#Fix reputation and ban abuser

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gloomy hazel
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EU1 2026-04-11 Tension fight Spain vs Kai

This one was pretty bad since the Traders blocked the harbor, so you couldn't even leave the port

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EU1 2026-04-10 Tension Fight Spain vs Kai

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EU1 2026-04-17 Tension Fight Spain vs Kai

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If you look at the Screens and Videos it is easy to spot whick kind of people are abusing the Reputation mechanic.

ruby parcel
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The ones who pay real money for peace truce/flag in pvp waters

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Probably they're repeating Z.0. """""dupping""""" actions to have huracans, but devs wont reject money whale this time

exotic portal
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Don't see any one abusing the reputation system, Just see some neutral / trade union blokes joining in for pvp. Ya know the same way they show up at all the pirate ports

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stray orchid
# exotic portal Don't see any one abusing the reputation system, Just see some neutral / trade u...

Abuse or not, trade guild participation in general sucks. It takes forever for the system to register them as actual threats, and even if it works red marking them on the first attack, it means you can't attack them unless they attack you specifically. In port battles it's pretty easy to see who's friend/foe, and anybody not participating in the port battle shouldn't be combat flagged near a port battle.

It's why I think if you're trade guild in a port battle area you should turn orange, and military faction members dont lose rep since you're pvp flagged within port battle waters.

topaz skiff
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Have to agree, SPN is infamous for griefing AER at devios atleast every other day, same with PL guild.

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Players would rather start doing the same toxic acts than move forward and do something else.

ruby parcel
topaz skiff
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You try to make some elaborate post but AER itself has been fighting trade guilds a lot longer than GTA's been around.

ruby parcel
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Chn hitting AER? Arent you on the same side?

topaz skiff
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No

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They're neutral

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I bet it feels great knowing you get pirate rep so easily, when I have to go sink 20 of you for 3 reputation.

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The reputation gain off sinking pirates isn't even 50/50. I was helping Wootie for 7 hours killing pirates and it's 10x faster to just do quests.

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Yet we get one fake green dude board us and lose on purpose and we lose 15-20 reputation

ruby parcel
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🤔

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The system is messed up, no matter the complaint or side I read

topaz skiff
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I agree completely, it's why i made that post during event.

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It's a dice roll on how much rep is lost, the fact that you can lose over 50 reputation from defending yourself from 4 players and winning is dumb as rocks.

ruby parcel
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I really dont know how devs read or work on this. I cannot code, but same as event was a copy from christmas, dunno how easy its to change such parameters

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Sadly devs feedbacks feels like a bad joke

topaz skiff
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If it were me, players just pick a side

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remove reputation as a whole

ruby parcel
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Lot of plenty of really good ideas and improvements for the game are getting dust without an answer

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Some easy to apply, others not

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I personally found flotilla more fun

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Reputation its just a color in the health bar

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And I could kill/help whoever I want with almost no punishment from mechanics

topaz skiff
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WOSB desperately needs an active community manager that speaks with devs and intertwines themselves between the playerbase and devs

stray orchid
# ruby parcel I really dont know how devs read or work on this. I cannot code, but same as eve...

If they have decoy flags which change the properties of a ship based on the location of the ship, plus a way to change the color of a ship (which also affects rep loss) then they could change how trade union flags work to change rep loss based on location, then hook it up with whatever the thing that makes the map show port battle (the expanding circles) around that port so that it only changes when an active port battle is happening and then it works (as long as the game isn't spaghetti coded). Idk I can't see the code so it's all speculation, and it would still take time to code, but I don't see there being any large roadblocks for development.

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plus im pretty sure decoy flags use the same areas around ports that port battles do

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torn basalt
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We having the same issue on eu1 with a trade union guild
They keep ramming and lowering our reputation, some members got kicked out of the guild already.

Please fix the negative reputation by actively doing damage, even when we dont shoot or dont move, we still get a huge pentalty.

All we can do now is support this post and report the reputation abusers???

topaz skiff
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Players have realized as a whole that there's faults in the system and are taking advantage of it on all sides, this co-aligns with griefing and abuse of game mechanics. Either change the mechanics of your game or expect to continually lose traction in your playerbase as players keep abusing the system and forcing you to waste resources on punishing players. It's strategically a smart move for players to continue doing so they'll just keep doing it without fault. This happens all the time in other games where players will work the edges of the rules set and gain an advantage. Do something.

ruby parcel
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(I personally never got interested in port battles, just opensea pvp without punishment, so pirate or flotilla its my best option)

topaz skiff
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Players have stopped preventing tension gain because so many neutral factions show up to fight them that are allied with Spain.

thick canopy
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Tension fights are not fun anymore

trim mantle
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what KFC is doing thats not fun anymore my guild members lost allot of reputation they ramming us and they gonna die so we lost allot of rep points and lost some members because of that i hopa the game makers will do somthing about that

ruby parcel
torn basalt
ruby parcel
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Well, the other option would be leaving your tag and guilds away and join into just one faction to fight back the enormous amount of asian players who only plays for spain, a big coalition to fight back using their same tricks and tactics until they cry to devs and then they do something

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But

"😢 please devs, fix this"

wont win agaisnt

" 😎 💰 I enjoy the game the way it is"

torn basalt
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That doesnt make much sense, doing the same as they do. that will surely kill the whole game instead of a big part of the game.

