untold path
My monitor is 144hz, and in-game fps is 40, so the expected fps should be 120, but the fps counter displayed 144/144, which is not true. This problem can be replicated by closing minecraft and reopen it. Reboot is the temporarily fix for this problem.
OS: Windows 11 pro 24H2
Minecraft version: Java 1.20.1 Fabric
My spec:
14900k
RTX 4090
64GB RAM
Driver: 555.85
Update: This happens to not only Minecraft.
queen ferry
It seems to be random for me too
Created a ticket yesterday about it.
It randomly worked and stopped working when tabbing out and in out of the game
In my case Hogwarts Legacy
untold path
sorry I don't have Hogwarts Legacy, but frame gen in Elden ring doesn't work either in my case.
FPS is capped to 60 by the game, but the fps counter will just show 288fps, which is simply double of my monitor refresh rate 144hz.
queen ferry
Application/window detection in the new version seems to be a bit bugged
untold path
I also tried 2.8.2, this problem persists
queen ferry
I didn't have that problem in the old version strangely enough
untold path
All I can do now is to reboot my pc, or is it a Windows problem? I'm on 24H2.
queen ferry
I'm still on Windows 10 22H2
untold path
So it seems it's cross-game issue, maybe I can change the title.
hard garden
FPS is capped to 60 by the game, but the fps counter will just show 288fps, whic...
this can be caused by multiple stuff
is your capture api in LS set to dxgi or wgc?
do you have any overlays running? steam overlay or anything can interfere
enable vsync max in LS
if none of those work, then it's quite possibly driver settings issue. some solve this by setting everything to default or running DDU and reinstalling a driver fresh
untold path
this can be caused by multiple stuff
is your capture api in LS set to dxgi or w...
API is DXGI; RTSS, nvidia, steam overlays are off.
hard garden
that's fine. then i guess check the vsync thing or last-resort is the driver settings/reinstall
untold path
Ok, I'll try reinstall driver later.
untold path
that's fine. then i guess check the vsync thing or last-resort is the driver set...
Vsync max in LS doesn't fix the problem
fps counter just shows 144/144 in 2.9, and 288 in 2.8.2
hard garden
oh wait holdon
can you confirm your game is actually being capped?
nvm, i see you tested elden ring
queen ferry
Had the exakt same thing
Tested Hogwarts legacy at a 48 FPS cap
Sometimes it showed 48/144 and it was really smooth
Other times it showed 144/144 and was really jittery
hard garden
🤷♂️
untold path
Had the exakt same thing
Tested Hogwarts legacy at a 48 FPS cap
Sometimes it sho...
Yes, seems frame gen didn’t activate because LS “thinks” the fps is the same to the monitor refresh rate.
untold path
Yeah
Some kinda detection error
Agreed.
I’ll update this thread as soon as possible, after using DDU and reinstalling driver.
queen ferry
My driver is relatively fresh so idk
But sure try it
untold path
Sorry, I've run into another problem for windows, I have to perform a clean install first.
24H2 broke win+alt+b shortcut toggling HDR.
past elbow
I’m also having this issue, LFG is not working for Minecraft for me
warm monolith
Happens with me too in Company of heroes 3, rebooting pc is the temporary fix. Sometimes frames get 4 times the capped fps. I cap it to 37 but it shows around 130 fps. This issue started after the last official update. Earlier was using the beta versions.
cloud summit
it started to happen to me too in all my games too since the update, I was using driver 552.12 and did a fresh install of 555.85 to see if it would fix but nothing edit: laptop dumb, it was messing with LS
untold path
Happens with me too in Company of heroes 3, rebooting pc is the temporary fix. S...
Did you try downgrade LS version?
untold path
~~it started to happen to me too in all my games too since the update, I was usi...
Did you try downgrade LS version?
cloud summit
Did you try downgrade LS version?
I did, but funny enough messing around with stuff in my machine I found out that the color options in the control center app for my laptop acts as an OSD and was messing with LS 🤦♂️
untold path
I did, but funny enough messing around with stuff in my machine I found out that...
