#arma3_model | ARMA | Page 153

woeful viper Jul 4, 2020, 10:42 PM

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normally the answer is no. Depending on what you need, you may still be able to achieve it but depends on what you need

stuck oyster Jul 4, 2020, 10:43 PM

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not on handheld weapons though

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without scripting

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and technically the vehicle weapons with multiple barrels fire very fast burst

runic plover Jul 4, 2020, 10:44 PM

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ah on handheld you cant.. but would be nice to have 2 pistols up 😄

mossy violet Jul 4, 2020, 10:47 PM

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ah, no worries.

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thanks for answer.

stuck oyster Jul 4, 2020, 10:53 PM

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handheld through fired eventhandler script

stuck oyster Jul 5, 2020, 3:27 AM

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btw @wise heart I noticed you are not in the dayZ modders discord. Heres the link. https://discord.gg/e2jFNx

wise heart Jul 5, 2020, 3:35 AM

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I had no idea this existed, much appreciated 👍🏻

stuck oyster Jul 5, 2020, 3:41 AM

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I thought you were talking about this one earlier. Just noticed you were not in there when I skimmed through the chat

wise heart Jul 5, 2020, 3:42 AM

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official Day Z one is the only one I found, this is brilliant

stuck oyster Jul 5, 2020, 3:43 AM

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ah yeah that one is not very active

naive crescent Jul 5, 2020, 6:53 AM

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is there a completely transparent texture i can use in the game-files?

marsh canyon Jul 5, 2020, 6:54 AM

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#(argb,1,1,1)color(0,0,0,0,ca)

naive crescent Jul 5, 2020, 6:54 AM

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facepalm

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can you pass me the hammer?

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i need to bonk myself

marsh canyon Jul 5, 2020, 6:54 AM

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🔨

naive crescent Jul 5, 2020, 6:54 AM

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BocchiOuchie

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thank you, i really needed that

naive crescent Jul 5, 2020, 2:23 PM

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i have defined a geometry LOD for my object with mass, but it wont show up in-game (the geometry)

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trying to lineintersect it is fruitless, so i assume it doesnt exist

stuck oyster Jul 5, 2020, 2:25 PM

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does the geometry component have a "componentXXX" name

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and is it a convex shape

naive crescent Jul 5, 2020, 2:25 PM

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component01, specificly

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and yes, it's a simple box

stuck oyster Jul 5, 2020, 2:26 PM

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did you rename it yourself or run the find components tool?

naive crescent Jul 5, 2020, 2:26 PM

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i renamed it myself

stuck oyster Jul 5, 2020, 2:26 PM

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📎 unknown.png

naive crescent Jul 5, 2020, 2:26 PM

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running find components does the same result

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yep, but it wont show up in-game

stuck oyster Jul 5, 2020, 2:27 PM

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always more sure to run the tool. but alright

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what wont

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the box?

naive crescent Jul 5, 2020, 2:27 PM

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alrighty

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lineintersectsurfaces wont see it

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passes right through

stuck oyster Jul 5, 2020, 2:28 PM

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is this tested in a neutral scene without anything else to interfere

naive crescent Jul 5, 2020, 2:28 PM

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and what's the deal with proxies counting towards bounding box?

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as neutral environment as i can

stuck oyster Jul 5, 2020, 2:29 PM

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📎 unknown.png

naive crescent Jul 5, 2020, 2:29 PM

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i need to have my own assets loaded, ofcourse to have the object in-game

stuck oyster Jul 5, 2020, 2:29 PM

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bounding box

naive crescent Jul 5, 2020, 2:29 PM

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yep, but it's counting towards the bounding box in eden

stuck oyster Jul 5, 2020, 2:29 PM

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that does not affect the lineintersect though

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yes

naive crescent Jul 5, 2020, 2:29 PM

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yet, they are not factored when placing units

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idk, just something curious i noticed

stuck oyster Jul 5, 2020, 2:30 PM

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characters employ animation defined bound size

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there is a boundingsphere parameter in there

naive crescent Jul 5, 2020, 2:30 PM

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ok...

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"GEOM" in lineintersect means the geometry phys LOD

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NOT the Geometry LOD

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is there a way to preview a proxy in OB?

stuck oyster Jul 5, 2020, 2:56 PM

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buldozer if you are using unpacked p3d

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which intersect command are you using?

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all geometry lods default to the basic geometry if they are no spcified in the p3d

naive crescent Jul 5, 2020, 3:08 PM

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I may have made a model which crashes windows if you attempt to launch the game

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It's 1 proxy

stuck oyster Jul 5, 2020, 3:09 PM

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yes but I assume you have both the lod0 and geometry lod

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in the p3d

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and also which command of the intersects are you using?

naive crescent Jul 5, 2020, 3:10 PM

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LineIntersectSurfaces

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With GEOM as the selected lod

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As soon as i moved the model to geometry phys, it started showing up

stuck oyster Jul 5, 2020, 3:11 PM

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what lods do you have

naive crescent Jul 5, 2020, 3:12 PM

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I dont think any of that matters anymore

stuck oyster Jul 5, 2020, 3:12 PM

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and what does "it showed up" mean

naive crescent Jul 5, 2020, 3:12 PM

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My entire SSD i had arma 3 and my projects on got nuked by that crash

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"It shows up" as in it intersects

stuck oyster Jul 5, 2020, 3:12 PM

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ah alright

naive crescent Jul 5, 2020, 3:12 PM

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I had geom and 1 at first

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Then i moved geom to geom phys

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And it worked

stuck oyster Jul 5, 2020, 3:13 PM

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geometry lod is what it intesects with

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something else must have happened too

naive crescent Jul 5, 2020, 3:18 PM

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No idea

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Im just scrambling to get my raid controller to recover the drive notlikemeow

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Also, i managed to make my own groundwepaonholder

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Which displays the items inside of it

naive crescent Jul 5, 2020, 4:29 PM

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can i set the center of a model returned through getPos somehow in OB?

stuck oyster Jul 5, 2020, 4:41 PM

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do you need the model to be centered properly?

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on its origin

naive crescent Jul 5, 2020, 11:56 PM

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Pretty much, currently it's centered on the center of it's bounding box's bottom face

tacit tulip Jul 6, 2020, 6:36 AM

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Don’t know if this goes here buuuut

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I’ve been searching the internet far and wide

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To learn how to make a scope in Arma

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And I find nothing

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But hopefully someone here may know this forbidden art

naive crescent Jul 6, 2020, 8:10 AM

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Isnt there a sample in the arma 3 samples?

silk glacier Jul 6, 2020, 11:13 AM

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@tacit tulip do you mean purely making a model or the entire process of object building it into a scope?

vapid nexus Jul 6, 2020, 2:04 PM

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Sample model exits in arma Sample i used it figurer out The way to do it

tacit tulip Jul 6, 2020, 4:13 PM

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The entire process

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I want to make a VCOG scope the new one Marines are getting

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I’ve got a general idea of making the model of the VCOG

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And what do you mean by sample

vapid nexus Jul 6, 2020, 4:45 PM

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On steam under tools there is arma Sample that you can download to look at sample models in OB

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Same with config

quick terrace Jul 6, 2020, 4:56 PM

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https://store.steampowered.com/app/390500/Arma_3_Samples/

Steam

Arma 3 Samples

Formerly part of Arma 3 Tools, this application contains all necessary samples to get started with Arma 3 content creation. The collection covers a broad spectrum of topics, from scenario design to mod making. Along with every sample comes commented code and relevant documenta...

silver zenith Jul 8, 2020, 5:10 AM

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is 47 geometry components (mostly cubes) bad for performance?

runic plover Jul 8, 2020, 7:16 AM

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is 47 geometry components (mostly cubes) bad for performance?
@silver zenith

No

silver zenith Jul 8, 2020, 7:17 AM

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what would be a safe cap?
99?

runic plover Jul 8, 2020, 7:19 AM

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I believe some Arma 3 models like rocks got over 100

silver zenith Jul 8, 2020, 7:19 AM

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oh good

runic plover Jul 8, 2020, 7:23 AM

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You can also save model size in KB/MB when you only do the Geometry with the Component selections + add the rvmat files for the hit effects. So you dont have to add the Fire- and ViewGeometry lods. But only for simple objects. Objects with windows etc will need Fire- and ViewGeometry for the AI nd stuff

silver zenith Jul 8, 2020, 7:28 AM

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yeah I'm making an house so thats not an option

inner canopy Jul 8, 2020, 9:25 AM

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Hello all! So I have a custom uniform ingame and it has 4 visual lods. When I back away from it, the uniform dissapears so I guess only the first lod shows. Anyone had any same experiences? If someone could help be that ould be wunderful!

silver zenith Jul 8, 2020, 9:52 AM

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how are the lods named?

inner canopy Jul 8, 2020, 9:55 AM

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From 1.000 to 4.000

stuck oyster Jul 8, 2020, 11:02 AM

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All lods have textures?

inner canopy Jul 8, 2020, 11:14 AM

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They have rvmats assigned and _co with hiddenselections. The last lod doesn't have an rvmat

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that might be a problem

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Nope, that wasn't the probleme

stuck oyster Jul 8, 2020, 12:49 PM

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Is the model complexity reasonable?

inner canopy Jul 8, 2020, 12:50 PM

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6k vertices for the first an 500 for the last lod

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lods are roughly half of the previous one

stuck oyster Jul 8, 2020, 12:52 PM

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That is reasonable

inner canopy Jul 8, 2020, 12:53 PM

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I'm startign to think it's has something to do with the config at this point because my other uniform is exactly the same setup

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selections, polycount etc.

stuck oyster Jul 8, 2020, 12:56 PM

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I don't think configs can affect that

inner canopy Jul 8, 2020, 1:10 PM

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Ok, so after further testing, only the hl selections and head shows at longer range

runic plover Jul 8, 2020, 1:20 PM

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Are your selections in every visual LOD right? Sounds for me like you got a selection problem and its not there where it has to be at least.

Take care of how you have wrote them. Its a difference as example between Spine3 and spine3

stuck oyster Jul 8, 2020, 1:23 PM

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Also could be a texture problem

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If texture is faulty/corrupt/missing there is nothing to draw

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Wrong resolution, wrong source format, missinf suffixes can affect the conversion to PAA

runic plover Jul 8, 2020, 1:25 PM

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cfgModels could also be a problem. When selections are wrong written and dont fit with the p3d, the uniform model is subterran and stiff

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I had a similar issue and the solution was i have wrote all selections in small and not mixed big with small as example leftarmroll / LeftArmRoll

stuck oyster Jul 8, 2020, 1:28 PM

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They are indeed case sensitive

runic plover Jul 8, 2020, 1:29 PM

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Didnt know that before, had to learn that 😅

inner canopy Jul 8, 2020, 1:29 PM

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Thank you, i'll look into all of these

stuck oyster Jul 8, 2020, 1:29 PM

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But also its not good to change them from what they are by default

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As many things in configs also use then

old gulch Jul 8, 2020, 1:42 PM

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Alright. Back to the steering wheel.
So, I have the memory points for drivingWheel_axis, I have a drivingWheel selection/component, I defined it as a bone in the model.cfg and I have driverLeftHandAnimName = "drivingWheel"; (for both hands, don't worry) in the config.cpp.
However, it just refuses to rotate. Can I get some help?

runic plover Jul 8, 2020, 2:08 PM

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@old gulch have you checked also the Arma 3 Samples how its done there? There is also a boat example, or you look at the car example.

Your drivingwheel has to be defined in the cfgmodels, config and in the p3d

old gulch Jul 8, 2020, 2:08 PM

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Yeah, I practically copied the configs and such from there.

runic plover Jul 8, 2020, 2:10 PM

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Hmm thats weird.. maybe check it again if you got all kind of stuff similar to all 3 components (modelcfg/cfg & p3d)

old gulch Jul 8, 2020, 2:11 PM

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I did remove a lot of the bones I don't have, and I did check the translations for the named selections and such before removing them (simply because I didn't have the majority of them)

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God, that sounds terrible out of context.