Anyone else suggestions?

ruby parcel
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We all want this to be fixed, but we are not naive to think people will just stop doing such dirty tricks

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So fighting fire with fire until devs apply water

stray orchid
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There are a lot of problems around port battles that needs to be fixed but I think there’s a change they want to make to them. Probably not something coming this season tho if I had to guess

ruby parcel
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I prefer to have the game fixed that new content

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Talking about priorities

trim mantle
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<@&1053533792293363725> you can do some thing about that pls

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Dear developers, something needs to be done, and those responsible should be held accountable.

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@warm acorn @candid eagle @final jacinth @tulip harbor
Please give us an answer: when do you plan to fix the issue with traders?
Why are traders able to reduce city tension against other factions without any penalties?

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The tickets have been open for almost a month now, and there have been no answers.
Traders are doing whatever they want without any consequences.
Please finally do something about this.

warm acorn
# sacred socket <@1040558223175991320> <@417385990630670345> <@765146424261869581> <@44479702906...

Hello, everyone! We clearly deal with specific cases via support, not feedback

As for the question – we plan to work on the tension system, but it's a very complicated matter. We need to be cautious in changes.

Sorry I can't give you anything more precise on the matter, but I will send this feedback to the people responsible for this feature. I will make sure the team understands the situation.

sacred socket
# warm acorn Hello, everyone! We clearly deal with specific cases via support, not feedback ...

Complaints about the actions of traders have been coming in for a long time.
We understand that fully reworking the tension and reputation system is difficult, and that such changes cannot be properly implemented in a short period of time. However, we are asking you to do at least what is already within your power right now.
We are talking about cases where certain players from the trader faction deliberately place their small ships in front of ships belonging to players from military factions. This is being used to artificially lower the reputation of military players. In essence, this is an abuse of game mechanics.
We ask you to take action against the most persistent offenders, and also to officially remind players that intentional abuse of mechanics is punishable and may lead to consequences.
We have been dealing with this problem ever since some traders started feeling completely untouchable. Situations where a trader ship deliberately places itself in front of a ship of the line happen regularly — if not every day, then certainly about once every few days.
As a result, military players receive huge reputation penalties. Literally 2–3 such collisions with trader ships create serious problems and force players to spend around an hour restoring their reputation instead of actually playing the game.
We all want to play the game, take part in battles, and develop the server — not waste time on pointless farming and reputation recovery because of deliberate provocations. Therefore, we ask you to pay attention to this problem and take action at least against the obvious and systematic cases of abuse.

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Thank you for your feedback. We hope this issue will be reviewed and that concrete measures will be taken to address it.

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ruby parcel
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Such hotfix/ parameter change shouldnt be slow or hard to apply

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Meanwhile, game dies

odd patrol
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one little change and you can solve the problem... few hours (you can decide should it be 6-4-2) before attack window and while attack window is opened, there is no reputation penalty for sinking trade union players... they can go to area where fight is but with risk of getting sunk. Their right is to help someone, to take a side, but without other side getting penalties for sinking them.

torn basalt
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The point of the trade union is to be trading with factions and avoid pirates, if pvp needs to happen in trade union its SUPPOSE to be only vs pirates, right?
Why is the opportunity in the game for trade union to mix in conflicts between 2 factions?
They want to trade thats why they choose trade union right?

What if you fully turn off pvp damage, between trade union and factions?
So trade union and factions cannot damage eachother?

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Would there be any downside to that?
Or even disabling it temporary until a more suitable fix has arrived?

stray orchid
# torn basalt The point of the trade union is to be trading with factions and avoid pirates, i...

In theory, trade guilds should pretty much just be PVE. In practice, that's not exactly the case. Many guilds (even pirate guilds) have secondary trade guilds for more casual players. A lot of times people from those trade guilds want to help either attack or defend during port battles. Other times, independent trade guilds form alliances with military factions or pirates to give their members that want to do port battles somewhere to be. Would it fix the problem? yeah kinda, but at the cost of reducing opportunities for trade guilds. Trade guilds would still be able to help attack/defend against pirates but if you're aligned with pirates the likelihood of a pirate v pirate fight is very low. I think it's better to just start on a long term fix for the problem rather than changing something that's going to change again.

torn basalt
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According to the lore and description of the factions, the trade union would never help pirates.
They wont ever need to build tension, they are not PvP'ers.
They can probably help in port battles as part of a trusted faction alliance.
But port battles can be tackled different since that happens in an instance enviroment, not in open-world.

stray orchid
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The majority of trade guild pvp happens during tension. A non-MIL/pirate faction cannot load into instanced port battles.

torn basalt
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There is no point to be trade union and be helping any faction at all, i doubt it would hurt the game when disabling 'friendly fire' for trade union, which means they can only damage other trade union guilds and pirates.

