#Questions about how to lock FPS in x3 generator mode

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heavy crypt
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I have a 1440p 75hz monitor, so to use the x3 frame generator I need to lock the game's fps to 25fps. And if it were 4x I would need to lock the fps at 18.7fps. And that?

twilit pulsar
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for what?

quiet solar
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Correct, but that sounds horrible, just use x2?

twilit pulsar
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as far as I know it is solved with rtss but it is not exact)

heavy crypt
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Hmmm

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Generalizing, my question was whether it is always necessary to divide the monitor's hertz according to the multiplication of frames

quiet solar
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No

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You just want it under

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I'm currently doing 75x3 on my 240hz monitor

twilit pulsar
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no

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quiet solar
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?

twilit pulsar
quiet solar
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What?

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Just sharing?

twilit pulsar
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yes...

quiet solar
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K

twilit pulsar
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I mainly use x2 and x4 intermediate x3 not interested.

heavy crypt
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Taking advantage of the topic, do you know of any settings that reduce ghosting?

twilit pulsar
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Well, it depends on the game where it is there and somewhere it is not there at all as an option to turn off all sorts of settings that add garbage to the screen

quiet solar
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I use all 3, depends on the game of course.
As for ghosting, I don't have a solution as I haven't experienced it myself

heavy crypt
twilit pulsar
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I don't use frame lock at all

quiet solar
twilit pulsar
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By the way, try the beta version of LSS in steam properties.

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quiet solar
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Go read g-sync 101 on blurbusters

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Even if you don't have g-sync

heavy crypt
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Sometimes the game at 30 fps runs smoother and more pleasantly than at 60 fps with lossless. I can't understand this

quiet solar
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Than 30x2 do you mean?

twilit pulsar
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I've tried lss in many games and honestly don't see the point of locking frame rates for example, right now I'm playing borderlands 3,dishonored 2,delta force hawk ops,metal gear solid 5 phantom pain I don't use x4 everywhere for example in mgs 5 it looks worse than x2

heavy crypt
twilit pulsar
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im just switch between x2 and x4

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quiet solar
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Yes, but how are you getting 60? which multiplier?

twilit pulsar
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I used this method when I had a not quite legal version of the program now I switched to a license and sit on the beta version only the program of course became much better than before

heavy crypt
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Yes, lock 30 and x2 on lls

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twilit pulsar
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maybe it helps

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twilit pulsar
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When I bought a new monitor with gsync ( not full gsync ) I stopped seeing rips like before it is much cooler than vsync

heavy crypt
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Hmmm

ruby frost
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Rain only mode you need for 75 hz monitor is x2 not x3 or x4

heavy crypt
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So, always lock 37fps x2? according to lossless recommendations

ruby frost
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That is low even

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i have 144 hz monitor and i almost never use x3 since there are artifacts

quiet solar
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They only have 75hz

ruby frost
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I mean even x2 is low fps for frame gen

quiet solar
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But it's the highest they can go

ruby frost
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I think you should always use x2 with no performance mode

heavy crypt
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Yes

ruby frost
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If artifacts are not bad then okay

heavy crypt
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Probably in some games I will need to use x3

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I have a gtx 1650

ruby frost
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Instead of x3 you can use 30x2

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Do you have gsync?

heavy crypt
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Yes

ruby frost
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25 fps is pretty low for frame gen it wont be pleasent

heavy crypt
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25x3 no?

ruby frost
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If you can tolarate the artifacts why not

heavy crypt
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Hmm

ruby frost
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Whatever we say you will decide what is best for you

twilit pulsar
ruby frost
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If you want lower input lag you can use 1 fps less than you cap at then use allow tearing option

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instead of 25x3, 24x3 allow tearing for example (to enable gsync)

heavy crypt
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What you said makes sense, I'll do some tests

twilit pulsar
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I use a 3060ti and my method works perfectly for it and my fps is not so low max 40 I can't speak for weaker video cards I apologize if I misinformed you

heavy crypt
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No problem, I understood what you meant

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My board is extremely outdated, so I need to figure out the best possible settings to reduce as much discomfort as possible. Mainly from tearing and ghosting and delays that make me feel motion sick

ruby frost
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There must not be any tearing with gsync

quiet solar
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Not if it's under max hz

heavy crypt
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Currently I want to try to make FF XVI enjoyable to play, I'm doing some tests on the demo to see if it will work

ruby frost
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you should try 36x2 with sync mode allow tearing gsync enabled

quiet solar
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Are you sure playing without LS isn't more enjoyable?

heavy crypt
ruby frost
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If the is getting like 50 fps or something like that then enabling 36x2 would be best

quiet solar
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I disagree

ruby frost
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Why exactly?

heavy crypt
ruby frost
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With allow tearing option input lag is almost non existent

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with 1440p you should enable upscaling

