#arma3_model
woeful viper
formal vapor
I didn't make that if that's what you're thinking. That's a real musket, but I'm going to make something similar to it. It actually has very complex geometry, such as the cock, frizzen and stock.
woeful viper
"I didn't make that if that's what you're thinking." i'm not a moron, Tim
the lock an stuff is freeform, so its not easy to model. But it doesnt need that much polygons. And the rest (barrel and stock) are almost featureless and smooth.
formal vapor
"i'm not a moron, Tim" or I'm way too cocky lol I was just confused that's all. Hopefully I can make it look that good though ๐ฌ
sacred grail
Just wonedering what kind of benefit making a HP model brings to the table. I understand it makes for better baking but is it really worth the effort?
I havent really experimented with turbo smooth a huge amount and kind of want to learn the waysthe ways of edge looping and turbo smooth. But don't know if i would just be wasting my time.
polar fiber
It's definitely worth it
For hard-surface there's a kind of low-effort workflow using booleans and then zBrush dynamesh and polish to smooth edges
twin urchin
it is worth it , because you mainly gain those smooth edges which with basic low poly you wont get
and benefit of doing HP is that you can do all the detail that you want and then baking it into LP
which would be really hard to do with low poly , possible but very hard
try using quad chamfer method which is quite effective
polar fiber
You also get some time paid back when it comes to texturing in software like SP2 and Quixel if you have nicely baked normals and curvature
sacred grail
@twin urchin I see, Don't suppose you could elaborate a bit on the quad chamfer method a bit?
Ah nver mind
I though it was actually a modifier in and of itself but no its just an option in the standard chamfer.
twin urchin
there is a plugin for Max also but that is paid does much better work
sacred grail
yeah just played around with quad chamfer and it it only works well on smoothing really sharp edges
on things such as low poly circles for example where there is a large distance between each segment it doesnt really work as well
whats the name of that plugin?
sacred grail
ty
yeah just realised its a lot better when you start playing with smoothing groups
twin urchin
also if you want more info how to model those things - see this channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCx6FRkGCUg3NXut5qGOdgYg
sacred grail
yeah i have followed his tutorials in the past ๐
im pretty confident with modeling at least in low poly. I have just never dabbled in the high poly side of things.
seems to be a beast of its own
twin urchin
yes , while it involves more work but at same time you get the best quality out of it
sacred grail
yeah, certianly worth learning
dark flint
tacit shard
Hey, so I've have been told the fix for this before I believe but can't remember it for the life of me. Basically in my model when looking through a transparent texture (e.g. the window) part of the model will go invisble but its not all of it.
https://gyazo.com/792dd9527164c6db88f4e54c4c81610c (you can see the textures of the right but I can provide the actual files if needed)
The windows are boxes not two planes btw
formal vapor
I have one texture and one .rvmat for a weapon totaling one section. I change two objects's .rvmat and the section count jumps up to 13! Any suggestion gents?
polar fiber
that happens - OB is not good at rebuilding the model in to matching sections if they get split up. The count should go back down though if you do the usual section count dances like cut the whole model and paste back in to refresh the sort order, or select faces by like sections in the resource library and move bottom
formal vapor
I saved, exited, opened the file back up...now my section count is 455.
hollow fulcrum
Welcome to OB.
formal vapor
da faq arma?
hollow fulcrum
Granted O2 did the same thing. I deal with it by simply copying things into a new/clean .p3d. fairly trivial as i keep a set of template p3d's hanging around (all the lods and whatnot setup clean)
formal vapor
oh, now the bitch wants to work...now it's down to 2 sections where it's suppose to be.
lets see what surprise we get next...
hollow fulcrum
@tacit shard alpha sorting maybe?
tacit shard
Is there any way to tell if it is that? The rest of the model isn't transparent but is on the same texture map as the transparent windows
hollow fulcrum
ermm.. it can be interesting with lots of alpha foo. try selecting that object/those faces and Faces > Sort Alpha
can also select it all and do that. i honestly dont recall at the moment how it does things. not likely to dick it up further though.
hollow fulcrum
๐
tacit shard
Selecting all and sorting alpha worked thanks ๐
hollow fulcrum
sweet
cinder pivot
yea I have a vehicle that got up to 900~ selections
somehow
gotta redo that crap ๐ฆ
formal vapor
i deleted my weapons and hit ctrl z and it went down to 2
tacit shard
Hey, so for now that I fixed the last issue I found a new one, I've seen this issue before and from what i recall moving the faces to the top fixed this however that did not work this time (I tried both the glass and the metal frame) I know its not an RVMAT error as I removed both the rvmats (one for the glass one for the metal) and that did not fix it, however removing the CA texture did (despite the fact that the metal bars are on the CO texture and not the CA) I don't suppose anyone has any suggestions? (There is currently no shadow lod but it does cast one from the GEO lod I believe)
hollow fulcrum
ermmm...
tacit shard
Yer it confused me as I've had the issue before but moving to top fixed it last time
tacit shard
what do you mean by hanging around? as in possibly in the co file?
hollow fulcrum
aye
tacit shard
Tex view shows the alpha channel as pure white in the CO file so I don't believe so
and it shows the correct alphas in the CA (pure white on metal and black on the glass)
Those are the co and ca files (source and paa) if that helps
hollow fulcrum
might be something different, not sure.
i'd look at yer files but im on the phone at the moment.
tacit shard
ah fair enough
It's wierd as its deffinetly down to the CA texture as removng that fixed it but since the metal bars dont even use that texture I really don't get what could be causing it
two things I do notice is that CO is using DXT1 in texview while CA is using DXT5 but I assume thats just because DXT5 is for transparency or something?
hollow fulcrum
ummm.. probably has to do with the depth of DXT5 vs DXT1. being 8bit vs. 1bit for alpha channel.
what do you mean by removing it?
tacit shard
sorry got a little distracted lol, as in un-assigning it from the windows by renaming it to blank in the mass texture rename tool in object builder
so the model doesn't have it refferenced anywhere in the p3d
tacit shard
typo in what?
hollow fulcrum
rvmat
tacit shard
I dont think so as I removed the rvmats as well (not at the same time as the ca) and the issue remained, but I didn't remove the rvmats when I removed the CA and it went
Im also using a different rvmat for the glass than the metal
tacit shard
https://pastebin.com/8iMvTTD0 glass rvmat
same textures (smdi nohq and as) but not same co texture (co and a ca)
https://pastebin.com/w4K2wWsB metal rvmat
hollow fulcrum
those look fine. it's probably something one of the other guys is familiar with, you've stumped me for now. ๐
tacit shard
fair enough lol, Ima head to bed and look at it again in the morning. Thanks for all the help though dude ๐
hollow fulcrum
aye, i'll be back at a machine tomorrow. sure you'll get it sorted.
tacit shard
Ok so Ive done a bit more testing and have actually discovered that its the AO thats showing through the model and not the actual mesh behind it. I will upload images in a seccond
white jay
iirc you need to separate alpha and non alpha textures
tacit shard
If you mean not having the metal on the CA map, they aren't Ive got a CO map for the metal and a CA for the windows
white jay
did you suffix them before converting to paa?
white jay
and 100% rebinarised the p3d?
tacit shard
I'm not sure actually. I use mikero's I dont know if that re-bins every pack (pro-edition)
white jay
since the faces inherit some property if they are applied with a co or a ca texture
pboPro should rebin if something changed, but to be sure delete your addon in P:\temp and tick full build
white jay
You can try to play around with renderflags like forceNoAlpha or how its called, but thats usually not needed at all
tacit shard
yer will have to see if that changes anything
polar fiber
add forceNotAlpha = 1 as a named property in the geometry LOD
Some models with much alpha textures on their surfaces were considered as alpha objects and therefore were rendered in a special pass where it was not possible to cast shadows on them. There is a new named property (in geometry LOD) using which you can force the whole model not to be considered as alpha model and shadows will be cast on it therefore. Negative impacts of such solution: various alpha sorting artifacts may appear on alpha blended parts of such models. It will depend on particular situations if the effects will be bearable or not. https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Oxygen_2_-_Manual#Geometry_.28model.29_named_property
open coral
hey all, I'm new here, and to Arma modeling, I'm trying to create a tank but am having an issue with the ballistics. When I lase a target and fire, the gun shoots considerably low, same if i dial in the range manually. I think it is an issue with my p3d file but the same error happens with the BI sample tank. If i change the config.cpp from my model to model = "\A3\armor_f_gamma\MBT_01\MBT_01_cannon_F" it works, leading me to further think it is a p3d error. Is there something that needs to be changed to accommodate the FCS Tanks update that dropped with the Jets DLC?
open coral
yes, the sample tank uses the base cannon_120mm. at this point i'm just trying to get the sample to run stably
polar fiber
Do you have a custom modeloptics scope view for it then? I'm wondering if it's just not aligned with the centre of the screen
open coral
good thought but no, just using the vanilla samples_f Test_Tank_01 which has standard optics (off when aiming in third person too) gunnerOpticsModel = "\A3\Weapons_F\Reticle\Optics_Gunner_MTB_02_w_F.p3d";
it is off by quite a several hundred meters when firing at 1km.