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If they want to be allied to a faction and do trading, they just join that faction and go under peace flag. simple

stray orchid
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Im just saying what a lot of trade guilds do, not what they should be doing. The reality is that factions are not as separate as they're made out to be within the game. If you want to argue that trade guilds shouldn't be in port battles (tension or instanced) at all, then sure but I don't think many people in trade guilds would be happy with that. I don't really care if trade guilds are at my port battles because it really doesn't make a difference what they're called. They just need to be able to pick a side so that nobody on the opposing team is punished for sinking trade guild ships during port battles.

torn basalt
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Idc about the port battles, they are instanced, the abusers are abusing the system in open-world...

stray orchid
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Yeah, in open world during tension fights, if they're able to pick a side then it should be fine. Either through individual choice, or as a guild aligning with a specific faction so that during port battle you're effectively of that faction.

ruby parcel
stray orchid
ruby parcel
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Trade union should dissapear, and be like pve guilds for factions, deleting all this nonsense of reputation bug battles

topaz skiff
oblique plover
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Reputation abuse is still used by neutral players to lower military faction reputation

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sacred socket
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Dear developers, do you understand that your inaction is destroying faction guilds?

Why are you doing nothing about this? Why, on the RU server before Steam, did you ban people for this kind of behavior, but here you do not?

Do you understand that it is your fault that these pseudo-traders behave this way?

Please do something already. Do you understand that reputation can be lost in 5 minutes, but it takes hours to farm it back? People are burning out because of this and leaving the game.

At least ban the most shameless pseudo-traders who are intentionally draining faction reputation.

Do something at last, because by the time an update comes out to regulate trader guilds on the server, there may be no people left because of this.
@warm acorn @candid eagle @final jacinth @tulip harbor
And please watch the video above.

gloomy hazel
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KFC is doing this now for weeks, Devs don't care

ruby parcel
gloomy hazel
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i have opened more than 1k Chest, so probably, but sure not in the current state

ruby parcel
gloomy hazel
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since i paly this game i know

oblique plover
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@warm acorn we got another two allied kicked out of their guild after being reputation bombed by KFC

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ticket are already being sent

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as dev team asked

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there are video in this topic, video in the tickets

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you should have logs

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perma ban these players if you don't want to fix the problem

zinc gale
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I'm for IP bans for this toxic behavior, removal of the reputation system altogether, or allowing guilds to set diplomacy as they wish.

gloomy hazel
oblique plover
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another guild mate kicked

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slate plume
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Unreal

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cosmic eagle
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Who cares about what the lore says what the traders should and shouldn’t do? All I hear is people crying about their losses. If you can’t win with in the rules, instead of crying about the rules why not get better at the game?

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You think the east India company didn’t fight? This is a dynamic game, how different guilds interact to gain an upper hand is a huge part of it. If all you want is to have your skills expressed into in game performance play tournament and stay away from PBs or military factions.

vast condor
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This is exactly the core issue with the current endgame. The low game and progression on smaller ships feel amazing, but hitting this wall later on ruins the experience. Using small Trade Union ships to intentionally ram military players and exploit the reputation trap is hurting the active player base.

It takes away the fun when players have to waste hours restoring reputation due to deliberate provocations, while the abuser risks nothing. The system might be complicated to fully rework, but we really need a temporary hotfix to stop this abuse. Please look into this, the community just wants a fair battlefield. To give you a clear example, this exact issue has practically killed clan, DND. It is almost impossible for us to play normally when we are constantly rammed by neutral factions, which are weaponized against us. We are losing our active member base simply because the current mechanics allow for this unplayable environment.

sacred socket
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I understand that maybe we are talking to a wall, but I am asking you to make at least a temporary solution to prevent the situations that are happening right now.
Traders who throw themselves under military ships are ruining the game. There is nothing we can do about them, while people are getting kicked from guilds and burning out because the developers are doing nothing about it here and now.
We need an immediate temporary measure, not only promises that something may be fixed later.
@warm acorn @candid eagle @final jacinth @tulip harbor

proven scaffold
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2 to 3 guild members always on warning to be kicked because some guy from neutral faction try to kill him or rammed him and there only crime was they defended themselves please fix the rep and reduce rep to join guild from 33 to 15

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lucid hawk
oblique plover
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ah the great asian community on EU

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@tulip harbor still tolerated, isn't it? why is ok for them to ruin your game?

ruby parcel
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and we lost one more member today, because @tulip harbor and his supporters don't do shit against griefers 😄 the support in this game is a joke 😄

lucid hawk
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Support team will have no control over development, but we could definitely have a chat with dev lead and project manager. This issue has been going on for a very long time, and it's always the same people doing it, they should at least get banned for a very long time.

lucid hawk
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YAY again more KFC suiciding into me, can we just permaban this cancer of a guild?

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sacred socket
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@warm acorn @candid eagle @final jacinth @tulip harbor
Dear Community Managers,
I am asking you not to ignore this issue.
I understand that matters like this may not be directly within your area of responsibility. Unfortunately, technical support responds very slowly, and in the current situation we effectively have no one else to turn to.
Our faction is facing a systematic attack from so-called “pseudo-traders.” These players deliberately hunt our members, provoke collisions, and intentionally get themselves killed by our players so that our players lose reputation. It seems that the goal of these actions is to force our players to leave their guilds or make it impossible for them to participate in the game normally.
A huge number of complaints have already been submitted regarding this issue. If we count reports from each guild, there are probably dozens, if not hundreds, of them. However, the situation continues, and these players keep abusing the reputation mechanics.
We ask you to pay attention to this problem and take real action. First of all, please investigate the actions of these accounts and block the players who are intentionally draining other players’ reputation through this kind of abuse.

oblique plover
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Daily abuser. Why still no action taken?

