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#arma3_model
hollow fulcrum
stuck oyster
he'll come around if/when he feels like it. no need to spam him.
cedar rock
@loki.87 I'd imagine it's just a head piece with a light stet up as normal and made a function binded to a key to turn the light on and off
white jay
zhats how id did it for now:as reflectors class only works in cfgvehicles i created empty p3d with light setup as static class in cfgvehicles (my light objct) .on keydown eventhandler toggles the light creation. light gets attached to head, where my headlamp is located. the problem with that is, that it only follows the horizontal mouse movement and also looks weird in idle animnations. unfortunately i cant bind my light to a bone
as you can see its a messy workaround
white jay
๐ the answer i feared most
merry hearth
I hope to be releasing that this year though (means i got less than 10 days left)
white relic
Any good tutorial about setting up lods etc in oxygen ??
errant pumice
Any ideas how do I prevent AI walking through "solid" object like a wall or closed door?
stuck oyster
Indoors or outdoors?
errant pumice
outdoors
basically a fence with doors, they go through even when closed.
player cant go through
stuck oyster
Is there a object with path in it under the fence/door? AI on path ignores all pretty much all geometry.
AI collision might also ignore some obstacles by design so that they dont get stuck.
How thick is the door geometry? It could be too thin for the AI geometry check to register?
Is it animated when they go through? I've seen geometry on planes/helos break when the animated part (landing gear) was animated so that its fully animated state was beyond the original bounds of the object.
Also does the said geometry piece have weight? I would assume so if it blocks player.
hard flume
Can anyone help me with exporting a model from 3DS to OB? This is driving me nuts. I have tried a few different ways and I can't get the size correct. Thanks!
hollow fulcrum
so it is importing successfully, just at the wrong scale?
hard flume
correct.
I have tried .3ds(tiny) and .fbx(huge)
I even tried .obj and it was bigger than tiny but still way to small
hollow fulcrum
so on .fbx import (what i use most of the time) you can select the scale. it helps to know what the original scale was, and hopefully it was metric. but for close approximation, the grids in OB are 1 meter.
hard flume
OK, how would I set a scale in 3DS? I do have the measurement set to meters.
hollow fulcrum
hard flume
or better question, how do I set up the FBX Export settings
hollow fulcrum
.fbx will export whatever max is setup for in base units (or whatever you tell it in the exporter)
(not viewing units)
hard flume
gotcha
hollow fulcrum
i should say system vs. display
and OB by default is looking for mm, so base ratios off that.
hard flume
AH, that is really good to know. Thanks! Let me try a few more things
hollow fulcrum
np
hard flume
So I can use this is a point of referance, what "height" are the characters in game? I'm guessing around 1.8 meters. Thanks
fossil obsidian
guys, where or how can i get dog model with weights?
obtuse rain
The Arma 2 samples should have them.
hollow fulcrum
how about you compare them yourself. aren't you like some sort of ArmA master anyway? or is that outside your skillset?
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woeful viper
dayum, Hatchet giving out the stings
hollow fulcrum
Oops, was that out loud? My bad.
woeful viper
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wraith tendon
But the truth ๐
hard flume
Thanks @quick terrace
random elbow
My Geometry LOD on my Building doesnt work. Anyone got an Idea?
hollow fulcrum
does it have mass applied to it?
random elbow
oh shit no it doesnt
hollow fulcrum
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errant pumice
any clues why some of the BIS A3 trees remain brownish, when all rvmats and paas are white, as winter trees? :/ driving me mad!
warm relic
For anyone who does cars, when you do hitpoints do you manually place them or is there something in object builder to create points based on a selection you made?
hollow fulcrum
@errant pumice gotta be something pathing out and calling something differently. could be something with the actual model I suppose. imagery might help if that's the case.
@warm relic Isn't it always more fun when you do it yourself?!
white jay
@errant pumice either your map still loads the vanilla ones or some rvmat is still calling home instead of your new paas
cinder pivot
@errant pumice they could also not have any selections, and ignore your stuff
pulsar compass
Can someone tell me why is my model ingame looking for a texture on P: drive. My working folder is on P:/myworkingfoldername, and when I compile everything with addon builder, everything works ingame, but when I don't have P: drive mounted, no textures get loaded ingame and an error apears. Do i have to somhow configure the addon builder to not include "P:" in texture filepath or am I using somthing wrong?
hollow fulcrum
I unfortunately do not use Addon Builder and as such can not provide accurate support for such ventures. I can however almost guarentee you that the model is looking for something on your P: because it is being told to do such. It's been a while, but perhaps try removing the drive reference in the model itself (face properties). perhaps will play nicer upon bin foo.
warm relic
@pulsar compass when you define the texture path by pressing e on your selection take out the P:
white jay
just configure OB to have P:\ as prefix for texturepaths ๐
pulsar compass
So I have to go and manualy edit every texture path in O2...for every LOD?
white jay
no
pulsar compass
@white jay Where do I do that?
white jay
go to file > options and set "Path for textures" to "P:"
you might now have the problem that it reads your paths as P:\P:.... therefore you can use mass texture path renaming in tools
hollow fulcrum
^^
white jay
make sure to set it to P:\ instead of what i wrote above
pulsar compass
Did that jup
lavish mountain
@hollow fulcrum How do you compile the PBO's then?
hollow fulcrum
I use Mikeros tools for just about everything. Because #1 it basically will not allow you to do bad things. And #2 if you just RTFM's, you can do just about anything you desire with relative ease.
Note I did not RTFM's for the first few years of tinkering in ArmA, huge waste of time. Just sayin..
white jay
and by the time you are able to pack a pbo with it you can be pretty sure there won't be errors ingame ๐
river kite
is it normal to get pop up errors by starting the object Builder and Bulldozer ?
hollow fulcrum
normal is relative. when things are not setup up properly, yes that is normal. do i get pop ups when launching those tools? not as of yesterday.
(knowing the errors, vastly more useful)
river kite
As an example i get the error Buldozer may not work:Missing file(s). GFSDK_SSAO_D3D11.win32.dll, bin/config.bin,
dont know why i have used steam repair already
hollow fulcrum
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that would lead me to believe things are not where they need to be.
ermm.. im not on the rig at the moment. maybe someone else can chime in here.
river kite
well i think i try a complete new install of BI Tools when Steam is back online
I think i should delete Partition P also ?
hollow fulcrum
nah you shouldn't need to do that.
but for what it's worth, it is worth looking into setting up your P:\ properly. which can help avoid a number of issues. look into Mikero's ArmA3P and the like.
river kite
complete new install worked ๐
hollow fulcrum
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white relic
Is it possible to add lights to model i mean like bridge with lights or do i need to place lights separated
lavish mountain
Making progress
Most of the stairs are in
The hull is a placeholder, just to motivate me
warm relic
@white relic You can place rvmats on what you want to give it a glow effect if thats what you mean, or you can take the light part of the config from a car config file and put it into your bridge config and place down the required memory points
Looks good so far @lavish mountain
white relic
@cinder pivot glow is not the thing i am looking for it need to be kinda like spot light effect
cinder pivot
reflectors
hollow fulcrum
just look at any of the A2 files that have lights on them. the lighthouse comes to mind.
then you'll even know how to make it rotate ๐
hard flume
Good evening. So I have a basic model of a house that I made in 3DS, am able to import into OB, build in AB, and can see in game. I have looked over the config.cpp for the sample house and I am not sure how to make it "solid" so I can't walk through it. Thanks.
ebon abyss
geometry makes your model "solid". needs to be convex thing and have some mass.
hard flume
How do I do that in 3DS?
ebon abyss
no idea
hard flume
How could I adjust it in OB?
ebon abyss
ALT-M to show mass uhm dialog, select your geometry (or different parts of it), type in number (I think its like kilos, someone correct me?) and hit apply. you see the geometry visual change to show the mass there.
hard flume
I now see the mass but when I select my house it does not let me enter anything.
ebon abyss
well dunno, thats how it works for me.
hard flume
ok, well thanks for the advise, at least I learned how to turn on Mass. ๐
ebon abyss
hmm so when you are in geometry lod, hit CTRL-A, it doesnt select your house?
hard flume
it does, but the block next to Mass: stays grayed out
ebon abyss
ok, then dunno ๐ฎ
hard flume
Now keep in mind I only have one LOD imported into OB. It is whatever is coming out of 3DS. I just started and am trying ot learn.
ebon abyss
ok well obviously you need to create geometry lod.
hard flume
is it as simple as adding the geometry LOD then copying everything from the 1.000 to that?
ebon abyss
not really, but that's a start..
hard flume
ok, thanks.
cinder pivot
No, it needs to be simpler, look at sample cfgs
hard flume
I'm doing that now.
white relic
@hollow fulcrum never ever saw rotating spot lights on the bridge before xd but thanks for pointing where to look ;)
@hard flumefor the house you can make simple cube as geometry lod
hard flume
@white relic Thanks
cinder pivot
If you want the house to be unenterable then yes you can make it just a cube
hard flume
Now just to make sure I am understanding, cube per room, wall, or the entire project?
cinder pivot
Is your house enterable, or do you want it to be?
hard flume
I have holes in the walls for doors and windows but I can walk through the walls like they were not there.
