#arma3_model | ARMA | Page 99

stuck oyster Oct 9, 2017, 5:05 PM

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out of sight out of simulation or how did that saying go

rapid yacht Oct 10, 2017, 12:01 AM

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anyone attepted, and/or had much luck with 2 wheeled vehicles in arma?

wraith tendon Oct 10, 2017, 12:07 AM

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Do you see any? 😛

dusk frost Oct 10, 2017, 12:12 AM

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Yeah on arma life mods @wraith tendon :D

sturdy parcel Oct 10, 2017, 12:48 AM

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simulation=bicycle;

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they won't have removed it from the source code, coz they don't know where it is, but it will not respond to physx. if it still works, it will be the old style arma2 methods.

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If i remember correctly during arma3 beta, we recognised bis had gone broken it, so someone got it working by treating it as a car_f with 4 wheels. the font/back pairs were simply v close together.

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I have it working in cwr3. But dont' have the config here at moment.

cinder pivot Oct 10, 2017, 2:38 AM

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^ its called physx hacks

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Bicycles are the most deadly vehicle in arma3 when directly rammed against another

jaunty leaf Oct 10, 2017, 1:41 PM

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Hey

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What's the best way to hipoly a picatinny rail?

stuck oyster Oct 10, 2017, 1:43 PM

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what program you using?

jaunty leaf Oct 10, 2017, 1:44 PM

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3ds max

polar fiber Oct 10, 2017, 1:50 PM

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easiest easiest way would be probool method with Max+zBrush

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but that's not an option for everyone

twin urchin Oct 10, 2017, 1:51 PM

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i would say use quad chamfer in the 3dsmax

polar fiber Oct 10, 2017, 1:53 PM

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I have a premade segment of rail that I splice up and re-merge to the length I need, and use that as the starting point for that object in the model https://www.dropbox.com/s/ie4150o6mth42dq/PicRail.fbx?dl=0

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support edges are in already, but no mesh smooth applied

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since pic rails have standardised dimensions, it's a useful jumping-off point for things like the receiver width

jaunty leaf Oct 10, 2017, 1:57 PM

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okay

simple lake Oct 10, 2017, 3:45 PM

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@rapid yacht i ahve done motorbikes yeah

pure whale Oct 10, 2017, 7:21 PM

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how can i delete a specific face using object builder? touch faces will select all points assosiated with a face and delete them too, which i dont want

white jay Oct 10, 2017, 7:26 PM

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Select the face and press D (Option is also under Menu->Faces->Remove)

rapid yacht Oct 11, 2017, 12:05 AM

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@DeanosBeano#1098 did you have to do anything special in terms of physics to make it work correctly?

twin urchin Oct 11, 2017, 10:51 AM

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One thing that i been wondering , you can't use hiddenselections for the custom handgrenade right?

tacit karma Oct 11, 2017, 11:11 AM

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nope

twin urchin Oct 11, 2017, 11:38 AM

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crap

dusk frost Oct 11, 2017, 5:45 PM

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hi, what is the selection name for my vehicle for the parts which should bright when the engine starts ?

stuck oyster Oct 11, 2017, 5:47 PM

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you mean like an engine light?

bold flare Oct 11, 2017, 5:47 PM

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like.. dashboard lighting and stuff?

rough idol Oct 11, 2017, 6:08 PM

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podsvít přístrojů

bold flare Oct 11, 2017, 6:09 PM

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google-translated "the backlight of the instruments"

rough idol Oct 11, 2017, 6:09 PM

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aka translated to arma "podsvit pristroju" 😛

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also known as selectionDashboard

lime nebula Oct 11, 2017, 6:10 PM

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A BIMINIONS 😍

dusk frost Oct 11, 2017, 6:27 PM

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Ok thanks :) and for what is zadni svetlo because i saw it in a model which i took as example and i though this would be the dashboard lightning

rough idol Oct 11, 2017, 6:31 PM

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you can use zadni svetlo too

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podsvit pristroju was created with planes & helicopters in mind

dusk frost Oct 11, 2017, 6:48 PM

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Ah okay thank you 👍

charred bolt Oct 11, 2017, 7:57 PM

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You'll soon be fluent in Czech... https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/ArmA:_Selection_Translations

polar fiber Oct 11, 2017, 8:31 PM

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is there a config parameter to change the selection name on those old hiddenselections type anims for cockpit illumination though?

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like selectionHRotorMove=, selectionFireAnim= etc.

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oh, nvm

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that's what you meant with selectionDashboard=

twin urchin Oct 12, 2017, 1:01 PM

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any idea how to switch camera modes in object builder?

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back in O2 it worked with Num Enter but now with OB it doesnt

charred bolt Oct 12, 2017, 1:25 PM

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camera modes?

twin urchin Oct 12, 2017, 1:26 PM

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yeah you could switch 2 camera modes in buldozer

charred bolt Oct 12, 2017, 1:26 PM

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what does that mean?

twin urchin Oct 12, 2017, 1:27 PM

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buldozer had 2 perspective camera modes which you could switch by Num Enter

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but in OB it doesnt work anymore

white jay Oct 12, 2017, 1:27 PM

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i think you need to set the keybind

twin urchin Oct 12, 2017, 1:27 PM

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ehm wheres that

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for OB

charred bolt Oct 12, 2017, 1:29 PM

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Perhaps you mean lock camera rotation in perspective view?

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I've only ever seen 1 type of perspective camera, but didn't mod in A2.

white jay Oct 12, 2017, 1:29 PM

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ingame

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go to keybinds and select the dropdown "development"

charred bolt Oct 12, 2017, 1:30 PM

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oh, in buldozer, right

white jay Oct 12, 2017, 1:30 PM

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not sure if OB buldozer can open the settings

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try f1

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otherwise you can do it ingame

twin urchin Oct 12, 2017, 1:39 PM

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i see there is a Buldozer switch camera - with Insert key but that doesnt work when i use buldozer in OB

white jay Oct 12, 2017, 1:44 PM

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do you use a diffrent profile in buldozer?

tulip beacon Oct 12, 2017, 1:44 PM

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use F2 for free camera

white jay Oct 12, 2017, 1:44 PM

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like specify one in the startup params inside OBs preferences

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@tulip beacon i think that only works in TB bd

tulip beacon Oct 12, 2017, 1:44 PM

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nope

white jay Oct 12, 2017, 1:44 PM

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oh ok

tulip beacon Oct 12, 2017, 1:44 PM

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works in ob as well

twin urchin Oct 12, 2017, 1:45 PM

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@tulip beacon oh dude thats what i been looking for , it works thanks 😄

pure whale Oct 12, 2017, 10:42 PM

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@white jay thx

civic salmon Oct 12, 2017, 11:55 PM

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Hey yall, could anyone tell me why some proxies I add to my models load their collision (Geolod) properly and others do not? Trying to attach railings to a building.

stuck oyster Oct 13, 2017, 12:00 AM

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do you have the proxies in the geolod?

civic salmon Oct 13, 2017, 12:05 AM

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I did not. I added them and it seems to be working properly now, sort of!

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Is it standard to put your proxies in all the applicable LODs?

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And thank you for the information too btw

stuck oyster Oct 13, 2017, 12:19 AM

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Im under the impression that the proxy loads only in the lod you put it in.

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you could however probably add the geometries on the main model too

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not sure if extensive proxy use is better for performance

civic salmon Oct 13, 2017, 12:50 AM

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I see, yeah, I was thinking proxy use would be better for performance

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Also I was having some problems with crashingthe game on earlier versions of my model but this has helped me get around that

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(I'm working on a pretty big 40x40 meter structure so I know I'll need to use proxies to make it any bigger

stuck oyster Oct 13, 2017, 12:56 AM

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you might be better off splitting it into many p3ds

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if you want to go beyond 40-50m

civic salmon Oct 13, 2017, 12:57 AM

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yeah, that's hte plan, its an oil rig so there will be a derrick extending from one side

civic salmon Oct 13, 2017, 2:47 AM

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ok, now I'm really scratching my head, the proxies in my GEOlod are working fine in collisions with players but vehicles can go right thru it

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I made a phys lod and everything

agile flint Oct 13, 2017, 5:28 AM

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When it comes to making tracks for tanks, does the amount of faces in said track increase the quality and smoothness when the tracks bend etc?

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So, say the part of the track touching the ground is just 1 big face, will the game still bend it where it needs to bend?

tacit karma Oct 13, 2017, 6:46 AM

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yep

brave wyvern Oct 13, 2017, 10:35 AM

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what does everyone here texture with

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wrong channel...

woeful viper Oct 13, 2017, 4:59 PM

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@agile flint what do you mean by 1 big face? You can make it a flat plane, but you need to divide it to be able to have it deform. I do 1 vertice below each wheel. It's the simplest way and usually sufficient. Also - if you have divisions that are not directly under a wheel you have to weight them differently to the wheel bones. Last time i tried weighting vehicle vertices (skin weights) to a bone i got bombarded with rpt error messages...

woeful viper Oct 13, 2017, 9:10 PM

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@woeful tartan this channel contains occasional model pr0n, shouldn't it also be NSFW?

wraith tendon Oct 13, 2017, 9:39 PM

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🤦

civic salmon Oct 13, 2017, 10:08 PM

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I am sorry for not being more clear earlier. I am still stuck on a small problem that is holding up my oil rig project. I am adding p3d model proxies (railings I made) to my oil rig model. They are working correctly all LODs, but they do not collide with vehicles properly (you can drive right thru them or fly thru with a heli). I wrote a config for the railings and they collide properly with vehilces when spawned in the editor. I also added an a3 proxy, and also am not seeing collisions with vehicles. Do proxies simply not work with vehicle collisions, or am I doing something wrong? (Btw, I did add a phys LOD also no dice) Could it be something in the geolod properties I have to add? Thank you if anyone can help me, and thank you bohemia for making such a dope game

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(The railings are working properly for everything but vehicle collisions, I.E. you can't walk thru them, shoot thru them)

stuck oyster Oct 13, 2017, 10:13 PM

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could you just add the railing geometries to the actual model?

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or are they very complex

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did you add them to physX geom lod too?