Another ticket sent ID: PGBZEL

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lucid hawk
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I am done with this cancer

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F U C K this game

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I am going pirate, thanks for RUINING MY FKIN EXPERIENCE by not fixing ANYTHING AT ALL

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I repeat, F U C K this game

cosmic eagle
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Maybe it’s time to play nice with traders and stop being a bully just because you have a bigger ship. Working as intended in my opinion. You clearly did something to piss someone off or ur guild.

lucid hawk
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I was unprovoked attacked by those garbage players while killing a legendary. But don't worry, switching to a more "inclusive" flag soon enough since playing in faction is not possible.
Also crazy work you were able to come to such conclusion despite posted evidence but seeing what kind of players roam around, I shouldn't be surprised.

cosmic eagle
# lucid hawk I was unprovoked attacked by those garbage players while killing a legendary. Bu...

You are ITA right? I sunk near grey island farming slaves and came back out for my drop, you guys came out with a hura and a nep shooting at me saying the loot is yours and then sinking me. That’s pretty scummy behavior, I didn’t do any rep bombing because I was able to fight back and sunk 3 of your ships plus a pirate. If I were a small trading guild I would probably consider rep bombing.

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Not saying I’m good or anything just saying there is probably good reason why y’all getting this rep bombing. Cuz ur rep is trash, like irl.

sacred socket
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Guy, you are talking some nonsense.
This topic was created because traders either come to build tension and fight military factions, or they come on small rank 5–7 ships and ram into ships from military guilds to drain their reputation.
Both things are complete nonsense and are destroying military factions and guilds. Traders have already started receiving account bans for actions like this.
Yes, the developers react very slowly, but based on my tickets, 3 people have already been sent to “rest.”
The next one we are waiting to see banned is the whole KFC guild 🤣

cosmic eagle
# sacred socket Guy, you are talking some nonsense. This topic was created because traders eithe...

Bud, I’m talking facts. What y’all did and why rep bomb happens. The post is titled fix reputation bombing. not why traders should participate in pvp. I understand that the post might be too long and gave you stack overflow. You have no control or visibility on who gets banned or for what. All you can do is put in tickets like a report warrior. So I don’t know why anyone should listen to you on this. Yeah this is y’all, being scum, loses, report, and repeat. Reputation is a mechanic in game, regardless of how it is intended, the players only used it as it is currently in game, and shouldn’t be penalized for it. If the mechanic is a problem fix that. That’s my opinion which I think is a much more mature perspective on the issue than you crying and moaning about you getting players banned.

sacred socket
# cosmic eagle Bud, I’m talking facts. What y’all did and why rep bomb happens. The post is tit...

The argument “it’s just a game mechanic” stopped working the moment the developers themselves confirmed that intentionally ramming players to drain reputation is against the rules.

There is a huge difference between using a mechanic normally and deliberately abusing it to bypass intended gameplay and punish other players outside of actual PvP.

If traders accidentally lose reputation during real gameplay — that is one thing.
But bringing low-rank ships only to ram military players and force rep loss is obvious abuse of the system. The developers already recognized this by issuing bans.

Yes, the mechanic itself should be fixed. Nobody argues with that.
But until it is fixed, intentionally abusing it is still rule-breaking. “The game allows it” is not a valid defense when the administration already considers it punishable behavior.

Otherwise, by that logic, every exploit in every online game would be acceptable until patched, which is obviously nonsense.

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Actually, I do understand what can get someone banned and what cannot. This is where you are wrong.
Be sure that everyone who intentionally tries to abuse the game mechanics will eventually face an account ban.
I’m not going to argue with you about this, because it is pointless.

cosmic eagle
sacred socket
# cosmic eagle if devs are penalizing people for this then I also disagree with that. I don’t t...

And that is your opinion, which you are free to have.

I also agree that the mechanic itself should be redesigned properly instead of relying on bans forever. But while the mechanic exists in its current form, intentionally abusing it to harm other players is still punishable — and the developers already confirmed that through their actions.

I never claimed to be a developer or moderator. I’m speaking based on the actual results we already see: tickets reviewed, players punished, and cases confirmed by support.

At the end of the day, people can keep arguing on the forum, but bans are what define where the line actually is.

topaz skiff
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I still firmly believe that the reputation system is washed and players should just choose what faction they want to be apart of.

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Grinding reputation is obnoxious, no veteran pvp player enjoys grinding it back.

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I've known some gold tournament players that refuse to get back on just because they have to re-grind their reputation system.

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I've considered making a mark and explaining to all Mil factions to all go pirate for one season because of the reputation core issues that still exist that have brought the playerbase down by 30-40% in the last 2 months.

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You physically can't ignore this if your entire playerbase goes pirate and military factions get no just treatment for this behavior.

oblique plover
# topaz skiff You physically can't ignore this if your entire playerbase goes pirate and milit...

