what am i to make of this anymore?
#arma3_model
steel vector
Are you trying make an unit or an uniform?
naive crescent
uniform
im using the test-uniform config
just swapped out the models and textures for mine
technically not mine
but this warning Warnings in nca_characters\frosta3\frosta3.p3d:shadow(1000)
what does it mean
what do the numbers mean XD
stuck oyster
uniform needs an unit that look s like the uniform
naive crescent
?
yes?
which is what im trying to do here
i looked at the samples
i did as the samples did
steel vector
First error already tells you what is wrong... You inherited the wrong class for the wrong item...
naive crescent
i changed the scope of the base-class to 2
and i ended up with this
the model shows up now.. but yeah...
0:30:47 Warnings in nca_characters\frosta3\frosta3.p3d:shadow(1000)
0:30:47 Warnings in nca_characters\frosta3\frosta3.p3d:shadow(1000)```that's the only error
looks like the model doesnt want to
something about sekeletons
naive crescent
i'm more about "what you did wrong" than "here's the correct answer"
naive crescent
is there a way to bulk-replace materials with another one, in OB or text-editor?
welp, just bulk replaced with text-editor
i hope none of the paths were binarized in some form
sly path
Hello everybody! I recently started getting acquainted with modding and I have one unpleasant problem. For some unknown reason, when I open any model in Object Builder, the fps drops to 1 frame per second. As soon as I run a test or inspect an object in the game the fps is stable. Is there any solution to this problem?
naive crescent
i keep getting this spam Warning: nca_characters\pmc_soldier\pmc_soldier.p3d:1, too many bones (more than 4) on vertex 3187, removed spine2, what is it on about?
silver zenith
@naive crescent for the bulk replace go in OB in tools and select mass rename
naive crescent
can i select vertices by the number?
for example, i get an issue vertex: 207 in the rpt, is there any way for me to know where that is?
silver zenith
I guess they are in order of creation
stuck oyster
what error does it attach to that verticle
stuck oyster
that refers to the skeleton animation weighting
and that you have selections that cause the overall animation weighting on certain verticles to exceed the maximum of 100
I dont recall if OB has any good tools to fix that either
naive crescent
anything else i coulΓΆd fix it with @stuck oyster
stuck oyster
well currently it is a bit too lenghty process to write down. Its not gamebreaking but can cause some log spam
naive crescent
it logs only at the start
when the object first spawns in for the gameplay session
but it's not horrible?
and it's only like 10 lines
10 vertices
naive crescent
can i delete vertices that have a specific texture?
stuck oyster
verticles dont have textures, the faces that the verticles produce have
naive crescent
correct
cant i delete all vertices that make up a face that has a specific texture
stuck oyster
well if you select them and hit delete yes
naive crescent
can i select all faces that have a specific texture?
stuck oyster
yes from the from uv editor or the material library if I recall right
naive crescent
"CREATE SELECTION" in the face-properties does nothing
stuck oyster
cant really remember any more specifics, I do my modeling in Blender
runic plover
@sly path do you use windows 10?
naive crescent
i can imagine why
this object builder is by far the most unwieldy software i have ever used for 3d-editing... including paint3d
runic plover
@naive crescent if you work with it like me for now around 16years its not that bad π€£
naive crescent
i guess
but what's with the alt-turning?
it's so jittery
sometimes it turns super fast
and then it's slow
and then jumps up in speed again
stuck oyster
has to do with camera pivot point
naive crescent
and the zooming in is barely usable in perspective view
runic plover
I dont havw any problems with this. But i had problems with this while i used windows 10
stuck oyster
and also in win10 you must use the viewports in DX mode
runic plover
I got back to win7 and it works fine for me again
naive crescent
i dont have to
runic plover
DX mode is not good to work with
naive crescent
it works fine dx on or off
stuck oyster
but basically my advice is to stop wasting time with OB (no offence Sentry π ) and use some better 3D program
runic plover
Yes blender is. Its freeware and has arma3 plugins
naive crescent
or will i have to convert back and forth?
runic plover
Yep
stuck oyster
If you know nothing of Blender you will need some time and effort to learn how to use it
runic plover
May i should learn to model in blender. Goes a lot faster tbh but i need to take my time to get some tutorials and testings
stuck oyster
nope
runic plover
Is not my world only porting stuff. I do them myself mostly (there are some kind of stuff i also port that i bought to work with it).. but only porting is not my thing cause its still someone else stuff and not 100% mine
stuck oyster
too much has changed between A2 and A3
naive crescent
the ONLY reason i am doing this is because the mod i was using earlier for this turned out to be malicious
sly path
@sly path do you use windows 10?
@runic plover yes.
runic plover
My humor is this like mostly in the life scenes, they port any high poly cars like 50k - 100k poly and call them "my car" and these got 0 resolution lods and they call themself they are true arma3 modders ^^
naive crescent
i am by no stretch a modeller
i'm a software developer, i deal in absolutes
π
runic plover
Yea i noticed this that you more active in scriptings instead of modeling
@sly path windows 10 is the issue of that. BI hasnt released any patch for it to solve that problem. It works with DX mode but with DX mode its not good to work with.
Not sure why BI hasnt fixed it yet, maybe they forgot.. or maybe if 95% works with other 3d dev programs instead of OB.. im old π
stuck oyster
they dont do major work in OB either
runic plover
I bought last year a new pc with windows 10 and i had that issue too.. and i only work with OB.. so i sold the new pc cause there is no solution yet for the fix and upgraded my old pc with the installed win7
stuck oyster
I would wager there will not be a solution for it
runic plover
Tbh i only play arma3 so the old specs do work fine for me π
Did someone contacted BI to make a fix for it?
These are official modding tools, they should work tbh π€·ββοΈ
sly path
So.. what program can I use if OB doesn't work correctly in win 10?
runic plover
Blender you can use
Its a freeware program and you can do a lot with it for arma3 modding
stuck oyster
There has not been updates on OB for years, unlikely anything will happen in Arma 3 lifetime
as I said, nobody really works in OB
except you of course π
runic plover
If it goes like limited roadways and geometries... Then... we lost π
Ye sorry that im probably the only one that works with OB π.. but im a ArmA3 owner and paid for it and im in to use their official modding tools, so if they support modders they have to fix this π€£.. nvm ill try to learn in a month to model in blender when i got holydays.. ill give it a try
bold flare
Arma 3*
stuck oyster
the modding tools are bonus
you did not exactly pay for them, you paid for the game
runic plover
Indeed. But modding makes the OFP - ArmA 3 live longer tbh
bold flare
Arma 3*
stuck oyster
It is a bit of an dead horse to beat really. π
runic plover
Whats up usti hlavne π
bold flare
You are misstyping Arma π
runic plover
You also.. its normaly called ARMA III π
naive crescent
ok, so what is the correct path-format for a mod
im trying to reference a texture within the pbo as follows nca_characters\PMC_Soldier\PMC_soldier.p3d
but pboProject doesnt like these paths
how would i satisfy pboProject?