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The .p3d doesn't seem to have any difference as far as I can tell.

runic plover Jul 8, 2020, 2:16 PM

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Easiest way is to take a look wich selection the steering wheel has on the sample car or boat and also the memory points (if it has) and check it in the animations (the selection name) and so you can follow all back from where it begins. With this you can check all kind of stuff in the modelscfg and cfg and p3d. Im sure you have forgot something

old gulch Jul 8, 2020, 2:17 PM

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That's just it

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The names are the exact same

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I'm going to see if renaming the skeleton will work.

stuck oyster Jul 8, 2020, 2:53 PM

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@old gulch are you checking the animation in Buldozer or in game?

old gulch Jul 8, 2020, 2:58 PM

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In game.

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There's nothing differing in the config.

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So, hmm.

stuck oyster Jul 8, 2020, 3:01 PM

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test if it works in buldozer first

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that should validate if the animation config is correctly set up

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bones, cfgmodel/animations, selections

old gulch Jul 8, 2020, 3:02 PM

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Right, how do I do that?

stuck oyster Jul 8, 2020, 3:08 PM

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run buldozer?

old gulch Jul 8, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Test the animation in Buldozer

stuck oyster Jul 8, 2020, 3:10 PM

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you need to change the active animationSource and change its phase to see if the parts move with it

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enter, backspace, middle mouse do that

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and mouse scroll and some keys next to enter should change the phase

old gulch Jul 8, 2020, 3:11 PM

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...Huh. Okay, curious point. I only have one animation source in the config, and that's "Proxy"

stuck oyster Jul 8, 2020, 3:11 PM

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buldozer reads only model.cfg and the sources used in the animations there

old gulch Jul 8, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Right

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https://puu.sh/G4VT5/b0e36863c0.png

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Because that's all I've got

stuck oyster Jul 8, 2020, 3:13 PM

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then a driwingWheel source should be available in there

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assuming the thing is set up right

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it it does not you have something wrong in the model.cfg

old gulch Jul 8, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Right. Do you mind taking a look?

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Because it didn't work.

stuck oyster Jul 8, 2020, 3:14 PM

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right now I dont havve the time. But you can put it into pastebin and link here.

old gulch Jul 8, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Alrighty

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https://pastebin.com/6UTsa3Vx

runic plover Jul 8, 2020, 3:49 PM

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@old gulch does your p3d file also got the name mars_catfish_f?

old gulch Jul 8, 2020, 3:52 PM

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...No

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Is that it?

runic plover Jul 8, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Its important that class cfgModels the class of your ship has the same name like your p3d file yes.

In the comfig class its not needed m

old gulch Jul 8, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Gah. that's annoying

runic plover Jul 8, 2020, 3:55 PM

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The p3d file needs the same name like your cfgModels class define

stuck oyster Jul 8, 2020, 3:55 PM

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👌

runic plover Jul 8, 2020, 3:56 PM

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Its for every type of model that has a model cfg

old gulch Jul 8, 2020, 3:56 PM

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Yep, that works. Thanks!

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I'm going to assume this'll also fix the broken hidden selections too, which is nice

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Last thing, then

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So, damage textures. I assume you need a selection called "damageHide", like it seems they use in the samples?

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Then I just whack the rvmat and textures into class Damage in the config?

stuck oyster Jul 8, 2020, 4:27 PM

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damageHide would likely be used on parts that are animated to hide

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the config damage class takes care of the texture/material changes

old gulch Jul 8, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Right.

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So, like this: https://puu.sh/G4Yt4/154b7a46fd.png ?

stuck oyster Jul 8, 2020, 5:43 PM

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seems alright

worldly ibex Jul 8, 2020, 7:23 PM

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Hello, i have install object builder but i have 2 erros (Application load error V:00000062 / External viewers : attach failed. No viewer found.

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can you help me please 🙂

stuck oyster Jul 8, 2020, 7:28 PM

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have you installed your tools and P drive according to the PMCwikis guides?

worldly ibex Jul 8, 2020, 7:35 PM

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i have mont P drive and il have follow vidéo but i don' t have find tutorial pmc

stuck oyster Jul 8, 2020, 7:37 PM

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videos most of the time got it wrong.

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put "PMCwiki Arma 3 tools setup" and "PMCwiki Arma 3 P drive" into google

worldly ibex Jul 8, 2020, 7:58 PM

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i have make this

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but i don' t have see pmc wiki for object builder

north sundial Jul 8, 2020, 8:56 PM

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Okay so this is kinda doing my head in, when exporting/importing fbx into object builder i have an issue

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when exporting if i select normals only on smoothing, it keeps my uv's the same but doesn't keep the smoothing groups, but if i select edge or face it keeps the smoothing groups but modifies the uv's in certain places and skews the texture

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ive tried triangulating before export and it doesnt make sense

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I get the same issues when exporting from 3ds or blender

stuck oyster Jul 8, 2020, 9:38 PM

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From Blender you can export directly to P3D with the FHQ blender toolbox.

But also make sure all modifiers and such are first applied on the model before exporting.

north sundial Jul 9, 2020, 12:57 PM

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okay so tried that and still no joy (didn't try the toolbox yet) but i found out that either the export or import of fbx is causing the mesh to quadrify

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i cant see an option to disable it

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okay so its not the export, figured out its object builders import thats doing it

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very strange but there seems to be no option to disable the quadrify

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for reference this is the issue
the export from blender, nice and triangulated
https://gyazo.com/2fbfb5da0fff29406ea76ca0aaaf8e6e
What ends up in object builder
https://gyazo.com/b0872a9dbcf74a1a9201351a8612b7fd

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quadrifies it and skews the uv mapping

runic plover Jul 9, 2020, 1:20 PM

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Havent tried it yet but cant you save in blender to p3d file and you dont have to import it in OB?

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With the arma blender toolbox i mean. So probably you can fix this issue with this way. Im a beginner now with blender (worked like 16years with O2 / OB) and just learned to import into blender and played around a bit with some tutorials. But havent tried the p3d save/export function yet

north sundial Jul 9, 2020, 1:22 PM

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it requires the toolkit which i want to avoid in terms of this issue because i dont want to have to export to blender from max (what i mainly use) just to import to object builder, it seems silly

runic plover Jul 9, 2020, 1:23 PM

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You mean "max" 3d studio max?

north sundial Jul 9, 2020, 1:23 PM

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yeah

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unless there is a toolbox for arma for max i mean

runic plover Jul 9, 2020, 1:24 PM

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Whats about you export in .obj format? And import in OB?

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You are able to import FBX, OBJ and 3DS in OB, will OB in all kind of formats this problem?

north sundial Jul 9, 2020, 1:24 PM

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obj has its own issues in terms of object builder wants to calculate the sharp and smooth edges itself by angle

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im trying 3ds now and installing the toolbox for blender

runic plover Jul 9, 2020, 1:25 PM

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About the sharp smooth edges isnt a big problem. Not as big as destroy the uvw

north sundial Jul 9, 2020, 1:26 PM

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yeah true, but still a pain

runic plover Jul 9, 2020, 1:27 PM

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Indeed. But its fastly done in OB with selecting faces / or points and "U" for sharp and "I" for smooth 😜

north sundial Jul 9, 2020, 1:32 PM

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okay so 3ds has an option to not to quadrify so solves my max issue

runic plover Jul 9, 2020, 1:32 PM

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👍

spare roost Jul 9, 2020, 3:03 PM

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anyone know if it is possible to reduce down the size of the flag? Trying to make a diplomatic armoured variant of the SUV. The flag would be better if it was slightly smaller. https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1285165287681768467/CE239E6DC55B8B8DB1071BCC985DEFE88A1ED597/

quick terrace Jul 9, 2020, 3:03 PM

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not possible afaik

spare roost Jul 9, 2020, 3:04 PM

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Yeah, I feared as much.

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thanks.

north sundial Jul 9, 2020, 3:58 PM

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you could make your own flag

rough idol Jul 9, 2020, 4:09 PM

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@spare roost you need to use different proxy

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There is small one for mini ugv if I remember correctly

spare roost Jul 9, 2020, 4:28 PM

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:O! Thanks, I'll take a look for it!

spare roost Jul 9, 2020, 6:34 PM

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not finding this, but I guess it must be hidden away in one of the contact .ebos somewhere.

white jay Jul 9, 2020, 6:58 PM

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@stuck oyster do u have an artstation?

polar fiber Jul 9, 2020, 7:18 PM

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@spare roost can find it in cfgnonAIvehicles nonetheless model = "\A3\data_f_enoch\proxies\Flags\FLAG_MiniUGV";

stuck oyster Jul 9, 2020, 7:23 PM

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@white jay nope

white jay Jul 9, 2020, 7:31 PM

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😦

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tryna see ur art

median bough Jul 9, 2020, 7:36 PM

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HG IS the art 😄

north sundial Jul 9, 2020, 8:29 PM

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Afaik hg just does wizardry with arma but you don’t get to use it or see it

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You are not worthy

noble shoal Jul 9, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Or at least do not sacrifice enough goats

spring forge Jul 9, 2020, 11:51 PM

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Hi, i need a little help, why when i export my models in p3d from blender, and i open the p3d with Object Builder

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/199647754576855040/730933195457036308/unknown.png

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He don't have the same position

wispy sage Jul 10, 2020, 2:29 AM

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The PhysX weight of a weapon is set in object builder and the mass setting in the config under WeaponSlotsInfo relates to the volume of inventory space the gear takes up, right? Or does that mass setting in the config tackle both weight as it relates to the fatigue system and the volume of space the item takes up in the inventory while the mass setting in O2 is purely used by PhysX?

steel vector Jul 10, 2020, 2:31 AM

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config mass is weight for inventory which is the same as used for fatigue

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not sure about the weights in the model itself

wispy sage Jul 10, 2020, 2:32 AM

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is it correct that 22 units of mass in the config entry is equal to one kilogram?

steel vector Jul 10, 2020, 2:35 AM

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mass is a combination of volume and weight, so it's not really a static number

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while the mass in the model is 1kg (afaik)

wispy sage Jul 10, 2020, 2:37 AM

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Alright, cool that clears things up. Thank you!

quick terrace Jul 10, 2020, 2:51 AM

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p3d geo lod mass has zero influence on how character handles it

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both in terms of fatigue and/or size/inertia

severe dirge Jul 10, 2020, 5:43 AM

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any reason why VM_s-P3D_Export.mcr doesn't run in 3DS Max? 😐 not sure why it doesn't run. ><

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trying to export rigged head to Object Builder but it's not going well

woeful viper Jul 10, 2020, 6:24 AM

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just use fbx...

north sundial Jul 10, 2020, 9:30 AM

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does setting the featuretype of an object to 2 disable its resolution lod switching?

rough idol Jul 10, 2020, 9:47 AM

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no

polar fiber Jul 10, 2020, 9:48 AM

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it just means it doesn't get culled until it's beyond the user's terrain distance setting

quick terrace Jul 10, 2020, 10:55 AM

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@severe dirge actually, it does work

spring forge Jul 10, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Hi, why when i drop my headgear who i create, isn't view a models on ground ?!

north sundial Jul 10, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Got it thanks guys was just curious

severe dirge Jul 10, 2020, 5:32 PM

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@quick terrace which 3ds max version should i use o.o

quick terrace Jul 10, 2020, 5:45 PM

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.mcr files are scripts, so they were no matter of the max version you use @severe dirge

severe dirge Jul 10, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Ahh weird it didnt run

quick terrace Jul 10, 2020, 5:48 PM

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what didn't run?