I see you got AER tag, I don't know if you play on EU. On EU are mostly the spanish affiliate trade unions who are abusing the mechanism (kor, KFC, Chn, unpronunciable chinese guilds, etc).

Many Kai guilds (so far the most targeted guilds), already stop playing, we are not contesting anything, while spanish keeps playing freely and take over the whole map.

I know there are many fair and good players/guilds in spanish but I don't understand why aren't you stopping your own ally abusing

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by your ally

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I lost many good mates cuz they ragequitted after get abused 2-3 times

topaz skiff
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Don't get us wrong, AER lost quite a few players for a time as well from neutrals bombing into us.

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Those players were punished as well.

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pirate alt trade guilds and antilla alt guilds

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# topaz skiff I still firmly believe that the reputation system is washed and players should j...

I like this solution, though I'd add that traders/neutrals should still have reputation enabled. Make it to where they require rep with factions for better discounts or such while any damage to allied or neutral vessels lowers their rep.

It would give them an extra mechanic to work around, though it would still require ways to prevent factions from targetting flagged traders directly or rep bombing them intentionally.

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topaz skiff
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I'm not worried about anything, the games dead in my eyes already

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When i get on after work there's 400 players online, not even worth me logging in.

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topaz skiff
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You seem to be confused, we're not telling anyone to go and do this personally. I agree that they should be banned.

oblique plover
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I can ask the same question to some guilds in Antilia ofcs

topaz skiff
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That goes below my morals

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topaz skiff
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AER has a sub guild no alt trade guilds

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Also, i can tell you with certainty that nobody in spain is telling these trade unions to do this.

oblique plover
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I'm speaking about factions, not you or AER personally

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ofc

topaz skiff
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I help moderate the entire spanish discord

oblique plover
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IF you keep alt guilds as trade union, YOU ARE doing that

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my alt is in military faction

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why spanish aren't?

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Don't you understand it is part of the main problem (the reputation mechanics)?

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if militaries guilds impose to their trade union alt guilds to not partecipate in faction wars the problem won't be stand

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This behavior served your purposes. Now the map is yours and the game too. Enoy.

topaz skiff
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Hopefully they end up doing guild wipes if the guild is made up entirely of these types of players.

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similar to Z.O

narrow pier
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As i saw i think you not undestand the thing that ala explained to you and i make it short:
Since Most of trade unions cooperate with spain (don't lie,i have my fonts and my personal research on that,cause is just unexplainable why traders aren't competitive between eachother), why the ONES that does reputation abuse or even joins in any pvp activities(i don't care if was by their initiative or ordered by someone) keep doing that in your side instead of just taking the distance from them? This is the thing that we are all wandering;
Of course there are traders affiliated to antilia and to pirates that does that too,but because they followed the example just to repay to you with the same medicine and that is leading to server death,because no one wants to join to military factions(except spain because have the most "trade unions" that cooperate with them) that regularry joins into pvp activities and denies content to everyone.
Now i know that you will go classical answer "we are dealing with that" but for half of it isn't true, i still see wall of traders in spain and antilian cities that even you can't make a port battle, you have to be forced to ask to the guilds that owns the port to make the port battle and MAYBE they can grant you it,so this leads to no content,neither a tension.
So my question will remain the same,why aren't you dealing with that by taking the distances from these guilds that does this?

rancid anchor
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Join the pirates, everyone. We have no reputation issues, but Spain won't let you download ports. They're afraid, God forbid, they'll be wiped out in 10 minutes on San Martinas. Just remove the PvP flags from the merchants. The pirates have enough to beat.

cosmic eagle
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I don’t really like making sweeping changes for specific problems. Rep was probably put in as a solution to another problem in the past and removing it will bring them out again.

Maybe we can come up with something to mitigate effects of rep bombing as supposed to removing it entirely.

The problem is that people are able to spam rep bombing on a single person and the cost for gaining rep back up is high. So that rep bombing is very cost efficient.

So we can do two things to mitigate this: make rep reduction less spammable, and make gaining rep easier.

To make rep reduction less spammable: for the rep bomb receiver we can make rep loss only occur on unique traders sunk. And have it reset after a period. For the rep bomber, we can lower the integrity count for the smaller ships and drive up cost in both time to repair and costs, I understand the cost may not be too impactful, but alongside the time cost of repairs, even 5 mins. Will incrementally make rep bombing less approachable.

To make gaining rep easier: we can make rep gaining easier by for example making mil players gain faction rep passively while covering distance with faction colors. Maybe 5 rep per 2500 distance travelled.

The over all effect would be that the only way a player would get rep bombed out of a faction and guild, is from a coordinated effort of multiple unique player over multiple days constantly and repeated targeting one player. And that one receiving player was cooperatively sitting there not moving or doing anything to gain back rep.

Or the player being rep bombed was intentionally killing random unique traders across multiple days, which is no longer rep bombing.

cosmic eagle
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Besides I thought they already have a system where the aggressor from a ramming was decided based on velocity. All u gotta do is stop and won’t lose rep. Is this not how it’s supposed to work?

oblique plover
topaz skiff
# narrow pier As i saw i think you not undestand the thing that ala explained to you and i mak...