stuck oyster
is that the real path where the file is?
bold flare
no.. Actually not.
stuck oyster
on P:\ drive
naive crescent
nca_characters.pbo is the path
bold flare
@runic plover "Arma 3", nothing else. (internal marketing guideline)
naive crescent
on P-drrive it's at NCA\@TOM2\nca_characters\...
stuck oyster
well that is the path you would need to use if that is the real path
stuck oyster
No idea why you have chosen that kind of folder structure but thats what you have, thats what you got to use
stuck oyster
lets not talk about that pile of flaming poop
stuck oyster
well nothing expect its weird
stuck oyster
I would not use special characters in the folder strucutre
stuck oyster
if you do that you'll break everything
naive crescent
?
stuck oyster
the P drive paths are absolute
naive crescent
so dont loose the @
stuck oyster
that is how it goes into the game
P: represents the root of the games files structure
runic plover
@bold flare ok confirmed π
naive crescent
i see
stuck oyster
P:\A3\data\file.thingy in games file system reads as \A3\data\file.thingy
naive crescent
so mod(without@)\pbo?
stuck oyster
well there are no set rules
stuck oyster
you can make just about anything you like but what you have chosen just feels weirdly complex
naive crescent
ok, cool
naive crescent
so if i changed the folder structure to P:\TOM\nca_characters.pbo woudl that work?
runic plover
The .pbo you can take off and then yes
bold flare
a foldername withd data doesn't end with .pbo tho 
runic plover
Its just your source folder and the pboproject makes your .pbo
naive crescent
mod\Addons\nca_characters(in this case the pbo, just not in pbo-format here)
yes? no?
runic plover
I dont check your path. Is the nca_characters your pbo file at least?
runic plover
Yes i know
bold flare
cba example
P:\x\cba\addons\common
-> cba_common.pbo
bold flare
chosen by random dice roll (a very big dice)
naive crescent
i see
bold flare
ace uses z, other modders use other. Whatever you like
naive crescent
where can i find a suitable dice for this task of choosing x
bold flare
I use z for most my stuff.
My main prefix is z/wolf/addons/...
it doesn't matter what it is, whatever you like
but z/name/addons is basically the "standard" used by many cba based mods
naive crescent
so P:\z\NCA\TOM\Addons\characters?
stuck oyster
why the z though?
bold flare
if you want that, you can do that yeah
naive crescent
cba example
P:\x\cba\addons\common-> cba_common.pbo
@stuck oyster
stuck oyster
yes well but whats the point of it
naive crescent
because i was told to do so
runic plover
I also dont know, new for me π
stuck oyster
except maybe if you work on many project organizing them
stuck oyster
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
bold flare
rhs for example uses
rhsgref\addons\rhsgref_airweapons
it literally doesn't matter, whatever you like. Its your pboprefix
naive crescent
so i can P:\NCA\TOM\Addons\characters
runic plover
Ah ok thanks @bold flare π
naive crescent
so my pbo-prefix in this case would be nca?
bold flare
no
pbo prefix is everything between P:\ and the contents of your folder
so for
P:\NCA\TOM\Addons\characters\config.cpp
your prefix is
NCA\TOM\Addons\characters
naive crescent
so my pbo would be named NCA\TOM\Addons\characters.pbo?
bold flare
noooo
naive crescent
i dont think windows allows for \ in the file-name
bold flare
I think NCA_characters.pbo or NCA_TOM_characters.pbo
it doesn't
pboprefix is not part of the pbo filename, its part of the pbo itself
naive crescent
TOM is the name of the mod
i honestly just want to pack a mod and i need to know what path to use for my assets
bold flare
use the pboprefix NCA\TOM\Addons\characters and pack your characters folder into TOM_characters.pbo
The pboprefix is the path that you use ingame, exact same as on pdrive
naive crescent
so would it be NCA\TOM\Addons\characters\FrostA3\data\frost_co.paa for example?
bold flare
yeah
Then you have
TOM_characters.pbo
with the FrostA3\data\frost_co.paa file inside it
and the prefix NCA\TOM\Addons\characters
which inside arma will then result in NCA\TOM\Addons\characters\FrostA3\data\frost_co.paa
naive crescent
so if my path is p:\TOM\characters then the pbo-prefix will be TOM\characters and the pbo will be named tom_characters.pbo
wait what, this is confusing me
naive crescent
it is named characters
bold flare
and its convention to have your TAG (TOM) both in your pboprefix, and in your pboname
naive crescent
my tag is NCA
TOM is the name of the mod
so i remove "TOM"
P:\NCA\characters?
can i then rename the mod-folder?
to anything i like?
bold flare
you can make your prefix however you like
but lets say you make a second mod that has characters.
With that scheme you'd name it NCA\characters too, and they would conflict
the mod folder name aka @modfolder is absolutely unrelated to its content
naive crescent
yep, i got my mod working and published on workshop
quick terrace
nais. link?
naive crescent
it's not pretty, but im open to input
silver zenith
no link no imput
post in
#production_releases
naive crescent
it's not really pretty
but it works
π€·ββοΈ
it's also my first jab at making a mod for arma 3 and a model at that
let it be known that i am no 3d-model artist. I can only take what others have made and adapt it
silver zenith
remember to specify you're using A2 stuff when saying the models are not yours
it usually raises a lot of eyebrows
silver zenith
yeah I've seen
north sundial
What causes the jittering seen here?
foggy finch
it could be a number of things, animations, mass, physx, etc
runic plover
I think geometry / mass distrubution
north sundial
As in the centre of gravity making it lean back then it falls back down?
quick terrace
mass/geo/physics lods in that order
silver zenith
https://imgur.com/a/NvBzo66
how can I avoid shadow components deleting each other?
@tough furnace check the arma samples
marsh canyon
Close your polygons
This LOD is used to cast shadows on the ground, other objects and on the object itself. Shadow LOD should be simplified compared to resolution LOD, but can be more detailed then Geometry/Fire Geometry LOD. Shadow LOD must be slightly shrinked compared to resolution LOD (in 3dsmax you can use a push modifier to do this), otherwise the Model may look partly or completely shaded in the game. There are usually two Shadow LOD's - one detailed for close range and one very simple one for long distances. LOD must be:
Closed
Triangulated
Sharp Edges
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/LOD#ShadowVolume
tough furnace
@silver zenith where?
foggy finch
@silver zenith your SV LOD needs to be smaller than the visual lods.
you could also just try inverting the faces of your sv lod, milage may vary with that one
silver zenith
like flipping normals?
foggy finch
select the faces and press W in OB,. that will reverse them
if that doesnt work you will need to undo and shrink your sv lod mesh, max has a push modifier, i do not know if blender has an equivalent.
silver zenith
yeah I think its related to shrinking
seeing how articulated the model is Ill have to make multiple components to shrink it correctly
foggy finch
for the shadow volume the mesh needs to be smaller than the visual lod π
silver zenith
yeah I had shrinked it but in a lazy crappy way
eternal bloom
in Object Builder, is it possible to add faces/vertices to an existing named selection ?
runic plover
@eternal bloom yes but you have to select then your named selection in the selectionslist and "CTRL" and select your faces/vertices you've added to it and rightclick in your named selection and "redefine"
eternal bloom
ok, but is it possible to do that with the "linked faces" keys (Shift+LMB) ?