jaunty leaf
Will a model throw an error if it doesn't have a shadow LOD?
polar fiber
no, it'll try to generate one from the visual LODs. Which could look shit, or adversely affect performance
unless the visual LOD is pretty low poly too
polar fiber
it's not always bad though. Some things like buildings use "visualEx" named property to generate the shadowbuffer from the visual LODs anyway
lusty ginkgo
how can I enable using the insert key to create a point? I forget what I need to change. Just trying to make a memory point
polar fiber
Works either with the viewport selected and wherever you place the mouse cursor, or wherever you have the pin activate (with Shift+C)
lusty ginkgo
The hotkey for it doesn't do anything
hollow fulcrum
im not aware of any setting or anything. you do need to have focus on the view you are wanting to insert the point/vert into, but outside of that. you should only have to push 'insert' to do such.
perhaps your insert key is being special?
hollow fulcrum
reinstall it? that should return it to normal anyway. there is actually another file somewhere (i haven't kept up since all the new tools foo some time ago) for all other configuration options. don't recall that being there, but maybe.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
lusty ginkgo
is there a way to make dead trees not affect the envsound?
lusty ginkgo
Also is it possible to use custom memory points on custom models? I am trying to define my own, and I have all the entries in CfgEnvSpatialSounds, CfgSoundShaders, and CfgSoundSets, but I don't hear anything in game
strong plaza
I'm looking at the arma 1/2 sample buildings and I'm noticing a lot of them are missing fire/view geo lods, anyone know why that is?
hollow fulcrum
@strong plaza ermmm.. samples in general have historically been less than complete. to the best of my knowledge, those are needed. only thing that has changed worth noting is the shadowLod option like monkey mentioned a dozen lines up here.
white jay
@strong plaza afaik that wasn't a thing in A1, but the engine should use the geometry lod as fallback for these
probably mostly A1 stuff that got badly upgraded to A2 i guess
polar fiber
depending on the shape, they might not need a fire geo lod
you can apply penetration material .rvmats to the normal geometry LOD if you don't need a more complex and detailed geometry
maybe likewise for the view geometry if they're just using canOcclude
view geo is kind of for circumstances where you need an object to have collision from the geometry LOD, but maybe need to be able to see through parts of that collision object (like wire fences)
lusty ginkgo
I prefer my wire fences to have unnecessarily complex geometry
agile flint
Anyone familiar with Blender know why some of my bounding boxes are on the piss?
Specifically the hull and the turret are at strange angles, but in the actual 3d view of them they're perfectly fine
fringe wagon
is there no way of debinarizing the P3D files that come with the base game?
lusty ginkgo
no
fringe wagon
So if I want to edit the static vanilla submarine
im going to have to remake it in blender out of scratch?
lusty ginkgo
yes
fringe wagon
: ( that sucks
lusty ginkgo
or debinarize it illegally and redistribute it illegally and be illegal
fringe wagon
yeah no I'll just remake it
its a mild pain in the ass but whatever
I never got a chance to really dive to deep into OB so its a good experience to start from scratch again
jaunty leaf
You don't wanna model using OB
half heath
Anyone have experience with layoutUV in Maya?
Trying to pack the UV's while also preserving overlapped UV's
errant pumice
Hey guys! I finally got a permission from Berghoff to re-release African Foliage addon with updated tree models. Anyone willing to help me fix the shading issues and make trees more a3-like?
polar fiber
@half heath not possible from what I can gather
I usually end up splitting the duplicated/overlapped faces in to separate objects and doing layout without selecting those objects
then manually overlap them again with the point snap tool turned on
white jay
how to make proxies in object builder ?
pure whale
2nd button next to file add proxy
edit I think
make sure you remove p: from your proxies path
It should auto add it and that's no good
sharp halo
Hi everyone, I got a question. I have model of jet , with specified memor points for pointPosition and pointDirection, in config I got something like this: class RenderTargets
{
class mfdFlir
{
renderTarget="rendertarget0";
class CameraView1
{
pointPosition="flir_pos";
pointDirection="flir_dir";
renderQuality=2;
renderVisionMode=2;
fov=0.30000001;
};
};
};
But my camera PIP is stuck, I want it to move just like the TGP. What should I do?
polar fiber
Create\Proxy shouldn't create paths with P:\ in it if you have "path to textures" set up in Object Builder's options
warm trench
How do you setup hiddenSelectionsTextures for muzzle accessories? I'd thought that you're not supposed to make a model.cfg for muzzle accessories but have tried that too and don't seem to be able to get it to work.
polar fiber
hiddenSelectionsTextures doesn't work on attachments
you have to make separate .p3d files for each texture variant
warm trench
Ah - that would explain it! Many thanks.
lusty ginkgo
Why are polyplane LOD's so hard
I can never get them to look right
the texture part is easy
but the .rvmat?
formal vapor
Anybody know why a weapon would appear completely flat in game?
Completely flat in game on the y plane?
polar fiber
not an issue I've encountered before
unless the model's corrupted and missing Y coords after binarisation, I really don't know
formal vapor
no, it can't be the binarisation process because I binned a previous model and it showed up correct...so it has to be the model somehow
There's shouldn't be a poly limit...atleast nothing I can get close to
frank helm
Sorry to digress from the current convo, but does any one have any pointers on creating smoke trails from the back of a jet. My Hawk needs the red white and blue coloured smoke to plume on a user action. Initially I thought of scripting it using a particle effect from something like the rockets and attaching the source to the back of the jet, then changing the texture somehow.
yes it is a red arrow
lusty ginkgo
why can't you script it?
frank helm
because I don't know how to script. If anyone can give me a pointer or two that be great
sharp halo
Hello guys, is there a way to get a model.cfg out from vanilla stuff? For example AH99
sharp halo
How to extract model.cfg with that?
half heath
You extract the PBO, then you analyze the .p3d with eliteness
Open up eliteness, find the p3d. You will then have the option ot extract model.cfg
sharp halo
when I am trying to open the p3d file for this heli, I get an error:P3D: Unknown odol format
half heath
You're using the free version
Mikero doesn't update that
Or maybe he does, just not as often
Here's another option
sharp halo
oh that's why.So I have to purchase it then. I opened an example file, where is the model.cfg in that? I am sorry but I am new to p3d, I usually mod HUDs
that website on that forum doesnt work for me
sturdy parcel
heads up for people looking for Mikero's free toolset:
dev heaven ceases operation at end of this month.
free tools are now at:
https://armaservices.maverick-applications.com/Products/MikerosDosTools/default
excuse the advertising but i think it important
sharp halo
Anyone active?
sturdy parcel
burp
lusty ginkgo
still never told me how your name is pronounced
sturdy parcel
MikeRo
white jay
D: pls no
sturdy parcel
I opened an example file, where is the model.cfg in that?
only around 7% of models require animating. hence, for the majority of samples there simply isn't one to be had.
the 'model.cfg' for binarised p3d's is baked into that p3d.
unbinarised p3ds have an adjacent 'model.cfg' next to them.
for the latter, that file is generally called NameOfP3d. cfg
same rule for unbinarised rtm files.
tacit shard
Is it possible to change rvmats with hidden selections?
lusty ginkgo
yes
but you shouldn't
if you can avoid it
hiddenSelectionsMaterials has some issues
wind belfry
any idea why my backpack is on the feet of soldier and not at where it is supposed to be?
stuck oyster
not weighted right (usually whole backpack on spine3), not listed in the model.cfg with man skeleton, no autocenter=0 named property in geometry lod
come to mind
wind belfry
well, it all comes down to weighting the object then
is there a guide to do that or is it just so simple i can't find it anywhere?
stuck oyster
fi you do it in Object Builder all you need to do is select all of the object and make a named selection called spine3
Blender has a addon that allows you to export full p3ds
from other modeling software Im not sure
wind belfry
could the selection be whole backpack model or should i just pick a part of it?
im in ob
stuck oyster
for backpacks id say whole model needs just the one selection
unless its a larger pack thats also strapped on from the waist and should follow the arch of the back more
stuck oyster
๐
wind belfry
okay... so wtf
how is the texture in game diffrent from in ob?
or the uv map
how can that happen...?
wind belfry
stuck oyster
do you have multiple uvsets ?
wind belfry
nope
but i think i found out the reason...
the texture on the in game version is the same which i inherited the configs from
so it should include texture="...";
which overrides the texture set in ob
but not sure though
jaunty leaf
That looks like the field pack texture from A3 so probably
Get rid of the hiddenselection entries?
jaunty leaf
np
flat flare
Must tank tracks on a model be perfectly straight to animate smoothly?