You're referencing a multitude of different things in one post and we're talking about abusive players that are ramming mil factions for rep loss resulting in kicks. Not whatever your rant is going on about. All of Spain had a meeting and we've all came to agreement if we see guilds reportedly ramming players for the sole purpose of rep loss and griefing that we would inevitably remove them from spain if they're tied with them. AKA, if AER has a main guild in spain and if we had an alt guild in trade union going around griefing we would remove the main guild from spain as punishment.

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yes, of course we ally with trade union as far as your other worry. Why wouldn't we ally with trade unions? We're a military faction, we're not supposed to sink them on sight like most pirates do, we get nothing but rep loss for it. It makes more sense to have agreements and friendly situations than watching other factions make them and feeling like we have nothing.

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Coming from Spain it sounds more like trade unions want nothing to do with antilla and kai because of bad relations, maybe you're poorly structured on a diplomatic stance for other groups? Sounds more like you need to talk with your representatives than coming here complaining that trade unions want nothing to do with you?..

narrow pier
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About poorly diplo relation,i can say that we reached some trade unions and unfortunely they are already affiliated with spain OR are guilds that were in spain and that just wants to keep play as spain

oblique plover
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most of trade union are alt guilds of spain. just look at asian trade union ^^

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Diplo has nothing to do with it

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and I didn't see u kick any of the asian abuser

narrow pier
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but with the benefits of trade union,i'm not stupid and also as he said,most of them are chinese guild that "Casually" are affiliated with spain

narrow pier
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is an actual distorted usage of trade union

topaz skiff
narrow pier
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but isn't the matter of my answers,cause you didn't gave me one yet,only yea we had a meeting with whole spain about that, but nothing that is really done

oblique plover
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the most active abusers

topaz skiff
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you said alt guilds, they're not alt guilds

oblique plover
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and still able to help you

topaz skiff
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they have their own entity

narrow pier
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and i can say,only spain and antilia does that

topaz skiff
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why do you think sou went pirate

oblique plover
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right

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spanish logic

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keep fighting with them

topaz skiff
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who's abusing what system?

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give me a name to work with

narrow pier
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chinese trade unions?TuR?Chn

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i can go into the space with names

oblique plover
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look at this thread

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lol

topaz skiff
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if TuR is abusing methods to grief and lower your reputation by ramming we'll remove them from the faction simple as.

narrow pier
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the reputation abusa was made by KFC,LBS and mostly

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by all trade union that comes with you to defend tension

topaz skiff
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We're not affilitiated with KFC at all

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they're not on any friendly list with spain

narrow pier
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but "casually" are with you

topaz skiff
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Some trade unions we literally pay to help defend ports

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If i see KFC myself i'll sink them myself

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because i know they grief

narrow pier
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so i expect you kick LBS from spain so

topaz skiff
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if LBS does infact do this then yes, we will.

narrow pier
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or even detach all the trades that you pay to defend port

oblique plover
topaz skiff
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When was this?

oblique plover
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few days ago?

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you keep doing that since months

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lol

topaz skiff
oblique plover
topaz skiff
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Bro, if we have a meeting on a topic we can't go back weeks or months and slap on the wrist for that that's dumb as shit

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you have a discussion with the individual and end it, if it happens again then we kick

oblique plover
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it's few days ago

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enforce your rules

topaz skiff
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That's like yelling at your dog for pooping in the neighbors yard days ago

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We had the meeting yesterday.

narrow pier
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exactly 25th of May

oblique plover
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we can sto here, you have your proof

narrow pier
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but that doesn't explain why since months they just bombed "casually" kai player,or mostly kai

oblique plover
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now we can see if you enforce it

narrow pier
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and i can even say that LBS bombed antilia too

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and now they moved to spain,not kinda good for balance

topaz skiff
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I can only reiterate that we can warn the individual guilds that do this, if it happens more via alt guilds be it flotilla or trade union then we can enforce it fully. Far as im aware all of LBS will be in spain shortly.

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So you'll no longer be losing rep from them

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I can try and figure out what guild KFC has ties with but i don't think they have any ties with spain

oblique plover
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aged like fine wine, not even 40 mins

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topaz skiff
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What?

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Okay i'll put it as plainly as possible for you since you're not understanding what im saying.

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Give me a new up-to-date report of a guild doing these acts so i can do something about it since Spain JUST had their meeting yesterday.

oblique plover
topaz skiff
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That's not up to date.

oblique plover
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so you accept it till today

topaz skiff
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Yes.

oblique plover
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that's enough said ^^

topaz skiff
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Anything after our meeting is an example

oblique plover
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enjoy

topaz skiff
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so today, tomorrow, the next day and all of season 4.

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40+ leadership roles from all of spain agreed on it.

oblique plover
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I'm happy to know that your morality wake up at the end of the season, after months of abuse

topaz skiff
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We verified that issues were coming and hitting server health badly, we always have seasonal meetings at the end to prepare for the next season.

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I already warned LBS privately that if it happens more they know the repercussions

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It's also effected AER, we lost 2 commodores and multiple other players for quite some time because of SPN griefing us for around a month.

