Problem while streaming with moonlight via sunshine

[reef tendon]

Hey! looking into everything connected to my problem i still cant get my solution, trying to scale tekken 8 with also streaming my game to moonlight/sunshine the game doesnt scale on my phone, i read tho i should use wgc, but when using it, LS shows 700fps and the game basically stutters into oblivion almost freezing all time,maybe im doing something wrong, any help?

[rotund night]

Moonlight might not be capturing the LS itself though

also, it is not a good idea to stream games with LS using moonlgiht or sunshine

since those services start the game separately either way

[reef tendon]

actually i stream my whole desktop from moonlight

so it always captures my main display

it captures LS when wgc capture api is selected

but the game becomes unplayable then

[rotund night]

have you tried DXGI

[reef tendon]

yeah, but then moonlight doesnt recognize the scaling and the game just plays as it wasnt scaled

even though on my display it scales it to 240fps

[rotund night]

hmmm.

youre streaming this to...your phone?

which has, how much Hz display? 90Hz? 120? 60?

[reef tendon]

120hz

moonlight is also set to stream to my phone to 1080p120hz

[rotund night]

but the games are above that?

with LS I mean

[reef tendon]

yeah, they are but this is not the problem you are thinking of

to be more specific

after clicking the scale button and focusing on the Tekken 8 for example

[rotund night]

maybe moonlight has a setting that lets you capture the whole screen for real

not just via the same API that LS uses, which makes it incapturable

[reef tendon]

on my display it scales it to 240fps and shows it with fps counter

[rotund night]

yea I know what your problem is

LS isnt being captured

[reef tendon]

but on my phone, it doesnt recognize the scale, doesnt show the fps counter aswell

i saw some other posts that its the problem of the capture api

changing to wgc

[rotund night]

so moonlight is based on this NVIDIA streaming thing right?

I think I know your issue

maybe

[reef tendon]

yeah it was, but im using sunshine as a replacement

[rotund night]

its worth a try

[reef tendon]

as it better at performing and nvidia dropped the support altogether with the nvidia app annoucment

[rotund night]

try adding the program (LS) in the Nvidia control panel settings

just add the program and dont change any settings

[rotund night]

yea but it is still based on it

[reef tendon]

where exactly?

[rotund night]

moonlight and sunshine do not work on AMD GPUs do they?

[rotund night]

3D settings

[reef tendon]

i dont know to be honest

[rotund night]

most likely not

[reef tendon]

i think sunshine actually supports it

will check

[rotund night]

its worth a try though

ill be right back got some things to do

try it though

[reef tendon]

it does support it

[reef tendon]

nope, didnt work at all sadly

[rotund night]

so youre saying WGC doesnt work

have you tried limiting the framerate to half 120 (59)?

might solve the stuttering and so on

also turn off g sync since its streaming

[reef tendon]

yeah, the problem with tekken that its locked by default to 60 fps to i tried to do it to 30 by rivatuner

but still same problem

fps shown 700

game feels like 2fps

[rotund night]

try nvidia control panel limit

just do it 1 frame less

59

[reef tendon]

for LS or whole?

[rotund night]

for the game

only the game

[reef tendon]

okay i didnt tried this yet

but got some interesting information

moonlight for some reason streamed diffrent display

and on my phone it was display 2

when i scaled the game with wgc

it was not stuttering

and game was boosted to 320fps

[rotund night]

so you solved the issue

[reef tendon]

after reconnecting the moonlight on my phone it streamed display 1 and once again broken the frames

[rotund night]

hmmm

maybe moonlight has some settings you can change?

display wise

[reef tendon]

tried changing max framerate tried changing frame pacing preference

still the same

[rotund night]

so you have multi display mode on in LS

and screen to Auto?

maybe try making it not auto

[reef tendon]

nope, doesnt make any difference

[rotund night]

hold on

maybe you need to change the fullscreen settings in the moonlight app

or sunshine or both

[reef tendon]

i will get back to it as i need to go out for now

will update if i get any progress

thanks for the help anyway 😄

[random flicker]

Here's how I use it : I stream at 720p/60hz. Higher resolutions and framerates require more bandwidth and may create stutters

And it's not very useful on small screens anyway

I don't scale, only FG

on Moonlight, I stream through USB using USB modem option on Android settings, WIFI is too unreliable for a stutterless streaming

[ember bough]

Try double buffer

And without vsync

Off (allow tearing)

[random flicker]

