#Make husk great again

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smoky crystal
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The Parasite
Husk was initially a challenge to players due to a smaller and less informed playerbase, however currently this is not the case.
The current husk encounter is: "Oh no," downs 3 antibiotics "anyways."

The old formula does not work with the current stage of players, the abundance of slime bacteria, and availability of antibiotics.
The husk infection is a non issue as long as players stock up on antibiotics, and even if they don't, there is a very good chance they can find slime bacteria and get an unreasonable amount of antibiotics.

The fact that antibiotics are so incredibly cheap is also a problem, you can buy them in tens without making a dent in your wallet.

The Creature
On the other side there is also the husk enemy, its also as equivalently harmless as the infection, its only saving grace is that it can open doors, (if it can get there in the first place) once its inside someone can reliably beat it up with a wrench then take an antibiotic & be on their way.

Recommendations
I will be happy with any changes that makes either confrontation more difficult but here is my recommendation:

-Make slime bacteria generate less and/or lower the amount of antibiotics it provides
-Make antibiotics less available and more expensive
-Make calyxanide less available and more expensive
-Make the skill check matter

And the controversial part:
-Make husk __incurable__ with antibiotics:

Antibiotics, should be something that can halt or reduce the progression of the husk parasite.
Husked crewmates should be incentivized to be actively monitored and checked upon, their infection should be "treated" at a certain threshold with antibiotics in order to keep them from turning, they should only be able to be cured by an experienced medic administering calyxanide to cure them or outpost doctors.

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topaz trail
smoky crystal
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but they left antibiotics unchecked

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so instead of doing the surgery or administering calyxanide you can just overdose on antibiotics

topaz trail
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hmh ? Antibiotics you can still sue, but it also not heal you. It give you resistance and only last a few moments while surgery 😄

Nope antibiotics not heal Husk anymore. It stop by exact 5 %

smoky crystal
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🤔

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we were playing with that mod last month

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that's odd

topaz trail
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we used 15 antibiotics in a long surgery... because of Skill Lack xD jsut to keep him below 20 % until we figured out that we can cut the parasite out when the ifnection is below 10 %

topaz trail
# smoky crystal that's odd

yeah Neurotrauma got updatd with the 1.0.6 maybe its sicne then a bit harder, due to the general Healing overhaul ?

smoky crystal
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healing overhaul was after we stopped playing

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im fairly certain I placed symbiote and nt near the top of the load order

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odd maybe its an error on my end

topaz trail
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yeha not sure or my other mods cause that its feel kind of hard 😄

sullen roost
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some of the most fun experiences in this game have when the husk parasite has taken over the ship and i have had to execute people, i think the first step to make things even a little harder is to make the text warning you of husk non-default

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right now like 20 seconds after you get infected you just know

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and a single anti-biotic fixes it

topaz trail
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Haha with Hungry europeans we had a hard thing 😄 damn Nuggets one was infected... take half of our crew down...

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xD

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one Crew party and it was inside the ship :/

smoky crystal
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it used to be a nightmare

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now we live in an antibiotics world

topaz trail
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even harder.

sullen roost
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so much better

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after you see it on your med interface you'll need a lot of anti-biotics

topaz trail
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that or just a sharp scalpel when you play with neuro 😄

topaz trail
# smoky crystal I agree

Here in the neurotrauma Settings ingame Menu Server like, you could also adjust the infection Rate to your liking, it normally should increase also the need of Antibiotics ^^

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smoky crystal
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i think its an issue with my modlist that lefts antibiotics unchecked

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ill play around with that instead, thank you for the recommendation though

topaz trail
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its normally really simple all NT Patches First then Neurotrauma, below that Dynamics ^^

topaz trail
smoky crystal
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ill just place the nt patches and nt on top of the load order as much as possible

topaz trail
smoky crystal
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i do have compatibility patches for all of those

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I destroyed my pc so I can't give the details as I can boot the game but