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It's not just you. 🙂

oblique plover
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yeah but you tolerated, we didn't

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that's the difference

topaz skiff
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Not inheritely.

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There's a reason why my reputation post had over 100 upvotes

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Getting instantly kicked for 4 players hitting us is dramatic

oblique plover
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but abusing it during tension is ok till today. event not ok. tension ok

topaz skiff
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He had to go pirate for a time to reset his reputation

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We never enforced a rule about tension

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only the ramming and griefing

lucid hawk
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I already posted pics, and it was so bad I couldn't do anything at all. Funny gaming experience with Apostolov that I cannot logout, dock or even alt f4. I went with SIN to kill EVERY damn trader I see, especially LBS with a burning hatred.
I think they turned me into a much bigger problem for themselves.

topaz skiff
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We pay trader unions to defend certain ports and traders also like to defend our ports because they make the most money off of spanish ports being so close to their own trader cities.

lucid hawk
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So you use trade unions as military factions in disguise

topaz skiff
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No?

oblique plover
lucid hawk
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You literally just said you pay them to defend, that's what a military faction does

topaz skiff
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Far as im aware we're not having them join us on attacks

oblique plover
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to join tension

topaz skiff
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No

oblique plover
topaz skiff
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you said tension

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there's a difference between paying them to defend a port and to attack a port

oblique plover
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no?

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it's still tension

narrow pier
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I think that should be discussed in #1460945658520408213

oblique plover
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@topaz skiff what you said today marks Spain's involvement with reputation abuse

lucid hawk
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Attack/defend is what a military faction does. A TRADE union guess what, it TRADES

topaz skiff
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So you don't think a trader union should defend the city that makes them the most profit?

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That's the entire reason why masadora, west bastion and devios makes the money it does.

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Because of trade union

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What sense would it make that trade union doesn't defend tension and suddenly they're all owned by pirates which messes with trade union profits

lucid hawk
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That's military faction task, and traders can trade regardless of it being spanish, antilia or kai. Pirates I can understand it a little more but even still, military job.

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This is straight up abusing the system to either get people kicked from factions and/or preventing port battles by having loads of "irrelevant" ships interfering with military matters

oblique plover
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I don't know why are you discussing this. it's clear to everyone but spanish side

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you even open a topic about it, but when it's about your ports it's ok. You don't think it's hypocritical?

topaz skiff
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When did i open a topic about it?

oblique plover
topaz skiff
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I opened that strictly defend the hundreds of players being kicked from all factions due to the trade union guilds sending waves of players at all mil factions, GaretX was one of the players that got kicked from kai he can back me up on that regard. A large portion of spain was hit as well and antilla.

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Events are our haven for highest player count and having a "pvp event" hinder the game's mechanics of reputation system was a huge blunder.

oblique plover
topaz skiff
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Spanish suffered the most, what are you on about

oblique plover
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you even pay them

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to sink our reputations during tension

topaz skiff
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Now you're just using blanket statements

oblique plover
topaz skiff
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Have we paid somebody in the past? Yes, do we still pay them, no.

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I see no issue with discussing diplomacy and politics while paying for services with trader unions because it's a trade agreement essentially.

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When it comes to major griefing with small boats ramming, that's a different story.

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@oblique plover

silver rain
topaz skiff
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Correct.

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Taking avenues to fight the pirate zerg when they were peaking is smart politics

oblique plover
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I'm happy you have change your mind about support abusers

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maybe game won't die next season

topaz skiff
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I do not enjoy the game's health currently and all of spain agrees

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we purposely try not to win all the port battles and fights

oblique plover
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sadly you sinked EU

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but i'm happy you will change in the future

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we will see

silver rain
# oblique plover you did it.

Hold up now, when we were losing ports ecc ecc, and kai and pirates were working hand in hand and yall were shit talking spain, it was good then? But when we retaliated and brought both pirates and kai to the ground yall complain, make it make sense

oblique plover
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also 40 leaders meeting make you understand what level of zergs there is

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but keep doing it, don't worry

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I'm just sad about the state of the game, that's all

silver rain
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So lets get facts straight here, stop complaining with “ we are bleeding players” and think rationally why are pirates and other guilds quitting (1 cause of content ok good make your own content, 2 you are weak minded)

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At the end of the day players quit cause they are too weak minded.

topaz skiff
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Our structured discussions lead me to believe that antilla and kai and pirates fail solely because of bad leadership

lucid hawk
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As pirate we're still losing in numbers massively against spain and their traders even if we join forces with Kai. Which was amply proven in last big fight at Masadora

topaz skiff
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Yet spain was getting dished around in the first 7 weeks of the season.

lucid hawk
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We had like 2/3 ships to fight per player for how many effin traders and military there were, numbers aren't in our favour and fair enough but if you add traders on top then no wonder people don't bother

topaz skiff
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Then provide them with more incentive to join your side?

silver rain
topaz skiff
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It's a heavily political game

silver rain
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(Small reminder each guild has 70 player slots shocked)

topaz skiff
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I've seen the accounts of some pirates having over 300million gold themselves, they have the funds they just don't give 2 shits to use it.

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Money moves

lucid hawk
# topaz skiff Then provide them with more incentive to join your side?

