#arma3_model | ARMA | Page 110

foggy finch Apr 7, 2018, 4:49 AM

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I bake in toolbag3, much more efficient

lusty ginkgo Apr 7, 2018, 4:50 AM

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how long does it take to bake something at 512 samples?

foggy finch Apr 7, 2018, 4:51 AM

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depends on how many uv shells etc, but 4k with 512 samples and 4x supersampling is usually less than 5 mins

lusty ginkgo Apr 7, 2018, 4:55 AM

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5 minutes

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not 5 hours?

foggy finch Apr 7, 2018, 4:55 AM

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no

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i have had some things take up to 15 mins, but those were highly detailed complicated meshes

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substance has a baker too if you have that software

lusty ginkgo Apr 7, 2018, 4:59 AM

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I might check it out

past edge Apr 7, 2018, 7:04 AM

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I did some testing in this regard in the past, I used to go with 32 samples but it really wasn't enough in some areas, so I upped it to 512 and let it work for 2 hours (texture is 2k) - here is the difference https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293157245682843650/386128588715458560/unknown.png

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here's 2 screenshots of the inside of the barrel completed with 32 samples (first pic) and 512 (second pic) - the lines represent the rifling of the barrel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293157245682843650/386129278233739264/unknown.png - 32
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293157245682843650/386141441266548737/unknown.png - 512

obtuse rain Apr 7, 2018, 7:26 AM

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Cre8or: You might want to try GI baking with radiance caching rather than simple occlusion baking. The irradiance caching means you get much smoother results for a muuuuch lower ray count.

past edge Apr 7, 2018, 7:34 AM

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I'm not sure what any of that means, but with what little modelling I do these days I can pobably get away with waiting a few hours to get a final, high-quality AO bake using my seemingly archaic method 😛

obtuse rain Apr 7, 2018, 7:35 AM

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It's what happens when you do a raytrace in your modelling application, it does a kind of "ambient occlusion" pass with multiple bounces and radiance caching.

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But instead of using it in a ray trace you can tell the renderer to bake it onto a UV mapped texture.

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A typical pass is <1 minute.

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The radiance caching means it only fires off rays from some parts of the geometry and then smoothly interpolates.

past edge Apr 7, 2018, 7:44 AM

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am I mistaken in saying that this is not supported in 3DS Max? because I can't find any documentation about it

obtuse rain Apr 7, 2018, 7:49 AM

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I'd be surprised if it wasn't, Modo does it.

lusty ginkgo Apr 7, 2018, 3:40 PM

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@past edge https://i.imgur.com/OxYLMFw.jpg this is what 32 samples looks like for me

lusty ginkgo Apr 7, 2018, 4:18 PM

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is there any way to change what UVset the actual texture is applied to?

past edge Apr 7, 2018, 4:29 PM

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in rvmats, yes: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/ArmA:_RVMAT#Shader_specific_setting


can be: none, tex, tex1 (second UV set) ```

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and that's a nice looking AO btw

polar fiber Apr 7, 2018, 4:35 PM

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texture (_co) will only use tex

lusty ginkgo Apr 7, 2018, 4:54 PM

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I know about the rvmat but I was hoping I could with the face texture as well

polar fiber Apr 7, 2018, 5:06 PM

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try using an _MC to change the base texture

lusty ginkgo Apr 7, 2018, 5:41 PM

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I was trying to see what the mc texture looked like on its own

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I just made a separate super .rvmat for that

half heath Apr 7, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Is translating a rotation axis not possible? Example: charging handle axis needs to translate backwards while also serving as an axis for rotation for said charging handle

polar fiber Apr 7, 2018, 6:51 PM

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should be possible if you set up the skeleton right

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have a bone for the translation and have the axis mem points as part of that named selection, and have the charging handle as child of that bone

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if it didn't work, you wouldn't be able to have wheels that rotated while on dampers that move up and down

dusk frost Apr 7, 2018, 7:31 PM

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@late raft I mean why they need to be there? Like how do they influence the model ingame

late raft Apr 7, 2018, 8:39 PM

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@dusk frost They are used to define which bone has influence over which area of the model for animations

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@dusk frost

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Thats what weights are

lusty ginkgo Apr 7, 2018, 9:04 PM

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Out of curiosity, if you have an animated door selection only contain half of the vertices for the door object, would only those vertices move?

polar fiber Apr 7, 2018, 9:06 PM

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yes

dusk frost Apr 7, 2018, 10:07 PM

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@late raft Thanks :D

lusty ginkgo Apr 8, 2018, 12:11 AM

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Why is using a multi material better than just using 3 different textures on a universal .rvmat? Obviously it has a smaller section count but it is also loading a lot more textures and uses the mask and what not

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wouldn't that also have an impact on performance?

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I know multi is better I just don't know how much better

timber cobalt Apr 8, 2018, 1:19 AM

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hi guys. Anybody know why my reflectors dim like this when looking on the ground?

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https://gyazo.com/b49b14b8da40e131b5df0f304d69160c

storm nacelle Apr 8, 2018, 2:34 AM

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Are there any good guides out there to start clothes/vest modeling in blender for Arma 3? I’ve been taking a blender course in unity which has been going great but I just needed some direction or tutorial on how to progress into modeling for Arma. I’ve checked out this link https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Modding_Characters
But im still leaving a bit confused. Any help would be appreciated! 🙂 thank you!

timber cobalt Apr 8, 2018, 10:20 AM

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You mean how to model or how to make lods?

hollow bronze Apr 8, 2018, 10:52 AM

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are issues with shadows a common thing with models?

lusty ginkgo Apr 8, 2018, 10:54 AM

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define issues

hollow bronze Apr 8, 2018, 10:55 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/QAWk304.png

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^ issues

quick terrace Apr 8, 2018, 10:58 AM

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shadow lod meshes need to be closed, triangulated and hard edged

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also no UV data present

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@hollow bronze

hollow bronze Apr 8, 2018, 11:00 AM

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Hmm. I think I'm in a little out of my depth here.

quick terrace Apr 8, 2018, 11:06 AM

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if you are out of depth when having to close, triangulate and make sure the faces are set to hard edge (last 2 being 2 individual clicks in o2) , you will have more trouble down the line

hollow bronze Apr 8, 2018, 11:07 AM

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I've never really played with modelling before so a lot of this stuff is new to me. I'm willing to learn of course, but I don't really know the tools.

timber cobalt Apr 8, 2018, 11:09 AM

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@hollow bronze in blender, ctrl+alt+shift->m. This show you where your geometry is not closed

hollow bronze Apr 8, 2018, 11:09 AM

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So many keybinds to remember 😛

timber cobalt Apr 8, 2018, 11:10 AM

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/LOD#ShadowVolume

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In OB, "structure->topology->find non closed" does the same thing

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@white jay you should download the eurofighter by pookie. It is unbinarized and has a working ejectionseat

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https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/187612-ef-2000-plane-free-community-addon/

hollow bronze Apr 8, 2018, 11:32 AM

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Thanks for your help Battlestad. ❤

timber cobalt Apr 8, 2018, 11:41 AM

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Remember to triangulate and sharpen edges again after closing geometry

eternal burrow Apr 8, 2018, 1:27 PM

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What is the distance work LOD (meters)?

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Somebody knows?

stuck oyster Apr 8, 2018, 1:29 PM

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it does not work in meters

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its changed depenging the scene complexity as in how much and what stuff you got on sreen and how much power your GPU got

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to simplify it a bit

eternal burrow Apr 8, 2018, 1:30 PM

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Thnx

timber cobalt Apr 8, 2018, 1:41 PM

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@eternal burrow

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Operation_Flashpoint:_Resolution_LOD_Samples

foggy finch Apr 8, 2018, 3:27 PM

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Just finished baking the low poly lapua, so took some time out to render all the AI rifles I've done so far.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img923/4812/kOOWEq.png

late raft Apr 8, 2018, 3:27 PM

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me want

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🖐🏼

foggy finch Apr 8, 2018, 3:28 PM

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heheh

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all in good time 😉

late raft Apr 8, 2018, 3:28 PM

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are those attachments gonna be proxies

foggy finch Apr 8, 2018, 3:29 PM

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the scopes, bipods or can?

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they will all be slottable addons to the rifles

late raft Apr 8, 2018, 3:31 PM

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alright good. just gotta make sure

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cuz yes

cinder pivot Apr 8, 2018, 4:07 PM

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Anyone know how intensive animation selections are/extra selections to animate?

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No extra textures just movement in positions

stuck oyster Apr 8, 2018, 4:51 PM

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intensive?

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as in network use or something else?

cinder pivot Apr 8, 2018, 4:53 PM

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Just like a lot of movements/animations

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Just want to mess with movements/hides based on current hitpoints dmg

woeful viper Apr 8, 2018, 5:04 PM

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how many animations are we talking?

storm nacelle Apr 8, 2018, 5:04 PM

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Just mainly where to begin with modeling for Arma 3 in blender, ie where to get character rigs, import, export. I’m just looking for a tutorial to kind of nudge me in the right direction.

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Whenever I google anything I just seem to get retexturing tutorials

cinder pivot Apr 8, 2018, 5:17 PM

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@woeful viper no clue - I am just trying to feel the waters

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I would assume like 5-7 animations and like quite a number of different bones

stuck oyster Apr 8, 2018, 5:24 PM

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if they are all part of same animation sequence use same animation source on all of them and trigger that

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should not be a problem at all

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you should already know we can best help you if you dont beat around the bush with your question 😝

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and tell us what is it you want to do

cinder pivot Apr 8, 2018, 5:26 PM

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Well I don’t know what I wanted to do tbh

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Like I think 2017 mod for a3 was going to have like a armour system

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Where stuff is damaged based on hitpoints

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To animate

stuck oyster Apr 8, 2018, 5:27 PM

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on vehicles?

cinder pivot Apr 8, 2018, 5:27 PM

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Yea

stuck oyster Apr 8, 2018, 5:27 PM

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Id say that should work

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there are bone count limits though

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256 or something like that

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animations you can have a lot

cinder pivot Apr 8, 2018, 5:28 PM

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Gotcha so thats what the issue would be, since its limited bones vs like a few animations

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Like 1 animation per side and X bones to use that is the issue

stuck oyster Apr 8, 2018, 5:29 PM

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yeh so cant really animate each plate and bolt 😄

cinder pivot Apr 8, 2018, 5:29 PM

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Yea

stuck oyster Apr 8, 2018, 5:29 PM

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well sure you could have at least 6 directions

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sides, front, rear, and corners

cinder pivot Apr 8, 2018, 5:29 PM

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256.. will have to see how many vehicles base bones are

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Yep

stuck oyster Apr 8, 2018, 5:29 PM

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Id say there aint that many really

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but also you can add that only to custom models

cinder pivot Apr 8, 2018, 5:30 PM

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Summer is a coming up, gotta break out my vehicles again

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Yea

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Ofc 😛

stuck oyster Apr 8, 2018, 5:30 PM

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😄

cinder pivot Apr 8, 2018, 5:31 PM

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But yea, thx - bones would be my issue then vs animations

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Good to know though, Ill stuff it in the back of my mind

stuck oyster Apr 8, 2018, 5:32 PM

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cant remember what the exact limit was

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but not more than 256 at least

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maybe some less

cinder pivot Apr 8, 2018, 5:32 PM

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Will also be fun to check out new physx on hatchbacks etc

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Yea that number seems familiar .. 255/256 bones

polar fiber Apr 8, 2018, 5:33 PM

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yes, it's 256

cinder pivot Apr 8, 2018, 5:36 PM

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👌 thanks

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Does stuff just limbo when that happens?