Looking at OB documentation, it looks like there's no such shortcut :/
runic plover
If these are seperate meshes you can select them whole, there is a square with a mousearrow. Click on this and mark your 3 meshes and redefine your selection
eternal bloom
ahh, perfect
runic plover
With hold on the key CTRL and mark these 3 meshes and redefine selection
eternal bloom
way easier
runic plover
π
eternal bloom
Thanks
silver zenith
is there a way of swapping a LOD with a new one I've made in blender
I don't want to re export the whole thing
naive crescent
not that im aware of
you need to replace the entire model if you want to change on LOD
stuck oyster
Export to separate P3d, open both p3ds in separate OBs, copy from other and paste into the other
@naive crescent negative
OB shares clipboard between instances
@silver zenith answer above.
silver zenith
oh cool
that'll save me some time
naive crescent
...
@stuck oyster i thought this was about replacing the LOD without debinarizing the model
naive crescent
which is why i said
but i guess the question was ambiguous or im blind
possibly the second
silver zenith
yeah no it was on not binarized models
naive crescent
what's up with pboProject giving me errors for valid paths in models?
like, a model has a path of: \dayz_equip\textures\box45acp_co.paa
that file exists...
in that directory
and this is ONLY with pboProject
i can use the garbage-fire of pbomanager and pack the pbo and it will work in arma
all the textures load fine
models\ammo_acp45.p3d:validating...ammo_acp45.p3d: missing \dayz_equip\textures\box45acp_co.paa
silver zenith
\dayz_equip\textures\box45acp_co.paa
naive crescent
that's just what pboProject says
in the file, there is 0 counts of \dayz_equip
it doesnt exist
silver zenith
weird
maybe then its referencing somewhere else where threre is a \
naive crescent
nope
silver zenith
wish I could help more
naive crescent
it's complaining about this EXACT file
silver zenith
could you post it?
naive crescent
the file?
silver zenith
maybe just that specific line
stuck oyster
so the path to the file is P:\dayz_equip\textures\box45acp_co.paa
also this for DayZ SA or DayZ mod for Arma?
naive crescent
it's a mod for arma
the models are from the dayz mod licensed data package
they are also all binarized
naive crescent
i dont get the point
yeah, you can have all of this stuff... what's that? you want to edit it? NOPE
stuck oyster
cant edit stuff or fix stuff
naive crescent
π
stuck oyster
I would recommend making the stuff yourself
naive crescent
i dont think i'm going to trouble myself with debinning them
stuck oyster
more control, simpler to debug
stuck oyster
that would get you shut down quite fast
stuck oyster
it is, and yet its wasted here debugging assets that dont seem to want to work
naive crescent
and you end up missing a lot of things you would have wanted to experience
stuck oyster
π
naive crescent
thus, the humans as a species have developed a very specialized technique
simply called "Yoink"
stuck oyster
well good luck anyways.
naive crescent
yeah, no worries
im just going to use CUP
they have models for these things already
so i dont even know why im trying to make this work
i would like to make the beartraps work
but that's a story for another day
ugh...
all of the models are scuffed
I DONT GET THIS
why do they work
like they actually provably work
i can load them into the game
but ONLY when i try to pack them to a pbo with pboProject does it throw a gangsigns at me
pbomanager is so broken that it makes the models work?
or is pboproject just being picky?
stuck oyster
perhaps the folder structure is bonkers
stuck oyster
likely those were not made with pboProject
no
you can of course use any of the other packers
naive crescent
no, i mean i can pack this same project with pbomanager
and it works
but i cant pack it with pboproject
naive crescent
let's not start this conversation
fact is that the game can load the files generated by pbomanager jsut fine
stuck oyster
as you fish
naive crescent
and the models and their paths work just fine
but pboProject does not wish to pack them
whatever
im moving this stuff to P:/dayz_equip/and seeing if it works
XD
copying*
stuck oyster
they were not there before?
mossy violet
Muzzle flash Proxy question: I'm trying make a custom muzzle flash to a custom weapon but it doesn't want to show up when I add selectionFireAnim="muzzleFlash"; However, when I don't put that in it's constantly there. I have the proxy vert selected as muzzleFlash and I have muzzleFlash defined as a selection in my model config. Any advice?
naive crescent
same issue
ok, now this is bs problem
the files are ACTUALLY there
when pboProject looks at a path, like \dayz_equip\textures\box45acp_co.paa it thinks P:\dayz_equip\textures\box45acp_co.paa right?
noble shoal
make the beartraps work I already did lol
noble shoal
Yep and the weapons
silver zenith
hey do I have to apply a property name to every lod or just the geometry?
bold flare
there are different properties, which do different things, and need to be set on different lods
silver zenith
yeah just read the page better
runic plover
@naive crescent I had also to learn about "just a pbo packer" and pboproject.. @stuck oyster gave me a damn lesson about this... hurted a lot but im happy that he did this to me.. you can pack your folder to a pbo and have many errors in it wich you dont know and can make lag issues for nothing or you do it errorfree with pboproject and can save some perfomance at least.. its your choice
foggy finch
pbomanager will not compile your addon, it only throws the contents inside a pbo container in their raw state, in that respect it is only useful for mission files.
naive crescent
Has anyone said otherwise?
north sundial
What controls an AI drivers ability to drive over bridges or raised highways? paths? or is that infantry only
stuck oyster
there are memorypoints that define the road area. Also the object needs to be defined as bridge type in its geometry lod
north sundial
Thank you i can see what you mean, though i notice that BI's bridges have a separate p3d for paths for the bridges, is there a reason to do this?
stuck oyster
thay wanted to have different kind of destruction model I recall and needed the visual part to be house type
dunno if that works right now though
north sundial
Ah okay, thanks for the help π
silver zenith
how long is the alpha sorting tool in Object builder supposed to last?
stuck oyster
not long usually
or did you run the full sorting?
that might take a while
usually its just simplest to manyally go through different parts to sort them
silver zenith
more than 109 minutes for 1.8k faces?