Looking at the house in the sample pack, it seems I will need to do each wall as a seperate cube if I am seeing it correctly.
cinder pivot
Yes pretty much
If you want doors then they are cubes/rectangles with a selection name as well
icy roost
I'm having some issues a KSG model right now. Atm I have it in a .blend file but whatever I export it to (.p3d, .3ds, .obj, .fbx) results in it not working with Object Builder or getting messed up.
.OBJ - Imports but most of the edges are smoothed out.
.P3D - Unable to load file. Load error.
.3DS - Mesh named 'RootNode' has not found. 3DS integrity error.
.FBX - Imports but all of the edges are smoothed out.
hard flume
@cinder pivot Thanks for the knowledge
cinder pivot
@icy roost the entire model needs to be in tris/quads for OB import as well
icy roost
@cinder pivot Done, but I'm getting the exact same errors.
Tried importing it as a .3DS and I got "Missing KFDATA section".
cinder pivot
its looking for key frame data
bitter shore
https://gyazo.com/178965e96df9971544fd1b218f9eb484 Keep it chrome rims or make them smoked? ๐
hard flume
smoked. I am personally not a big fan of chrome.
bitter shore
hard flume
definitely smoke
woeful viper
blergh
white relic
@bitter shore i would say to keep it as they are now i mean that last screen
lavish mountain
Sigh,
If your name is Don_prince you will spend 6 hours just arguing with your self over how one type of chair out of the 15 types of chair abord a vessel the size of 98 meters will look.
And to be honnest I still have not made a decision
I know I am a little bit retarded but still I amaze myself
sturdy parcel
but the chair cares!
lavish mountain
Im starting to hate every chair in this universe, Lets blame all chairs
Im going insane
sturdy parcel
personally, i blame goats.
sturdy parcel
might switch to chairs if they don't eat beer cans.
lavish mountain
:rolf:
woeful viper
does anyone have some insight into how to position the eyepoints for grenade launcher sights properly?
I have a sight similar to GP-25 and i calculated the angle for firing, and then rotated the sight and made perfectly matching eye points in max to the sight rotation. But ingame the different views are all not aligned properly in heigth, beeing either above or below the iron sight line
cinder pivot
@X3KJ#8043 I dont suppose there is anything in samples? Have you tried the apl-sa arma 2 files?
calm forum
@woeful viper Have a look in the A3 Samples. In the "Test_Weapon_01" check the weapon p3d and look how the GL sight is set up in there. You will see there are 4 points set in the Memory LOD called OP_eye, OP_eye2, OP_eye3 and OP_eye4. Then have a look in the config to see where and how these memory points are defined.
woeful viper
Lennard, i know this and this is not the issue. The issue is that the position of the eye does not match what i defined. It's only vaguely where i want it. With iron sights you have to hit the sight line or it will be useless. And i positioned the memory points so they are in the sight line. But for some reason this is not the case ingame. So i would have to go and trial&error the correct position for each and every zeroing position - which is not what i want to do. So i'm looking for clues as to why it deviates
calm forum
Ah I see the problem now.
Did you also set a memory point for the cameraDir? Called OP_Look in the sample.
woeful viper
yes i did
calm forum
I have no experience with setting up these sights but I can imagine this memory point should also rotate when the sight is rotated (or be static when it is in line with the rotation axis of the GL sight)?
woeful viper
you cant affect the sight memorypoints via animations unfortunately.
https://abload.de/img/sightissue1jhjod.png
the single mem point is the cameraDir point, and also the rotation center of the sight, so that way it would always be in the sightline no matter how the sight is rotated
https://abload.de/img/sightissue2h3krf.png ingame -> notice how each one is different and all are not matched correctly
calm forum
Aha ok. I think it has something to do with the location of the cameraDir point then.
Maybe try to set up the three rotated configurations in O2, for each one put the cameraDir point where it should be. Then copy those three cameraDir points and merge them, so then you have a sort of "average" loctation for this point.
woeful viper
the cameraDir point is exactly in the sight line, its the individual viewpoints that appear to be off for whatever reason
calm forum
Only thing could be an issue with binarization? Otherwise I am out of options.
woeful viper
its the same unbinarized
bleak tangle
I noticed some shadow LOD issues with a few buildings on Takistan so I thought I'd experiment with using the newer named property sbsource = visualex
If you hover over the image it shows the image using visualex http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/194845/picture:0
One issue it does introduce though is the shadow "banding" https://i.gyazo.com/241ea023801998c84221b3bbd9287301.jpg
In case that screen shot comparison site is being weird here are the images in one album http://imgur.com/a/4vw1X
bitter shore
@white relic Chromes?
sturdy parcel
dep3d now produces 'origami' (paper) mlods from odols. They have no value for the thieves, They should prove useful/instructive for everone else.
outer condor
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sturdy parcel
if you need to see what origami looks like, download tanoa_map_objects.
cinder pivot
@sturdy parcel I can't seem to see the option to do that with dep3d, trying to test with the map_objects
maybe I am just blind and its right in front of me?
sturdy parcel
moment. kju found an 'undocumented feature'
cinder pivot
ok @sturdy parcel ping me or PM when its good to go, would like to take a look ๐
thanks ๐
also is the tanoa_map_objects a new version of p3d?
the p3ds in there*
T_D's tool doesnt recognize so I assume so
sturdy parcel
@warm relic done
cinder pivot
should be able to see something on Update?
sturdy parcel
aaaaaaaaaaaah
cinder pivot
1.86.5.78 and blue for meh
not sure if im looking in the right place or not, about to go sleepy
cinder pivot
i see it now! woo
sturdy parcel
no comment on t_d's tool. I wont give ANY information that assists reverse engineering.
cinder pivot
understandable, but I thought that is what your origami view is like, just a flat plane where his puts visual in a blender
sturdy parcel
The purpose of origami is to allow authors to create encrypted/obfuscated pbos AND supply origami for map makers to add those models to their map
cinder pivot
Ahh okay makes sense
sturdy parcel
I imagine they might also prove useful to model makers generally, but since i don't make models, i don't really know.
cinder pivot
Maybe like examples for tutorials or something, could be useful
woeful viper
how does it look unfolded? Can someone make a picture?
sturdy parcel
update your tools X3, convert a p3d, view it in oxygen/buldozer
or,,, just crunch up the resulting mlods, into a pbo, provide a bare bones config for them, and view in 3den editor.
it's the latter that will give you a look 'n feel for how these things will perform in terrainbulder/buldozer.
outer condor
@woeful viper look in #arma3_tools
fluid ocean
Its white, it looks like paper ๐
slate epoch
Hey guys
I have "issue" with OB, when I want to use proxy to load b_soldier model, nothing shows in Buldozer
Any idea why? It worked few months ago.
fluid ocean
Kllrt, you're alive! ๐๐ป
white relic
2lv house done just windows doors and uv left. What you all think ? https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/15675703_1300758663349627_929590321677631979_o.jpg?oh=a5d26047128b9171db837261094167cc&oe=58EB4A42
foggy finch
it might need a roof
wraith tendon
Garage is too small.
quick terrace
that plan gives me the iches...
woeful viper
the space between wall and end of stairway on the second floor looks very small, which could result in arkward movement of players or AI
thorny rapids
I will donate these models to some team who does quality work and need them for their mods
would be all kinds of cool to have them in arma ๐
tacit karma
First question: how accurate are they, second question: do they have a cockpit already
third question: what are the actual names?
This a A or C A-10?
What sukhoi is this?