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Or errors or what

stuck oyster Apr 8, 2018, 6:40 PM

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animations dont work on the bones over the limit

lethal axle Apr 8, 2018, 7:44 PM

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Anyone got a character model that I can import into blender to use as reference?

stuck oyster Apr 8, 2018, 7:46 PM

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Arma 3 Sample models has all you need

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get FHQ blender toolbox and import the A3_character_example.p3d

lethal axle Apr 8, 2018, 7:49 PM

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okay thanks

lusty ginkgo Apr 8, 2018, 9:57 PM

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So what's the trick to baking AO maps on models with windows and doors?

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for windows there simple doesn't need to be a window pane so that works fine but with doors the door still needs to be affected by the AO so it can't be removed

quick terrace Apr 8, 2018, 10:00 PM

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for doors i do 2 bakes, and blend em

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it is shit with no doors, just as shit with door present

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also it is way more visible than with windows

lusty ginkgo Apr 8, 2018, 10:03 PM

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I just need to find a way to exclude certain objects from affecting the AO during baking so I don't have to move everything 20 meters away

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not sure if I can in blender though

quick terrace Apr 8, 2018, 10:04 PM

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can’t you hide stuff instead of moving it?

lusty ginkgo Apr 8, 2018, 10:05 PM

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See, that would be the obvious solution

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but of course doesn't work with blender lol

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it seems you have to either literally delete the object, or move it away for it to be ignored during baking

quick terrace Apr 8, 2018, 10:07 PM

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pretty sure there is an option someplace otherwise it is a bit stupid

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that said door and window frames still require their lighting bakes

lusty ginkgo Apr 8, 2018, 10:11 PM

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The frames are part of the structure so that isn't an issue

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I just don't want glowing doors

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anyway, I'll figure that out later, I gtg for now, thanks for the input

polar fiber Apr 8, 2018, 10:16 PM

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so I don't have to move everything 20 meters away but "exploding" the mesh is the standard practise for baking models with animated parts

stuck oyster Apr 8, 2018, 10:42 PM

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@lusty ginkgo you can set Blender to bake only from selected objects to active object

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or move stuff to other layer

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possibly setting them not to render can also work

lusty ginkgo Apr 8, 2018, 10:54 PM

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I'll try another layer

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hiding them or disabling their render setting doesn't do it but I forgot that blender has such an odd layer system

atomic path Apr 9, 2018, 7:33 AM

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I've copy-pasted the insignia proxy from samples to my uniform and it gives me some weird shadow glitches. It's not added to shadowLOD (same as in sample files), only resolutionLODs. Gives similar artifacts to un-triangulated shadowlod faces. Any idea how to fix?

stuck oyster Apr 9, 2018, 9:43 AM

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got pics?

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cant remember there being an insignia proxy?

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do you mean youve copied the mesh piece with the insignia selection

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📎 unknown.png

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does your uniform have a shadowlod?

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is the insignia mesh piece in it

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as it should not be

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📎 unknown.png

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do you have this named property in your res LODs

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it disables that lod from shadow calculation

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@sokolonko#0094

stuck oyster Apr 9, 2018, 11:08 AM

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@white jay there is a new selection rename and deleteion tool in the dev branch OB https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/169362-tools-development-branch-changelog/?do=findComment&comment=3281551

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Tools Development Branch Changelog

29-08-2017

	Size: ~12.5 MB



	 



	TOOLS



	BankRev



		Added: Ability to sort the columns on the main form
	
	
		Added: Shortc...

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but if you think your question through you will notice the probelm with what you would want to do when you have multiple different lods that have different meshes

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where your selection projected to the other lods it would never match it 100%

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because the mesh in each reslod should be much simpler than the previous one

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not to mention memorylod or geometery lods which are again far different

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depends what program you made your modeli in it could be simpler and faster to create the slections there

sacred grail Apr 9, 2018, 2:14 PM

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how is nvidia's new ray tracing going to affect texture baking?

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I understand it won't change anything for Arma but what about with other engines?

outer condor Apr 9, 2018, 3:33 PM

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@Laroche#6560 https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Quick_camo_selection_definition_guide

Quick camo selection definition guide

bitter shore Apr 9, 2018, 3:47 PM

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Hey guys does anyone know why this happens? :c https://gyazo.com/8b250ba680ca313fdd77e28453c1a222

atomic path Apr 9, 2018, 4:54 PM

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@stuck oyster I have shadowLOD, the insignia mesh is not there, all reslods have LODNoShadow

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And yeah, I just copied the insignia from vanilla

quick terrace Apr 9, 2018, 6:00 PM

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@Hololand#5890 it won't affect it. ray tracing is nothing new, just being able to ray trace real time is.

lusty ginkgo Apr 9, 2018, 11:02 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/XJvJZvN.png

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finally done with the actual modelling part

stuck oyster Apr 9, 2018, 11:12 PM

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🎉

fervent steppe Apr 9, 2018, 11:33 PM

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Cool

vernal lynx Apr 9, 2018, 11:36 PM

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@atomic path In O2, select a square on your uniform shoulder, copy paste it, move it a bit so it doesnt collide with the original mesh, re UV it in UV editor, assign "insignia" named selection, enjoy (dont forget the section in model.cfg)

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you can also do all that in blender, doesnt matter

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oh and texture : #(argb,8,8,3)color(0,0,0,0)
rvmat : a3\data_f\default_super.rvmat

sharp halo Apr 9, 2018, 11:59 PM

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I dont know if it has been posted or not but apparently in Tanks DLC, Joysticks for gunners use turret_control_x and turret_control_y but I am not sure how to use them

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Or I am wrong and suddenly you can create custom anim sources with custom names ?

polar fiber Apr 10, 2018, 12:56 AM

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you can make custom names

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e.g. in turret classanimationSourceStickX = gunner_stick_trav; animationSourceStickY = gunner_stick_elev;

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and in model.cfg class gunner_stick_trav: MainTurret { type= rotation; source= gunner_stick_trav; selection= gunner_stick; axis= gnrstick_trav_axis; minValue= -1; maxValue= 1; angle0= rad -30; angle1= rad 30; }; class gunner_stick_elev: gunner_stick_trav { source= gunner_stick_elev; axis= gnrstick_elev_axis; angle0= rad -30; angle1= rad 30; };

sharp halo Apr 10, 2018, 1:02 AM

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@polar fiber :-o thank you so much! I thought I would give you something and instead I learned something :-) thanks again

polar fiber Apr 10, 2018, 1:03 AM

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it was added in the Tac Ops DLC IIRC

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We had it on a couple of RHS vehicles for a while at least

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but I imagine it was part of the Tanks development regardless, since that's been a major feature of having interiors

sharp halo Apr 10, 2018, 1:07 AM

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I was worried also that my view pilot Lod was too heavy, being 35k faces, but then I checked the pilot lod for M2 tank has 80k so yeah

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Thanks again, everything works great 😃

lusty ginkgo Apr 10, 2018, 2:10 AM

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Is there a detailed page that documents how _ADS textures work?

sonic valve Apr 10, 2018, 2:46 AM

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Can a turret like on the ghosthawk move on multiple pivot points?

sonic valve Apr 10, 2018, 3:19 AM

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Like have a swing bar + moving on rotation?

stuck oyster Apr 10, 2018, 6:10 AM

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turret/gun animationSource can power any number of chained bones/animations

polar fiber Apr 10, 2018, 6:52 AM

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possible that the AI isn't so great at aiming when the animation isn't a simple arc though

bitter shore Apr 10, 2018, 11:56 AM

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Any good tutorials on OB UV mapping?

quick terrace Apr 10, 2018, 12:03 PM

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@lusty ginkgo not really ;)
@bitter shore great nickname, never do UVs in OB if you wanna remain sane

bitter shore Apr 10, 2018, 12:05 PM

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@quick terrace Thnx ^^, I just want to make a simple UV for a car. Whenever I add oneside and then try to add the other top side the first side disappears :c

quick terrace Apr 10, 2018, 12:09 PM

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did you model that car in OB? i doubt that, so why don't you UV it in the software you used to model it in ? @bitter shore

bitter shore Apr 10, 2018, 12:11 PM

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Back to 3dmax it is :c

bitter shore Apr 10, 2018, 2:07 PM

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Found out how in ob at last 😄 https://gyazo.com/df64ef569f5e7adf9030d1b6e23c2077

quick terrace Apr 10, 2018, 2:18 PM

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lol

cinder pivot Apr 10, 2018, 4:04 PM

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🤔😕

tacit herald Apr 10, 2018, 5:53 PM

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I'm lost

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my transparent textures are black

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as in what should be transparent, is showing as black

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any thoughts?

quick terrace Apr 10, 2018, 6:01 PM

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what file format did you convert it from, what was the bit depth per channel and how many channels

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what is the resolution of that texture

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how did you convert the file

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did you use the proper sufix?

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@tacit herald

tacit herald Apr 10, 2018, 6:31 PM

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hang on

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from png 1024x1024

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32bit

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converted through Texview

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ah64d_glass_ca

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RGB/None

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DXT5

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and it has 4 channel. Red Green Blue and Alpha

minor jasper Apr 10, 2018, 6:46 PM

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send me the texture in pm if u want

lunar plover Apr 10, 2018, 7:01 PM

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Why does the back of the wall look?
http://prntscr.com/j3hcd0
http://prntscr.com/j3hcjy

polar fiber Apr 10, 2018, 7:14 PM

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@tacit herald your .rvmat probably references a .paa file that is not unpacked on your P: drive

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binarisation bakes information about which faces have alpha applied to them, in to the model. So it needs to be able to reference the files when packing the ODOL model

tacit herald Apr 10, 2018, 8:18 PM

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I just checked

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all reference paas are there

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and reference correctly

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thing is...I released this mod before. I changed 1 line in the config.cpp months after the previous release

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now this

minor jasper Apr 10, 2018, 10:02 PM

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i sent the guy the right texture - he should be fine now

formal vapor Apr 11, 2018, 3:09 AM

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How do I collapse sections in oxygen?