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vehicle collision actaully may need that

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@civic salmon

charred bolt Oct 13, 2017, 10:17 PM

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Did you remember to name all the components "ComponentNN" in the Geometry and Geometry Phys LOD's? easily forgotten

stuck oyster Oct 13, 2017, 10:17 PM

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that too

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though if the railing works as separate object then that is probably correct

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but if it only has geometry lod in it and not physXgeom at all it works by itself because all other geometry lods default to the actual geometry lod

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but as proxies they just might not

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 12:07 AM

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yeah, the object is set up correctly, I think it's maybe just proxies don't collide with vehicles

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I'll probably just have to make geometry for the railings in the actual model

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I was just hoping I wouldn't have to, to keep things simplified and modular

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and goat yeah, I added them to phys lod

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 12:46 AM

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But there MUST be a way, right? Because I know they recommend using proxies for large, multi part objects

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2017, 12:53 AM

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Where and who?

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and why

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lets start with that

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:02 AM

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maybe I'm confused, I've read on the forums about breaking up larger objects into separate p3ds but perhaps they were not saying use proxies

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2017, 1:03 AM

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yes thats right

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you make the different p3ds and use them as separate objects in editor or terrain builder

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:03 AM

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I see

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ok, so I guess I probably just need to put my railings and stairways on the actual model

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that will probably work best

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2017, 1:04 AM

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could be yes

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:05 AM

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well, thanks for the info 😄

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what about the lower size limit of geometry? I have some stuff thats smaller than 0.5 meters

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is that reallly such a big problem

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I mean for the geolod

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2017, 1:06 AM

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what you have read I believe is about splitting up larger than 50m structures/objects into separate pieces

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:06 AM

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yes

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2017, 1:06 AM

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arma does not like that small geometries as far as I know

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you may be doing it too complex

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:07 AM

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right, I'm trying to avoid that since I had to completely start my project over after it wouldn't stop crashing arma

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I'm doing it step by step so if it starts crashing I know what Idid wrong

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that was my whole idea of why I'd want proxies for my railings, to keep it simple

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and I mean it actually works great, BUT for the fact that vehicles don't collide with them

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(I am a novice 3d modeler too btw)

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2017, 1:08 AM

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how do you intend to use the oilrig?

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as a terrain objects

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:08 AM

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yeah

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terrain object, but it can be placed in the editor

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so people could use it for their missions etc

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2017, 1:09 AM

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well that may not be possible

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or at least easy

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the editor part

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:09 AM

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well I have that part figured out

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2017, 1:09 AM

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as you may need to create it form quite a many pieces

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:09 AM

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it wasn't too hard actually

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but it's only40x40

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so

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yeah

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if it was bigger then yeah I wouldn't know what to do

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some people have done it I know, like the nimitz mod

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2017, 1:10 AM

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oh its just a small one then 😄

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:10 AM

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yeah its not real huge

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2017, 1:10 AM

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aaa

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:10 AM

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its still a big building to me tho, 40x40 4 stories high

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with a 5thstory helipad

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2017, 1:10 AM

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oh yeah sure its not small

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but I was under the impression it was just larger

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:11 AM

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I was having some crashes withthe old version so I had to start over, but I'm doing a better job with keeping the model and UVs clean this time

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well I think it would be dope to make a huge oil rigtoo

charred bolt Oct 14, 2017, 1:11 AM

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I'm fairly sure vehicles do collide with proxy geometries.

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2017, 1:11 AM

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not if theyre too thin probably

charred bolt Oct 14, 2017, 1:12 AM

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Have you tried putting your proxy inside the main model just to check it's working ok?

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:12 AM

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that I have not

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I'll give it a try

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although I did create a config so I can spawn it in editor

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and it works fine with vehiclecollisions there

charred bolt Oct 14, 2017, 1:12 AM

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You've put the proxy in the GeoLod and GeoPhys Lod?

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:13 AM

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yes

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2017, 1:13 AM

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how many components would you estimate your geolod has

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with the proxies there?

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are we in hundreds or thousands

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:14 AM

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including the proxies each or each individual compenent in those?

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2017, 1:14 AM

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hmm

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both

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:14 AM

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right now I have 29 components in my main model, plus 96 proxies with one component each

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which is way less than the sample arma3 models

charred bolt Oct 14, 2017, 1:15 AM

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that number sounds fine

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2017, 1:15 AM

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yes that sounds ok

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I was worried you may have each piece of railingpipe as separate component

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:15 AM

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no, but the fire geometry yes

charred bolt Oct 14, 2017, 1:16 AM

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Ah...

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I'm looking at an object I have which has vehicle collisions...

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:17 AM

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ok, so it must be possiblethen

charred bolt Oct 14, 2017, 1:17 AM

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proxies in all LOD's...but not in GeoPhys

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:17 AM

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I must be doing something wrong

charred bolt Oct 14, 2017, 1:17 AM

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for GeoPhys I had to make a simple structure

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in the main model

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:17 AM

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I see so you had to do the geophys separately

charred bolt Oct 14, 2017, 1:17 AM

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yes

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2017, 1:17 AM

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it is possible that since geophys is newer lod it does not work in proxies

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:17 AM

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I was thinking about that, that's clever

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yeah

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that's a likley theory goat

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2017, 1:18 AM

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good catch @Apollo#1366

charred bolt Oct 14, 2017, 1:18 AM

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so LOD1, Geometry and View Geometry are proxies, GeoPhys is main model objects

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:18 AM

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well, I'll just have to do this manually but it willstill be quicker than placing them in max i think

charred bolt Oct 14, 2017, 1:19 AM

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GeoPhys should be incredibly simple anyway - try to use a minimum object count <10?

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:19 AM

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right

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2017, 1:20 AM

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I may add before proxies were used to bypass vertex poly limits

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:20 AM

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hmm

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2017, 1:20 AM

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but A3s limits are in millions

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:20 AM

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I see

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2017, 1:20 AM

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so not everything has to be proxied

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:20 AM

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I was thinking it would just be nice to have a modular system where everything was 5 meters long so I could set up the same rig like50 different ways

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2017, 1:21 AM

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sure

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 1:21 AM

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well, I could, if I have them as placeable editor objects

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anyway, thanks for the info guys.

stuck oyster Oct 14, 2017, 1:21 AM

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👍

charred bolt Oct 14, 2017, 1:22 AM

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good luck with it - test simple first to verify

civic salmon Oct 14, 2017, 2:56 AM

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Apollo your workaround worked and was not too time consuming

agile flint Oct 14, 2017, 3:35 AM

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@woeful viper Yea thats exactly what I was asking. So the more cuts the smoother the track deformation.

Thanks for clearing that up

white jay Oct 14, 2017, 4:40 AM

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Hello developers of Arma. At this time I'm on the lookout for an objectbuilder individual whom I can pay (or not?) to do some work for me. I'd love to learn it myself, however, when I use the moddeling software, it has vastly different keybindings and movements than O2, and I'd prefer to specialize.

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If anyone is interested, HMU.

cinder pivot Oct 14, 2017, 4:48 AM

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blender tools - nuff said

white jay Oct 14, 2017, 5:05 AM

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I know blender tools, though I don't know how to use object builder.

polar fiber Oct 14, 2017, 9:37 AM

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there are tools for Blender that export directly to Arma 3 formats, so you wouldn't need Object Builder

quick terrace Oct 14, 2017, 10:55 AM

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@white jay - #creators_recruiting

white jay Oct 14, 2017, 11:56 AM

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is there some way of getting debug info out of ARMA 3? I have a building in a terrain that is behaving oddly. Blocking don't appear to work and fir geometry half works (I can shoot through a wall one side but not from the other side). I would like to get some debug info that might help work out why. The logs as I have them aren't too useful.

bold flare Oct 14, 2017, 12:13 PM

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dev branch diagnose executable

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see diag_enable command on wiki

white jay Oct 14, 2017, 12:59 PM

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thx, dev branch diagnose executable, that something I get via steam?

tacit karma Oct 14, 2017, 1:08 PM

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yes

white jay Oct 14, 2017, 2:03 PM

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thx, got it but it won't load up my mod. The one I want to debug! Am I missing something?

tacit karma Oct 14, 2017, 3:06 PM

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you have to start the diag exe via shortcut, not launcher

white jay Oct 14, 2017, 4:44 PM

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ic

dapper girder Oct 14, 2017, 6:26 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/359024040465137667/368655537736384523/paths.png

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why wont the AI follow this?

foggy finch Oct 15, 2017, 12:31 AM

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you want to fan out your inX named selections,. you also need them at either end. you fan them out so the AI have a greater chance of finding them, 3 points cover a larger area than 1 vertice does.

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http://imageshack.com/a/img922/3794/tpGJOi.png

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example ^

late canyon Oct 15, 2017, 1:52 AM

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hey boys, got an issue with a car

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https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/868491611912960382/CFFDB0AC22DCCCEA575E900A49BB63BB8C84CE6D/

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wheels are stuck in the ground and even weirder part is the left wheels are further down

stuck oyster Oct 15, 2017, 2:19 AM

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could be your physX springs config not being right

late canyon Oct 15, 2017, 2:26 AM

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yeah i've been trying to work on the springs but the calculations are weird and i can barely figure out how to do them

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and it also doesnt make sense that the left side would be lower if they all have the same messed up springs

stuck oyster Oct 15, 2017, 2:33 AM

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also could be your damper axis points not being even

late canyon Oct 15, 2017, 2:53 AM

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all of them are even though, i checked thats why im so confused

stuck oyster Oct 15, 2017, 2:57 AM

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the car geometry may not be balanced

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but also the physX configs are likely culprit

late canyon Oct 15, 2017, 2:58 AM

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center of gravity shows up in the center, and i set the physx configs according to the equations provided so i'm very lost rn

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http://screencloud.net/v/AUKJq

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http://screencloud.net/v/5f9Dg

stuck oyster Oct 15, 2017, 3:02 AM

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whats your physx geometry like?

late canyon Oct 15, 2017, 3:02 AM

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http://screencloud.net/v/dAQ7E

stuck oyster Oct 15, 2017, 3:03 AM

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its not convex but that I suspect would not cause the wheels to sink

late canyon Oct 15, 2017, 3:04 AM

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yeah, friend gave it to me because beforehand my collisions didnt even work but i did notice that

stuck oyster Oct 15, 2017, 3:05 AM

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fix it anyhow

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Also I hope you plan adding more resolution lods. because the car does look a little poly heavy

late canyon Oct 15, 2017, 3:06 AM

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yeah of course

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i just want a working car before i bother messing with lod models

stuck oyster Oct 15, 2017, 3:06 AM

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whats the mass of your wheel geometries

late canyon Oct 15, 2017, 3:07 AM

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20 each

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car total is 1746

stuck oyster Oct 15, 2017, 3:07 AM

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ah

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that sounds ok

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whats your wheel mass in physX config

late canyon Oct 15, 2017, 3:08 AM

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20

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wait

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i may have realized one mistake here oops