What F-16 is this?
jagged tusk
No major external differences between A-10A and C
Su-33
F-16C
Looks like a block 40
cinder pivot
is there a way to flip a face in OB
legit need to flip one face, dont want to recolor everything ๐ฆ
tacit karma
@cinder pivot select the face and press W
cinder pivot
@tacit karma I want to kiss you now, thanks much ๐
tacit shard
Hey I had a few questions if you guys dont mind,
- If I use a proxy for the furniture inside a building and say the building recieved enough damage to swap it to the damaged model would it also swap the furniture to damaged models? or does the proxy still need to recieve damage directly? (This will decide weather I even bother with damage models or not for furniture)
- Does anyone have a link to the way of doing snap points for buildings (these are modular) I cant seem to find it?
oak lintel
Arma need for bulding and geometry all faces close? i have the problem, when i shoot, i cant hit the object... Not all... my mass is on 1,5 million...
bouldings*
distant pier
@oak lintel is your firegeo lod bigger than your view lods?
oak lintel
@distant pier what hat you mean with "bigger"? Components? walls?
quick terrace
plus that yes ^
oak lintel
i make seperate buildings, walls and mirrors and miscs are bigger as the view geo.. my last buildings was a littlebit buggy - mirrors. i test it... ^^ thx
but why my object builder does my mesh mirrored?
and object builder switch my normals... i dont know... shit arma^^
polar fiber
then import to a separate instance of OB and copy and paste
oak lintel
wow thx >.> this is very very very hapeful.. OB is complicated
quick terrace
obj import does weird things
oak lintel
so okay, my building is in. I can run in the building, he has a Wall geometry. But my fireGEO isnt correct.. i make it bigger as my "modell" and a littlebit smaller as my Wall geometry. I cant shoot on the wall and mirrors... not all
white jay
validate your fire geo lod with OBs "find non convex" and "find non closed" or whatever they are called
white jay
yes, but depending on your model it can do strange stuff and you might have to do it by hand
oak lintel
also i need to close open faces?
white jay
yes
white jay
most of the LODs requirements are listed in here:
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/LOD#Fire_Geometry
oak lintel
ah okay... when i fix it, i need for my mirrors a geometry lod?
polar fiber
should have them in the FireGeometry and apply a different penetration material if you want them to generate a different sound (e.g. glass) when shot at.
oak lintel
yes i know, but need firegeometry the geometry LOD for weapons ?
polar fiber
Geometry LOD is recommended
oak lintel
okay
oak lintel
ok, doesnยดt work. i dont know why...
anyone german here and can me help?
woeful viper
the discrete distance thing seems like some major fuckup to me https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/201206-discretedistancecamerapoint-nightmare/
any insight? @rough idol i tested RHS GP-25 and it seems properly calibrated - is there any special trick you guys did to avoid the above mentioned issue? Or was it just trial&error until it matched perfectly?
oak lintel
So... i think this works a littlibit... i can shoot on the walls etc... BUT he give not a sound from glasses... > a3\data_f\penetration\glass_plate.rvmat this is my path
runic iris
Working on a tank and using the sample tank as a reference and there is no driver option?
outer condor
verify driverInAction
runic iris
Yeah that was the issue
outer condor
tell BI to fix their sample ๐
rough idol
@woeful viper trail & error unfortunately
woeful viper
:[
anyone wanna be my modding apprentice? I have important tasks for you...
guess im going to write a ticket then... because this seems like an oversight/ implementation thing that should be correctable (preferably with backwards compatibility...)
wraith tendon
"apprentice" - the new word for "slave"?
lavish mountain
Slave is to good,
Id go with minion
Slaves need maintenance
minions are expandable
dont need anything you just can clone them
woeful viper
well i dont have reached that technology level yet... so minions are not an option
lavish mountain
looks to the right Dwarden has, ask him
woeful viper
also, if universal picture literature is any pointer, it just shows that minions, while enthusiastic are mostly moronic and screw things up
wraith tendon
"Slaves need maintenance" <- since when?
lavish mountain
That explains a lot about BI Studios and ArmA
woeful viper
yes BI bashing is very fashionable ๐ด
lavish mountain
I was joking...
woeful viper
when a joke is repeated too often it stops beeing funny and is called a meme...
lavish mountain
Oh come on, it was an open door: @ BIMINIONS
woeful viper
soo... Don. that means you want to become my apprentice after all, right?
lavish mountain
Cant be,
I am enthusiastic CHECK
mostly moronic CHECK
screws things up CHECK
Can be a minion
toxic apex
Gents - What (in O2 or config) defines the placement height of a helo?
polar fiber
Just height when it's placed at the start in the editor? Or how it settles on the ground when the game starts?
toxic apex
Settles on the ground
polar fiber
With AFM or regular flight model?
toxic apex
afm
polar fiber
Then it's the relative position of the MountStation points
toxic apex
when placed it appears 0.6m below ground withthe gear up and then pops up withthe gear down
in the xml?
polar fiber
Yeah. I imagine you need to move the points that represent the fuselage if it's sinking when the gear is up
toxic apex
hmmm ill look but im not sure.
polar fiber
the ones that represent the airframe usually have <Features isBrakable="false" isRetractable="false" isSteerable="false" />
z coordinate of the MountStation is height
uses the ingame X,Y,Z space rather than O2's X,Y,Z axis labelling
toxic apex
ok i can see the array you mean but the figures seem correct from what i understand
all the figures are relative to the rtd centre point arent they
toxic apex
Thanks Mike but they are definitely correct. its just the initial placement thats still an issue.
tacit shard
Anyone know why WorkDrive.exe crashes saying its missing assembly whe I try to install bulldozer?
stuck oyster
you can set up buldozer to use Arma3 exe from the game folder in both Terrain Builder and Object Builder. just change the path of the buldozer.exe to the Arma3.exe and have the same launch parameters
@tacit shard
tacit shard
right but Ive now realised that its my entire arma 3 tools
It worked once
but now anything (such as mounting my P drive) crashes the cmd prompt
every time I try to mount my P drive, install bulldozer and stuff like that it gives me that error. Object builder still works fine
stuck oyster
have you verified the tools on steam?
tacit shard
ok once again im an idiot lol. I had done that yes. and 3 files failed to validate. It downloaded them but told me it failed to recieve one of the files. I for some reason ignored this and installed all the windows updates I possibly could (literally just installed windows on my new sm951 SSD its why im installing the tools again) which didnt fix it. I reinstalled the tools.... it works
sorry to waste peoples time
nvm
apparently it stil ldoes it installing bulldozer
stuck oyster
validate arma too
stuck oyster
that removes buldozer
stuck oyster
where do you have the workdrive folder?
tacit shard
The default arma tools directory
so c:/program files (x86)/SSDSteam/steamapps/common/arma 3 tools/work drive
steam its self is installed in E:/Steam
its gotta be mikeros arma 3 p cos after I use it everything brakes but after a reinstall its all fine
fluid ocean
No, Mikeros stuff runs perfect.
tacit shard
It was mikeros arma 3 p
Idk why
but it all works fine when I dont use it
if I just use the Extract Game Data and install buldozer it works fine but as soon as I use the Arma 3P.bat it breaks
stuck oyster
buldozer breaks?
tacit shard
no
my tools
mounting the P drive, installing bulldozer
all that stuff that uses a CMD window breaks
tacit shard
yer it worked fine for me on win 10 as well but tbh this was a rough instillation of windows thats had alot of issues
my SSD is really recent so its not detected by windows 7 installer so I had to customize the installer to include nvme drivers and use the windows 10 setup and boot.wim
I can use the rest of mikeros stuff just fine It seems just not that bat file
stuck oyster
sounds like its more a windows problem then
tacit shard
yer
sturdy parcel
you replace the cmdline in t/b from 'p:\buldozer.exe' options...... to
"drive:\where\ever\arma3.exe" options....
based on your msgs above about steam tools folder you aren't even close
and you're damn right about my bat file causing it. My tools won't tolerate steam tools on YOUR data drive.
They've erased ppls p:\drives in the past. They will do so again., They've mangled which drive to look in the past (generally O:) they'll do that again because the mistakenly copy their dev ennviron. And the only buldozer you have on your pc is called arma3.exe . The one provided by bis in their tools has no relationhip to your game except by accident.
oak lintel
hey ppl, Ai and player after kill glich in the ground from my house (groundbox 1,5m with geo LOD) can i fix it ? anyone idea?
stuck oyster
do you have roadway LOD?
oak lintel
yes^^
i can run in the building
but after kill, when i die or AI die, glich in the ground
stuck oyster
is your roadway lod surface little above the geometry lod surface?
does your geometry components have mass?
oak lintel
yes... i have geo LOD, i can shoot on the wall, run on the wall, run on the ground
-run on the wall
oak lintel
i can put items on the house ground, its ok.... but AI and player glittch
tacit shard
Anyone know why when I have:
class House_F: House
{
class DestructionEffects;
};
I get this error http://i.imgur.com/0voFwtG.png
but works fine with just class House_F: House {};
I know that obvs its the destruction effects class causing it but does anyone know if im doing it wrong
wraith tendon
Just read it.