stuck oyster
naaah
silver zenith
yeah then I'm doing something wrong
stuck oyster
but if there is some sort of odd face that breaks it, the it can get stuck I suppose
or too close faces so it cant sort them or something
silver zenith
tried with individual pieces aswell but the countdown keeps going up
stuck oyster
it probably runs on whole model no matter whats selected
silver zenith
so should I wait 109 and probably more minutes for just 1.8k faces?
silver zenith
so just the button "sort" instead of "sort alpha"?
because that one doesn't seem to do anything
https://imgur.com/a/697o8Sz
I need it to solve this issue
stuck oyster
no theres the move top/bottom buttons
silver zenith
oh those
@stuck oyster how should I use them exactly?
because if you see the link I have the same component (the metal tube) that appears in front, outside and behind the same glass component
stuck oyster
glass parts are typically just moved on top
the see through thing is caused by lots of Alpha surgace so your model gets drawn fully in the alpha draw stage. You can try ForceNoAlpha = 1 named property.
silver zenith
oh thanks I'll try that
it doesn't let me binarize with ForceNoAlpha
do I have to use it on the entire model including the glass parts?
stuck oyster
migth be I made a typo
silver zenith
@stuck oyster apparently I can't use forcenotalpha because it makes the glass part of the prop become invisible if placed inside buildings
foggy finch
did you move the glass faces to the top? In OB: Select them and go to menu - Faces > Move to top
silver zenith
yeah I did
stuck oyster
you probably could make either the glass part or the non glass part a proxy
silver zenith
yeah thats my final plan but it feels stupid that its the only solution
vanilla arma houses have that
and they don't use proxies
runic plover
you mean that weird bug @silver zenith ?
runic plover
try to select all your glass part, ctrl+c , then delete, and ctrl+v and your problem should be solved
silver zenith
...
if that works I'm gonna hurt someone
stuck oyster
that could fix the sections
runic plover
i got that problem in any of my buildings when i edit some kind of stuff.. i always have to select all glass parts then and copy, delete and paste again in
stuck oyster
also have you mixed transparent and nontransparent on same texture?
silver zenith
wait do I do that in the the glass or the metal?
runic plover
glass parts
silver zenith
all the glass and metal uses separate UVs, and components
and materials
ok I'm trying rn
runic plover
select all glass parts, copy them and delte them all, and paste them back
silver zenith
I think it works?
this is maddening
let me make some other test
runic plover
^^
stuck oyster
π
mossy violet
Okay, can someone explain to me how to close a model in blender (for making shadow lods)
stuck oyster
geometry is usually made out of simple boxy or blob shapes that fit inside the model
and I suppose shadowlod can be made the same way
mossy violet
I meant the shadow lod (sorry copy pasted).
stuck oyster
or it can be made out of the main mesh your main model uses
mossy violet
like when you go to typology and close in 02, how can you do that in blender?
stuck oyster
dont do it in O2
and in blender you problably need to do it manually by creating faces in the holes
automation rarely works perfectly
especially if your model has lots of holes
runic plover
same in OB you have to close them manual
stuck oyster
or you can make it out of simple shapes
shadow lod does not need to be 100% accurate as long as the silhouettes are quite there
so that it casts the correct kind of shadow
mossy violet
Okay i think I've been doing it correctly.
stuck oyster
and the shadow mesh surface is always under the visual mesh surface so it does not cast shadows on itself
mossy violet
I was just told some information I didn't understand so I wanted to ask here to get different opinions. My shadows work was just wondering if I was doing it wrong or maybe just misunderstood something from the other explanation.
runic plover
if you do it wrong you will notice it very fast when you got stretched shadows into the grounds
mossy violet
My biggest issues in the clipping on the model because I don't put it inside enough. I was using the shrink tool in blender but that might have not been best.
stuck oyster
automation is not your friend in this case most of the time
mossy violet
Scaling at the individual origin a better method?
stuck oyster
I dont think I've found any good surefire tool for it really
for different faces and shapes different methods are good
mossy violet
but both methods sometimes make gaps in the model so it okay to stretch the model out to fill in the gaps?
mossy violet
Okay, thanks for info. I'll just have to pay more attention to their position in the future to make sure I don't get shadow clipping. And Yeah, it shrinks the models individual components and causes joined parts to separate (e.g. a cylinder for a gun might now no longer be connected because it shrank away).
stuck oyster
yah its fine to tweak the mesh as needed
runic plover
@mossy violet you can also use as example sbsource = shadowvolume
stuck oyster
sbSource = visualEx
runic plover
eh yes
mossy violet
What is this?
runic plover
xD
stuck oyster
it generates shadows from the view lods
runic plover
thats for lazy people that dont wanna create shadows
stuck oyster
but they have soft edges
mossy violet
hmmm, that sounds like a cpu killer XD
mossy violet
wait, arma uses the GPU? XD
stuck oyster
and actually I think its less demanding than the stencil shadow
silver zenith
@runic plover nevermind it didn't actually work
to specify
do I just select all glass parts of all LODs?
because it didn't seem to fix the problem with metals
tried with the metal stuff aswell and it didn't help
mossy violet
I'll look into it all and get back to you.
silver zenith
@stuck oyster no they're all separate UVs, separate textures and separate rvmats
runic plover
metal stuff you dont have to copy and delete and paste back. glass parts should be seperated, not together with other parts. like windows are. also dont mix glass texture with metal texture or something like that cause of the _ca.paa thing.. all glass / transparent textures are in _ca.paa and the others as example _co.paa.. transparent textures need to be seperatly.. and these you copy, delete, and paste back inevery lod where you got these
silver zenith
yeah did exactly that but nothign
could there be an rvmat value that affects that?
runic plover
this is as example when i let the transaprent part there and copy a new variant of the building in. the GDI icon is bad
its corrected when i delete the gdi icon and repaste it
stuck oyster
it might not be same issue though
actually it indeed is not
@silver zenith do you have animated parts in the mix?
silver zenith
nope
stuck oyster
try the proxy way and make the glass parts a proxy
or many proxies if you want them to break
silver zenith
yeah proxy does seem like the only solution but it feels strange
@stuck oyster why would the vanilla houses work otherwise
and they don't seem like they're proxied
runic plover
@silver zenith can you upload a better pic of that thing you got
silver zenith
yeah give me a sec
https://imgur.com/a/xWZ1BRj
@runic plover as you can see when looking at the metal part you can kind of see only the edges of the models behind it
as if they were textureless or something
runic plover
I dont get it what this is, looks like your metal texture is transparent
silver zenith
yeah kind of but you can't see anything behind it other than textureless models
runic plover
you got a rvmat file on the metal textured part?
