💬│general

[distant aurora]

@dry kestrel perplexity is this true?

[short narwhal]

Am I going insane... I swear it knows everything about me now...

[gloomy cipher]

just use it like a normal api money

[dry kestrel]

than what?

[timber niche]

Lmao

[distant aurora]

Website had bigger limit than app?

[dry kestrel]

I think you are getting too attached to the LLM

[timber niche]

The chatgpt app before gpt5 had like 32k likits right

[gloomy cipher]

add your fursonas back

[timber niche]

Is it same now

[dry kestrel]

no?

[distant aurora]

Now it will change. Just like his gf.

[short narwhal]

I MEAN LIKE??

[dry kestrel]

The web version and mobile gets the same context window

[dry kestrel]

Lmao

[timber niche]

Cozy Furry Aesthetics

We all know

[distant aurora]

Lmfao

Just a hunch but feels right.

[timber niche]

Wait someone told me the gpt app had lesser context limits

[dry kestrel]

Anyways deepseek v3.1 is running on a Chinese chip.

[timber niche]

Don't let this forget matsku is a furry

[dry kestrel]

Interesting

[gloomy cipher]

its porb cheaper

KEKW

[dry kestrel]

I mean, it's cheaper than r1

[distant aurora]

Opus keeping it real about mat.

[timber niche]

Are you all noticing movies started using veo3

For some flashback shit

And it's all so crappy

[distant aurora]

I'll let the example addiction slide.

[timber niche]

I can tell because any shot is maximum 8 seconds lol

[distant aurora]

That's a valid expectation imo.

[dry kestrel]

Been noticing more advertisements thats for sure

even one's still with the watermark attached

[timber niche]

Yeah it's just annoying

[timber niche]

Lmfao

[distant aurora]

I use revanced.

No ads.

[timber niche]

Same

[gloomy cipher]

GPT 4o

[distant aurora]

Ez life.

[timber niche]

Revanced for mobile
Smarttube for tv

Stremio + Real Debrid For Movies and Shows

It's a good life

[distant aurora]

Revanced be doing god's work.

[green crystal]

try gpt-5 minimal

[dry kestrel]

Old vs new pricing

[gloomy cipher]

which one is the actual input iam so confused

[distant aurora]

50% discount.

[green crystal]

bruh $2.19

[distant aurora]

Depending on hour of day.

[gloomy cipher]

5 mini or 5 minimal?

[dry kestrel]

Refer to cache miss

[green crystal]

minimal reasoning

the longer reasoning is probably messing with this prompt

[gloomy cipher]

GPT 5 Minimal

you were on it

this one is the best so far

[distant aurora]

Try on opus

Nvm.

I forgot it's an expensive model.

[gloomy cipher]

pay up

[dry kestrel]

This is pretty cool as well

[distant aurora]

You.com has spoiled me.

Lemme make a custom agent with those instructions.

Lol.

[green crystal]

bruh

[gloomy cipher]

it would be better with japanese TOS

opus 4.1

"Tell me tell meee~ :D" 😂

[distant aurora]

No way bro burned money over this.

😭

[gloomy cipher]

its lmmarena

its free

[distant aurora]

Oh.

[distant aurora]

Grok following the instructions very accurately.

Grok basically mirrored mat's instructions so well that mat felt uncomfortable.

The irony.

[mild python]

tes

[gloomy cipher]

kimi k2

thing is

i feel like grok has low temp

[short narwhal]

t

[gloomy cipher]

bro sometimes repeat what i say

[distant aurora]

Honestly, it isn't as bad as I thought.

Just the extra text emotes.

[fast meteor]

trained or inferenced on huawei chips?

nvm

Chinese artificial intelligence company DeepSeek has delayed the release of its new model after failing to train it using Huawei's chips

[distant aurora]

My you.com messages disappeared again.

Disappointment.

[distant aurora]

I said this earlier.

Someone said it's just speculation.

The instructions aren't bad I guess. It's just that mat talks differently.

And the instructions make the model adapt accordingly.

That was opus.

[surreal sphinx]

any body master in ai agents?

i will give me comet invite code if he gave me value

[distant aurora]

Anyways

https://www.redditez.com/r/perplexity_ai/s/06I8DbPXyJ

aletheus_compendium (@aletheus_compendium)

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Which model does what? If Perplexity’s model roster were a dinner 🎉
In short: If Perplexity’s model roster were a dinner party, Sonar would be correcting everyone’s footnotes, Claude would be moderating the debate, GPT would be the charming raconteur, Gemini would take notes in bullet points, and Grok would have already made a viral meme out of the whole evening. 😆 🤙🏻

EmbedEZ • 1 - 1 of 1 · Aug 20, 2025, 2:03 PM

[surreal sphinx]

@distant aurora i neeed this

[distant aurora]

I have no idea what ai agents means.

And by no means I'm a master in it.

[languid star]

emoji_10~3

[distant aurora]

@gloomy cipher

[pseudo ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/harvey-specter-suits-suits-tv-suits-usa-marvey-gif-4778845306238621955

[gloomy cipher]

dayum

[gritty siren]

yo whats up with the comet ad coming up everytime i delete a thread..stop that shiz man

[distant aurora]

They're edging you if you don't have invite.

[pseudo ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/harvey-specter-mike-ross-suits-harvey-mike-hug-harvey-mike-handshake-gif-8038779705281412213

[distant aurora]

Bro has been grinding hard for days.

[glossy light]

https://mustafa-suleyman.ai/seemingly-conscious-ai-is-coming

[gritty siren]

i already got comet installed lol...and im not used to it so i aint using it

[haughty birch]

any max plan users here?

[pseudo ferry]

@languid star He is our max user

[distant aurora]

Need max role tag.

[tame current]

, in this economy?

[fast meteor]

why not

[distant aurora]

Ikr

[languid star]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-dog-gif-14542099238045824336

[haughty birch]

hey bro can you pls tell if this feature is really worthy?

