Killers should not be able to stack imposters

[elder tusk]

There needs to be a proximity limit or something on traps for the killer. A killer should not be able to stack 3 imposters on one given spot. Without rockets and duo teammates tanking the hits, there's no way if everyone isn't up on 4th.

This picture shows 3 imposter traps on Amusement 4. He eventually also placed 2 on Performance 4. Either place a proximity limit, or introduce other ways to disable these traps without alerting the killer. There isn't enough rockets in the game. This kills the solo experience.

EDIT: Don't mind the voice chat wheel. I had to alt tab and manually load microsoft snip with the killer nearby. I had to take a picture of this ridiculousness.

[scarlet ether]

i mean considering magi has 4 max and on floor 4 there are 4 doors this isnt a big deal just have a teammate quick save you from all of them

[upbeat cloak]

dont' take my power away im bad enough as it is T-T

[elder tusk]

That's not the point. If you're in a team, sure, you can coordinate that. If you're solo? Good luck, especially in the final minutes. There needs to be ways to counterplay things. Being able to stack 3 traps on one spot and just teleport back and forth isn't ok.

[merry jewel]

I had a game were i put down 3 imposters in the final stage room. 2 on the mechanics and one alive. Then there came the bunny team. They were well coordinated, had a few items used and they opened the gates and escaped. Every one of them. So no. This must NOT been updated. It's all about teamwork. Only point I agree is when a bunny have to do it on his own. Then he has no chance. Yes.

[scarlet ether]

It's a team game not a 1v1 you cannot expect to deal with thr hunter alone without setup on your side plus in floor 4 there is minimum 2 doors he needs to hold so without gears he could at most put 2 on each

This is not even talking about how long the imposter cooldown is so you had probably idk 5 mins of setup to deal with this

[upbeat matrix]

it's a cheap way to effectively guarantee one side is not opened, so i agree only 1 imp should be able to be used

unless 1 rocket destroys all 3 ?

[royal viper]

Yeah its not like there 4 objo, and if he put 3 imp there he can't put on the other side, so its not that difficult to deal with.

And it take like 3min to have 3 imp on the same spot with the cooldown, like come on guys.

[prime bone]

there's like 3-4 different ways up in each floor, it shouldn't be that bad

[upbeat matrix]

it's more about final gates.

it should be possible to attempt an escape solo, sneak up and destroy the 1 imp with rocket. if there is 2+ and 1 rocket is not enough, there is basically no chance.

[scarlet ether]

why in the 1v5 game should a 1v1 be considered

[upbeat matrix]

it's not...

[prime bone]

fr

[scarlet ether]

'it should be possible to attempt an escape solo'

[upbeat matrix]

yes

[prime bone]

you just solo escape, meaning one bunny, and one killer?

[upbeat matrix]

a proactive magician that sees the imp be destroyed will catch you guaranteed. but there should be some chance.

[prime bone]

there is, called skill checks

[scarlet ether]

yeah the chance is double rocket and hope he doesn't notice just like a single imp

[upbeat matrix]

you can always 1v1 magician for a few sec in chase.

[prime bone]

well, yeah

[upbeat matrix]

an open gate is litle issue with gear, but a closed one requires distraction, or for magi not to stare at the imp at least.

[prime bone]

but when you have other bunnies, they can be doing other things to make climbing back up easier while you're getting chased

[upbeat matrix]

sometimes you end up alone, should not mean an auto loss

[scarlet ether]

the solution to this is to simply have another bunny do the other door while you distract magi

[prime bone]

hat?

and if you just have bad teammates, well then, you just have to deal with it

[upbeat matrix]

basically no chance to compete against magi for hat, but you also need radar, of wich i have only ever seen 2 in 1 match.

i think i have radar in 10-20% of my games.

[scarlet ether]

so you are saying if magi kills 80% of the competition and gets hat you should still easily escape?

[upbeat matrix]

k. imp stacking should not be a thing.

[prime bone]

I've gotten them like 50% of my games, and if I don't have it, someone else does

[upbeat matrix]

unless 1 rocket destroys all of them in the area

[scarlet ether]

witch btw after getting hat he has constant wallhacks and dosent need imps to know where you are

[upbeat matrix]

does anybody actually know, does 1 rocket destroy all, or just 1?

[scarlet ether]

not sure never tried it but i assume only one?

[prime bone]

I think this could be a reasonable argument, but the reason you're pointing out just doesn't work

[upbeat matrix]

greedy looter 😄

[scarlet ether]

its not likely a aoe thing

[prime bone]

no?

[scarlet ether]

when items are as busted as they are looting is a good thing

[upbeat matrix]

has anybody seen more then 2 radars in 1 match? because if not, then it's likely you loot on average half the map before others 😄

[fathom cobalt]

proceeds to place 5 imposters on one gear

[scarlet ether]

proceeds to do the other door in your face with sacrifice gear

[prime bone]

[upbeat matrix]

should definitely not be a thing

i think

you could ofc just eat the stun, as magi.

but you get panic again and again now?

[prime bone]

bro, we're giving you a way out with 1v1 and you're still saying it's not enough

[upbeat matrix]

what do you think you're respoinding to

[prime bone]

you just said it shouldn't be a thing to escape out the other door with sacrifice gear

but I thought you wanted a way to escape as 1v1 through doors

or should I say alone

[upbeat matrix]

not for free, some chance. killer should not be able to give themselves a 5 imp buffer to get to exit.

that is a problem in a 5v1 too. having many on one exit.