Interesting, I’ll try this.
warm monolith
Did you try downgrade LS version?
I didn't, but what I found is this only happened when I had YouTube running in PiP over my game.
flat iris
this has been happening to me too on AMD, i only got it to fix once by switching to admin mode, but after reboot it never worked again
I've tried it on SQUAD, Lost Judgement, Rust, Overwatch, and VLC. The fps is misread on all of them.
frame generation is completely bonked
queen ferry
Yeah there has to be some detection problem for real
flat iris
this can be caused by multiple stuff
is your capture api in LS set to dxgi or w...
Just to note I don't think its a driver issue, I rolled back all the way to last december's worth of driver updates trying to fix the issue and it didnt work.
flat iris
Also the issue is random across both GPU platforms, i see other people are having issues on nvidia cards but I have a laptop with a Nvidia gpu and frame generation works perfectly fine on that one
untold path
So after a clean install and testing few days, this problem become inconsistent. Sometimes I just rescale, but sometimes this way won’t work.
Also, rerolling driver, admin mode, downgrading LS aren’t working either.
queen ferry
What works for me:
Either click on the desktop shortcut in the bottom right corner of the task bar and then click the game's icon again (however on multiple screens that will cause discord on my second screen to disappear too and when I click on the discord icon to get it back it sometimes will read my desktop's FPS again)
Or while ingame press CTRL+Shift+Escape to open task manager while the game is running in the background and then close the task manager again (a bit more inconsistent solution, the above one works consistently for me)
untold path
What works for me:
Either click on the desktop shortcut in the bottom right corn...
I’ll give it a try, thank you!
The second method looks so strange xd
queen ferry
Yeah I was just experimenting haha
I think the reason is that something inside of windows sometimes takes over LS's focus.
The first method might work consistently because when clicking on that icon every program is automatically minimized and when you click on the game once more only that one will be in focus
untold path
Yeah, something is interfering this program. I guess maybe it’s some kind of overlay of windows
queen ferry
I hope one of my fixes will work for you
I constantly keep LS enabled while doing it by the way
So at first it will say 120/120 for example and when I click on the desktop thing and then on the game again it suddenly says 60/120
untold path
Yeah, something is interfering this program. I guess maybe it’s some kind of ove...
Maybe Game bar? I guess
untold path
I hope one of my fixes will work for you
I constantly keep LS enabled while doin...
I’ll try later, thank you
queen ferry
You're welcome 🙂
untold path
So suddenly this problem don't occur anymore for me. Maybe performing a clean install is the way to fix it.
past elbow
So suddenly this problem don't occur anymore for me. Maybe performing a clean in...
clean install of system of just lossless?
untold path
clean install of system of just lossless?
system.
flat iris
So suddenly this problem don't occur anymore for me. Maybe performing a clean in...
started working again after updated gpu drivers but it only worked once, never again after
untold path
started working again after updated gpu drivers but it only worked once, never a...
yes, this problem happens again to me
queen ferry
I just tried it out on Minecraft Java myself
Switching to desktop and then back ingame, then activate LS fixes it for me
coarse prairie
so i should do it in the 5 seconds time of scaling or before i even press the scale button or what
queen ferry
You can use the hotkey too
You can configure one in the LS settings
coarse prairie
i tried it still dont work
untold path
I just tried it out on Minecraft Java myself
Switching to desktop and then back ...
Emm, I forgot if I’ve tried this before
queen ferry
I had to play in fullscreen though or else it wouldn't work
eager prawn
Yeh this is happening to me now. I got it working great one time and now I can’t get it to work again
queen ferry
To anyone who has this and a second screen:
A user messaged me earlier with a fix: Set your second monitor as your first and vice versa. Then try it again on your main monitor (that is now selected as your second monitor) and it shouldn't happen anymore
eager prawn
To anyone who has this and a second screen:
A user messaged me earlier with a fi...
So how do I swap my game over from my second monitor?
queen ferry
So how do I swap my game over from my second monitor?