Monnlight settings : resolution 720, 60hz, bitrate around 30/40 Mb (higher bitrate creates stutters). framepacing : prefer quality

[random flicker]

Yes indeed vsync is useless for moonlight

[ember bough]

Use USB 3.0 minimum for stream that much or USB C port

[random flicker]

With this setup, I get a very smooth result. Not as smooth as the real thing but not bad

[random flicker]

yes I use USB 3

[ember bough]

For USB C u might need an adapter of high quality

USB C is generaly faster than 3.0

[random flicker]

I can reach the maximum moonlight bitrate (150 Mb) for a great image quality but more stutters

[ember bough]

Also use MSI Utility V3 and make sure the compatible Devices are in MSI mode

And priority to High

[random flicker]

On Sunlight, depending if the game requires more GPU or CPU power, I use NVENC or Software

[ember bough]

Is better if u have gpu set to MSI mode

[ember bough]

Check on guru3d site and take MSI Utility v3

[ember bough]

And see if Nvidia gpu is in MSI mode, by default Nvidia dirvers dont enable MSI mode

And only this software can enabke it

[random flicker]

Didn't know anything about that, will try

[ember bough]

It gives less cpu overhead and more fps gain also stability

But dont check the boxex if that specific device dont have MSI or MSIX

If is else dont check the box for that device

But u can set all devices on high priority safely

[random flicker]

I guess I can check MSI ?

[ember bough]

Yes

[random flicker]

Yay

[ember bough]

Check for all who said msi or msix

But not for linebased

Like if is one line that said linebased then is no

If is 2 or 3 lines that said linebased but have msi or msix too is good to enable

And for all devices set from undefined to high

Is safe for all devices

Then press Apply and restart PC

And your pc will be faster, not only gpu but everyhing

Is a featrue for newer devices

To comunicate with cpu more eficientely and asyncronius

Like individual

[wispy rune]

JUST USE LSFG ON MOONLIGHT DEVICE INSTEAD OF SUNSHINE DEVICE

it always works without any problem on my laptop

[ember bough]

Yea but he could be on pc

@random flicker it worked? I hope u did as i said not different

Otherwise is not my fault of windows cant boot

[wispy rune]

either way as he gaming on windows

[ember bough]

Yes but laptop and pc is a bit different

In term of hardware

[reef tendon]

as i said in the message you are replying to

im using a phone

as far as i am concerned there isnt any LS on phones

[wispy rune]

so you are using Ls on shunshine device to get 120fps/60fps its adds much latency + moonlight latency kinda useless + worse quality debends on your network

[reef tendon]

Im using LS on my Sunshine Machine (PC) to boost games that are locked to 60fps for example: Tekken 8 (Locked by developer), RPCS3 Emulated games, as they are preffered to be put to 60fps lock, and any games that i put to ultra that doesnt achieve 120fps minimum, then i stream my game to my phone (Iphone 13 Pro Max) as i use it with a controller that basically turns it into a budget Steamdeck so i can play games from my bed with 1080p120hz at 40 Mbps bitrate, latency on moonlight while streaming is near to 0 as i tested it and it was somewhere in the low 3ms and high 5ms

[left ridge]

The only way I’ve gotten lsfg to work with moonlight/sunshine without noticeable latency is to change the VSYNC option in NVCP Global and LS program in NVCP to let 3D application decide, then use WGC api (allow tearing too) while also limiting the fps of LS in RTSS (with reflex instead of async) to -3 of your monitors refresh rate. I found this way gets rid of most latency and artifacting that comes with LSFG.

From everything that I’ve seen besides one person, moonlight/sunshine is incapable of picking up the DX api

[random flicker]

yes no problems so far

[random flicker]

1080 120hz must require a lot of power on both the client and server for streaming

add to that ls scaling and fg

and the wifi packet losses

i d start by trying lower resolution and framerate

30 fps was the most reliable I found on moonlight

60 fps has some stutters

and 120 is a stutter hell even on usb

[reef tendon]

with the pc im currently using it really isnt a strugle, same for wifi i can stream in 120fps 1080p easily to my iphone

im just gonna stick to not using loseless scaling if i want to play games on my phone

its not really a must have

was just curious why wasnt it working

most of the games work flawlessly on this setup anyways :V

[reef tendon]

the delay for this is in 3-5ms

[left ridge]

Enable Default for WGC API or enable tearing but limit the fps of lossless scaling to below the refresh rate of your monitor.