silver zenith
yeah
runic plover
take it off as a try, go with a non rvmat file, only the paa file
silver zenith
huh
it'll lose its shinyness but let me see
runic plover
i know but i want to know if your rvmat file is not good or if your texture is not good
looks like a texture or rvmat issue
stuck oyster
I believe its the ratio of transparent surface
do a quick check and just remove all transparent parts
and see if the problem is still there
runic plover
or replace your current metal texture with a other _co texture and also without your rvmat
silver zenith
alright so it seems that the metal part is transparent no matter the texture I apply on it
what would this mean?
foggy finch
thats the normal issue people have when they havent sorted the alpha's by moving to top π
silver zenith
I did that like 4 times so not sure what else I'd have to do
do I have to move both to the top?
foggy finch
only the transparent faces
silver zenith
in that case yeah already done that
foggy finch
you could hit sort alpha and then move faces to top
silver zenith
select glass>faces>move to top
yeah sort alpha is sadly out of question
since it breaks and the counter goes backwards
do I move to top on all lods?
foggy finch
just the visual lod(s)
foggy finch
have you checked the alpha channel of your texture to ensure that section is masked off correctly?
silver zenith
how can I do that?
foggy finch
load it in texview, in the right-hand drop down select the alpha channel
that way you can compare side by side
foggy finch
fully transparent is black, fully opaque is white
silver zenith
wll then its opaque
but it not a texture problem since I encounter it with any texture I use
even those who I knew worked
stuck oyster
you have non alpha _CO textures on the non transparent parts right?
and actually show your rvmat too
silver zenith
yeah they're _CO
the problem happens with no rvmat aswell so I doubt that's the issue
but sure here's the rvmat
stuck oyster
this is for the solid surfaces?
messing up with the alpha values of the ambient, diffuse etc can cause issues
you should reset those to default values
silver zenith
aren't they all on 1,1,1 ?
silver zenith
thinking about it
the textures had spaces in them
could be that
stuck oyster
in the names?
stuck oyster
well good to keep clean file and folder names anyway
silver zenith
yeah just cleaned it up
stuck oyster
did you try just removing all tranparent parts?
silver zenith
not yet
this would mean removing the glass textures?
silver zenith
ok that fixed it
so the alpha textures are somehow infecting the non transparent ones
stuck oyster
or replace their texture with the non tranpsarent one
silver zenith
I'll try to reuse those textures
stuck oyster
just make a selection of the glass parts first
so you can easily fix it if you close OB
stuck oyster
no its just the overall draw order of objects
although I have no idea why you would have that enabled
ah its default like that
what was the problem with the forcenotalpha?
silver zenith
if I use forcednotalpha the glass texture becomes invisible inside buildings
sudden osprey
Hey Iβm just trying to figure out about modeling helmet / vests in Blender and I imported a vest template to check about what I need to make one but it has about 4 vest layers one is more detailed then the other is that mandatory ?
sudden osprey
Roger I already found to get to know more about it
https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/154905-arma-3-sample-models/
sudden osprey
sorry for asking something again
so this will be like the lower layer then i copy and past it and add more details to it or do i need to remake them ?
i will change the Lod settings when i copy and paste
quick terrace
ideally you make the highest first
not the lowest first
mainly because you will need to decimate/optimize/simplify (simplygon etc) down the LODs using a factor of 1/2 (ideally) for each lower step (LOD), whilst keeping the UVs and vertex weights (mesh skinning to bones )
sudden osprey
ok thanks
warm trench
Has anyone experienced issues with the model.cfg / .p3d files where when trying to hide items, as opposed to something being properly hidden, they appear to be scaled to a smaller size and rotated through 90 degrees?
I'm struggling to work out what I've done wrong... Possibly an error up-stream in the model.cfg? (Although I doubt it would build if that were the case)
stuck oyster
that selection is part of 2+ animated selections
so the animations cancel each other out
each animated mesh selection must be part of a single namedSelection that animates
as in only 1 bone must affect a part of mesh
if you have a thing that moves and smaller parts as its child bones, you will not have the child parts in the larger parent selection, only the child selection as the child bone already moves with the parent
warm trench
If I follow correctly, I think that's exactly what I have done incorrecty! Thank you
(Spot on, @stuck oyster. Amazing detective skills! Thank you so much - I would never have thought to have checked that.)
feral coral
Whenever I try to load in a model to blender through arma tools it always says that its the wrong MDL version anyway to fix this?
And as soon as I load and p3d of mine it crashes but any other fbx I can load
stuck oyster
Are you trying to load a binarized P3d? As those can not be opened
If you don't know what that means, where is the P3d from?
sudden osprey
just a small question if its possible if i have a arma 3 uniform im retxturing to colors i like then make kneepads as a 3d model can i combine it or do i need to make a uniform myself aswell
stuck oyster
need to make fully new model
steel vector
Kneepads are part of the uniform, so must be part of the uniform model.
You might be able to make it a separate item (like eyewear), although I don't think it will then follow the leg movements.
sudden osprey
roger adding a new project to my list then cheers
silver zenith
would be cool if arma4 had an indefinite amount of slots
steel vector
DayZ has a few more π
runic plover
somewhere are the slots defined.. im sure its changeable ^^
stuck oyster
it is not
steel vector
You could say it's limited by the UI, but in the end it's an engine limitation.
I'm sure that someone with epic skills would be able to bypass the engine and script it in, but I wouldn't even dare to touch it
stuck oyster
no those parts are not exposed in config
I would not mind being proven wrong but I dont think I will.
silver zenith
does the inventory even have a config?
the breaking point guys managed to modify it so it has to be right?
stuck oyster
you can create virtual inventories and dialogs just fine
but the gear slots that actually use stuff that show up on your character can not as far as I know be edited
feral coral
Are you trying to load a binarized P3d? As those can not be opened
No its not
stuck oyster
where is it from?
median bough
a friend?
mossy violet
Anyone got a tutorial for having interior buttons glow when the engines turn on? (I know how to get things to glow just not have them start glowing when engines switch on).
rain vapor
Ive been on the Pinned messages back and forth, are there any more detailed pages on the Object Builder/Config side of adding my own plant models into the game?
steel vector
afaik are plants simple objects / props, which are configured with CfgVehicles
rain vapor
Thats what I figured, but the textures are just white
sudden osprey
Anyone has any experience with marvelous designer to arma 3 if so let me know
runic plover
@mossy violet
Its done by animationsource / source = engine in the config and if im right you also have to add the selection of the buttons in the model.cfg
rough idol
@mossy violet in vehicle config dashboard is by default using "podsvit pristroju" selection
selectionDashboard = "podsvit pristroju";
you would need to add all your buttons in p3d to such selections and then make sure that its listed in sections[] array in model.cfg
alternatively, you can use bones & animations, tie hide animation to i.e. engine rpm ("rpm" animation source) or connect it to light selection (some of the vanilla models are doing it like that)
mossy violet
Thanks for the info everyone
noble hatch
Anyone able to point me to somewhere i can learn about weighting for anims?