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I had like 200 mods

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so there is definitely something in that batch which may have turned things sour

topaz trail
smoky crystal
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yeah it was a bit excessive

stark osprey
cold fern
smoky crystal
carmine sluice
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being repeatedly told you have a husk infection before the moodle shows up puts a major damper on its effectiveness as something that delays its visibility to people who arent wearing a med-hud

raw pasture
smoky crystal
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i think husk infection being a big issue would balance out the mob also

carmine sluice
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if they were a bit more fearsome itd fix one aspect but exactly what klaus just said

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if the infection was harder to deal with, humanhusks would spawn more and youd see them more often than once a year

raw pasture
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Perhaps the infection should be limb specific

carmine sluice
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i think getting attacked by a husk shoulf start the infection a lot more progressed than 0, it wouldnt make a lot of sense lorewise that they inject an already grown parasite into you but

raw pasture
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So you have to figure out it's point of origin

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In order to cure it

carmine sluice
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still if you got attacked and werent able to safely get to abx within seconds

smoky crystal
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mind you reading the recommended part of the post, i think those changes should balance it out enough

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if you still think it could be better please do tell us though

raw pasture
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I don't like the idea of just making antibiotics and caly harder to get although I do agree antibiotics shouldn't be able to cure on its own

smoky crystal
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that's fair

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I generally think abx being unable to straight up cure the infection itself is a really good step

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your recommendation is also interesting

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but id be worried about the learning curve of that

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it sounds like a neurotrauma type of treatment plan

carmine sluice
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i dont really understand a limb specific husk since the whole point is that it grows in your chest and throat

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a truly terrifying concept but in-game its like, yeah ill just take an aspirin and walk it off

smoky crystal
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nvm now that you brought that up it does sound odd

carmine sluice
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i love husk its one of my fav zombies

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just a bug that lives inside you

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still terrifying because of the atmosphere baro has

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abx gives you "husk infection resistance", which in no way implies thay it will cure you. it should either stop it from progressing or slow it down

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having a way to put it on hold sounds a bit like the husk dna though

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either way, abx too strong, calyxanide should do what abx currently does but faster

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like if the only way to get rid of it was to take some calyxanide and let it kill the parasite over time, and still have to be monitored by the doctor itd be cooler and feel a bit more like a real problem

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and give the doctor more immersive crew check-ups

smoky crystal
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that also sounds like a good way of doing things

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like an over time treatment

carmine sluice
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almost like something that already exists lol

smoky crystal
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probably does somewhere buried under a million bad mods

carmine sluice
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or maybr even a conjuction of the two where abx acts a bit like tonic liquid

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on its own it'll slow the progression but combined with calyxanide itll kill it faster

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thatd be neat methinks

smoky crystal
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i think steroids make more sense for that

sullen roost
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give the parasite inside you steroids, amazing idea

smoky crystal
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you do know that steroids is a medicine for cancer treatment right

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and in the game it boosts other positive afflictions

reef stump
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cuz chemo is just poison

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they realized it from mustard gas

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because cancer hoardees all the reasources

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even if its just poison

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kurzgesat has a really good video on it

raw pasture
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So in theory if you only treat the husk in the head it just comes back from that origin point

raw pasture
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You could brute force it by using ABX on every limb or even caly on every limb

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But that's inefficient which is the point

carmine sluice
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more specifically your throat

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i dont think the devs want to rewrite the established lore about what the husk parasite is and how it works to make "arm husks" a thing

raw pasture
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And then grows into the chest then up the throat

carmine sluice
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not gonna bother anymore lmao this is a lost cause

reef stump
sullen roost
raw pasture
smoky crystal
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it circulates

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you know

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veins and stuff

raw pasture
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Yeah?