Most games can actively switch screen when you press Windows button + D
eager prawn
Alright man I’ll give it a try
eager prawn
I gotchu
queen ferry
Okay haha
eager prawn
Okay haha
My second monitor isn’t the same refresh rate as my main will that cause issues?
queen ferry
It shouldn't
It just tells Windows the order of the screens
Since you are still gonna be using Lossless on your higher refresh rate monitor it should register the higher refresh rate
eager prawn
It shouldn't
It just tells Windows the order of the screens
Since you are still ...
Yeah the game is leaking into my other monitor
queen ferry
Leaking?
eager prawn
queen ferry
Oh do your monitors have different resolutions too?
eager prawn
Oh do your monitors have different resolutions too?
Yessir
queen ferry
That might be problematic
eager prawn
Damn
queen ferry
I don't really know what you could do about it
If you could force the game to only be on your main monitor
eager prawn
I can’t change what screen the game is on
queen ferry
Not even with windows + right?
eager prawn
Nope
queen ferry
Does it work on discord for example at least?
eager prawn
Yes
queen ferry
Hm at least that's something
Are you playing Skyrim in borderless or windowed mode?
queen ferry
No not fullscreen
But you could try windowed mode instead
eager prawn
Would that mean playing on windowed mode?
queen ferry
Once you activate LS it should force the game into borderless
eager prawn
Okay this is what I did, I changed the aspect ratio to 1080x1920 and launched it onto my second monitor. Then I used ls and now im looking at this…
My main monitor is displaying a good fps but obviously this is unplayable
queen ferry
No you didn't do it correctly
What I initially did to fix this problem:
Play the game on the second monitor
And set LS to output to my first
Then it was pretty much like with your game currently - game was on both monitor's but the smoother gameplay was on the main monitor
However what you're supposed to do is set your second monitor as your main in windows and your main monitor as your second
So instead of 1 | 2 it should say 2 | 1
eager prawn
How do u set ls to output ur main?
queen ferry
There you can select the Outpit display
Set it to the monitor you want to play on
So the only thing you do different than else is you set your main monitor as your second and your second as your main
But you should set LS to output on your main monitor (the one now set as second) and you should also play on that monitor too
eager prawn
I’m not following
queen ferry
What exactly don't you understand?
eager prawn
The output thing isn’t working
My main monitor is 1440 and my second is 1080, might be the problem
queen ferry
What exactly isn't working?
queen ferry
Bruh
eager prawn
My main monitor is displaying it wrong
queen ferry
The FPS? Or the game?
queen ferry
Even though you play on your main and also use LS on your main?
queen ferry
What's your scaling mode set to in LS settings?
eager prawn
1
queen ferry
Try Auto and Fullscreen instead if it makes a difference
queen ferry
Why do you have the same image on your other monitor as well?
Isn't the Samsung one your main?
queen ferry
I still wish you'd explain a bit better lol
Regarding what you now did
eager prawn
Okay, I set the aspect ratio of the game to 1080x1920.
My second monitor (the Samsung) is now set to my main monitor.
Using LS I made the game show on my main monitor (asus).
I’m getting 120 fps, not quite the 144 but still great. But now I’m getting the game on both my monitors
queen ferry
You are doing it wrong
So do you wanna play the game on your Asus or Samsung monitor?
eager prawn
Asus
queen ferry
Set samsung as your main monitor in windows settings and asus as your second
Then select LS to output to your asus monitor
Then play the game on your asus monitor and then activate LS
eager prawn
That’s what I did do I think
queen ferry
That can't be it because then it wouldn't output the game on both monitors
eager prawn
Yeah the game is also in 1080p now which isn’t ideal
queen ferry
Which monitor is the 1080p one?
eager prawn
Both
queen ferry
I thought one of them is 1440p?
eager prawn
Yes but it’s showing as 1080
queen ferry
Can't you please answer the question? lol
eager prawn
What question
queen ferry
Which monitor is the 1080p one?