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i measured wheel mass just by dragging over on the side but that included both of them

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2 mins to check ingame lol

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nvm it is 20 including the rim

stuck oyster Oct 15, 2017, 3:11 AM

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and the dampers animate into right direction?

late canyon Oct 15, 2017, 3:11 AM

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which attachment points do they use

stuck oyster Oct 15, 2017, 3:12 AM

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?

late canyon Oct 15, 2017, 3:12 AM

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how would i check that one

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is it on the model or in the config

stuck oyster Oct 15, 2017, 3:12 AM

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run buldozer in OB

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switch to damper animation source and roll your mouse roll

late canyon Oct 15, 2017, 3:13 AM

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uh

stuck oyster Oct 15, 2017, 3:13 AM

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also the uneven-ness may be caused by surface settings

late canyon Oct 15, 2017, 3:13 AM

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i have no idea how to operate buldozer aside from moving the camera

stuck oyster Oct 15, 2017, 3:14 AM

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no better time to learn but the present

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Im a bit supprised your this far without using it xD

late canyon Oct 15, 2017, 3:14 AM

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lmao

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you feel like adding me on steam real quick?

stuck oyster Oct 15, 2017, 3:15 AM

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enter and backspace switch animation source

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and mouse roll adjusts animation value

late canyon Oct 15, 2017, 3:15 AM

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so they do

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the dampers are working fine yeah

stuck oyster Oct 15, 2017, 3:16 AM

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rolling up they move up and rolling down they move down?

late canyon Oct 15, 2017, 3:16 AM

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yeah

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wait

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opposite actually

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setting value to 1 makes them decompress

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0 compresses

stuck oyster Oct 15, 2017, 3:17 AM

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I suspect your axis are the wrong way then

late canyon Oct 15, 2017, 3:18 AM

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makes sense

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which points would i move to reverse it or is it a config thing

stuck oyster Oct 15, 2017, 3:20 AM

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you can mirror on Y whatever points you have defined as damper animations axis

late canyon Oct 15, 2017, 3:20 AM

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got it

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i'll try this and see if anything changed

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it's still heavily tilting to the left but the sinking into the ground stopped

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1 bug knocked out

stuck oyster Oct 15, 2017, 3:25 AM

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typo in the wheel configs is possible

late canyon Oct 15, 2017, 3:25 AM

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physx config or just normal config

stuck oyster Oct 15, 2017, 3:26 AM

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physx likely

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or could also be model.cfg values being wrong for the other wheels

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other than that Im out of ideas. Gotta go take a nap.

late canyon Oct 15, 2017, 3:29 AM

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aight

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thanks for the help

plain jackal Oct 15, 2017, 9:06 AM

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anyone know why a model with proxies would show up fine in buldozer but have all the proxies missing in-game?

sturdy parcel Oct 15, 2017, 9:08 AM

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the proxies don't exist 'in game' (missing pbo or discrepancy with where you say they are on P:\ and the real deal)

white jay Oct 15, 2017, 12:04 PM

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Can also be caused by setting the p3d class to house and giving them a config entry (for the proxies)
(edit: the property was class:house)

sturdy parcel Oct 15, 2017, 1:16 PM

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really?

white jay Oct 15, 2017, 1:23 PM

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Yeah i encounter that one about a week or 2 ago. Fixed it by removing the property class house.

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Or it would work if you didn't bother to define a config entry for it. Arma would just then complain about Land_xxx in rpt

charred bolt Oct 15, 2017, 1:35 PM

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On that subject, is it necessary to put class: vehicle in the p3d on things like cars, boats, tanks?

sturdy parcel Oct 15, 2017, 1:37 PM

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hmmm is seem to recall this as being right. from a very very long time ago

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no apollo

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structures only and ONLY if animated

charred bolt Oct 15, 2017, 1:39 PM

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Thanks!

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Presumably it doesn't 'hurt' to be in there, I see so many vehicles with it present.

sturdy parcel Oct 15, 2017, 1:40 PM

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'structures' = house, building, dog house ,latgrine, scaffolding, tree house, etc.

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no, you never see a vehicle with a land class

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a vehicle cannot be placed on a map.

charred bolt Oct 15, 2017, 1:42 PM

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there are probably hundreds of vehicle mods out there with class:vehicle set because it was in all the A2 released source files

sturdy parcel Oct 15, 2017, 1:43 PM

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that's fine they must be class=vehicle

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class= house == animated land class

charred bolt Oct 15, 2017, 1:44 PM

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someone's confused

sturdy parcel Oct 15, 2017, 1:44 PM

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yes i think it's my fault

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moment....

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Yeah i encounter that one about a week or 2 ago. Fixed it by removing the property class house.

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my bad, i misread your subsequent post.

charred bolt Oct 15, 2017, 1:45 PM

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I'll clarify the question: if I make a car mod, does my car p3d NEED to have a LOD property class : vehicle in it to properly fuction?

sturdy parcel Oct 15, 2017, 1:46 PM

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i believe so, and your questiojn was fine at the start. i totally misread it.

charred bolt Oct 15, 2017, 1:47 PM

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what happens if class: vehicle is missing?

sturdy parcel Oct 15, 2017, 1:47 PM

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i only know about properties requried for structures. sorry

charred bolt Oct 15, 2017, 1:48 PM

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no worries, I guess I could try it and find out

sturdy parcel Oct 15, 2017, 1:48 PM

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😎

charred bolt Oct 15, 2017, 1:49 PM

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there are so many LOD properties mentioned in various sources, most of which seem to be obsolete in A3 these days, that it's hard to know which are needed and which not

cinder pivot Oct 15, 2017, 1:49 PM

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wondering if my vehicles have that class property in them

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I don't know if they do, but some might

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Not much help lol

sturdy parcel Oct 15, 2017, 1:54 PM

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dep3d -Ps foldeOfP3d's will list properties for each one.

charred bolt Oct 15, 2017, 1:54 PM

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ok, I've got a vehicle without a p3d class defined and it works fine

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I'm going to stick my neck out and say that class: and style: LOD properties are probably for maps only

sturdy parcel Oct 15, 2017, 3:02 PM

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as far as i'm concerned you are correct. Here is what i wrote on the biki during arma2 days and i am unaware of bis being able to break it.

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Named_Properties

Named Properties

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the reason why they could not move goalposts here to stuff us all around is because terrain builder wasn't made by them and consequently expected those properties to remain the same.

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they did manage to screw us over by changing 'tree' to behave differently, and in doing so messed up all our arma2 walls, it was beyond their imagination to call the new simulation tree3 and thereby keep compatible..

white jay Oct 15, 2017, 3:29 PM

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It absolutely sucks when you make a model, you get someone to run it through objectbuilder, and then that guy drops of the face of the earth before he finishes it, so you're left with a binarized .p3d that you can't use for anything.

stuck oyster Oct 15, 2017, 3:35 PM

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you should still have the original right?

simple lake Oct 15, 2017, 3:46 PM

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im having a screenshot of that Eric

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classic right there

stark geode Oct 15, 2017, 5:43 PM

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Hi so I modeled a gun and added it into the game, Everything works perfectly except for the bullets. The bullets seem to shoot up or down from the gun and not out from the front of the gun as I would like it to. What would I need to add or do to assure the bullets come out of the gun properly?

stuck oyster Oct 15, 2017, 5:44 PM

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check the memorypoints from the sample models

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and corresponding config entries for them

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gunBeg gunEnd especially

stark geode Oct 15, 2017, 5:45 PM

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Gotcha, Thank you

plain jackal Oct 15, 2017, 6:23 PM

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So to clarify, my missing proxy issue is caused by the presence of the class=house property in the model containing the proxies, or the proxy models themselves?

foggy finch Oct 16, 2017, 1:22 AM

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the proxies themselves most likely,. your root object needs class house to have a valid land_xx class.

sturdy parcel Oct 16, 2017, 1:59 AM

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if animated

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ladders, doors, attendant= all require a land_class so that the config triggers whatever's needed.

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land_NameOfP3d is stored in a table baked into the wrp , The classname is called via the Glandscape code whenever that object type requires interaction.

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note this is animations. class house is, of course, the most used. But, same story applies to class=viewtower and a few others. Bottom line? if a config causes the animation, eg ladders to happen, then it must be a land_class.

foggy finch Oct 16, 2017, 2:32 AM

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yeah this ^, I figured given they'd already house classed it, that it would be animated, but you never know 😄

dapper girder Oct 16, 2017, 3:40 AM

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Do i need to create a View Geom LOD for AI to recognize the model, or do they if already have a Geom LOD?

wraith tendon Oct 16, 2017, 3:42 AM

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ViewGeo can have more Details (e.g. some Parts that you can run, but not look through)

dapper girder Oct 16, 2017, 6:03 AM

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@foggy finch So made 3 "in" point to that pathing ladder problem. Definately helped, but now they sometimes get stuck walking a loop between the "in" and "pos" points. Any suggestion on how to stop this? Right now the "pos" is in the center of the "in" triangle

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/359024040465137667/369365213629251584/ladder.png

dapper girder Oct 16, 2017, 6:42 AM

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also, do any of the pathing point types need to be on the roadway plane?

oak lintel Oct 16, 2017, 9:17 AM

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Look in the samples from buildings. Is your pathway ok, you can make a test. go ingame, place your model and set it a littlebit lower as the ground

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And test it with MoveTo or so.

solid sapphire Oct 16, 2017, 10:45 AM

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@stable zenith hello!Can I ask you a few questions on vegetation workflow?

minor jasper Oct 16, 2017, 10:52 AM

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hi. i have a very very odd problem when applying a Tanoa rvmat and texture to an arma 2 model

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https://i.imgur.com/7EM8lAa.jpg

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that show the error thrown in mikero's tool

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https://i.imgur.com/tJVKdif.jpg

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and that shows two models side by side - both rigged with the exact same rvmat and texture

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one works and the other does not, in buldozer

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can anyone shed any light on it?

charred bolt Oct 16, 2017, 12:01 PM

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I don't know much about that Shader, but is it usual to have specular[]={0,0,0,0}?

polar fiber Oct 16, 2017, 12:15 PM

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can't use nopx in a model either

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parallax shader is only supported on terrain

minor jasper Oct 16, 2017, 12:36 PM

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ahhh, ok thanks, will make a new rvmat for it

foggy finch Oct 16, 2017, 12:44 PM

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@dapper girder all of the points where the AI move onto or off of the path should be named "in1, in2, in3 ,in4" etc. the posX named selections are used for 'garrison' points where AI will post up and go into whichever state they as set to be. Your AI may be set into a state that is making them patrol back and forth along the pathlod. If your stairs are proxied and are part of a larger structure I'd keep the pathlod in the structure rather than the proxy so it can be one path lod for the entire structure and would eliminate any pathlod<>pathlod translation issues.

dapper girder Oct 16, 2017, 3:56 PM

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@foggy finch how does one tell them to never patrol that path?

foggy finch Oct 16, 2017, 3:56 PM

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probably some ai setting

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they are probably patrolling between the pos points

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😄

dapper girder Oct 16, 2017, 4:00 PM

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i removed all "pos" points, but still do the merrigoround on the "in" points

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 4:00 PM

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are they part of a group?

