viewport with texture enabled

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:13 PM

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do I need tgas for that?

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never enabled textures tbh, not even sure how to do it

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:14 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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this view

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and no tgas

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I want to see this exactly

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📎 unknown.png

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:15 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/hGBs0Nc

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yeah UVs are a crime but the end texture doesnt look too bad

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:16 PM

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these are same pics as last time?

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:16 PM

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on the bottom

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:16 PM

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have 2 pics

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:16 PM

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weird

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https://imgur.com/77KbRuV

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https://imgur.com/a/2o47sX4
this is how it looks with now shadowVolume

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:18 PM

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alright so you will still want hard edges on the flat surfaces

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but also

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this should not have 1000k tris

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:18 PM

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oh no it shouldn't at all

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but why are there no shading issues in the 2nd pic?

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:20 PM

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its not the same shading environment

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did you check it in buldozer?

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:21 PM

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never opened buldozer

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though it was for map making?

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:21 PM

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so what lods does the problematic pic have?

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how have you not heard OB uses buldozer to preview models?

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:22 PM

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huh
that
would be useful

quick terrace Oct 17, 2020, 2:23 PM

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...

gray bronze Oct 17, 2020, 2:23 PM

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To be fair bulldozer is not easy to setup, I tried and failed twice. Easier to test in game than it is to get bulldozer running.

quick terrace Oct 17, 2020, 2:23 PM

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there is a minimum requirement for testing all meshes
res lod
svlod
geo lod

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:23 PM

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svlod?

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oh shadowvolume

quick terrace Oct 17, 2020, 2:24 PM

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To be fair bulldozer is not easy to setup, I tried and failed twice. Easier to test in game than it is to get bulldozer running.
@gray bronze it is really straightforward if your p drive is also set correctly

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:24 PM

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👆

gray bronze Oct 17, 2020, 2:26 PM

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Good guides are hard to come by, I'm amazed I've gotten as far as I have lol. I do have mikeros tools though, haven't tried his P drive setup utility yet.

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:26 PM

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you should start with that

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if you have not it means 98% certainty that your development environment has problems in it

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:28 PM

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ok so I've just installed it

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:28 PM

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mmm

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installed what?

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:28 PM

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bulldozer
is it located in the p drive?

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:28 PM

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why you toooo

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you have not used arma3p to setup P drive?

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:30 PM

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uhm
don't think so?

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:30 PM

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🙈

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I mean this starts to get to me

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I mention setting up the tools with Arma3P every week

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many times

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:31 PM

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oh wait I did setup the p with arma3p
but I used armatools for buldozer

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:31 PM

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dont do that

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arma3p sets that up for you so buldozer is run from the actual arma exe

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buldozer exe is basically just a copy of the game exe

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that is run with certain launch parameters

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but its simpler to run it from the games own files instead of copied files that may or may not be same version as your game

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:33 PM

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oh so I messed up
any way to revert back to the arma3p version that I didn't know I had?

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:34 PM

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you can manually set the path in OB settings

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or run arma3p again

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:35 PM

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is it called external viwer in OB?

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:37 PM

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yes

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:38 PM

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oh does it apply istantly?
didn't even restart OB
https://imgur.com/a/2FIjVIN
yeah now its shaded weirdly in OB

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:39 PM

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ok so this is when it exports wrong from blender

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and the vertex normals get pooped

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do you have O2Script.exe path set in Blender Toolbox

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:40 PM

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I'm not too sure

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:41 PM

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then you probably do not

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if you dont have it, exports will always break

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:41 PM

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mhmm
I've had exports that worked though

gray bronze Oct 17, 2020, 2:42 PM

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I don't have anything set, pretty sure and never had problems exporting.

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:42 PM

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fine dont believe me and dont fix that 😛

gray bronze Oct 17, 2020, 2:42 PM

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Lol

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I have had flipped normals, but that was because the model in blender also had flipped normals

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:43 PM

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people are constantly fighting me with all these basic stuffs because "it works"

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:43 PM

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its not that I don't believe you
but maybe it only breaks on certain conditions
or maybe I did installed it and don't remember

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I can't really ignore the fact that it did work at least once

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:43 PM

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yeah there are conditions

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but right now it breaks because your models is like it is

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and it would work if setup was right

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:44 PM

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yeah I'm looking up how to set this exe correctly

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:44 PM

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its in the addons list

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in Blender

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:46 PM

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don't see it

gray bronze Oct 17, 2020, 2:47 PM

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Thing I've had most issue with are weapon animations, arma is a fickle beast.

