Vibe Reverse Engineering Toolset

[solemn epoch]

https://github.com/features/copilot/plans

[bright ermine]

oh wow

i must be stupid because yes that works

[vital dew]

Haven't tried it yet but im tempted to do claude max, that 1m context is tempting, I find the regular copilot sonnet 4.6 looping over its context every other prompt if its something heavy

Also for all the work ive done on TH2003 so far its been modifying the exe directly, probably needs me to specifically tell it to make a proxy or .asi patch

[rose oasis]

okay so

anyone got some advice here?

my goal is to have all necessary files for a patch to work contained in the game-specific patches folder

after a mod is completed, you could reasonably just remove any build files and upload the entire game patch folder to github. it'd include everything you need to build it

but i don't want to just straight up make a copy of the template code for every single game that has a patch

egh ig i'll just copy it. there's not much harm in it

[rose oasis]

😠

just updating the agent documentation and build scripts used 25% of my session limit

[crystal kiln]

I'd be careful with that, to not encourage ppl to upload copyrighted game content, test scripts or other noise to their GH accts. Maybe start with a whitelist-styled local gitignore

[rose oasis]

well, the agent files aren't going to advertise to the user that they can just upload it (esp not without cleanup). ofc it is up to individual users to clean up their files before uploading

i'm not really sure how i could avoid that

Maybe start with a whitelist-styled local gitignore
this could help some. will look into it

okay that works nicely

it will be copied into every patch folder by default

okay. my code is ready: https://github.com/Kim2091/Vibe-Reverse-Engineering/tree/remix-comp-integration

this is based on xoxor's template. it includes imgui for controlling the game, and also has his baseline Remix API support as an option. very versatile and i had no issues porting FNV over to it

if anyone wants to test it before i open a PR, i'd appreciate it

[naive kindle]

That gave me an idea, and asked gemini for a satirical description of an average day in the life of a Remix Vibe Reverse Engineer 😜 :

[solemn epoch]

AI has passed the Truth Nuke test

[crimson yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-nuke-cat-truth-nuke-cat-watermelon-truth-nuke-watermelon-cat-gif-8125535469532721656

[crimson yacht]

Cant get anything done today because of rate limits

[candid mirage]

Started using CLI mode. Honestly feel like Im getting better results, Claude is thinking longer

[rose oasis]

😔

i'm gonna have to try that now aren't i

[candid mirage]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1qynbtb/cli_or_ui_claude_code/

The one thing I would add is that CLI also opens up the mobile workflow. I use Moshi on my phone with mosh+tmux so I can check on long-running Claude Code sessions, approve PRs, or unblock agents when I am away from my desk. You cant really do that with the UI.

If you are just starting out though, the UI is easier to get familiar with. I would say start there, then move to CLI once you want more control.```

[rose oasis]

eh

the commands are all available in the extension too now

[candid mirage]

Ive also seen tips which suggested having a single window for a single prompt. New window for each seperate issue essentially

[rose oasis]

definitely focus on one single task per chat

[vagrant kernel]

Sometimes the AI wants to diff older states and says that stuff isn't committed to git, can I just do that in VS Code?

[rose oasis]

what, commit?

you do it in a terminal window. can be done within or outside of vscode

git add . will add all current changes + new folders/files to the commit
git commit -m "message" will create the commit from those files. "message" is where you put the title for the commit
git push pushes it to a repository

[vagrant kernel]

Thanks, guess I'll be doing that

[rose oasis]

i do this for every major change

it lets me rollback to previous versions easily

[muted sun]

it's like saving before you do somethinh stupid in a bethesda game

[brisk trench]

I'd just load asi through dxwrapper since it also act as an asi loader.

[candid mirage]

Darn save scumming git-reverting githubers

[muted sun]

lmao

[rose oasis]

that works fine too

[brisk trench]

lovely stuff

[golden raven]

They done got rid of the 1m model for me

[rose oasis]

i pointed out above that it depends on the type of chat you open in vscode (it's stupid)

you need the one that opens it in a tab instead of in the sidebar

otherwise it doesn't show up

[golden raven]

Eggs

[bright ermine]

eggs

[muted sun]

https://youtu.be/km1uWUPQvcs

[rose oasis]

claude used my nickname for the test triangle

[muted sun]

lol

earlier had claude write me a blueberry pancake recipe

turned out pretty good

[rose oasis]

😔

i upgraded my plan. usage on the website says 0%

but claude CLI and the extension both claim i've hit my limit

how niceeee

claude website works

😠 😠 😠 😠 😠

okok it fixed itself

[candid mirage]

"claude fix claude"

[rose oasis]

😭

[bright ermine]

bro what i have no images

[rose oasis]

it happens if a folder in your workspace happens to contain a typical image format

even if it's not actually an image

one of the games i was working on had a data folder with like .tiff or something but it was actually game files 😭

i had to exclude it

[rose oasis]

you guys know what's sad 😖

the $200 plan has similar usage to what the $100 plan did just last week

can't recommend claude sub atp. use copilot

[candid mirage]

https://klipy.com/gifs/rainbow-spongebob-89

[simple orchid]

https://status.claude.com/

oh my goddddd, emailing support, I either want a full refund or a major discount this is crazy 💀

I had cowork doing something for me and it's completely down

[rose oasis]

😭

it is so bad

100% juist buy the $40 copilot sub

fuck this

[simple orchid]

Absolutely, not worth the $200 by a longshot

[rose oasis]

i'm keeping this month of it because i already paid for it, gonna make the most of opus 1m while i can. then switching to copilot before it renews

[rose oasis]

okay this isn't totally accurate

i'd say it's double what it was before. but certainly not 4x

🤔 what game to mess with tonight

[dull swallow]

Pikmin 2

Ph wait tjis isnt dolphin

Nvm

[atomic steppe]

just wait for Claude Mythos, then you can pay 5k for 1 month 😄

[rose oasis]

😭

[dull swallow]

You should try the walking dead maybe if anything

Or

Whats the game

With the fungus virus

[rose oasis]

the last of us 😰

[dull swallow]

Yeah

Cant think abt movies and games atm

[rose oasis]

might mess with just cause 2 🤔

i wanted to try mass effect 2 but the UE3 stuff done by softsound already kinda covers it

[bright ermine]

dx10

(vine boom)

one of the very few too

[sharp seal]

We'll let the AI think of something smart

[rose oasis]

decided to work on Red Faction Guerilla

[bright ermine]

dx10 is very different from dx9 so the "smart" part would be retrofitting whatever state the dxvk dx10 code is into remix

iirc its based on 1.9.3 so its probably workable?

but it would probably be very difficult

[sharp seal]

Just back port it to a dx9 translation layer

[bright ermine]

i hope this is sarcasm

[rose oasis]

lets made our own API for Remix ✨

[sharp seal]

:clueless:

[muted sun]

yep
dx11 is basically an slightly extended version of dx10

[sharp seal]

I'm not saying that we should abandon the idea... As an experiment it would be nice to try

[rose oasis]

we got 2 options for anything above DX9:

1. make a robust framework that'll require an insane amount of work per game to convert it to DX9
2. use the remix API which is far easier and accept w/e limitations there are

[bright ermine]

option 2 has also been proven to be viable (definitely not self advertising 🫃 )

[rose oasis]

i would like option 1 to happen but it's extremely unlikely

[bright ermine]

2 is best overall because its API agnostic

only real issue is it being game specific

or engine rather

[muted sun]

I haven't even heard of anybody downgrading a game to dx9 from dx10+ before

without source code

[bright ermine]

yeah would not count on it

[rose oasis]

yeah i agree

is that delay fixable btw?