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Whats your point?

smoky crystal
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He is saying it doesn't matter where you inject abx from

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or to what limb you apply it

raw pasture
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That's fair from a logic perspective though

smoky crystal
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no idea

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both arguments are valid

sullen roost
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i guess you could make an argument for it being a little faster

raw pasture
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I mean the way I was thinking of it was more like taking medicine in the area vs taking like a pill

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Dunno how antibiotics work conceptually

sullen roost
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in the message you get when you become a husk, it says you use creature attack to inject eggs into somebody

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into their bloodstream, probably

raw pasture
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But I do remember the difference between like ibuprofen and getting stabbed with a numbing syringe

raw pasture
sullen roost
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but they don’t stay in the initial point of injection

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husk specifically grows in the throat

raw pasture
raw pasture
raw pasture
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Pretty sure they had an in lore reason why the mantis doesint appear in game for a while which they retconned

sullen roost
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even if there was some kind of limb specific husk infection, calyx AND anti-biotics effect all limbs

raw pasture
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As in I think it's more interesting if you had to track down where the infection came from in order to cure it

sullen roost
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but, you inject anti-biotics into the bloodstream

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that is just

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not how

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that works

raw pasture
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Because if you know you've been bitten you know it's guaranteed practically that your infected and also you can cure it guaranteed with a injection

raw pasture
raw pasture
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Possibly even reduce the base chance of infection so the player is more paranoid

sullen roost
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you can’t just ignore human biology so you can implement a single feature

raw pasture
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Which is why I said it was an issue?

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I mean I'm not a doctor I dont know precisely how this stuff works especially in the context of an alien virus XD

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I'm just saying it would be more interesting if it worked as I'm describing

reef stump
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there is a difference

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a large one

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just like in virus and bacteriums

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virus in not alive in a conventional sense

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thats why antibiotics dont work in real life

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because they stop essential biochemical stuff inside but because viruses have none of that it wont work

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and parasites have more then 1 cell for sure

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thats another reason why most AB wont work on them

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husk is a parasite

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it doesnt really need the bloodstream to move around the body

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and when you see the size of it which is just the part going outside the mouth its too large to go around in it

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its most likely acts like a funghi inside the body

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it has smaller part going off the main body spreadin around

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which is mostlikely how it helps in healing the body

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its like a skeleton inside your soft tissue

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its wierd to explain

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so just look how does a funghi and plants live in a symbiosis

carmine sluice
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we found the guy who didnt get the supporter edition

carmine sluice
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cooked hard

raw pasture
carmine sluice
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tbh,

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hi

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ty for sharing

raw pasture
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They have changed it many many times

carmine sluice
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ty again for sharing

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i would hate to remind you that your idea doesnt make sense

raw pasture
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Man my internet is garbage that was qued up 20 miniutes ago XD

carmine sluice
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oh lmao

raw pasture
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I don't know why people got so heated over "I think it would be more interesting if it worked like this" essentially, I acknowledge it doesint make sense from a lore perspective I just think it'd lead to cool gameplay scenarios I just enjoy the game and think it would be better if husk was a bit more complex to deal with

carmine sluice
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because complexity doesnt make it better or gameplay enhancing

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idk, i dont wanna be a vehement hater

raw pasture
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Was I just not good with phrasing?

carmine sluice
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i just disagree, i apologize i havent disagreed respectfully

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no i get it

raw pasture
carmine sluice
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nono i understand the goal

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about the eggs lingering and whatnot

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but like, if it was just the eggs remaining in the infected wound, why would purging those remove the infection in your throat

raw pasture
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The goal is to make fighting husk infections more of a test of a players thinking skills and mental fortitude, because a lower chance of triggering and needing to remember the position you got bit would lead to people being more paranoid over it or letting it under their radar which makes it much more scary feeling and resource intensive to treat

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Not knowing if you've got husk or not is really interesting as a concept to me

carmine sluice
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i dont think youd need to remember where you got bit because you'd have "bite wound" there, wouldnt you?