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how do you command them to go to the position

dapper girder Oct 16, 2017, 4:08 PM

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part of a group with me as lead, ive tried regroup and then just run for it letting them follow........and also tried commands

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/359024040465137667/369517538314289152/20171016120340_1.jpg

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the closer ladder the AI won't use but the farther one they do fairly well.......its quite inconsistent

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by "wont use", i mean they just walk to the top and then go in circles

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 4:12 PM

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they are separate objects right?

dapper girder Oct 16, 2017, 4:12 PM

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the ladders are seperate ojects

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 4:12 PM

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you could try lifting the path mesh

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in the object

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like 10-50cm

dapper girder Oct 16, 2017, 4:13 PM

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so the path mesh doesnt have to be sitting on roadwy surface?

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 4:14 PM

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I believe its even considered a proper way to do them to raise them a bit

dapper girder Oct 16, 2017, 4:14 PM

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not written anywhere :/

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well thanks for the help i'll tweak that and it give it a go, @foggy finch @stuck oyster

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 4:15 PM

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lots of stuff is not written anywhere in Arma modding. 😝

foggy finch Oct 16, 2017, 4:15 PM

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yeah roadway lod 0.01 above geometry meshes, pathway lod above those

dapper girder Oct 16, 2017, 4:17 PM

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o, ive been using 0.1 or so because being at an angle the bodies seem to be getting stuck on the geom

foggy finch Oct 16, 2017, 4:25 PM

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the roadway lod just needs to be above the geo, and the pathlod above the roadway

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if you need to raise it due to the geo it shouldnt be an issue tbh

dapper girder Oct 16, 2017, 4:34 PM

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Is it possible to have a driveable house?

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 4:34 PM

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elaborate

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in what way would it be a house

dapper girder Oct 16, 2017, 4:35 PM

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well thats the concept, so it would be driveable but players and AI able to walk around inside it

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with positions and such

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 4:35 PM

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not without scripting them to stick on the vehicle somehow

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there has been one or two attempts on that

dapper girder Oct 16, 2017, 4:36 PM

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huh, thought it be possible since houses are classified as vehicles

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 4:36 PM

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well yes if it does not move

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not sure if paths lod would work on a vehicle vehicle

dapper girder Oct 16, 2017, 4:37 PM

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can one proxy a house on top of a vehicle?

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and then would that house go with the vehicle

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 4:37 PM

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not proxy but attachTo can be used

polar fiber Oct 16, 2017, 4:37 PM

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but people inside said building wont move with the vehicle or house

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 4:38 PM

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yes moving + being inside == death

dapper girder Oct 16, 2017, 4:38 PM

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really?

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even if going really slow

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 4:38 PM

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yes

polar fiber Oct 16, 2017, 4:39 PM

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yes really. Why do you think we don't have many moving ships and things in Arma?

dapper girder Oct 16, 2017, 4:39 PM

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beats me, just figured it was a little trickier but doable

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 4:40 PM

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you would have seen it already if it was that simple. 😄

dapper girder Oct 16, 2017, 4:40 PM

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can the editor move houses along a path, and would that kill characters?

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 4:43 PM

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move them how?

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and why in editor?

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moving house along a path sounds like a train

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which would most likely kill the characters

dapper girder Oct 16, 2017, 4:49 PM

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😖

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 4:49 PM

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also

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if it was a train you wanted to make

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say so

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its much easier to help you when we know what it is exactly what you want to achieve

dapper girder Oct 16, 2017, 4:51 PM

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well it would apply to a lot of things, but none of them feasible as theyd murder the riders

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 4:52 PM

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not that you should give up completely

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but just know it has been tried before

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so you may benefit from studying what has been tried before

dapper girder Oct 16, 2017, 4:56 PM

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found a script to make it wor k:D

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but only works for players

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 5:12 PM

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what script is that?

simple lake Oct 16, 2017, 5:14 PM

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you dont need a script just Imagination for moving houses https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljIMikExyio

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 5:16 PM

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yes well but you cant actually walk in it while it moves

simple lake Oct 16, 2017, 5:17 PM

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you can if you know how to sync certain atributes to an rtm

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 5:17 PM

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do you know how to do that?

simple lake Oct 16, 2017, 5:18 PM

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of course i do i wouldnt say it otherwise

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lots of peple have done it before me too in chinooks and c130s and not just staic objects in psuedo flight lol

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do you know how Solus invented the first carryMe ? well have a think of how it was implemented

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 5:20 PM

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so its probably what Fiesty there found.

simple lake Oct 16, 2017, 5:20 PM

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i doubt it but its good he found something

glad pagoda Oct 16, 2017, 5:21 PM

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fiesty found this old script.
https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/160566-attachtowithmovement-walkable-vehicle-interriors-and-exterirors/

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 5:21 PM

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so you have a working MP compatible solution for walking around in/on moving stuff

simple lake Oct 16, 2017, 5:27 PM

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yes i do but it involves an addon also not just scripts

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 5:28 PM

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is it shared anywhere?

simple lake Oct 16, 2017, 5:29 PM

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god no , i wouldnt share lol

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 5:29 PM

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I see.

simple lake Oct 16, 2017, 5:30 PM

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good its nice when clarity is achieved

dapper girder Oct 16, 2017, 7:06 PM

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@glad pagoda @stuck oyster ya thats the one, https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/160566-attachtowithmovement-walkable-vehicle-interriors-and-exterirors/

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 7:11 PM

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Yes that was what I was referring before that it has been tried before.

clever solar Oct 16, 2017, 7:18 PM

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Sharing in Arma LOL

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Why lift a finger to share when someone can just steal it?

dapper girder Oct 16, 2017, 7:40 PM

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lol, i guess its all modding though

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so 4 free anyway

dusk frost Oct 16, 2017, 9:04 PM

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How would i go about making a belt as backpack? So how should i handle the selections like RightArm and so on? And how can i redefine points as these blue points?

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 9:08 PM

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I would strongly suggest weighting your new model in some other program, but if you want to do it in OB stalkerGB has written a decent OB weighting tutorial for A2 and the procedure is still the same

dusk frost Oct 16, 2017, 9:49 PM

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@stuck oyster the blue points i mean are just like normal selections but they are not red if you select them instead they are blue. But thanks i will take a look at that tomorrow

stuck oyster Oct 16, 2017, 9:52 PM

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yes that means they have 0 weight

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selection weighting value/color goes from red to blue

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I think N opened up the weight paint tool

dusk frost Oct 17, 2017, 2:03 PM

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do i need a model.cfg for making a backpack?

simple lake Oct 17, 2017, 2:23 PM

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yeah

minor jasper Oct 17, 2017, 2:35 PM

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if yo udont name your model class in a model.cfg your backpack will drag around at your feet

sturdy parcel Oct 17, 2017, 3:00 PM

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no it won't. the goat's will eat it.

dusk frost Oct 17, 2017, 3:41 PM

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Hi, how would i implement this in a rvmat? https://i.imgur.com/M8VdnAe.png like as a detailmap(dont know if this is what im searching for :D) ?

eternal bloom Oct 17, 2017, 4:44 PM

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@dusk frost https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Super_shader#Example

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each stage is for a specific map (normal, ambiant occlusion, specularity...)

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this example is specific to super shader

dusk frost Oct 17, 2017, 4:47 PM

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What is the SMDI?

eternal bloom Oct 17, 2017, 4:48 PM

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specularity

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nohq is normal map

dusk frost Oct 17, 2017, 5:16 PM

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oh okay thanks @eternal bloom! Is normalmap that what i posted?

cyan heart Oct 17, 2017, 6:22 PM

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Hey, I've made an animation for my revolver, it's a front loaded blackpowder revolver just for you to know.
The animation is working fine, but when it comes to the model.cfg part, well I struggeled getting the trigger and the rotating cylinder and the hammer to work.
Now what I need is, the Loading-Lever, should move just like in the animation I've done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98NTJRjUrZE
What I did in the model.cfg is, I used minValue 0 as start of the animation and maxValue 1 as ending. If that's right then my calculation should be correct.
I have 250 Keyframes devided with 100 is 0.4. So I multiplied 0.4 with the number of the Keyframe in the animation, then I get a value between 0 and 1.
Thats what I put in as Values for start and end point, then I put in the angle where the lever should move.
I might be completly wrong about this but this is the only senseful thing that came to my mind. I actually think it's way easier. However it's not working, just nothing happens while
reloading excecpt for the character reloading animation. This is my model.cfg: https://hastebin.com/nakodiyopo.scala

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This is the first time I did something like this and I cannot find enough material to learn from. I'm sorry if thsi is the wrong section to post this in, but I thought the "animation_makers" is more fore .rtm's etc

eternal bloom Oct 17, 2017, 8:36 PM

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@dusk frost it is but yours seems to be stretched

minor jasper Oct 17, 2017, 9:59 PM

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@cyan heart wow that's a complicated set of anims. one to rival one of mine i reckon 😉

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do you use buldozer to test your anims? if not i heartily recommend it

white jay Oct 17, 2017, 10:00 PM

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My UV Editor litterally wont come up in objectbuilder. Anyone know why?

minor jasper Oct 17, 2017, 10:01 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8dMltdvv4k

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that's my nagant 1895 anim

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if you want me to look at your model.cfg for you i'll need the model as well, can advise on what's wrong with it if needed

white jay Oct 17, 2017, 10:02 PM

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Well done.

minor jasper Oct 17, 2017, 10:02 PM

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or send me the model.cfg in a tidy text file

white jay Oct 17, 2017, 10:03 PM

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But seriously, I'm sitting here hitting the UV Editor button, and nothing is coming up.

minor jasper Oct 17, 2017, 10:03 PM

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surfaces/ uvsets - how many you got listed?

white jay Oct 17, 2017, 10:04 PM

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I don't have any uvsets at this time, I'm only trying to get the editor up.