stuck oyster Oct 17, 2020, 2:47 PM

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📎 unknown.png

silver zenith Oct 17, 2020, 2:48 PM

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oh I'm dumb, tghough it was an extra plugin

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that fixed the shadow problem @stuck oyster
I just realized I had this same problem with a lot of other models and I though I was just bad at making simple sharp boxes until now

runic plover Oct 17, 2020, 7:53 PM

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oh does it apply istantly?
didn't even restart OB
https://imgur.com/a/2FIjVIN
yeah now its shaded weirdly in OB
@silver zenith F5

clever solar Oct 18, 2020, 5:37 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/46pABkc fixed it(btw if you put a link within brackets, it doesn't embed.. that's helpful)

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my house so far.. have to break link because stupid discords imbedding

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nice, and if you copy it it adds a timestamp... I give up lol

idle umbra Oct 18, 2020, 5:40 PM

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hello, did u guys rig soldier for shadow lod?

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i mean weight painting again for shadow lod? or just transfer weight?

snow crag Oct 18, 2020, 6:24 PM

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I've noticed an issue recently where if I slightly alter a buildings geometry, its placement on the map changes. Is there any fix to that?

stuck oyster Oct 18, 2020, 6:47 PM

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@idle umbra depends what you are doing. Using the default characters shadow can be quite useful if your mesh is fits with it.

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If you do custom shadow mesh then yeah it will need to move exactly with the rest of your mesh so it will need exactly same weighting

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@snow crag you can add fake centering points that keep the dimension of a building the same. Or use autocenter 0 named property to disable that behaviour.

What building are you editing? If there are already many placed down then pretty much anything you do will mess them up

snow crag Oct 18, 2020, 6:52 PM

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One of the buildings we were working on fixing some missing geometry on the chimney and roof so people can't walk or fall thru anymore and we added distance lods. Seems like some of the buildings have moved a few feet and some changed height slightly

stuck oyster Oct 18, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Are these custom buildings?

snow crag Oct 18, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Yes

stuck oyster Oct 18, 2020, 6:53 PM

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And the auto entering reads all lods and centers the object accordingly. Basically models should be fully ready before they are placed on map

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Or designed with autocenter off

snow crag Oct 18, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Good to know for the future. These buildings have been on the map for over a year but I wanted to optimize them with distance lods, fix the geometry and fire geometry etc

stuck oyster Oct 18, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Expect pain and misery.

snow crag Oct 18, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Almost feels not worth it 😂

idle umbra Oct 18, 2020, 7:02 PM

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@stuck oyster tq dude

stuck oyster Oct 18, 2020, 7:03 PM

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well broken badly made object is worse

snow crag Oct 18, 2020, 7:12 PM

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This is true

snow crag Oct 19, 2020, 12:55 AM

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@stuck oyster Sorry to bother you, what was the option to disable auto centering?

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I have found that the boundingCenter is different for the two models, trying to see if there's a way I can set the bounding center based on the old array pos

stuck oyster Oct 19, 2020, 12:59 AM

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only if you create fake points around the model so that its bound center gets altered

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there is wiki page for named properties

snow crag Oct 19, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Ok I will definitely look more into this before we decide to just move hundreds of buildings

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Thank you for your help

ivory grove Oct 19, 2020, 3:19 PM

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How necessary are lower poly resolution LODS?

stuck oyster Oct 19, 2020, 3:20 PM

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very

woeful viper Oct 19, 2020, 5:20 PM

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4 on a scale of 0 to 6

jolly ermine Oct 19, 2020, 6:33 PM

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on a scale of 1-10 what would u rate this vehicle interms of difficulty to model

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ah kinda hard to showcase it when u cant post pics

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anyway, its the CV9040C

stuck oyster Oct 19, 2020, 6:43 PM

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its not really any more difficult than modeling anything else

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just time consuming to make all small details in right scale

jolly ermine Oct 19, 2020, 6:50 PM

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how much time would it take for a experienced modeller?

stuck oyster Oct 19, 2020, 7:06 PM

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hard to say. its very broad subject

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but also does it matter?