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@severe dirge once you drag drop/run it via run-script toolbar

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will create a custom action/button whatever

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you need to custimize that

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that is how all mcr files work

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just saying "it doesn't work" doesn't help much with pinpointing what doesn't work, so not sure how to even help you

severe dirge Jul 10, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Ahh it just doesnt execute when i hit run (i think? Will investigate further. Thanks!!)

quick terrace Jul 10, 2020, 5:59 PM

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mossy violet Jul 10, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Wonder if someone could run me through some trouble shooting. I made a custom helicopter but whenever it touches the floor the MROT (main rotor) and ATRQ (Anti-torque rotor) just break instantly. When it spawns in the sky it flies around fine so the only times this happens is when it takes off or lands. Any suggestions on where I can start to look for the problem?

runic plover Jul 10, 2020, 8:25 PM

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@mossy violet maybe look at the Arma 3 Samples / Test_Heli_01

mossy violet Jul 10, 2020, 9:11 PM

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I've looked through it (it's how I made my other ones in the past) but for some reason, this one just won't take off or touch the ground without breaking.

runic plover Jul 10, 2020, 9:34 PM

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maybe you got a geometry / geometryphys or landcontact problem

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also make sure you dont add mass in Geometry Phys

orchid spruce Jul 10, 2020, 10:12 PM

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I have a animation in my model.cfg that's supposed to rotate a piece but for some reason that piece also gets offset during animation, why could that be?