stuck oyster
depends what program you use but Youtube has most of the popular software covered
noble hatch
Thanks but I mean more about how they work in the arma engine, I cant say I understand it
I use blender and have succeeded in assigning wieghts based on selection groups but I thought the whole point of weighting was to have different weights within a selection?
my problem being that having assigned difference weights using selections, the wieght of the overall selection is just overriding all to 1
I feel like i'm missing something obvious
quick terrace
@noble hatch you don't need to assign weights, you need to paint them. max bone influence per vertices for A3 is 3 bones
well you could actually assign each individual vertice a set weight "influence" but that would be way to time consuming
noble hatch
Thanks for the link @quick terrace
My problem is I'm not trying to use it on a character or uniform, but a vehicle where the skeleton only exists in the model.cfg
stuck oyster
its the same thing for vehicles if you want to use weighted selections
stuck oyster
π
noble hatch
So I have to make a bone structure in blender to get it working?
quick terrace
nope
stuck oyster
weights can be painted with just vertex groups
bones do help to see that they work though
also to get them working in Arma (wont work in buldozer) you will need to have the same isdiscreet value as character has
in model.cfg
noble hatch
right, just to clarify one important point, are you saying that weighting will not show in buldozer? the selection will just move as if all weighted 1?
and stupid question time, whats the difference between weighted selections and named selections?
sorry I'm new to this particular aspect of it all
stuck oyster
yes the weighted selections do not work in buldozer
and there is no difference between the named/weighted selection they are the same
well except its easier to talk about smoothly/partially weighted named selections and weighted selections
noble hatch
righty thanks again for both your input, I'll keep bashing my head against this till it works but knowing that buldozer doesnt work for them has probably saved my sanity
rain vapor
Ive been on the Pinned messages back and forth, are there any more detailed pages on the Object Builder/Config side of adding my own plant models into the game?
steel vector
Just like 17 hours ago, it's just an entry in CfgVehicles
And if something isn't working in game you probably did something wrong in the model or configs
rain vapor
Well thats my question, how do I know if Im doing it right if there is no documentation for me to follow?
stuck oyster
you extrapolate from what is available and test it
and then figure out what is wrong if it does not work
plant models in general do not even have configs as they are not normally used as mission objects
they are only placed on the terrain
rain vapor
Gotcha, thanks!
cyan heart
There are loads of tutorials on how to get a 3d model into Arma, a simple Google search should do it, from there on you can gather more ressources for vegetation specifics, download the a3 samples from steam, there should be a plant model in there
white jay
Hey guys is this the right channel for
Making objects / buildings like a house etc in object builder Arma 3 tools
median bough
yes
white jay
And if so does it take long to learn how to make objects
I have done scripting but never
Touched objects
I would like to maybe buy a model and make a cool object
median bough
it is not recommended to use OB tho. better to use blender since you'll find more tutorials for it
white jay
Oh ok and is it hard ? Are there like polys I have to take into account
white jay
Oh ok I see thank you, are there blender specific Arma tutorials
I got spare time on my hands and the idea of making a building just came up to my mind
median bough
you could start with a small blender donut tutorial and then move on whith those
https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/207631-from-blender-to-arma-3-complete-process-tutorial/
white jay
Alright great thank you for that
median bough
don't thank me yet π
median bough
Will the knowledge eventually help me potentially make vehicles
which knowledge?
median bough
the 3d design process is the same
white jay
Oh alright I see
median bough
the biggest difference is the config files
median bough
but since you have experience with scrips, reading and understanding configs will be easier then
white jay
Yeah configs i thought wouldnβt be the hard part
Just how to make an object is what I was always curious about
median bough
so, for the beginning, learn how to make a donut in blender and then try to get it into arma using the tuts i posted
white jay
Alright thank you π
white jay
Alright will do π
dull raft
I don't know where to ask this exactly, but I am trying to use pboProject to 'crunch' my mod folder but it is not giving me the option to crunch, it's like lightened out so i cannot click it
stuck oyster
you dont have all the tools it needs installed
dull raft
alri yeah just noticed it, says I'm missing detex, which is the DeOgg thing right?
stuck oyster
no it is the detex
dull raft
oh what
stuck oyster
just install all of them
dull raft
i was lookin at BI ting and it said i needed DeOgg, yeah that explains it
stuck oyster
saves you a lot of trouble
This has been a trend for a while now. I dont understand why dont new people just install all of them
its not like they take lot of space
dull raft
Yeah I guess so. But I'm just getting what i need so i can test if it works well.
stuck oyster
just get all of them
dull raft
Alright now I got another issue.
https://gyazo.com/63ab58836379c8a2a4a00d4012614874
throws that at me
stuck oyster
well you got errors
cant pack errors
put noisy output on for better logging
and read what it seas in the logs
fix those as long as theres no more errors and you got a working mod
at least usually
dull raft
I shall try that now, thanks mate
I got it working @stuck oyster mate you're the absolute π π
Thanks a lot
mossy violet
Quick question, how do I get the visual LOD to generate its own shadow again?
cyan heart
sbsource = visualex
in geo properties
@mossy violet
Works best on buildings or vegetation, for everything else you should make a shadowlod
mossy violet
I tend to make Shadow Lods just some super low poly stuff I have I might experiment with this in the future.
thanks for the info.
spare roost
Is it possible to name individual license plates, i.e. front "spz" and rear "spz1" in the same model and within class PlateInfos? I'd like to animate the rear one to move with an opening rear door.
spare roost
even if you have access to the .p3d model? I thinking of something like this in the model.cfg : "spz1", "door_3_2", so that it moved with the door. Trouble is, I wouldn't want the front plate moving as well.
stuck oyster
yes they dont move
spare roost
fair enough. Thanks. π
vernal lynx
Hey ! Got a weirdo issue again π€
Geometry :
class=house
damage=building
config:
class Land_WW2_French_Walls_Base: LIB_Objects_Walls_Stone_base
{
destrType = "DestructBuilding";
replaceDamagedLimit = 0.9999;
class DestructionEffects
{
class Ruin
{
simulation = "ruin";
type = "\WW2\Objects_m\Misc\WW2_Walls_m\WW2_French_Wall_Ruin.p3d";
position = "";
intensity = 1;
interval = 1;
lifeTime = 1;
};
class Smoke
{
simulation = "particles";
type = "HouseDestructionSmoke3Small";
position = "";
intensity = 0.1;
interval = 1;
lifeTime = 0.1;
};
};
};
class Land_WW2_French_Wall_Small_Long_02: Land_WW2_French_Wall_Small_Long_01
{
author = "IFA3 Team";
displayName = "$STR_LIB_DN_OBJECTS_FRENCH_WALL_SMALL_LONG_02";
model = "\WW2\Objects_m\Misc\WW2_Walls_m\WW2_French_Wall_Small_Long_02.p3d";
replaceDamaged = "Land_WW2_French_Wall_Small_Broken_02";
};
Result :
- WW2_French_Wall_Ruin.p3d shows up but original model doesnt collapse / disapear
vernal lynx
you mean damagewreck?
in geo lod?
