#Add an option to connect multiple junction boxes with a separate pin

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daring oracle
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Sometimes, when im making a new sub i ask myself why do i need two wires on the same pin i drive power to other stuff, to connect each junction box? Using one to get the power in from the reactor and one to get it out to another junction, or junction to junction.
This makes so you can only set 3 more wires to get the power out from (I know about the use of Relay Component but sometimes i just want one more wire to connect to).
The way this could be implemented is by having another connection pin on the connection panel (maybe named Power_Junction) just for connecting the junctions. The way this could work would be similar as the guns needing supercapacitors to drive the power from, the same thought could be applied to the pin that is made to get the power from the reactor and gives the power from one junction to another in one pin (Power_Junction), effectively letting you connect 5 wires to drive power for other things from the normal power pin.
This could also be an optional pin for people that don't want to be forced to "rewire" their ships just to connect the junctions to the new pin.

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lean walrus
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gud idea and the thing on end makes it not torture

gusty lily
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huge disagree here

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the pin limit is a key part of what makes wiring a submarine challenging

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having only 5 wires for the power pin means that it's often a good idea to make dedicated distributor junctions whose sole purpose is to deliver power to other junctions

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it's also often a much better idea because other junctions can fail and power still doesn't go out

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i don't think this is a good idea

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use more junctions or use relay components, embrace the challenge

lean walrus
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this would be only a quality of life thing

wooden hazel
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You can wire up to 16 devices to a single junction and even more with help of relays. No mods. Vanilla only.
So I agree about challenge. If you can figure how you will feel like cheating.

daring oracle
# gusty lily use more junctions or use relay components, embrace the challenge

this is not about using less junctions, its about making the use of connections between them more organized and a little more easier. It wouldn't have a significant impact on ship building as the new pins would only work between the junctions, not more space, just a dedicated usage of power in between, and at last its totally optional.

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i get the "challenge" part of it all, but why does it matter? i can just change the configs of anything to make it use a single junction box if i wanted to. plus its only a matter of quality of life, its not like you will understand how to make a ship because a junction have one more pin.

gleaming sundial
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Yeah and imo it kind of sucks to have a junction box supplying 5kw of power plugged into the same slot as a random pump or something.

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Why on earth can a junction box plug into 5 massive draw junction boxes, but only 5 measly lightbulbs. It just doesn't make sense

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5 wires max makes sense for high draw devices because the cable would be big

Especially a junction box.

But things like small pumps and lights should not have such a low maximum

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You can use relays to split everything 10000 times but even the relays have a max of 5. So you need multiple relays just to supply some weak ahh lights.

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At least relays have an in and an out, so you're only wasting 1 wire and not 2.

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So yeah when it comes down to it, it's just QOL

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Maybe we should just integrate a circuit box into a junction box 🤔

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Could place relays as directly part of the jb

gusty lily
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i have come around

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a distributor pin would be nice

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it should just be Power, not Power_In and Power_Out though

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so that if you want to wire it up that way you actually have to figure it out with relays

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and it works as expected in the vast majority of cases

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also, a circuit box in a junction box specifically for relays would be a good idea

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or what about a dedicated distributor junction which gives you a circuit box with power pins inside?

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you could contain all of the wiring for your junction IN the junction as well as provide power

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it would also be good for optimization

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the reason, by the way, that i say wiring is meant to be challenging and not super easy is because to me, wiring is like a puzzle game inside barotrauma itself

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maybe it's just my engineering mindset but when i want to do something with wiring, i get a lot of enjoyment out of drafting and implementing a solution that requires me to do more than press a button or install a mod that does what i want

open sigil
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Honestly keeping the 5 limit but having it vary would be nice

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i.e 2 in power in, 3 in power out

gusty lily
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HUGE MASSIVE DISAGREE

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absolutely not

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this would suck :/

open sigil
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It would literally just be a visual difference

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It would be an annoyance for all the subs in the game, since it'd require all of them to be updated, but aside from that, there wouldn't be any real downside to introducing a in/out system

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Though I do agree that it's a bit unnecessary

open sigil
daring oracle
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and would be annoying

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i think the idea of relay circuit box in the junction is very solid and could another way to talk about the idea i had on this post

gusty lily
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aside from requiring every one of the thousands and thousands of subs on the workshop to be updated

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there'd be backwards compatibility if the devs decided to do this so my main reason is actually that it sucks for sub building

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the way it works right now allows you to share power both ways between junctions

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rather than one way (in, out pins)

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you can of course wire it to be directional quite easily

gleaming sundial
gusty lily
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which allows it to do the thing most people would want it to do AND the niche more involved setup of directional power

open sigil
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I'm not really for it, since it'd be a pain in the ass to adjust all of my subs to said system

gleaming sundial
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exactly

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"but aside from the massive problem that prevents it from being a good idea, it's a good idea"

gusty lily
wide zephyr
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i feel like this would need a whole rework to the power system and therefore i disagree

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too much work for what its worth

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as its like a small qol

daring oracle
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there is nothing to remove, only to add

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nothing to change despite adding a single more pin

wide zephyr
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how would you go about restricting it to just being able to connect to junctions

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or is it not restricted

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because then you just have an extra pin

fervent holly
daring oracle
wide zephyr
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ah okay then

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still want to ask

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how would connecting it to multiple work?

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does the pin have like 5 connections or what

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(overall though im happy with how it is now and dont see a need or want for change)

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more just

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i wouldnt mind the change

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but i also wouldnt like it

daring oracle
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that way you could have 1 wire that comes from the reactor and 4 that connect to other junctions, aand all the space that you would have "lost" this way, is now available only for other devices

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you could plug more junctions this way too

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but nothing you cant do with relay components.

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as i said the junciton pin is optional, so the normal power pin would still be 100% the same

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its ok to not want this, i just thought would be a simpler idea for something anyone can do with some relay components.

wide zephyr
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oh yeah okay so it gives it more space

daring oracle
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basically

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yes

wide zephyr
daring oracle
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someone had the idea too of having a "cicruit box" inside the junction just for relays

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would kind of be the same thing but thats even more space

gleaming sundial
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#baro-unstable message

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It's