THIS QUESTION
Which of your two monitors is the native 1440p one?
queen ferry
Thank you
Okay so it probably took the information of the samsung one when you played it on that screen
Try restarting the game while it's on your asus monitor and then chances are that it A) should launch on the Asus one and B) should know that it can use 1440p too
eager prawn
I’ll try that now
queen ferry
If done correctly your Samsung Monitor shouldn't have anything to do with the game or LS either
Only your Asus one
queen ferry
Could you please elaborate what exactly "didn't work"?
I'm trying to help as much as I can but I need detailed explainations for that
eager prawn
Black box thing again
queen ferry
Is the game in 1440p? Or 1080p?
eager prawn
1080 at the time but it happens when it’s in 1440 too
queen ferry
And you're playing in windowed mode?
queen ferry
Doesn't Alt+Enter work? Or F11?
queen ferry
Bruh you give up quickly
queen ferry
What if you set LS scaling mode to Auto - Aspect ratio?
queen ferry
Another method that would be worth trying is using AMD Super Resolution to set your Samsung Monitor to 1440p
eager prawn
It’s only a 1080p monitor
queen ferry
I know that...
AMD Super Resolution allows your monitor to go above it's native resolution
It maybe doesn't look good but at least then both of your monitors are in 1440p and that should help LS
eager prawn
I’m getting 144fps using WGC and I think I can get used to the micro stuttering. It’s not that noticeable
queen ferry
At least it's something
queen ferry
Do you know what your GPU usage is while playing Skyrim?
queen ferry
Do you use Lossless performance mode?
eager prawn
Yes
queen ferry
x2 or x3?
eager prawn
2x
queen ferry
Hm okay
100% GPU usage means that your GPU is the cause of the stutters
You'd need to reduce your GPU usage a bit. Maybe by lowering some graphic settings
For LS to work properly you need a stable framerate
eager prawn
Even when I turn off ambient occlusion I’m not getting any bonuses
queen ferry
Because ambient occlusion isn't really that intense
You'd need to lower something like texture quality for example
eager prawn
My utilisation is at 80 tho
eager prawn
Ima have to shoot for an hour or 2 so if ur available then to carry on helping me that would be great lol
If not thanks for the help :))
queen ferry
I'll have to see
But I'm kinda reaching my limit about it haha
eager prawn
lol no worries me 2
queen ferry
But this is definitely not a plug and play app
It can require some long testing
eager prawn
I’m just baffled how it’s not working like it was last night
I didn’t change anything
queen ferry
Hm strange
eager prawn
What is meant by “latency” in capture api terms
queen ferry
What do you mean exactly?
eager prawn
What do you mean exactly?
Some options reduce latency
queen ferry
I don't know much about that
I just know that DXGI is the recommended API, followed by WGC and then GDI
flat iris
updated my drivers again and it stopped working -_-
untold path
What do you mean exactly?
May I ask if you enable DSR Factors?
queen ferry
Yeah
DSR x 4
DLDSR x 1.78 and 2.25
untold path
I'm now investigating if this is related to the problem. Now everything is suspected for me haha
queen ferry
Hm depends if AMD Super Resolution works with Factors as well since AMD users have this problem too
coarse prairie
updated my drivers again and it stopped working -_-
did u fix it
untold path
Hm depends if AMD Super Resolution works with Factors as well since AMD users ha...
Yeah I don’t believe this is the cause tbh. Not only the reason you mentioned, but also that is a function that rarely used imo.
And I think I’d try restarting explorer.exe via task manager next time.
queen ferry
That's an interesting approach
flat iris
did u fix it
nope im completelly boned
LS works on newest AMD drivers but my fan controller software doesnt, i rollback and fan controller works but LS doesnt 🤪
untold path
~~And I think I’d try restarting explorer.exe via task manager next time.~~
This doesn't work.
coarse prairie
LS works on newest AMD drivers but my fan controller software doesnt, i rollback...