It doesn't know what "Smoke1" is
tacit shard
yes, but I dont either...
wraith tendon
check the config you wrote? oO
tacit shard
I was hoping someone had seen this before and knows if im meant to add the definition somewhere
the only link to anything in that error in my config is the class DestructionEffects
thats not even my house class name
sturdy parcel
there is zero zilch nada, nothing wrong with the above syntax. look else\where
possibly you aren't adding the requiredAddon
tacit shard
^ Have only put my data addon there that might be why ๐ thanks for the help
sturdy parcel
using pboPro or addon ~breaker~
tacit shard
pboPro lol
sturdy parcel
it should have detected that. and obviusly didn't
tacit shard
on some of my models it will have added it yer
didnt do it on this one I just checked the pbo
sturdy parcel
%@#+)%@+@%+
tacit shard
oh while your here I may be being stupid but do you know why I cant tick obfuscate on the pboProject
my setup
sturdy parcel
while YOUR here it would be nice to know if your previous problem has been fixed rather than plastering a new one.
tacit shard
Im literally packing it as we speak
sturdy parcel
then i'm literally waiting for an answer. and packing has nothing to do with buldozer.
tacit shard
Why would that error appear in bulldozer its a config.cpp error
yes my issue is fixed thank you
sturdy parcel
and the fix was?
tacit shard
adding A3_Structures_F to required addons
as I said I had only put my data folder in requiredAddons
sturdy parcel
what's any of that got to do with the wall of text about buldozer and you're inability to run arma3p
tacit shard
oh thats from ages ago
I thought you was on about my issue i just said
I fixed that by not using arma3 p and just using the arma tools one
sturdy parcel
your funeral.
tacit shard
I only use the a3 folder for things like surface files and floor sounds
and they get depacked by the arma 3 one
Anyway thanks for your help @sturdy parcel much appreciated
sturdy parcel
๐
white relic
hey all here is small update on my model
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/15732595_1303632863062207_8760120605717660881_o.jpg?oh=db432cda22a5d757827988175607d1f9&oe=58D76591
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/15800278_1303632859728874_4798364095749038804_o.jpg?oh=886319dca91ad30584554818e00450b2&oe=58D79648
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/15777116_1303553233070170_351835653781038499_o.jpg?oh=ba04a3e62d2e067538335ba974a380ff&oe=58E66E52
wraith tendon
Garage bigger this time?
white relic
@tacit shard yes and @wraith tendon yes
fluid ocean
Typically, when someone posts a ๐ it means you haven't listened to the proper way of doing things and they're waiting for things to blow up in your face... but that's just my observation...
white relic
welllike i said before i have no idea how to do whole part in OB as when i checked sample house there are in geometry things called "component" and when i am trying to do it myself there is normal point when creating it not with that big square preview
fluid ocean
I wasn't referring to @white relic
white relic
@fluid ocean aw ok ๐
white relic
quick question if anyone have a sec
geometry lod for stairs should be box or plane ?
bleak tangle
Check the sample house, it will answer a lot of your questions
white relic
not really
i already did it and itseems like box thats one so i made a box as well but when testing in eden i can walk through
i basically stuck at the same point as i was before
foggy finch
geometry lod components need mass
bleak tangle
white relic
@foggy finch they do have a mass
foggy finch
are they closed/convex named componentXX and definately have mass ?
white relic
I checked link from @bleak tangle. They are closed but named wrong
sturdy parcel
Well it can't be the first object you've ever made damian, treat it same as you would a house.
white relic
Will try it out again after woke up. Thx @bleak tangle
@sturdy parcel my modelling for arma always ended up at this stage xd
sturdy parcel
k
The bikl is wrong btw about physx lod does not need a mass. It can be zero for all that it matters, and it's probably a coding error in binarise when bis 1st introduced this and the boyancy lod., Biinarise gets upset without one and i doubt, other than it exists, that it's actually used.
white relic
So i need to have boyancy?
sturdy parcel
no. and i don't know how you managed to interpret it that you did. need one.
tacit shard
@white relic https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/LOD#Geometry_Phys this tells you all you need to know
oak lintel
stairs open or cloesd mesh? when open you need many simple blocks for the stairs and so. re-build over the "resolution Lod" or go in your 3d software and rebuild the stairs in many blocks. go in OB and create the geometry lod and import or copy paste from another instance in your instance and componets and give him a mass
smoky nimbus
Hey guys, does anyone know how I assign weight to a vertex in object builder? Is it even possible?
white relic
@smoky nimbus in geometry lod when creating cube or anything else choose vertex and use alt+m or on the bottom left is box named mass just put value in there
@oak lintel i dont have ny open meshes
oak lintel
@white relic hm and what is the problem? you cant run of it?
smoky nimbus
@white relic No, I don't mean mass, I mean weight. Like you see on the sample characters with a blue marked vertex.
white relic
@oak lintel i am walking through ๐
@smoky nimbus aw okay i though it will be the same
oak lintel
@white relic.. you need a roadway to run it. Geometry, you need to make what i say. more meshes in blocks.
for collision
white relic
@oak lintel so i need roaadway to walk up stairs ?
oak lintel
white relic
naming helped cant walk through ๐
oak lintel
@white relic look privat chat..
white jay
Anyone have a rough idea of the ideal poly count for a backpack out be?
bleak tangle
Do you have eliteness? You can check the vanilla A3 backpacks to compare
bleak tangle
I made a small table of some of the vanilla backpacks and their face/vertex count https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TLe20YbDwbYt4AeP1Nqf4bXtQka9t-cIQfweE63JiRo/edit#gid=0
white relic
is there anyt limit for components for geometry lod ?
as according to link Pennyworth send me for naming is from 01 to 99 but i heard you can have more
bleak tangle
Yeah don't worry about that, I know the "construction" building in A3 has nearly 400 components
Unless you have a reason not to, I'd suggest letting it name all of the geometry components for you by using the Structure > Topology > Find Components
white relic
ok i did as you said and what is weird from 118 objects it created just 99 components
bleak tangle
What does "118 objects" mean?
white relic
for wall i made cube object
@bleak tangle https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/258716426318249985/264864863740755968/20161231211615_1.jpg here is one object under window and i can walk through
and here https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/258716426318249985/264863921876369408/20161231211354_1.jpg there is normal tall objech and still can walk through
bleak tangle
Then something isn't closed, convex, doesn't have a mass, or doesn't have the ComponentXX naming convention. Also, are you editing the geometry or the geometry PhysX?
white relic
geometry
all objects are closed
will convex hull option solve issue ??
find non closed dont show anything
but find non convex marks lot of vertis
bleak tangle
It depends, that would make a convex hull of your selected points. That would mean they aren't convex then
A cheap option would be to use Structure > Convexity > Component Convex Hull, that will try to "decompose objects in convex components"
white relic
tried it isnt good option to use it created one huge swollen box type lol
bleak tangle
Component Convex Hull did that? Usually just Convex Hull would do that if you had a lot of points selected, because it's trying to create a convex hull out of your selected points
bleak tangle
Convex hull will try to make a convex shape out of your selected points. Component convex hull is more complicated and will try and make convex shapes out of your separate pieces of geometry
white relic
have problem with just one piece...
here is how it look in ob and buldozer as you can see just those two points are found as non convex
and when trying use convex hul whole wall piece dissapear
solved
i reopenned it in 3d program and fixed that wall and now all good
packing
bleak tangle
Yeah I've never gotten just the "convex hull" option to work the way I want it to. I always just go back in Blender and fix it myself
white relic
๐ high five ๐
bleak tangle
A couple things I've encountered that seem relevant...
- Find components correctly ignores proxies and doesn't assign it a ComponentXX
- Component Convex Hull doesn't correctly ignore proxies and does assign it a ComponentXX
- Component Convex Hull clears textures and materials, so be careful using it with fire geometry
white relic
@bleak tangle what you think about video is the house really too small ?
proud finch
Hey guys. Anyone have any idea what causes these annoying shadow issues that occur when lights from a moving source hits it? It's happened with my flat roads and with my models in general. http://i.imgur.com/LtZfSCb.jpg BTW I'm new here, hi ๐
fluid ocean
That is odd!