[tame current]

that ear though

[distant aurora]

PTSD

@languid star https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DNm1eI7SwTt

[fast meteor]

depends on your daily queries

[distant aurora]

He deleted the post too 😭

[pseudo ferry]

Caught you sleeping @dry kestrel

[haughty birch]

can you please try just one query for me, i wil dm you, the answer of that query wll let me know if its really workng fine or not

[fast meteor]

im not , but @languid star is

[haughty birch]

Dear @languid star , kindly help for one query pls

[tame current]

https://tenor.com/view/ping-one-ping-give-me-a-ping-one-ping-only-no-ping-gif-2233845608210360328

[tranquil orchid]

@pseudo ferry

Harvey Specter said:

@vague pagoda Hi kes, long time no see! How is jelly bean(I mean my cat)

Please avoid @mentioning members of the Perplexity Team

[languid star]

nah, i m gud

[distant aurora]

How do do this?

[haughty birch]

you dont want to help?

[distant aurora]

Was this a snipe bot?

[languid star]

its something else

[haughty birch]

ok fine

[pseudo ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/harvey-specter-suits-suits-tv-suits-usa-boring-gif-616619280827450921

[haughty birch]

any max user kindly help me for one query, it will help me to understand to purchase it or not, based on the answer it gives

[distant aurora]

Not at the moment. No max user here.

[young hollow]

You Really Considering Max? @haughty birch

[rose topaz]

Ñ?

[distant aurora]

This server has less than 15 max users I believe.

[haughty birch]

if it gives right answer, i will consider

[distant aurora]

Probably 10 at max.

[pseudo ferry]

You mean rich people?

[green crystal]

deadly pun

[haughty birch]

and those 15 also not ready to help

[young hollow]

Remember You Get Unlimited Research and Labs but The Context Window is Still 32k

[distant aurora]

Fr.

[green crystal]

might aswell get chatgpt pro

[haughty birch]

inspired again, thanks , i am putting back my pen inside zip and locking my temptation for some more days

[haughty birch]

the bros here are really good at saving other bros money, thanks

[green crystal]

pplx max just isnt up to the value

[young hollow]

Never ever make quick decisions for spending money we really need to consider your needs first

[languid star]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-gif-8519052141498810062

[distant aurora]

Goodluck #💬│general message

[young hollow]

They need to Increase Context Window Limit at least for Max Users

[pseudo ferry]

@languid star Homey(max user) I guess you need to take a look at this

[haughty birch]

but they wont

[languid star]

https://tenor.com/view/indeed-i-love-you-concur-thats-what-she-said-is-how-speed-gif-24958898

[haughty birch]

he rejected to help me for one query, so let it be

[distant aurora]

Bro is gonna get lasered 💀

[fast meteor]

pplx billy, know it all

[pseudo ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-the-end-craig-robinson-the-end-screaming-scared-gif-3385170

[pseudo ferry]

This is so mean!

[distant aurora]

Try asking for milkshake.

[languid star]

daym

[haughty birch]

yeah leave it, extra lu denguthunaadu aadu

[oak meteor]

Bruvv... I got Comet invitation

And I am on Pro

[distant aurora]

Windows update?

[languid star]

normal file download

[distant aurora]

My data is faster than this, lol.

Might wanna block other background tasks with simple wall.

[languid star]

downloading depends on other server side, if that server is fast for downloading it will download faster

[pseudo ferry]

How to tag kes without tagging kes

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-think-thinking-gif-4280214517394111861

[distant aurora]

Use multi thread?

Some download manager.

[languid star]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-fishe-haylight-hayilight-hayaylight-gif-25954091

[surreal sphinx]

bro any one know how to creat ai agent

[short narwhal]

send them a note in the mail

[fast meteor]

what you try to download? torrent?

[distant aurora]

Ask perplexity.

[surreal sphinx]

it didnt helped

[distant aurora]

Leechers moment.

[pseudo ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/noted-black-guy-thug-shaker-discord-caption-gif-25597417

[distant aurora]

Twitter him

[pseudo ferry]

Went on a vacation! Missed all of you.

[distant aurora]

Someone won big in crypto.

[ocean flare]

Has anyone noticed that the Assistant in Comet is not working this morning? It just displays an empty pane.

[pseudo ferry]

Someone wow?

[pseudo ferry]

Tried reload or opening new thread in Asst. ?

[vale furnace]

Any idea why would one get hit with a "Comet requires an invitation" after getting an invitation email?

[distant aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/harvey-specter-harvey-confidence-gif-4538045669683331768

[distant aurora]

Login to perplexity using the email that got the invite first.

[ocean flare]

Yes I did, several times. Still comes up blank.

[vale furnace]

Doing just that, I can access the chat with pro like normal, thought the comet page has a different opinion

[fast meteor]

btw this is not an invite i think?

[distant aurora]

Nope

[haughty birch]

anyone tried this before?

https://browseroperator.io/

[haughty birch]

Currently available for macOS only

is it possible to add perplexity deep research as custom connector in chatgpt?

[distant aurora]

@dry kestrel am I the only one facing this bug on perplexity?

[fast meteor]

kinda
https://github.com/felores/perplexity-sonar-mcp
with
sonar deep research api
https://docs.perplexity.ai/getting-started/models/models/sonar-deep-research

[distant aurora]

It goes away once the full answer is generated.

[meager meadow]

Hi

[haughty birch]

thanks for sharing, will explore

[meager meadow]

I have pro account

how can i get pro role

[distant aurora]

Check pinned message.

[fast meteor]

if you clicked on perplexity pro does it show those again?

[meager meadow]

Hi

[pine plover]

Hello

[distant aurora]

Gpt 5 thinking is impressive.

Is better at remembering and giving comprehensive answer compared to opus I think.

[tropic fable]

Ok

[rocky flame]

hey

[twin grail]

What happened ?

[haughty birch]

to be frank gpt5 thinking directly in chatgpt is really very intelligent, it some times even thinking 4 mins to give me right information

[twin grail]

Welcome onboard

pplx

[rocky flame]

hello
I have a couple of machine learning and algorithm modules next semester, wanted to learn more in advance, any clue where i should start? was hoping to make a project

[lost flint]

[formal kayak]

I see when i paste large code, i dont see streaming responses which is actually a bug

[karmic isle]

hi

[young hollow]

😂🤣💯👌🏻

Dark Humour

[mental hornet]

so i am a climate scientist and I usually need to fish out citations and relevant sections from papers (not to mention finding papers in the first place)

which model provides the best results given my usecase ?

i am using deep research for each of my queries but I have not really tried anything else and was curious

[haughty birch]

i completed my deep research cap limit in chatgpt 🙁 , and i dont see any provider who provides quality deep research for less price, to be frank perplexity deep research is poor quality for my queries, even though if i purchase it doesnot help for long conversations in single chat.