.. i guess this problem is a driver issue
coarse prairie
nope im completelly boned
i guess you need to remove the windows activate water mark because it acts as an overlay and losless scaling will focus on it instead of your game and it will not work good if you already activated it then try to get rid of any overlay you have everything becuase its detection issue
flat iris
i guess you need to remove the windows activate water mark because it acts as an...
nah my copy of windows is already registered
coarse prairie
nah my copy of windows is already registered
like i said its a detection issue disable all overlays
untold path
The FPS counter is going more crazy XDDDD. It even shows 298/175.
untold path
Hi, I've found something new. I just tried disabling Adaptive sync from my monitor, renabled it, and the frame gen went back.
At least no need for reboot
lilac jacinth
Hi, I've found something new. I just tried disabling Adaptive sync from my monit...
I'll try this tomorrow! I've been having the same issue with Frame Gen sporadically working and then dying on me.
lilac jacinth
So using @untold path's method actually worked, though I'm facing another issue. The first time I use scale, everything works perfectly. But when I alt-tab and go back to the game, Lossless Scaling crashed and I have to restart it. The issue seems to be game-specific, as it happens in Batman Arkham Asylum, but not in Kingdom Come Deliverance.
untold path
That never happens to me. Maybe stop scaling before alt-tab next time
lilac jacinth
Good to know, I'll try that next
potent stag
So using <@609013645669826570>'s method actually worked, though I'm facing anoth...
Which method?
lilac jacinth
Which method?
I disabled and enabled Freesync in my AMD software, which seemed to fix the issue of LS not triggering and showing 144/144
untold path
Since I don't have multiple monitors, there are only two temporary fixes working for me:
lilac jacinth
That never happens to me. Maybe stop scaling before alt-tab next time
This worked perfectly. For future references, if the LS starts behaving weirdly when alt-tabbing, make sure to stop scaling before alt-tabbing, and start scaling again after tabbing back into the game.
untold path
Nice
potent stag
MHm oke sadly turning off/on Adaptive Sync doesnt do anything for me
Ok I found a fix finally: I downgraded my drives from nvidia to 552.44 (may I believe). Lossless scaling works now again
untold path
MHm oke sadly turning off/on Adaptive Sync doesnt do anything for me
Even in monitor's setting?
potent stag
Even in monitor's setting?
Yes sadly. But going to an earlier driver build fixed it
untold path
So I tried 2.10 beta, but this issue persists
queen ferry
So I tried 2.10 beta, but this issue persists
Can you try disabling Hardware Acceleration in Discord Video & Audio settings?
That fixed it for me
Earlier I discovered that my own personal fix (clicking the desktop shortcut and then on the game) didn't work because it minimized every app to help LS focus on the game alone but it was due to Discord then being inactive on my second monitor (usually discord is always running there)
When I minimized discord on my second monitor it immediately detected the FPS correctly.
Then I told the dev and he send me the fix regarding Discord hardware acceleration. Upon disabling that the FPS have been detected correctly even with discord being active on my second screen
untold path
Ok, that's interesting cause I tried closing discord but didn't fix the problem
I'll try now
untold path
Earlier I discovered that my own personal fix (clicking the desktop shortcut and...
Do I need to reboot? Or it will instantly fix the problem?
I disabled Hardware Acceleration, closed discord, but it still detects wrong fps
queen ferry
Worked instantly for me
untold path
let me try 2.9 then
No, not working
😦
Did the dev say anything else?
I still have to renable Adaptive sync in my monitor
from my observation, this issue might be related to the driver. Seems it happens quicker on driver 556.12 than 555.85
queen ferry
from my observation, this issue might be related to the driver. Seems it happens...
I'm on 556.12
untold path
I'm on 556.12
yesterday I tried disabling hardware acceleration and ingame overlay, also tried reboot, but still didn't fix the problem. I noticed this works for another person, sadly it's not for me.
queen ferry
I'm sorry
obtuse glade
so what are the possible fixes here? I tried different things and none worked 😦
obtuse glade
It didnt for me ☹️
untold path
downgrade to game ready driver 552.44 seems working for me
untold path
so what are the possible fixes here? I tried different things and none worked 😦
untold path
It didnt for me ☹️
If you use multi monitors, then there're other solutions
obtuse glade
What do you mean by reboot
untold path
What do you mean by reboot
Reboot your PC
obtuse glade
Just a restart?
untold path
downgrade to game ready driver 552.44 seems working for me
I'm trying this one
obtuse glade
I'll try the drivers downgrade. Thank you.
untold path
I'll try the drivers downgrade. Thank you.