Btw, a lot of people are in bed or drunk right now. Don't expect a quick reply. Oh, and Welcome!
proud finch
Haha, not expecting a quick reply, people should be drunk or sleeping right now ๐
cinder pivot
Make sure the textures at uv maps at least work if you are leaving it for last
proud finch
Yeah it's all there, borrowed a default arma rvmat for a runway aswell and changed the paths to my normal map etc, the issue happens no matter what I try in regards to shadows and that stuff
sturdy parcel
Btw, a lot of people are in bed or drunk right now.
lips that have touched alchohol shall never touch mine. hic, burp....
wraith tendon
gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
woeful viper
"Btw, a lot of people are in bed or drunk right now"
they are doing it wrong...
wraith tendon
Yeah, for example me. I just stood up, one hour ago =}
fluid ocean
And I have now supped my last drop.
white relic
anyone know what cause that ?? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/264753400170807317/265219235863724033/Untitled.jpg
1.00 lod have faces correct and recalculated
geo lod as well
and shadow lod same
even when reversed still look weird
fixed
sturdy parcel
did you fix your walking-thru-walls issue?
lavish mountain
Made chairs and tables:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t9tk48rbazpm5kt/Schermafdruk 2017-01-01 22.38.56.png?dl=0
white relic
@sturdy parcel yes
now have issue with camera in 3 person view
i am standing in front of that wall i mean camera is behind me and i can see whats in other room
cinder pivot
seems like not thick enough geom or not correct? possibly someone can correct me if I am wrong
white relic
as far as i know geo need to be a wee bit smaller than actual wall for example, and at my model there is difference between them really tiny so i dont think it will be thickness
proud finch
I usually make wall/floor geometry between 15-30 CM depending on the building design, the thicker the geometry is generally the less clipping through walls happen
white relic
my walls are 50 cm and geo walls are 49.6
lavish mountain
in the ship everything is predefined in the drawings an as by classification but depending on room between 50-1200mm
proud finch
And you can't walk through them yes? Try upping the total mass maybe, do you have both geometry and geometry physx?
proud finch
that's weird, I'd say try upping the mass maybe,
and make sure everything has been named ComponentXX by clicking structure>topology>find components. And make sure each individual component is convex
lavish mountain
So 5cm is going to be a problem?
white relic
@proud finch they are all component and convex
proud finch
Most likely for collision
white relic
if i make geo 5cm bigger character will start getting collision before wall
proud finch
Geometry can be fairly thin and still characters can collide with it, but for the view it has to be fairly thick and adequite mass
Wait I'm confused now, who has what issue now Damian and Don_Prince? or are you working on the same thing? I'm honestly confused
proud finch
Okay, got confused cause both of you we're throwing numbers out
white relic
@proud finch i have issue with seeing through the walls all i have is geo lod and res 1.00 lod
proud finch
and what is your geometry mass set to?
white relic
80000
lavish mountain
Question, how big of an issue is it having the geolod infront of the wall?
Is the geolod visible in arma?
As most of my interior walls are 50mm
white relic
no it isnt but..
the issue is that
when you walk to the wall it will stop you before you reach wall
so it will treat invisible goe as actual wall
sturdy parcel
thank u
proud finch
Anyone have any idea what causes these annoying shadow issues that occur when lights from a moving source hits it? It's happened with my flat roads and with my models in general. http://i.imgur.com/LtZfSCb.jpg (Asking again now, hope that people are not drunk or sleeping anymore) ๐
woeful viper
it lies ontop of another alpha decal (road) , have you tried it without a road underneath it?
white relic
What is the best way to create damaged and destroyed model of house which i already made?
cinder pivot
@lavish mountain Pretty simple way would be to create a rectangle, subdivide into chunks and pull up and round a bit so you get like a puff mesh type deal
or just rectangle and rounded
lavish mountain
Im onto the last part
A pillow
Sigh, I design ships for fucks sake,
What am I doing with my life modeling furniture
๐
here I am googling, at nearly 1 o clock in the night, what the most effective way is to model a pillow
proven sage
Hey guys, quick question.
What would cause a model to collide with aircraft and players
But not cars?
Could it be a config thing?
proud finch
@woeful viper It happens even if I place it on regular terrain
@proven sage It should only be because of the geometry lod(s) in the model, just make sure you have both regular geometry and geometry physx as some things in arma is physx and some not (Can't remember what is and what isn't)
proven sage
Hmm. It isn't my model, it's a model which doesn't work with cars though.
Hmpth.
I would have my modeler make some, but I am on a time schedule... Hmm. Cheers lads, you guys make some awesome content. I encourage my devs to help as much as possible, hope I don't come off as someone leeching off this wonderful group of skilled people. I think I will sink the runway into the ground so only the top shows.
cinder pivot
@clever void Penney#4599 for the shadow make sure under faces its triangulated \ then sharp edges? ( u key)
hollow fulcrum
I trust everyone had a happy holiday season. โ
and if you didn't well, sucks to be you. mine was awesome. so there ya go. Happy New Year!
hollow fulcrum
anybody do anything cool on holiday break? you know, like model or paint something maybe.
hollow fulcrum
it is all lies! (without linkage) ๐
proven sage
Thought you said you made boats
lavish mountain
I do
But the boat needs that stuff
with shitty textures: https://www.dropbox.com/s/t9tk48rbazpm5kt/Schermafdruk 2017-01-01 22.38.56.png?dl=0
hollow fulcrum
much chairs. as a small recommendation, be careful to leave proper space for AI to muck about. very cool though indeed.
lavish mountain
Didnt know the name for a stacked bed so named it that
the last one is the desk I am working on
foggy finch
a bunk bed
lavish mountain
Thanks
Got fed up at my tries to make a pillow so the pillow is a weird one that wa s free to use on the interwebs from some tutorial
foggy finch
I havent done much modeling the past week,. ported a bunch of stuff and setup materials though
lavish mountain
Spend about 5 hours on it
foggy finch
also watched entire series of breaking bad
hollow fulcrum
that is much needed doing there @foggy finch ๐
foggy finch
like, all of them
hollow fulcrum
lol
awesome
i really liked the first few seasons, havent
seen the rest yet. waiting for optimal binge time.
lavish mountain
Oh well BB I did not like, I skip a lot of boring parts so something like true blood I watched the entire series in 12 hours
foggy finch
yeah, luckily the structure im working on I got a bunch of stuff mapped to the same textures,. so thats a bit of a saving
lavish mountain
Trouble is why do I always start at 20:00
hollow fulcrum
does not want to talk about multimats and tools and large structures..
foggy finch
hehe
yeah its a mind blower
having 6+ OB's running at the same time is becoming too much of the norm for me lately
I'm gonna make some smaller stuff again soon
lavish mountain
I have drawn the conclusion that what I do is drawing not modeling
hollow fulcrum
aye.. big foo for me for a bit. but at least it's all fairly procedural stuff. which is indeed what makes it tedious and boring but ... ๐
lavish mountain
Well atleast most of my chairs and beds are the same, thank you Nordic Yards Wismar for using modular building. I can reuse most models quite ofthen. However soontm I have to start make couches and bathrooms. Not looking forward to that
proven sage
That's awesome Don, you are going to some insane level of detail
lavish mountain
Ehm
weird question
Closets and cupboards
is it possible to make them with working doors?
easaly?
And what do I need to take into account when I model that?
lavish mountain
It is funny how when playing you dont think about the ovious stuff
hollow fulcrum
sure you can do it. the issue generally becomes one of the 'overkill' for the engine type issues at the end of the day. granted these days we have many objects available and now easily placable with the Eden. the reason you don't see all those objects in the buildings themselves is purely the overhead at the end of the day. which in a large ship or similar application also becomes a concern. although it can somewhat be negated these days with newer foo, (blockers, less proxies..).
lavish mountain
Modeling wise what do I need to take into account if I want to leave the option open?
hollow fulcrum
honestly, i would just try to limit the overall amount of foo involved in general. and keep it in the models themselves. i don't recall the dims on your boat. but you will almost assuredly have to cut it up in order to have fully functioning geo/roadways/pathing. so thats what i mean by keeping them in the models. you'll end up constructing the vessel as multiple parts. and while generally speaking the overall vert counts aren't what we live and die by ... or shouldn't anyway. the section counts will eat up overhead faster than most things. so at the end of the day on something like you're working on, that really becomes the larger issue. and as such, if you say, keep all the extra stuff in proxies (additional models in simple terms), you'll be stacking section counts quickly.
so i'd say model in what you want, and be crafty when it comes to utilizing texture space. some things to keep in mind from the higher perspective though.. walkability for both players and AI. in other words is it best to really put all the tables and chairs etc.. in there, or is it perhaps better to limit the overall overhead and give the players/ai more freedom of movement. or questions like how can i prevent this or that. which can be particularly annoying with AI, and wall hacking players. i build all of my walls very thick specifically to limit undesired results for example.
it is also worth noting, that when talking about large assets, which is not something really utilized in the engine because of how complex it is at the end of the day ... i think there is something to be said for leaving things open for mission makers to make use of, because we do now have the tools that make that easy for them. and is very common practice today. whereas before, placing detailed foo in a mission, was a mission in itself.
all of my coming large assets have limited details, but i have also include some common 'deck items', 'cargo items', and misc oil things due to the scope of things. these are assets which can be placed by the mission makers, but are also included in differently configured models. so if you want it all on spawn, it's there. but it is measurable on a couple of the assets, which is the notable 'overhead' topic.