[green crystal]

try using agent

you get like 400 of those

[haughty birch]

bro i am not chatgpt pro, i am chatgpt plus

[green crystal]

oh thought you said pro not too long ago

[haughty birch]

yeah its completed.

[lyric oyster]

yoo

[green crystal]

you can still do some stuff with the 40
just need to put as many instructions as you can in a single prompt

[tame current]

thinking models might work better. are you instructing PPLX to do the entire paper or small sections at a time? i ask because doing small sections at a time help the model to focus for maximum extraction and context management use (before performance degrades).

conversation history accumulates and the longer this goes, the less effective PPLX becomes.

[haughty birch]

yeah but i would feel happy if i have perplexity like product with long conversations support

[lyric oyster]

won't it ignore some of it??
I think sometimes when the prompt is too big llms just ignore some of the stuff

not a professional tho so idk

[green crystal]

current models not really
agent especially takes in large prompts

and deep research

[lyric oyster]

oh

that

is nice

[gloomy cipher]

How does sticking it out for the first time decreases the level

[lyric oyster]

cuz like small prompts usually leave some details

[haughty birch]

do you think you.com ARI is worthy? unlimited ARI (research) for 200 usd

[green crystal]

from other's experiences here with that nope

[haughty birch]

i got a chance to use it only two times in intial days, it researched 400 sites to give me wrong answer 🙁

[young hollow]

Websites like You.com and R3 are Sussy

[young hollow]

400 sites just to give a wrong answer

😂🤣

[haughty birch]

yeah

[young hollow]

Yeah it has bad search

Both T3 and You Have Very Bad Search

[haughty birch]

actually it searched all the right sites, but it is not able interpret the 400 sites of data into a right answer

[young hollow]

Exactly

You will get good no search performance tho

Only search with Perplexity

[haughty birch]

perplexity deep research also poor performance bro many times, only pro search and LABs are accurate in my cases

[young hollow]

Ever tried Chinese Model Deep Research?

[haughty birch]

which one?

[young hollow]

Qwen and Stepfun has it

Also GLM has a special model for search

I can't guarantee any performance

I haven't tried it myself

In Perplexity Sonnet, 03 Does Best Search Maybe Grok too

[haughty birch]

testing both of them with my personal tricky question which determines whether they are good or bad, but for personal queries for sure i need no data training, so that will be a blocker to use these chinese models

[young hollow]

I see gl

Step deep research is in beta tho you gotta apply for it

Did you ever tried prompt techniques that can force more thinking time or search time

[haughty birch]

qwen deep research behaved same like* you.com ARI (so not reliable answers)

[haughty birch]

stepfun reasoning with web search gave right answer

[young hollow]

Apply for Deep Research

[humble rain]

how do i go back to perpexlity AI, I clicked on perpexlity enterprise now I cannot see any option to go back

[young hollow]

Wait i can test it for you

@haughty birch

I have deep research

I just remembered

[haughty birch]

did you purchase or just clicked it?

[humble rain]

I clicked it

[haughty birch]

ok can i dm you

[young hollow]

Gotcha

[humble rain]

I am using the app

[haughty birch]

go to web , account page, if you didnot pay for enterprise, go to enterprise and delete it, then it will take you back to old perplexity

[humble rain]

i cannot see the option

in the perpexlity app i clicked on enterprise

[short narwhal]

Close the app completely so it isn't running in the background when closed

[haughty birch]

anyone want comet invite?

[distant aurora]

@young hollow @languid star https://www.instagramez.com/reel/DNnoUnrS1fr

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Created by : @bob_almost & @almost_bobby
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[green crystal]

@dry kestrel did they improve project isolated memory in chatgpt?

[gloomy cipher]

I was about to spam the comet channel 😔

[green crystal]

its so good at keeping project content isolated from others

[haughty birch]

do you want?

[gloomy cipher]

No thanks

Post it in #☄️│comet-general

[ebon cairn]

I would like an invite if possible

[serene sand]

@elder bramble

[distant aurora]

I have never seen that user ever chat here.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[elder bramble]

dm me plz 🙂

[ebon cairn]

Ah me, yeah im new, just excited about the new things

Yeah totally new, but not a bot 😛

[distant aurora]

Nah. I was talking about hikari.

[ebon cairn]

Aha okay

[young hollow]

😂 🤣 is that about the Ambani Brothers?

[serene sand]

To The Max

Comet (@PerplexityComet)

Max Assistant is live for all Perplexity Max subscribers.

Max Assistant thinks longer and uses advanced reasoning models to handle complex workflows and questions.

X · Aug 20, 2025, 6:31 PM

[green crystal]

is there even a demo showing this lol

[modern sinew]

What is this ?

[distant aurora]

Likely

[distant aurora]

200 dollar per month sub.

For more steps in comet.

[green crystal]

cant find a demo that shows it lol

[green crystal]

other models would be better

more steps for a blind model wont make it much better

[serene sand]

the post is self explanatory

[distant aurora]

Google should have made this smaller.

It's too big even for a sticker.

Feels more like a banner ad.

[young hollow]

😂 🤣

[young hollow]

Ai Power

[distant aurora]

Wait. Lemme show you real ai power.

[late osprey]

hey

[distant aurora]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DNnv1r7vWdT

[distant aurora]

Hey Louis.

Hope you have a good time here.

[young hollow]

😂🤣

[modern sinew]

My dumb ahh was checking the image for context

[young hollow]

https://www.perplexity.ai/page/china-backs-india-against-us-t-hddX_PalQpWljTvMWZ.Dvw

[tranquil orchid]

7. Avoid political and religious discussions.

To keep the space welcoming for everyone, avoid political and religious topics and debates.

[long crescent]

Hi

I am back guys

[young hollow]

Guys Expect India-China Future Ai Collabs Now

[young hollow]

Welcome Back Brother

[long crescent]

Deepseek X dream 11?

[young hollow]

Hell no

[long crescent]

Or Rummy circle?