[prime bone]

you know how long that'd take 💀

[upbeat matrix]

7.5 min

[prime bone]

and you still leave two exist open while doing it and even when you have them all placed down

[upbeat matrix]

effectively removing 1 exit is booring

[prime bone]

not only is it boring, but it doesn't work

[prime bone]

that's enough time for decent players to get from the bottom to the top using ziplines and maybe even get a door started

[upbeat matrix]

if it does not work at high mmr, then why keep it as an option, it's a noobtrap

[prime bone]

why not

[scarlet ether]

so many things dont work at high mmr but you cant balance the entire game around high mmr

[upbeat matrix]

because it's a noobtrap. so
Why keep it.

[scarlet ether]

most people or at or below average

[prime bone]

if noobs get up the 4th floor in low mmr, then you're just a bad killer tbh

[scarlet ether]

its the reason every competitive game the biggest rank is the worst or second worst

[upbeat matrix]

you'd only be balancing around noobs in this case, if it's a noobtrap, and does not work on high mmr...

[upbeat matrix]

ideally noobs can get up to 4th against noob killers. that's the whole point.

[prime bone]

in my experience, low mmr killer is leaps easier than low mmr bunny

[upbeat matrix]

i agree

[prime bone]

exactly my point

[upbeat matrix]

so... we should try making bunny easier, avoid noobtraps exactly like this.

[prime bone]

and if you use all your killer tools, then it should be easy to keep them down

[prime bone]

no, because bunnies are op in high mmr

[scarlet ether]

low mmr will always be in favor of magi for the simple reason new bunnys dont know how to escape let alone escape with a magi on their tail

[upbeat matrix]

improve tutorial, or have ingame visualizations.

[prime bone]

it's a weird balancing act that this game has to do tbh

[scarlet ether]

removing stacking imposters wouldn't help low mmr and wouldn't effect high mmr and since it barely happens its just wasted dev time

[prime bone]

I'm pretty sure they're planning on that, but it's more important to have a functional game atm than a good tutorial

[upbeat matrix]

and remove noobtraps

[scarlet ether]

doesn't matter how good the tutorial is bad people will be bad its helps yes but you cant teach people map knowledge game sense communication sound queues ect

[upbeat matrix]

i am confident it will help low mmr.

[prime bone]

bro, you might as well be saying everything is a noobtrap

[upbeat matrix]

no

[scarlet ether]

really because its easy to win games in low mmr by sitting afk

literally not even joking the map is leagues better then magi in low mmr to the point its not even close

[upbeat matrix]

that's why i argue for improved pinging, pings last longer, and inform better in chat, like ''rope in circus floor 1-2'' when someone pings a rope.

[scarlet ether]

you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink

[upbeat matrix]

maybe there could be a UI that indicates wich ropes are up.

[prime bone]

fr

[prime bone]

now that's op

[upbeat matrix]

only for newbs

[prime bone]

no

you don't change the game the moment they're no longer considered noobs, and when would they no longer be considered noobs anyways

[scarlet ether]

give newbies a nuke to delete the magi and half will ask what a shockbox does

[upbeat matrix]

i'll remember ropes i see or am informed of, i think most at high mmr would.

[prime bone]

even low mmr should do that, and if they're not, well, you just can't fix that

I feel like we're trying to nerf a game for people like the game informer dude that couldn't even complete the cuphead tutorial

[upbeat matrix]

i just listed 2 things to fix that, of the top of my head

giving good info is not nerfing anything. it's bridging the gap between high skill and low skill balance, so we at high mmr don't need to suffer imbalance because the game is prioritizing newbs

[prime bone]

yeah, and they're both bad ideas because the ui is just a bad idea and is completely unfair, and the chat idea is up to the players to chat that

[scarlet ether]

giving information only to take it away at a arbitrary point is terrible because people learn to expect it and rely on it

[prime bone]

we don't need to bridge a gap when there's skilled based match making

[royal viper]

I don't see any issue that need fixes.

To do that the magi need 3min.

Like only that.

[scarlet ether]

in fact its the reason i hate shh so much it makes new people reliant on it to take chase

when in reality you should know where the bunnys are without needing it

[upbeat matrix]

ofcourse you do, the highest 100/500 will always be paired up, if it's imbalanced, one side will win much more often. mmr does not create balance.

[royal viper]

Ticket master are here for that.
Its just a bit random.

[prime bone]

well, imo, with 5 bunnies, it can be useful, espically if they're carrying a gear on 4th and you didn't know or smth

[upbeat matrix]

your arguments are just to say ''it's a bad idea'', or ''get good'', or ''if they are stupid they are stupid lol''.

[prime bone]

with the imposter thing, yeah

[scarlet ether]

shh can be useful but its often over used by newer people and it creates a dependency but 100% it can be used

[scarlet ether]

yes getting good counters bad strategies

[prime bone]

when you get higher in the mmr, bunnies will cook you with or without shush, unless you get good as magi ig, which I seem to have not done yet

[royal viper]

Imagine getting good at the game to win against good player.

[scarlet ether]

oh dont worry ive felt the pain lol

[royal viper]

Yeah honnestly since its a gear now, i would prefer using the speech since its way more stupid and actually slow a rush.

[prime bone]

speech?

[scarlet ether]

i wish i had gears

[royal viper]

Me too...

[scarlet ether]

creepy speech make nearby bunny go insane faster

its a nice gear not crazy good but just another ability

[prime bone]

ah

fair

[scarlet ether]

not like the insta recharge gear that one is legit really good

[royal viper]

Yeah you just spam it and bunny have to lower their sanity.

Its a slow value but its not that bad.

[upbeat matrix]

that's the case just about everywhere, still should promote healthy and balanced gameplay across skill

''just get good at climbing'' or ''natural selection'' is not an argument against guardrails

[royal viper]

lol think that again.

And read the post while thinking about what you say.

[scarlet ether]

that's not a fair comparison at all but okay i suppose