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{
    type="rotation";
    source="isselected";
    selection="dust_cover";
    axis="dust_cover_axis";
    sourceAddress="clamp";
    minPhase=0;
    maxPhase=1;
    minValue=0;
    maxValue=1;
    memory=0;
    angle0=0;
    angle1="rad 160";
};
``` this is in model.cfg

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when the weapon is selected, it should rotate, but it also moves down a fair bit

mossy violet Jul 10, 2020, 10:13 PM

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Yeah, i might try remaking the geo lods. See if that helps.

frozen pumice Jul 11, 2020, 4:16 AM

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Would this be a good place to ask for help with a model?

charred agate Jul 11, 2020, 7:59 AM

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Is there a good tutorial or other resource to get started making (bigger) buildings which work with AI? I've seen countless building mods with which the AI can't really do anything (more or less as if the navmesh is just "missing").
My end goal (for now) is making something which houses a couple of large-ish floors usable for CQC (imaging large open-space offices in a skyscraper)

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I guess it takes more than just "slapping something together in blender"^^

runic plover Jul 11, 2020, 8:17 AM

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@charred agate havent seen a tutorial yet, also not for blender. and yes, many people are to lazy to make Paths for the AI. just take care of the size of the building, max geometry / roadway works with 50m x 50m (height is unlimited I think), thats a bug which exists a long time. you can look in the Arma 3 Samples, there is a Test House

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@frozen pumice yes

charred agate Jul 11, 2020, 8:18 AM

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ok so in Arma 3, the creator has to define fixed paths instead of making a "full" navmesh?

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Good thing you mentioned the 50x50 limitations, didn't know that

runic plover Jul 11, 2020, 8:20 AM

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if you take a look in the test house of the samples its a named line in the Path LOD, its for the AI's direction and also for the positions you can send the AI to hide or to wait. also it has action positions for the doors to open.

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yes i had myself to mess around with the limitations cause i got some big buildings I did

charred agate Jul 11, 2020, 8:26 AM

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great, onto the samples then. Thanks Sentry

runic plover Jul 11, 2020, 8:34 AM

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👍

silver zenith Jul 11, 2020, 11:35 AM

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when making a geometry lod
can I just be cheap and not add it to parts that will never get hit by a vehicle? or would that cause issues?

woeful viper Jul 11, 2020, 11:35 AM

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simplify as much as possible

silver zenith Jul 11, 2020, 11:36 AM

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geometry lod is only for collisions with vehicles anyway right?, assuming I'm adding a fire geometry

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or does it work for players walking through aswell?

marsh canyon Jul 11, 2020, 11:51 AM

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AFAIK If Fire Geo or some are missing, Geometry model will be just reused

silver zenith Jul 11, 2020, 11:53 AM

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yeah but the fire geometry eats less performance so its more convenient to make them both
my issue is that I have to make this building in a day and I was curious if I could just skip the stuff I didn't need
like vehicle collision, but if it affects unit collision aswell then thats a problem

north sundial Jul 11, 2020, 11:53 AM

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I think on simple objects you can assign impact rvmats on geometry lod to substitute loading a fire geo but i think if its more than 500 polys or something you need to add a fire geo

cyan heart Jul 11, 2020, 12:10 PM

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or does it work for players walking through aswell?
@silver zenith yes, geo is also for player collision

silver zenith Jul 11, 2020, 12:11 PM

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honestly yeah that was a dumb question

cyan heart Jul 11, 2020, 12:11 PM

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fire geo is only for bullet impacts, for grenades (except GL's) geo is also used

woeful viper Jul 11, 2020, 12:11 PM

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roadway lod

cyan heart Jul 11, 2020, 12:11 PM

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Smoke GL's use geo, while Explosive (instant explosives) use fire geo

orchid spruce Jul 11, 2020, 12:43 PM

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is there any way to solve the object builder issue where it will not smooth polygons that are too small?

runic plover Jul 11, 2020, 1:07 PM

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@orchid spruce do you have a pic of the issue?

orchid spruce Jul 11, 2020, 1:09 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/dNculq5.png

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I've since solved it by just enlarging those polygons until it didn't happen but still it'd be nice to know if there was away to fix it without changing the geometry

runic plover Jul 11, 2020, 1:13 PM

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i know people talk about triangle everything, but if you squarize these faces it will be better at least in such model

orchid spruce Jul 11, 2020, 1:13 PM

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they weren't triangulated when I exported

runic plover Jul 11, 2020, 1:17 PM

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i got a similar model with such rings

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https://ibb.co/JdcGMVy

polar fiber Jul 11, 2020, 1:30 PM

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@orchid spruce Immediately after import, press Shift+E to open the vertex properties window, and change the Normals setting to "fixed (locked normals)"

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They'll get screwed up if you have to rotate the model in OB though. So if you need to rotate the model, make sure it's scaled up so that the faces are no longer small, do your rotation, then lock them before scaling back down

orchid spruce Jul 11, 2020, 1:32 PM

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oh so you mean like, import it at a larger scale, set that normal setting and then scale down to real size?

polar fiber Jul 11, 2020, 1:33 PM

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It shouldn't be necessary to play with the scale after import if you don't save the model before locking the normals

orchid spruce Jul 11, 2020, 1:33 PM

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well just importing it and doing that didn't seem to do anything

polar fiber Jul 11, 2020, 1:33 PM

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For whatever reason, OB recalculates normals on saving the p3d

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Okay, then you can try importing it oversized and then locking and scaling down

orchid spruce Jul 11, 2020, 1:34 PM

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yeah that does seem to work

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is there any way to make object builder scale around the center of the scene?

polar fiber Jul 11, 2020, 1:35 PM

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When you open it, prest Shift+C to activate the pin at the grid origin

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Then when you're doing the scaling operation in the tool where you input numbers, there should be a "relative to pin" option

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When the pin's active, it has a circle around the middle of the cross

orchid spruce Jul 11, 2020, 1:38 PM

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yeah that seems to all work

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cool, I'll keep this in mind for the future

polar fiber Jul 11, 2020, 1:40 PM

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Pin's dead useful. You can fix it to a vertex by pressing C, and even use it as a vertex snapping tool if you use the place pin tool from the toolbar to right-click drag a selection around the viewport

orchid spruce Jul 11, 2020, 1:43 PM

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another thing, is there an animation source for which optic is selected on a weapon?

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like, if my weapon itself has two optics modes, is there a way to have an animation activate on one of those modes?

polar fiber Jul 11, 2020, 1:46 PM

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Not to my knowledge

white jay Jul 11, 2020, 2:03 PM

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Hey I’m trying to get gun modeling/animation what are good programs to use?

cyan heart Jul 11, 2020, 2:26 PM

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@white jay Blender is free and has loads of tutorials, so probably the best choice

spare roost Jul 11, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Looking to reduce some clipping through floors. I've adjusted the fire geometry lod, visual geometry lod, pathway, and both geometry and geometry physx lods. Is there I specific LOD that needs adjusting to reduce it? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/332770712639242240/731535774087905361/20200711163651_1.jpg?width=1095&height=616

north sundial Jul 11, 2020, 4:15 PM

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add some roadway above the door?

spare roost Jul 11, 2020, 4:19 PM

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its already there

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that allows them to walk above

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the issue only occurs when the units lie down. You don't see feet or knees when they are standing or kneeling above.

runic plover Jul 11, 2020, 4:35 PM

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@spare roost are you as player also able to clipping trough floor?

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because the AI can do some magic

spare roost Jul 11, 2020, 4:38 PM

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I'll have to double check that, but its pretty poor when breaching and the AI just looks down and drops you through the ceiling. 😛

runic plover Jul 11, 2020, 4:59 PM

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i know but sometimes they are also able to walk trough rocks/cliffs.. so dont be surprised ^^

stuck oyster Jul 11, 2020, 5:18 PM

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That kind of clipping can't always be avoided unfortunately. Surface type could be made so that the AI never goes prone on it.or the geometry between levels just needs to be higher.

spare roost Jul 11, 2020, 5:21 PM

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yeah, I've been thickening it slightly, but it doesn't appear to make much difference. How is preventing the AI from going prone done??

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because the issue only appears to be located in the very corners of the roof.

spare roost Jul 11, 2020, 8:27 PM

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@stuck oyster would it be possible to use AIAvoidStance = 2; on a custom surface for just the upper floor wood deck in that bunker? That should prevent them from going prone at least. Not sure how I'd create a surface just for the upper floor of one bunker though.

stuck oyster Jul 11, 2020, 9:08 PM

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New unique named. Paa that is assigned to that part of roadway and then cfgSurfaces class pointing to that PAA

tacit tulip Jul 11, 2020, 9:35 PM

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How does one fix IMPORT FAILED: Parse error in OBJ file “ACV2.obj”

Extra Characters in line (maybe more vertices on face, than supported- four) at line: 800

runic plover Jul 11, 2020, 10:05 PM

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this happens when you got more than 4 vertices in a face

quick terrace Jul 11, 2020, 11:48 PM

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@tacit tulip obj import doesn’t supoort ngons, just quads and tris. it is advisable to triangula the model before exporting

silver zenith Jul 11, 2020, 11:50 PM

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would it be more convenient to quadrangulate instead of triangulate?

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not even sure if thats geometrically a possibility

stuck oyster Jul 12, 2020, 12:05 AM

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No it becomes triangles in the engine anyway

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Triangulating and checking the crossing edges is the only way to Mke sure you got them going in correct direction

silver zenith Jul 12, 2020, 1:51 AM

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I need the roadway to walk over buildings don't I?
doesn't seem to work

woeful viper Jul 12, 2020, 1:52 AM

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then you made an error

silver zenith Jul 12, 2020, 2:20 AM

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maybe I misunderstood what the roadway is

is it not supposed to be a flat plane on the areas that should be walked on?

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or is it like geometry?

runic plover Jul 12, 2020, 4:32 AM

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its not like geometry, its just flat plane everywhere you want to walk. check that your roadway is a little little bit higher than your geometry

silver zenith Jul 12, 2020, 4:43 AM

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yeah I think the heigh problem was the reason
had not applied transforms and the geometry was overlapping

runic plover Jul 12, 2020, 5:57 AM

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when geometry is overlapping you get stuck while walking

silver zenith Jul 12, 2020, 6:46 AM

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no it still doesn't work

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https://imgur.com/a/bKugsBF
but it its not overlapping so no idea what could be the issue

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I completely go through the floor

runic plover Jul 12, 2020, 7:54 AM

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how big is this object in meters?

silver zenith Jul 12, 2020, 8:09 AM

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less than 50m if thats what you're thinking about

runic plover Jul 12, 2020, 8:38 AM

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yes exactly ^^

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hmm weird. i also cant tell you more cause I dont worked with blender yet for the other LODS

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I never had any issues with roadways yet

frozen pumice Jul 12, 2020, 8:57 AM

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So... i asked for a model to be made

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However it's quite low poly

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Too low poly for arma.

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I tried fixing it myself but I just wound up facedesking.

runic plover Jul 12, 2020, 9:10 AM

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and what do you want to tell us with this? think_turtle

frozen pumice Jul 12, 2020, 9:25 AM

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Id like some help with the model, if anything.

runic plover Jul 12, 2020, 11:39 AM

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@frozen pumice did you tried with blender or OB?

strong plaza Jul 12, 2020, 12:53 PM

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is there a limit to how many components geo/fire LOD can have?

open heron Jul 12, 2020, 12:53 PM

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Fenrir, I'm kinda curious about what the Model is/is a part of.

silver zenith Jul 12, 2020, 1:00 PM

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@strong plaza been told to watch out after 100
probably you just have poorer performance the more you add

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@runic plover
arma toolbox lets you select a model and lets you choose what LOD to make out of it
in the pic green is the roadway and white is the geometry

quick terrace Jul 12, 2020, 1:43 PM

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@strong plaza afaik it is around 256. but the lower the better

strong plaza Jul 12, 2020, 2:11 PM

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its a hard limit where its over that the components will stop working ?

quick terrace Jul 12, 2020, 2:36 PM

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never tested, but i always assumed it is, just as with bones, 256. in any case, as with anything that is intended for games, things needs to be optimized to the lowest possible level.

stuck oyster Jul 12, 2020, 2:37 PM

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negative

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optimization is recommended yes but 256 is not a hard limit

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Afaik 400 is danger soft limit

quick terrace Jul 12, 2020, 2:40 PM

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fair enough, but there is def a hard limit of sorts

tacit tulip Jul 12, 2020, 2:40 PM

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@tacit tulip obj import doesn’t supoort ngons, just quads and tris. it is advisable to triangula the model before exporting
@quick terrace

How does one triangula the model in sketchup

stuck oyster Jul 12, 2020, 2:40 PM

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collsion calculation starts to go haywire beyond 400

quick terrace Jul 12, 2020, 2:40 PM

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or it used to be prior to bi allowing more than 32k vn

stuck oyster Jul 12, 2020, 2:40 PM

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but not always

quick terrace Jul 12, 2020, 2:41 PM

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@tacit tulip if you are using sketchup for game asset creation you are doing it wrong

tacit tulip Jul 12, 2020, 2:41 PM

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It’s worked in GMod TeT

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Why is Arma so haaaaard

stuck oyster Jul 12, 2020, 2:42 PM

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its not hard

quick terrace Jul 12, 2020, 2:42 PM

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it isn’t all that hard

tacit tulip Jul 12, 2020, 2:42 PM

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I know

stuck oyster Jul 12, 2020, 2:42 PM

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there are just general good practice modeling practices in use

tacit tulip Jul 12, 2020, 2:42 PM

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Just a steep learning curve

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Transitioning from GMOD to Arma

quick terrace Jul 12, 2020, 2:43 PM

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and just because poor workflow worked in gmod or whatever, doesn’t mean it should work for another toolset/ game engine

stuck oyster Jul 12, 2020, 2:43 PM

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I advice you basically forget anything that works in GMOD

tacit tulip Jul 12, 2020, 2:43 PM

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Got it

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So Blender then right?

quick terrace Jul 12, 2020, 2:44 PM

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or any other proper software. sketchup isn’t one of these

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it’s purpose is completly different, and has nothing to do with game asset creation whatsoever

tacit tulip Jul 12, 2020, 2:44 PM

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What about Paint 3D?

quick terrace Jul 12, 2020, 2:46 PM

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blender is very similar to industry standard software packages (like max/maya/modo/houdini etc)

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paint3d isn't

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so if you know none, blender is definitely the free choice out there

tacit tulip Jul 12, 2020, 2:46 PM

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Okie dokie

undone venture Jul 12, 2020, 5:13 PM

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sketchup 🤮

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blenders free

median bough Jul 12, 2020, 5:29 PM

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sketchup is not so bad for basic shapes and then use blender for details

quick terrace Jul 12, 2020, 5:35 PM

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basic shapes <> game assets

woeful viper Jul 12, 2020, 5:44 PM