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I have a high poly model with about what is supposed to be 13 sections, but about 141 is shown in the status bar

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I need to fix this because I think it's causing a specular map issue

broken abyss Apr 11, 2018, 5:20 AM

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I'm not sure if this is your problem but try removing doubles in blender

ebon abyss Apr 11, 2018, 5:21 AM

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https://pmc.editing.wiki/doku.php?id=arma:modeling:section_fixing

lusty ginkgo Apr 11, 2018, 7:10 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/M9cug8i.png
Anyone know what might cause this? First time testing in buldozer and those weird little black flickering lines are there. Also I should mention that is the MC texture so that's why it is so low res here

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Having no texture on the faces and just the MC in the .rvmat doesn't have this issue

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The combination of the MC having no alpha channel and being assigned as the face texture seems to have been the cause

lunar plover Apr 11, 2018, 11:14 AM

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My firs model 😃

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http://prntscr.com/j3rbgo
http://prntscr.com/j3rau6
http://prntscr.com/j3rc7s

sharp halo Apr 11, 2018, 11:54 AM

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@lunar plover try Substance Painter if you want to texture. It is 1000 times better and yeasier(atleast for me)

gray jay Apr 11, 2018, 11:56 AM

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Great start Spook, now it's time to continue and learn abouth high and low poly, baking normals and finding a software that suits you best for textures. good luck.

bold flare Apr 11, 2018, 2:16 PM

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Encoders will also find a new handy feature in Object Builder: a single selection can now be renamed or deleted across all LODs where it exists. \(O_O)/

fathom dagger Apr 11, 2018, 2:17 PM

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oh if only i knew what that meant :(

foggy finch Apr 11, 2018, 2:17 PM

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lol

wraith tendon Apr 11, 2018, 2:18 PM

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Select one, delete everywhere

lime nebula Apr 11, 2018, 2:18 PM

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That's cool

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I prefer 64-bit version of Binarize

bold flare Apr 11, 2018, 2:20 PM

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the return of the sources of the core configs That sounds nice. But I'm not sure what that means. configs with comments probably right?

foggy finch Apr 11, 2018, 2:21 PM

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yep

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p:\bin\config.cpp etc were commented at one point, dissappeared a few patches ago, more a fixed regression than anything

halcyon wren Apr 11, 2018, 2:23 PM

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Yeh, it will very likely be commented sources. Was looking for them last week and was sad they were gone :/

foggy finch Apr 11, 2018, 2:24 PM

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they are a good resource to reference for base classifications

outer condor Apr 11, 2018, 4:33 PM

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@bold flare .\a3tools\binarize\bin\* had them till recently

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📎 commented_configs_binarize_bin.7z

bold flare Apr 11, 2018, 4:36 PM

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yep. They are back in latest tools update

lethal axle Apr 11, 2018, 4:38 PM

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Is there a hard cap limit to model you can put ingame?

stuck oyster Apr 11, 2018, 4:39 PM

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yes but if you reach it youre doing it wrong

outer condor Apr 11, 2018, 4:39 PM

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@bold flare are they? i am on at tools dev branch and its only config.cpp and config.bin

lethal axle Apr 11, 2018, 4:40 PM

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@stuck oyster I am trying to import cars Into the game but I am not the one modelling them.

bold flare Apr 11, 2018, 4:40 PM

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atleast the techrep says they are. And someone on forum reminded tom about it

stuck oyster Apr 11, 2018, 4:41 PM

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@lethal axle Im hoping these are legit cars and not ripped from anywhere

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as such cars have 99% of the time been

lethal axle Apr 11, 2018, 4:41 PM

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Hum3D

stuck oyster Apr 11, 2018, 4:42 PM

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yeah those are not game ready

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at least the ones I checked out

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those are for rendering and highpoly-lowpoly baking

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but not worth it even trying to use them as is in a game

lethal axle Apr 11, 2018, 4:44 PM

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yeah, but you can order them to be GameReady on certain ones.

stuck oyster Apr 11, 2018, 4:44 PM

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sure those might be useable

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if you want to invest the money

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but thats a lot of money to make a mod

lethal axle Apr 11, 2018, 4:45 PM

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Money isn't a big issue to me. I can always earn more

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I just wanted to know what to cap was to be able to purchase models under that.

stuck oyster Apr 11, 2018, 4:46 PM

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well vehicles usually are kept in the 40k range

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but to work properly

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they need something like 4-6 resolution lods each ~half the polies the previous one

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so that when they are faraway they dont beat the crap out of your performance

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or when theres many of them on screen

lethal axle Apr 11, 2018, 4:48 PM

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Okay

stuck oyster Apr 11, 2018, 4:49 PM

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so you would probably want at least the 20-30k range and if you dont intend to do the rest yourself the 3-5k too

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if you want to make them performance friendly

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also you probably would want the uvmapping and texturing too

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possibly the interior option too

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so ~1500$ a car

river kite Apr 11, 2018, 5:08 PM

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For your information those models are Not uvmapped properly their uvs are a joke

cinder pivot Apr 11, 2018, 5:08 PM

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Best to learn somewhat of what you are doing

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Then do the legwork yourself

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Save thousands

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??

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Profit

river kite Apr 11, 2018, 5:10 PM

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A mate bought some Time ago a Model of them, the result is He asked me if i could uvmap the model completly new

stuck oyster Apr 11, 2018, 5:10 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

woeful viper Apr 11, 2018, 5:48 PM

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40k? i heard 40k ? Someone wants to volunteer for my... oh nvm.

stuck oyster Apr 11, 2018, 5:56 PM

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xD

woeful viper Apr 11, 2018, 5:58 PM

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dont worry about UV, its entirely optional in life mods, according to popularity of models with solid colors slapped on them

minor jasper Apr 11, 2018, 6:11 PM

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Lods no more than 30k for exterior then halve and halve again until its below 300. If youre being really cheap just a good pilot view and exterior view plus simplified interior will do. You can make your own distance lods in OB but they wont be pretty. Then a decent shadow volume of 1.5k polys and a detailed fire geo. You can make the other shadows and geos from those.

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So spending a little of your budget on a decent artist here would make sense to get your shadow and geo sorted

lusty ginkgo Apr 11, 2018, 8:25 PM

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So my ambient shadow texture on my model is behaving very strangely

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I can only see it when the face is almost directly to my left, or right, when in buldozer, while faces I am looking at directly aren't shaded at all

stuck oyster Apr 11, 2018, 8:27 PM

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pics?

lusty ginkgo Apr 11, 2018, 8:29 PM

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one sec

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https://i.imgur.com/7FB74pG.png
https://i.imgur.com/9hdeaXa.png
Looks the same on faces on the outside with or without shadows visible in BD

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https://i.imgur.com/046NAq3.png for comparison, what a vanilla building looks like

stuck oyster Apr 11, 2018, 8:45 PM

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odd, have not seen it behave like that

lusty ginkgo Apr 11, 2018, 8:47 PM

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it actually does that with procedural ADS textures as well

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I guess it's just the shading in general

stuck oyster Apr 11, 2018, 8:57 PM

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could be your models face normals are not correct

lusty ginkgo Apr 11, 2018, 8:58 PM

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tried that

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I set all the edges to smooth and the interior looks much better

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it looks like all the edges were sharp before but they weren't so I don't understand why everything was affected

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in fact very few edges should be marked as sharp edges at all

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might be something with the blender > p3d export I missed

stuck oyster Apr 11, 2018, 9:02 PM

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I get messed up normals in B > p3d sometimes. not quite sure why it happes. Should make some tests at some point xP

lusty ginkgo Apr 11, 2018, 9:03 PM

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in blender I had to manually flip a bunch of faces on the interior because the normals were reversed for some reason

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but I always recalculate in OB since they never look correct straight from blender anyway

lusty ginkgo Apr 11, 2018, 9:20 PM

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So I guess it always exports the .p3d with every edge marked as sharp

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can't figure out why though

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oh nvm it uses the actual face shading instead of the actually marked edges

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the faces all have to be smooth shaded for it to use edges

foggy finch Apr 11, 2018, 9:33 PM

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if you have a mish mash of flipped faces in blender, make sure all your vertices are welded, and faces pointing the correct way,. that shading in your earlier pics looked like a double edge caused by unwelded vertices due to flipped faces.

lusty ginkgo Apr 11, 2018, 9:47 PM

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by welded do you mean merged? So there aren't any overlapping vertices? I have fixed all of those

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I have some loose edges and points for the memory LOD actually so I should move those to a separate object

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not sure if that makes any difference

foggy finch Apr 11, 2018, 11:06 PM

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where your wall meets the floor looked like a split edge / unwelded corner vertices (unmerged/split, so 2-3 vertices instead of one), this will give you a shading error regardless of how good your textures are.

lusty ginkgo Apr 11, 2018, 11:25 PM

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the wall aren't connected to the floor or the ceiling

sharp halo Apr 11, 2018, 11:26 PM

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And they should

lusty ginkgo Apr 11, 2018, 11:26 PM

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there is no way to do that without making some messy abomination of a model though

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unless I just place every vertex manually

sharp halo Apr 11, 2018, 11:27 PM

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I dont quite understand then. How does it look?

lusty ginkgo Apr 11, 2018, 11:29 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/ifZzuz6.png

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just about the same as the vanilla A3 models

quick terrace Apr 11, 2018, 11:32 PM

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that sort of bake shouldn’t happen no matter of the floor is welded to the walls

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that said, it should be

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also, unless you want a modular house build or something

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you might wanna clean that topology...a lot

lusty ginkgo Apr 11, 2018, 11:34 PM

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it's divided into a grid just like the A3 floors since it uses an image with several smaller textures in it

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also has an edge texture for edge tiles

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in between each wall there is a line and seam so each room can have individual grid pieces for the floor texture

quick terrace Apr 11, 2018, 11:37 PM

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no, a3 floors are not like that

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i should know since some of the a3 buildings are made by me...

lusty ginkgo Apr 11, 2018, 11:40 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/HYctRqC.png my model using the A3 floor texture
https://i.imgur.com/4P8XWpB.png sample model divided into floor grid not attached to the walls

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same principle, no?

quick terrace Apr 11, 2018, 11:42 PM

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no

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because in your case there is no point for the grid

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because you are using a seamless texture

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the sample is using a tile type texture

lusty ginkgo Apr 11, 2018, 11:43 PM

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I literally sent a screenshot showing the UV

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I am using the same texture so the floor needs to be in a grid pattern for the UV map

quick terrace Apr 11, 2018, 11:45 PM

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is this yours yeah?

lusty ginkgo Apr 11, 2018, 11:45 PM

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some of the floor faces go under the wall so maybe I should fix that so they're aligned

quick terrace Apr 11, 2018, 11:45 PM

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https://m.imgur.com/ifZzuz6

Imgur

lusty ginkgo Apr 11, 2018, 11:45 PM

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that is mine

quick terrace Apr 11, 2018, 11:45 PM

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where is the tile?

lusty ginkgo Apr 11, 2018, 11:45 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/HYctRqC.png
it was this one lol

quick terrace Apr 11, 2018, 11:46 PM

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how many multimats are you using

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and why you are using a texture that is not seamless instead, run out of individual textures?

lusty ginkgo Apr 11, 2018, 11:47 PM

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in the screens it's just different materials on different vertex groups so I can see in blender and bake the MC/low res texture. It only uses 2 multi rvmats

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I am trying to make a building similar to the A3 ones for the learning experience

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using the same textures

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also the tile has surrounding darker tiles so each individual face can be shifted on the edges of the floor

quick terrace Apr 11, 2018, 11:50 PM

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ok, so the reason for the grid is that you are using existing textures already made

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not because you are capped in terms of textures 4 per multimat

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whatever, i consider what you are doing poor practice but whatever

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back to your ao issues

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unless there is a fuckup with the second uv set

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the ao should back in walls and floor no matter if these are connected or not

lusty ginkgo Apr 11, 2018, 11:55 PM

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so the floor should end where the wall starts?