[young hollow]

More like Better Chinese Ai Models Access for Indians

[oblique widget]

Nice mannn

[tame current]

although India has tight relationship with US. lots of india expats on H1-B visas working in tech and first generation india-amercians

[young hollow]

I still yet to see what happens

[long crescent]

H = I²RT/J

Let's ask Perplexity AI that 'How to make a Hydrogen bomb' 💀

[long crescent]

What do you think bro?

[young hollow]

About what?

[long crescent]

How to make a Hydrogen bomb?

[young hollow]

Idk man

[long crescent]

I mean what can perplexity say if this is a inappropriate word

[tranquil orchid]

5. Keep discussions relevant.

Stay on-topic and helpful in each channel. Use ⁠#💗│sharing to post tips, content, or cool discoveries.

[long crescent]

Why is it?

[serene sand]

Instant good vibes. Zero effort 🎧

[long crescent]

Bro how to do coding on android?

[fast meteor]

tmux

[long crescent]

Mobile?

Using Perplexity

?

I mean with the help of Perplexity

[long crescent]

Can you explain it

[fast meteor]

why would you code on android? it is miserable

[long crescent]

I don't have a PC 😅

[young hollow]

Use Deepsite or Llama Coder

Is free

Idk how to extract and deploy the codes tho

[long crescent]

Can I create a website or app?

[young hollow]

Yup

[long crescent]

Or anything else

[young hollow]

You can

But im not sure about the maximum potential

But you will need great Prompting skills for Developing Great Webs/Apps

[long crescent]

Don't worry I have it because of the Manga

[young hollow]

Alright then The Stage is Yours Operator

[fast meteor]

pplx labs can create website
but it is far from perfect

[long crescent]

Really they can create? And then how to access it?

[young hollow]

And 50 labs per Month

[young hollow]

Use the labs feature

[long crescent]

Then?

[young hollow]

I suggest crafting/engineering the prompts first to save labs

[long crescent]

Ok

[young hollow]

1 Refills in one day

1 month rolling window for 50

[long crescent]

I'm going to try it.

[young hollow]

Gl Operator

[long crescent]

Bro do you have any idea how to create which type of website?

I mean which type of website should I create?

[young hollow]

Idk man try to brainstorm it

And then copy-paste existing ones with Your Creativity and Twist

Try to build something of your interest

[wise nova]

Maybe someone know free MS365 sub for students or any other?

[twin grail]

Are u a college/uni student ?

[wise nova]

Yeah. But may be there any other special offers for MS365 Office

[twin grail]

Uhh, there are several types of ms365

[rocky dome]

[twin grail]

Normally

Uni should provide u access to ms365

There's no need for other plan

as it's Office A3

Enough for students

[wise nova]

What the other plans special offers may be ready to use for regular person

[noble creek]

Tung tung tung sahur rage mode vs skibidi rizzler

[twin grail]

Uhh u might don't even need it

For me using E5

having further access to Azure

and Vs studio enterprise plan

Mostly for coding stuffs

[full snow]

Hi guys

Guys

[twin grail]

so if u're a student who don't work with codes

nah

[full snow]

SureshAPI ?

Give me free API

[distant aurora]

https://www.ddinstagram.com/reel/DNdu-6AtPJL

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DNdu-6AtPJL

Nothing worked huh.

[obsidian umbra]

https://www.vxinstagram.com/reel/DNdu-6AtPJL

[distant aurora]

Thanks.

I need a list of these.

Embedders.

[dry kestrel]

We don't know if it's Huawei chips yet

[dry kestrel]

Hey! I'm not sleeping 😭

[dry kestrel]

#1140622008086970420 ?

[dry kestrel]

Nothing new in release notes

[obsidian umbra]

vx has never failed me

[long crescent]

Hi

https://ppl-ai-code-interpreter-files.s3.amazonaws.com/web/direct-files/55ed4ceecf2374cfe70e2f6801a33598/31e59545-f619-4f6c-9d57-221ac84f57f4/index.html?utm_source=perplexity

[long crescent]

This website is created by perplexity's lab

[surreal sphinx]

anybody have super grok

[slate sluice]

hi guys

[oblique widget]

@young hollow

[distant aurora]

Ai price wars gonna be wild in India with grok and gpt go.

[naive sage]

Eh, the cost to use DeepSeek is already orders of magnitude less than GPT.

[distant aurora]

Server busy half of the time.

Qwen works though.

[young hollow]

Huh?

[minor shard]

How much is the new Deepseek?

[naive sage]

https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/pricing/
The deepseek-chat and deepseek-reasoner models there are both 3.1 now

[tame current]

Grok's cheap?

I did buy gpt go

[distant aurora]

700 inr in India.

[tame current]

I see

[dry kestrel]

Cheap

[minor shard]

Lol they have peak hour usage lol

[dry kestrel]

Going to be removed soon.

[distant aurora]

@green crystal we need some free Chinese service with chatgpt like multi step search.

[green crystal]

yep

so far lots of services still do searching and LLM processing separate

[dry kestrel]

Stepfun

[rich turtle]

Hi

[young hollow]

Try Stepfun for Deep Research

[dry kestrel]

GPT-5 Pro

[young hollow]

My friend tested it it took around 15-20 minutes and gave all proper answers

[distant aurora]

Omw to try it.

[young hollow]

Stepfun is really something

But you need to apply for Deep Research Beta Testing

[distant aurora]

I guess the hewwo :3 is compulsory, lmfao.

[young hollow]

Stepfun also has R1

For Free

[gloomy cipher]

What is that pro, are you generating new model out of your bird arse?

[dry kestrel]

Was what Pato used

[dry kestrel]

?

[distant aurora]

@short narwhal do you use "hewwo :3"

[distant aurora]

200 dollar sub.

[short narwhal]

No

[young hollow]

Ngl Stepfun is so Underrated

[distant aurora]

How to test if a model's behaviour aligns with your intended instructions?

[green crystal]

many GPUs screamed for 2 minutes for this

[distant aurora]

We will use a new benchmark system. We call it mat bench.

[green crystal]

what did it reason lol

[distant aurora]

Am I one of them?

[gloomy cipher]

So is it just gpt 5 high renamed to pro or is it a new model?

[distant aurora]

Not sure if O3 pro was just O3 high rebranded.

[gloomy cipher]

O3 pro was a model

[distant aurora]

Good attempt.