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why do basic shapes in some other tool ... thats a waste of time

snow crag Jul 12, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Hello, I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but I am looking to install Arma 3 Tools and know that using it requires mounting a P drive, but I already have a P drive on my system, is it possible to change which drive letter I mount for Arma 3 Tools?

stuck oyster Jul 12, 2020, 6:52 PM

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it is possible. you will just need to set it right in all the tools you use. I would suggest using PMCwiki tools setup guide and replacing P with whatever free drive letter you have

snow crag Jul 12, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Thank you very much! I will look into that 🙂

stuck oyster Jul 12, 2020, 7:05 PM

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you will need to do so in few other tools too I would wager

snow crag Jul 12, 2020, 7:20 PM

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Do you by chance have a link to the PMCwiki tools setup guide?

median bough Jul 12, 2020, 7:20 PM

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@snow crag
https://pmc.editing.wiki/doku.php?id=arma3:tools

snow crag Jul 12, 2020, 7:20 PM

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Greatly Appreciated

median bough Jul 12, 2020, 7:21 PM

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🤘

stuck oyster Jul 12, 2020, 7:26 PM

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for future reference and when @median bough is sleeping.

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should bring up something like this

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🎣

snow crag Jul 12, 2020, 7:35 PM

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Wow i've been using discord for years and never knew about that feature 😮

silver zenith Jul 12, 2020, 8:31 PM

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if I use geometry instead of fire geometry can I still assign an rvmat to it?

stuck oyster Jul 12, 2020, 8:34 PM

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Yes

silver zenith Jul 12, 2020, 8:34 PM

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thanks

old gulch Jul 12, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Heya. I've got a friend whose missiles aren't tracking when they change the model p3d. Are there any specific memory points you need for a missile to track?

stuck oyster Jul 12, 2020, 10:07 PM

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should not.

old gulch Jul 12, 2020, 10:08 PM

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Hmm...

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Problem is, there's no P3Ds I can check

stuck oyster Jul 12, 2020, 10:12 PM

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I would wager its a config issue

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although if it is a custom missile model it might lack proper geometry lod

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that I believe is the only thing that can affect the simulation of a shot object

old gulch Jul 12, 2020, 10:15 PM

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Huh, they only have a res lod, so maybe that's it.

old gulch Jul 12, 2020, 10:55 PM

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Yep, seems like that was it

warm berry Jul 13, 2020, 10:20 AM

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Eeyup. It needed a Geometry LOD.

frozen umbra Jul 13, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Is there a min distance between memory points Door_1_trigger and Door_2_trigger ? It seems, they somehow interfere each others interaction. I have the following mempoints set with doors axis. When you trigger 1-st and then 2-nd (opening doors seems fine), you can interact only with one of them. How big is the area and should it these be further away from each other? https://imgur.com/a/tg5rnZh

vital geyser Jul 13, 2020, 5:47 PM

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your config is prob just messed up

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you could prob just have both actions on the same mem point

frozen umbra Jul 13, 2020, 5:55 PM

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oh here it is!
class OpenDoor_1

radius

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yeah you are right

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how one triggers both doors with one mempoint? if reducing radius won't work , I might try that too.

snow crag Jul 13, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Welp I've been following the pmcwiki guide for setting up the P Drive, but it's asking me to edit mapdisk.bat to change the drive letter if i want to, BUT the readme for mapdisk says it is deprecated and been replaced with WorkDrive

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unless i can just change it via arma3tools? https://i.imgur.com/FkU1EJ0.png

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I assume that's what the 2nd option here is for

stuck oyster Jul 13, 2020, 6:17 PM

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if you follow the pmc guide you are not supposed to be in that menu at all

frozen umbra Jul 13, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Yeah, reducing radius didn't help as I thought it will. so the question about opening both doors via one trigger is still standing.

stuck oyster Jul 13, 2020, 6:44 PM

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what now?

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you want them to open together or no?

frozen umbra Jul 13, 2020, 6:55 PM

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yep

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via one trigger mempoint

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2 separate doors, 2 separate axes tho

stuck oyster Jul 13, 2020, 7:30 PM

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try using same source for both

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they would use only 1 trigger too

frozen umbra Jul 13, 2020, 11:18 PM

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mm not sure what source are you referring to ...
model.cfg source is the player source = Door_1_source which is defined in config.cpp source = user; , as I understand it sets who initates the door animation, player = user

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maybe somehow need to init both animations via
statement = ([this, 'Door_1_rot'] call BIS_fnc_DoorNoHandleClose);
since it says

Action taken when this action is selected in the action menu. In this case it calls a function that opens the door.
?

stuck oyster Jul 13, 2020, 11:28 PM

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cant remember what command the BI function uses but yes you will need to init both door animations with the same action

bold flare Jul 14, 2020, 6:56 AM

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I want to make a backpack, but have absolutely 0 experience in modeling "soft" things.
How should I start? Try to make everything has hard poly first, and then try to sculpt the soft parts?

stuck oyster Jul 14, 2020, 7:03 AM

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that would likely work out yes

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blocking out the shape and then adding wrinkles etc details on it

bold flare Jul 14, 2020, 7:22 AM

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Do the "pros" do it the same way? or a different kinda workflow?

stuck oyster Jul 14, 2020, 7:30 AM

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yeah it is totally valid workflow

vapid nexus Jul 14, 2020, 7:33 AM

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Block it out first then move stuff around chamfer and make medium poly after that go with making an high poly and last optimize and bake it all down

runic plover Jul 14, 2020, 7:36 AM

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Just like model a base, improve it then with details, optimize it with your ideas step by step

bold flare Jul 14, 2020, 8:44 AM

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I'll probably never finish it 🤣

runic plover Jul 14, 2020, 8:48 AM

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If you will be not happy with your endresult you did, you will never finish it 😅

bold flare Jul 14, 2020, 8:51 AM

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awww.. unit patches probably are not possible to display on backpack right?

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Need to make the unit insignia display on the backpacks morale patch spot :3

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uh backpacks actually have a clan selection 🤔
anyone ever tried that? Its probably not animated and thus not working 😢

stuck oyster Jul 14, 2020, 9:07 AM

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it should follow the backpack but I dont think the clan insignia assigning works on it

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has to be set via separate setObjectTexture

frozen umbra Jul 14, 2020, 9:29 AM

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cant remember what command the BI function uses but yes you will need to init both door animations with the same action

statement = ([this, 'Door_1_rot'] call BIS_fnc_DoorNoHandleClose);
As far as I understood, unfortunately , statement can't be code that triggers both doors. Its a simplified "instruction" and it can be : value assignment, control structure, scripting command...in this case the latter.

stuck oyster Jul 14, 2020, 9:47 AM

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statement = ([this, 'Door_1_rot'] call BIS_fnc_DoorNoHandleClose;[this, 'Door_2_rot'] call BIS_fnc_DoorNoHandleClose);

frozen umbra Jul 14, 2020, 10:07 AM

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😉 tried that , doesn't work

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opens one section, as if it reads only the first part

runic plover Jul 14, 2020, 10:27 AM

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@frozen umbra what are you trying exactly? Open 2 different doors with one "button"? Or open one door which has 2 parts that has to open?

frozen umbra Jul 14, 2020, 10:29 AM

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I'm trying to open 2 doors (each one have its own axis) via one trigger and same useraction. They should open both at the same time, and close same time.
They are too close to each other, so the triggered icon gets "confused" and sometimes shows interaction with door1 instead of door2 and vice versa, so I need this workaround to work.

runic plover Jul 14, 2020, 10:31 AM

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Ok. So you have to do in the config file 1 source like as example "doors_source" in the class animations

In the modelcfg you have to link both doors with the source = doors_source;

In the user action you have to add the BiS fnc for the doors_source

frozen umbra Jul 14, 2020, 10:32 AM

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class Animations
{
// Animation for rotating door #1 (without a door handle)
class Door_1_rot
{
type = rotation;
source = Door_1_source; // Controler defined in class AnimationSources in config.cpp.
selection = Door_1; // Selection from p3d that also has to be defined as a bone in this model`s skeleton.
axis = Door_1_axis; // Axis of the rotation.
memory = 1;
minValue = 0; // Value of the controller at which the rotation will be angle0
maxValue = 1; // Value of the controller at which the rotation will be angle1
angle0 = 0;
angle1 = (rad 110); // "rad" converts from degrees to radians
};

        class Door_2_rot: Door_1_rot
        {
            source            = **Door_1_source**;
            selection        = Door_2;
            axis            = Door_2_axis;
            angle1            = -(rad 110);
        };
    };

thats model.cfg
like so?

runic plover Jul 14, 2020, 10:33 AM

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Looks good. Thats in the modelcfg

frozen umbra Jul 14, 2020, 10:34 AM

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yep.

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class Door_2_source: Door_1_source {};
in config.cpp - door2 source inherits door1 params so it doesn't really matter, if I set it to Door_1_source or Door_2_source

runic plover Jul 14, 2020, 10:35 AM

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In the config class animations you have to do the Door_1_source

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Cause both doors use door 1 source

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Door 2 source isnt needed cause you linked both doors to door 1 source

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And with the user action you execute door 1 source

frozen umbra Jul 14, 2020, 10:37 AM

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class AnimationSources
{
//Animation sources for doors
class Door_1_source
{
source = "user"; // "user" = custom source = not controlled by some engine value
initPhase = 0; // Initial value of animations based on this source
animPeriod = 1; // Coefficient for duration of change of this animation
sound = "GenericDoorsSound"; /// Selects sound class from CfgAnimationSourceSounds that is going to be used for sounds of doors
};
class Door_2_source: Door_1_source {};
};

thats config.cpp part

runic plover Jul 14, 2020, 10:39 AM

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This are now more sources but you want only to execute door 1 source

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You have to execute it in the user action section of the config with that BIS fnc thing

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Better is to give your source names your own names Door_1_source make as example dude_doors_source

And change also in the model cfg the source= dude_doors_source

frozen umbra Jul 14, 2020, 10:45 AM

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why? what difference does it make? if its the same as selection name in the model, it should be just fine? I mean, its just names

runic plover Jul 14, 2020, 10:46 AM

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Its just better that you add own class names to get no troubles with other addons or used commands

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Here as example on my nod laser turret are 4 animations linked with 1 animation source. I have to execute this 1 source and the whole laser makes his animations.

There is the emerge/submerge animation, door left, door right and the laser turret correction. Mixes all with rotation and translation

https://youtu.be/hyE9weBNADE

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You are also able to check your animations if they work in your buldozer /viewer. Press "enter button" until you get your door_1_source and turn your mousewheel forward and back

frozen umbra Jul 14, 2020, 10:56 AM

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heh, opens them both in buldozer

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not in game tho, wtf

runic plover Jul 14, 2020, 10:56 AM

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So your source is correct linked. Now you need to fix your useraction part

frozen umbra Jul 14, 2020, 10:57 AM

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hm.. let me see

runic plover Jul 14, 2020, 10:58 AM

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This you should ask in the #arma3_config thread

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Model part is done, your anims work

frozen umbra Jul 14, 2020, 10:58 AM

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👍

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Thanks, I will

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I appreciate the input @runic plover

runic plover Jul 14, 2020, 10:59 AM

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No problem bud 👍

bold flare Jul 14, 2020, 1:27 PM

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is there such a thing as making textures and model in parallel?
Like I constantly find myself with a "finished" model, just to notice mistakes or places that could use a touchup later when I make the textures in substance.
And the reload mesh stuff works rather not so well for me. Is this just not a thing or am I missing some tricks?

toxic portal Jul 14, 2020, 3:19 PM

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I guess texture sets could perhaps work but you’d end up with multiple colour textures for example

north sundial Jul 14, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Using trim sheets?

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When I’m making a set of environment art i work on my trim sheets in parallel

bold flare Jul 14, 2020, 4:24 PM

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don't know what that is 🙃

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I make model, drag in substance painter and paint on it. Thats all I know

north sundial Jul 14, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Trim sheets are basically just a few textures on one texture

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IziIY674NAw

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@bold flare that explains it pretty well

bold flare Jul 14, 2020, 4:34 PM

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oooof

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don't think I can apply that for my uses

wispy sage Jul 14, 2020, 4:45 PM

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I've got software that can do partial UV unwrap and pack for blender. Helps me a ton because I match your work style. If I need to go back and fix just one component of the model I re-unwrap just that section thus preserving all the other texture work. Then substance painters texture preservation system based on mesh ID kicks in and further reduces what I have to do on the modified portion.

cyan heart Jul 14, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Trim sheets probably aren't what you're looking for no.
Easiest would be to put all your materials that you have applied on your model in one folder and make it a smartmaterial.
Then once you updated your model, put the smart material on your model.
It will retain all layers, materials etc in that smartmaterial so you can edit them just like before.

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You might need to adjust the UV and if so, then you may end up having to completly redo your textures in substance.
But if you try to use as many generators and seamless textures as possible and not hand paint too much, this won't be an issue.
You will only have to redo the handpainted stuff

bold flare Jul 14, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Ah thats an idea

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if I split the UV into 4 sections for example, and update a part of the model I may only need to redo one section

cyan heart Jul 14, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Yup, just make sure you don't split it into too many sections, not sure what you're working on, but vehicles usually have ~2 textures for the exterior, one for the interior and maybe one more for other stuff.
If you make a pistol, having 3 or more sections is not really needed, one should be enough

bold flare Jul 14, 2020, 4:52 PM

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wanna do a backpack I think

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someday 😄 just planning

cyan heart Jul 14, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Afaik all backpacks in Arma have just one main texture, you usually only split them into more sections to get higher texel density, a backpack doesn't have alot of surface area compared to a car or even a building, so it's not really needed.
You could maybe split the cloth and all the other parts like zippers, buckles etc

bold flare Jul 14, 2020, 4:56 PM

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I don't know yet if I'll try to make it efficient or not

cyan heart Jul 14, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Oh, I may have misunderstood, if you split the UV into 4 sections, like not actually having 4 different textures and UVs, but instead just separate the UV island into 4 squares that could also work

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Well if it works it works, if you just do it to learn the process it should be fine

bold flare Jul 14, 2020, 4:57 PM

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but instead just separate the UV island into 4 squares
thats what I meant yeah

north sundial Jul 15, 2020, 9:25 AM

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anyone know what they are doing with AI path lods? i cant seem to get them to open a door

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ActionBegin1 = door_1_open;
ActionEnd1 = door_1_open;
numberOfDoors = 1;

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I have this in my config

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https://gyazo.com/b97e2b594ee0b4686041b0401d368d99

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and this in my model

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is there something im missing?

runic plover Jul 15, 2020, 10:05 AM

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@north sundial

Do you have this "onlyforplayer = 1; " set to 0? Its in class UserActions

north sundial Jul 15, 2020, 10:05 AM