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btw the A3 building materials I was looking at for a guide uses 4 textures in the first multi and 3 in the second. Also one of the textures is in both .rvmats and they have the same UVTransform and everything, so if that was part of the first material's mask, that would leave 2 free texture slots for the 2 .rvmat

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I am probably going to just do some heavy modification of my building using custom textures now that I have the basic idea

jade rock Apr 12, 2018, 3:29 AM

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quick question. but would memory points on proxy models work for useractions ?

cinder pivot Apr 12, 2018, 3:38 AM

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Logically, I don’t think it does. You could always try though

jade rock Apr 12, 2018, 3:49 AM

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Yeah i think im being limited by max memory points for what I want to do then 😦

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count selectionNames cursorObject
``` returns 107 xD

cinder pivot Apr 12, 2018, 3:52 AM

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Wtf

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Why you got that many?

jade rock Apr 12, 2018, 3:53 AM

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mm_bank ...

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im lost

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all i wanna do is add a few more user actions

edgy cobalt Apr 12, 2018, 4:06 AM

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Why can't you place points inside primary model? And also you can use one point for different useractions

jade rock Apr 12, 2018, 4:07 AM

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I tried adding a memory point to test , and it didnt work.

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I watched some videos, and on one they said it was limited to 99 selections

edgy cobalt Apr 12, 2018, 4:10 AM

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i have much more points and selections in my modular damageable vehicles and it works well. Are you sure that problem is with amount of points?

jade rock Apr 12, 2018, 4:11 AM

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hm

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I dont know

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I tried adding a memory point.

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didnt seem to work

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https://gyazo.com/da89656e09e9395190756f15998c73d2

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I got the memory point there.

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          class accessatm {
            displayName = "Access ATM";
            position = "atmscreen";
            radius = 3;
            onlyForplayer = "false";
            condition = "";
            statement = "hint 'test'";
          };
``` within my userActions class

edgy cobalt Apr 12, 2018, 4:17 AM

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Every named selection represented only by one point?

jade rock Apr 12, 2018, 4:18 AM

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just the memory points

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most of the selectionNames are glass_hide and unhide ...

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still no action

edgy cobalt Apr 12, 2018, 4:24 AM

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Yes, but if atmscreen selection contains more then one point it merges it like if you press Shift+D
Also if someone hides a point it will appear at [0,0,0] of the model
Try to check this

jade rock Apr 12, 2018, 4:24 AM

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didnt move

edgy cobalt Apr 12, 2018, 4:30 AM

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Try to add "alive this" or somthing else into condition = "";
Not sure that empty string works fine

jade rock Apr 12, 2018, 4:41 AM

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still nohting. will try again

edgy cobalt Apr 12, 2018, 4:44 AM

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But the original bank, vithout your modifications works fine? Cause I remember, that there was an errors in australian building sources.
for e.g. showroom doors condition or statement was wrong

jade rock Apr 12, 2018, 4:45 AM

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Im just adding new points.

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the only thing that does't work is the sliding doors

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OOOH

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I GOT IT

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WOO

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I have no idea what i did.

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i just fiddled

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now time to see if i can do it again xD

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hmm

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next one. can i make it so i cant get the options through walls xD

edgy cobalt Apr 12, 2018, 5:19 AM

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with default interactions you can only try to configure a radius of useractions

lusty ginkgo Apr 12, 2018, 6:42 AM

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How exactly does one combine two meshes? I can't seem to find a way

lusty ginkgo Apr 12, 2018, 6:58 AM

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knife project worked fairly well in my circumstances

quick terrace Apr 12, 2018, 8:39 AM

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can you be more specific about what you mean by combining 2 meshes?

teal remnant Apr 12, 2018, 8:40 AM

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any reason why the new "spz" plates only work on one plain typically the back one

lusty ginkgo Apr 12, 2018, 8:45 AM

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I mean like they have combined topology

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anyway I think this could be considered an improvement? https://i.imgur.com/n9Q8Vak.png

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just noticed the thing by the door where the points aren't connected

quick terrace Apr 12, 2018, 8:48 AM

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no idea for blender since i am not using it, for max is a matter of attaching a mesh to the other and low target welding points

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but the points needs to be on top of the other to weld correctly

lusty ginkgo Apr 12, 2018, 8:49 AM

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I was hoping I wouldn't have to do it manually but I found a faster way to cut the faces

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used the walls to knife project onto the floor and merged doubles

quick terrace Apr 12, 2018, 8:51 AM

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and yes that is definately and improvement

lusty ginkgo Apr 12, 2018, 8:55 AM

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Perhaps drawing a sort of "floor plan" with edges and then extruding them would be a better way to do the interiors

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next time I'll start there lol

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thanks for the help

quick terrace Apr 12, 2018, 8:59 AM

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neah, i always do the walls first

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the floor and ceiling, if flat, is a matter of selecting the open edges then capping and triangulating, unless i want something specific done

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i also always think about the textures - if i want some classic wood parquet on the floor, there is always some wooden border between the parquet general surface and walls, besides the wall plinth

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so that would need some extra geometry

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always know what textures you wanna use and where you wanna use it

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also, when dealing with 2 multimats, i found it easier to split these by interior and exterior

lusty ginkgo Apr 12, 2018, 9:07 AM

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Makes sense to me

foggy finch Apr 12, 2018, 9:17 AM

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yeah i usually split my interiors and exteriors for multis for house sized and larger buildings aswell

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latest topo looks drastically better than what you posted earlier btw rylan

lunar plover Apr 12, 2018, 10:03 AM

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Thank you @sharp halo - dün 14:5

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Thank you @sharp halo @gray jay There is no idea about the Substance Painter and high and low poly. I will search.

quick terrace Apr 12, 2018, 10:36 AM

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@white jay yes, weight (mass) distribution

jade rock Apr 12, 2018, 11:27 AM

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: Can I do useractions on basic items ?i.e items with Items_base_F inheritence.

white jay Apr 12, 2018, 11:44 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/auQUT After months of being lazy i finally taught myself node texturing

stuck oyster Apr 12, 2018, 4:26 PM

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👍

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now make a multimat mask baker out of it too!

white jay Apr 12, 2018, 4:30 PM

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No idea what the hell that is but I'm sure I'm going to have to learn that soon lol

stuck oyster Apr 12, 2018, 4:36 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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well basically you replace textures with colors

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so you can use multimaterial shader to slap them on it in Arma

lunar plover Apr 12, 2018, 5:09 PM

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How can i solve this problem ?

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http://prntscr.com/j4e8fi

stuck oyster Apr 12, 2018, 5:09 PM

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what is this problem?

lunar plover Apr 12, 2018, 5:09 PM

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the back of the objen looks

stuck oyster Apr 12, 2018, 5:10 PM

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flip the faces?

lunar plover Apr 12, 2018, 5:10 PM

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in blender

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http://prntscr.com/j4e9d8

stuck oyster Apr 12, 2018, 5:11 PM

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you need to make the interorio mesh too

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Arma does not suppor 2 sided faces

lunar plover Apr 12, 2018, 5:11 PM

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create a copy of the object, I need to reverse it ?

stuck oyster Apr 12, 2018, 5:11 PM

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and your blender view has 2 sided faces on

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turn on backface culling

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If you want paper thin walls yes you can reverse it

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if you want proper walls you need to model the interior smaller

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in any way you want

lunar plover Apr 12, 2018, 5:13 PM

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http://prntscr.com/j4eat8

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this settings correct ?

stuck oyster Apr 12, 2018, 5:13 PM

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yes

lunar plover Apr 12, 2018, 5:14 PM

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If I get this type of render, the problem is solved?

stuck oyster Apr 12, 2018, 5:14 PM

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no

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you still need to make the interior for that room

lunar plover Apr 12, 2018, 5:15 PM

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create a copy of the object ?

stuck oyster Apr 12, 2018, 5:15 PM

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if thats how you want to make it

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I would say its not the best option

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but it will work

lunar plover Apr 12, 2018, 5:15 PM

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how should I do?

stuck oyster Apr 12, 2018, 5:16 PM

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like you have done the whole building in the first place

lunar plover Apr 12, 2018, 5:16 PM

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can i use cube?

stuck oyster Apr 12, 2018, 5:16 PM

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sure

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try out things

lunar plover Apr 12, 2018, 5:17 PM

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ok thank you. i'll try

foggy finch Apr 12, 2018, 5:52 PM

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anyone made editor previews for assets since this patch dropped? its telling me no classes found, yet they are loaded in game... if I run the command with the default params it'll dump everything vanilla,. I tried with other mods and also returning no classes.

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/BIS_fnc_exportEditorPreviews

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oblig command link for reference

polar fiber Apr 12, 2018, 6:05 PM

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Yeah, I had that the other day. Had to specify classnames in the 6th index of the array instead of using the cfgpatches classname in the 5th index

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e.g. 0 = [0.5,"all",[],[],[],["some_classname"]] spawn BIS_fnc_exportEditorPreviews;

foggy finch Apr 12, 2018, 6:06 PM

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damn thats a chore

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strange, it works with a mod of mine that only contains 1 building.. hm

polar fiber Apr 12, 2018, 6:07 PM

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strange thing is, the 5th index worked on one addon (rhs_c_fmtv) but not another (rhs_c_hmmwv)

foggy finch Apr 12, 2018, 6:07 PM

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yeah

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wierd..

lusty ginkgo Apr 12, 2018, 6:12 PM

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@stuck oyster is that one of your rock models? How did you manage to get such good results on your mask like that?

foggy finch Apr 12, 2018, 6:13 PM

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nah still not working for weapons hm..

stuck oyster Apr 12, 2018, 6:13 PM

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yes thats one of my rocks

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📎 unknown.png

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and because my procedural material looks like this 😄

lusty ginkgo Apr 12, 2018, 6:15 PM

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is that blender?

stuck oyster Apr 12, 2018, 6:15 PM

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yes

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cycles nodes

lusty ginkgo Apr 12, 2018, 6:15 PM

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I don't want to learn cycles

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it looks hard and confusing

stuck oyster Apr 12, 2018, 6:15 PM

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you should

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its not that confusing once you get into it

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and its very powerful

lusty ginkgo Apr 12, 2018, 6:16 PM

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I imagine it functions in a similar way to world machine what with the nodes and such

stuck oyster Apr 12, 2018, 6:16 PM

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mm yes Id suppose so

lusty ginkgo Apr 12, 2018, 6:16 PM

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WM is easy to learn

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easy-ish

stuck oyster Apr 12, 2018, 6:16 PM

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well then you already got one foot in the doorway

lusty ginkgo Apr 12, 2018, 6:17 PM

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yeah but now a 3rd dimension is getting involved

stuck oyster Apr 12, 2018, 6:17 PM

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😄

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yeah it took me a while to figure out how to separate different directions

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but its possible

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this mossy rock material works great and always covers the object the same way

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so it produces 100% compatible rocks

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📎 unknown.png

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📎 unknown.png

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📎 unknown.png

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and the mask is produced with same procedural setup where the textures are replaced with solid mask colors

lusty ginkgo Apr 12, 2018, 6:28 PM

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you know you can blend multi material masks, right?

stuck oyster Apr 12, 2018, 6:28 PM

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yes

lusty ginkgo Apr 12, 2018, 6:28 PM

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not sure if that would help with the look you're going for here but it works

stuck oyster Apr 12, 2018, 6:28 PM

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id do that a bit

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I blend baked full model _CO over the masked tiling textures

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in Arma

lusty ginkgo Apr 12, 2018, 6:30 PM

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you could just render some red and green + blue and green clouds, set them to HUE blending mode, and lower the oppacity a bit in PS to make it look a bit more random

stuck oyster Apr 12, 2018, 6:30 PM

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and some of the color edges blend together too

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it does not need any more random

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it would become messy

lusty ginkgo Apr 12, 2018, 6:31 PM

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probably not lol

stuck oyster Apr 12, 2018, 6:37 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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and they look nice in game too

lusty ginkgo Apr 12, 2018, 6:50 PM

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indeed

lusty ginkgo Apr 12, 2018, 7:26 PM

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having connected topology on the interior of my building makes vertex groups pointless

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damn blender

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guess I'll have to use materials then

half heath Apr 12, 2018, 11:19 PM

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Nice rocks you got there

cinder pivot Apr 12, 2018, 11:20 PM

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I agree, they rock

sharp halo Apr 12, 2018, 11:31 PM

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Is it possible to hide big part of lets say a big square plane, and show only a little square in the middle , using other geometry as mask?
Something like this: https://imgur.com/UyfHBCG
Or is there any other solution that would work, in order to only show that little part of that square ?(the square is going to move)

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I got something, but it works partially, becouse it hides my HUD also, maybe I could make that my HUD is visible through geometry?

agile flint Apr 13, 2018, 1:07 AM

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Good to see some rocks they arent 100% grey

lusty ginkgo Apr 13, 2018, 4:35 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/Alteqcu.png
oddly satisfying

lusty ginkgo Apr 13, 2018, 5:46 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/aKs8rmv.png
I did it boys

sharp halo Apr 13, 2018, 6:10 AM

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Nice, very nice

rough idol Apr 13, 2018, 8:33 AM

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@sharp halo you can always create mfd on top of mfd and animate MFD memory points 😛

sharp halo Apr 13, 2018, 8:37 AM

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@rough idol I am not sure If I understand you correctly. You mean moving memory points of Mfd in front of the geometry?

rough idol Apr 13, 2018, 8:43 AM

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yes

sharp halo Apr 13, 2018, 8:46 AM

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Yeah, cant do that in this case, becouse I have mfd points which I use for creating other display, which unfortunately is behind the one which I want to add this geometry to.

rough idol Apr 13, 2018, 8:47 AM

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why? you can have multiple mfds & mfds memory points

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just create a bone which contains those mem points and do whatever structure you need

sharp halo Apr 13, 2018, 8:53 AM

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What do you mean by bone with memory points? In class mfd?