[bright ermine]

yes, my wrapper is a bepinex modloader plugin and also the other stuff i mentioned, so its just specific to that

(all fixable too, just would rather get ultrakill to render perfectly before doing optimization)

[sharp seal]

#1481706093976621277 message

[muted sun]

F it
gonna see what vibe can find in Halo MCC's CE .dll

if there is any game that can be downgraded it would be MCC CE

[rose oasis]

or halo 2 🤞

[muted sun]

yep

[dull swallow]

Or reach

[muted sun]

lol

[rose oasis]

or 3!!

🤞 4 was on the 360 so that has to work too ofc

[dull swallow]

The day halo reach raytraces is the day we die happy

[muted sun]

the 2003 port of CE is what they used to build CEA and later the MCC version of CE

already have a template of how the game would run if it were dx9

[rose oasis]

does the MCC version have any benefits?

[muted sun]

64 bit and more modern modding tools

[dull swallow]

And a lovely ue frontend

That doesnt make me wish the old 360 ui was there at all

[muted sun]

I would hijack the frontend

could be wrong but I think even the tag test version of CE that ships with MCC's mod tools might even be dx9

[sharp seal]

What's the difference between that and gearbox port

[muted sun]

64 bit and more modern modding tools

and other quality of life stuff built in

[dull swallow]

So like is this a "fix one fix all" for the entire mmc or is it still per game inside game

[muted sun]

I'm just poking around rn

I'd imagine it would have to be per game

[dull swallow]

Damn

[muted sun]

not even sure it's even possible so I wouldn't get your hopes up

[dull swallow]

Ik

As much as I seem like a dreamer my hopes are never through the roof until it happens

[muted sun]

vibe is still chewing through the dll but it found a refence to d3d9.dll

[muted sun]

-# now I'm wondering if MCC is using some translation layer...

would explain why MCC freaks out with the nvidia dx11 debug layer

[muted sun]

okay so no active translation is being used rip

[rose oasis]

😔

[muted sun]

looks like however they translated the dx9 backend -> dx11 is just buggy because dx9 was more permissive with certain things

number 1 rule of Halo games on PC

they are alway cursed

[rose oasis]

i pushed changes to my comp branch

i fucked up before and mistakenly pushed FNV specific stuff

new one fixes that and also adds back the original diagnostic logging that was in the old proxy, but now you can control it from imgui instead of fiddling around with hardcoded delays

[rose oasis]

rfg is cursed

[vagrant kernel]

If I commit here it's not going to get pushed to the main repo or something right?

Just asking cause it says commit to master and then master below. Don't wanna push some bullcrap

[muted sun]

Yeah

it won't be pushed unless you do git push or whatever

[bright ermine]

for VS specifically i think it's "Sync Changes" where that blue button is at

[vagrant kernel]

Ok, I comprehend now

I've become a git

[rose oasis]

turns out it's better than what was initially thought

[naive kindle]

No deferred shading 😜 ?

[rose oasis]

😭

i wish

it does have some FF stuff but not a lot

The DX9 path has a hybrid FFP+shader architecture:

• FFP state is set (SetTransform, SetLight, SetMaterial, SetFVF, SetTextureStageState)
• Programmable shaders also used (CreateVertexShader, SetVertexShaderConstantF, D3DX constant tables)

letting it churn through some of the ghidra stuff and i'm gonna sleep lol

[naive kindle]

SetTransform being set is a good thing.

[sharp seal]

I've noticed that even if the game does send it's own SetTransform calls over, remix might still report unable to find valid camera

[naive kindle]

Weird. I looked at only one game myself tbh, Silent Hill 3, where it used shaders, but also called SetTransform, and remix was able to detect camera. I wonder if there's any restriction/race condition. I think I have TR 2013 in steam, I'll try to get a PIX capture EDIT: Argh, steam TR does not want to start with PIX, complains about steam not running

[rose oasis]

hello world

are you guys ready to suffer for another day with me

[sharp seal]

Does this involve the AI suffering from all the RE labor

[rose oasis]

i got ✨ 3 hours of sleep

[rose oasis]

it's usually happy so ig not

• it did this: #1481706093976621277 message

[sharp seal]

We need the test triangle

[rose oasis]

it's mr triangle!!

https://tenor.com/view/it-never-ceases-to-amaze-me-rotating-cube-test-triangle-ball-checkerboard-gif-23085047

[sharp seal]

It truly never does cease

The amazement is perpetual, static and everlasting

[bright ermine]

me toooo

[golden raven]

ONE

ONE prompt to test cowork

And out of usage

from 30%

On opus

Max plan, btw

This is just bullshit

[golden raven]

Not even 30 minutes

[rose oasis]

hi

[bright ermine]

good afternoon

[rose oasis]

😭

i'm home finally

[dull swallow]

Hai hello

[atomic steppe]

@crystal kiln new pull 🙂
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/Vibe-Reverse-Engineering/pull/13

Indirect call scanning — Game binaries are full of call [eax+0x10] style vtable calls that our tools couldn't see before. Now xrefs --indirect and callgraph --indirect find them. Useful for tracing C++ virtual methods, D3D API calls, and callback chains.

Switch table resolution — Functions with switch statements (state machines, message handlers, packet parsers) used to produce broken control flow graphs with missing branches. cfg.py now auto-detects MSVC switch patterns and resolves all the jump table targets.

Dataflow analysis — New dataflow.py module. Run --constants on a function and it tells you what values end up in which registers at each point. Run --slice to trace backwards and find where a value came from. Also baked into context.py by default now — you get resolved constants for free when assembling context.