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onlyForPlayer = false;

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It has this

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thats what it says in the example

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should it be 0?

runic plover Jul 15, 2020, 10:06 AM

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False or 0 should be the same. May try 0 but i think this will not solve the problem

north sundial Jul 15, 2020, 10:07 AM

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packing it with 0 instead of false

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no joy

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Any other ideas

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?

runic plover Jul 15, 2020, 10:12 AM

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Which names you got in the geometry?

north sundial Jul 15, 2020, 10:12 AM

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named properties?

runic plover Jul 15, 2020, 10:12 AM

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Yes

north sundial Jul 15, 2020, 10:12 AM

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or selections

runic plover Jul 15, 2020, 10:12 AM

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Properties

north sundial Jul 15, 2020, 10:12 AM

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Oh currently none

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I guess that might be the issue

runic plover Jul 15, 2020, 10:13 AM

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You need

Class houseanimated
Damage building
Map house

north sundial Jul 15, 2020, 10:14 AM

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i'll try that

runic plover Jul 15, 2020, 10:15 AM

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Or check the Samples/Addons/Test_House_01 model

north sundial Jul 15, 2020, 10:15 AM

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Yeah for some reason my named properties window was unchecked so i didn't notice it

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ive been skipping back and forth trying to find differences haha

runic plover Jul 15, 2020, 10:16 AM

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These are little glitches sometimes i also forgot ^^

north sundial Jul 15, 2020, 10:16 AM

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Just doing a full build

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It should work even if its a standalone door right?

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kind of like a gate

runic plover Jul 15, 2020, 10:17 AM

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Not sure, i did my gate with a script array that opens automatic only for blufor or only for opfor with a function with no useraction

north sundial Jul 15, 2020, 10:18 AM

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well the ai wont even walk through it atm

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even if its open

runic plover Jul 15, 2020, 10:19 AM

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Thats because the main model is closed at begin

I did a little trick on my gate. My gate is in the model opened and i close it only once in the script. So the AI notices it as opened.

north sundial Jul 15, 2020, 10:21 AM

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hmm

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still no

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the rest of the pieces work

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apart from the door haha

runic plover Jul 15, 2020, 10:23 AM

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Maybe check the test house again if there is directly the in and action begin or if there is a pos1 first, or if your actionbegin is to close on the mesh

north sundial Jul 15, 2020, 10:24 AM

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No just in1 etc

runic plover Jul 15, 2020, 10:26 AM

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Try to copy it out of the testhouse and put it in your path, just only one side for first. In1 and actionbegin1

north sundial Jul 15, 2020, 10:26 AM

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Wait i may have found the issue

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one of the fans had a backside face for some reason

runic plover Jul 15, 2020, 10:27 AM

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Alright probably thats it ^^

north sundial Jul 15, 2020, 10:30 AM

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didn't work first try, trying a full build

runic plover Jul 15, 2020, 10:32 AM

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If still not work try to copy it from the test house just only one side for a test

north sundial Jul 15, 2020, 10:32 AM

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yeah will do

north sundial Jul 15, 2020, 10:56 AM

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Okay finally got it to work

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kinda unsure why its working

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but it is

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haha

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Thank you for your help @runic plover much appreciated

stuck oyster Jul 15, 2020, 10:59 AM

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👌

runic plover Jul 15, 2020, 11:02 AM

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No problem 👍

sturdy parcel Jul 15, 2020, 11:36 AM

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the word False does not exist. if you want to use it,
#define false 0
the above is already set in a3commondefs.h and my tools auto accept true/false and "true"/"false" in any case.

north sundial Jul 15, 2020, 12:08 PM

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Thanks 👍

junior saddle Jul 15, 2020, 5:33 PM

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The vanilla NVGs and TI headgear all have two models for the on and off positions. I was wondering why it's like this, and if there's a way to just animate a single model file instead?

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... for my own vision enhancement headsets

stuck oyster Jul 15, 2020, 5:54 PM

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I would say there is nothing that would animate them

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as the equipment is drawn on characters via the equipment proxies

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btw if anyone wonders maximum hard limit for geometry components is 2048

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as that seems to be the maximum number of named selections a lod can have

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came across this by some happy little accidents.

junior saddle Jul 15, 2020, 6:01 PM

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Cool. I thought it was more like in the 200s

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Sorry, to be obtuse, but couldn't the config to turn on/off the gear have been easily made to animate it/

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?

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... I guess it would take a little scripting.

stuck oyster Jul 15, 2020, 6:08 PM

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you cant access those objects via scripting

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they are visually there

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but there is no commands to grab the actual object

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so no

silver zenith Jul 15, 2020, 6:18 PM

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jesus craig'slist @stuck oyster how did you even reach 2048+

stuck oyster Jul 15, 2020, 6:20 PM

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happy little accidents 😉

quick terrace Jul 15, 2020, 6:38 PM

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@stuck oyster :)) nice

stuck oyster Jul 15, 2020, 6:39 PM

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the thing I tested it on did work though. but possibly in more complex scene things could go bonkers

north sundial Jul 15, 2020, 6:47 PM

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can you proxy in lights or do they have to be configged?

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as in the actual light that comes out

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probably a dumb question but

stuck oyster Jul 15, 2020, 6:49 PM

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needs to be configured in the main model as far as I know

north sundial Jul 15, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Okay cool

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Just wanted to know if i could save time

junior saddle Jul 15, 2020, 9:24 PM

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@stuck oyster are you making Transformers? I can see that many moving parts there.

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Or... possibly making a crowd of about 9 or 10 people into one model.

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@north sundial I'm not sure if this will help, but the lights use a proxy already for the cone/beam. for the "brightness" on the light bulb area you use a memory point, and for where the light shines onto the environment it uses two more memory points, each light.
...

runic plover Jul 15, 2020, 9:31 PM

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not every light. markerlights got only 1 memory point

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reflectors got 2

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markerlight is defined by name = blabla (memorypoint in the model, selectionname), reflector is positon = blabla (memorypoint in the model, selectionname, and direction = blabla (memorypoint in the model, selectionname)

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to make room lightnings in structures, as its best is to use markerlights. it makes a smoother lightning and isnt coned

junior saddle Jul 15, 2020, 9:35 PM

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True enough

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The cone only exists if you put the proxy in, though. You could have a car headlight in a room with or without a cone depending on the tone you want to set.

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Interrogation lamp, for example

runic plover Jul 15, 2020, 9:38 PM

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it even creates a cone lightning with the reflector configured, even without a proxy. cause it has the position to the direction

junior saddle Jul 15, 2020, 9:38 PM

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hmmm. ok

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So then what's the proxy for??

runic plover Jul 15, 2020, 9:39 PM

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the proxy shows the cone

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its the visual cone not the light itself

junior saddle Jul 15, 2020, 9:40 PM

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OIC, yeah... that's what I'm talking about

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there would still be a cone of unseen light until it affects a surface that passes into it, but leaving the proxy out would make it unseen.

runic plover Jul 15, 2020, 9:41 PM

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yep

junior saddle Jul 15, 2020, 9:42 PM

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the visible cone is not really a cone, anyway

runic plover Jul 15, 2020, 9:42 PM

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but im a bit frustrated about the light handlings. sadly the lights arent like the moon or the sun

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moon and sun cast shadows and dont shine trough walls & objects. normal lights shine trough walls and objects

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and dont cast shadows

junior saddle Jul 15, 2020, 9:45 PM

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yeah. I think they did that on purpose to cut down on mixed shadows - from multiple sources. It's easy to have control over that with the sun. I don't recall the moon casting shadows?

runic plover Jul 15, 2020, 9:59 PM

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moon is also casting shadows if you got a clear night

chrome slate Jul 16, 2020, 4:24 AM

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Hello, small question, does anyone know what might've caused this issue with the weapon not showing up?
https://gyazo.com/ac841383ac57b05bad4434758b8ad3d8

median bough Jul 16, 2020, 5:07 AM

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missing displayName maybe

chrome slate Jul 16, 2020, 5:08 AM

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it's not that it doesn't show the name, it's just that it doesn't exist whatsoever, no ammo or anything

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haven't worked on this sortof stuff much before so I'm a bit new to this xD

runic plover Jul 16, 2020, 5:49 AM

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Its more a config question, cfgAmmo, cfgMagazines, cfgWeapons, somewhere its not fitting

chrome slate Jul 16, 2020, 5:49 AM

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yeah, I'm re-doing them

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I'll go ask the config bois upstairs if I have anymore problems

north sundial Jul 16, 2020, 5:57 PM

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What could cause this shimmering effect on an emissive?

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https://gyazo.com/1f7ecaa6c171d9a33ffd067f14c024ea

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The model has forcenotalpha on it due to it having a few alphas

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if that makes any difference

stuck oyster Jul 16, 2020, 5:57 PM

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what do you mean by shimmering?

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what is it supposed to look like?

north sundial Jul 16, 2020, 5:59 PM

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https://gyazo.com/cc7ae02bb7f2b3217bb26bae2b6baa7f

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More like this

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Both are the same RVMAT

silver zenith Jul 16, 2020, 6:05 PM

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I'm trying to see a model at any distance but I can't
I gave it FeatureType = 2
and I've given it only one resolution LOD
in eden it works but once ingame it doesn't

north sundial Jul 16, 2020, 6:10 PM

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So the issue is the forcenotalpha, but if i remove it the object becomes see through

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dilemma

rough idol Jul 16, 2020, 6:14 PM

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@silver zenith have you tried setFeatureType ? are you sure there are not typos?

silver zenith Jul 16, 2020, 6:14 PM

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yeah used setFeatureType

stuck oyster Jul 16, 2020, 6:20 PM

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how small/large is it?

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@north sundial you may need to split your transparent parts into separate p3d and load that in as a proxy

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I think that has helped in some cases

silver zenith Jul 16, 2020, 6:20 PM

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considerably large

stuck oyster Jul 16, 2020, 6:21 PM

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in meters

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thanksplox

silver zenith Jul 16, 2020, 6:22 PM

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I honestly have no clue
its a stupidly long cylinder, 10m wide indefenitely tall

woeful viper Jul 16, 2020, 6:23 PM

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10m is not considerably large

silver zenith Jul 16, 2020, 6:23 PM

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well its apparently 999 tall

woeful viper Jul 16, 2020, 6:23 PM

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that doesnt say much, as the algorithm might treat height different from width

silver zenith Jul 16, 2020, 6:24 PM

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yeah I've noticed
it seems that it becomes visible when getting upward close to the center of mass

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was hoping to have it just always visible

stuck oyster Jul 16, 2020, 6:26 PM

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yea no if the center is too far from view its not drawn

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its not "in view" anymore

north sundial Jul 16, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Well that may be the best option tbh

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Thanks for the tip I’ll see how I get on 👍

north sundial Jul 16, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Thanks goat, it works perfectly now 🙂

silver zenith Jul 16, 2020, 6:47 PM

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why would it work in eden though @stuck oyster

stuck oyster Jul 16, 2020, 6:48 PM

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different camera

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I've done my share of large objects. It just happens if the center gets too far

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if it does not have view geometry lod you can try adding that

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it could help

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of course it will need a geometry block in it

silver zenith Jul 16, 2020, 6:51 PM

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is there a specific place where I should place the block for max visibility?

stuck oyster Jul 16, 2020, 6:52 PM

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whole length of the object I suppose

north sundial Jul 17, 2020, 7:37 AM

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If an objects animations aren’t working correctly when placed on terrains, is that because it’s missing certain named properties or something else

rough idol Jul 17, 2020, 7:56 AM

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@north sundial https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/The_Land_xx_class

The Land xx class

north sundial Jul 17, 2020, 7:58 AM

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So if i change class OPTRE_FR_Door : OPTRE_FR_Hallway_Base to class Land_OPTRE_FR_Door : OPTRE_FR_Hallway_Base

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That would do it?

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Ive already got the named properties its saying

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Just confused if i need to make a separate class

runic plover Jul 17, 2020, 8:16 AM

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@north sundial You also have to take care, in the p3d LOD Geometry you got named property (class = housesimulated)

north sundial Jul 17, 2020, 8:17 AM

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As well as class = house or houseanimated?

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or will they all do the trick?

runic plover Jul 17, 2020, 8:17 AM

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Class = housesimulated

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Or was it houseanimated.. no simulated it was

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class : housesimulated

north sundial Jul 17, 2020, 8:18 AM

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so many house classes

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haha

runic plover Jul 17, 2020, 8:18 AM

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Yes but this one is needed to let work your anims

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Btw OPTRE isnt this the Operation Trebuchet mod?

north sundial Jul 17, 2020, 8:24 AM

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Yeah

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It is

runic plover Jul 17, 2020, 8:25 AM

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Are you a developer of them?

north sundial Jul 17, 2020, 8:25 AM

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Yeah, all my questions have been to get these ingame https://gyazo.com/collections/bd43a272cf7ec093c65529b8bbcf6a74

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the bunker stuff is my models and ive worked on implementing 95% of it

runic plover Jul 17, 2020, 8:26 AM

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Ok good 👍 nice stuff i like sci fi things 👌😁

north sundial Jul 17, 2020, 8:27 AM

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Whats your mod again? i remember reading its not based on the present?

runic plover Jul 17, 2020, 8:28 AM

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Tiberian Genesis / Command & Conquer Tiberian Sun / Firestorm total conversion

north sundial Jul 17, 2020, 8:29 AM

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Oh nice C&C, one of my old faves in terms of games

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i'll look them up