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My problem is that geometry blocks visibility of these memory points(and I cant delete that geometry or move memory points)

rough idol Apr 13, 2018, 8:56 AM

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you can make 2nd mfd with square you want

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and then animate position of it with model.cfg

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memory points of those 2nd mfd need to be in some bone if you want to animate them

sharp halo Apr 13, 2018, 9:01 AM

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Oooh that is what you are saying. My problem is with visibility of MFD defined via class MFD in the config, not MFD with texture

rough idol Apr 13, 2018, 9:24 AM

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so? what I'm saying should still work

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what are you trying to do exactly?

sharp halo Apr 13, 2018, 9:37 AM

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@rough idol I have 4 mem points defining position for class MFD Hud. I am also trying to make a moveable map on one screen. So I found a way to do that in fz ah64, where it was done by masking the square with map texture with geometry and applied rvmat to it, I can post full rvmats but later when I am home. (from what I remember the map geometry uses NoZWrite flag in rvmat). And from the pilot point of view, the memory points for class MfD are behind that geometry, and that results in not showing Hud ingame

sharp halo Apr 13, 2018, 6:31 PM

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@rough idol Ok I am home again, so I dont know if you understood me correctly , so here is what I want to achieve.
https://imgur.com/308xexc
On the first pic, the blue line geometry is my masking geometry. It hides part of the small red lined square, on which will be displayed actual map. Ingame it works using these two rvmats.
Masking geometry:
https://pastebin.com/5jQvN18V
And map square:
https://pastebin.com/wH9nS9eT

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I dont quite understand rvmats so I would appreciate any help.
Currently, that masking geometry, hides the unwanted part of the map perfectly. But with that it also hides any HUDs, becouse memory points for that are behind it from the pilot perspective.
Also, the map geometry itself does not block the HUDs visibility so that is even weirder.

woeful viper Apr 13, 2018, 6:31 PM

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why nozwrite?

sharp halo Apr 13, 2018, 6:32 PM

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@woeful viper I copied these from fz ah64d, I guess it is used to hide that map part

woeful viper Apr 13, 2018, 6:32 PM

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dont copy stuff you have no idea about - esp. in such cases.

sharp halo Apr 13, 2018, 6:33 PM

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@woeful viper source files have been released so I am trying to understand that

woeful viper Apr 13, 2018, 6:33 PM

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start with standard rvmat and then work from there

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its no problem to look at other stuff, but you need to try out to learn what those flags and stuff do, compared to the "standard" way - instead of taking everything as is and then wondering why some other things dont work

sharp halo Apr 13, 2018, 6:36 PM

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I am trying, I've read the wiki and I have been trying to work this one out for 4 days now. I was thinking I could do it other way but nothing comes to my mind. Also , what is Z-buffer? Wiki doesnt explain that at all

woeful viper Apr 13, 2018, 6:37 PM

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what happens if you dont use nozwrite, have you tried that? And by "what happens" i mean what happens to that face with the rvmat, vs the background model. Ignore the mfd for now

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z-buffer determines the order of faces for rendering. Ever heard of z-fighting? thats when 2 faces are too close together, so the algorithm doesnt know which one is front and it leads to flickering.

sharp halo Apr 13, 2018, 6:44 PM

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@woeful viper Thank you for explanation. Now it makes sense why on the wiki it says that this flag is used to fix shadow artifacts. As for your question, If I delete the that flag in this rvmat(which corresponds to texture map), this is what happens:
This is with the NoZWrite:
https://imgur.com/qYWMom5

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and without:

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https://imgur.com/V9BPTJo

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on the right MFD you can see on the first picture small blue square-it is part of the map

woeful viper Apr 13, 2018, 6:49 PM

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ok so you have this giant plane of the map in-plane of the "nav screen" if i interpret that right?

sharp halo Apr 13, 2018, 6:53 PM

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@woeful viper yes, this giant plane which causes everything to disappear is that masking geometry which I showed earlier, and without adding NoZWrite to the map square , it causes everything behind to go invisible.

woeful viper Apr 13, 2018, 6:54 PM

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It would not surprise me if the MFD rendering feature would not work with NoZWrite render feature, because i do not think this is ever utilized in vanilla with vehicles that use MFD

sharp halo Apr 13, 2018, 6:55 PM

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Too bad. I got a question also

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@woeful viper I thought maybe there would be a way, to make something similiar but other way around. No masking geometry, but somehow make the little square behind the map screen, and with that approach show only the part of the map where is square behind it?

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If that wont help, only solution is going with PIP

woeful viper Apr 13, 2018, 6:59 PM

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make the map static and show the position of the plane as indicator... easiest method. Yes no magnification, but at least it works properly

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you can't animate the UV's and keep the mesh fixed unfortunately, otherwise you could "scroll" the map very easily without any physical transformation.

sharp halo Apr 13, 2018, 7:01 PM

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Yeah I wondered about it and searched for it a lot, but ound nothing. But after all, thank you for your time and help

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This is quick test with pip though: https://media.giphy.com/media/2kWQgevapgtvdVtykW/giphy.gif

sonic valve Apr 13, 2018, 7:04 PM

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@sharp halo I been looking for something like that as well, how did you do that?

sharp halo Apr 13, 2018, 7:06 PM

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@sonic valve Placed a box with the rvmat above in 1.00 LOD (becouse PIP seem only to work in that LOD), placed a map inside this box, and I am moving the map with the script and model.cfg animations. Box has to have faces pointed inside, and applied that short rvmat, map has to have that long rvmat

foggy finch Apr 13, 2018, 7:52 PM

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pastebin.com lets you paste code into a website, you can then link the paste instead of spamming a full rvmat into chat 😉

sharp halo Apr 13, 2018, 7:53 PM

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@foggy finch Ok, sorry for that . Edited 😃

foggy finch Apr 13, 2018, 7:54 PM

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np, just making you aware such sites exist 😃

rough idol Apr 13, 2018, 7:57 PM

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hm, never used sooo large square for hidding stuff

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so I guess you can either use pip or try to use mfd picture thing

sonic valve Apr 13, 2018, 7:59 PM

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Very surprised that you can't just slap the current GPS screen onto a object.

sharp halo Apr 13, 2018, 8:02 PM

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@rough idol but using mfd picture poly will allow me to use only one colour , correct?

rough idol Apr 13, 2018, 8:03 PM

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hm, if color in array is white then it should left picture unmodified

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not sure atm

sharp halo Apr 13, 2018, 8:05 PM

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But there is a catch also becouse it only draws alpha channel AFAIK

lusty ginkgo Apr 13, 2018, 8:07 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/5miBuKy.png
I can't help but feel like my scale is a bit off

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door and body are both from A3 samples

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https://i.imgur.com/rY5y11v.png
My pixel-to-meter conversion seems accurate

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https://i.imgur.com/LCGSr59.png
Am I crazy or does this look wrong?

strong plaza Apr 13, 2018, 8:22 PM

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yeah building looks too big

lusty ginkgo Apr 13, 2018, 8:22 PM

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the should-height door knob looks wrong but in the last screen those are both sample models

strong plaza Apr 13, 2018, 8:23 PM

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weird

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something is off with the scale

lusty ginkgo Apr 13, 2018, 8:23 PM

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I applied the scale to both

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maybe if I combine them in OB

lusty ginkgo Apr 13, 2018, 8:48 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/6kuqLsT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/PeoC3q4.jpg
Looks like it could be correct actually

onyx carbon Apr 13, 2018, 8:49 PM

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Damn never thought about that, that is one freaking big door

lusty ginkgo Apr 13, 2018, 8:53 PM

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the model has no head or gear for one thing

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still seems weird though

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also the house plans I am using are a bit claustrophobic if it is scaled correctly

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which it looks like it is

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maybe the buildings are taller on Limnos lol idk

strong plaza Apr 13, 2018, 9:10 PM

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that's weird

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never noticed that

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those doors are unusually tall

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wait

lusty ginkgo Apr 13, 2018, 9:12 PM

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I always thought they were a bit thin and small when I was actually playing

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unless it's just the shop doors

strong plaza Apr 13, 2018, 9:12 PM

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I noticed something, look at the rock texture around the doors and windows, the UV looks stretched as if the size of the doors/windows has been changed

lusty ginkgo Apr 13, 2018, 9:13 PM

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same with the two windows on the left

strong plaza Apr 13, 2018, 9:14 PM

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is that untouched vanilla asset?

lusty ginkgo Apr 13, 2018, 9:14 PM

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yes

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have we uncovered a conspiracy?

strong plaza Apr 13, 2018, 9:14 PM

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I'm gonna have to jump ingame as see if it's there for me too

lusty ginkgo Apr 13, 2018, 9:15 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/CzMA55m.jpg
The house door seems maybe a bit shorter

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https://i.imgur.com/nLbUyMp.jpg
Still tall though

quick terrace Apr 13, 2018, 9:17 PM

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a normal door is 210x90cm, for arma you can use 220x100-110

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that looks like a 240-250, considering the characters in arma are 1.81 in height

median bough Apr 13, 2018, 9:17 PM

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90cm? for my manly shoulders?

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i'd fit there twice
insert OK guy meme

lusty ginkgo Apr 13, 2018, 9:18 PM

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obviously it's so you can fit your quadbike through

strong plaza Apr 13, 2018, 9:19 PM

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I also have the same distortion ingame

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looks like a BI modeller had an accident

lusty ginkgo Apr 13, 2018, 9:20 PM

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madness

woeful viper Apr 13, 2018, 9:20 PM

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its to fix a bug with perspective distortion in arma

lusty ginkgo Apr 13, 2018, 9:21 PM

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what perspective distortion

woeful viper Apr 13, 2018, 9:22 PM

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the renderer became crooked with Arma 3 update, but they didnt manage to straighten it, because its too complicated. So they made doors taller to compensate

lusty ginkgo Apr 13, 2018, 9:23 PM

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that's absurd lol

sharp halo Apr 13, 2018, 9:23 PM

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But easy xd

woeful viper Apr 13, 2018, 9:24 PM

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just arma things

lusty ginkgo Apr 13, 2018, 9:25 PM

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so was it always like that in a3?

woeful viper Apr 13, 2018, 9:25 PM

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happened in early development

lusty ginkgo Apr 13, 2018, 10:01 PM

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In OB I can't switched from some named selections to others

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I can click selection 1, 2,3 4, and when I try to select 5 it stays on 4

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but if I deselect first and start with 5 it selects the correct points

lusty ginkgo Apr 13, 2018, 10:19 PM

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should my building damage hitpoints contain any of the window damage hitpoints if they occupy the same-ish area?

woeful viper Apr 13, 2018, 10:21 PM

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Think about it for a minute and you know the answer.