[rose oasis]

🤣 i was just about to ask you for help with refining my prompts on my fork so i could do a pull request 😭

[rose oasis]

these seem very useful

[atomic steppe]

i only do pulls when Kim is about to

[rose oasis]

i have noticed claude struggling a lot to figure out which tools to use in some cases. like for my FFP scripts, it completely skips them unless i tell it directly to use them (sometimes i have to say it multiple times)

https://github.com/Kim2091/Vibe-Reverse-Engineering/tree/remix-comp-integration

i'm not the greatest with the prompt/skill files. i think i end up just wasting its context instead of guiding it properly

[atomic steppe]

ill look 🙂

[rose oasis]

🫂 thank you

i sent you a colab invite for my fork so you don't need to mess around with branches and forks and w/e

if you end up finding anything to improve

[atomic steppe]

the DX analysis scripts arent in tool guide, if skill doesnt trigger then it doesn't know its available i find skill triggering to still be a bit flaky especially if the skill is kinda nuanced like this one, il have it route those kinds of questions there first

commited

[rose oasis]

thank you!

claude.md got added back with this. i know you removed it, but claude kept insisting that it works best with it. so far that seems to be a lie though 🤣

[atomic steppe]

nono i deleted it from root folder

there is supposed to be one in .claude

[rose oasis]

ohh okay

[atomic steppe]

btw rules do get included in every context call just like claude.md so the remix-comp-context.md would be better being a reference under the dx9-ffp-port.md skill, we only want that info to be invoked when its working with ffp

i made a commit

if the skill still isnt very reliably invoking after last change we can look into it more

[rose oasis]

@muted sun you convinced me. i'll prob turn the remix-comp code into a proxy. i have run into issues using the asi loader on 2 games already, they refused to hook it 😭

[muted sun]

let's gooo

[muted sun]

pro tip: make sure to register the skinning module in comp.cpp

aaaaaaaaaaaaa

spent way too much time debugging that

[rose oasis]

😖

i need an easier game to port for a bit. going kinda nuts

claude is kinda borked today. it's just not behaving right
and extremely prone to thought loops

[quaint kelp]

pull hasnt been merged yet , hopefully soon

[muted sun]

halo uses a channel packed texture for enemy colors and a few other things. has anybody gotten anything like that working with vibe before?

[rose oasis]

🤔 can you elaborate on how that works?

i vaguely remember one of the games i worked on doing something similar

[muted sun]

https://c20.reclaimers.net/h1/tags/shader/shader_model/

under multipurpose map

think xoxor did something with one of their mods

[rose oasis]

ohh

yeah a lot of games do things like that

can't remember which one i worked on that did it 🤔

[candid mirage]

So Ive had Claude running bootstrap for about 30 mins now, python3.14 -m retools.bootstrap "Z:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Conquest\Conquest.exe" --project Conquest results in no output, blank terminal. Even if run manually.

How long does it usually take to execute?

[rose oasis]

takes over an hour for me usually

[candid mirage]

Yeah cant tell if it silently crashed, terminal got closed somehow, or if it truly was still running. Got Claude now just doing the command, not backgrounding any other tasks, timer started, shall see how long it takes...

[rose oasis]

gonna be for realsies here: claude has seemingly never benefitted from doing the bootstrap

i've never seen it effectively reference it or learn anything useful from it

[candid mirage]

Supposed to create a kb.h right?

[rose oasis]

yeah

[candid mirage]

To what extent does bootstrap break a executable down?

[rose oasis]

about as barebones as it can get. it's mainly potentially useful addresses for claude to reference

[candid mirage]

I see

[rose oasis]

😔

the one for FNV is ~40k lines

pro tip: do the bootstrap on an exe dumped with scylla, rather than the normal game exe

it will find far more useful addresses that way

that's the only way i've gotten it to do anything useful

[rose oasis]

i'm taking my sweet time optimizing this. it's a massive overhaul and requires a lot of testing and bug fixes

i do want to get a PR opened for it asap though

i ported the MGRR wrapper over to it, and some of the stability issues vanished ✨

[candid mirage]

Did you just do a basic dump after selecting the executable in x86 Scylla? Any particular settings?

[rose oasis]

just select the game process and dump

claude has 0 issues parsing it and it yields a lot of useful information

[candid mirage]

So Claude already ran the template analysis scripts on the original executable? Should it re-run them on the dumped executable?

[rose oasis]

yup

these, right?

if so, yes for sure

[atomic steppe]

The kb.h doesn't go into Claude directly which wouldn't be good as it's likely thousands of lines, it is pulled into the decompiler it gets real names to help it cross reference names instead of just hex. Think of it as force multiplier. Here an example Claude made lol

Without kb.h, decompiling a function gives you something like:
void fcn.004a1b30(int32_t arg1) {
int32_t iVar1 = (int32_t )(arg1 + 0x00);
((void (**)(int32_t))((int32_t )iVar1 + 0x2c))(arg1);
if ((int32_t *)(0x7c5548) != 0) {
fcn.00401010(arg1, *(int32_t *)(arg1 + 0x54));
fcn.00401200(0x7c5548, 2);
}
}
With kb.h seeded:
void Player_Update(Player *this) {
IEntity *vtbl = this->vtable;
vtbl->Tick(this);
if (g_gameWorld != NULL) {
HandleMovement(this, this->velocity);
SetRenderState(g_gameWorld, CULL_NONE);
}
}
Same bytes, same function. The difference is:
fcn.004a1b30 → Player_Update (bootstrap matched a signature or RTTI)
arg1 → Player *this (signature from kb.h gave it a type)
*(int32_t *)(0x7c5548) → g_gameWorld (global in kb.h)
fcn.00401010 → HandleMovement (that function was also named in kb.h)
0x54 → velocity (struct type propagated from the parameter type)
2 → CULL_NONE (enum defined in kb.h)
It's the difference between reading assembly with labels ripped off vs. reading near-original source code. Without kb.h you're mentally tracking "ok, 0x7c5548 is probably some global, and fcn.00401010 takes two args..." — with it, the decompiler does that bookkeeping for you

[rose oasis]

🤔 hmm

makes sense

but um... even after generating a kb.h it ends up looking like the top sample a lot of the time

[atomic steppe]

Hmm need to test more games with it then ill look at it more

[candid mirage]

So bootstrap finished on the decompiled exe after 36 minutes, log and kb.h created

10.66MiB sized executable

[candid mirage]

👀 https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1s8zxt4/thanks_to_the_leaked_source_code_for_claude_code/

[jovial totem]

If anyone is using codex, they did reset the usage today

[vital dew]

Finally took yalls advice last night and got into making new chats for each issue instead of squashing them all in one. I was able to handle the fake shadows and increasing resolution in one chat with static analysis but after trying to get it to work on LOD with live tools it simply would crash my game every other attempt. Ended up making a new chat just for LOD fixes and it can actually hook into the game and scan while playing without crashing it all the time
Haven't tested its latest fix since it was late but hoping it nailed the LOD issue 🫡

[quaint kelp]

I think I should avoid a sub this time to an agent because money issues and the instructions keep getting updated

[golden raven]

Okay

I'm going to reclone vibe reverse

I'm going to use the latest tools

And I'm going to see if rogue trooper gets any better

[quaint kelp]

Did Ravens pull get merged yet

Not home so can't check

[brisk trench]

Is there a way to get remix to change a replacement texture for example for a skybox, in JPOG it changes based on weather or is that not possible yet?

[vital dew]

Checked it like an hour ago and it wasn't merged i think

[golden raven]

@rose oasis how tf do I use the 1m model?

[bright roost]

not merged yet

but i notified him on it

[crystal kiln]

Sorry. Been on a rush lately. Took me a while so I just merged without reviewing it deeply. But overall looks like a very sounds feature

To prevent these delays, I added you @atomic steppe and @rose oasis as contributors since you guys have been so active. When I can't review it you can ping each other and move the project forward 🙂
In fact, when a new PR is open, I think we can just ping everyone and the first that picks that up and reviews can approve

[golden raven]

Okayy but 1m how?