I'd have to create a wrecklod with proxy to the destroyed model but it could do yeah, I just don't get why it doesnt work as a house
And when inheriting from house_f the destroyed model doesnt showup at all
tried DestructDefault too with same result as DestructBuilding
@plush forge did you ever experience this?
plush forge
I have damage = house.
Not building.
I know that for class the value building is a lower form of simulation, doesn't support animations for example. Not sure if this extends to damage as well.
vernal lynx
rgr, trying this
btw here https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Simple_Objects they say house simulation does not have any significant impact on performances
plush forge
Yeah the perf difference between building and house is probably negligible. Might be some situations on dense/large maps where every little helps though i guess.
foggy finch
@vernal lynx look at the config.cpp of the test house in samples, it has all you need for that.
for example, you are missing the replaceDamaged = ""; parameter in your class, so it never gets replaced and both objects exist at same time
if you are just going from undamaged model to a ruin model, you probably want the above parameter, and you wouldn't need the Ruin class within the DestructionEffects, only the smoke class, so the switch is hidden by that smoke animation.
vernal lynx
samples_F has :
replaceDamaged = "Land_Test_House_01_dam_F";
class DestructionEffects: DestructionEffects
{
class Ruin
{
simulation = ruin;
type = \Samples_f\Test_House_01\Test_House_01_ruins_F.p3d; // Path to model of ruin used when total damage of the house reaches 1
position = "";
intensity = 1;
interval = 1;
lifeTime = 1;
};
};
yeah its working with a damaged model between the undamaged and ruin state
foggy finch
your config above looked like you want to animated from the undamaged model >> ruin model.
the test house goes from: undamaged model >> damage model >> ruin model.
cosmic bay
hi gents, I have a 113 that uses multiples turrets. I m calling them per proxy. I notice that once I did that I lost the feature (animation) that changes textures by the use of config (camo1). What m I doing wrong, should I make a new model.cfg for the turret?
here is a pic of what I m talking about, I m applying my texture by using (camo1)
as you can see the turret does not apply the texture by using camo1
stuck oyster
is it part of any other camo section?
stuck oyster
Im not sure if proxies can be affected by camo/hiddenselections
or they might but there was some config work that they needed
reyhard might have talked about it somewhere in the history of this channel
cosmic bay
alright let me do some research
thank you as always horriblegoat
if anyone knows the way please point me at the right direction
median bough
Im not sure if proxies can be affected by camo/hiddenselections
usually not
wise heart
attempting to port over some A2 terrain objects (bushes) and well....
all I did was change the .rvmats to point to the correct locations, and then mass edited texture in object builder
so just renamed directories
stuck oyster
median bough
i did my good deed for the day, now it's your turn HG π
stuck oyster
median bough
π
stuck oyster
im on holiday
median bough
pfff...
cosmic bay
Hey gents, so I found this online. https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Setting_Textures_for_Wrecks . I think it is a possible solution. Looks promising since now hide section seems to be working. I just cant get the config part to work i get an error. No entry bin\config.bin/cfgnonaivehicles.scope any ideas?
stuck oyster
do you have this part in your config?
cosmic bay
yes I do
stuck oyster
in exactly same way?
cosmic bay
i just not sure where to put it
stuck oyster
and its no accidentally inside cfgVehicles?
cosmic bay
it could be
stuck oyster
they are both on root level
stuck oyster
outside cfgVehicles
stuck oyster
class cfgVehicles
{
stuff
};
class cfgNonAiVehicles
{
different stuff
};```
cosmic bay
damn i can see the model now. that is a good sign. it mean it works but still no texture maybe it is because i dont have the texture line for it
π
i dont know
stuck oyster
probably
cosmic bay
so this is all i would need right?
hiddenSelectionsTextures[] ={"\BRAF_Land\M113A2\Data\m113a3_01_UN_co.paa"};
steel vector
you'll need
hiddenSelections[] = {"name_of_selecton"};
hiddenSelectionTextures[] = {"path/to/file.paa"};
thx let me try
cosmic bay
ok guys one more question, if this works then it is safe to say that I would be able to maybe animate a weapon that is being added by proxy the same way maybe?
yeassssss! the texture worked guys. thank you I love you all!
@stuck oyster specially you, i have a feeling you always help me bro. thx
quick terrace
@cosmic bay nope
you can animate the entire proxy
as a selection, not parts of proxies
cosmic bay
@quick terrace do you mean I cant add the cool shake and the bullets feeding?
stuck oyster
each moving part would need to be separate proxy
cosmic bay
that sucks, it would be great if proxy worked a bit better with animations
stuck oyster
at that point its wiser to just add all the parts into the main mesh
proxies are meant to be simple additions
that can be used in multiple places
cosmic bay
yes, but my vehicle have multiple weapon platform, I don't want to get too cloudy on the pd3. So what would be my best approach
cosmic bay
yea i was trying to avoid it, trying to make the mod lighter you know.
but i guess if that is the case, that is the case
Thank you again guys
bold flare
stuck oyster
stuck oyster
wise heart
@stuck oyster Is my ship even in the harbor, or am I completely boatless? lol
stuck oyster
No idea how you got it to do that. I think you may have boarded the wrong boat
wise heart
Got it
When I redid the pathways for the textures in Object Builder, I used uppercase letters
jarred my memory when I realized it
cosmic bay
Got i question, does fire geometry work by in a proxy?
quick terrace
it should
cosmic bay
@quick terrace I try and no luck here, I guess I will just do the BIS approach and have multiple vehicles, that sucks cause the number of work doubles and the MOD gets way to heavy.
runic plover
@cosmic bay are you trying to do proxies for buildings?
if yes.. as far as I know are proxies working for all visual lods & shadows and roadways. for geometries you have to make all in the main building / model
cosmic bay
For vehicle, but I was afraid of that since it works on the main model, but does not work on the proxy.
@runic plover
runic plover
i havent tested it tbh.. but maybe you could name the proxy also component01 or what number it has to be for a working solution
stuck oyster
naming the proxy would not do anything. the proxy object might contain multiple components
runic plover
as i said, never tested it '^^
quick terrace
@cosmic bay do you have that proxy copy pasted in fire geo as well?
cosmic bay
yes, I did all of that. I done it before and worked fine in the Nimitz, I dont know why it is not working on this vehicle. I will try again later.
potent sigil
Do the Arma tools for Blender created objects make Blender the better option for creating Arma addons or is the model import process with Modo smooth enough?