[green crystal]

in the end "huh i guess im really one of them"

[short narwhal]

🤷 ask day to day stuff and determine it by vibe

[minor shard]

true

[distant aurora]

Give us a list of these.

For testing.

[gloomy cipher]

Bro never had a conversation with ai

😭

[timber niche]

Lol

[distant aurora]

Not in mat's style.

[timber niche]

You need to determine yourself

[gloomy cipher]

Its... Just everyday question

[distant aurora]

N

A

[gloomy cipher]

Claude 4 opus hallucinated and didn't answer my question, could you please do it instead

[gloomy cipher]

...

[distant aurora]

Spoiler alert, no.

[distant aurora]

It was just O3 with extra high reasoning effort.

[dry kestrel]

It's the equivalent of o3 pro

Just extremely high reasoning effort and access to tool calls

[gloomy cipher]

And overthinking a lot

Got it

How does it perform?

[short narwhal]

It’s just stuff that pops into my head at that time, can’t be doxxing my thoughts smh

[green crystal]

beneath that summary is probably a massive amount of doubt that would look scary if visible

[gloomy cipher]

Bro thonk for 2 minutes straight for a hewwo 😭

[distant aurora]

Is this your vibe?

[short narwhal]

Yeees

[gloomy cipher]

@dry kestrel show the reasoning please

Or i slay @spiral rampart

Is he turned off?

@spiral rampart hello

[distant aurora]

#💬│general message

[dry kestrel]

This was the only reasoning summary generated

[dry kestrel]

I WAS TYPING

[gloomy cipher]

That's it? For 2 fookin minutes?

[dry kestrel]

yeah

I'll run it again

@gloomy cipher https://chatgpt.com/share/68a75fe9-e1a0-8005-b704-7fa74841ed94

[gloomy cipher]

It's not letting me see the reason

Btw the last time i poked open ai was i think a year ago so thanks for breaking my record 😒

[dry kestrel]

Press the rectangle

[gloomy cipher]

It's not working

[short narwhal]

"mat 5" is crazy

[gloomy cipher]

At least not on moba

[distant aurora]

Cuz gpt 5

Istg

Bro thought productivity

[gloomy cipher]

If gpt 5 is mat 5 then what would be o3

[distant aurora]

Beat the meat for a minute or two.

[gloomy cipher]

fur3

[distant aurora]

Got post nut clarity to adapt for brain rot.

Or even better.

Realised midway that this isn't worth thinking about.

[distant aurora]

Omat 3

[dry kestrel]

I made a custom GPT

[gloomy cipher]

Open ai renaming everything like apple

[distant aurora]

Mato 3

[gloomy cipher]

Silly ass movement just call it space

Omega 3

[full snow]

Beard

[gloomy cipher]

Berd*

[full snow]

Is the above image true

[gloomy cipher]

I dont think that would happen

No

[full snow]

Oh thanks

[gloomy cipher]

It's something out of his pocket

20$ for none reasoning model. No one will be paying

[distant aurora]

I accidentally selected my own bot instead of mat bot.

Instant regret.

[distant aurora]

This looks overkill tryhard ngl. This feels more natural.

[tawdry silo]

comet is very epic!

i randomly got premium for a month, kinda odd

i use comet at my main browser now

[distant aurora]

I can't let comet see my browsing history.

[dry kestrel]

erm custom gpt's have been a thing for a long time now

[gloomy cipher]

Yea i know

[dry kestrel]

used to be called plugins

[gloomy cipher]

But they are just custom instruction rooms

[dry kestrel]

Then they made the whole GPT store

[dry kestrel]

It allows you to disable things like web search, data analysis, add files, etc

Also you could argue it was an early version of MCP

[golden dagger]

How do I get the Pro role in this Discord? I joined via the Perplexity Pro Discord button in the Android app. Thanks!

[dry kestrel]

@serene sand

Please wait for staff to manually give you your role

[serene sand]

web app only atm

[minor shard]

Why is everyone trying to make an AI uwu lol

[gloomy cipher]

💸

[young hollow]

Any of You guys Tested New Deepseek V3.1?

[gloomy cipher]

Yea

Btw

They have a new version

[young hollow]

Wait what

[dry kestrel]

You mean mat is trying to make it

[young hollow]

Btw benchmarks are released

Qwen failed at Hybrid Models

[minor shard]

isn't v3.1 the new one

[dry kestrel]

There is the base model

and then the post trained model

[young hollow]

I think he meant the final one not the base

[young hollow]

Base released

[dry kestrel]

Seems pretty good

[young hollow]

Yup

Looks very promising

[gloomy cipher]

On open router it used to be base only

[tawdry silo]

i have been using comet and i randomly got a month of pro, why did i get it??

[young hollow]

How did the final version perform?

[dry kestrel]

It's much better at instruction following

[gloomy cipher]

Ngl iam disappointed that didn't beat openai open-source model

[young hollow]

So better reason/logic overall

[dry kestrel]

There's a reason to why they didn't call it V4

[young hollow]

Because is not V4

We might get v4 by 2026

Im wait for it

[gloomy cipher]

You don't wana see it😂

[young hollow]

Oh well

[dry kestrel]

The model is better at coding though compared to the oss models

[serene sand]

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/0d628a87-b973-419a-93ef-efa93f67c48b

[young hollow]

Don't Know Something?

Ask Perplexity!

[gentle whale]

Do know something?
Ask Perplexity!

[golden dagger]

That did it, thanks!!

[tawdry silo]

thanks :)

on reddit people said they give out premium sometimes if you used perplexity for a full week

[gloomy cipher]

Ok

I think they fixed it @young hollow

[young hollow]

I thought so

[young hollow]

I had a idea

[gloomy cipher]

So this is base model 😂

This is trained i assume

[young hollow]

Ayo WTF

😂🤣

[gloomy cipher]

I love how it gave me his number after i said hi my rizz is high

[young hollow]

The Base is Like Just the Base

[distant aurora]

@languid star https://www.vxinstagram.com/reel/DLz6_CMSziE

[young hollow]

All optimization was made after it

Now we have the final version

[distant aurora]

His gadar is strong.

[gloomy cipher]

@dry kestrel any idea why base model acts like this?

[young hollow]

😂 🤣

@gloomy cipher do you do deep research?

[distant aurora]

Deep ahh

[gloomy cipher]

Wdym, dr on what?