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I litterally click the button that says UV, and nothing comes up.

woeful viper Oct 17, 2017, 10:05 PM

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do you / did you have dual monitor? Maybe the window is off screen?

minor jasper Oct 17, 2017, 10:05 PM

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that's what i thought

white jay Oct 17, 2017, 10:05 PM

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Yeah, I got 3 monitors, but it's not anywhere.

woeful viper Oct 17, 2017, 10:06 PM

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hum...

white jay Oct 17, 2017, 10:06 PM

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I've been fine on using it up until about an hour ago. It just stopped coming up.

minor jasper Oct 17, 2017, 10:06 PM

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create a new p3d, make a basic box in it. it will have a uvset. check if that comes up

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if it does, paste your model int oit

white jay Oct 17, 2017, 10:07 PM

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Yeah, no go on that box.

minor jasper Oct 17, 2017, 10:07 PM

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o2 freaks out when it gets something it's not expecting

white jay Oct 17, 2017, 10:07 PM

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Made a box, selected it, hit UV, nothing.

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I tried deleting O2 and verifying files.

minor jasper Oct 17, 2017, 10:08 PM

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surfaces/ uvsets - any listed?

white jay Oct 17, 2017, 10:08 PM

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I'll just made a simple model in 3dsmax and put a uvmap on it

minor jasper Oct 17, 2017, 10:08 PM

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click surfaces/uvsets/add

white jay Oct 17, 2017, 10:08 PM

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Yeah, I did that

minor jasper Oct 17, 2017, 10:09 PM

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ok so you have any listed now?

white jay Oct 17, 2017, 10:09 PM

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Got 0 and 1

minor jasper Oct 17, 2017, 10:09 PM

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ok

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and so you have uv, just that the button fails

white jay Oct 17, 2017, 10:09 PM

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Yeah.

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I've added models with a uvmap after the button stopped working, and it just wont go.

minor jasper Oct 17, 2017, 10:11 PM

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reboot?

white jay Oct 17, 2017, 10:11 PM

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Going to try that now

minor jasper Oct 17, 2017, 10:11 PM

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maybe reinstall OB

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never had it sorry

polar fiber Oct 17, 2017, 10:13 PM

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@white jay it's just off-screen

wind pewter Oct 17, 2017, 10:13 PM

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Right click the UV map and maximize

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On the tool bar that is

polar fiber Oct 17, 2017, 10:13 PM

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^^ from the task bar aye

white jay Oct 17, 2017, 10:14 PM

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Lets see if the reboot did the trick

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I can't believe it

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I feel like such a retard now

wind pewter Oct 17, 2017, 10:15 PM

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😄

white jay Oct 17, 2017, 10:15 PM

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@wind pewter & @polar fiber

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Appreciate your help as well, Rob

polar fiber Oct 17, 2017, 10:15 PM

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don't worry about it. Happens a lot. We're just used to it 😄

white jay Oct 17, 2017, 10:16 PM

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I'm such a scrub with this program

wind pewter Oct 17, 2017, 10:16 PM

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Don't sweat, it fooled me when I first did it

white jay Oct 17, 2017, 10:19 PM

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At least it has given me some good times so far: https://i.imgur.com/3WiISjO.jpg

minor jasper Oct 18, 2017, 12:53 AM

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lol thats funny, i was thinking at the time that it was like when i minimised the view pane for the model and couldnt get it back again for a whole month

white jay Oct 18, 2017, 1:09 AM

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@coral tinsel (aka Eggbeast) Yeah, that makes me feel slightly less stupid

static fulcrum Oct 18, 2017, 9:05 AM

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@white jay don’t move the memory points - i spaced them exactly how they need to be - edit the light in the class reflector

bold flare Oct 18, 2017, 9:21 AM

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You don't look through it. so.. doesn't matter. Solid would be easier though

charred bolt Oct 18, 2017, 8:23 PM

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Buldozer suddenly stopped working : "External Viewer: Unable to create viewer".
Anyone else with this problem as of today?

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Looks like arma3.exe is corrupt - validating steam files ...

simple lake Oct 18, 2017, 8:29 PM

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nope all good here

charred bolt Oct 18, 2017, 8:30 PM

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yeah, mine was corrupted, after the latest dev branch update

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thanks for checking

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do you get an non-fatal error message about no entry in CfgSoundEnvironToControllers when starting buldozer ?

simple lake Oct 18, 2017, 8:33 PM

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nope i am on dev tools and dev branch arma game tho maybe thats why ?

charred bolt Oct 18, 2017, 8:33 PM

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yes me too - didn't have the error yesterday

stuck oyster Oct 18, 2017, 8:34 PM

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@Apollo#1366 have you run A3p?

charred bolt Oct 18, 2017, 8:35 PM

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hmmm, not in the last week, no

stuck oyster Oct 18, 2017, 8:35 PM

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has Devbranch updated?

charred bolt Oct 18, 2017, 8:35 PM

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every day

stuck oyster Oct 18, 2017, 8:35 PM

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possible its that

charred bolt Oct 18, 2017, 8:35 PM

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yes could be, good call

polar fiber Oct 18, 2017, 8:42 PM

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Manually restarted steam since running Game Updater?

charred bolt Oct 18, 2017, 8:52 PM

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No, I'll do that too, thanks.

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Thanks @stuck oyster , re-running arma3p fixed the error. 👍

stuck oyster Oct 18, 2017, 9:00 PM

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had a feeling it may have been related to that for me too a while ago

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👌

dapper girder Oct 19, 2017, 1:45 PM

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is it possible to proxy in element to weapons for arma3, looking to use this to have unique magazine models depending on what is picked up

stuck oyster Oct 19, 2017, 1:50 PM

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no

glad pagoda Oct 19, 2017, 5:40 PM

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not sure if in right channel but what would cause the ragdoll to act like this when shot?

https://gyazo.com/a68542ecb74d27659719afaf35e02743

stuck oyster Oct 19, 2017, 5:44 PM

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do you hace custom skeleton pivots model made for it?

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I believe that determines the ragdoll joints

glad pagoda Oct 19, 2017, 5:45 PM

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yes, the only part of model that doesn't get all screwy are the teeth.

stuck oyster Oct 19, 2017, 5:46 PM

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does it have any animations made for it?

glad pagoda Oct 19, 2017, 5:46 PM

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i'll look at those again though just in case.

stuck oyster Oct 19, 2017, 5:46 PM

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it also goes to the dead animation state

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so if it applies that and goes into ragdoll and the animation is for Arma man that could happen

glad pagoda Oct 19, 2017, 5:48 PM

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ahh, i'll check that. that might be it.

glad pagoda Oct 19, 2017, 6:33 PM

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i think the problem is this, for some reason arma is ripping the mesh up once in game . its looks fine in OB.

https://i.imgur.com/nR4M7DU.jpg

stuck oyster Oct 19, 2017, 6:39 PM

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um why are the faces separate?

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is that just standing animation?

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are the verticles separate in the model or weld together?

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if they are weld that should not happen

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if they are not then its that + weighting

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and they should be welded together if they are not

glad pagoda Oct 19, 2017, 6:41 PM

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thats just the base pose, the mesh would go crazy when i use the idle animation due to the faces be separate for some reason

stuck oyster Oct 19, 2017, 6:42 PM

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have you made the model? and if so what program and whats your method of import

glad pagoda Oct 19, 2017, 6:43 PM

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yeah they are all joined, i used blender to export. but i think it may be my model.cfg. it started after i added my roll bones

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export as p3d

stuck oyster Oct 19, 2017, 6:44 PM

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youre absolutely sure theyre joined? because that does not look like they are

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if you open it in OB you see the vertex count in the lower left

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if you select the whole model and hit merge nearest with some small number does the vertex cound change

glad pagoda Oct 19, 2017, 6:45 PM

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yep they are joined, moved them around in ob and its not like that.

stuck oyster Oct 19, 2017, 6:47 PM

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weird issue

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is it smooth or flat shaded?

glad pagoda Oct 19, 2017, 6:47 PM

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smooth

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i'm going to try out my old model.cfg without the rollbones added and see if it does the same thing.

stuck oyster Oct 19, 2017, 6:48 PM

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does your animation rtm have roll bones?

glad pagoda Oct 19, 2017, 6:48 PM

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yep

stuck oyster Oct 19, 2017, 6:48 PM

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whats the skeleton like?

glad pagoda Oct 19, 2017, 6:51 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/Wd7Rr53.png

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yeah the faces aren't separated with the old model.cfg

stuck oyster Oct 19, 2017, 6:53 PM

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thats odd

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how many new animations you have for it (an Ork is it?)

glad pagoda Oct 19, 2017, 6:54 PM

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yeah, just a few moving and idle to test out

stuck oyster Oct 19, 2017, 6:55 PM

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and you updated all animations for the new more bones containing skeleton?

glad pagoda Oct 19, 2017, 6:55 PM

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yep

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works fine with another model we used. i'm going to check to see if there's any difference between them

stuck oyster Oct 19, 2017, 6:56 PM

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and your model.cfg skeleton hieratchy was right with the added bones

glad pagoda Oct 19, 2017, 6:57 PM

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yeah i used the samples one, they're set up the same.