For example, would these tracks work? https://gyazo.com/ab1ee2fd5a2a825a1ba600d8c5ecf44e
stuck oyster
yes those should work
you just need to unwrap them properly for the animated texture to work
stuck oyster
Dont think so
twin urchin
if you mean CfgMagazines then no , but as a model you can setup a specific part to able to use hiddenslections BUT thats only with custom own model
sturdy forge
quick question pls
i dont understand much in modelling but I have a weapon and an anim for it
p3d and rtm
I need to adjust the hold anim a bit (literally translate with a value on X axis because the hand is too close to the shoulder)
is there a quick way to do it?
white jay
i think you need to move the weapon bone forward in the rtm, but thats only from hearsaying...
never dealt with rtms
sturdy forge
yeah I scratched that weapon anyway, is of bad quality. Thank you tho!
woeful viper
@flat flare no they dont need to be straight. They are not animated anyway. The UV just "scrolls" along the texture basically.
Of course too rough bends make it obvious when looking at the track from the side, and the seam should be as perfect as possible (making UV of entire track a multiple of 1.0 UV space). More important is the track texture itself. You can't influence the speed it is "scrolled". It is moved at a fixed multiplier to wheel rpm.
So depending on how many track links you have in your track texture and how the texel density on the model is dictates how fast it turns
i suggest to test with a dummy/placeholder texture as early as possible (black and white strips per track link) and experiment how much texel density and how many tracklinks you need for it to look ok
flat flare
Thats perfect @woeful viper , Thanks for the in depth explanation
woeful viper
there is a trackspeed modifier, but its broken. Float values result in skipping. Whole numbers (2; 3; ...) work but they are usually too fast - means you can only increase track speed, which is generally not the problem.
tacit shard
Ok thanks guys
frank helm
can anyone suggest why I am getting what looks like and is a better way to describe, deflating and inflating wheels. Not tires, Wheels. the whole wheel selection on the front and two rear wheels on my Hawk are spinning but decreasing and increasing in size as they go round. the faster they rotate the less it looks like that are changing size, but they flicker in and out.
charred bolt
Are the wheel selections 'attached' to anything else in the model? Check in the p3d that when you select the wheel, you can drag it away from the airframe without any vertex face stretching.
frank helm
they are separate selections
I think I might have overlooked something in the config?? I made a little find earlier, its just packed without errors so I'm about to find out what its done.
NOPE! that didn't work.
charred bolt
can you post a pic of what it looks like when it's broken?
charred bolt
ok
frank helm
when I start the mission, I then get a complete pair at the rear and a deflated front wheel
charred bolt
It looks like it's being scaled
and you can see it get bigger and smaller with engine rpm?
frank helm
yes
best way I can describe it is as if its being deflated and inflated.
rather annoyinh
charred bolt
I expect it will be an error in model.cfg with the bones / animations
frank helm
I think so, but I'm unsure where to find the solution in it.
charred bolt
has the strut/axle got bigger & smaller too, or just the wheel?
frank helm
just the wheel
charred bolt
I'd need to see the relevant parts of model.cfg and screenshot of the p3d memory LOD / LOD1 to help further
charred bolt
(taken to pm with Spooky)
polar fiber
might be the isDiscrete value of the skeleton. Have seen on weapons where some parts got scaled down under animation, and was related to that parameter
lusty ginkgo
nvg = night vision goggles
nvm = night vision monicle
charred bolt
The solution to Spooky's wheel shrinking problem was that the wheel object was included in multiple named selections which also had bones and animations attached. After we separated the bones and removed redundant anims, all is now ok.
native garnet
new to modelling end of arma. Just trying out blender with toolbox and importing some sample models. Is there some magic trick I need to do to see any of the other lods? Like shadow lod or so, I select it in blender but can't see it
also new with blender for the record, so really not sure why this is working. Might be somethign super obvious
hollow fulcrum
@charred bolt just wanted to say thanks for being pro with communication here. more should do it that way. much appreciated.
lethal axle
Any good tutorials to start making models for arma 3? I know how to create a house for Unity just not Arma 3
polar fiber
@native garnet the other LODs are shown as different layers http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-E2Q4hLF5AeE/VWSkO-0Qr1I/AAAAAAAAAaU/JybWyQ4l9io/s1600/Blender-Layers-1.jpg
at least they have been when I've tried the toolbox with imported .p3ds
native garnet
sweet, that's what i was looking for
hollow fulcrum
been tinkering the last couple days, high poly base for another tube of doom:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/106016900097568768/339849397468790784/screenshot003.png
polar fiber
tube of lesser doom
hollow fulcrum
haha, true.
woeful viper
is that an ikea desk lamp in front of the missile on the top pic? for illuminating the enemy? ^^
frank helm
@Apollo#1366 Yes all is fine now with the wheels, they rotate nicely. I managed to get the whole gear column to rotate as the vehicle turns aswell today, looks really nice, just wanna try and get the timings sort on the gear raising and lowering and then get the dampers to animate as the plane makes contact with the ground.
@hollow fulcrum It was my idea to take it to pm, but its ok, ya can thank me later. lol. ๐
jaunty leaf
@hollow fulcrum Nice R-60
Hopefully one day I'll be able to make things that look that good :x
woeful viper
hoping? wrong approach. Training is the right one ๐
woeful viper
youre not alone in that if that helps... i dont like baking. Always something that i forgot and discover when i thought i'm done
hollow fulcrum
@woeful viper haha, indeed. you can even take the bulb out, and it doubles as the ambilical for the nitrogen cooled fuses. ๐
woeful viper
plus the mind gymnastics over how to bake it best for requiring least amount of rework... exhausting
@hollow fulcrum also, why the pizzarollers at the fins? http://goo.gl/hmH4Ph
hollow fulcrum
haha, i actually have no idea. but it looks cool!
woeful viper
slicing air...
hollow fulcrum
anywho, im at the gym. back to reps. ๐
civic stratus
my buldozer starte giving a TIMEOUT error regardless of the p3d
has anyone else encountered this problem?
civic stratus
Alright so I re-installed buldozer and now its just crashing =/
civic stratus
External Viewer: "E:\Games\Steam\steamapps\common\Arma 3\arma3_x64.exe" -buldozer -name=Buldozer -window -noLand -exThreads=0 -noLogs -noAsserts -cfg=buldozer.cfg
DLL Folder: P:\dll\x64
it only seems to crash with the 64 bit exe
foggy finch
given the tools were designed with 32bit executable in mind,. and the fact they never really get updated, im surprised the x64 exe works as well as it does with with tools. although im sure just about everyone reports some sort of issue with the x64 exe and terrain builder.
civic stratus
I'd like to atleast get the 64 bit buldozer working so I could make an assessment lol
foggy finch
if your having issues with the x64 exe, just go back to the x86 exe,. only noticable difference should be load times and available memory footprint.
that being said this is BI, so anything could pop up.
lethal axle
Is their a tutorial on how to take a car and put it into Arma 3? I can properly open it in blender but have not found a tutorial to put them in game.
cinder pivot
you made it in blender?
pure whale
will an object thats been proxied retain its weighting?
polar fiber
depends on the use
if it's a vest, backpack, etc. yes
other proxies don't animate at all so vertex weights are useless.
lethal axle
@cinder pivot No I didn't create it, the actual person just gave me the model.
cinder pivot
not the greatest of sources but sample models might be able to help you out
there is a car in there
lethal axle
Its getting the obj converted properly to p3d file.
cinder pivot
you can import it with object builder
lethal axle
But Is there any settings that I need to configure in object builder before I start creating the actual config portion of the cars.
oak lintel
LOD: Anyone knows the Model Change LOD in how many distance?
twin urchin
engine does that automaticly , there isnt set distance when the lod changes
which is annoying at least for me
oak lintel
yes, this was my question. Its make Automaticly. But i need to know the distance for Texture change quality.. I hate it to testing this ingame and change it another.. thats sucks
polar fiber
there are no set distances
agile flint
Wouldnt it also be based on graphics quality?
native garnet
yep
objects quality
so still new to this, made a little wall and got myself a texture using quixel and the RV preset for it, was just wondering which preset to use. I got a AS, NOHQ, but my SMDI seems blank. For now i just did the super one, but not sure if that's useful at all. Also how would I go about setting the type of material for bullet impacts? Right now it looks dirt, but i want it to have the concrete effect
obtuse rain
Marshmallow: It's based on the polygon density (polygons in the model divided by an approximate bounding area) so even if there were numbers it would depend entirely on your model.
@oak lintel And they only tend to use texture LOD'ing for very large or common (e.g. tree) objects.
oak lintel
? :O
LOD 1 need a distance to LOD 2 and again to Change the model i think. Isnt really the polycount what BIS automaticaly changed.
But is ok, i test it ingame with my seamless Textures.
wind belfry
is there any guide for mortar addons?
hollow fulcrum
ermmm... i dont know of any actual guides. that being said, like most things probably best to look at what exist already. sort what you can and then ask about the more complicated pieces. not that any of it is overly complicated, but there are couple particular things with mortars and sights.
wind belfry
well, how should I piece my model so it could be buildable in game
should the tube be directed on some position or does it matter?
should i take a look at arma 2 stuff or is it outdated?