stuck oyster Jul 17, 2020, 10:16 AM

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@north sundial @runic plover class house and class housesimulated should both have working animations

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In named properties.

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Wiki page for named properties has more options explained

runic plover Jul 17, 2020, 10:18 AM

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Now you make me worried, some days ago i had forgot to add housesimulated to the conyard and the ventilators and lights were not working, but was first to class house think_turtle

stuck oyster Jul 17, 2020, 10:20 AM

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Perhaps you had a typo in the house. As far as I know it should work

runic plover Jul 17, 2020, 10:21 AM

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Maybe. Ill check it when im home if class house also works 😏

white jay Jul 17, 2020, 1:29 PM

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I have learned true power
https://gyazo.com/18d068bb4826d4560f85ffca967140db (screenie of hammer)

bold flare Jul 17, 2020, 1:37 PM

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derpWolf

📎 3dsmax_2020-07-17_15-37-25.png

white jay Jul 17, 2020, 1:54 PM

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dedmens ban hammer

bold flare Jul 17, 2020, 1:57 PM

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i makes rubber ducky sounds when you hammer down

woeful viper Jul 17, 2020, 3:23 PM

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(but its only a cheap sound board from a gift card, the hammer is actually of lead...)

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 4:00 PM

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in rvmats, whats the difference between these 3?
emmisive[]={255,255,255,1};
emmisive[]={1,1,1,1};
emmisive[]={255,100,100,1};

bold flare Jul 17, 2020, 4:03 PM

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colors should be clamped to 0-1

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but these are clearly not doing that

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I think the higher the numbers, the brighter it is

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so first is brightest, second is white glow, last is red-blue-greenish glow

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 4:04 PM

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I'm trying to have something that will be bright at night but will not destroying aperture
because if I use 255,255,255, my screen gets extremely dark

bold flare Jul 17, 2020, 4:05 PM

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then just use the second one, the 1,1,1

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https://dedmen.artstation.com/projects/qgDvy see night and nightvision screenshots
The glow variant rvmat seems to be emmisive[] = {8,8,10,10};

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 4:07 PM

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did you notice it affecting aperture?

bold flare Jul 17, 2020, 4:07 PM

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no

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 4:07 PM

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usually when staring directl at it

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alright

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tried with 1,1,1 and it still messes up aperture

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is there a way to lock aperture in a mission?

short plinth Jul 17, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Hi there guys ... im just starting with 3d modeling so im pretty new at this point .. i have a question hope u can help me on this.. in order to create a mod with my 3d model and use it in Arma 3 ... do u guys know up to how many polys or how well detailed Arma 3 will accept this 3d model?

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 4:45 PM

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@short plinth depends on the model and its frequency in a map

short plinth Jul 17, 2020, 4:46 PM

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hey there man .. lets say its a vehicle .. like the offroad

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so id say a moderate use in map

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 4:48 PM

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huh..
usually never go higher than 25k
but always aim for lower

short plinth Jul 17, 2020, 4:50 PM

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oh ok .. then 25k ... what could happen if I go higher than that count?

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 4:50 PM

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what model are you using?

short plinth Jul 17, 2020, 4:51 PM

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no model yet .. im just making some previous investigations ... but i was planning to create a 3d model for a Dodge Ram

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and make some police or army skins over it

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 4:52 PM

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to answer your question
you'd lose performance and your framerate would lower as the polys increase

short plinth Jul 17, 2020, 4:53 PM

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got you .. ok .. appreciate ur info buddy .. will try to not go above that count

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 4:54 PM

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lods will also help you balance performance better

short plinth Jul 17, 2020, 4:56 PM

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nice .. will take a look at that info maybe i can ask for model permission to someone who already has that model in WS

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and make the updates i need

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but thats another history

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 4:56 PM

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there is no such model made for A3

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the ones you will find are all stolen / ripped

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or imported from various places, with zero consideration for what it should be a game asset in the first place

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 4:57 PM

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do remember to follow the workshop guidelines or your mod will be put put down with extreme prejudice

short plinth Jul 17, 2020, 4:57 PM

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😭 oh gosh ... then everything will be made from scratch i guess 😦

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 4:58 PM

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95% if not more of the civilian vehicles mods used in A3 are ripped/stolen etc

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 4:58 PM

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yup
just like the big boys do it

short plinth Jul 17, 2020, 4:59 PM

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just right now .. im learning how 3d modeling is done ... and its a huge effort id say

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 4:59 PM

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everyone was a beginner at some point

short plinth Jul 17, 2020, 5:00 PM

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apart of that .. im aware there is a tons of coding and config as well in order to create the proper object and use it in arma 3

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so .. titanic effort id say as well

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:01 PM

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you can always buy one instead
https://i.imgur.com/4RJg9rj.png?1

Imgur

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:01 PM

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that pricetag should be enough to make you understand this is not an easy career choice

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:02 PM

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@short plinth if you are learning 3d modelling, do something easier than a vehicle first

short plinth Jul 17, 2020, 5:02 PM

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ohhh man .. such a nice model .. but .. i see the # of polys is way high

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:02 PM

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20-30k is the option selected

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so it's fine

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:02 PM

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150$

short plinth Jul 17, 2020, 5:02 PM

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that pricetag should be enough to make you understand this is not an easy career choice
@silver zenith yeah .. just now .. appreciate much more that career 😄

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:02 PM

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is the source legit?

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:03 PM

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what?

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you mean hum3d? of course

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:03 PM

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oh cool

short plinth Jul 17, 2020, 5:03 PM

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found this model on another page

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https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/vehicle/truck/dodge-ram-1500-quad-cab-2005

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is low poly

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but i think i could start with that

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:03 PM

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lol

short plinth Jul 17, 2020, 5:03 PM

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😛

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:03 PM

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bit too low poly

short plinth Jul 17, 2020, 5:03 PM

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haha

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yeah

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:04 PM

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you are way better of starting from scratch than from that one

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:04 PM

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its so simple it might not even be stolen lol

short plinth Jul 17, 2020, 5:05 PM

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yeah .. honestly id like to start from 0 .. so i can learn more .. however the model ushared above is pretty much impressive ...

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:05 PM

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buying that model will be only a small part of the deal
you'd still have to make lods for it and do the config

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:06 PM

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90% of the meshes available for purchase, do not include interior etc
the base price for the same hum3d model is 95$, but that comes with a High poly model, and that's it

short plinth Jul 17, 2020, 5:07 PM

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yeah .. i mean the low poly model (2USD) seems to be a nice deal .. i could say i saved some hours from my time on doing that part .. but .. lots of work will still pending

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:07 PM

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not textures, no UVs, some hundred thousands poly mesh

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you won't save time, you will waste time in the long run

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even for the 2$ price

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pretty sure it has nothing to do with the real thing, it's made pretty much without proper blueprints behind, and for good reason, it doesn't need that for that lp

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never use meshes even for 3d refs, unless you know how these have been made

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i can vouch for hum3d being modeled based on direct manufacturer blueprints and with tons of photo refs on hand

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not sure about others

short plinth Jul 17, 2020, 5:10 PM

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good advices ... so far .. from a beginner like me .. i think the best option is to start with something more "easy" ... maybe a gun or anything like that

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:11 PM

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boxes are usually a good start

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:11 PM

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more likely some ammo box

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than a gun

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or some other simple prop

short plinth Jul 17, 2020, 5:12 PM

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🤔 yeah .. that is another pretty good option

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:13 PM

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what was the button to change lod tye from object builder?

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:13 PM

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i did these in a few hours (around 6-7h) of waiting on some render farm, 2 days work evening including vector branding etc

📎 screenshot000.png

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:14 PM

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render farm?

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:14 PM

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yeah

short plinth Jul 17, 2020, 5:14 PM

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i did these in a few hours (around 6-7h) of waiting on some render farm, 2 days work evening including vector branding etc
@quick terrace wow .. nice models

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:16 PM

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but then again, if you wanna start modelling, you could easily start with something like that

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or a jerry can

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which is definitely a ton more complicated

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:18 PM

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been almost a month and I still struggle with curves

short plinth Jul 17, 2020, 5:18 PM

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yeah... definitely ill start with simple things .. because now that i see ur models ... i assume for a vehicle u need to create a 3d model for the "new vehicle" and another for the " destroyed" one right?

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:18 PM

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correct

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:18 PM

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@silver zenith why dude, i like em a bit curvy

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@short plinth yes, but most of the time that can be done with a bit of simulation help and some minor manual adjustments

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in general, you need to create a HP model, bake the info down to LP once you've done the UVs, then do the texturing, and eventually all the lods and inject into the game and adjust things together with configs and the likes

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:20 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/pJ6r35A
been making this as a main model but I still can't seem to do the hull curves right
as you can see it looks a bit jelly

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:21 PM

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in short, doing a vehicle from scratch can take a few hundred work hours

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:21 PM

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+the weird sharp edges that have no reason to be sharp

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:21 PM

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is that blender?

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:21 PM

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yeah

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:22 PM

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no idea, irc it should still use smoothgroups, or hard/smooth edges

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:22 PM

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it has sharp and smooth edges but some just don't want to be smooth for some reason

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:22 PM

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for curves, the general idea is to start with a very low poly mesh, and catmul clark subdive (or whatever other systems the software supports, like opensubdiv)

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:22 PM

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the angle is just the same as many others

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:23 PM

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maybe not welded or such?

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:23 PM

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checked that and nope

wispy sage Jul 17, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Do you have auto smooth on and set to an angle of 180?

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:23 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipnm8Cxu500

YouTube

ArtsyGamex

Mercedes-Benz AMG GT 3D Car Modeling Timelapse | Blender 2.8

Hey,
This time i have made #Mercedes AMG GT, in #blender3d. Also i have recorded whole process video, In coming days i will be uploading normal slow process video on here so you guys can follow and make it too, So just Subscribe if you are new and stay tuned.

Download Project...

▶ Play video

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:23 PM

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autosmooth on but not on 180, seems pointless

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:23 PM

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example of proper subdiv workflow, directly in blender

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:24 PM

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and even at 180 it still doesn't get smooth

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:24 PM

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if you try and subdivide it, does it properly subdivide it?

wispy sage Jul 17, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Setting it to 180 sets it so only edges manually marked sharp are actual sharp. Did you try reapplying shade smooth? And are you sure you don't have split edges?

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:25 PM

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done all of that
split edges?

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@quick terrace everything subdivides but those edges
its cursed

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:26 PM

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sounds like split edges

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:26 PM

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what does that mean?

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:26 PM

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as in vertices are not welded, so there is a gap there

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it can't subdivide it if the entire mesh is not connected

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same for smoothing

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:27 PM

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checked that and they are connected

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2 verts one edge

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:27 PM

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did you use any crease on these edges

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:27 PM

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nope

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wait crease?

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:27 PM

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ca you export that mesh quickly and send it as FBX/OBJ or alike

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since i am not a blender user

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crease - it's a system used by OpenSubdiv, which allows the use of fewer supporting edges, like you would need in traditional subdiv (catmul) workflow

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not sure how that works in blender, but i know they have implemented disney's OSD before 2.80

wispy sage Jul 17, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Are you using a bevel modifier Sanchez, or did you do those bevels on the model manually?