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same parents

stuck oyster Oct 19, 2017, 7:25 PM

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did you add weights on the mesh for the new bones?

glad pagoda Oct 19, 2017, 7:31 PM

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yep, I have to go do some stuff. i'm going to mess around with it later when i get back home and see if i can find what the problem is.

jaunty leaf Oct 19, 2017, 10:22 PM

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https://a.pomf.cat/yqqemm.png

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WIP

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The Super Bazooka's wire stock is pain in the ass to model

woeful viper Oct 19, 2017, 10:24 PM

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not with splines... nuff said.

jaunty leaf Oct 19, 2017, 10:25 PM

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Ye

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I need to learn how to use those

woeful viper Oct 19, 2017, 10:28 PM

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also editable patch

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perfect for curved windscreens, helmets and more

jaunty leaf Oct 19, 2017, 10:51 PM

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More to learn!

late canyon Oct 21, 2017, 2:59 AM

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hey guys, any idea why my spotlight doesn't want to move with my animated memory points?

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i put some blocks down and set their parent as the points and the points definitely move, but my "reflector" won't change with the updated position and direction points

late canyon Oct 21, 2017, 3:58 AM

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https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/868492236911829009/1326E8B87A431EC317BAD6130E563CDE5ED6452B/

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theres a pic

late canyon Oct 21, 2017, 4:39 AM

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engine bug, nvm

broken abyss Oct 21, 2017, 8:13 AM

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Can anyone help me out? My objects are tipping over once shot at or ran over eventhough I set them to not recieve damage

stuck oyster Oct 21, 2017, 1:14 PM

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map objects or editor objects @broken abyss

broken abyss Oct 21, 2017, 1:14 PM

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Map

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Custom objects btw

stuck oyster Oct 21, 2017, 1:14 PM

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geometry named property damage = no?

broken abyss Oct 21, 2017, 1:15 PM

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How do I do that?

stuck oyster Oct 21, 2017, 1:16 PM

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do you use blender?

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and FHQ Arma toolbox

broken abyss Oct 21, 2017, 1:35 PM

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Yes but no, i dont use any toolbox

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i work in OB

stuck oyster Oct 21, 2017, 1:38 PM

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i would recommend getting FHW arma blender toolbox as you dont need OB much after that

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its a free addon

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that exports p3d and .rtm directly from Blender

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and its possible to set up pretty much whole model in Blender with it

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but in OB there is a named properties tab

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you open geometry LOD and put add necessary naemd properties into it

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Named_Properties#dammage_or_damage_for_ArmA

broken abyss Oct 21, 2017, 1:48 PM

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ok so property name is damage and value is no?

stuck oyster Oct 21, 2017, 1:50 PM

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yes

broken abyss Oct 21, 2017, 1:50 PM

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Ok, thanks for the help!

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❤

stuck oyster Oct 21, 2017, 1:56 PM

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👍

jaunty leaf Oct 21, 2017, 3:52 PM

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So I made a stock for the M20 using a spline

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https://a.pomf.cat/ezuvfz.png

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It looks good

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But does anyone know how to make the portion of the stock that's bent over to the right straight on the flat?

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It's kinda bent

white jay Oct 21, 2017, 4:07 PM

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can u highlight which part exactly?

jaunty leaf Oct 21, 2017, 4:08 PM

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https://a.pomf.cat/bseyvu.png

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That whole area

white jay Oct 21, 2017, 4:09 PM

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and u want it alligned along that top tube?

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kinda describing it since i dont see your axis, but why not just select a vertice thats alligned. select the rest of the left side of that bended thingy and scale to 0

jaunty leaf Oct 21, 2017, 4:12 PM

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https://a.pomf.cat/pncmec.png

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You can see the "roll" of the frame off to the right

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You can see on this that the wire strip bit is flat https://a.pomf.cat/ztoycf.png

quick terrace Oct 21, 2017, 5:08 PM

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@jaunty leaf what sort of website is that, my chrome spills errors for it

jaunty leaf Oct 21, 2017, 5:09 PM

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It's a filehost like pomf.se

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Using it to host images through sharex

quick terrace Oct 21, 2017, 5:09 PM

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https://i.gyazo.com/53f4b09446b6f83bd5d50a45b6d2dc57.png

jaunty leaf Oct 21, 2017, 5:09 PM

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I'll try with a different host

tacit karma Oct 21, 2017, 5:09 PM

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imgur

jaunty leaf Oct 21, 2017, 5:10 PM

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I don't like using imgur because the pictures are compressed

quick terrace Oct 21, 2017, 5:10 PM

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gyazo...even safari turns a warning about this pomf shit

tacit karma Oct 21, 2017, 5:10 PM

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no one cares about compression in those instances lol

jaunty leaf Oct 21, 2017, 5:10 PM

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True

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https://i.imgur.com/sUP8mTO.png

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That's my ref for the stock

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or one of them at least

quick terrace Oct 21, 2017, 5:12 PM

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and what you wanna do?

jaunty leaf Oct 21, 2017, 5:12 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/kniIpuS.png

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I made the stock thing using a spline

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But as you can see, the stock is kinda rolling off to the right

quick terrace Oct 21, 2017, 5:12 PM

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what software? max?

jaunty leaf Oct 21, 2017, 5:12 PM

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yeah

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2017

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I wanna make it flat

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So it's true to IRL

quick terrace Oct 21, 2017, 5:13 PM

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ok so it spline then what? sweep?

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or just made it to 3d from spline controls?

jaunty leaf Oct 21, 2017, 5:13 PM

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render in the spline setting

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https://i.imgur.com/XJRV4jo.png

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Not a poly yet

quick terrace Oct 21, 2017, 5:14 PM

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whatever

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and you would want it to bank about correct?

jaunty leaf Oct 21, 2017, 5:14 PM

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yeah

quick terrace Oct 21, 2017, 5:14 PM

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as in behave like a strip

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too lazy to fire up max

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but sweep has a banking setting

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so does loft IRC

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otherwise just make a single faced mesh, edit poly, manul edit the curve, then shell it

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in any case, you need more geometry around that end

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on the spline

jaunty leaf Oct 21, 2017, 5:16 PM

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Okay

quick terrace Oct 21, 2017, 5:16 PM

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chamfering it might work as well

white jay Oct 21, 2017, 6:16 PM

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@twin urchin @carmine gull https://i.imgur.com/MkL43kw.png

twin urchin Oct 21, 2017, 6:17 PM

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nice

white jay Oct 21, 2017, 6:18 PM

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aint for arma tho to be hoenst. i aim for enfusion, VR and a whole lot functions

carmine gull Oct 21, 2017, 6:20 PM

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@white jay You said "Enfusion" I say "keep an eye on DayZ then"... although recently a dev suggested that they're at least for now sticking to P3D instead of just going plain ol' FBX

white jay Oct 21, 2017, 6:22 PM

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yeah i have just bad memories with real virtuality. wont go in detail cause i may look like a twat, but im just not a good coder and sqf made it almost impossible for me to create anything in there. i was just put off from the game as a whole later on. so dayzs engine is my hope for rescue in regards to arma.

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me and bakerman tried to develop armor protection systems for arma. the result was we gave up later on and just merged our data into rhs without aps as a whole. they just took the armor values and such

vernal lynx Oct 21, 2017, 8:13 PM

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https://www.twitch.tv/el_tyranos
blender / zbrush and substance painter work

ebon abyss Oct 21, 2017, 8:17 PM

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480p best source? yeah no thanks.

vernal lynx Oct 21, 2017, 8:28 PM

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shitty upload speed ¯_(ツ)_/¯

swift saddle Oct 22, 2017, 11:05 AM

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anyone an idea how to fix this? https://i.imgur.com/QHeVUGC.jpg https://i.imgur.com/noTumNK.png

outer condor Oct 22, 2017, 11:07 AM

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what relevance does model (point) mass (in geo LOD) have these days for vegetation? and is it normal to have it evenly distribution among (all?) points?

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back in ofp it was responsible for stopping power vs vehicles for example - this seems determined now by armor=4712 geo LOD property

polar fiber Oct 22, 2017, 11:25 AM

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UV map the car properly instead of just doing planar projections

quick terrace Oct 22, 2017, 1:51 PM

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@swift saddle yeah, make your own car, stop using other people 3d models

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how about that

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@polar fiber that is not a fix 😃

swift saddle Oct 22, 2017, 1:54 PM

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wtf? Yes that is a 3d model from other people, but they are free to use O.o

quick terrace Oct 22, 2017, 1:54 PM

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i'm sure it is yes, just like all the other stuff one encounters in certain gamemods i will not name

velvet fractal Oct 22, 2017, 2:59 PM

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How to fix shadows?

https://i.imgur.com/Exj9tzG.png

tacit karma Oct 22, 2017, 3:04 PM

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its normals

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select all, press shift E change to impedance angle, click apply, press ok, press f5

twin urchin Oct 22, 2017, 3:12 PM

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you could sharp edge those windows

white jay Oct 22, 2017, 3:19 PM

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looks more like he used boolean and got ngons, double vertices and stuff

solemn crane Oct 22, 2017, 3:27 PM

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Guys! How many building poses is maximum in the building model?

stuck oyster Oct 22, 2017, 3:28 PM

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what do you mean with building poses?

solemn crane Oct 22, 2017, 3:29 PM

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Positions for AI

stuck oyster Oct 22, 2017, 3:32 PM

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Good question. Dont think I've ever heard if there is a maximum

solemn crane Oct 22, 2017, 3:32 PM

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So I do

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Really actual question for me 😃

stuck oyster Oct 22, 2017, 3:33 PM

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you may just need to try 😄

solemn crane Oct 22, 2017, 3:33 PM

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I have no choise 😃

stuck oyster Oct 22, 2017, 3:33 PM

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how many are you planning?

solemn crane Oct 22, 2017, 3:37 PM

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Maybe 150

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or 300 maximum

stuck oyster Oct 22, 2017, 3:40 PM

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well let us know if it works!!

solemn crane Oct 22, 2017, 3:45 PM

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Ok!

vernal lynx Oct 22, 2017, 4:30 PM

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@velvet fractal use Edge Split Modifier in blender (I usually apply 60° angle)

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changing faces shading will helpt too (Shading / UV tab in edit mode on blender)

velvet fractal Oct 22, 2017, 5:48 PM

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big thanks all, it work

charred bolt Oct 22, 2017, 10:59 PM

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I'm making an APC with a large opening top hatch and troops seated inside. I want them to get injured if a grenade is thrown in from above.
Geo PhysX allows the grenade inside ok.
Fire Geometry is hollow, with animated hatch component, and cargo proxies present.
Cargo don't take any damage unless I set crewExplosionProtection to a low value, but then a grenade on the outside equally kills them.
What have I missed?

stuck oyster Oct 22, 2017, 11:01 PM

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Arma damage system not supporting that kind of setup

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if theyre not turned out then I would say the engine treats them as being inside

charred bolt Oct 22, 2017, 11:01 PM

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I was afraid you'd say that. sad face

stuck oyster Oct 22, 2017, 11:02 PM

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you could make hitpoints in there and do stuff when they are hit with a grenade

charred bolt Oct 22, 2017, 11:02 PM

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Yes, I suppose so.