Join us to fight a big zerg filled with abusers and people who put unplayable PB timers as they got all the Chinese too. Yeah that sounds like a great deal.
I'd die before joining such toxic faction, you guys are pure evil and it's funny when it comes from a pirate, at least we have a code, you're just abusers.

silver rain
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Code? What code complain when loosing sht talking when winning?

lucid hawk
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You mean the russian veterans playing for you because otherwise you get shot to bits? Without LEV (for EU, NEB is LEV in russian alphabet) in PB you wouldn't have won so many of them.

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But that it's technically "allowed", just piss poor sportsmanship to always have the same dudes carrying.

silver rain
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Also red doesn’t give 2 shits about their so called “allies”

topaz skiff
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The fact that you guys whine and cry about it even though I'm west coast NA and still showed up to a majority of the defenses sounds like you guy's just arent commited to the game at all.

lucid hawk
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Sorry if I have a social life and a job, I suggest renaming the game to World of no-lifers or World of Unemployed, you're right.

topaz skiff
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I'm employed too buddy.

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You're playing an MMO with free reign on port timers basically, either find a new game more suited for your lifestyle or deal with it.

lucid hawk
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At this point you're purely ragebaiting and annoying

topaz skiff
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The games been around for 6 years come June, they're not going to adhere to a small populace asking for change

lucid hawk
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"small"

topaz skiff
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Yes, 100 upvotes on a post is nothing major.

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Especially when there's 3,000 peak players daily

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3% isn't going to change anything.

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If you want change you need to provide incentive for change through reason and provide an example of how to fix it, these developers aren't well known for providing good change (Look at Windrose update and how bad the amber event was). Do I agree some things need changing, of course. I've probably provided more feedback than all of Antilla combined which is honestly pitiful. You guys complain and whine and make reports but don't seem to provide a clear Want other than "ban abusers" Why not delve deeper into the situation?

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Saying "This needs fixing" without providing any fruitful feedback on how to combat it or fix it is just viewed as spam in a CM's or Developers mindset.

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This is Feedback buoy, not "make a report"

rancid anchor
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Spaniards, you changed the port boosting time, but you still won't let anyone boost your ports! What pirate Zerg are you talking about if Zerg is only you and your trade guilds? Like cowards, you only let weak guilds boost your ports, or those with whom you've agreed to tax yours, because you're afraid of losing your ports. I just don't get it, but what will you do when the boosting mechanics change?

willow tulip
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I don't think it's fair to judge LBS, a coalition made up of 4 guilds, based on just 3 players

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I just saw this post. Thank you very much for letting me know about this behavior. Anyone caught doing this—ramming with small ships—will be kicked from LBS immediately. 🙏

silver rain
cosmic eagle
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This thread is so popular lmao

cosmic eagle
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From what I see ppl are just talking about two problems.

One is rep bombing which is only a problem because the speed aggressor determination mech is literally broken, which will fix this issue once fixed.

The other problem is ppl doesn’t like it when a faction is able to leverage support from trading guild to help them win. So they going on forums to complain and ask for traders to be removed from pvp so that they can win once.

The first problem already have a solution so it’s done. The second problem is not a problem. The solution is literally get good.

cunning vine
tulip elbow
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The season begins with one/next faction left the room. last season most members from a underdog faction joined that faction. now we have a battle between two factions, spain and pirates, cause of reputation abuse 👍

dense geode
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The biggest problem with reputation system abuse right now is the lack of clear rules. The game does not explicitly state whether this is a bannable offense or just players legitimately using the game's intended mechanics. The current abuse is a result of the developers' own design failure. If the developers haven't clearly stated that this behavior will result in a ban, then issuing bans would also be a very unfair way to handle the situation.

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The worst part about this reputation system is that the abusers are also the victims. The developers have failed to take action and cannot automatically ban every player who uses this mechanic. The system is even being used to attack players within the same faction.

Last season, I was in a trading faction, and another guild from the same faction had a conflict with us. They would directly use their Tier 7 ships to ram our ships. Even when we were stationary, getting rammed by a Tier 7 ship would cause the system to mark the victim as the attacker and deduct their reputation instead.

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The official response time on support tickets is absolutely despair-inducing. The end result is that two guilds end up ramming each other's members with Tier 7 ships. This is exactly why it's so difficult to issue bans now. The side initiating the attack may be familiar with how the system works and could pre-record video evidence to file a report when they're counter-attacked. However, the side that was attacked in the first place is already the victim, yet they could end up being the one banned. Once both sides have engaged in ramming, but only one side receives a ban, it becomes a disaster for the developers. Players will accuse them of intentionally favoring one side. The consequences of being accused of unfair bans are far more severe than being criticized for inaction regarding the abuse of the reputation system.

topaz skiff
topaz skiff
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Being proud of a system you made is different if it doesn't work whatsoever or its easily abusive and ruins your games integrity

dense geode
cosmic eagle
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Bruh idk why ppl are still giving their opinions on how their amazing idea is going to solve this problem, while actually the solution is already in game, it’s just not working right now.

Change the title to speed aggression determination doesn’t work please fix and call it a day.

lucid hawk
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Because there are other ways to do this bs, not just speed ramming.

dense geode
dense geode