[fallow helm]

If you are using Claude Code: "/model opus[1m]"

[bright roost]

What does it do?

[fallow helm]

That switches the model to Opus 4.6 with a 1 million token context window.

[bright roost]

Ah nice, thx

but it will eat up limits for sure

[fallow helm]

I am not sure if it is Claude Max exclusive or not, though.

[golden raven]

on vscode

[bright roost]

i think its effort max

cause just 2 prompts did this XD

[sharp seal]

💀

[golden raven]

no

That only makes it yap more in thinking

[golden raven]

Fuking pieec of shit

[bright ermine]

they mean the actual claude code cli

[golden raven]

how on this?

[bright ermine]

what are you using

[golden raven]

Vs code

[vagrant kernel]

Does the AI with this toolset actually know what kind of camera matrices RTX Remix expects? I guess I don't understand why in some games you can force a fake camera with CR's build quite easily yet the AI has a hard time just replicating that basic camera implementation.

[bright ermine]

i dont think copilot exposes 1m

i cant find it myself

[vital dew]

I think Kim said something about you have to open the chat with a certain button?

[bright roost]

Claude plugin for VS Code

and that are the only options that plugin has

[bright roost]

no 1m...

[vital dew]

Eggs

[golden raven]

eggs

[crimson yacht]

ggs

[bright roost]

gs

[atomic steppe]

i have a lil fren

his name is Spindle and i like him v much

[solemn epoch]

What's up with Warband Coop

[atomic steppe]

its going i guess wse2 had some progress on the coop front so ive switched to use its backend, and am now doing coop battle work

[solemn epoch]

Oh yeah for sure, should've used it from the beginning 😄

[bright ermine]

dumbass cat knocked over the coffee smh

[sharp seal]

It spilled all the offsets

[golden raven]

Yes. Waste more tokens pls

[vagrant kernel]

I assume if Claude has been trying to calculate projection matrices for almost two hours it's not going anywhere 🥀

[muted sun]

-# why is claude trying to calculate them?

[vagrant kernel]

Because the camera isn't being picked up

[muted sun]

when you said calculate do you mean like dig through the game's binary or like actually calculate the projection matrix?

[vagrant kernel]

It's actually calculating it like making assumptions about it like mathematical operations that should lead to a certain result but don't so it considers it invalid for a certain use case, then it goes "Wait, actually..." and tries a different approach

[muted sun]

probably just doesn't know what it is doing

https://zero-irp.github.io/ViewProj-Blog/

give it info from the writeup and see if it does wny better

[rose oasis]

thank you!

[rose oasis]

did you figure it out?

[golden raven]

nooope

[rose oasis]

okay

are you in CLI or in the extension?

@

@golden raven be summoned and respond 🙏

on the left side of VSCode you should see a Claude icon

click it, then press New Session

then try to change model in there

it should show opus 1m

[golden raven]

Will do. Whenever I wake up

[rose oasis]

wow

they REALLY messed up the models

i gave it a simple prompt and it's overthinking constantly

The user has invoked the /dx9-ffp-port skill. The skill has been loaded and its content is displayed. Now I need to wait for the user to provide a specific task related to DX9 FFP porting. Let me look at what was actually triggered - the skill was loaded, and now I should respond appropriately.

Looking at the conversation, the user ran /dx9-ffp-port as a command. The skill content has been loaded. I should acknowledge that the skill is loaded and ask the user what they want to do, or wait for their next message with the actual task.

Actually, looking at this more carefully - the skill was invoked via the Skill tool, and the content was loaded.

The user's message was just /dx9-ffp-port which triggered the skill. I should now respond and ask what game they want to port, or wait for more instructions. But I need to be careful here - there's a local command caveat that says I shouldn't respond to local commands unless the user explicitly asks. However, the skill invocation is different from a local command, so I should treat this as the user wanting to use the DX9 FFP porting skill and ask them what they need help with. I'm realizing the skill has already been loaded and is ready to use, but the user hasn't actually asked me to do anything yet—I should wait for them to specify what DX9 FFP porting task they need help with.

The DX9 FFP port skill is loaded. What game are we working on?

[crimson yacht]

Actually, looking at this more carefully going to give me ptsd in 5 years

[rose oasis]

😭

[golden raven]

Let's look at this from another angle

[vagrant kernel]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ap6wcjRyi8HoA

[bright ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-bestie-so-true-patrick-bateman-angel-gif-23081489

[rose oasis]

✨

the new template code is almost ready to PR and merge

it's a massive improvement over the old template code, and is also more stable

(probably because xor wrote the base code and he's awesome)

[rose oasis]

👀

[simple orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/giveittome-gif-21927068

[rose oasis]

full changelog ✨

https://github.com/Ekozmaster/Vibe-Reverse-Engineering/pull/14

it has all of the features of xor's original code, plus all of the features from my old ffp proxy code. it also integrates the tracer into the imgui, so after you have an at least partially working proxy you can just manually capture traces + diagnostics to help claude refine it

[candid mirage]

Ahhh hell yeah

[dull swallow]

Is this metal gear

[rose oasis]

yus

[dull swallow]

Ah

Did you redo it with xors then? How much has it improved

Or is it smthn different (sorry ive been dumb all day)

Remembered earlier

[rose oasis]

i replace the old proxy system in the vibe tools with a heavily modified version of xor's remix-comp-base code

[dull swallow]

Ah

[rose oasis]

it integrates all of the features of my old code with his, and made other major changes

i want to try to differentiate it some from xor's stuff because i don't want people bugging him thinking it's one of his projects

[dull swallow]

Right

[rose oasis]

i'm gonna make a new theme rq

[brisk trench]

budgie theme

green and yellow green and yellow green and yellow

[dull swallow]

Futiger aero theme when

[rose oasis]

literally what i'm doing 😭

[brisk trench]

Imagine Win95

Nostalgia theme

[dull swallow]

Lol peak

[rose oasis]

thoughts?

[crimson yacht]

Very nice

[dull swallow]

Looks pretty good!