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Are you fairly sure it's an engine limitation? I must admit I can't think of any examples.

stuck oyster Oct 22, 2017, 11:04 PM

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well its a hunch

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the passengers are turned in so they are treated as such

charred bolt Oct 22, 2017, 11:05 PM

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I think you're probably right.

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What happens on open door helicopters?

stuck oyster Oct 22, 2017, 11:06 PM

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with grenades probably the same

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since explosive damage simulation is pretty simple

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have you tried shooting the passengers with bullets and if they react to that

charred bolt Oct 22, 2017, 11:07 PM

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they die

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removing the fire geometry around a passenger exposes them to ballistics, but apparently not grenades

stuck oyster Oct 22, 2017, 11:09 PM

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yeah explosive damage is like that

charred bolt Oct 22, 2017, 11:12 PM

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tried throwing a grenade into the back of an covered HEMTT - it just bounces off an invisible wall where the opening should be

stuck oyster Oct 22, 2017, 11:23 PM

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not too accurate hitbox

vernal lynx Oct 23, 2017, 5:15 AM

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Grenades bounce on geometry lod not geometry physx

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So it's feasible to have a low detailled hole, but certainly not hatches simulation

rough idol Oct 23, 2017, 7:39 AM

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@outer condor mass is still used for physx collisions - Max(GetMass()*GetArmor()*0.5f, GetMass()9.8f2.0f);

outer condor Oct 23, 2017, 7:47 AM

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@rough idol cheers 👍 does the getArmor refer to the armor in geo lod property? we found this property to influence it (too)

rough idol Oct 23, 2017, 7:47 AM

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yes, it's exactly dependent on armor value in geo lod

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it's also used for deciding whether vehicle should roll over thing or just crush it

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I've tweaked it on bushes because otherwise you could drive on their geometry without breaking them

outer condor Oct 23, 2017, 7:53 AM

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tweaked it
to be released by the next A3 patch or already available?
like A3 plants in general seems not tweaked to latest standards vs APEX vegetation

rough idol Oct 23, 2017, 8:10 AM

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some of them available on devbranch

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was doing mainly altis/startis vegetation

outer condor Oct 23, 2017, 8:15 AM

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cheers

quick terrace Oct 23, 2017, 8:17 AM

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@vernal lynx use Edge Split Modifier in blender (I usually apply 60° angle)
doesn't that physically split the mesh along these edges?

vernal lynx Oct 23, 2017, 9:17 AM

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If you don't apply it's still exported. Otherwise yes

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Anyway I mostly do it manually for final export.

charred bolt Oct 23, 2017, 10:28 AM

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"El Tyranos: Grenades bounce on geometry lod not geometry physx"
No they don't. I left my geometry LOD solid, hollowed out the geometry physx, and the grenade went inside.

wraith tendon Oct 23, 2017, 10:39 AM

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Was there a FireGeo?

charred bolt Oct 23, 2017, 10:40 AM

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Yes "Fire Geometry is hollow, with animated hatch component, and cargo proxies present."

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/LOD#Geometry_Phys
quote "NOTE: Grenades are currently PhysX objects, that means they do use this LOD instead of Fire Geometry. "

vernal lynx Oct 23, 2017, 10:59 AM

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I was outdated 😄

woeful viper Oct 23, 2017, 5:08 PM

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@vernal lynx please report at your nearest recycling station for dissassembly

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as you have served us well, your serialnumber will be written into the memorybank of fame.

vernal lynx Oct 23, 2017, 5:25 PM

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🤖 💀

pure whale Oct 23, 2017, 5:47 PM

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does anybody know or is on the cup team know if they did anything special to the p3ds of buildings ect

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i plan to take some structures from the sample files and leave the paths as ca and not port the textures to reduce download speed and my mod is dependant on cup core

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im guessing they didnt change or leave anything out like penetration or anything?

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or converted everything to a3 paths

outer condor Oct 23, 2017, 6:02 PM

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@pure whale why not ask them directly

pure whale Oct 23, 2017, 6:03 PM

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ive got no clue who works on cup lol

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specifically map stuff

outer condor Oct 23, 2017, 6:03 PM

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https://discord.gg/HWxwzA

pure whale Oct 23, 2017, 6:04 PM

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ty

bleak tangle Oct 23, 2017, 6:34 PM

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One of the goals of CUP terrains is to provide backwards compatibility with A1 and A2 content. Which means all of the paths that were valid in those games should be valid while using CUP. Some buildings that have been updated might be using the A3 penetration materials, but regardless the old penetration materials they previously used should still exist.

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The A2 penetration materials might have also been updated to have similar values to those used in A3

pure whale Oct 23, 2017, 6:54 PM

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yea i was just wondering mainly because im a lazy shit and didnt want to change to all the a3 stuff lol

jaunty leaf Oct 23, 2017, 7:47 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/zMEvB2U.png

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progress

white jay Oct 23, 2017, 8:59 PM

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Quick question, anyone know the height of the player models? I'm porting some buildings and I need to scale them properly so the size isn't out of whack.

cinder pivot Oct 23, 2017, 9:04 PM

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1.81m

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You can also export the a3 samples man for an aprox height

white jay Oct 23, 2017, 9:09 PM

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Ah awesome, thanks.

stuck oyster Oct 23, 2017, 9:10 PM

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I think there is a Biki page about Arma dimensions too for crouching and prone passable heights too

white jay Oct 23, 2017, 9:11 PM

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Im using blender, I already have the arma 3 toolbox so I'm just assuming I import the samples man the same way i would import the buildng?

lapis goblet Oct 23, 2017, 9:11 PM

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hi everyone, i’m not good with OB and I have a simple stupid question. The issue is that I’d like to retexture an a3 model that does not have hidden selections. Is it possible in any way to include it as proxy in a new model and the retexture the proxy from there?

stuck oyster Oct 23, 2017, 9:14 PM

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unfortunately no

white jay Oct 23, 2017, 9:18 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/1DbTx

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figured you guys would get a good laugh

lapis goblet Oct 23, 2017, 9:20 PM

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damn

stuck oyster Oct 23, 2017, 9:20 PM

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oh your making child characters! 😜

white jay Oct 23, 2017, 9:21 PM

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Army Men:Sarges Heroes full conversion

outer condor Oct 24, 2017, 4:14 AM

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@_SCAR#3876 just replace the texture with moveObject

broken abyss Oct 24, 2017, 11:35 PM

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Anybody know of a tutorial for making tanks?

vernal lynx Oct 25, 2017, 5:46 AM

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https://youtu.be/TJhOk5DGGK4

outer condor Oct 25, 2017, 5:53 AM

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^
Import a weapon into ArmA 3 - Complete process tutorial

broken abyss Oct 25, 2017, 9:49 AM

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Thanks my dude

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Really helpfull

hybrid solar Oct 25, 2017, 4:16 PM

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Hi all. I'm having problems for a long time with animating a fireladder, I've been trying for months but I don't know why the Geometry Lod is not animating... Does anyone have an idea of what can be wrong? I leave here the forum topic. https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/202504-geometry-lod-not-being-animated-collision-not-working/

stuck oyster Oct 25, 2017, 4:19 PM

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geometry that is animated beyond the models orginal boundaries wont work

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so you will either need to place someting like memory points bi further than the ladder goes or model the ladder in the extended position

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also you will need to animate the roadways so player models can walk on it

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ok read your topic a bit more. seems youve done all but extending the original boundaries of the model

hybrid solar Oct 25, 2017, 4:27 PM

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I added some vertex on the visual lod 0.00 so you can see it further

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Do I need to add some memory points also?

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Or would be easier to make the model with the extended ladder and then make it retract via AnimationSource?

stuck oyster Oct 25, 2017, 4:27 PM

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no any point in any lod should extend the boundary

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I've usually put them in memorylod

hybrid solar Oct 25, 2017, 4:29 PM

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I have seen other models work So I don't know why mine is not working

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Even the problem is happening with the things that take the ladder up, I can't remember the english name, the supports?

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When they extend left and right, you can go throught their geometry with the player... but the truck is moving up because of the animation working

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That's what's driving me crazy

stuck oyster Oct 25, 2017, 4:32 PM

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well you could then try having them all extended

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and pull them back on init

hybrid solar Oct 25, 2017, 4:32 PM

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I'll try that and see how it works. Thanks!

stuck oyster Oct 25, 2017, 4:37 PM

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oh hey

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is that pic on the forum post your geometry?