lavish mountain
That is very usefull, thx
Due to how complex the layout is I think that AI pathing will be impossible
this is quite complex
That so far has worked out into this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/y9t0irigawlgwdg/Schermafdruk 2017-01-03 23.27.34.png?dl=0
hollow fulcrum
aye honestly, kind of my personal approach, but I would model everything related to the hull and it's details first. anchors, cranes, etc.. obviously blocking out the interior spaces is important here, but thats about all i would do at first. then see where all the counts are, and how things are looking overall. from there i would begin adding what i call proportional details. ie.. within this sub-section, what is needed. in a galley for example, doors, some tables and benches, maybe some basic cabnets. then carry those assets throughout as/where needed. then see if where things are again, and if there is room to play, take the things down to the next level of detail, like say light fixtures, fire systems, maybe a pilllow on a bed instead of a baked 16 vert box or sorts.
and not to rain on your parade as it were, but ... i think you're going to find that you will indeed need to know how to utilize some type of professional 3d application to reach your goals here. the visual lod is fairly forgiving, granted if you have any gaps or whatnot in things, they'll be seen ... which is sub optimal. there are many LODs required to make things work in-game. and geo related ones are quite particular. so as another example, when i actually build large assets like these for games foo, i generally 'block' things out first. ie.. i build my collision geometry first. which also becomes my physx, shadow lods, and ultimately the resolution LODs. of which there should be at least a few if not 5 or more for something of this scale.
and thats not even getting into the topic of HP > LP baking which you will pretty much have to do to make things look and function within the realm of reasonable. but again, another reason to invest time in a dedicated application that will do at least 'most' of what you need it to do.
oak lintel
anone have a idea to make wallsound? i use the path a3\data_f\penetration\armour.rvmat in the fire LOD. finde components and convex hull is rdy.. object is a tent. The sound is for tests.
But ingame is my sound default Stone.... what is the problem? =/
bleak tangle
What do you mean by wall sound? The sound it makes when you shoot the wall?
oak lintel
yes. Firegoometry.
hollow fulcrum
.bisurf's eh.. (im not on my rig, but memory says) soundEnviron = "Empty";
and generally applied to the fireGeo, and umm... yeah... ermm..
oak lintel
impact = "hitMetal";
soundHit = "Metal";
in bisurf
bleak tangle
That's different though, this should be the soundHit. Are you sure no points are selected when you do Structure > Topology > Find Non-Closed and Structure > Convexity > Find Non-Convexities
oak lintel
i rebuild my tent with new blocks. he has no open faces and so =/
hollow fulcrum
also make sure you're not gettting some odd pathing out of OB (it happens at times, depending on local setup)
oak lintel
hmhmm
bleak tangle
Is it applied to all faces in the fire geometry?
oak lintel
yes
bleak tangle
There aren't that many possible issues with fire geometry.
- Make sure there are 0 points selected when you do
Structure > Topology > Find Non-Closed - Make sure there are 0 points selected when you do
Structure > Convexity > Find Non-Convexities - Make sure every component is named in the ComponentXX naming convention, if in doubt use
Structure > Topology > Find Components - Go to
Tools > Mass Texture & Material renamingand check that the material isn't listed as red
Also, what are you packing with, and you do have A3 extracted on your P drive right?
hollow fulcrum
'mass' was my only remaining thought
ie.. is it missing in the geoLod, as i think that would break things.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
sturdy parcel
pboProject will not crunch a pbo where a p3d has no mass in the geolod AND also, the physx lod.
hollow fulcrum
@oak lintel what are you using to pack the addon?
oak lintel
addon builder
stuck oyster
Unfortunately addon builder packs your addon even with errors in it.
PboProject from Mikeros toolset gives you indepth error report so you can fix them and it is recommended you use it.
oak lintel
oh okay
oak lintel
my first problem is, i have no config or mission in it... ehmmm, but i have a config. cpp oO
hollow fulcrum
@oak lintel (i dont have my linkage available.) the other relevent question i saw from earlier in the conversation was/is, how is your P:\ drive setup or is it?
for whatever it's worth, i generally on any machine (on any update im working with/on) i update my P:\ using mikeros tools. in this particular case, ArmA3P i believe it is..
i honestly can't even tell you if setting up via BIS tools and the like is working or not. i just don't do it that way. it has failed me before. that i do know.
oak lintel
ok thx guys. works now. problem was addon builder
another question. Collsion is correct. But when the helicopter exploded gives a glich and he bugged with the tent. Same is with die AI or player. ad dead player/unit bugged on the terrain ground and not TENT ground... I use geometry phy with my setup from geometry LOD. doesnยดt work =/
white jay
pboProject will not crunch a pbo where a p3d has no mass in the geolod AND also, the physx lod.
@sturdy parcel i just had that happen to me two days ago -.- wondering why i can walk trough the object for over a hour ๐
sturdy parcel
the pbo should not have happened, if it did, i have a bug.
hollow fulcrum
it is possible to have 'not enough' mass depending on the size of the component.
(note, that is not directly stated towards pboProject.. i can test it later today. but that can/could happen historically speaking)
sturdy parcel
that's like asking if a feather can be too heavy, or a lump of lead too light with both the same shape and size.
hollow fulcrum
think i still have a rig i built many years ago that provided a rough approximation of when/where it breaks down. and i want to say there was an additional layer of muckery between the classes. maybe all that is mute today. that would be nice, but i somewhat doubt it.
white jay
@sturdy parcel my deP3d and dePbo are maybe one or two weeks behind (didn't see there was a update) but yea it packed the pbos without a mass tag
sturdy parcel
@$)*%@)*)U%%^#_
bleak tangle
I'll have to try that as a PBO name sometime
hollow fulcrum
๐
woeful viper
maybe usefull to some people: https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/201408-info-infantry-metrics/
lavish mountain
"90cm - minimum width for walking through. Turning in "regular stand" and "regular crouch" is possible but very twitchy (due to wall collisions). Better use 100cm. Crouched turning causes head to clip through wall"
Hmm
most are 90 for me
but then some are 80
as passageway to the staircase
And I am guessing that this is about the geometry lod
For which I also have the problem that my hallways in the geometry lod have to be smaller due to the fact that the walls are to small
woeful viper
this is exactly why i tested it before even starting on a building ๐
lavish mountain
I can fix it
I can snoop a bit of other rooms beside
With the smaller walkways most of them have thick walling
Pfew, its gonna be a bit more work but Im fine
hollow fulcrum
test things? have you gone mad sir?!
white relic
anyone here speak spanish ?
hollow fulcrum
C?
white relic
i need translation of that 100 por ciento full con crack disfrutenlo !
ashen mural
Hello guys, i want to get into model making within arma 3 but I just don't know how to go about doing it. i've watched multiple tutorials on how nto begin, i have programs like arma 3 tools, etc, but, there is one thing i can't get, it is the problem of I think setting bulldozers/setting up a P Drive. Is htere anyone who could help me walk through it?
white relic
@hollow fulcrum well google dont want to translate that accurate thats why i asked. you could be nicer tho
hollow fulcrum
@ashen mural indeed, uno sec and i'll get you the proper linkage to the tools.
ashen mural
Thanks @ hatchet
hollow fulcrum
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Mikero_Tools
Best recommendation I can give you is, use Arma3P to setup your p:, read the manuals, and come back if you get stuck. I recommend Eliteness for figuring out many things in general. There is also a paid version of the tools, which many of us utilize. takes a minute to sort things, but when it packs ... it's proper. and it'll tell you whats wrong the whole way.
ashen mural
Ok thanks @hollow fulcrum
hollow fulcrum
np
hollow fulcrum
oh i missed one...
@white relic you are correct. i will not take that away from you. however, (and i say this with your own personal well being at heart) i wouldn't hold my breath.