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i guess itd make you think more

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be like "oh it says bite wound, ill use it here"

raw pasture
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In that sense it would require a player to already have sustained some damage to function properly or have gotten hit multiple times which would make it more luck and less skill

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I don't know how you'd resolve that exactly XD

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Can't husks infect through non bite attacks technically?

carmine sluice
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thats an interesting question

raw pasture
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Since the human ones exist

carmine sluice
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im gonna say, i don't think so

raw pasture
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And I don't remember if they do bite wounds for all their attacks

carmine sluice
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well yeah actually but hmm

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i dont think they do damage

raw pasture
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I think one of them was basically tackling you

carmine sluice
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ive never been on the other side of someone hitting me with their stinger

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whenever i hit someone with my stinger it just makes their player move a tiny bit

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i dont hear a damage noise

raw pasture
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Mhm

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Not all husks have stingers though so it's kinda strange

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My concept probably ain't viable with that in mind since it'd take a lot of work

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I still feel like current husk is very 1 dimensional though which is problematic

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We obviously don't want neurotrauma depth but husk should be a medical challenge

carmine sluice
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it should i just struggle to come up with my own ideas and am too quick to judge ones that arent mine

raw pasture
carmine sluice
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90% of my messages are this year i stg

raw pasture
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If you stay on game discords for too long you inevitably take on the persona of a salty veteran in my experience

carmine sluice
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and if you check my join date you'll see how sad that is

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i dont even want to be a veteran

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i know people who played legacy version

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i got the game like, a month before the cave update

raw pasture
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I did play the legacy version briefly

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Although most of it was pre and post talents

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I really like barotrauma conceptually I just feel like it needs a bit more personally I dunno

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Also I wanna get murdered by a mudraptor

raw pasture
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You wish you got into the game later?

carmine sluice
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not even

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i wish i played sooner

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i dont really know how to word it

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i dont want to be recognized as a veteran of this game by others when there are people with way more hours

raw pasture
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I remember baro legacy was CBT simulator which was kinda based

carmine sluice
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ive never even beaten a campaign

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and i have 1k hours

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im basically a noob

raw pasture
carmine sluice
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im a wiki warrior more than an actual game player

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im kinda glad i didnt but i also wouldve liked to see it

raw pasture
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I'm wanting to see if I can do it again

carmine sluice
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the new ending is neat tho

raw pasture
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This time with challenge mods of my own making XD

carmine sluice
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way more polished

raw pasture
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How would you buff the final boss if you don't know what it is? Or would you keep it the same?

carmine sluice
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ive never fought it so idk if it needs a buff

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i know what it is and how to fight it

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the mechanic seems simple but i saw wendy say somewhere that thr ads are unbalanced

raw pasture
carmine sluice
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all the unbalanced meds too

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sulphuric acid (nearly)instakill lmao

raw pasture
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Inject 5 palm grenade extract and instant kill

carmine sluice
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you used to be able to do that in like, v0.something!

raw pasture
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I wish steroids still gave you like bonus health

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As opposed to damage resistance

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Because you could do some medical miracles with that

carmine sluice
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old acquainted told me that 5 pom extract would suffocate someone from o2 loss before they hit the floor

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hilarious

raw pasture
raw pasture
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Or I guess juice into someone's blood

carmine sluice
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i have no clue what it is

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but dying before you hit the floor is a hilarious murder method

raw pasture
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Your literally just replacing their blood with juice

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XD

carmine sluice
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only a spoonful

raw pasture
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I feel like a lot of the technically unbalanced mechanics should still somewhat be in the game

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Like the volatile fuel rods that killed you in like 20 seconds

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Like that was so funny XD

carmine sluice
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i like that the game is becoming more bug and exploit free

raw pasture
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Just wish they did a bit more since now they do like so little radiation it hardly matters

carmine sluice
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makes looking back on the old builds funnier

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like "oh remember before X update when you could X"

raw pasture
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And then kill it with a boarding axe

carmine sluice
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wasnt too long ago, feels like forever

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funny how that works

raw pasture
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I feel like a lot of the games mechanics have become a bit less player oriented which is a bit unfortunate

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The active talents were incredibly fun but the AI couldn't use them so they got wiped

carmine sluice
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i can agree with that

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at least they thought about the singleplayer people first