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Shoot glass with tank APFSDS... Now the wall collapses. Makes sense? No.

lusty ginkgo Apr 13, 2018, 10:25 PM

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Actually it would switch to a different model anyway so I don't know what I was thinking lol

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the glass would already be broken and also shooting the glass would probably just destroy everything

lusty ginkgo Apr 14, 2018, 1:42 AM

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Does anyone know of a way in blender to cut straight lines along an axis?

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You know, like the knife tool

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but not lacking an ability to use an axis instead of the SCREEN ANGLE

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seems absurd

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adding a point to a line or splitting with precision shouldn't require 30 steps of setup lol

lusty ginkgo Apr 14, 2018, 5:50 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/HRO3FK4.png
So close, yet so far

sonic valve Apr 14, 2018, 6:34 AM

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loop cut does that

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but your topology needs to be kosher, only quads/tri

lusty ginkgo Apr 14, 2018, 6:55 AM

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that is my geometry LOD

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trying to figure out a "convex decomposition" something or other addon

merry gorge Apr 14, 2018, 11:18 AM

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Where would one find the option to make a plane/texture slope over the terrain? A placable texture basically.

stuck oyster Apr 14, 2018, 11:39 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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named properties 👆

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geometry lod

merry gorge Apr 14, 2018, 12:20 PM

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awesome, this is the same option for auto slope for walls after TB import?

stuck oyster Apr 14, 2018, 12:22 PM

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no

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this is for land decals

merry gorge Apr 14, 2018, 12:24 PM

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Do you know where that can be found also? basically made some walls along with the textures and I know how much of a pain it will be if I dont do it.

stuck oyster Apr 14, 2018, 12:25 PM

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if you got mikeros tools you can check .p3d named properties with eliteness

hexed fulcrum Apr 14, 2018, 12:25 PM

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hello there! i'm making a new terrain right now and i need help on some things.. the big part is done but now i need some special objects to place on the map currently im looking for different size and texture tiles to place on top of the terrain texture to blend it better when i need to place buildings (like tarmac or concrete square itles) can someone help me with this?

stuck oyster Apr 14, 2018, 12:27 PM

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if youre recruiting #creators_recruiting could be the place

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if you want tips how to do it yourself then this is the place

hexed fulcrum Apr 14, 2018, 12:28 PM

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i want to know how to make them

stuck oyster Apr 14, 2018, 12:29 PM

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well basically what you want is flat plane that has the desider texture unwrapped on it with the named properties in geometry lod I just pasted above for @merry gorge

hexed fulcrum Apr 14, 2018, 12:30 PM

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i have basic knowledge of 3d editing but nothing on object builder itself

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i can make a 3d flat plane but then what size? what format? import in to object builder and what to do? xD

stuck oyster Apr 14, 2018, 12:31 PM

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size is how big you want it to be. Arma can have difficulties with anything larger than 50mx50mx50m

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Object Builder units are in meters for example

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for basic stuff on how to use the programs there are a lot of answers on BI forums for example

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or if you use some finer program those usually have more indepth tutorials on how to use the tools

merry gorge Apr 14, 2018, 12:37 PM

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if say I have a wall which is way below the max LOD verts, it's ok to just duplicate the base lod to create the geo/shadow/firegeo etc without any edits? So literally opening the fresh .p3d from blender and right click>duplicate>set properties>save.

hexed fulcrum Apr 14, 2018, 12:51 PM

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im making the 3d flat plane for decals, now im editing the uv map how to fit the mesh in to the uv border?

woeful viper Apr 14, 2018, 12:54 PM

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"below max LOD verts" -> that is no criterion. The maximum technically allowable is in the several hundred thousands. Everything should only have as many verts and faces as absolutely necessary.

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show us an example if you need specific advice

stuck oyster Apr 14, 2018, 12:58 PM

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@merry gorge if you want to make proper models that work right you got to do the lods properly. Geometry blocks have to be convex and as simple as possible to work

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@hexed fulcrum if youre doing it in OB be aware that its uv tools are not the most easiest to use efficiently

hexed fulcrum Apr 14, 2018, 1:02 PM

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can you please stop tell me generic sentence? i know arma is not easy i make mod and scripts since it comes out but now im tryng to do something new i dont know how.. so if you dont want to help its ok but dont tell me generic things... at least could you please link some good tutorials?

stuck oyster Apr 14, 2018, 1:05 PM

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Well I dont really have any tutorials for OB so sorry cant help there. Id say check our if your questions are answered in BIforums.

hexed fulcrum Apr 14, 2018, 1:09 PM

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do not misunderstand me I do not want to offend anyone im just a bit nervous i cant find help of making a simple plane f course everyone does what he can

quick terrace Apr 14, 2018, 1:09 PM

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lol - what do you want, a session where you are told which precise keys to press and which succesion?

stuck oyster Apr 14, 2018, 1:10 PM

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go easy on the guy, hes dipping his foot first time in unknown waters

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but yeah that kind of help is unfortunately not very realistic

quick terrace Apr 14, 2018, 1:14 PM

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make a plane in your favourite 3d modelling ap, unwrap the said plane to the UV 0-1/0-1 coordinates if you plan creating your own textures, or use a seamless texture map so then just map it as you want, create the aditional needed texture maps, export the mesh from your favourite 3d modelling app as .fbx or .obj

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import that file in O2 using the correct metric units

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create an empty geo lod and use named properties

map = hide```

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pretty simple, right?

hexed fulcrum Apr 14, 2018, 1:18 PM

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ok thanks

quick terrace Apr 14, 2018, 1:20 PM

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again, no offense, this this model makers channel for ArMA, it means you will surely find help for stuff that is arma specific, unlikely to find someone to hold your hand through the entire process if you have absolutelly no idea how basic things works. there are plenty tutorials around the web for that sort of thing instead

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which are also software specific

hexed fulcrum Apr 14, 2018, 1:22 PM

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i know i was asking this only because i need a simple flat plane but things seems more hard than i guess so its ok

stuck oyster Apr 14, 2018, 1:24 PM

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The procedure for a simple plane is same as for a house or a car really. The latter just take more time doing certain parts of the procedure.

hexed fulcrum Apr 14, 2018, 1:26 PM

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ok guys thanks anyway sorry if i bothered you i will search for a complete tutorial on 3d model etc...

stuck oyster Apr 14, 2018, 1:27 PM

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asking is never a bad thing

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but you got to understand if we spent like couple of hours with you going through everything step by step

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wed be doing that forever with the next guy and the next guy

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specific questions are easy and fast to answer

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but big questions like how do I do X are not

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and in cases where people have had such luxurious help they do not come back to answer the next guys question

hexed fulcrum Apr 14, 2018, 1:30 PM

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I understand perfectly you're right

stuck oyster Apr 14, 2018, 1:32 PM

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I would personally recommend using Blender as its free and good tool and has arma compatible plugins. But of course if you dont intend to do more modeling, learning a new tool like that would perhaps be waste of time

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then again you might like it and start modeling more

hexed fulcrum Apr 14, 2018, 1:32 PM

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i would love make new objects on arma but yes its very time consuming

stuck oyster Apr 14, 2018, 1:32 PM

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OB can do what you want but OB like most of Arma tools is not very well documented

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yes that it is

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but also "bigger" tools like Blender or 3DSMax got plenty of tutorials that can get you started

quick terrace Apr 14, 2018, 1:33 PM

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OB is honestly as far as a modelling package as possible

hexed fulcrum Apr 14, 2018, 1:36 PM

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but then when i need to configure the model for the arma engine i need to know proprieties and configs to insert in to the object builder to make a obj in to a ready .p3d i cant find these type of tutorial

quick terrace Apr 14, 2018, 1:36 PM

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everything that is needed .p3d wise have been described here.
for all config related things go to #arma3_config

stuck oyster Apr 14, 2018, 1:37 PM

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well now that its on the table, the basic .p3d you drop on your terrain does not need a config at all. Config is needed only for stuff placed in game. (and not necessarily for that either if you use them as simple objects)

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and you got A3 data folder full of configs to study

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and the Arma3 samples also offer most types of examples

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and for more specific questions as PuFu said #arma3_config is the place to ask

white jay Apr 14, 2018, 2:06 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/gIMtM Two questions. 1. How can i determine how many sections I'm going to have to split this building into, I'm guessing this will be WAY too large to import as one structure. And, 2. Who around here accepts handjobs as a form of payment so I don't have to unwrap/texture all of these windows.

stuck oyster Apr 14, 2018, 2:07 PM

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Arma can safely handle 50m x50m structures

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and you unwrap 1 window

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and copy that to the rest

late raft Apr 14, 2018, 2:08 PM

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hg with his words of wisdom

white jay Apr 14, 2018, 2:09 PM

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Awesome news, Iv'e seen some mods that had huge skyscrapers split into 2/3 sections so I was trying to prepare myself to do that. And I'll have to go look up how to do that. Thanks for the quick response.

foggy finch Apr 14, 2018, 2:26 PM

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Yeah smart usage of uv's is key to large structures as well as efficient usage of uv/texture space,.
example pic -> http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img922/9700/uBrBNq.jpg
This entire structure is made using the uv's from this small section at the base of the model -> http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img924/5354/dhbYgN.png
The result of this is my base textures maintaining decent texel densities across the entire model.

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(Dont take this building size as something to go by, I was doing a quick 3d model run through from max -> arma for practice).

late raft Apr 14, 2018, 2:30 PM

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i love when people put 4 textures in 1 image

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made me feel dumb

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now am smart

white jay Apr 14, 2018, 2:34 PM

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This is good to know, I'll keep this in mind once i get to texturing this thing.

white jay Apr 14, 2018, 5:10 PM

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Hello gentlemen, finally found this secret place where all questions arma modding-wise have already been answered! 😉 Hope to find all those answers 😎

stuck oyster Apr 14, 2018, 5:15 PM

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that depends on what kind of questions you have

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also if you got time you can read through the whole channel history xD

late raft Apr 14, 2018, 5:21 PM

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4 years later

stuck oyster Apr 14, 2018, 5:40 PM

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you can start modding Arma 4

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win - win

white jay Apr 14, 2018, 6:23 PM

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Yeah, 35 modding gurus and app 2800 users. I knew it won't work! But, seriously, just great to be on this awesome board 😃

bold flare Apr 14, 2018, 6:45 PM

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12k users in total

white jay Apr 14, 2018, 6:56 PM

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It's just insane.

median bough Apr 14, 2018, 7:02 PM

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12k users in total
and one @wraith tendon

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well, nothing is perfect tho

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😄

wraith tendon Apr 14, 2018, 8:03 PM

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hi 👋

stuck oyster Apr 14, 2018, 8:03 PM

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🖖

foggy finch Apr 14, 2018, 8:14 PM

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weekend wip -> http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img922/664/P1hDvF.jpg

lusty ginkgo Apr 14, 2018, 8:26 PM

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should I have geometry on my windows? I would think so but at the same time I don't know how that would work when the windows are broken

foggy finch Apr 14, 2018, 8:34 PM

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hide/unhide using hitpoints

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test house has all of the info for that

high stag Apr 14, 2018, 8:41 PM

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Can anyone explain to me how suspension works in arma 3 for vehicles?