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@hybrid solar

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because you will need to hollow it out if its already not

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as in the character is in the geometry box

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you will need the walls and floor there

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so roadway works properly

hybrid solar Oct 25, 2017, 5:00 PM

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@stuck oyster It was just for testing purposes

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I did it first hollow but it did not work so I started trying with simple boxes to see if it works

stuck oyster Oct 25, 2017, 5:01 PM

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the roadway should always be a bit above the geometry surface

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so hollow it out again too

static fulcrum Oct 25, 2017, 8:10 PM

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@hybrid solar since I made an directrix myself couple of days ago - there are multiple ways of doing it - the easiest would be declaring the ladder as an turret and making an animation for extending the ladder. Simple translation (put the memory points within the tower selection)

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Also what i did was making an huge square which Unhides itself as Soon as im working with the ladder - so that geometry/lod0/roadway are completely loaded

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If you need screenshots or anything just tell me

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Firetruck* BTW not directrix 😄

lapis goblet Oct 25, 2017, 9:09 PM

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Hello all! I’ve got a model from A2 (maybe A1) that has very low res textures. I’ve improved the textures and changed everything to retexture it. It looks nice now. However, there is no mlod.paa

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So I’m obviously afraid of the performance impact: I’ve raised resolution at least x4 (for ex from 512 to 2048px sizes)

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The model has various LODS

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I am very new to model making, can someone point me to how to add a mlod texture? at which level should I use it? there are 0.500, 1.000, 3.500, 7.000 and 20.000 levels

woeful viper Oct 25, 2017, 9:15 PM

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mlod texture? wat?

lapis goblet Oct 25, 2017, 9:17 PM

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the single *_mlod.paa texture that contains all of the model textures as viewed from distance

stuck oyster Oct 25, 2017, 9:21 PM

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dont think such are in use

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anymore at least

lapis goblet Oct 25, 2017, 9:22 PM

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I don’t mean the p3d format

stuck oyster Oct 25, 2017, 9:22 PM

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what model is it

lapis goblet Oct 25, 2017, 9:22 PM

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all A3 houses have these *_mlod_co.paa files

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hold on

stuck oyster Oct 25, 2017, 9:23 PM

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aa ok

lapis goblet Oct 25, 2017, 9:24 PM

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Sara_domek_sedy.p3d

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this one does not have it

stuck oyster Oct 25, 2017, 9:24 PM

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so it seems A3 structures have low poly textures baked into mlod.paa

lapis goblet Oct 25, 2017, 9:24 PM

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I don't know how to call them

stuck oyster Oct 25, 2017, 9:24 PM

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probaby for the lower poly lods

lapis goblet Oct 25, 2017, 9:25 PM

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basically they are the textures that are seen from a certain distance when the lower poly mods are used

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YES

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but this model is probably from A1

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and it doesn't have it

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so even for low poly models they use the full sized textures

stuck oyster Oct 25, 2017, 9:25 PM

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aand you probably wont get one very easily as the A3 ones are most likely baked from highpoly version of the house

lapis goblet Oct 25, 2017, 9:25 PM

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but now that I've replaced them with hi-res ones, that might impact too much

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I've redone everything anyways

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so I've got custom textures

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point is, how do I create this mlod file?

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I go in the level 7.00 and use UV map?

stuck oyster Oct 25, 2017, 9:31 PM

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the textures should mipmap well enough

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you would most likely have to paint it by hand or somehow project from the 1st res lod

lapis goblet Oct 25, 2017, 9:31 PM

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so I don't need to do anything?

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sorry this is really new for me

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I need to export the UV from 1st res lod?

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I can't find any tutorial on this

stuck oyster Oct 25, 2017, 9:35 PM

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well you are going about it a bit wrong way so its more difficult

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as in trying to improve existing model that already is built in certain way

lapis goblet Oct 25, 2017, 9:36 PM

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oh

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I mean, how would you build it the right way

stuck oyster Oct 25, 2017, 9:37 PM

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well I would just keep it as it has been

lapis goblet Oct 25, 2017, 9:37 PM

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I just need to change the textures for lod 7.000 and 20.000

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ok and no worries about performance impact?

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I don't know how much textures have an impact in comparison to poly

stuck oyster Oct 25, 2017, 9:38 PM

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I suppose textures may have more impact these days, especially when therse a lot of them

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but I would think you dont have to worry about such

lapis goblet Oct 25, 2017, 9:41 PM

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ok at 20.000 only 1 texture is loaded

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at 7.000 though it still loads a shitload of them

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but I got your point

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thank you HG

stuck oyster Oct 25, 2017, 9:45 PM

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they mipmap so its not so much of a strain

lapis goblet Oct 25, 2017, 9:46 PM

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at 20 yes

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at 7, no

stuck oyster Oct 25, 2017, 9:48 PM

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what do you mean?

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 8:24 AM

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at 20.000 indeed there are only 2 textures

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at 7.000 there are all the textures

hybrid solar Oct 26, 2017, 10:32 AM

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@static fulcrum Thanks for the heads up. I move it by animations and keys instead of a turrent. I get more precision with keys than with the mouse for such a big crane. I cannot get the point of the huge square that unhides... Can you give me some more tips about that?

stuck oyster Oct 26, 2017, 10:47 AM

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I would assume its the same as placing the memorypoints

static fulcrum Oct 26, 2017, 11:32 AM

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@hybrid solar ye I’m using keys too ^^ - but I didn’t know how good you’re scripting skills are. PM me then I’ll send you screenshots as soon as I’m at home

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 12:01 PM

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hello makers! i have a model that follows the ground by default, but I’d like it to be sea oriented by default. Anyone know which property do I have to set & where?

white jay Oct 26, 2017, 12:02 PM

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follows the ground in height or like walls and fances bent by it?

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 12:11 PM

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it bends

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it does have appropriate contact points

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but is orients following terrain if i move it around

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i’d like it to stay “vertical” to the sea

stuck oyster Oct 26, 2017, 12:12 PM

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in TB or Eden?

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 12:12 PM

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eden

stuck oyster Oct 26, 2017, 12:12 PM

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theres snap to surface thingy in there

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 12:12 PM

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yes

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but by default the a3 houses have the behaviour i’d like.

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this one follows ground

stuck oyster Oct 26, 2017, 12:13 PM

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what kind of object is it?

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 12:13 PM

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house

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from a2 samples (or a1, can’t remember)

stuck oyster Oct 26, 2017, 12:14 PM

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ah yeaht that one!

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 12:14 PM

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lol

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Sara_domek_sedy.p3d

stuck oyster Oct 26, 2017, 12:14 PM

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does your config inheritance match A3 houses?

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 12:15 PM

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yes

stuck oyster Oct 26, 2017, 12:15 PM

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and what named properties you got in geometry lod

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 12:15 PM

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nothin much

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why?

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just a door

stuck oyster Oct 26, 2017, 12:16 PM

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oh not named selections

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but named properties

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its a different tab

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 12:16 PM

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ah

stuck oyster Oct 26, 2017, 12:16 PM

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may not be open by default

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 12:16 PM

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sorry don’t know my pc is offline now

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is there where i need to look at?

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geometry properties?

stuck oyster Oct 26, 2017, 12:17 PM

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geometry LOD and named properties box

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 12:17 PM

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ok

stuck oyster Oct 26, 2017, 12:17 PM

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its same kind that named selections

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 12:18 PM

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and in there anything specific? the BI website has been down for maintenance for 3 days

stuck oyster Oct 26, 2017, 12:18 PM

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can be toggled in the top bar window menu

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 12:18 PM

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and can’t get this info

stuck oyster Oct 26, 2017, 12:18 PM

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does it have anything there by default?

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 12:18 PM

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pc offline

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so it’s a property that i need to set in there?

bold flare Oct 26, 2017, 12:19 PM

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BI website is up for me 😮

stuck oyster Oct 26, 2017, 12:19 PM

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not sure but could be. Dont know how Eden is made to detect that stuff

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 12:20 PM

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this what i see... https://data.bistudio.com/maintenance/index.html

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oh ok

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thank you HG

bold flare Oct 26, 2017, 12:20 PM

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https://www.bistudio.com/ This is what I see

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looks normal

stuck oyster Oct 26, 2017, 12:20 PM

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@bold flare BIKI?

bold flare Oct 26, 2017, 12:20 PM

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He said BI website tho

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 12:20 PM

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yes biki

stuck oyster Oct 26, 2017, 12:20 PM

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well

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 12:20 PM

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you’re right dedmen, i was talking about biki.

bold flare Oct 26, 2017, 12:21 PM

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still useable via archive.org or google cache

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 12:21 PM

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sure.

stuck oyster Oct 26, 2017, 12:22 PM

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Named_Properties#map

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unfortunately it does not seem to contain the slope/contact properties

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https://resources.bisimulations.com/wiki/Models#Placement

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these may be valid

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but then again those are for sloping placement

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it might be its because you have the land contact points there

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 12:30 PM

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oh ok nice

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thank yoi will look into those.

white jay Oct 26, 2017, 12:31 PM

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placement=slope or slopeLandContact

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but they only work in buldozer

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there is a config property for eden that should be something along the linse of "keepHorizontalPlacement"

stuck oyster Oct 26, 2017, 12:33 PM

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Ah! Good to know.

white jay Oct 26, 2017, 12:36 PM

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keepHorizontalPlacement = 1;

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 1:16 PM

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oooh great!

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all of this in named properties?

stuck oyster Oct 26, 2017, 1:17 PM

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no that would be config attribute

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 1:27 PM

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oh ok

white jay Oct 26, 2017, 1:28 PM

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but those are completly diffrent things

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one actually bends the verts in the model to conform to the terrain the other just places the object with a upVector = terrainNormal

stuck oyster Oct 26, 2017, 1:29 PM

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the issue is with Eden now so the keepHorizontalPlacement would be likely solution for that

white jay Oct 26, 2017, 1:32 PM

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👍

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 1:34 PM

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yes.

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great guys, thank you.

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now, about #ponds and #volumetricFog....

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😛

white jay Oct 26, 2017, 1:39 PM

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ptsd kicks in

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 1:43 PM

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eheh

outer condor Oct 26, 2017, 2:37 PM

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@lapis goblet we have the same problem with low LODs and special texture atm

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our approach is to take a screenshot of front, left side and top down view in O2, and use these as base for the low LOD texture

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El Tyranos - Today at 7:25 PM
you must change to direct X too and activate faces render
you also have to set the path to P in OB parameters
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198720524627607552/372435804699754498/unknown.png

El Tyranos - Today at 8:01 PM
try to move it with pin button (to hide the cursor)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198720524627607552/372444659605045258/unknown.png

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 2:42 PM

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oh

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thanks

vernal lynx Oct 26, 2017, 3:27 PM

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dont forget to set a super green background colour 😄

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 3:52 PM

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😃

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ok a long shot here

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very long shot

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is there SOMEWHERE a property in a .p3d file that allows to set a PREFIX to all of the paths in the model and included proxies.

stuck oyster Oct 26, 2017, 4:01 PM

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would say no

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why?

white jay Oct 26, 2017, 4:05 PM

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no, what you describe is a PBOPREFIX

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 4:28 PM

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which has different usage though.

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ok, as I said: veeeeey long shot.

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the idea:

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put an A3 house as a proxy into a p3d, set a prefix and i could retexture.

lapis goblet Oct 26, 2017, 5:35 PM

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ok still poking stuff: does anyone know what is the effect of the land_xx behavior on the proxies contained in the xx model?

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i mean when the xx model gets damaged

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can the proxies textures be modified using tex[] of the Damage class?

stuck oyster Oct 26, 2017, 5:37 PM

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I dont think it can