[rose oasis]

@atomic steppe just making sure you saw it: i pinged you on my PR to pls review it when you have time/if you are able to

[rose oasis]

refining it a bit, then gonna push

[atomic steppe]

i think the ai messed up on some stuff one sec

like the d3drs table is diffrent between files

[rose oasis]

👀

wow that's not good

@crimson yacht @dull swallow

good?

i like it

[atomic steppe]

here this has some good insight, probs dont need to fix EVERYTHING but some is worth reviewing

[rose oasis]

omg that's a lot

ty

[rose oasis]

how did you have this generated btw?

i was trying to have something like this done, but it kept comparing the wrong commits on the wrong branches (even when i gave it the specific ones)

[atomic steppe]

superpowers:brainstorming plugin code reviewer skill

prompt: "do a full code review with brainstorm to all changes since and including commit e05742257fe88f63c9a059100d34109552b81377"

[dull swallow]

Love it

[rose oasis]

@atomic steppe i believe it's been resolved

(also pls tell me when u push to my branch, but i appreciate u fixing some stuff)
nvm i just didn't see it

[simple orchid]

erm i have a feeling la noire won't work

[rose oasis]

uh no that's actually really promising imo

all of my conversions started out like that

do a trace there and give it to claude or w/e llm you use

🙏 the new DX9 analyzing scripts already helped immensely with Jade Empire (my guinea pig for this new proxy)

[simple orchid]

bet, about to update the repo and dig a little more

[rose oasis]

it's not merged yet, but you can pull from my fork

[simple orchid]

I think this game would really benefit from path tracing, I think all the facial capture they were trying to convey was lost in the render, I think remix will help bring out the self shadow stuff

[rose oasis]

improved meshes, better lighting, and SSS

it'll help so much

[atomic steppe]

lgtm kim 🙂 might wanna squash and merge to keep commit history more tidy

[rose oasis]

😅

i personally find it much easier to track the separate commits

but if this would help with reviews then i'll do it

i'm going to add 2 more scripts rq to assist with skinning. minor enough changes that it won't require review. then i'll merge

[atomic steppe]

up to you

[rose oasis]

okie dokie, merged

monster of a commit: https://github.com/Ekozmaster/Vibe-Reverse-Engineering/commit/8109a5f7692973144dd73b9255fb25029a4454e1

[rose oasis]

also i thought you meant squashing on my branch. squash and merge makes more sense lol. i did that in the end

[rose oasis]

https://github.com/Ekozmaster/Vibe-Reverse-Engineering/pull/15

another feature ✨

[muted sun]

Root Cause
The crash is a vis-cluster array buffer overflow, exposed by the combination of two patches:

Portal Visibility Test (0x005549C0 → mov eax, 2; ret):

Bypasses fcn.00554850 (the portal clip function), but the recursive DFS call at 0x0055480B (call 0x5545d0) still fires — confirmed by tracing cmp ax, 2; jmp 0x55480a; push edi; call 0x5545d0
Forces ALL portals through the "clearly visible" code path with the unclipped context
Combined with the PVS gate NOP (0x00554758), this causes every BSP cluster in the mission to be traversed and written into the vis-cluster array
AABB Frustum Test (0x0050D5B0 → returns 2, intersect):

Sends every object in every rendered cluster to the vis-object list
Vis-object count IS safely capped at 1024 (patched from 256 in extend_limits.cpp) — this doesn't crash
But it amplifies the total processing load, exposing the vis-cluster overflow sooner on complex missions
The vis-cluster array at g_vis_cluster_buf (from extend_limits.cpp) is VirtualAlloc'd for exactly 512 * 0x1A0 = 0x34000 bytes. The rasterizer loop at 0x004F0EB7 reads vis_count from 0x7D0390 unboundedly. There is no explicit count guard — the engine historically relied on PVS culling to keep the count < 128. Entry 513 writes to VirtualAlloc_base + 0x34000, one byte past the allocation, into uncommitted memory → access violation.

Mission-specific behavior: missions with ≤ 512 total BSP clusters (most indoor levels) work fine. The Library (c20) — which has 600+ repetitive rooms — and Assault on the Control Room (b40) — with its massive canyon BSP — exceed 512, triggering the crash in those exact missions.

insane lol

[rose oasis]

take a look at this guys

3/4 of this was determined just from the new DX9 analyzation scripts in the new update

it used to take a ton of RE before using the disassembler to get this info

this UI is so helpful with traces and logging omg

in just ~20 minutes starting from scratch, i've made more progress on burnout paradise than i did in ~8 hours last time

[sharp seal]

You're working on burnout again???? 👀

[naive kindle]

Did the AI also propose a solution?

Because I remember when browsing your code, you already integrated some HaloCE patch that dealt with VirtualAlloc to expand some buffer.. if we have a similar situation it should be fixable in a similar way.. (God I hope AI did not enter cyber psychosis and talk about that already fixed buffer..)

[golden raven]

What the fuck is. Analyzation?

Analysis

[rose oasis]

it's a real word

unfortunately

also i've been trying for the last 4 hours to think of the word analysis but i couldn't

[golden raven]

Analysation is the right spelling

[rose oasis]

not in the US

[golden raven]

Hm

[rose oasis]

reverse engineering the format the shaders are stored in. it looks like the shadow rendering is what causes remix to crash in the main menu

when it first renders 3d geometry

[golden raven]

Explain

[rose oasis]

wtf

it's there for me

you're on the Max plan right??

windows broke my screenshot tool so i can't take one

but opus is at the top for me and the description says 1M context

[golden raven]

I am on max

And it works on my brother's computer

No idea what happened on my end

[rose oasis]

😭

maybe uninstall the claude extension and reinstall it

[rose oasis]

🔥

a script to extract and one to repack

now i can modify the shaders themselves to be more compatible

[golden raven]

One prompt and it's already half

[rose oasis]

😭

[golden raven]

😭

eggs

aparently I need the sdk now?

Claude code has a regex frustration detector

lmao

https://youtu.be/mBHRPeg8zPU

[candid mirage]

Just buy Github Copilot Pro+ and never look back

[golden raven]

no

[candid mirage]

Super large usage limit

[vital dew]

Context on mine gets blown away within a couple prompts usually, ill legit watch it wrap around several times like a clock

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-dump-everything-burn-throw-flushing-gif-7888889

Claude sonnet forgetting exactly what I fucking told it 5 seconds ago because the context size is that of an infant child

[rose oasis]

are you on the latest version of the toolset btw?

we optimized context usage quite a bit

[sharp seal]

You can completely disable the shadows though

There's a fake vehicle drop shadow

That can be manipulated by altering the constant values

[rose oasis]

😭 i wish you responded earlier

got it blocked in the proxy finally

[golden raven]

es

[sharp seal]

Sorry

I was manually able to guess what shader does what just by changing it's c.register values, there's one for changing the sky, it's clouds movement, orientation etc. there's one for the sun, it's size color

All the goodies are controllable

[muted sun]

the buffer fixed was pulled from chimera
https://github.com/SnowyMouse/chimera

[rose oasis]

which value were you editing? if you could give me this info i should be able to get this working

[sharp seal]

Use the camera proxy. It's was really just me picking a random shader and messing with it's register values (I didn't log which shaders I messed with). Also somehow the shader is reading those values live from the register

Very inefficient way because I was working with guesswork

But I could tell what was being modified at runtime

[golden raven]

This new update made it dumber

Bro didn't even bother with investigating shaders

Just beep boop, setup the wrapper to launch with the game and here u go sir. your remix compatibility

fucking moron

[rose oasis]

🤔 it's been working significantly better for me

and please try not to be a dick about this. i spent the last like 4 days working on this

[sharp seal]

😭 what did I do wrong

(off topic rant)

[golden raven]

I can be a dick to claude if I want, thank you ver much

[sharp seal]

I swear there's nothing more stressful than riding on the hopes that AI will magically figure out your RE task in a single, well guessed analysis.