I recall there was some overhaul with mortars while moving from a2 to a3?
hollow fulcrum
i personally wouldn't know without looking. there are a couple guys who have done it though. they might speak up here. not sure about A2 things, i really never played with mortars. there are mortars in A3 though. we have some in RHS also. probably a handful elsewhere.
echo rain
you should do a combination of looking at the arma 2 model and config and the arma 3 config since the arma 3 model is not accessible most likely by default. there are also ways to unbinarize certain lods for educational purposes. i'm sure someone will leave a hint. i can't remember the link to the tool since i never use it.
cinder pivot
can you have 2d planes in fire geom?
scratch that - simply added a small width to it
can't be bothered with arma
sturdy parcel
there are also ways to unbinarize certain lods for educational purposes
odolconverter.t-db.de is finally available again (tim tiddmar)
cinder pivot
does anyone know how to have OB not auto merge verticies when importing?
hollow fulcrum
i was not aware it did this honestly.
halcyon wren
It doesn't. I regulrarly import from FBX with split faces (I presume this is what you mean)
echo rain
hm yea. was my first thought too. that he probably uses obj or something
polar fiber
Recommend triangulating the mesh first in your native modelling software, then export as .fbx and import to OB. And I often tap \ to triangulate again in OB (90% sure it produces the same orientation as when I exported).
That's always yielded the most consistent vertex smoothing for me
cinder pivot
Thanks
polar fiber
@X3KJ#8043 you'll like this Added: New "drivingstickRight", "drivingstickLeft", "drivingWheel" animation sources for armored vehicles
twin urchin
oh , does this means that they plan to do tank interiors?
polar fiber
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Could just be because plenty of people requested it
Programmers seems quite happy to add new animation sources lately
polar fiber
we got reloadMagazine and ammoRandom for dynamic pylon magazines. That's sort of weapon-related, right?
polar fiber
I know, I was just being a dick ๐
twin urchin
i wonder how much longer or if ever i will see the optics getting switch mode anim source
that thing could be used for so many things
polar fiber
I've been told that adding anims to attachments is far less trivial; so it unlikely
was after specifically asking about an opticsMode type anim source
twin urchin
also no hiddenselections for attachments , i mean like seriously?
every detail in arma is trivial so there isnt much around it , unless BI plans to do something with it
see Jets DLC
also there should have been at least one official sight that uses magnifier
foggy finch
maybe in tac-ops dlc
woeful viper
@polar fiber you bet! Already implemented on my models, just waiting for patch download to finish ๐
hidden selections for attachements is prop. tricky because proxy within proxy
cinder pivot
prepare yourself, tanks are coming
woeful viper
well... i guess you can start now, but we still have until winter at least
cinder pivot
@halcyon wren @badbenson#0154 Thx - exporting to obj not FBX was the issue. @da12thMonkey#2096 Thanks for the tips - will give it a shot
woeful viper
on 3ds import it also welds vertices
lusty ginkgo
is there a way to debug view geometries?
wraith tendon
afaik they are not added to the DiagDrawmode.
( https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/diag_drawMode )
woeful viper
yes - copy viewgeometry inside visual LOD, make it half transparent, profit
wraith tendon
๐คฆ thought too far
woeful viper
trick 17
hm well actually - only if viewgeometry can occlude something for the player on that model. If not, then you cant use this trick
depends on how accurate you need to debug it. You could place an AI on the other side and <somehow> have him look for you without moving. If viewgeometry is buggered -> he should spot you through the transparent visual LOD.
a bit vague though
white jay
I tried out, diag drawmode last week. It is still broken in dev branch (note the comment on the page)
lusty ginkgo
As long as the view geo is convex it should work right?
lusty ginkgo
I don't really know just how big a view LOD should be for a tree
I don't want the AI to see through it
but at the same time I don't want the player to see where an AI would be blinded
strong plaza
anyone happen to know why shadows aren't cast on decals?
strong plaza
Im not using supershader
woeful viper
doesnt matter iirc
strong plaza
hm
woeful viper
you could rename it _co to find out if that is the cause
i assume so. Someone was here some weeks back and had issues with his helmet net beeing either not affected or see-through, or otherwise glitchy
dont remember the exact things we all tried or the conclusion...
strong plaza
so there's isn't really any fix?
lusty ginkgo
you might try sorting alpha and recalculation normals
not sure that would help
worth a shot though
woeful viper
no
recalc normal def no. sorting alpha - if it wasnt sorted, it wouldnt be visible in the first place
unless its multiple decals on top then idk
@strong plaza cant give a solid answer, dont remember. I think there was some other material that had shadow, not sure if it with dxt5 or without, but iirc it produced some other glitch
strong plaza
renaming the texture to _co sorta worked, but the edges where the alpha mask starts is ugly
woeful viper
yea thats because _co with alpha results in dxt1 compression ( 1bit alpha -> just black and white)
dxt5 compression -> 8bit alpha
woeful viper
yeh thats your best chance... only other is using some crazy tree shader (totally out of my realm) or something
lusty ginkgo
tree shaders don't make any damn sense man
strong plaza
anyone happen to know of a decal example from vanilla?
lusty ginkgo
oil spill
woeful viper
havent even poked them with a stick yet... i only see the textures and they are crazeballs...
lusty ginkgo
karts dlc
strong plaza
I don't have karts
lusty ginkgo
ground markers from VR update
there are some rock decals somewhere as well
VR markers glow though
strong plaza
is BI aware of this?
strong plaza
no the decals being bugged
woeful viper
dwarden subscribed and razazel is assigned...
strong plaza
seems like something they fix very quick
lusty ginkgo
so yes
woeful viper
or they have forgotten / not the ressources free/ not considered worth the hazzle?
they will certainly have noticed with tanoa/marksman dlc and their ghillie suits... if not they need new eyeballs.
strong plaza
I suppose that gives us hope
I just had a look, looks like the ghillies have shadows casted on them
woeful viper
yeah but they are dxt1
iirc... it was a bug on dev build too and they changed it with this simple fix/downgrade
sturdy parcel
if anyone needs to know this dePax NameOf.paa will list for you whether each mipmap is compressed or not.
you can also see same result in eliteness
that's helpful when you're not quite sure what _nohq/_co/_anything actuallly does
lusty ginkgo
can you change to TI mode in object builder's buldozer?
woeful viper
maybe? heres a manual https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Oxygen_2_-_Manual
dont look like it
sturdy parcel
the gui for rvmats was simply superb. I've rarely seen any tool from any one that was written so well, so intuitive, and so elaborate.
bis broke it when they introduced TI stages
If i had the skills, i could only dream of making a gui as good as that one.
woeful viper
making good ui seems to get rarer every year... todays ui's are dominated by oversized buttons without noticeable border to the background ๐ค
lusty ginkgo
So I am making some terraforming objects (mainly for mission makers, but occasionally for terrain use for things that can't be done via heightmap editing) and I can get the fire geometry and roadways to work fine, but when I casually slaughter an entire friendly squad in the name of science their bodies fall through the object onto the ground below
Is there anything I can do to prevent this?
woeful viper
do you have regular geometry? because firegeometry is just for projectiles
sturdy parcel
i don't think so Rylan, the engine is hardwired to kia = height asl of the 'guestimated' position of the terrain surface.
but you might experiment with class=vehicle because clearly that rule doesn't apply
woeful viper
kia=height asl? you sure? with ragdoll and so on?
sturdy parcel
a kia ON or IN a class=vehicle, stays with the vehicle.,
woeful viper
if its classed as a building it certainly should stop from falling through - otherwise we would see soldiers phasing through from multifloor buildings all the time
sturdy parcel
... but that too might simply be the cfgActions class where an anim (rtm) has been invoked
shows how much i know X3, coz i thought that's what does happen..
lusty ginkgo
the object is basically configured the same way a rock is, and AI don't tumble through those when you kill them
it has a roadway, fire, view, and regular geometry LOD, named properties
AFAIK everything necessary
woeful viper
have you followed all the necessary steps for geometry lod to make it functional?
validation and component naming
if it gives you comfort i too have had a testbuilding where i was able to walk through despite knowing well what is required even with double checking it would not collide... still have to investigate and fix that
lusty ginkgo
everything else works just fine
body collision doesn't
the geometry LOD is validated as well
maybe I need class = rock
not sure exactly what that even does
sturdy parcel
class rock affects minRockSquares= when making maps, and ultimately causes rock icons to show on the 2d map. Other than that, no other efffect known.
halcyon wren
it should be
map = rock
not class.
sturdy parcel
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Named_Properties
you're right
lusty ginkgo
what does class = rock do then?
halcyon wren
I don't think it has any purpose or is linked anywhere in the engine, actually.