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from like 900 p

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or something like that with ls 1

quiet solar
heavy crypt
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Why?

ruby frost
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Fps is more important than pixels maybe that is the reason

quiet solar
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Why what? How can your base fps be lower without LS?

ruby frost
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You cannot use 1440p with that gpu

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i have 3060ti and even i cannot go for 1440p in anything (most of the time for new games)

quiet solar
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You can do any res* with any GPU

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Playable fps though? No

ruby frost
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1440p is beneficial in his case though

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He can upscale to 1440p i can only upscale to 1080p for example

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if you enable ls 1 upscaling with 900p to 1440p then your fps will be much better i hope

heavy crypt
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Complicated, I share this screen with an xsx

quiet solar
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A what

ruby frost
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xsx?

heavy crypt
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Xbox series x

quiet solar
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Ah

ruby frost
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i meant you use 900p in a game then upscale to 1440p

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you dont need to set your screen to 900p or anything

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Just a number to start on

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He will test it

heavy crypt
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How do I do this?

ruby frost
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If it was 1080p i would suggest 831p which is ultra quality fsr

heavy crypt
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Is it better to use amd fsr or lsc?

ruby frost
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You change your game res to 900p then in lossless automatic, fullscreen upscaler ls 1 with sharpness slider at 0 or 1 your preference

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if game has fsr 2 or anything like that just enable it

quiet solar
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900P is 1600 × 900 btw

ruby frost
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Probably game has it ff 16 you said right?

heavy crypt
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Yes

ruby frost
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it should have upscaling options

twilit pulsar
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I don't really understand he used 1440p without upscaling?

ruby frost
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just enable it to lowest possible res you dont mind playing

heavy crypt
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I think that for me, resolution is an absolute priority hahaha

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But I will try to reduce it

ruby frost
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even though you get 22-25 fps?

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that is not playable even by itself 😄

heavy crypt
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25x3 could perform miracles

ruby frost
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You cannot go for it though

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not even x2 with that fps

heavy crypt
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but it doesn't happen

ruby frost
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you need upscaling for sure

heavy crypt
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Yes

twilit pulsar
ruby frost
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He cannot use dlss

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Dlss is like a miracle

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i use 720p to 1080p and sometimes even better than native lol

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if you use amd fsr 1 for instance it is like mud

twilit pulsar
ruby frost
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you have no idea how different they are

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fsr 2 a bit closer but still not a competition

quiet solar
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^

twilit pulsar
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Well, as for me, the dlss has better antialiasing less artifacts, but it is not critical.

ruby frost
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using dlss 3.7.2?

quiet solar
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I still suggest just not using LS

twilit pulsar
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basically the second version

quiet solar
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XD

heavy crypt
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Dlss is better than ls1 and fsr?

ruby frost
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You know you can update dlss right?

twilit pulsar
ruby frost
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dlss is miles ahead anything you can imagine

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Only rtx cards though

twilit pulsar
heavy crypt
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Ih

quiet solar
heavy crypt
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Not work on gtx?

ruby frost
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You can change dlss presets in nvidia inspector. That is where you will see the difference

twilit pulsar
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ruby frost
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There are presets for dlss. Each preset has its advantages and disadvantages

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No you can do in all

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You set a preset it applies to all dlss games

quiet solar
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I read it wrong, thought you said dlsstweaks for some reason

ruby frost
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You can check it in game even what preset you are using

twilit pulsar
ruby frost
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preset is different than those

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some presets have less ghosting clearer image etc. Best one to use is preset e now after dlss 3.

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Some games use the worst preset so you need to change it to get better image

twilit pulsar
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For 2k the balance is perfect at 4k I tried the performance is also ok but probably worse still than the balance

ruby frost
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That is not preset bro

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Those are resolutions

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You should search on internet

twilit pulsar
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I really don't know what you're talking about. It's the first time I've heard of any presets.

ruby frost
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search on internet you can easily find it

twilit pulsar
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I've only seen this kind of thing in mods that add dlss like in Starfield and Fallout 4.

ruby frost
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read this for starters

twilit pulsar
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I honestly don't see the point of it if I can only see the difference in the zoomed-in screenshots.