[golden raven]

Weird. The claude pc app does show 1m. I'll have to figure something out

[golden raven]

Gonna give this a shot

[solemn epoch]

process PID (process process identifier)

[sharp seal]

Wasted a token by saying please

[golden raven]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-stare-at-paper-gif-5257839294650729742

[vital dew]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-da-ba-dee-eiffel65-gif-14330492

Any luck so far with the Claude app?

[golden raven]

Yeah it's been working great

[golden raven]

They have a texture. Along with literally every other building and railing and anything really. The whole map isn't pure white or made of vert colors.

For later whenever my limit resets

fuck anthropic

[bright roost]

@rose oasis

Sry for the ping in advance, but didnt E-Man added you as contributers so you can add your stuff yourself?

#1481706093976621277 message

[rose oasis]

yes

[rose oasis]

@atomic steppe that brainstorming skill is amazing. i'm using it for the PS2 static recompilation project. it's making the cleanest code i've ever seen from an LLM and it tests it for functionality/validity after each stage

[muted sun]

damn...

[rose oasis]

to be clear, i'm not using it for the RE tasks because they don't play well together

but for just about every other project, imo it's a necessity

[rose oasis]

two active projects

proof of concept FO4 implementation of Remix based on CR's UnityRTX

PS2 static recompilation

[muted sun]

swear if you get Fallout 4 usable before I get Halo usable

lmao

[candid mirage]

Next up, Cyberpunk 2077

[rose oasis]

just wanted to post here that i'm available for one more commission currently: #1482811180870406376 message

[muted sun]

don't make me commission you to help on halo lol

[vagrant kernel]

Have you already tried running Halo through the toolset?

[muted sun]

that's what I've been doing

game is just funky

slowly getting there especially with saint math's help on the gpu skinning

[vagrant kernel]

What are the issues left with it? Thought the toolset would make short process of a game from that era

[muted sun]

still working out the kinks in the skinned meshes and culling, performance is bad (30ish fps on my 4070ti + 5800x3d system), enemy rank colors don't work, decals for bullet holes and blood don't work properly

and probably more stuff I can't think of right now

[sharp seal]

Halo games on PC are a special kind of cursed

Halo 2 Vista was so bad

thankfully we have mods to improve performance

[muted sun]

I also want to port over the animation interpolation, hud, and fov fixes from chimera

so like there's still a ton of work to do 😓

[vagrant kernel]

Ah, so it's more about polishing it to work properly rather than just getting it working in the first place

[muted sun]

yeah

[candid mirage]

Lets not forget, this game was originally designed for Mac

[muted sun]

kinda
from what I've heard they basically rebuilt the entire game from the ground up in the last year of development

[sharp seal]

weren't they targetting a PC launch before microsoft bound them to be an xbox exclusive first?

[muted sun]

bungie was a mac game studio before being acquired by microsoft

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzrme9yWens

[vagrant kernel]

We need RTX Remix for Mac I guess

We need a :clueless: type emote on here

[muted sun]

need to port the mac version of Halo CE to PC and add RTX Remix to that

-# yes there is a mac port of Halo CE

[sharp seal]

i gotchu

[vagrant kernel]

you're da goat

[brisk trench]

I tried the new update on a fresh project on JPOG but I've basically wasted a bunch of tokens, it couldn't even get a valid camera.

[rose oasis]

🤔

what are you using for it. copilot?

[brisk trench]

yup

[rose oasis]

if so the copilot prompts might need some attention

i only use claude code rn so that was the main focus

[vagrant kernel]

I had a big breakthrough porting my previous work on a game to the new update and new proxy based on xoxor's work. Hoping to fix up some stuff and share later

[vagrant kernel]

Is the web-researcher very slow for anyone else?

[rose oasis]

i block it personally

[vagrant kernel]

Might do that too

You know what would be the ultimate final boss of remixing? Twinsens Odyssey or whatever it's called. I heard that one actually renders its 3d backgrounds in real time but only once since they are fixed. So each time you move to another screen it's rendered once. Imagine being able to grab that data and path trace it

[gloomy ginkgo]

Curious if anyone has trying runing claude code with ollama and a free open source model for RE efforts or if that'd just be a waste of effort.. https://dev.to/akshay0611/run-claude-code-for-free-using-ollama-no-api-bill-no-compromise-5hfm

[crimson yacht]

I have, tried latest qwen and deepseek model, definitely not worth wasting your time with it

[gloomy ginkgo]

omg you're right, this is a complete waste of time, it just keeps hallucinating that it's only a chatbot or that I'm in a linux environment when trying to get it to use RE toolset..

[crimson yacht]

Kind of a shame too, they say AI progress is meant to be exponential, and yet local models are still not that close to even Claude Haiku
Maybe the largest versions of the local models are actually that good, but I don't think they're much better

[gloomy ginkgo]

I can get it to start working by following another AI's suggested prompts to get it back on track but yeah this doesn't feel like the way to go about it lol

[dull swallow]

something something psychonauts 2, closed source with no modding tools, ue4

[vagrant kernel]

The imgui menu is such a gamechanger for just sticking options there rather than having to toggle in the ini all the time. Especially to narrow down certain draw calls, matrices or whatever you can just tell the AI "stick em in the menu and I'll cycle through in-game and report what I see"

[rose oasis]

yus

it helps immensely

having all of the FFP tools & tracer and all that in there too

[rose oasis]

wow

so i got $200 more usage

for free

wow

thanks anthropic ❤️

[candid mirage]

Buuut still have the 5 hour limit

[solemn epoch]

Got this email as well today

Curious, what kind of day of generosity is this 😄

[sharp seal]

World rat day

Not even joking

https://x.com/popbase/status/2040285734679056556

Pop Base (@PopBase)

Today is World Rat Day.

X · Apr 4, 2026, 4:30 AM

[solemn epoch]

[golden raven]

Weird

[rose oasis]

✨

soon, renderdoc will be integrated into vibe tools

i'm working on it rn

needed it for FO4

[vagrant kernel]

A cli version the AI uses or something?

[rose oasis]

yep

i just tested it. fully functional

now it can reverse engineer fallout 4's rendering order and sort out the UI issues itself

it required a lot of manual intervention before

it's also able to dump the textures itself from the capture to see what it is/if it's what it needs

[vagrant kernel]

That's cool, I've been thinking about using Renderdoc manually to help the AI

The toolset about to be on like 3.0 already

[rose oasis]

=== 7 textures @ EID 178 ===
185 1920x1080 R8G8B8A8_SRGB [renderTarget]
179 1920x1080 R16G16_UNORM [renderTarget]
321 1920x1080 R8G8B8A8_UNORM [renderTarget]
191 1920x1080 R8G8B8A8_UNORM [renderTarget]
188 1920x1080 R8G8B8A8_SRGB [renderTarget]
208 1920x1080 R16G16_FLOAT [renderTarget]
118 1920x1080 D24S8_TYPELESS [depthTarget]

Saved 1 textures:
C:/Users/mystery/AppData/Local/Temp/fo4_rt_185.png

✨

[vagrant kernel]

I did all that work manually yesterday, so automating it would definitely come in handy

[rose oasis]

https://github.com/Kim2091/Vibe-Reverse-Engineering/tree/renderdoc

if you want to mess with it

i'm still going to be modifying it some, just bug fixes and stuff. but it works nicely already

[vagrant kernel]

Awesome, will be giving it a look

[rose oasis]

bugs are fixed

it's like 100% functional now
nvm it's like 80%

[sharp seal]

Guyd

https://vxtwitter.com/om_patel5/status/2040279104885314001?s=20

Om Patel (@om_patel5)

I taught Claude to talk like a caveman to use 75% less tokens.

normal claude: ~180 tokens for a web search task

caveman claude: ~45 tokens for the same task

"I executed the web search tool" = 8 tokens
caveman version: "Tool work" = 2 tokens

every single grunt swap saves 6-10 tokens. across a FULL task that's 50-100 tokens saved

why does it work? caveman claude doesn't explain itself. it does its task first. gives the result. then stops.

no "I'd be happy to help you with that." no "Let me search the web for you" no more unnecessary filler words

"result. done. me stop."