None of the A2 assets have it assigned.
toxic apex
I thought it was for the map marking
sturdy parcel
me too
halcyon wren
anything on 2D map is done via map named property.
class properties sort out basic configuration for items that don't have specific configs (via .cpp)
So if A3 assets have them, it might be relevant for AI.
lusty ginkgo
I will experiment with it tomorrow
pure whale
curious as to where the object is defined as a tree or rock to be shown on the map
halcyon wren
named properties. map = something
pure whale
alright
umbral plume
yeah map = tree and map = SMALL TREE
they felt the need to make it all caps on a2 objects lol
outer condor
A3 - Named Properties overview
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q9NkdflkZQjU8aHZGQU54EM1042crpdoA1lGBLHX0Go/edit#gid=0
from A3, CA (CUP) and LIB (IF)
note: entries in the overview are not to say that they are necessarily correct. BI ppl also do/did lots of copy pasting or some people dont know the correct use
halcyon wren
Lol. Step and Xstep params in various geo lods.... what were they doing...
pure whale
lmao helpful for me anyway thanks for the pointers
sturdy parcel
folks, this is where you need to be for map= class= and dam(m)age=
pure whale
ty
sturdy parcel
kju's url above is an 'incidence list', it is not a list of all possble values
white jay
is it possbile to see data_f/proxies in 3d... like animations could be seen via triger in editor ?
outer condor
@sturdy parcel this is outdated and incomplete (hence i started the analysis of A3 et al p3d)
sturdy parcel
then the biki is the biki and someone should take the trouble to make it up-to-date
all labels mentioned exist in the leaked source code.
woeful viper
@oblique hornet you heard him
hollow fulcrum
slowly backs out of the room...
sturdy parcel
kju's incidence list is an excellent source. hard work was done tthere. But it needs to be filtered so that those parts which are relevant are merged into THE document that deals with map= and class=.
i have tested most, not all, but most of the labels in the leaked source against real world objects in a map. the document as it stands, is correct, but not necessarily up to date based on kjus efforts.
charred bolt
I have an (inherited) vehicle p3d which has 2 UV sets. UV Set 0 has all the texture mapping. UV Set 1 is empty of points (Ctrl A, Delete).
But if I delete UV Set 1 entirely, pboProject binlog warns "2nd UV set needed, but not defined".
How can I find what object in the LOD is saying it needs UV Set 1, and then change it please?
woeful viper
only reason why 2nd uv set would be needed that i can think of is if you specify in rvmat to use "tex1"
so check there
charred bolt
cheers, will do
Yes, there's a "tex1" present.
Changing "tex1" to "tex" has solved the issue. Thanks X3KJ.
lusty ginkgo
should my geometries have sharp edges?
woeful viper
doesnt matter afaik
outer condor
@sturdy parcel the plan is to update the BIKI. however i cant just merge in these results as not everything is correct to what the models tell. as such i tried to reach out to people to provide feedback, yet nothing really come of it so far
atm i am unsure how to proceed
sturdy parcel
i know the feeling.
oak lintel
Gives a tutorial to make a path for buildings?
woeful viper
the real question is why we should support lazyness?
sturdy parcel
i don't even understand what he wants.
model=\path\to\buildiing.p3d; // voila
oak lintel
Ai pathfinding in buildings...
woeful viper
sample, biki.
mikero - do you know what the issue could be if i get a binarize crash with error code -1073741819 ?
before that it says "building master from model.cfg" - is this related?
oak lintel
I looking in the samples. i Understand the "Actionbegin*" and "ActionEnd*". But not the "in*" and "pos*".
I need only the "-Path" and the "Actions***" for the AI ?
Can anyone give me a description for "in*" and "pos*"
?
woeful viper
BIKI!
sturdy parcel
@woeful viper the crash and model.cfg unrelated.
woeful viper
hmm
sturdy parcel
the model.cfgs (plural) have been analysed (and passed fine)
later on,. binarise is invoked, and the cause of the crashes are totally unknown
it generally has something to do with bad weights in the model
woeful viper
grml... thats going to be a pain to find
sturdy parcel
with crashes, it's difficult to discover the cause because a crash does't say' crashed when change color to red, or crashed when multiplying oranges with tomatoes. it's a crash
almost always, you have to use the halve and halve again rule.
woeful viper
doing it as we speak
well i nailed it down to 1 model and two specific view LOD, but i can't find anything. Deleted all named selections, recalc normals. Still crash
woeful viper
wtf? ... if i have resLOD 5, it crashes. Doesnt matter whats in it - even if its empty.
ok apparently there is a limit how many res + edit LODs you can have in a p3d... because when deleting some edit lods, it binarized ok. Which would also explain why it worked when deleting either resLOD 4 or resLOD5
or maybe even max total lod amount...
it seems that having 30 lods is 1 too much
sturdy parcel
a memory jog here based on no known fact is that you can have max 2 editlods
woeful viper
thats not true, i have 6-7 in this file
woeful viper
thats also not true - judging from the filesize. Binarized without deleting edit lods is much larger than binarized with deleting edit lods
sturdy parcel
then they aint edit lods
woeful viper
they are "Edit" lods that you can select in Object Builder...
sturdy parcel
check with eliteness, they should not be present in the odol
woeful viper
maybe they where in the past, but currently it seems there is no limit but they are not removed either
or maybe just edit lod 1 and 2 are removed?
sturdy parcel
perhaps. but it's yet another mystery solved why binarise crashes, and just points out that there's no hard rule what to look for.
sturdy forge
what do you mean
sturdy parcel
subscriber version knows about type73's
sturdy parcel
it's not 'one' tool. you miss out on all the improvements to the basic toolset as well
sturdy forge
maybe, but the subscription is only for a year
a year is about one project maybe two
sturdy parcel
and less than the cost of what you spend for the internet connection each month ๐ But in truth, i'm just pleased that you use my tools at all, because that marks you as someone who wants to produce a hi quality pbo.
sturdy parcel
hundreds, nay, thousands of wannabe modders will avoid fixing their errors any chance they get.
sturdy forge
i dunno. i might buy them.
see, i am working on a terrain and was granted a permission to use some assets of another modder. gotta move some files.
we'll see.
woeful viper
the argument "is only a fraction what you have to spend on X" doesnt really pull when that cost is on top of current expenses
sturdy parcel
fine by me, if your time is worth less than 3$/month
hollow fulcrum
lesser tube of doom, low poly:
https://gyazo.com/307685c817f1f9496ed725874d16ee38
fluid ocean
Sexy
spiral void
Hey!
Is there anyone here who would like to help me out with some models? It's for the map Krokom that I'm working on. Before I've been doing all the modelling myself but I realise that to be aligned with the release plan I will have to reach out to another pair of hands :) Experience with a3 tools and modelling a is required. Credit will obviously be given to whoever contributes. Let me know if you're interested.
Link to the project:
https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/203776-krokom-sweden/
terse elm
lovely looking map
outer condor
@Tjockejocke#3257 there is also #creators_recruiting
spiral void
@outer condor thanks
woeful viper
@hollow fulcrum fine looking specimen, i take 2
hollow fulcrum
@woeful viper thanks man ๐
could have probably targeted those 1k maps a little better.. but meh, was in a hurry.
woeful viper
unfortunately i have nothing really to show -.- ... trying to figure out how to make buildings and stuff with least amount of effort (modular system) and good performance. Plus i'm trying to accustoming myself to the idea that redoing all textures in substance (instead of dDo legacy) is progress ๐ ๐ช
hollow fulcrum
B o r i n g . . .
lol, i feel for you though. i still have mixed emotions on sp foo
woeful viper
whats the negative side to you?
hollow fulcrum
i do not envy you in that regard, or modular buildings ๐
nobody has foo to show, that is the boring part.
woeful viper
i mean dealing with sp
hollow fulcrum
ah, it just lags like mad for me. had a go at it a month or so again. it's functional for sure. but meh, things are just way faster for me in ps/qs package. and painting is much nicer in 3do.
woeful viper
what makes it better? smoothness? controll?
hollow fulcrum
it doesn't lag?
dont get me wrong, im not knocking sp, it works fine most of the time. i've just been doing a lot of free hand painting recently, and these small projects have been fairly rushed. so im just more comfortable in QS.
but it does lag like poo for me eventually. which is odd because generally speaking i have plenty of hardware. might be an edge case thingie.
woeful viper
i havent decided yet, so still looking for opinions
i'm surprised you mention lag. I've seen others say that SP is far quicker than quixel when between change made and update in viewport
but its been a while since that
hollow fulcrum
i think it's more powerful in general. but for sure has its learning curve. especially when you get deeper into doing. and with SD you have even more power. but it's all relative as with most things like this.
woeful viper
yeah thats what i'm mostly after... procedurals. Which DDO has abandoned apart from the 'smart masks'. They are all about their gigascans... thats the impression i got
hollow fulcrum
pretty much. for procedural foo SD/SP makes sense to me. this has not been my realm though.
woeful viper
with the amount of stuff i have (mostly also fairly similar stuff) i want to do as much procedurally. Also, i'm planning to finally assemble a crew - and if everyone has their own method or does handpainting even then consistency would be for the bucket.