[young hollow]

Anything really

If yes You gotta Try Stepfun for Sure

The Deep Research is Great

[thick stag]

guys can u share some good promts in general?

[dry kestrel]

you need fine tuning to make it follow your instructions

[young hollow]

#1124060874785685554

[young hollow]

@thick stag also there are like tons of online prompt libraries as well try those too

[gloomy cipher]

Is there a benefit in using the base model?

[young hollow]

@gloomy cipher Final Verdict on V3.1?

[dry kestrel]

No

[gloomy cipher]

I dont understand why it's giving me phone numbers after saying hi tho

It's like that one introvert guy

[minor shard]

maybe they are interested

lol AI got feelings now

[fathom spruce]

Heyy

[gloomy cipher]

The number is Indian the guy is Pakistani

[young hollow]

Don't leak numbers lol

[main socket]

Hello guys

[plain grove]

Yeah, and only for max users

GPT-5 Thinking

[gloomy cipher]

I didn't leak it

Deepeek did

So its probably a business number

[young hollow]

Fair enough

[gloomy cipher]

Bro

It's

Only 10$

[young hollow]

But deepseek not leaked it here

[gloomy cipher]

That's same price as o3

😭

[young hollow]

You see I don't have any issue with you

It could be a issue with server rules you know

[gloomy cipher]

I guess

[young hollow]

They will get Backlashes Now

Users have been already complaining about it

[gloomy cipher]

\\

[young hollow]

That ADHD Guy certainly won't be Happy Lol

Even more frustrated

He wanted GPT5 Thinking in pro

[gloomy cipher]

Who are you referring to?.....

[young hollow]

@sweet zealot

[gloomy cipher]

Oh

[young hollow]

GPT5 Thinking is Here

[young hollow]

Yeah

[young hollow]

What does \\ mean?

[distant aurora]

This is petty, lol.

[gloomy cipher]

It's called back slash

😒

[distant aurora]

@gloomy cipher isn't gpt 5 thinking cheaper than Gemini 2.5 pro?

[young hollow]

i was talking about Backlashes

Not Back slash bro

[gloomy cipher]

Same price

Same price as o3 aswell

Cheaper than grok 4

Cheaper than sonnet 4

Cheaper sonnet 3.7

[young hollow]

Is sonnet 4 think better then gpt 5 think?

[gloomy cipher]

No

[young hollow]

Ahhh

If is cheaper they should offer it in pro

[dry kestrel]

o3 output is cheaper

[young hollow]

And maybe replace O3 Pro with GPT 5 Pro

[distant aurora]

I would pick O3 over Gemini cuz cheaper output price.

[young hollow]

Is O3 Better or GPT5 Thinking?

[gloomy cipher]

Oops sorry

[short narwhal]

no

[young hollow]

That is not a answer

[gloomy cipher]

No/yes i think it's better in creative writing

Otherwise no

[distant aurora]

I think O3 is better.

[young hollow]

I want to know Reasoning Wise

[short narwhal]

mb got confused 😵‍💫, GPT-5 thinking is better

[young hollow]

I see ty!

[dry kestrel]

I read this as "Is O3 Better than GPT5 Thinking?"

[young hollow]

Subconscious mind

[gloomy cipher]

I think o3 is better in creative writing and mat fursona

[dry kestrel]

V3.1 is kinda mid

[distant aurora]

Y'all obsessed with mat. Leave him alone.

[gloomy cipher]

Emotional intelligence*

[distant aurora]

It is very practical. You are supposed to hold the handle while riding.

[karmic spoke]

Does Perplexity has any channel on discord dedicated to "finance"

[dry kestrel]

It looks like the pelican's head got cut off.

[gloomy cipher]

Lmao the non reason deepeek

[dry kestrel]

No :/

[gloomy cipher]

😂

[distant aurora]

IKR

[young hollow]

So what is your opinion guys should GPT5 Thinking be in Pro or Max?

[distant aurora]

Pro

[young hollow]

Pro

[karmic spoke]

ok thanks!

[distant aurora]

It's best but it's cheap.

[dry kestrel]

but?

[distant aurora]

Also, perplexity won't necessarily give high variant.

[gloomy cipher]

We don't need high variant

[young hollow]

They should just replace O3 Series with GPT5 one

[distant aurora]

Good things shouldn't be expensive if they didn't cost much to make. Example - iphones.

[young hollow]

Example

Deepseek

[dry kestrel]

R&d cost

[distant aurora]

The profit margin is too high even for that.

[dry kestrel]

samsung phones are pretty expensive as well

[young hollow]

Berd is a Volunteer he has to Take Perplexity Side

[dry kestrel]

same with Huawei

[distant aurora]

I'm not defending samsung.

[dry kestrel]

I don't have to take anyone's side regarding this

[distant aurora]

Take OnePlus and Vivo for example.

[young hollow]

Alright

[young hollow]

Vivo/Oppo Best for Camera

One Plus is Kind of Allrounder Flagship

[toxic spoke]

why comet assistant is getting slow?

[young hollow]

I call Oneplus like Iphone of Android

[distant aurora]

Cuz new max tier came.

[toxic spoke]

is it anything with cpu?

[dry kestrel]

Might be just a temporary issue

[distant aurora]

I'm joking. I'm not sure if that's true.

[young hollow]

Im pretty sure Perplexity will get Complaints for This Like GPT5

[distant aurora]

Meh

[young hollow]

You know you might be right

[distant aurora]

Do you know what they did to Socrates?

[young hollow]

Not yet

What they did?

And what is socrates

[distant aurora]

Perpert it

[young hollow]

Perplexity it?

[distant aurora]

Yep

[young hollow]

Alright later i guess

[distant aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-looking-at-cellphone-man-thinking-statue-watching-cellphone-pondering-gif-9133796110692465311

[gloomy cipher]

How does 640B loose to 120B?

[distant aurora]

?

[young hollow]

Huh?

[distant aurora]

Sounds natural.

Higher is better.

[gloomy cipher]

Gpt oss loosing to deepeek 3.1

Sorry vua versa

My brain malfunctioned

[toxic spoke]

lmaooo

[young hollow]

Ohh

Is simple higher is better

[toxic spoke]

I hope the issue is getting fixed

[distant aurora]

B means more knowledge base I think.