50-75% burn reduction

with usage limits getting tighter every week this might be the most practical hack out there right now

vxTwitter / fixvx · Apr 4, 2026, 4:03 AM

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-malone-the-office-waste-time-gif-12642368

[quaint kelp]

yay my premium reset without having to sub again

[rose oasis]

yeah lmao

[sharp seal]

I think other languages like Chinese or similar are more efficient since a single symbol sometimes can be one word

[quaint kelp]

be cool to re something like with another language and changing it to the users language for translation

[sharp seal]

We need a way to do the AI task in a very efficient language so it takes even less tokens for it

[quaint kelp]

yea

[sharp seal]

Translation would also not need AI then

[quaint kelp]

the opus 4.6 preview takes 30

[vagrant kernel]

Translation could run local easily

Tbh I'm not running out of requests, even on Opus. Even though it says 3x it doesn't take more than Sonnet or GPT really

[rose oasis]

it's a bit more complex than this

most LLMs are made to be the most effective/efficient in English. they often just do not perform as well when speaking in other languages

[sharp seal]

Yeah it's a bit of a large scale restructure with how we approach with training models

[vagrant kernel]

Me talking to Claude:
好的，我想尝试做些其他事情，不要一直纠结于纹理/网格复制的问题。
在光栅模式下，似乎仍然存在后处理效果。我想禁用这些效果，因为所有的后处理工作反正都要通过 RTX Remix 来完成。也许这样也能解决一些渲染问题。
你能查看游戏文件夹中的某些截图或跟踪日志，找出这些效果并设法禁用它们吗？

It turned captures into screenshots so that's already a problem

[quaint kelp]

when your power goes off and on and your pc is off now

lol

i was in vscode

hmmm can you re a pc engine game to pc?

those are hard to come by though

dragon warrior would be a nice port

or code veronica x from ps2 or the original from dreamcast

[vital dew]

Im really excited for PS2 recomps, my body yearns for burnout takedown recomp

[sharp seal]

burnout 3 as well

oops

i thought that was revenge 💀

banger game as well

[quaint kelp]

i wana re this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACGZFQprD-A

[dull swallow]

Gl

[quaint kelp]

i have it , it will be a process

i have to plug in my blueray

[vagrant kernel]

Randomly got the idea of MDK RTX

Hopefully the advancements by Kim can be used to make nglide or so compatible

[vagrant kernel]

I keep forgetting that Claude can also just be used for productivity tasks. Just had it make two tools in like 15 mins that will save me hours of time.

[fickle token]

Gamechanger

[vagrant kernel]

One is a script for Davinci resolve that fills a project a certain way and the other combines two dictionaries to create a csv output for Anki. First task I used to sit down for like 30 mins to an hour to do and the second would take me days because I'd go crazy doing it manually for too long at a time. Then I tried using ChatGPT but it would constantly break. Now I just have one click tools with GUIs.

[fickle token]

Love it

[vagrant kernel]

Nothing better than starting a day thinking you're finally close to fixing a long standing issue just to end up with a bunch of regressions and a worse state than before at the end of it

[muted sun]

git is your friend 🙏

[fallow helm]

Relatable as hell.

[vagrant kernel]

Wish it was, when I checkout prior commits it seems like just nothing changes, even though it has the changes and stuff. Might have something to do with a branch I tried creating

[muted sun]

odd

[bright ermine]

yep this is the most important thing

[atomic steppe]

If you're using Claude it also has that /rewind feature

[vagrant kernel]

Turns out I had some open changes that I had to stash

Also turns out it was already bad on the last commit and I just didn't notice those particular issues before

So just all around fun times

[fallow helm]

It happens, especially when you are focused on testing one particular thing.

[vagrant kernel]

Yeah, it's pretty much just one issue I'm trying to fix and it always seems like there was a breakthrough but then there wasn't

[solemn epoch]

I like how most people here have been using the Vibe RE repo for tinkering with many games at once, while me using it strictly for creating crazy fuckin tools for a single game, and not even Remix related at that 😄

Like I'm telling this lil guy do a backflip and he bloody does that's wild

Animation import/export plugin for Blender

Map editor

The things you can achieve if commit all the effort into a single game

[muted sun]

siiick

-# I'm just using it for halo

[crystal kiln]

Bro, you did all that using VRET?

[solemn epoch]

Yep

[crystal kiln]

I haven't been able to commit much time to assist and watch over this thread so I pretty much glance quickly over the flashy images ppl post, and it is so nice

[solemn epoch]

funny bros hehe

[crystal kiln]

This is so awesome

[vagrant kernel]

I think you kicked off a new generation of RTXing with this tbh

PseudoPolish is gonna make Painkiller 2 eventually

(not the new bad one)

[crystal kiln]

So awesome to see all that. I wonder what else I've been missing from you guys' work 👀

[muted sun]

Kim has been using Vibe for Fallout 4 I think

[crimson yacht]

[solemn epoch]

This shot looks great, really consistent

[vagrant kernel]

@bright ermine Random question, but lights added via API should show under light statistics, right?

[bright ermine]

yep

[vagrant kernel]

🧐 Hmm, back to the drawing board, thanks

[quaint kelp]

its funny when i use the tools sometimes claude says intel arc cards arent compatible

lol

when they are

[solemn epoch]

Reminds me of how I used to troll LLMs with outdated knowledge cutoff telling them stories of how the US ceased to exist, France went to war with UK, a disastrous earthquake shattered Ukraine in 2 parts and how a guy stormed the Rockstar office trying to steal GTA6 killing 300 people as a result

It would always be like "My God, this is horrible!"

"I'm so sorry to hear about Netherlands going under water"

It was fun, playing around with LLMs at their very dawn

[rose oasis]

for finding addresses, yes. but most of it was actually done without vibe tools

and i had to add renderdoc to vibe to fix the UI in FO4

✨

paid off

[muted sun]

damn...

so like will vibe use renderdoc on it's own?