I've got some experience with Modo so it would be intuitively an easier option for modeling etc, but curious about the Blender option
quick terrace
the import export is best with blender. but there are people (including myself) who are well acustomed to other software and prefer to use these instead
for people who have zero experience blender is recommended obviously
but its by no means mandatory
old gulch
So, I've got a small issue
Seems like a model I've got has some texture warping when in game, despite in Substance, Blender and Object Builder, it all looking correct.
quick terrace
did you triangulate it before export?
old gulch
Yep, I did all the steps necessary. Someone pointed out to me that the UV looked off compared to substance, so they suggested I move something. Just trying that out now.
stuck oyster
multiple uvsets?
old gulch
They think it's just the position of 1 vert warping it.
Yep, looks like that was it.
Sorry to bother!
stuck oyster
got any of them pics of the model? not many wip shots going around these days
old gulch
The model itself is almost done, but I can throw up an ingame pic in a sec
It's... well, it's not the greatest quality, but it works, and I'm happy with it.
There ya go
old gulch
Yeeeeep
Trying to stop 180 degree turns at 70km/h is... hmm
That's moreso something for #arma3_config though.
unique portal
first time i checked this channel lmao
im a vfx student and model in maya and texture in substance
hopefully i can be a little help to someone here and learn a little more about importing 3d models in the game lol
cosmic bay
Alright gents, so I was successful in making the firegeometry work. do not ask me what was wrong I have no clue. LOL
but now i notice one problem, that bullet texture that show when you shoot at a vehicle does not seem to be working, would be maybe be because of the whole proxy situation?
stuck oyster
@unique portal welcome. This is the place for such questions indeed. Some maya users are around too.
To get started with throwing things in game I'd recommend using the PMCwiki tutorials to set up the tools and P drive development environment.
@cosmic bay what bullet textures? You can have damage textures set up on a model if you mean those but other than that I don't think there are any others.
sudden osprey
Im currently on a project making a uniform made something now just need to work on boots etc and pockets but with vests you need to make more layers each with more lods does it work with a uniform like that aswell or is 1 model enough
I looked on pmc wiki havenβt found anything about uniforms only vests / helmets etc
stuck oyster
All models require lods for best performance
sudden osprey
OkΓ© cheers
unique portal
cheers @stuck oyster , i'll try to come up with something and see how it goes :3
stuck oyster
There are also lot of stuff explained in BI forums. There are even tutorial series on how to get stuff in game from blender which probably can be adapted to maya too.
mossy violet
Question about custom muzzle flash proxies. I have one set up, with auto centre 0, with a selection on the proxy, the proxy set up correctly. But when I have selectionFireAnim="muzzleFlash"; set up in the config it won't show (when I don't have it set up the muzzle flash is constantly there). I also have the MuzzleFlash selection set up in the model config. Any tips?
runic plover
Question about custom muzzle flash proxies. I have one set up, with auto centre 0, with a selection on the proxy, the proxy set up correctly. But when I have
selectionFireAnim="muzzleFlash";set up in the config it won't show (when I don't have it set up the muzzle flash is constantly there). I also have the MuzzleFlash selection set up in the model config. Any tips?
@mossy violet so, sounds correct. also the proxy in the gun/weapon model has to be called as muzzleFlash in the selection. and be sure your proxy has the right path to its custom MF model
and also take care of how you write the selection names. selection name you defined has to be written muzzleFlash, not MuzzleFlash then
mossy violet
Yep, I have done this (the muzzle flash shows without the selectionfireanim but it's obviously constantly on). Question: Does the muzzleflash itself have (not the proxy) have to have the muzzleflash selection?
runic plover
the model of the muzzleflash itself dont has to need any muzzleflash selection
just the proxy in your gun model needs the muzzleFlash selection
mossy violet
hmmm, possible could be I'm missing the capital F. I'll double check and get back to you.
runic plover
is it on a infantry weapon or a vehicle gun?
mossy violet
I have an animation set up that gets it to work
stuck oyster
cant remember what it was about though off the top of my head
mossy violet
just wondering if I can get it to work in the traditional manner so I don;t have to add this animation to every gun i want to work.
mossy violet
Yeah, using the a3 ones works fine. Just not sure why my custom ones never work.
okay, it wasn't an issue with capital F. Guess I'll just continue to use the animation (it works so i guess I shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth). Thanks for the suggestions anyway, haha.
runic plover
MainConfig: cfgWeapons define selectionFireAnim="muzzleFlash";
ModelCfg: cfgSkeletons define "muzzleFlash" in skeleton bones
ModelCfg: cfgModels define "muzzleFlash" in sections
ModelCfg: cfgModels define "muzzleFlash" in class animations (for rotating)
3D model: path of Proxy has to be correct to the new MF model and Proxy has to be named also muzzleFlash
stuck oyster
did a quick test with very simple muzzleflash
seems to work
and dont have hiding class for it in the model.cfg either
@mossy violet does the gun have more than 1 muzzle?
mossy violet
nope
mossy violet
I might be missing the "muzzleFlash" in class animations in the modelcg
runic plover
@stuck oyster did you tested it with this ive wrote?
stuck oyster
that is how I have my weapons set up yeah
I cant remember what problem I had when I last fiddled with these
runic plover
fiddled π
old gulch
Got a fun little issue at current. Invisible water through my model's windows. I'm assuming it's an alpha sorting issue, but I don't know what specifically? The 2 panes are correctly ordered.
old gulch
Also, more generally, how do you implement steering wheels?
stuck oyster
model.cfg animation that is sourced with the steering animation source
the texture thing could be related to what rvmat/shader your glass is using
old gulch
I made the RVMat myself, and it's just using the Super shader.
stuck oyster
what do you mean by 2 planes of glass btw?
usually windows are modeled with 2 planes yes but they point to opposite direction
old gulch
Yes, they do.
It's just as case of it being a continuous pane that's curved, you could actually look through it twice.
runic plover
Any pic of the issue probaly?
stuck oyster
you could also try the glass shader
old gulch
I could, but I just wanna see if anyone is aware of precisely what the issue is.
It's difficult to see, but it's there.
old gulch
Basically, that reflectivity/refraction on the top of the water disappears.
It's not a pressing issue, and honestly something I could just ignore with how unlikely it is to show up (it doesn't cause the same issue while driving in first person)
But it's useful to understand -why- it's happening
stuck oyster
that may be due to the double supershader surface
or the supershader surface alone
try the glass shader rvmat
old gulch
Maybe. I'll play around with it, maybe even just leave it be.
Last thing is the steering wheel. Bleh.
stuck oyster
there are pretty good pages about modle.cfg animating on the BI wiki
runic plover
And dont forgot to try the glass shader rvmat so probably it will fix this little issue and makes your boat perfectly π
mossy violet
question, can you have a weapon set up to fire from two points at the same time?
woeful viper
describe "at the same time" - what do you need?
runic plover
yes you can