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i would say a majority of people play multiplayer but umm erm,,, the thought is what counts

raw pasture
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At least not public MP

carmine sluice
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maybe yeah

raw pasture
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Theirs not been that many public servers for a while

carmine sluice
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but public and private servers combined, the majority probably plays co-op

raw pasture
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Yeah definitely co op imo

carmine sluice
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its just more fun

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having 2 or more people to order bots around is a lot better than 1

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or having so many people you dont need them

raw pasture
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Or just having 6 friends play together

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Which is what I do

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And is probably why I have issues with the challenge being overall low

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Because theirs a 6 man coordinated squad who have like 200 hours minimum each XD

carmine sluice
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ive been struggling with singleplayer and my pacifist ass bots not shooting when they have a shot

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why cant they shoot and move the periscope at the same god damn time

raw pasture
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Waiting for the jiggling to stop

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Low weapons skill

carmine sluice
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i have the upgrades to reduce that and its still awful

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i guess i just need to hire guards,,,

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but i want to make artie a tank

raw pasture
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Artie dolittle my man

carmine sluice
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my beloved

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zero to hero

raw pasture
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He's got a different AI doesint he?

carmine sluice
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he what

raw pasture
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Because he's an alcoholic XD

carmine sluice
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see this is why i call myself a noob

raw pasture
carmine sluice
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i havent noticed, the only thing my artie does is take 3 morphine at once

raw pasture
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He has something to do with injections

carmine sluice
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ill look into it

raw pasture
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My artie just got pass out drunk constantly XD

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Could be based around the stuff he started with on the station you find him on

raw pasture
carmine sluice
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yeah true

raw pasture
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And use the guns yourself 😎

carmine sluice
raw pasture
carmine sluice
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nah i have the same problem as you, my friends are all 200+ hour kill squads

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and we were all taught how to powergame by the ringleader

raw pasture
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Put them in a bad sub then juice your crawlers up with hyperzine and you'll find the power gaming issue becomes less problematic

carmine sluice
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LOL

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luckily i have a new crew who all recently bought the game on sale

raw pasture
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Ah nice

carmine sluice
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id like to invite some of my old crew but they left or dont like me 💅

raw pasture
carmine sluice
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the crawler with combat stim

raw pasture
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Much more threatening when you can't just two shot them with a revolver

carmine sluice
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doesnt a headshot insta?

raw pasture
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I think it's nearly?

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But not quite

carmine sluice
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damn

raw pasture
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Unless in mistaken

carmine sluice
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with depleted rounds it probably is

raw pasture
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Off the top of my head it's like 70ish damage with regular ammo

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Out of 80hp for a crawler

carmine sluice
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GOD i wanna get home and play baro

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im sure with the bleed tho itd only take 1 shot?

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as long as you arent in a hurry to kill it

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if its in your ballast or sumn you can kick back and wait

raw pasture
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Oh another quirk of my settings monsters heal from eating player corpses

carmine sluice
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thought that was normal

raw pasture
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Well it sort of is?

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It's far too slow to matter

carmine sluice
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thats fair

raw pasture
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I also remember doing some whacky stuff

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Like buffing ancient weapons and alien pistols

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Since they felt underwhelming

carmine sluice
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alien pistol is really fun

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they get affected by the captains perks dont they?

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quickdraw and such

raw pasture
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Don't know the answer to that one

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I don't think so?

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Or at least wouldn't assume it

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Because their used to be a specific talent that buffed them

carmine sluice
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yeah

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but the talents say pistols

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let me check

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it says "pistols"!

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not affecting the alien pistol would be a sin

raw pasture
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That implies it effects the machine pistol which is weird

carmine sluice
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hmmmm ur right

raw pasture
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I mean I guess that would make sense but like not very captain like

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I assumed it only applied to revolvers and hand cannons

carmine sluice
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oh i could just click on it

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wow

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heres our answer lol

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we were both right?

carmine sluice
raw pasture
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I don't know why it effects machine pistols though because like your getting 25% more damage on a single machine pistol bullet?