[frozen shard]

hello can i please get an invite for comet if anyone has one? i have been in waitlist for over a month now 🙁

[distant aurora]

Doesn't necessarily assure higher intelligence.

[young hollow]

I still don't understand how is Qwen Standing There with 235B?

[distant aurora]

O3 won't be over 300b for reference.

[gloomy cipher]

See how does 120B wuns over 640B

[green crystal]

up till 200k tokens

[distant aurora]

Gpt 4.5 was like 1 trillion.

[green crystal]

then its $15 per million tokens

[distant aurora]

Wasn't very smart.

[sharp canyon]

Create a video

10-second seamless looping video, cinematic synthwave atmosphere. A glowing neon light horizon fades in and out over a drifting night sky of deep purple and blue. Gentle particles float across the scene. In the center, luminous neon text pulses in sync with the music: "You looked like light, but felt like night". The text fades before reappearing, with smooth motion so the start and end blend perfectly into a loop. Moody, emotional, futuristic, immersive.

[gloomy cipher]

Sonnet 4 is 10$ when under 200k context?

[young hollow]

That yet I don't understand myself

But more Parameters = Better Performance

Is not necessarily now

[distant aurora]

Nope

15

[umbral coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRjuAemfaQE&pp=ygURU2VraXJvOiBObyBEZWZlYXQ%3D

[distant aurora]

Price increases drastically beyond 200k.

[young hollow]

It seems is about all the tokens training data used for training

[gloomy cipher]

Was he talking about sonnet 4 or gpt 5

[distant aurora]

Sonnet I think.

[young hollow]

He didn't gave the full context

[distant aurora]

Sonnet price increases beyond 200k.

[young hollow]

Seem like his context window is limited

I thought in future there will be models with trillions of parameters for best performance

[distant aurora]

Wild

2 trillion

[young hollow]

But seem like great performance can be achieved even with less Parameters

[gloomy cipher]

On open router it says 15 per M

[young hollow]

I think is no longer about parameters

But Rather Tokens Training Data Quality and MOE

[gloomy cipher]

Probably not actively

[distant aurora]

Papa Lex City

[young hollow]

😂🤣

I will use Stepfun for Deep Research from Now on

[distant aurora]

Waiting for my invite.

Does anyone remember the context of this scene?

[gloomy cipher]

I haven't even watched the boys

@young hollow is there an app for stepfun?

[young hollow]

Yes and No

Is complex

[gloomy cipher]

Mobile app

[young hollow]

There is a app but it has login restrictions

However you can use the PWA

[scenic sinew]

Hi

[young hollow]

The Web doesn't have login Restrictions so PWA doesn't neither

[indigo kiln]

More parameters -> more general knowledge -> less need in RAG with web search. Better performance, instead, comes from too much different factors :D

[maiden flower]

Chat is anyone here using assistant for phone? It's so cool

[indigo kiln]

Is it? I gave up on assistants completely after Gemini slop

[young hollow]

I see but now even models with less parameters are performing greatly

[maiden flower]

I saw what it can do and it's so cool

[young hollow]

Which one?

[maiden flower]

Perplexity assistant

But I wish they added more languages

[young hollow]

I use gemini Haven't tried Perplexity

[maiden flower]

I used to, I tryed just for interest, it looks very cool

It can summarize notifications for example

[young hollow]

Interesting gotta try it

[indigo kiln]

Kimi K2 surprisingly lags behind other models in various benchmarks :)

[golden dagger]

I like perplexity assistant, but the app needs a place for upcoming reminders/tasks

[distant aurora]

https://www.vxinstagram.com/reel/DNlMN3LgNE3

[maiden flower]

Btw I heard about qwen, is it good?

[tame current]

I love gpt mini o4

[young hollow]

It has 1 Trillion Parameters

I just don't understand how Qwen is 5th with Just 235B Parameters

[timber niche]

https://x.com/NintendoEurope/status/1958539769807302923

@short narwhal finally...

Nintendo of Europe (@NintendoEurope)

Hollow Knight: Silksong.

Two weeks.

#NintendoSwitch2 #NintendoSwitch

X · Aug 21, 2025, 2:40 PM

[short narwhal]

Yeaaa

[timber niche]

7 years is insane

[indigo kiln]

One of the best open-weights model series, you can try it out on Cerebras
(32B / 235B Thinking 2507 / 235B Instruct 2507 / 480B Coder)

[timber niche]

Rip to the update channel

[sick arch]

Gemini 2.5 pro is so helpful 👌

[gloomy cipher]

Is "yoo" a part of your memory aswell?

[dry kestrel]

I'm surprised it didn't doxx you this time.

[short narwhal]

It’s part of the vibes, though this is the new prompt version

[gloomy cipher]

Drama 💅

[short narwhal]

Bottom is cropped out, realistically it did doxx me

[timber niche]

I hate how excited it is

[timber niche]

Bruh...

[dry kestrel]

Updated 4 hours ago?

[short narwhal]

Yuh

[dry kestrel]

It just says "Matsku is a furry" at the bottom

[dry kestrel]

Hehehehehe

[timber niche]

Lol

[noble creek]

Nay

[indigo kiln]

It speaks exactly like I want LLMs to speak -- somewhere between the conciseness of Sonnet 4 and the verbosity of Gemini 2.5 Pro. Moonshot really did their best at making DeepSeek V3 better than DeepSeek themselves

[dry kestrel]

I am getting better at japanese

[short narwhal]

Kimi is excellent at talking and language in general

[indigo kiln]

oh what's that

[gloomy cipher]

I has a stroke reading this

[dry kestrel]

Updated 4 hours ago

[short narwhal]

Along the lines of 4 hours ago

[gloomy cipher]

"moonshot really did they best at making deepeek v3" what

[young hollow]

Wait what Moonshot Made Deepseek Better? Then Kimi K2 Essentially Deepseek?

[dry kestrel]

The company behind K2 gives me good vibes

[indigo kiln]

Sorry, I got too used to the chats with a 10-30 second cooldown :D

[indigo kiln]

Kimi K2 is built on the same architecture as DeepSeek V3, but it's not a derivative of DeepSeek

[young hollow]

I see

If Kimi is Good why is it Lagging in Many Benchmarks?