(im trying though, really i am)
white relic
@hollow fulcrum :p
hollow fulcrum
๐
white relic
Just want to know if it means its working or no ?
hollow fulcrum
while i completely get that, the overriding points here are, 1. this is not the spanish translation channel, 2. the content of message itself is less than pleasing to most here, 3. you should know this by now
white relic
Its not pleasing for me either to use this kind of source but currently have no other choice and further agree with you i could send pm
white relic
@hollow fulcrum i know its hard xd maybe thats why all my friends call me asshole xd
white jay
@$)*%@)*)U%%^#_
@sturdy parcel i read in that changelog that you were able to find and fix that mass bug, thanks! ๐
lavish mountain
Soo I tried experimenting with my drawing program, So I need to do something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8ElKUpsIWc
What I end up with:
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Apperantly that feature is a little bit broken
My other program can do it
quick terrace
you are using a rhinoceros which is the nurb software
lavish mountain
YEp
lavish mountain
Sounds like bad news
short wraith
Hey guys, how to name the selections for a grenade? I know that a grenade is kind of a magazine ingame, but have no clue how to name the selections to make it to work
obtuse rain
@short wraith You could have a look at this sample grenade: https://www.dropbox.com/s/j8stz2fzjl7o47x/khi_egg.zip?dl=0
short wraith
thanks @obtuse rain
obtuse rain
The BIS ones often have an extra resolution LOD or two, but otherwise should be pretty identical to the egg.
terse elm
โ โ โ
hollow fulcrum
โ heya buddy
terse elm
hows it going, been working on anything cool lately?
hollow fulcrum
nah, took the holidays off to spend time with the family. just getting back to tinkering again. made a couple/few little things just before the holidays, but those be old news now. ๐
how about you?
terse elm
Made an elcan spector x4 scope as a learning exercise, http://i.imgur.com/6iXDjxL.png
it kind of makes me want to model a L86A2 to go with it
hollow fulcrum
thats looking pretty nice there ๐
terse elm
thx, only got the HP done
hollow fulcrum
hell, you almost look like you know what you're doing these days ๐
can't wait to see the LP ๐
terse elm
dont know about that yet haha
hollow fulcrum
nah, you've come a long ways man. that is for sure. and you're like my favorite old 'lifer' so i wont take it away from you. ๐
terse elm
havnt touch 'life' stuff for a while, dont mention that too loudly in here the linch mob will be out with thier pitchforks haha. im enjoying doing my own thing, noone to answer to, no deadline no stress, and if i need to take time out to learn a new stuff i can its great ahha
hollow fulcrum
i feel ya man. and don't worry, i got your back. glad you're enjoying things though, that is what it's really supposed to be about. ๐
terse elm
yeah
hollow fulcrum
how did the 240 workout? i vaguely recall images, but can't find em..
hollow fulcrum
ah, that turned out pretty decent. what you texturing in, QS?
short wraith
@obtuse rain got it into my inventory, but cant throw it?
obtuse rain
@short wraith Can you pastebin your config for it?
short wraith
obtuse rain
Also make sure you have at least:
requiredAddons[] = {"A3_Weapons_F"};
thats included, send you the last link with the complete code
terse elm
@hollow fulcrum yeah quixel, debating on giving substance painter a try
short wraith
tried that, it does not work
hollow fulcrum
@terse elm aye, while we all know i have a Quixel bias, SP stands on it's own, and is for sure worth playing with if it fits into your foo. ๐
short wraith
@obtuse rain i have the grenade in my inventory and can drop it nd pick it up, but cant throw it
terse elm
im undecided, do you have any handy hints and tips on what post quixel editing you have to do to ur textures to make them look in arma something near in quixel
short wraith
terse elm
haha nice grenade
short wraith
thx ^^
obtuse rain
Heh, the sample I gave him was an explosive easter egg too, somewhat apt.
woeful viper
gas grenade i assume
obtuse rain
The only difference I can see is the _01 on TinCanGrenade_01
woeful viper
flavor rotten tomato
hollow fulcrum
ermm.. let me go pull one of me nades and see if i notice anything
hrmmm... those be a little more complex... let's try all-in-one config foo..
obtuse rain
The sample definitely works, you can get the binarized one from http://foxhound.international/arma-3-egg.html
hollow fulcrum
(totally sidetracked, sorry (nothing honestly jumped out at me..))
obtuse rain
Yeah, I'd be tempted to try using the sample .cpp with the model paths changed and then slowly switching bits over to the current broken .cpp to test at what point it breaks.
short wraith
where do you got the sample from? @obtuse rain do you mean with sample that one you send me or is there a sample by bohemia?
hey guys, found out that the nade works, but some how it doesn't work with exile....
hollow fulcrum
๐ (perhaps we aren't crazy...)
obtuse rain
Exile might be stuffing up muzzles[], check their configs.
And if so you could set your requiredAddons to reference Exile's .pbo that overwrites muzzles[] to work around it.
short wraith
but how to make the exile pbo optional, not required? it should be a mod not only for exile
short wraith
is it possible to add optional addons or not โ
hollow fulcrum
#arma3_config (my personal brain power is limited at the moment.)
cinder pivot
@short wraith are you making it alongside exile or?
short wraith
@cinder pivot yes, it should be mainly used in exile, but not only in exile
smoky nimbus
Hey guys, does anyone know how to effectively assign weights to a character model, without it being really tedious?
dusky dragon
have them eat a lot of McDonalds (but not too much) ๐ (Sorry i just had to...)
stuck oyster
@smoky nimbus Blender has copy weights tool and pretty simple to use weight painting tools.
smoky nimbus
@stuck oyster Thanks I'll have a look at it. Doesn't object builder also have a copy weights tool and does anyone know how to use it properly?
stuck oyster
It does yes, but do you really want to use undocumented tool VS far more intuitive tool with all kinds of tutorials on the subject?
rough idol
anyone know here how parachutes are animated? are they using .rtms?
ok, seems they are animationOpen = "A3\Air_F_Beta\Parachute_02\Data\Anim\Para_Medium_Start.rtm";
halcyon wren
Yes. Its RTM
for open and land.
The process of generating .rtm files for them is just as with any other. But make sure to not binarize them with the people skeleton.
tacit karma
oh fuck no reyhard, please do, I wanna see the result ๐
halcyon wren
Treeple results ๐
stuck oyster
Animated parachutes.. Its a backback right? What kind of skeleton do they have? Animated backpacks would open up a whole new level for my project! ๐
white jay
i think the parachute is actually a helicopter and the player is the pilot of it :D
but don't quote me on that, just saw that somewhere
stuck oyster
Oh that could actually be right
woeful viper
add missiles to it^^
white jay
not sure how the jetpack mod was done tho
https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/194170-jetpack-v1/
woeful viper
i would guess attach to... >some helicopter drone thing<
white jay
because i think you can walk around and fly around seamlessly
hollow fulcrum
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stuck oyster
then it could be just some sort of set velocity thing and the backpack is static.
bright kraken
1 million dollar question, that might not even be answerable, If I was to increase a vehicles polycount from 50k to 60k, how much impact could this potentially have on performance?
ebon abyss
If I was going to shoot you in the face with 9mm 6 times instead of 5, how much impact could this potentially have on your health?
joking aside, back in arma2 VTE ach47 gunship was like 27k points and with proper optimization had no negative impact on performance. of course your example 50k is almost like twice as much but yeah.
bleak tangle
10k extra polygons really won't hurt, but what if every other person making models decided to add 10k more polygons? The more important thing is usually section count
bleak tangle
Some information about section count is also here https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Section_Count
However, I don't think some of it's correct, specifically the part about 20 copies of the exact same model requiring it's own sections
rough idol
what was the name of that new shadow type? visualx?
quick terrace
not really no
@outer condor sbsource = visualex
```I noticed some shadow LOD issues with a few buildings on Takistan so I thought I'd experiment with using the newer named property sbsource = visualex
If you hover over the image it shows the image using visualex http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/194845/picture:0
One issue it does introduce though is the shadow "banding" https://i.gyazo.com/241ea023801998c84221b3bbd9287301.jpg
Still fucking about with textures/rvmats http://i.imgur.com/LER6VqH.png
quick terrace
the lazynes... @cunning temple - google.com
rich scroll
he did say recommended
as in maybe someone here saw a good one which they would like to share ๐
woeful viper
@bleak tangle "However, I don't think some of it's correct, specifically the part about 20 copies of the exact same model requiring it's own sections"
Normally you need one drawcall for each object. And you get multiple drawcalls per objects based on for shadows or lighting. It will only reduce if there is batching in Arma - which would be good to know/ to find out how that works specifically
quick terrace
do you happen to know how generic that sort of question is
@rich scroll - ^
there are tons of tuts in N number of languages and styles for each individual software out there
from paid to free
rich scroll
he was just asking if anyone could recommend a tutorial for blender
it's not a strange question imo
quick terrace
good grief
terse elm
common guys this is not needed
rich scroll
you don't say
quick terrace
@rich scroll blender, just like max maya modo insert software is a complete package
when you ask for blender recommandation, you need to say what you wanna do with it to begin with
rich scroll
probably wants to make a model if he's asking in model_makers
quick terrace
is it basic navigation and dicking about with a cube, or is it HP modelling and LP retopo plus baking
lol, model what dude? structures, weapons, characters
is not the same ffs
yeah well, pavement is basically a box with a texture
i am not, and i really don't wanna sound like an ass, but it's hardly a modelling question to begin with
terse elm
Im supprised ppl dare ask questions in here anymore
quick terrace
i for one would use a sculpting tool plus something like substance painter
my bad, i'll let you answer the questions from now on @terse elm, just like you have been doing so far
terse elm
my hero
foggy finch
heheh
@cunning temple PuFu is quite correct btw,. however, while there's a ton of guides and I agree sifting through the poorer ones may take a bit of time,. its definately time worth spent looking for something more to your specfic requirements. It will take time to learn the in's & out's of the modeling side, then there is texturing,. rigging for which-ever engine you wanna put your creations in,. and the entire topic is so vast there is no such thing as a "one size fits all" guide. You will find guides on each unique part given a little bit of time doing some research on the web.