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if you need internals then you make internals

quick terrace Oct 19, 2020, 7:10 PM

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@stuck oyster because he wants someone else to do that for him - https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/292271129303842817/766347414760063047

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@jolly ermine my dude, ask you a3 modelling question if you want to, but again this channel is called #arma3_model for a reason - it is for people actually making stuff

silver zenith Oct 19, 2020, 7:11 PM

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I'd worry less about time and more about how much it would cost, wich would be a lot

jolly ermine Oct 19, 2020, 7:12 PM

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I see, thank you guys

quick terrace Oct 19, 2020, 7:13 PM

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at proper market level, somewhere inbetween 2000-3000 US, EU or UK monetary units

clever solar Oct 19, 2020, 9:04 PM

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@snow crag honestly I would just fix what you need to fix with your buildings, once you are done, get the location of one of them, move it where you need to, get the difference, then you can just run a script to move all of those objects where you need to move them.

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All it is is numbers

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Ive done something similar-ish. I expanded a terrain I was working on, and wanted to place what I already started at the north-east corner of the map, so I just figured the difference and adjusted all the object locations via script. I think Adanteh has something available for that.

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Appologies if Im misunderstanding and spamming btw

keen prism Oct 19, 2020, 11:52 PM

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I gotta ask since documentation about creating bridges is pretty sparse. I have a bridge which consists of 2 different roads. Do I have to make the bridge an intersection or can a bridge contain 2 different roads ? the whole (LB, PB, LE, PE) thing seems pretty undocumented

stuck oyster Oct 20, 2020, 12:30 AM

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it cannot contain 2 different roads

keen prism Oct 20, 2020, 1:05 AM

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Thanks I'll make it an intersection then :)

jolly ermine Oct 20, 2020, 3:57 PM

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@quick terrace as in usd euro and pounds???????????????????????? thats actually insane

median bough Oct 20, 2020, 5:11 PM

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it is not.
the average hourly wage of a 3D artist (freelancer) is €60,- and a model, depending on the detail level, can easily consume +60h of work

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most people seem to forget some basic variable in those calculations:
you are not paying somebody because he/she can do it in (fictional) 20h, you are paying the persons years to learn the skills to do it in 20h

silver zenith Oct 20, 2020, 5:25 PM

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stupid question
but when people say 60 an hour
you're paying them 60 for an hour of work right?
and not just let them make it and pay them on how much it took

rich bluff Oct 20, 2020, 5:26 PM

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typically

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they'll give you an estimate

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and then an hourly rate

silver zenith Oct 20, 2020, 5:28 PM

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yeah that makes sense
because without an estimate someone could take 3h of work for something that took 1
but I guess freelancers are a very varied group

quick terrace Oct 20, 2020, 6:12 PM

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@quick terrace as in usd euro and pounds???????????????????????? thats actually insane
@jolly ermine lol dude...50h min work multiplied by a min of 50/h

woeful viper Oct 20, 2020, 6:15 PM

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maybe we can settle for 50€/m ? 😄

quick terrace Oct 20, 2020, 6:23 PM

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maybe we can settle for 50€/m ? 😄
@woeful viper mm

woeful viper Oct 20, 2020, 6:24 PM

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no problem 0,05€/mm sounds good 😄

clever solar Oct 20, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Ill make incomplete models for 45/hr hmu

subtle bison Oct 20, 2020, 9:14 PM

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can anyone tell me how exactly the beacons work on vanilla vehicles? UserAction will enable it and trigger the light on/off, that part is easy. my problem is that i have no idea how to enable/disable the light from the Reflectors class

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like, right now, if i don't enable the beacon and just enable the vehicle light .. my reflector class will also be enabled by default

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while in vanilla vehicles, the beacons will not be on unless you actually use the useraction

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ok, i have an idea now... let's try

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ok, got it ... thanks folks :>

clever solar Oct 21, 2020, 12:32 AM

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np

silver zenith Oct 21, 2020, 9:40 AM

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you're welcome

subtle bison Oct 21, 2020, 7:39 PM

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CUP has a truck with a zu23 on the back. i noticed that its up/down angle is limited as soon as you point the barrel in direction of the driver cabin (can't shoot through it). can anyone tell me how that was done?

polar fiber Oct 21, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Same way it's done for FFV, limitsArray

subtle bison Oct 21, 2020, 8:52 PM

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hmm cant really find it in the config

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ok, i think i found it now

polar fiber Oct 21, 2020, 8:58 PM

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should be in class Turrets>>class ####>>class TurnIn etc.

subtle bison Oct 21, 2020, 9:02 PM

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yeah, for some reason i couldnt find it in the ingame config browser. but after checking the unpacked config file directly i saw it right away

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is there a way to get the current angle via script?