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That's so weird and minimal

carmine sluice
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because you're right, it wouldnt make sense to affect the machine pistol so it doesnt

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but the alien pistol is single-fire

raw pasture
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My main issue with the alien pistol is it just doesint do much damage

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Especially for the relative like rarity of it (especially if your crew doesint like alien ruins missions)

carmine sluice
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yeah valid

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i hate ruin missions

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in multiplayer its doable

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players are more likely to handle themselves and we can spread out

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i wont do it in singleplayer though bc id just hate to loot an entire ruin by myself

raw pasture
carmine sluice
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yeah..

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i used to really like it

raw pasture
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Good quality auto shotgun is like nasty

carmine sluice
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it was cool to use because, like you said, the rarity of it

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you dont see it every day so i liked to use it

raw pasture
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I think I just doubled the base damage and the psychosis it gives you

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Might have been a bit more than that actually

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I think I based it around doing like 80% the damage of a rapid fissile accelerator

raw pasture
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Although done before that was a thing

raw pasture
carmine sluice
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fran bow!

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the best point-and-click adventure game ever made

raw pasture
carmine sluice
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its quite unnerving!

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as the opening disclaimer of the game says, fran bow is a young girl who undergoes trauma

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and she sees a lot of fucked up things

raw pasture
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Bit of a sad premise

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Is their a silver lining to that or no?

carmine sluice
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uh

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uhh

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no the game is fucked from start to finish

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some of it is hard to stomach

raw pasture
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Dunno how I feel about that XD

carmine sluice
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but its overarching story is really wonderful, the very ending is happy

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but like, up to the moment before the ending its dark

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its bloody alice in wonderland

raw pasture
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I don't like it when people make stories entirely to basically trauma dump

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Or just be depressing XD

carmine sluice
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she has a lot of support in her life and a lot of people trying to hurt her

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at the same time

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the support characters make the happy moments a lot brighter

raw pasture
carmine sluice
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its very much that

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shes optimistic

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despite everything she makes it

raw pasture
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Now that you mention it

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I think I've seen a bit of that before

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Theirs a graveyard right?

carmine sluice
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maybe at some point

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i dont think its like, titular to the game

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the final quote of the game is really nice though

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theres a lot of good quotes

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good thinkers

raw pasture
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Well if it is the same thing it's good to think it turned out nice

carmine sluice
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i gotta go eat pizza so i cant keep geeking about my favorite game ever

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be back later ciao

raw pasture
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See ya

raw pasture
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Was a weird conversation but they got enthused by it

carmine sluice
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the major theme of the game is Fran's curiosity as a young girl, you're meant to click on everything you can because you might be able to pick it up, and you have to combine items in your inventory to solve the puzzles

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"Be curious, and you'll always be amazed"

raw pasture
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That's interesting

full roost
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Damn 444 replys for one suggestion that's crazy 💀

raw pasture
carmine sluice
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and someone gave me the opportunity to geek abt fran bow

reef stump
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nice

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basicly make husk regen higher husk infection speed higher and boom

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we have a solution

smoky crystal
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post got pushed into oblivion

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because zeldon decided to post 5 recommendations a day

smoky crystal
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nothing changes

raw pasture
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ABX should make you immune to repeat doses for a period imo

smoky crystal
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I don't ever step out of the sub without a dose of abx

raw pasture
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yeah that's included in the post

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multiple abx?

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I still think fighting husk should be more complex

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na

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slime bacteria gives you so much

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and its dirt cheap

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You can use multiple ABX in the place of caly

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Which is bad

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you mean currently?

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I don't follow

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It'd be fine if people could only take one at a time

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I mean the recommendation is to not have abx cure at all so

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The thing is with ABX not doing anything it's ability to extend someone's time under husk doesint work nearly as well

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why not make abx speed up husk

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at a random chance

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We have had that before

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reef stump
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And it didint work well

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So it needs some reduction on infection progress it just needs to not be able to actually like

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Cure it

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Also caly and abx should be potent poisons vs full infection people imo

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every day without a buff an innocent husk gets depression😔

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husk happy then

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because it coughs in your face