dDo (legacy) was good for lazy texturing so far - but it shows. I have to UV stuff so that it's all orientated top to bottom, so that streaks for example run down, instead of sideways or upwards...
otherwise its manual fixing per island per mask <- kill me
then there is the filesize - 3GB for a 2k texture ... which loaded into PS is super slow. So yeah, SP+SD currently looks like the best option i should use before it's too late and assetts+textures have grown yet again
hollow fulcrum
most of the guys are using SP these days. i own it, just dont use it much currently. can't say i have that issue with PS.
woeful viper
propably because the presets i use in dDo are pretty heavy... it shows 180 actions for the painted metal i use - i think 30 layers or so
hollow fulcrum
well, that might have effect.
twin urchin
put the PS on SSD and you got a fast workplace ;P
ofc SP is better but i cant be arsed to learn everything from scratch in that
cinder pivot
Late to the party but for me SP was way quicker then quixel/ps
Mainly the standalone portion helps but I gotta relearn to get back into it
waxen hedge
I am a 3D artist I use 3ds max photoshop and quixel suite. I have a marketplace on cryengine and was wondering is there any money to be made when it comes to arma3?
woeful viper
no.
unless you work for BIS directly - which they only do with people who make content for A3 anyway (free).
charred bolt
pboProject binlogs often show a p3d warning:
"Stage 1 has no texture to retrieve format from (while generating ST coordinates)"
- any thoughts on what causes it / how to fix / don't worry about it?
I suspect it's related to proxies not having a texture?
lost glen
Does anoyone know how to export multiple objects from blender to a single .p3d using armatoolbox?
charred bolt
File > Export > Arma 2/3 P3D (not an expert with Blender, but I think that's right?)
lost glen
@charred bolt I do that but the thing I want to export has multiple parts as seperate objects so when I export it the way mentioned i get an O2 file that only contains one object, when I select everything and check "selected only" I get a load error when trying to open the O2 file and it is then empty.
polar fiber
make sure you don't have some of the objects in some other editing mode when you export
lost glen
@da12thMonkey#2096 they're all in object mode when exporting
polar fiber
and they all have properties as arma objects?
lost glen
yes
it seems to only export the object that is selected last
i would just export it as a .fbx but for some reason when ever i import it to O2 the poloycount seems to double(i'm not using any modifiers like subdivision serface for example)
lost glen
i do get this error when i try to export without checking the "selected only" box https://pasteboard.co/GDzvEJ4.png
polar fiber
evidently one of the objects has the wrong material properties
vital geyser
Sorry to bother anyone but I just made my first hat and it spawns on people crotches and doesnt do any headbobing when I walk if anyone has any tips that would be awsome.
lost glen
@vital geyser what I found is that I had to position the hat in O2 just right to fit the character, as for the head bob i think you have to define it in the .cfg file for example;
class CfgPatches
{
class Hat
{
units[]={};
weapons[]={};
requiredVersion=0.1;
requiredAddons[]={};
};
};
class cfgWeapons
{
class ItemCore;
class InventoryItem_Base_F;
class HeadgearItem;
class Slouch: ItemCore
{
scope=2;
weaponPoolAvailable=1;
displayName="[ANZAC]Slouch Hat";
picture="\Hat\UI\gear_Slouch_x_ca.paa";
model="\Hat\Slouch";
class ItemInfo: HeadgearItem
{
mass=10;
uniformModel="\Hat\Slouch";
modelSides[]={3,1};
armor="3*0.5";
passThrough=0.80000001;
};
class Hat: InventoryItem_Base_F
{
allowedSlots[]=
{
"BACKPACK_SLOT",
"HEADGEAR_SLOT"
};
type="HEADGEAR_SLOT";
};
};
};
vital geyser
Ok thanks
lost glen
@polar fiber currently we can't export multiple object within the same LOD https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/145290-arma-toolbox-for-blender-arma-23-exporter-script/?page=18#comment-3220035
rapid yacht
anyone able to paste me a vehicle config real quick?
quick terrace
lol
rapid yacht
nananana, im sitting at school, and bored
cinder pivot
class Car: LandVehicle
{
class HitPoints;
class NewTurret;
};```
blissful coyote
Hey guys. Anyone fancy taking some freelance work modelling a GSR - General Service Respirator?
lost glen
Does anyone know how to change the point of aim of a scope, i've set it up nice but point of contact is to the right of the reticle.
lone whale
Hey Has anyone ever tried to do a Tiitan fall outfit? possibly with weapons included?
Titanfall*
I would love to have that, like it doesnt have to have the wall running codes or anything just the ethetic look.
quick terrace
this isn't a request thread @lone whale
lone whale
Oh my bad, I figured that asking about models would go into this channel, my bad...
rotund lodge
Anyone know why my geometry LOD doesn't seem to work? I have it defined and with a mass of 200.00?
Is there anything else I have to do to it in order for it to work?
dusk frost
hi guys what is the limitation of the poly count on one vehicle in arma 3 ?
toxic apex
@Apollo#1366 STErrors are part of the model that are not mapped correctly. Or have no UV mapping. They can cause performance issue if you have too many. A very crude way to explain it is they are basically a face that has less than 1 texel/pixel width so cannot take UV coordinates. Eg a face thatโs perpendicular to the mapped plane.
You can find them in OB by going to Structure > Check Faces. To fix them you need to map them properly. You will see this commonly on the proxies since no texture is applied. In res lods you will need to fix the uv map. But in special lods like the geo-lod etc quickest way I found to fix them is to uv map the faces properly or in the case of proxies
1 โ Plan/top view - Load a "background map"
2 - Structure > Check faces โ This will show the errored faces.
3 โ Apply the texture.
4 โ Repeat for Front view and side view until no more errors occur.
5 โ Remove texture but leave the UV coordinates.
Hope that helps.
pure whale
for a weapon with an integrated bipod, when i add the animation from the bipod attachment model.cfg it simply has the bipod down at all times, i am not sure how to make it so it stays up until used
the bipod animation is commented out at the bottom
polar fiber
Weapons use a different animation source
bipod for weapons, bipod_legs for attachments
same with the one for the bipod length
civic stratus
What happened to the FBX import option in object builder? :S
woeful viper
start steam restart OB
civic stratus
still not seeing it, possibly removed?
polar fiber
you're probably missing FBX.dll in the Object Builder folder
or you haven't set path to dll folder in Object Builder
the latter is more likely
civic stratus
Question regarding proxies, how do I link to a specific lod in a proxy?
I could have sworn it did it automatically
when previewing the low res model in buldozer, I'm seeing the high res proxy
polar fiber
I didn't think it worked in buldozer. Only ingame
civic stratus
You're probably right, I just remember seeing it in buldozer for some reason.
lusty ginkgo
for a decal model would I want both the "on surface" and "decal" vertice options checked?
lusty ginkgo
trying to make a creek, but this happens
anyone know the cause?
it didn't seem to happen before
lusty ginkgo
I have an issue where the quality of the normal map is inconsistent at different distances
If I go far away, and then get close again, it looks like this:
http://imgur.com/SMGvIBb
it's like a really low res zoomed in looking version of the normal map
if I go far away and zoome in on the object, then get close to it again, sometimes it fixes it and it goes back to normal
is there anything I can do to fix this?
lusty ginkgo
I seemed to have fixed it somehow
subtle sparrow
Hey guys i have a quick question. I have made a model and i am wanting to add it to a mission using simpleobjects. Got that part working but i cant seem to get the texture to be found. I know in object build you hit e and find the location of the texture but how do you specify the mission folder?
open coral
I'm looking at making a new UAV and i'm trying to determine required memory points. I used the sample plane and it flys, shoots, is controlled by UAV controller etc. Where i'm struggling is the Driver/Gunner Feeds. They say "no connection" is there a memory point i'm missing?
open coral
uavCameraDriverPos = "PiP0_pos";
uavCameraDriverDir = "PiP0_dir";
uavCameraGunnerPos = "laserstart";
uavCameraGunnerDir = "commanderview";
may have found it...
yup, nailed it, sorry for the noise, maybe someone will benefit from my thinking out loud ๐
lusty ginkgo
If I have multiple memory points under one name selection for sound effects, would the effect emit from each point?
polar fiber
more likely it will just use the average of those points
lusty ginkgo
well that's unfortunate
I guess I could just have multiple differently named mem points
lusty ginkgo
I have an issue where AI on a mission I am making for testing purposes seem to get stuck in a tree
I don't know if it's the object itself or some kind of bug with the game
the group leader goes to the same point and stands and looks around
if I take control and move him manually to the next waypoint, then switch back to my original unit he just walks right back to the tree
is it possible that there might be an issue with my model?
lost glen
Does anyone know why my hat isn't moving with the character head. I've made another mod already and it works fine but for whatever reason I can't get my new hat to follow the head. the Geometry LOD has autocenter=0 and I copy/paste the working config.