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I read the forums and was told that in order to figure out the correct offset values for the dampers, we divide the distance of the damper memory points by the maxcompression and maxdrop values

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but my tires are always not touching the ground

lusty ginkgo Apr 14, 2018, 8:46 PM

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@foggy finch the sample building has no geometry for the windows or the glass door but I am pretty sure they still have collision if you try to throw a grenade or something through them while they are unbroken. Do the hitpoints control that?

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wait nvm fire geometry

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the fire geo components have the selections nvm me just missing obvious shit lol

foggy finch Apr 14, 2018, 9:02 PM

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😃

dusk frost Apr 14, 2018, 9:05 PM

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Hello, is it possible to bend a selection when another selection moves, that is connected to that bended selection? i.e. if you have an antenna and move the top part how would i go about move the other part flexible with it?

minor jasper Apr 14, 2018, 10:08 PM

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Make the selections using vertices not faces

dusk frost Apr 14, 2018, 10:20 PM

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@minor jasper The bend selection? and then connect them via model.cfg?

lusty ginkgo Apr 14, 2018, 10:40 PM

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what is the difference between penetraion.rvmat and penetration_plate.rvmat?

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I think the plate variants collide on each face as if it is a separate piece of geometry or something like that but I am not entirely sure and don't know which variant to use

foggy finch Apr 14, 2018, 10:48 PM

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plate has thinner penetration values, 20mm iirc

white jay Apr 14, 2018, 10:49 PM

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Normal Materials only define material characteristics. The thickness is determined by the modelled component. (penetration.rvmat)
Plate Materials have a pre-defined thickness value. The armor thickness check will take the defined thickness and the modelled thickness into account. It will always use the value that is lower. (penetration_plate.rvmat)
Source: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/LOD#Fire_Geometry

lusty ginkgo Apr 14, 2018, 10:52 PM

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ah, thanks

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also does edge sharpness/smoothness matter on geometry LOD's?

white jay Apr 14, 2018, 10:57 PM

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Geo LOD should be closed and convex'ed. They say nothing about edges.
Source: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/LOD#Geometry

fervent steppe Apr 14, 2018, 11:31 PM

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Yep. Closed, convex. And add weight

lusty ginkgo Apr 15, 2018, 12:03 AM

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Obivously

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but should the edges be smooth or sharp?

lusty ginkgo Apr 15, 2018, 1:29 AM

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Why do roadway surface textures work in OB as .paa's?

polar fiber Apr 15, 2018, 1:36 AM

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smooth or sharp likely doesn't matter since the LOD is not rendered

lusty ginkgo Apr 15, 2018, 1:38 AM

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that makes sense

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oh god I forgot about AI paths

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this is probably going to be hard lol

lusty ginkgo Apr 15, 2018, 2:36 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/XQq0aQQ.png
Is there anything wrong with this?

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Haven't made any named selections yet just the actual path

strong plaza Apr 15, 2018, 2:56 AM

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looks fine

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I had some issues having the "in" bit like the sample model though

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https://snag.gy/2GS78w.jpg mine looks like this

lusty ginkgo Apr 15, 2018, 2:58 AM

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with the weird fan shapes and such?

strong plaza Apr 15, 2018, 2:58 AM

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yeah

lusty ginkgo Apr 15, 2018, 2:59 AM

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is each end vertex on the fan an 'in' point?

strong plaza Apr 15, 2018, 2:59 AM

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no, only 1

lusty ginkgo Apr 15, 2018, 3:00 AM

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Shouldn't they all though? So AI can enter the path from any direction on the fan?

strong plaza Apr 15, 2018, 3:01 AM

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I think I used an arma 2 model as an example

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but it works fine

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I don't know how it works exactly

lusty ginkgo Apr 15, 2018, 3:04 AM

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I am trying to figure out how the fan works on the a3 sample model

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doesn't make a lot of sense to me

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 3:16 AM

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ianbanks had a very nice markup of how it works

strong plaza Apr 15, 2018, 5:27 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh7O3vUAgaI

lusty ginkgo Apr 15, 2018, 1:47 PM

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might be a stupid question, but what effect does mass have on the geometry of static buildings?

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 1:50 PM

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The gets factored into the damage the building can take before being destroyed

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https://youtu.be/tXsRpzmcwNA

Collaboration between Opteryx, snakeman and myself to upgrade OPx's buildings

rough idol Apr 15, 2018, 2:27 PM

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you are not using named selections for door actions? @fervent steppe

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 2:28 PM

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I'm confused 😀 if you don't give the door a named selection it won't work

rough idol Apr 15, 2018, 2:29 PM

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namedSel in userActions

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action is visible only when you are pointing at component in geometry

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 2:29 PM

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Oh is that new fancy tech?

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I forgot about that

rough idol Apr 15, 2018, 2:30 PM

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it's almost 1 year old now 😉

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 2:30 PM

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Haha. I was on hiatus for about a year 😃

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Awesome sauce. I'll add that tonight

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Now I gotta redo all my other buildings 😲

rough idol Apr 15, 2018, 2:31 PM

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also, for windows you no longer have to put bazilion of memory points

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you can use single hit point vertex (for explosive damage calculation) & armorComponent - name of selection in fire geometry

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            class OpenDoor_1
            {
                displayNameDefault = "<img image='\A3\Ui_f\data\IGUI\Cfg\Actions\open_door_ca.paa' size='2.5' />";
                displayName = "Open door";
                position = "Door_1_trigger";
                priority = 11;
                actionNamedSel = "Door_1_action";
                radius = 1;
                aiMaxRange = 3;
                onlyForPlayer = 0;
                condition = "((this animationSourcePhase 'Door_1_sound_source') < 0.5) && (cameraOn isKindOf 'CAManBase')";
                statement = "([this, 1, 1] call BIS_fnc_Door)";
            };```

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 2:32 PM

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👍

rough idol Apr 15, 2018, 2:32 PM

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Damage_Enhancement -> armorComponent

Arma 3 Damage Enhancement

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 2:33 PM

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Thanks for the tips!

rough idol Apr 15, 2018, 2:33 PM

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np

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I don't remember atm if actionNamedSel was taken from geometry, view geometry or fire geometry

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I think it was geometry but not 100% sure

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/UserActions

UserActions

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one note about armorComponent - previously, amount of damage was also affected by size of object bounding box. with armor component it's no longer working like that so armor values might need some adjustment

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negative syntax for armor is also quite interesting in this case since it's outcome is more predictable

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i.e. pistol bullet have hit = 8 in cfg, glass has armor = -9; -> result: window will survive 2 shots from pistol

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 2:40 PM

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Hmm. So you only need one hitpoint vertices in that lod then or does it work solely on the fire lod named component

rough idol Apr 15, 2018, 2:41 PM

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hitpoint vertex is still required for calculating explosive damage

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usually i just merge all vertexes of fire geo components and copy paste end result to hitpoints LOD

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 2:42 PM

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Ah

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Good stuff. Thanks reyhard.

foggy finch Apr 15, 2018, 2:54 PM

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protips reyhard 👍

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 2:55 PM

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good thing is with my macro configs its easily updatable lol

woeful viper Apr 15, 2018, 3:16 PM

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always satisfying to be able to flip a single 'switch' and everything updates just like that 😀

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 3:16 PM

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and done!

rough idol Apr 15, 2018, 3:16 PM

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fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 3:16 PM

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Thanks again

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much better performance

rough idol Apr 15, 2018, 3:17 PM

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grab then some even more macros 😉

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 3:17 PM

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now i just gotta change all the older jbad stuff

rough idol Apr 15, 2018, 3:19 PM

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(notice that glass macro is using old, convexComponent instead of proper armorComponent - seems like I forgot to update it, ooops)

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 3:19 PM

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yep i noticed that hehe

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@woeful viper do you remember talking about using the view geomoetry to possibly block ladder access points?

woeful viper Apr 15, 2018, 3:20 PM

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no not at all

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 3:21 PM

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lol damn i cant rememebr who i was talking to about that...ive been meaning to try it but im not 100 percent on what we had spoken about

rough idol Apr 15, 2018, 3:21 PM

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/CfgVehicles_Config_Reference#ladders this maybe?

CfgVehicles Config Reference

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 3:22 PM

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ohh thats new

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hmm with that i could potentially make a component that blocks the view of the ladder

rough idol Apr 15, 2018, 3:24 PM

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or hide ladder? 😛

woeful viper Apr 15, 2018, 3:24 PM

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25.Dez 2017 by Torndeco in this channel- maybe thats what you mean milkman?

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 3:24 PM

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yes! so untill you remove the cover you can not go down the ladder...for my hidden area room in one of the old takistan houses

woeful viper Apr 15, 2018, 3:25 PM

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"Anyone got tips for AI Pathing with Ladders [...]"

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 3:26 PM

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damn ive missed a lot of new tech introduced

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This is great!

woeful viper Apr 15, 2018, 3:32 PM

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This stuff is not really publizised much either. Once it gets introduced it has a chance of beeing forgotten just as quick as it was introduced...

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 3:33 PM

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https://youtu.be/7HHcLkdqmFA

Finally I can fix this!

woeful viper Apr 15, 2018, 3:34 PM

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i compiled a changelog for all the good but small changes and additions to vehicles and weapons since plane dlc i think, so i can go through it once in a while to maybe discover/rediscover stuff again

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 3:35 PM

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That's a good idea

foggy finch Apr 15, 2018, 3:54 PM

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@rough idol @fervent steppe means to stop this from happening -> https://feedback.bistudio.com/T85945 It's probably not fixable easily due to the hardcoded nature of ladders.

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 3:59 PM

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@foggy finch yea that's probably not fixable but al least I can stop the man from getting on the ladder in the first place 😀

foggy finch Apr 15, 2018, 4:00 PM

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true 😃

woeful viper Apr 15, 2018, 4:04 PM

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the question is if you should block the person, or if you just should automatically animate the hatch. The later might be doable?

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 4:16 PM

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Well the hatch already animates so I was gonna go that route

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This way when the hatch is moved the ladder will become accessible.

lusty ginkgo Apr 15, 2018, 4:42 PM

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so I want to test my AI paths

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but my squad mate won't fucking move

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and it's not because of my paths

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he just doesn't listen lol

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 4:43 PM

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Is he linked to you?

lusty ginkgo Apr 15, 2018, 4:46 PM

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he is in my group

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he won't follow waypoints from the mission either

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 4:47 PM

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Shoot him. He's obviously possessed

lusty ginkgo Apr 15, 2018, 4:51 PM

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I just started a new mission on altis and tested the ai

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it works there

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and now it works here on my terrain

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not a clue

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he gets stuck on the stairs

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guess the fan path thing doesn't work

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 4:56 PM

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Hmm. Got an image?

lusty ginkgo Apr 15, 2018, 4:57 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/h9sAewA.png
Current path

stuck oyster Apr 15, 2018, 5:02 PM

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are the paths above the roadway?

lusty ginkgo Apr 15, 2018, 5:04 PM

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yeah

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https://i.imgur.com/VY56Ls1.png

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meant to send this as the second link

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it's about 100 cm above the roadway

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 5:12 PM

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I think 10cm above the roadway is good.

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And you have the named verts in the lod as well?