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:30 PM

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manually

wispy sage Jul 17, 2020, 5:33 PM

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The whole thing is your model right? No way for it to have custom split normals data in the geo data. I guess you are just cursed. You could try opening a new blank project, paste the model in there, apply shade smooth, and see what happens.

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:35 PM

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you have inverted faces

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:36 PM

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were it not for the laws of this land I would have said several curse words

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thanks for the check @quick terrace hokkam's razor slapped me in the face

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:37 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/bfYkwWl.png?1

Imgur

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https://i.imgur.com/vAexJv4.png?1

Imgur

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it is advisable to work using backface cull tbh

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first image backface cull active, second, without backface cull active. black faces are inverted faces

warm berry Jul 17, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Question for y'all Blender users: I'm trying to open up the Project Blockhead dev files so I can see what they did/needed for rigging, but when I open it up, everything is hidden save for the face, but the Eye icon is open at the same time...

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... Also, how do I post images?

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:39 PM

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what is project blockhead

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you imgur the images

silver zenith Jul 17, 2020, 5:40 PM

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yeah @quick terrace took me literally a second to fix it
honestly I was still pretty entry level when I made it and completely forgot about it

bold flare Jul 17, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Blockhead is Mondkalbs lego stuff

quick terrace Jul 17, 2020, 5:41 PM

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ahh, did he release the source files?

bold flare Jul 17, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Think so yea

warm berry Jul 17, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Project Blockhead was basically someone adding Lego men to Arma. They released the source files so people could use their work as an example.

https://imgur.com/e1CcxjV

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That's what I see right now.

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That's from their source blender files

wispy sage Jul 17, 2020, 5:44 PM

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In the outliner on the right click the little funnel symbol and enable the TV icon. Then make sure that TV icon is lit up on everything in the list.

warm berry Jul 17, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Ahah. That was it. Thank you. ^^

white jay Jul 17, 2020, 11:17 PM

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https://gyazo.com/c2ec789cf7ae4169afed5387f5069dd6 (more hammer screenies) Ive made the hammer but now can I make a tank thonk

bold flare Jul 17, 2020, 11:25 PM

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A tank?

noble shoal Jul 17, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Propane?

bold flare Jul 17, 2020, 11:27 PM

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https://media.tenor.com/images/4b349e5b0f7559a460aa31cc2a8a7426/tenor.gif

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Can't even find a simple tank gif image thing on phone

white jay Jul 17, 2020, 11:28 PM

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nope big boy tank

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its hard to choose between making something abominable and something legit to

bold flare Jul 17, 2020, 11:29 PM

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I wouldn't even attempt, too much different stuff I know nothing about.
I can't even do a weapon

white jay Jul 17, 2020, 11:30 PM

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yeah sadly all the tutorials online are on how to import a tank and not make one

noble shoal Jul 17, 2020, 11:33 PM

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And you'd probably make an APC or IFV and call it a tank 😉

white jay Jul 17, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Im dumb but not that dumb😋

steel vector Jul 17, 2020, 11:35 PM

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actually, that is how the wiki explains it 🤣
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Tanks_Config_Guidelines#Comparison_TankX_vs._CarX

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it's just a car with more wheels

noble shoal Jul 17, 2020, 11:36 PM

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😡

white jay Jul 17, 2020, 11:41 PM

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thonk well, that shows how much i know which is absolutely nothing like usual 🤔

twin urchin Jul 18, 2020, 12:20 PM

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Question - you have pistol that uses magazine proxy and having mag loaded , but when you holster it into holster , it becomes holstered without magazine

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any way to workaround it?

polar fiber Jul 18, 2020, 12:22 PM

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model a default magazine inside it and use isSelected anim source to hide it when the player draws the weapon maybe?

twin urchin Jul 18, 2020, 12:23 PM

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no other way? its not possible to make the magazine proxy working in the holster?

polar fiber Jul 18, 2020, 12:25 PM

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Probably not. I don't think they show in weaponHolders etc. either do they?

twin urchin Jul 18, 2020, 12:26 PM

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when you drop them they do show the magazine loaded

polar fiber Jul 18, 2020, 12:27 PM

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Dropped weapons are not the same as weaponHolder etc. though I don't think

stuck oyster Jul 18, 2020, 12:47 PM

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Weapon proxy magazines show in the rifle when it's on back though right?

polar fiber Jul 18, 2020, 12:57 PM

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Yea, but those are placed there by character animation. They're not loaded onto a proxy in the vest (which is a proxy itself) in the way that pistols now are

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Pistol mags showing, would be a proxy on a proxy on a proxy

stuck oyster Jul 18, 2020, 12:57 PM

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Ah true

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😝

woeful viper Jul 18, 2020, 3:24 PM

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@white jay search for blueprints and learn how to set them up in your tool. After that its just... trace the lines and figuring out what goes where in 3rd dimension more or less...

white jay Jul 18, 2020, 3:33 PM

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@woeful viper thanks for the advice 👍

rough idol Jul 18, 2020, 9:28 PM

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@polar fiber actually it would be proxy (mag) on a proxy (weapon ) on a proxy (holdster) on a proxy (vést)

runic plover Jul 19, 2020, 9:53 AM

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Anyone know how BI made the electric lines / electric poles fit together? Is there any trick/way to add any command into the 3d model? I need to know that for laser fences to fit the laser lines together by placing it on nonflat terrain think_turtle

stuck oyster Jul 19, 2020, 9:56 AM

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They may have had automated tool for that in terrain processor. That just does not work with the normal version of TP but only in de build version of TP but everything else broke in the dev version.

runic plover Jul 19, 2020, 9:58 AM

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okey, so ill try to go a other way then. thank you bud 🙂

median bough Jul 19, 2020, 10:04 AM

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didn't somebody build a powerline tool/script?
i remember seeing something a good time ago

north sundial Jul 19, 2020, 10:37 AM

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In theory you could make the lasers and poles separate and then just angle the lasers to the poles?

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Would be tedious

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Or could snap points be used?

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Idk if they work in tv

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Tb *

stuck oyster Jul 19, 2020, 10:52 AM

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Rotating the laser will shorten it. There are no nice and easy way to do it

orchid spruce Jul 19, 2020, 4:27 PM

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I had a weapon that had a non-discrete skeleton set up where parts were assigned to a selection with varying weights, I had isDiscrete=0; set in the skeleton in model.cfg and it was working all good, now as I was doing stuff on other parts, that also randomly decided to stop working

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now all the weighted parts just move with the selection as if it was just assigned to it with 100% weight

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skeleton config looks like this ```sqf
class M45SK
{
isDiscrete=0;
skeletonInherit="";
skeletonBones[]=
{
"magazine","",
"bullets","magazine",
"bolt","",
"Trigger","",
"stock","",
"zasleh",""
};
};

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"bolt" is the one that has parts weighted to it

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the weights seem to function fine in object builder, when I move that selection the weighted parts move at different amounts as they should

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it's either just ignoring the weights or somehow ignoring the "isDiscrete" setting

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I even tried re-weighting those parts and it's still not working

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it's starting to drive me crazy a bit

silver zenith Jul 19, 2020, 6:23 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/eD1IgQN
anyone knows whats causing these weird lines in this model?
they rotate along with the camera

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the lines seem to increase on the spots where there is an object behind

runic plover Jul 19, 2020, 6:31 PM

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which weird lines i cant see any weird line 😄

silver zenith Jul 19, 2020, 6:46 PM

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@runic plover its kinda hard to show them unless you're ingame
you can see them better here
https://imgur.com/a/xKC5JqD

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it looks like it has a slight transparency

white jay Jul 19, 2020, 7:35 PM

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Anyone know what could be causing the shadows on this uniform to go wonky? https://imgur.com/ZGgE099

silver zenith Jul 19, 2020, 7:35 PM

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@white jay the shadow lod is not made correctly

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try to keep it inside and smaller than the resolution lod

white jay Jul 19, 2020, 7:36 PM

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would that be in the rvmat?

silver zenith Jul 19, 2020, 7:41 PM

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nope thats a model problem
did you make it?

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I guess not

white jay Jul 19, 2020, 7:41 PM

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No, I had someone send it to me

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I can edit it in blender though

silver zenith Jul 19, 2020, 7:43 PM

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tell this someone to fix the shadow lod
if you want to do it yourself(wouldnt recommend) read this
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/LOD#ShadowVolume

white jay Jul 19, 2020, 7:43 PM

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thanks!

stuck oyster Jul 19, 2020, 10:49 PM

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@white jay where is the model from? I hope it is not from some other game.

silver zenith Jul 20, 2020, 7:19 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/2hCRqGY
how do I center this model here?
I need it to rotate around the circular base

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https://imgur.com/a/mzBWS82
in arma it centers at the middle of the model

marsh canyon Jul 20, 2020, 7:34 AM

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autocenter = 0 named property?

silver zenith Jul 20, 2020, 7:43 AM

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sounds useful, I'll check

silver zenith Jul 20, 2020, 8:01 AM

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@marsh canyon should it be 0 or 1?

marsh canyon Jul 20, 2020, 9:03 AM

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0

runic plover Jul 20, 2020, 9:21 AM

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As far i know, autocenter with object models is not good because its centring the model under the middle line, and objects dont have landcontact like moveable have

silver zenith Jul 20, 2020, 9:21 AM

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it worked for me and it did the job

runic plover Jul 20, 2020, 9:21 AM

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Then its good.

stuck oyster Jul 20, 2020, 9:22 AM

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Model can be build around the object space origin and autocenter 0 can then be used without any problem.

silver zenith Jul 20, 2020, 9:23 AM

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thanks for the help @marsh canyon

runic plover Jul 20, 2020, 9:23 AM

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Alright ^^. I wasnt sure cause i only use it on character models

silver zenith Jul 20, 2020, 9:24 AM

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the biki says its mostly used with proxies
but it really helped me with my case, and the rotation works perfectly

stuck oyster Jul 20, 2020, 9:24 AM

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Characters and proxy objects need it because engine reasons

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Buildings can make use of it too

runic plover Jul 20, 2020, 9:25 AM

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Yes thats the reason i knew. But objects/buildings i wasnt sure, maybe i mistaken it with center all (option in the OB) with the autocenter ^^

silver zenith Jul 20, 2020, 9:55 AM

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what is the problem if corpses, bullets and grenades can fall through my static object?

stuck oyster Jul 20, 2020, 9:57 AM

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Geometry lod issue likely

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Or that it's too big

silver zenith Jul 20, 2020, 9:59 AM

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its 10m wide
it was a flattened cube

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so it couldn't be more simple than that
what could be wrong?

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something like mass?

stuck oyster Jul 20, 2020, 10:03 AM

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For geometry to work, each part that you want to have collision must have mass, component name and be convex

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For walking on things you also need a roadway lod

silver zenith Jul 20, 2020, 10:06 AM

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done all that
walking works fine but as soon as a unit dies they plop down the floor

stuck oyster Jul 20, 2020, 10:07 AM

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How thick is the part?

silver zenith Jul 20, 2020, 10:08 AM

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not much but its not 2D
https://imgur.com/a/flIRYR6

stuck oyster Jul 20, 2020, 10:09 AM

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Well how thick xD

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Things usually may need to be at least 10cm

silver zenith Jul 20, 2020, 10:09 AM

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I think its 0.117 meters

stuck oyster Jul 20, 2020, 10:09 AM

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Preferably more

silver zenith Jul 20, 2020, 10:10 AM

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could it also be related to this problem?https://imgur.com/a/xKC5JqD

stuck oyster Jul 20, 2020, 10:11 AM

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Dunno. Does your model have lot of alpha transparent parts?

silver zenith Jul 20, 2020, 10:11 AM

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not even one

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backfaces are fine

stuck oyster Jul 20, 2020, 10:12 AM

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Could be your texture has alpha channel. Is it saved as _CO?

silver zenith Jul 20, 2020, 10:12 AM

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yup

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in textView2 the alpha channel is fully white

stuck oyster Jul 20, 2020, 10:15 AM

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You could save it without alpha in the file and then convert

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Non transparent alpha channel is still alpha

silver zenith Jul 20, 2020, 10:17 AM

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how can I do that?

orchid spruce Jul 20, 2020, 10:25 AM

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I could still use some help with this, I still can't figure out what the problem is https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/105462541215358976/734446271653478400

silver zenith Jul 20, 2020, 10:44 AM

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@stuck oyster the alpha problem has been solved
so apparently for some reason there was one empty pixel wide line
and that was enough to destroy the whole model

stuck oyster Jul 20, 2020, 12:11 PM

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@silver zenith 👌

runic plover Jul 20, 2020, 1:11 PM

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@silver zenith you can also after the geometry is convexed / and component named check for nonclosed

If no point is getting selected you are fine

silver zenith Jul 20, 2020, 1:12 PM

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yeah I knew that
but it was a literal cube

white jay Jul 20, 2020, 5:17 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/1Pq4g8Q

just wanted to throw in the working inclinometer for the car I've been working on - without help from you guys I'd still be struggling with the basics instead of starting to implement cool gimmicks to make the dashboard feel more alive. Thanks ❤️

stuck oyster Jul 20, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Noice! 👍 👌

woeful viper Jul 20, 2020, 5:31 PM

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very helpfull when the world is wobbling all around again after a night at the pub

runic plover Jul 20, 2020, 6:10 PM

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@white jay add turbo gauge like in my real cars + turbo noise and im happy 😂

silver zenith Jul 20, 2020, 7:54 PM

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when you hit a bush with your car and the inclinometer reaches two zeroes

white jay Jul 20, 2020, 8:30 PM

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it's not an altimeter @silver zenith , just the poor peoples artificial horizon ;)

edgy oak Jul 20, 2020, 9:00 PM

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Hello, i'd like to move a proxy "side" element in Object Builder on each lods at the same time, is there a way to do it ?
Thanks for your help !

stuck oyster Jul 20, 2020, 9:22 PM

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You can try the transformation tool dialog.

silver zenith Jul 21, 2020, 7:36 AM

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how can I copypaste a model and change its LOD?

stuck oyster Jul 21, 2020, 7:37 AM

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From where to where?

silver zenith Jul 21, 2020, 7:38 AM

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from the same model
as if I were using the res lod as a geo lod aswell

stuck oyster Jul 21, 2020, 7:38 AM

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You select what to copy, copy it

silver zenith Jul 21, 2020, 7:38 AM

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which I know its unadvised but the model is a plain sphere

stuck oyster Jul 21, 2020, 7:38 AM

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Make new lod