class CfgPatches
{
class BBB_SSH60_Helmet
{
units[]={};
weapons[]={};
requiredVersion=0.1;
requiredAddons[]={};
};
};
class cfgWeapons
{
class ItemCore;
class InventoryItem_Base_F;
class HeadgearItem;
class SSH60_Helmet: ItemCore
{
scope=2;
weaponPoolAvailable=1;
displayName="[]SSH60 Helmet";
picture="\BBB_SSH60_Helmet\UI\gear_SSH60_x_ca.paa";
model="\BBB_SSH60_Helmet\SSH60Helmet";
class ItemInfo: HeadgearItem
{
mass=10;
uniformModel="\BBB_SSH60_Helmet\SSH60Helmet";
modelSides[]={3,1};
armor="3*0.5";
passThrough=0.80000001;
};
class BBB_SSH60_Helmet: InventoryItem_Base_F
{
allowedSlots[]=
{
"BACKPACK_SLOT",
"HEADGEAR_SLOT"
};
type="HEADGEAR_SLOT";
};
};
};
polar fiber
cfgModels name in the model.cfg may not match the .p3d name
or you haven't given the model the head named selection
sturdy parcel
"BACKPACK_SLOT",
FULL_UPPER_CASE should have told you, instantly, that this is a #define.
that means BACKPACK_SLOT, // no quotes
same comment for type=
these are integer values., not strings
lusty ginkgo
I'm still having issues with AI hiding and trees and then refusing to move
I had previously thought it was because the view geo lod was bigger than the regular geo lod but it still seems to happen
not quiet sure why
the tree model in question is the thick spruce tree that has branches all the way down, provides a lot of cover
it's a modified version of an A2 asset, so I'm not sure where I went wrong
sturdy parcel
you cut costs by using less goats.
lusty ginkgo
we use cattle around here
it seems that the AI simply just stop moving after taking cover somewhere for no obvious reason
might not be my models
sturdy parcel
cattle work too, you just need the horns on your head either way, and stand on tiptoe when you hit the crunch button.
but i promote goats becausse they're bloody useless for anything else.
lusty ginkgo
what potential causes could there be for a roadway LOD not working?
lusty ginkgo
fixed it
sturdy parcel
and the problem was?
lusty ginkgo
no idea
just deleted the lod and copy pasted one of my working ones and reshaped it to fit
pure whale
problem with weapons model cfg, when I fire the gun instead of spinning on the barrel the muzzle flash spins around the gun barrel a few meters away
nvm may be a problem with the memory points up front
it's the same model cfg I use for all my automatic guns
do the muzzle flash and Usti halsmsomething have to be perfectly aligned to spin correctly?
polar fiber
Geometry LOD, named properties, autocenter = 0
pure whale
should be in
white jay
hey anyone know why i get
error: wrong MDL version
when trying to import p3d into lender?
blender*
ocean patio
ah neat this is exactly what I've been looking for
so I've been trying for 3 weeks now to get Dr. Wallace Breen into ArmA 1 and failing horribly
while my first 2 to 3 attempts didn't get past the opening O2 phase now that I finally got breen to be visible in-game and replacing the officer I have a few several issues
for instance, none of his textures are showing, but I have no idea where the game starts looking for the texture aka what folder should I start writing the directory at
secondly, the animations don't seem to apply at all
I suspected it was the armature that wasn't exporting from blender into the p3d that I merge with the sample soldier p3d but then I saw that the pistol fire was coming out of his right hand, where it should
which means the game somehow knows the hand is in that exact position there
O2 also shows all the vertex groups and when I attempt to select them it does so successfully, which just makes me even more confused as to why it isn't working
any ideas?
I'm using Blender's latest version with the Arma Toolbox 2.0.0. I'd imagine it works with Arma 1 as well as 2 and 3, right? considering they're all in basically the same engine, just like porting something from half life 2 to csgo... I don't know. the rig I'm using is this one http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=24137
and the O2 version is the one found in the BI tools download for Arma 2, since the one for ArmA 1 doesn't work at all
(as in the download link won't open)
@white jay I got that error yesterday when trying to import binarized models
aka models extracted from the original PBOs
hasty tinsel
Arma 1...? Really?
ocean patio
yes
I can't afford arma 3 and arma 2 looks terrible, not to mention my intel hd graphics and pentium :|
hasty tinsel
Wow dudes were making fun of someone using Arma 2. Now an hour later you stumble in with that.
Good luck to you friend, I only have limited experience with A3.
white jay
@ocean patio yep that's what i'm doing too. shouldn't you be able to do that?
ocean patio
no, BI binarized their models to prevent people from stealing them and to lower file size as well
you need to download the sample models
hasty tinsel
cough https://odolconverter.t-db.de/ cough
Allows you to open binarized p3ds, but they will be scrambled. Only for educational purposes.
ocean patio
the A2 sample models seem to come with literally everything, but the AA sample models are just one for each type
the what
oh shit that exists?
thank god
at least now the textures issue will be solved
hasty tinsel
No idea how keen people are on that one, don't really care tho it helped me before, at least I could help you.
ocean patio
what's a ModelConfig?
hasty tinsel
model.cfg
ocean patio
well, what's it for?
hasty tinsel
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Model_Config
The model configuration file (model cfg for short) is the interface between a (P3D) model and the program.
It is a look-up table which is processed during the binarization process, to tell the program what the various sections of the model are, which skeleton it uses and how it is animated.
ocean patio
jesus christ
is this the reason the guy's always on t-pose?
or is it only for binarization...
hasty tinsel
I'm afraid I can't answer that. You'll have to try asking someone else.
white jay
@hasty tinsel yep just tried the link, and the model looks a bit glitched once imported. so the only way is to get the original files?
ocean patio
it says the geometry will be distorted to prevent thieving, pff
it also says that shared vertices aren't a thing in ODOL so it seems each face will also have it's own verts to make matters even worse
god damn it
what if I want to make Marian Quandt's head human and not so huge?
hasty tinsel
@white jay yes.
ocean patio
wait a second, ACE has those terrorist looking guys
they're not models from the original game reskinned, are they? and if not perhaps the guy responsible for 'em would know what to do
is he on here?
ocean patio
... I wish I had a half decent computer, modding A3 seems so much easier.. oh well
sturdy parcel
in addition, there are NO bis tools for arma1, the earliest release was personal tools 2.5.0 for arma2, which, at a pinch, can read type 40 Mary Quandt p3d, So, your full of it.
ocean patio
read binarized p3ds? well where do I get it?
I got the tools from the wiki download link
sturdy parcel
personal tools 2.5.1 is for arrowhead, pe.2.50 has not been available for some years.
my tools decode all bis assets all the way back to the original cwc demo
agile flint
When it comes to tanks
Is it possible to animation the suspension so it reacts to the wheels accordingly? Or would it be better just to animate the wheels?
woeful viper
there is no IK for vehicles.
any animated suspension will have to be synched to wheel movement which will be a painfull process
ocean patio
@sturdy parcel your tools?
lusty ginkgo
is it possible to add memory points to a model that signal where another object can be attached?
like with roads or something
polar fiber
with the attachto command?
hasty tinsel
@lusty ginkgo, if you have access to the non binarized .p3d, then you can just add the new points into the memory-LOD. if not, you can use attachTo with an offset.
lusty ginkgo
I am making a series of creek models and I am wondering if there is a way to do that
I want them to be attachable to each other so I can use different segments
hasty tinsel
There is, you just define the point in the memory LOD, adjust the model.cfg and use:
_creek1 attachTo [_creek2,"selectionName"];
how does that work for terrains?
I don't think spawning a bunch of objects with a script will be ideal
hasty tinsel
I'm no expert on terrains, I'd ask in the hub above #arma3_terrain
hasty tinsel
Well, it's an easy object, but for the first time I'm actually pleased with the result. 4K in arma, performance-wise, anyone?
https://prnt.sc/g5dx6t
stuck oyster
@lusty ginkgo what you want is snap points so you can use the magnet tool in Terrain Builder.
stuck oyster
try searching for arma snap points for starters
also some of the A2 models have them
especially bridges and airfield models
lusty ginkgo
alright thanks
sturdy parcel
set your geolod property to class = road (which is what a river of water tiles is), then use the traditional PE, LE, RH memory points that all 'roads' have.
milkman discovered a futher wrinkle with ponds. the p3d itself can only be used once.
to make a river of ponds (eg) the very same p3d needs to be copied and renamed.
welcome to hell.
halcyon wren
as soon as you use class = road, you force the model into a special rendering mode, that very likely won't even deal correctly with supershader.
lusty ginkgo
works fine for me
halcyon wren
Also all volumetric geometry is flattened to match the surface.
halcyon wren
I havent checked this in A3, but A2 it was this way that any Z height got sandwiched flat to match the terrain surface. (Which is what you'd want for a road), but it makes sidewalks as part of the road model impossible.
lusty ginkgo
it doesn't do that for these models
halcyon wren
Hah, yeh, I dabbled with exactly this last thursday.
Wanted to sort out a river though, so that the surface would need to be floating above the ground and still match the terrain. Turns out texWaterAnim and placement = slopeLandContact CTD the game.