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Game developers don't seem to notice the difference either and continue to put the second version in games like hunt showdown.

ruby frost
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only thing you need to do download nvidia inspector then download this https://www.nexusmods.com/site/mods/781?tab=files (optional files, NVIDIA Profile Inspector XML). Copy file to nvidia inspector folder. It makes dlss appear in nvidia inspector. Then in inspector change dlss preset to e. (You should update your games dlss to 3.7.2 to work better)

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If you dont use nvidia inspector i recommend using it. It has many settings you can change that are not in control panel.

twilit pulsar
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I had it, but I never found a use for it, and neither did the nvidia control panel.

ruby frost
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I dont know if your gpu can use rebar but you can enable rebar in there or disable nvidia ansel in there.

twilit pulsar
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Of course it can, it's the rtx 30 series.

ruby frost
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Sorry lol i forgot you had that

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Funny enough i have the same card 😄

twilit pulsar
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3060ti gddr6x?

ruby frost
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not sure if with x or not

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rebar increase fps in games like i said you can enable in there

twilit pulsar
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without X there's a defect with hynix memory

ruby frost
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i have had no problems so far

twilit pulsar
ruby frost
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I know but to be sure it is better to enable in nvidia too

twilit pulsar
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I don't think it's gonna make a difference.

ruby frost
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We cannot know for sure

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Since it is disabled by default in nvidia inspector it means it can be disabled even if you enable in bios

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I did enabled it in bios too by the way

twilit pulsar
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No, it's not off, because there's a video to see if it makes a difference with or without it, and it does.

ruby frost
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okay then

twilit pulsar
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I think the inspector is more for game developers than regular users.

ruby frost
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You should change your dlss preset to get better image quality. I left how you can do that in there. If you want you can do so

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It is much better than default preset

twilit pulsar
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I wouldn't say it's much better personally I didn't notice any difference in screenshots at all))))))

ruby frost
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You will be easily tell if you try it

twilit pulsar
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Personally, I'd rather play the game than stand around looking at pixels a kilometer away.

ruby frost
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lol that is not what this is

twilit pulsar
ruby frost
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In some games even at highest res dlss game looks bad.

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Setting a preset fixes that issue

twilit pulsar
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i don't know this games sorry

ruby frost
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Presets are predefined options developers choose from. Many developers use bad ones or technology improves other presets but they dont update it

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You even dont have any idea what im talking about it feels like

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Im trying to help you but you refuse to get help lol

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okay then play games with worse image quality

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why would i care

twilit pulsar
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The only bad upscaler I've seen in helldivers 2 and it's not dlss or fsr not even garbage from intel

ruby frost
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bro you havent tried it yet. You dont know how it can be

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If you think those are good it will be better

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Your choice i wont say anything else

twilit pulsar
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I still don't know what you mean I don't see the difference between dlss balance and native and you tell me that dlss can be even better it's funny)))))

ruby frost
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You dont understand english?

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Maybe that is why we cannot communicate

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dlss quality balance performance they are resolutions

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Dlss presets are predefined options developers choose from which effects ghosting, image quality, sharpness.

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You get it?

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You can only change dlss presets with dlss tweaks or nvidia inspector. When you set dlss preset in nvidia inspector it effects all games. You dont need to change it for each game

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If you change dlss preset you will get less ghosting clearer and sharper image. Resolution is not related to it at all.

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With nvidia inspector you can even force a scaling ratio for games (dlss) or force dlaa instead of dlss in games.

twilit pulsar
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maybe u dont understand english i cant see difference between dlss and native resolution for what i do need do this?

ruby frost
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reason is there i have written it

twilit pulsar
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u dont read i got it

ruby frost
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It basically increase dlss's quality

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if you think it is same as native it will feel even better

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it means

twilit pulsar
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I DONT SEE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DLSS AND NATIVE RESOLUTION THATH'S MEEN I DONT SEE GHOSTING and etc.

ruby frost
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okay bro you are pretty thick headed i wont try to explain it anymore i get it. That is the thing i got

twilit pulsar
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facepalm

ruby frost
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You have no idea about dlss technology. That is what i get

twilit pulsar
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i dont see difference between dlss and native LOL

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in native i dont have ghosting like in dlss

ruby frost
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i tell you it increases its quality which means it will even be better

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you not seeing difference does not mean it cannot be improved

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That is what you dont get

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In many cases dlss is much better than native

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in 4k for example

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You do it or not do it i dont care

twilit pulsar
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I've never had a dlss be better than nativ except for the smoothing, which is perfect.

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even in quality

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I used dlss on an old monitor that has full hd on a new one that has 2k and on a 4k TV and nowhere did it make the picture better exactly in quality the only thing that changed was antialiasing that's all

ruby frost
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sorry but you are pretty ignorant person

twilit pulsar
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You don't even read what I write.

ruby frost
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I read it. You just have no idea what you are talking about. You dont even know what preset is. I researched on dlss so many times. You probably never even looked up what is up with it. You just talk non sense again and again. When opposite side is this ignorant it starts getting annoying.

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Dont even bother answering

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Instead of talking you could have just tried what i offered you. It would take your 2 mins only. Then you could decide if that is worth it or not. I cannot tolarate people like you. You talk like you know everything but dont know a thing

twilit pulsar
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you tell me that dlss regular is better than nativ and this will be even better i tell you i don't see any difference between dlss and nativ you tell me the same thing again well lol