NP, if it's possible, please share if this really works after tests. Thanks!
obtuse glade
For sure, will report if it works.
obtuse glade
so it didnt work for me. The drivers you listed are for notebook haha. I tried updating mine but still no good
untold path
so it didnt work for me. The drivers you listed are for notebook haha. I tried u...
notebook? no, it's for desktop
untold path
so it didnt work for me. The drivers you listed are for notebook haha. I tried u...
I was using 555.85, 555.99, and 556.12, all of them have the problem.
untold path
This is NVIDIA's official site, choose your model in manaul search then press search. Drag down the results and you'll find 552.44
obtuse glade
1. Reboot.
2. Disable then renable Adaptive Sync in your monitor's settings
So drivers didnt work 😦 I guess I can try this? is that option in the nvidia control panel?
HOLY FUCKL I GOT IT TO WORK
SDMKFKSDJKKSD
I would send screenshots of what i did but my control panel is in spanish so you guys wouldnt undertand 90% of what it says
There's basically an option in the control panel that says "adjust size and position of desktop" or something like that. Well, theres a scaling option in there, it was in "aspect ratio" and now its "fullscreen"
and it just worked
make sure to "Apply" the changes
After one restart, the program is broken again. lmao. fuck this
obtuse glade
I just made a proper unistall and install of drivers and now it works.
Also, with the drivers unistall, my monitor went back to 60 hz but when I put it back to 75 hz, the framegen works perfectly.
I got it 3 times in a row now. Thank you SO much
obtuse glade
Update: I reinstalled all the drivers and now I have updated drivers. The program only works if I open the game with 60hz, my monitor is 75hz so all I do is boot the game while I have my monitors refresh rate to 60hz, activate the program to check the game if the fps are being capped correctly, I have mine capped to 35 fps. If the fps shown by Lossless Scaling are correct (you need "Draw FPS" to be active of course) now switch to 75hz when game is booted but not being scaled. Now I'm at 75hz and when I boot Lossless Scaling, framegen work perfectly
it works every time now.
Drivers wasnt the problem, at least for me 🙂
untold path
I haven’t met this problem. You said you have updated driver, but latest gpu driver seems to have some glitches
My driver remains the same, 552.44
untold path
Update: I reinstalled all the drivers and now I have updated drivers. The progra...
And I guess this is somehow similar to my method before (Renable Adaptive sync), like it forces OS or gpu to negotiate your monitor again
untold path
testing 560.70
soft apex
560.70 doesn't work on my end it was working perfectly fine yesterday but now it just says 144/144 but it feels like its still at 40 fps (Edit : crosshair overlay opened and was making lossless scaling break now it works)
queen ferry
560.70 doesn't work on my end it was working perfectly fine yesterday but now it...
Yeah any kind of overlay can interefere with LS working correctly
untold path
560.70 is semi-working for me, it still has chances to show 144/432 for me after a long period. But I think it's stable enough.
obtuse glade
I might add this. I had Wallpaper Engine on and it broke my LS again
I closed Wallpaper Engine and it worked again 💀
queen ferry
Hm
I do have Wallpaper Engine too but I have enabled that whenever the desktop is out of focus the animation pauses
obtuse glade
Yeah LS worked for me when I had wallpaper engine booted like 3 days ago. Now WE can't be open or LS wont work
queen ferry
I don't have that problem
queen ferry
Hm
I do have Wallpaper Engine too but I have enabled that whenever the desktop i...
Do you have that setting enabled as well?
queen ferry
It's just something you can try lol
That way you don't need to close WE entirely
untold path
I have WE running in the background as well, not a problem for me