So now I'll have to angle the objects myself to match the terrain inclinations :/
lusty ginkgo
mine just uses the "on surface" option since it's small and flat and fits into the terrain more naturally
lusty ginkgo
Honestly I'm surprised I could get flowing water to actually look decent
it took about 8 planes of different "texWaterAnim" materials
but there it is
I just need to find an effecient way to place them
halcyon wren
Actually strike what I just said about class = road and onsurface
I mixed some stuff up ๐ฆ
bridges use class = road and work allright ๐
However as soon as one single face is set to onsurface, the entire model does it.
Rylan, do what I did last thursday:
Declare them as roads, and use the road tool to place them. ๐
lusty ginkgo
road tool?
They are already declared as roads. Seems I had to to get the normal map to not switch to a mipmap and look like garbage. Seems to work just fine so far
also I got sound shaders working with the objects
the sound update is pretty legit
halcyon wren
in TB you can create roadnetworks by feeding in parts. Thats how roads were done before Arma 3.
ONE big downside: a left curve and right curve will be the same object, but just rotated for the left-turn.
halcyon wren
here you will have to create extra curves going the other way with rotated UVs so your water flows into the correct direction again.
lusty ginkgo
will I just have to manually replace them?
halcyon wren
No, you can explicitly choose them in the road tool.
Grab the A2 sample data, and the road .p3ds in there. Have a look at those and their setup, then use them in TB to place a road with them.
Once you have understood how that system works, you'll be able to easily use it for the creeks. ๐
lusty ginkgo
also I don't mess with the UV's, I have the water looking just how I want it and doing that messes up the speed and direction as set in the .rvmat files
For the curves to the left I just copy pasted the right curve models and scaled each lod -1 on one axis and then reversed and recalulated normals
halcyon wren
Have you tried texWaterAnim on shapefile road materials?
halcyon wren
Give it a try, maybe that will be quicker.
lusty ginkgo
since I have waterway polyline data
halcyon wren
yeh, just duplicate it x times for all your layers and assign different .rvmats
lusty ginkgo
http://imgur.com/mSEsk5t
http://imgur.com/Qkg0Ojd
Looks meh on a flat surface following a path that doesn't make much sense
halcyon wren
Yeh, thats why I wanted depth volume for my rivers and then hit the CTD. ๐ฆ
lusty ginkgo
hopefully with the shapefiles and heightmap shape it willl look better
this method obviously wouldn't work with actual rivers
just small streams and creeks, which is what I intend
the actual river would take much more work unfortunately
halcyon wren
Yep. Thats why I shelved it for now. I plan to do some .py script to sort out the alignment for me, but the pitch yaw roll import in TB is very... odd.
Probably some wierd exposure of a world transform into degrees that doesnt make sense.
lusty ginkgo
well, good luck with solving that problem
in theory, it shouldn't be too hard, but considering Arma and Arma Tools behaviour, it probably will be
halcyon wren
the theory for doing it is super clear ๐
its just work and time to build the tool and make it do the thing
And right now I'm on the asset-creation train anway:
http://i.imgur.com/MrWOvG5.png
lusty ginkgo
well, I have ten models to add road memory points to, so everyone have a nice day/night
actually, before I do that, is there any way to move a selected point to the pin in object builder?
would make this process much faster
stuck oyster
scaling to 0,0,0 with active pin
lusty ginkgo
don't think that works
stuck oyster
I know it does
stuck oyster
scale to 0,0,0 with relative to pin tabbed
lusty ginkgo
I swear it didn't work the first time
well it works
this should speed things up quite a bit, thanks
halcyon wren
Do you know about the "move with pin" feature? ๐
I think "R" is the hotkey for the pin.
So:
- Make a selection
- Press "R"
- Move the pin over one vertex in your selection
- Hold RMB
- Drag and move the item to some other vertex
- See it it snap to it
- Have your mind blown
Its one of those hidden O2 magic bombs.
polar fiber
๐ฎ I use the pin all the fucking time and didn't know it snapped like that. that's great
agile flint
@woeful viper So would you recommend having all the hub caps etc just as apart of the wheel, and leaving the suspension bars static?
sturdy parcel
apply car dampers to kolos i think. they're fundamentally different skeletons.
car dampers cause both suspension animations, and steering to happen. a tank doesn't 'steer' it reduces the speed of one track vs the other, and bis use trickery to do that because there's no need to animate the cause (such as an actual wheel turning)
the actual czech translation for kolo is hub, not wheel, in a tank context.
agile flint
I'm making tanks, as was curious whether it would be worth my time animating the actual suspension along with the wheels for when I eventually get to that stage
@cinder pivot
I've done it to my F35 I guess cause you can't hide the suspension, but on a tank you can somewhat hide it behind tracks and the wheel sizes etc
woeful viper
Depends on what suspensiontype it is. If it is torsion bar you can leave it be (unless the arms are very visible in the model). Kuma has sloppy torsionbar animation by simply weighting one end to the damper translation bone and one stays fixed
i dont think anyone ever took notice of it
frank helm
sorry to jump in, this has annoyed the crap out of me for ages in O2, every time I want to scale something it does it on all axis, how can I do it on just one axis? I've tried to the x,y,z buttons in the toolbar but they don't seem to make a difference.
halcyon wren
use the scale button and then control axises individually
alternatively untick the uniform scale button
frank helm
brilliaaaaant! thanks dude. thats saved me heaps of headaches. lol
hollow fulcrum
@surreal stag ermmm, what type of problem are you expecting?
surreal stag
Performance or maybe shading
lusty ginkgo
probably the kind with edges
If you're worried about shading, you can change it in object builder if it doesn't look right
hollow fulcrum
it should be fine.
lusty ginkgo
I don't think there will be a serious performance hit with that model unless there are a ton of details off-screen
surreal stag
It's a concrete brick. Can't get any more detailed than that.
hollow fulcrum
honestly vertex count is not the larger of issues. section counts eat up performance faster than anything.
lusty ginkgo
you could model each individual scratch and mark on it
hollow fulcrum
now if you're planning on using a ton of those.. that's a bit different scenario.
surreal stag
Won't be using a ton. It's mostly for decoration.
hollow fulcrum
meh.. should be fine. are you utilizing a high poly model?
surreal stag
Nope. I plan on using that model
hollow fulcrum
gotcha. in that case thats probably about as well as you can do with it.
surreal stag
Alright, thanks for the help!
surreal stag
Oh didnt spot those
polar fiber
would need to use either the green or blue type of topology http://i.imgur.com/FxYRI2B.png
blue would result in the lower vert/face count moving the intermediate vertex to the outer edge
hollow fulcrum
^^ this is pro.
surreal stag
I went with the blue type
pure whale
making a bear trap
not sure how to setup the model cfg for the trap to close on itself when its activated
like the trip mines arma has
frank helm
anyone care to explain how I can fix "cannot generate ST coordinates" in O2? I seem to have it alot on a few componants.
frank helm
ah ok. cheers. I can live with it for now then, the model is going to get a complete texture overhaul anyway.
frank helm
Can some one point out where I'm going wrong here?
"gear_1","",
"gear_1_damper","gear_1",
"gear_1_steering","gear_1",
"gear_1_stabil_1","gear_1_steering",
"gear_1_stabil_2","gear_1_damper",
"gear_1_stabil_2","gear_1_stabil_1",
"wheel_1","gear_1_stabil_1",
The only thing that won't rotate horizontally with the steering is "gear_1_ damper", which also, Won't rotate vertically with the rest as the gear_1 retracts.
timber cobalt
this is my setup
"gear_1", "",
"gear_1_steering", "gear_1",
"gear_1_damper", "gear_1_steering",
"gear_1_damper_D", "gear_1_damper",
"gear_1_damper_U", "gear_1_steering",
"gear_1_caphook", "gear_1_steering",
"wheel_1", "gear_1_damper",
dont think "gear_1" should be connected to both the damper and the steering
frank helm
I thought that was the main thing that made them go up?
timber cobalt
yeah but everything else is connected to gear_1
here:
"gear_1", "",
"gear_1_steering", "gear_1",
"gear_1_damper", "gear_1_steering",
damper->steering->gear_1
damper is connected to steering, steering is connected to gear_1
get it?
frank helm
yeah following
timber cobalt
so if gear_1 moves up, the rest will follow it
frank helm
seems if I connect the damper to the steering the steering drops with the damper when I scroll through altradar, which is not what I want.
timber cobalt
it should be like this:
"gear_1", "",
"gear_1_steering", "gear_1",
"gear_1_damper", "gear_1_steering",
not like this:
"gear_1", "",
"gear_1_damper", "gear_1",
"gear_1_steering", "gear_1_damper",
frank helm
ok, I'll try that and see what happens. brb
lusty ginkgo
what exactly does the "decal" vertex property do?
versed escarp
where is the temp folder for tools located ?
solemn canopy
sturdy parcel
what 'identical' names?