rough idol Oct 21, 2020, 9:18 PM

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/diag_recordTurretLimits

diag recordTurretLimits

subtle bison Oct 21, 2020, 9:19 PM

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thanks

thorny coral Oct 21, 2020, 11:06 PM

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Yo I've got a model made but I need someone to add a pistol proxy to it and help me put it into arma, if you've got experience in this could you shoot me a DM and I'll get back to you 🙂

median bough Oct 21, 2020, 11:14 PM

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@thorny coral
yo, this will help you
https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/207631-from-blender-to-arma-3-complete-process-tutorial/

Bohemia Interactive Forums

From Blender to ArmA 3 - Complete process tutorial

Hello, As I had many requests, I did this all-in-one tutorial I am sharing today. I hope it will be helpful to you. All important stages are available in videos description. I will try to make more tutorials in the future, so dont hesitate to guide me to parts of the videos th...

thorny coral Oct 21, 2020, 11:20 PM

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Yeah I'm looking to hire someone that already knows how to do it because I don't understand at all whats going on in that video, I've watched it but idk. Is is the same thing for a vest model? you do the same things?

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and still doesn't help me know how to place and sort out the proxy's that I need

thorny coral Oct 22, 2020, 12:35 AM

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Anyone know what this means? Happens when I try to export the file as a .p3d file

  File "C:\Users\Jonat\AppData\Roaming\Blender Foundation\Blender\2.90\scripts\addons\ArmaToolbox\__init__.py", line 223, in execute
    exportMDL(self, filePtr, self.selectionOnly);
  File "C:\Users\Jonat\AppData\Roaming\Blender Foundation\Blender\2.90\scripts\addons\ArmaToolbox\..\ArmaToolbox\MDLexporter.py", line 511, in exportMDL
    export_lod(filePtr, obj, wm, idx)
  File "C:\Users\Jonat\AppData\Roaming\Blender Foundation\Blender\2.90\scripts\addons\ArmaToolbox\..\ArmaToolbox\MDLexporter.py", line 423, in export_lod
    writeFaces(filePtr, obj, mesh)
  File "C:\Users\Jonat\AppData\Roaming\Blender Foundation\Blender\2.90\scripts\addons\ArmaToolbox\..\ArmaToolbox\MDLexporter.py", line 111, in writeFaces
    raise RuntimeError("Model " + obj.name + " contains n-gons and cannot be exported")
RuntimeError: Model 0 contains n-gons and cannot be exported

location: <unknown location>:-1```

gray bronze Oct 22, 2020, 12:54 AM

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Need to triangulate the model ctr-t in edit mode

median bough Oct 22, 2020, 12:55 AM

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contains n-gons and cannot be exported
google might have tuts on how to convert n-gons to tris

foggy finch Oct 22, 2020, 12:57 AM

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ngons are made of tris, just triangulate asset on/before exporting.

thorny coral Oct 22, 2020, 1:29 AM

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thx guys, also I've got it into object builder now but it's gone wonky does that matter? like it's not flat to the grid

foggy finch Oct 22, 2020, 1:34 AM

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gone wonky?

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imgur link a screencap

thorny coral Oct 22, 2020, 1:36 AM

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https://gyazo.com/914044f2ffa5e279c32d3445c40fb11f

foggy finch Oct 22, 2020, 1:38 AM

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wierd, did you apply scaling/transforms before you exported out of blender?

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your vest is huge in scale in OB, each grid square in OB is 1m.

thorny coral Oct 22, 2020, 1:39 AM

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idk I've never worked with blender or anything I got the model made for me and I've just kept it now it came

median bough Oct 22, 2020, 1:40 AM

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this vest looks familiar....

foggy finch Oct 22, 2020, 1:41 AM

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might need to wait til someone who uses blender comes online, I use 3dsmax so cant help you with blender issues, but the non-application of scale prior to export seems to be a recurring thing when people new to modelling export to arma for the first time.

gray bronze Oct 22, 2020, 1:42 AM

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Ctrl-A to apply transforms (location, rotation etc) before export

thorny coral Oct 22, 2020, 1:45 AM

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anyone know how to get a character model in blender so I can scale it to the right size?

gray bronze Oct 22, 2020, 1:46 AM

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https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/161228-armarig-for-blender/

foggy finch Oct 22, 2020, 1:46 AM

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download the Arma 3 Samples sample data on steam, there is test_character folder in there.

gray bronze Oct 22, 2020, 1:46 AM

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That too

foggy finch Oct 22, 2020, 1:46 AM

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it also includes sample configs, which you will need to reference to get your asset in game.

thorny coral Oct 22, 2020, 1:53 AM

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ty I gotta figure out how to get to that step first

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I just got the model on the refrance dummy and the scales fine it's just when it gets put in ob it goes really big?