[dry kestrel]

It's a non reasoning model...

also it was the best non reasoning model before v3.1 came out

[indigo kiln]

Benchmarks just aren't representative enough

[young hollow]

Noted Noted

[young hollow]

True

So Now Kimi K2 is Second Best Non Reasoning Model?

[indigo kiln]

if only DeepSeek V3.1 was available at LMArena

[distant aurora]

Seems like it.

[young hollow]

Soon enough

[distant aurora]

Non reasoning models might just stop existing.

[young hollow]

Kimi K2 is Very Great Writer Tho

[dry kestrel]

Probs soon as most providers just launched it under 12 hours ago

[young hollow]

I just use kimi k2 first then tell kimi 1.5 to reason on the data of kimi k2

[indigo kiln]

That would be unfortunate

CoT is expensive (because, well, you're burning output tokens) and unnecessary unless you absolutely need the planning phase :)

[green crystal]

small open source ones will still exist for roleplaying

[green crystal]

for anything that needs any amount of planning
some amount of reasoning will almost always give a more accurate response

[indigo kiln]

I'd rather have models that are just good enough than the best ones, honestly

For me, Gemini 2.0 Flash is still the best baseline

[gloomy cipher]

Well considering how fast gemini 2.5 flash lite is and it can reason aswell maybe yea

[young hollow]

Wow

[indigo kiln]

Reasoning process severely delays the final output

[young hollow]

My Conclusion both Non Reasoning and Reasoning will Co Exist within One Model If Deepseek 3.1 Succeeds

Just need a breakthrough for hybrid models

[green crystal]

have you seen how fast gemini flash can reason? lol

[indigo kiln]

You're probably right, as both Qwen3 235B Instruct and Reasoning coexist peacefully

[green crystal]

for some things that are complex ofcourse it'll take longer before you get an answer

[gloomy cipher]

I thought deepseek didn't spend any money in advertisement 😒

[green crystal]

most people are fine with longer wait times if the output is (mostly) reliable

[young hollow]

And they are Still Separate Models While Deepseek 3.1 is a united one

[indigo kiln]

I have seen how fast optimized hardware can reason, and Google TPUs are not that fast

[young hollow]

I think they spent in china not worldwise

[green crystal]

gemini is optimized for their hardware

also eh try flash and flash lite

[gloomy cipher]

I was referring to you....

[green crystal]

they're very fast

[gloomy cipher]

😂

[young hollow]

I wish lol Deepseek is just really my favourite one

[gloomy cipher]

Gemini 🔦 is incredible

[dry kestrel]

This is pretty dang fast

[indigo kiln]

Alibaba decided to separate them because sometimes Qwen3 could just ignore your /no_think keyword

[young hollow]

😂 🤣

[young hollow]

Ikr but if deepseek Succeeds others would follow for cost Efficiency

It costs less to run one model then Multiple

[indigo kiln]

OpenAI's GPT-OSS 120B model running on Cerebras's hardware is much more impressive :)

[gloomy cipher]

I really don't trust ai handling it's own settings.

[dry kestrel]

Thats.... cerebras

[young hollow]

Perhaps qwen didn't get the breakthrough for hybrid model method

[young hollow]

That remains a issue i wish they would give as much control possible

[green crystal]

thats kind of already happening

[gloomy cipher]

The original price of input is 0.07. So don't you think there is a reason why it's 0.25 here?

Because the provider provides fast models for a higher price

Aka cerebras

[indigo kiln]

The original price of input is 0.07.
Do you mean Chutes?

[young hollow]

True actually

[gloomy cipher]

Ncompass actually but chutes is similar

[indigo kiln]

Oh wow. Looks like it's already fast enough

[gloomy cipher]

It's fast

I dont understand the issue here..

[indigo kiln]

I just missed the moment when the other providers reached 500+ TPS on that exact model, my bad

[gloomy cipher]

If you are comparing to gemini 🔦 i dont think it's a fair comparison

Because the model weight on gemini must be much higher

[young hollow]

I wonder what parameters gemini has

[gloomy cipher]

Secret

[young hollow]

Ikr

Same for gpt5, grok, claude

CLOSE SOURCED

Maybe around 1 Trillion Parameters i guess

1 Trillion just feels a sweet spot to me for these models

[gloomy cipher]

That's low compared to kimi k2

[indigo kiln]

2.5 Pro: multiple trillions of total params (secret, my approximation), 288B active
2.5 Flash: hundreds of billions of total params (also a secret, my approximation), 17B active

[gloomy cipher]

What about 🔦

[young hollow]

He said billions of parameters 17B Active

[indigo kiln]

You can only guess

[gloomy cipher]

That's flash

Not flash lite

🔦🔦

[young hollow]

Ohhh sry

U really like flash lite?

[green crystal]

hmm there arent any numbers for gpt-5 mini and nano

[young hollow]

So my Conclusion is

The top current advanced wester ai models

Are Somewhere around the range of 1.5-3 Trillion Parameters

[indigo kiln]

Take it with a grain of salt

[gloomy cipher]

So similar to oss?

[young hollow]

Can you do this for each model? Gpt5, opus 4.1, grok 4?

[indigo kiln]

Could be, or couldn't. I tried to predict it based on other Gemini 2.5 models :)

[indigo kiln]

We don't know anything about those, you can imagine any huge number and consider it valid

[young hollow]

My Conclusion is 1.5-3 Trillions Parameters

[muted jetty]

gpt 5 thinking max only?? why??

[obsidian umbra]

@distant aurora my phone arrvied!!!

yippee

[dry kestrel]

yooo, what phone?

[obsidian umbra]

did u mean trillion ?

[obsidian umbra]

15pm

[young hollow]

Yes yes

Mb

[dry kestrel]

Nice

You should install the beta hehe

[obsidian umbra]

it'll only cost like 400$

over 2 years

[dry kestrel]

Carrier plan?

[obsidian umbra]

bc its "like new"

[serene sand]

you can’t have champagne on a beer budget

[obsidian umbra]

battery health is 100% tho n its untouched from what i can see

[obsidian umbra]

yea

[dry kestrel]

First time I've seen you chat without emojis

[indigo kiln]

Costs twice as much as o3, but doesn't perform that much better. Maybe that's why

[obsidian umbra]

we got 130$ for 4 lines w north america wide calling, texting, and 60 gigs of "unlimited" data + my phone

we were paying 120$ before with only 3 people on it