X3 has a lot of blur and visual artifacts

[fresh cloud]

Why X3 mode is too blurry and has artifacts compared to x2 or lsfg 2.0?

[merry gulch]

because it creates 2 frames for every 1 real frame, instead of 1 like x2.

[oblique eagle]

it is harder, but things that cause this are usually, super high GPU usage before using LSFG and so the software doesn't run properly and has more faults(artifacts and stutters), or you have a super low fps bad performance and stutters and it doesn't have much data to work with

LSFG needs a lot of data to work with process and output and the more data it has (fps) the better the results will be and the more headroom it has the higher quality those results will be

and so make sure you have at least 30-40 FPS and that the game doesn't max out GPU usage or it doesn't reach more than 80%

and that you have propper settings

[analog hawk]

30 FPS is poor base. 40-45 is best for high quality final

[tidal moon]

it should be similar if the end fps is different. If end fps is same that means your base fps is lowering which always means quality loss. Like, 60 to 120 vs 60 to 180 should be similar quality, but 40 to 120 vs 60 to 120 is a massive difference, with 40 to 120 being much worse

[oblique eagle]

i personally don't issues at 30 fps render, even 20 worked well

[tidal moon]

well then you're not looking at any fast motions

I still prefer interpolation on 30

vs native 30

but I would never use it like that unless the game is hard capped at 30

I'm surprised so many of the users are happy with it at such low base fps

[quiet hatch]

With 2x you are only generating every other frame. This means that artifacts are on screen 1/2 the time.
With 3x you are generating 2 frames for every 1 real one, meaning that artifacts are on screen 2/3 of the time.
With that in mind it should be obvious why artifacts are more visible with 3x.

[oblique eagle]

i dunno, what matters are the results, i am probably being carried by VRR from AMD and anti lag from both nvidia and amd

[tidal moon]

you do nvidia render and amd output?

and the latency isn't the problem

I just mean the quality

definitely lots of artifacts with 30fps base

[oblique eagle]

Yeah

No issue whatsoever

I sometimes do AMD oupot and framegen plus scale

While Nvidia does render only

If ths adds super sample there's gonna a bunch of users doing dual gpu setups

Imagine 2 dgpu 1 for msaa4 framegen and scale and 1 for render

[analog hawk]

30-45 FPS base to FG, no final.

[tidal moon]

I think you can already super sample

you definitely can with just a nvidia gpu

idk how that works on 2 gpu setup

[oblique eagle]

it works because LS is a standalone app

that records your screen and works with your screen data

well more exactly focused window data

then gives you a fullscreen stream of what is happening + the altered data

[tidal moon]

but nvidia supersampling increases lsfg requirements because it makes your screen actually high resolution and then downscales it on the cable not in the OS

idk if amd's is different

like if you do 4k render DSR then lsfg has to interpolate at 4k

not your display resolution

of like 1080p

[oblique eagle]

i dunno but some super sample or just upscale that increases all in window pixel density would be awesome

might do that in custom mode but i have no idea how to use that xd

[tidal moon]

I don't know if LS can even do that. If he ported LSFG to gamescope in linux it would definitely enable that

that would enable lots of new features

[valid lance]

i hope they will reduce the artifacts in X3 because its pretty distracting and annoying. pretty please get rid of it 😉👍

[tidal moon]

higher base fps means lower movement per frame, also using quality mode

I'm sure quality will improve again in the future, but it will guaranteed mean higher gpu usage

[valid lance]

oh i dont mind that. I have a RTX4090 so alot of headroom. Its i love to play my games in 4K with a smooth 120 fluidness. Many games cant dont that in native. So this was a Godgift..
now to get rid of all the artifacts and im the happpiest person in the world

[tidal moon]

well better to hit 120 and go to 360 than hit 40 and go to 120

but I realize lots of games are coded like trash and designed not to hit 60fps even on 4090

[valid lance]

i got a 240hz screen

exactely !

[tidal moon]

then 120 to 240, even slightly less artifacts than 120 to 360hz

but not as smooth as 360hz or 480hz

[tidal moon]

that's why I mostly play old games man hahah

[valid lance]

yes but to hit 120fps is a challenge even for a 4090 in 4K granted it uses FG and DLSS

[tidal moon]

hard to agree with modern dev decision to go back to n64 like performance

super low rendering res and super low fps targets

with blur to blend over dither patterns(taa)

[valid lance]

the old games realy realy benefit from LS but also some games like DD2 AND jedi survivor got rid of the microstutter

[tidal moon]

just like the old days really

lol

return to early 3d game design basically

[valid lance]

the old days were the golden days

[tidal moon]

instead of clean sharp graphics of early 2010s

[valid lance]

back to PS1 graphics

[tidal moon]

that's what I miss late 00 to early 2010s visuals before TAA existed

[valid lance]

games like FF7 and WipEout 3

i can see you are a man of culture !

[tidal moon]

so much cleaner than modern games

low res textures sure

but the sharpness and clarity of visuals

can't touch it in any AAA games today

it's just lost

well, unless you go play switch games in an emu

since they have no temporal stuff

[valid lance]

its a lost art indeed

the 16bit games back in the days were back then the pinnacle of videographics

[tidal moon]

ok yeah 16 bit 2d was also a golden era lol 1000fps/1000hz motion clarity on anyone' basic tv

even with just 60fps lock

because of crt

that also got lost with early 3d and everything getting 30fps cap or less

now we are coming back baby! High hz and high fps for return to crt clarity and also way smoother

[valid lance]

high five !