I'm sure even Pufu stumbles across interesting articles every now and then ๐
quick terrace
yeah of course i do, and i ussully search for very specific tutorials.
cunning temple
@foggy finch Thx for a better answer. Reddit seems to have a load of links and stuff so will start there. Think I'll leave this place well alone lol
foggy finch
I made a video of the picture I posted earlier for anyone interested -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBSCesV0s5A
outer condor
@quick terrace ty forwarded
terse elm
@foggy finch that jetpack looks mint
foggy finch
we totally need animated backpacks in a3 though,. using EH's to handle that stuff is a complete pita
thanks though ! ๐
halcyon wren
attachTo with support to have it attached to a bone. that would be great. ๐
wraith tendon
Wasn't attachTo + MemoryPoint possible? Or do i mix something in my memory
stuck oyster
does not rotate with rtm animations.
wraith tendon
Ah, rtm
stuck oyster
would need constant setvector up kind of thingy to keep it aligned
Only bone that attached stuff rotate with is the pelvis/origin bone
This was the cornerstone fingind to get our ManTank robots to work.
halcyon wren
Not only rtm, any bone. so a vehicle wheel for example.
foggy finch
think of the lego's ๐
stuck oyster
You are of course right @halcyon wren ! Mentioning rtm was related to man+attachTo, but same applies to other animations too
halcyon wren
Heh, got that project still stowed away somewhere.
stuck oyster
Those were brilliant! ๐
wraith tendon
Imagine what could be possible. So much bullshit โค
halcyon wren
Yup. AttachToBone and Underground LOD. ๐ค
foggy finch
and dont forget about terrain watermap @halcyon wren ๐
stuck oyster
VBS stuff. Dont bait the Arma ppl with that @halcyon wren . ๐
halcyon wren
To add to the list of things A3 needs: Scripted PhysX joints.
They were in the alpha, IIRC
stuck oyster
xD
wraith tendon
"Scripted PhysX joints." <- Yeah
And several ScriptingCommands ๐ฆ
Like: DisableUberExtremeHandbreak ๐
quaint otter
well the usual typos from the authors
there are some more that i filtered from the overview at the top
foggy finch
cool, thanks
outer condor
i plan to do it for all BI models since A1 ๐ผ
quick terrace
@outer condor nais!
outer condor
@rough idol
correct
(kudos goes to mikero/de3pd -g for the most part - i just post processed the output) (and the guy gave me APEX sources)
outer condor
(one correction - its just terrain assets of APEX; will do the remaining ones soon)
lilac lily
Hello, if anyone is interrested in doing some paid work for me regarding to moddeling and clothing in arma please dm me
quick terrace
hello, i am pretty sure you cannot really afford some true rates. ๐
dusky dragon
Especially @quick terrace 's rates, he askes about a can of beans per model ๐
hollow fulcrum
@foggy finch all pro man ๐
quick terrace
@dusky dragon and bi is the only beans monopoly out there
dusky dragon
Haha XD
lilac lily
@quick terrace Depends
quick terrace
@lilac lily on what?
lilac lily
What you're asking for it
hollow fulcrum
drags a chair across the floor and sits down...
wraith tendon
smiles and pushes the chair away while Hatchet is on the move to sit down
lavish mountain
an average modelers rate including all expences, rent of software and equipment is about 140-210USD/h? (that is internal! rate that has been used between divisions at my work)
hollow fulcrum
looks at Dscha ... continues past the chair..
@lilac lily It actually depends on what you're asking for ... details would be helpful.
lavish mountain
Is amased to see Hatchet sitting without chair
lilac lily
A friend of mine owns some models which we use in GTA 5, Vests etc. I am wondering if anyone here could help us out getting those into arma 3.
hollow fulcrum
stares at his ringing phone ... says, uno momento...
quick terrace
you close that phone, i'll call you right back....
wraith tendon
Can i call you?
hollow fulcrum
goes and sits in the chair after wrestling it away from Dscha...
lilac lily
guys I am asking for someone to do this paid if possible, I did not specify a limit so saying that i can't pay something cause it's too expensive is dumb and simply not true. If you guys can't or dont want to do it tell me now in stead of me having to waste time
quick terrace
- creating new content from scratch is expensive. 4 to 5 digits a pop
- injecting stuff and getting payed for it is now allowed using BI tools (no commercial use)
- what you wanna do sounds fishy to say the least.
my 2 cents
"a friend of a friend has done some assets for gta5 - the place where 90% of the assets are ripped - and i am willing to pay for someone to get these in for my future life community".
i am wrong with the above? put the links to the said content
lilac lily
The models we own are made from scratch, nothing ripped. And we are not primarily aiming to make a life mod with these assets.
quick terrace
fair enough, do put down the links then
wraith tendon
"primarily aiming" ๐
quick terrace
so, no links then?
hollow fulcrum
looks around the room, apparently not... get's up and walks out.
lilac lily
@quick terrace No, but we are already contacting the creator.
woeful viper
the next scum who gives life mods the bad rep... nothing to see here
quick terrace
too late
wraith tendon
crunching popcorn
serene brook
So, I hate to come all the way back, but how do I import textures into blender?
hollow fulcrum
<< does not blender
however, i would like to think there are lots of guides out for that. i'd assume it involves creating a material and linking your 'textures' to that. no clue, where those buttons are.
wispy orchid
if you use arma toolbox for blender, the texture needs to be applied to a / as material. That's as far as my very limited knowledge goes.
serene brook
I'm very lost with it all, I'd like to have just the example test (MX) rifle to learn how to use these things, but it shows up as a grey shape.
Also, giant triangles
hollow fulcrum
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serene brook
pls hlp gg no re
Yeah, And I can't decide whether or not i should use Object Builder or Blender...Blender seems friendlier
hollow fulcrum
goes back to modelling bomb rack foo..
i'll help you out there and say for sure use blender fcr everything you can. you will have to one way or the other though, overcome the learning curve. it's just real.
serene brook
Yeah, and it is quite a learning curve.
So, say I have a test rifle sitting here in blender. Got arma tools, got arma samples.
I have three large flat triangles and no textures. What do I do next?
wispy orchid
zoom in til you see the rifle and not only the proxies
serene brook
The triangles are proxies? And they join the rifle on the muzzle
wispy orchid
yeah, the muzzle flashes and what not are all proxies. I'm really not an expert there, though
serene brook
Ohhh that's what they are? That makes alot of sense. Do I leave them there and work around them?
And where are the tuextures and how do i add them>
Man I cannot type today
wispy orchid
they need to be materials, not sure any longer where the button resides
but in blender there's a texture and material button, use the latter one
wispy orchid
everytime I startup blender I tend to watch the same tutorial videos and manual again and again. I never put so much time into it to come proficient with it. You need to convert the paa textures to png or jpg with texview
wispy orchid
I recommend to start with something very simple. like giving the funny starting cube a different texture on each side and export it to p3d with arma toolbox and save it with object builder and view it in game.
this reduces your dependencies a lot
serene brook
You know, that's probably a very good idea
I am moving a bit faster than I should...
wispy orchid
kind of tempting, you don't want to mod cubes ๐
serene brook
Yeah, but you're right, small steps
Thanks!
From here on I should probably consult the Basic Blender tutorials
hollow fulcrum
generally speaking we're all just here to help. but there is kind of an expectation that you push yourself through the basics. you will certainly need the people here once you get the basics down. again, welcome to the inferno ๐
serene brook
Yes, and that is my fault. I'll do some learning and see where I end up
hollow fulcrum
it's all good. keep at it. ๐
serene brook
@hollow fulcrum What was that about an inferno?
hollow fulcrum
expression: such as, feet first into the fire. ๐
lavish mountain
Yeah dont be like me and stick 400 hours into a model to conclude that it al may very well be for nothing
Start of the right way, in moddeling software and not drawingsoftware
hollow fulcrum
ArmA all in all compared to many other engines is actually a little more complicated. but at the end of the day it is still just a matter of learning the process. many of us have been here for a long time.. and still don't know everything there is to know. not even close in my own case.
there is much to learn, and starting with your primary tool is certainly the place to start. hang around long enough and you'll understand the fire bit, completely.
serene brook
I meant that, yes, after about 5 hours of videos and making an alarm clock, I can feel the fire XD