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inXX and posXX

lusty ginkgo Apr 15, 2018, 5:14 PM

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yes

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eventually the guy made it in and all of the positions seem to work

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he walks in circles a bunch

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I copied the path from the sample model for the stairs but it doesn't seem to work

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I renamed the selections as well

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 6:44 PM

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Just drop points in urself and make faces

lusty ginkgo Apr 15, 2018, 6:44 PM

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when I raise the building he gets ther just fine

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 6:44 PM

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Make sure the faces face upwards

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So there's issues with the man getting into the model

lusty ginkgo Apr 15, 2018, 6:45 PM

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I have face culling on in blender so I know they are properly oriented

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if the building is raised everything functions as intended aside from some doors with the wrong actions

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I might need to simply tweak the location of some of the in points

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 8:24 PM

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@rough idol quick question. With the hot points for glass being reduced to 1-5 vertices is there a noticeable In game performance gain?

rough idol Apr 15, 2018, 8:25 PM

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I don't think so

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 8:27 PM

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Ok just curious.

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Def much easier to open doors lol

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Now you don't have to be staring at the mem point

foggy finch Apr 15, 2018, 9:07 PM

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Spent the weekend doing lods & configs of these bad boys, enjoy.. https://www.artstation.com/artwork/5r4vg

late raft Apr 15, 2018, 9:48 PM

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Yassss @foggy finch

foggy finch Apr 15, 2018, 9:49 PM

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😄

lusty ginkgo Apr 15, 2018, 10:04 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/gMfh6xC.jpg I've made a terrible mistake

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also the AI still won't use the front stairs

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I'll fix that later

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on to new things now lol

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 10:19 PM

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@foggy finch nice!! @lusty ginkgo no roadway lod?

lusty ginkgo Apr 15, 2018, 10:20 PM

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on the front porch there is an open side with no stairs but at ground level it's a single step and I didn't think to put any of the roadway there

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so you can just walk into the floor and go prone

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 10:20 PM

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Hehe

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That's a feature not a bug 😂

lusty ginkgo Apr 15, 2018, 10:21 PM

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it's just a crawlspace

fervent steppe Apr 15, 2018, 10:30 PM

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I got one of those...it's behind a bookcase

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Come to think about it I never made a video about it. I wonder if people found it

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And there's another hidden space I made then I never told anyone. But it leads to a great sniper viewpoint

lusty ginkgo Apr 16, 2018, 1:12 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/tZGToHV.png why does my normal map look like this in blender

sudden chasm Apr 16, 2018, 3:37 AM

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Are there any tutorials that go over the whole process for making buildings for arma?

quick terrace Apr 16, 2018, 7:36 AM

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not really no

halcyon wren Apr 16, 2018, 9:13 AM

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Start with something simple and small, like a container, then work your way up to buildings. There's a lot more to understand than just modeling a house.

bitter shore Apr 16, 2018, 12:52 PM

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HALP me pls :c https://gyazo.com/a888a2accfdd12e50ec573b179527159 I turned specularity off difuse off why is it like this at night 😢

agile flint Apr 16, 2018, 1:30 PM

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Isnt that a triangulation problem?

stuck oyster Apr 16, 2018, 3:12 PM

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and/or the mesh has to be divided into smaller grid

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perVertex lighting works like that

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and because Arma is not meant for such

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or well not very well at least

bitter shore Apr 16, 2018, 4:19 PM

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so no solution for it?

stuck oyster Apr 16, 2018, 5:25 PM

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divide mesh to smaller segments

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📎 unknown.png

lusty ginkgo Apr 16, 2018, 5:39 PM

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why does lighting sometimes work on meshes that have bigger triangles?

bitter shore Apr 16, 2018, 7:47 PM

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ok will try that

lusty ginkgo Apr 16, 2018, 9:40 PM

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I don't see buildings with that kind of lighting that have a lot of space between vertices

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is it different for decals

vital geyser Apr 17, 2018, 2:04 AM

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it has to do with it not being a flat surface @lusty ginkgo

bitter shore Apr 17, 2018, 11:54 AM

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is the light subjected on the roadway or LOD 0?

bold flare Apr 17, 2018, 11:54 AM

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I'd say visible LOD.

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roadway is supposed to be as simple as possible. So splitting it up into tons of smaller segments would go against that

bitter shore Apr 17, 2018, 11:56 AM

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is there a way to split meshes via object builder? as i have around 200 pieces and i used mostly macros to mini patches

stuck oyster Apr 17, 2018, 7:27 PM

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not that I know

candid loom Apr 17, 2018, 10:10 PM

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What's the recommended number of verts for an Ops-Core like helmet for Arma 3?

polar fiber Apr 17, 2018, 10:37 PM

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3.5k ish

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but lower than that would be better

minor jasper Apr 17, 2018, 10:40 PM

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hey monkey, have you used https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/setObjectMaterialGlobal much?

candid loom Apr 17, 2018, 10:40 PM

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Huh, weird because earlier I was told 4-5k for NVDs.

minor jasper Apr 17, 2018, 10:40 PM

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i've never used it but need to have a look at it for the first time

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does it work just like textures?

stuck oyster Apr 17, 2018, 10:44 PM

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If I recall right it works only if the object in question hast all the wanted materials in it when packed

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otherwise it cant change them on the fly

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could be I remember something else though.

minor jasper Apr 17, 2018, 10:47 PM

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so i should make a tiny part of the model use the alternative material?

stuck oyster Apr 17, 2018, 10:47 PM

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Id try it first if I remember it all wrong xD

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but if that is the case (that I remember it right) then yes

minor jasper Apr 17, 2018, 10:47 PM

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we have a camo and a silver aircraft, so need to apply separate materials as well as textures

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ok thanks

stuck oyster Apr 17, 2018, 10:48 PM

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at least im pretty sure setobjectmaterial was very buggy in the past (1-2 yearsish)

polar fiber Apr 17, 2018, 10:52 PM

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hiddenSelectionsMaterials is the one that doesn't work well unless the materials are preloaded somehow

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setobjectmaterial seems to work fine

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problem is it only works on cfgvehicles

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as it's a script command

stuck oyster Apr 17, 2018, 10:53 PM

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so got close

polar fiber Apr 17, 2018, 10:55 PM

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@minor jasper if you're using Eden customisation https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Vehicle_Customization_(VhC) you can assign different .rvmats in the materials[] = array

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this is how we do the muddy versions of the MRZR in RHS

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            class mud
            {
                displayName="Tan (Muddy)";
                textures[]=
                {
                    "\rhsusf\addons\rhsusf_mrzr\data\blue_tan_mud_co.paa",
                    "\rhsusf\addons\rhsusf_mrzr\data\yel_tan_mud_co.paa",
                    "\rhsusf\addons\rhsusf_mrzr\data\red_tan_mud_co.paa",
                    "\rhsusf\addons\rhsusf_mrzr\data\grn_tan_mud_co.paa",
                    "\rhsusf\addons\rhsusf_mrzr\data\merged\orng_tan_mud_co.paa"
                };
                materials[]=
                {
                    "\rhsusf\addons\rhsusf_mrzr\data\rhsusf_mrzr_blue_mud.rvmat",
                    "\rhsusf\addons\rhsusf_mrzr\data\rhsusf_mrzr_yel_metal_mud.rvmat",
                    "\rhsusf\addons\rhsusf_mrzr\data\rhsusf_mrzr_red_mud.rvmat",
                    "\rhsusf\addons\rhsusf_mrzr\data\rhsusf_mrzr_grn_mud.rvmat"
                };
                factions[]=
                {
                    rhs_faction_socom
                };
            };```

minor jasper Apr 17, 2018, 10:56 PM

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i guess im trying to use both the old way and the new way - so setting up preconfigured silver and camo versions, and then have virtual garage modify them also

polar fiber Apr 17, 2018, 10:57 PM

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you can use VhC to preconfigure vehicles too

minor jasper Apr 17, 2018, 10:57 PM

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ok perfect thanks - so that will work in the VG

stuck oyster Apr 17, 2018, 10:57 PM

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so they kinda did not fix whatever was the issue but made a new system that works?

minor jasper Apr 17, 2018, 10:58 PM

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looks good thanks - we'll have a go at implementing this on a test vehicle

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this could really improve some of our old vehicles which have really complex randomised clutter and decals

polar fiber Apr 17, 2018, 11:00 PM

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to set up VhC to handle the textures on editor-placed variants you add an eventhandler to add initvehicle function class Eventhandlers: Eventhandlers { class BIS_Randomisation { init = "if (local (_this select 0)) then {[(_this select 0), """", [], false] call bis_fnc_initVehicle;}"; }; };

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then in the vehicle you add textureList[] = { "TextureSource_Name", 1 };

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1 means it will use that texturesource class 100% of the time if it's the only one in the list

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but you can also add more and randomise it

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e.g. textureList[] = { "Green_camo", 1, "Green_camo2", 1, "Green_camo3", 0.2, "Green_camo4", 0.2, "Green_camo5", 0.2, "Green_camo6", 0.2, "Green_camo7", 0.5, "Green_camo_kubinka", 0.2 };

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where the numbers there act as weighted probabilities

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they don't need to add up to 1, as the probability is averaged over the number of textures in the array anyway

minor jasper Apr 17, 2018, 11:04 PM

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thanks i've just pasted that straight into a phab ticket for tetet lol

minor jasper Apr 18, 2018, 12:33 AM

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so without doing the randomisation VhC stuff, or the virtual garage, is it possible to set the material to use in the config of the plane, like hiddenselectionsmaterials [] = {"my.rvmat"}; can't seem to find any documentation on that

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my plane looks smashing in virtual garage, as that has the materials[] array like monkey suggested, but the base plane using hiddenselectionstextures clearly doesn't have the material file applied (obviously) so i'll need to find a way to add it to the model for the permanently silver versions (without duplicating the model to apply the material).

polar fiber Apr 18, 2018, 1:08 AM

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can try putting the other .rvmat in another LOD of the model

halcyon wren Apr 18, 2018, 7:57 AM

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Thats IMo the best way to do it.

minor jasper Apr 18, 2018, 8:03 AM

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i'm just wonderinghow to actually force on the material in a normal config (without yet adding garage or customisation classes) cfgvehicles {class myplane {hiddenselectionsmaterials [] = {"my.rvmat"}; };};

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is hiddenselectionsmaterials an actual syntax?

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i'm lovingthis new rename in all lods function in OB - thanks Bohemia! 👍

quick terrace Apr 18, 2018, 8:08 AM

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if you wanna do another class, yes

minor jasper Apr 18, 2018, 8:13 AM

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ok thanks, i'll give it a try. came up blank when i googled the syntax, also wan't anywhere on wiki

quick terrace Apr 18, 2018, 8:19 AM

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@buoyant patio (Eggbeast)#3291 https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/setObjectMaterial

setObjectMaterial

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one thing there, the selections are definned in materials[]=

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see monkey example above

minor jasper Apr 18, 2018, 12:51 PM

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for script (setobjectmaterial) or virtual garage (materials[]) and in normal config use i can confirm that hiddenselectionsmaterials[] works 😃

stuck oyster Apr 18, 2018, 5:11 PM

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👌

inland atlas Apr 18, 2018, 9:30 PM

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Any tips on how to get rid of the HDR-boosted brightness from my sight (3x-detachable magnifier) ? How it looks: https://i.imgur.com/aD7938M.jpg vs similar RHS with normal brightness: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/341134178919645185/436269354527621122/unknown.png

polar fiber Apr 18, 2018, 9:32 PM

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make your model less black