[quaint kelp]

gpt5.4 went down for me some reason

[rose oasis]

yup. it'll walk you through the concept of getting a capture, then it can launch the game for you with renderdoc hooked. then you press F12 to get it, and it'll research it itself

it can dump the textures from the renderdoc cap too to verify that what it's looking at is correct

i was doing it all manually before

i will say that you should use the GUI in conjunction with it. give it a head start on what to look at. it can get kinda lost sometimes, there's no way around that with how much stuff it has to sort through

but it can figure it out a lot of the time

[muted sun]

bruh

[rose oasis]

i'm still working on improving it

with enough refinement, you should rarely need to use the GUI

[muted sun]

breh

[rose oasis]

😆

i fixed the prompt for it

rn it only works with claude (since i'm still testing it, no reason to duplicate it for the other platforms yet)

but if anyone else can mess around with it, i'd greatly appreciate feedback

[rose oasis]

it's gone

all used on FO4 and making the renderdoc tool

but at the very end i got an extremely useful document

[solemn epoch]

Peak Eastern Europe gamedev

[vagrant kernel]

@rose oasis You ever tried to open a straight RTX Remix capture in RenderDoc? I'm getting "invalid opaque capture address" trying to open one

[rose oasis]

you mean a capture you did in renderdoc through remix?

or like... a capture from remix meant for the toolkit

[vagrant kernel]

Just a RenderDoc capture of a game running with RTX Remix

[rose oasis]

well

i haven't

afaik it's not compatible

could prob look at renderdoc's source code to figure out how to make it compatible

[vagrant kernel]

😢

[rose oasis]

not something i want to do though

[vagrant kernel]

I wonder if it's too big, it's a 3GB capture

[rose oasis]

i doubt that's the issue

my FO4 caps were 800 MB

[sharp seal]

Is renderhoc better for game rendering analysis with remix than maybe having a game render without remix and then do a PIX Capture (old titles)

[rose oasis]

personally i'd recommend running it in the game without remix. it provides much more valuable information

[vagrant kernel]

Issue is vanilla rendering is nice and straightforward but then when it hits RTX Remix it somehow gets a ton more complicated

[vagrant kernel]

When you waiting for a build but that "compacting conversation" hits 😭

[solemn epoch]

It's a push ups time

Great feature

[vagrant kernel]

I will be doing push ups now or a work out in general just because I've sat on my ass for 3 hours this morning talking to AI again

[solemn epoch]

don't forget about squats

sitting for extended periods of time fucks up your spine bad and leaves it in a wrong state

[vagrant kernel]

My spine has already always been fucked

[solemn epoch]

[golden raven]

Backshot spine compression

[quaint kelp]

intel arc hates me

or dxvk

[vagrant kernel]

You trying to remix on Arc?

[quaint kelp]

yea it has xess

why not

it works

just not what im doing

[vagrant kernel]

That's cool actually

[quaint kelp]

intel arc b580

[vagrant kernel]

How is perf

[quaint kelp]

pretty good actually

im not complaning its better than my 3060 i had

[vagrant kernel]

Claude is stuck in a projection matrix spiral again. That one really gets it stuck

It loves talking about rows vs columns

[candid mirage]

Bruh, this was all in one prompt, asking it to review captures

[vagrant kernel]

PTSD intensifies

I'll be having nightmares of this at some point

[sharp seal]

The double dash plague

Just use a single dash like a normal person

[solemn epoch]

Are you still waiting

[golden raven]

I got my 100 dollars of extra usage

Eggs

[quaint kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/hellmo-fire-chaos-egg-elmo-gif-25351800

[solemn epoch]

Map editor for Painkiller Hell Wars (Xbox Original)

This is honestly getting ridiculous. Xbox uses much more convoluted format than the PC version

[vagrant kernel]

Are you trying to port Xbox maps over?

[solemn epoch]

1 (one) person was able to crack it so far

[quaint kelp]

interesting

[solemn epoch]

Trying to resolve the Xbox version overall, there's a lot of stuff undiscovered there

Some formats have never been cracked

[solemn epoch]

I don't know what is more frightening, the fact ChatGPT can figure all of this, or the fact you are being hand hold by ChatGPT while doing it.
that Computer Science degree has become toilet paper

quote 😄

[rose oasis]

@candid mirage made me aware of the fact that RenderDoc doesn't support DX9. idk how i missed this

do you guys think it would be useful for me to include an option for Claude or w/e LLM you're using to install plain DXVK to the game to do captures?

while not everything in the capture would be 100% accurate thanks to the translation layer, it would probably still be more helpful than not having the capture at all

[candid mirage]

Anything helps, think it wouldnt hurt

[muted sun]

could also use dgvoodoo2

[sharp seal]

For DX9 static rendering analysis you can make use of the Legacy PIX (comes with directx SDK)

[rose oasis]

i just want to avoid having a ton of tools to accomplish the same task ig

more tools = more context used

[sharp seal]

Right, but for dx8 and 9 titles. This is probably the only way to have analysis like this

I'd even add dx7 because wrappers

[rose oasis]

well. i'll try dxvk rq to see how it works with renderdoc

yup it works 100% okay

i just got a capture from tomb raider legends with it as a test

i'll compare with the output from PIX

[rose oasis]

that being said, it is clearly batching things differently. not reliable ig

[rose oasis]

even if PIX works well, i can't really include it in the toolset. everything in there needs to be portable/packaged

[brisk trench]

I tried it with JPOG using dxvk yesterday it didn't work.

JPOG in general seems to be an absolute pain

[vagrant kernel]

I did a DXVK capture of a DX9 game and it looked sound, just took forever to figure out how to hook it but that was due to Steam DRM shenanigans

[solemn epoch]

That's why I'm using GOG releases, because they let me do whatever I want with no Steam lurking in the shadows

[quaint kelp]

Man I wish I could code my project on the go. I'm not home

It's on vscode

D:

[jovial totem]

I use rustdesk, the free alternative to teamviewer

[brisk trench]

Ye just use a remote viewer, you can even set your PC to wake on LAN if you don't want it racking up your electricity bill

[vagrant kernel]

Guys should I drop peak or nah

[solemn epoch]

maw

[vagrant kernel]

#showcase message

Prob should surprise no one I did this with the toolset

[rose oasis]

what approach did you use to get it working? looks amazing

[vagrant kernel]

I tried a bunch of things but the camera would never hook whatsoever. What worked was extracting the games shaders and telling the AI to look at those for any hint as to how the camera matrices are set up. Then it figured it out eventually

Weird thing is, because it was such a mess at that point, I wanted to start fresh with that approach and it just couldn't figure it out at all no matter what

[rose oasis]

FFP proxy then?

[vagrant kernel]

Yea

[rose oasis]

i've had to do that many times yeah. shaders help a LOT

[vagrant kernel]

It's like the first time it looked at them and went "that's it, here is what we needed" and implemented it. On the clean slate it just kept trying and breaking stuff

[quaint kelp]

Hey Kim. Have you ported anything yet from consoles

[rose oasis]

i'm working on the PS2 thing. but it's extremely complex

[quaint kelp]

I don't know about what prompt to give claude

[rose oasis]

tbh, don't attempt it

it's gonna waste your credits

this is something that'll take months even with claude

[quaint kelp]

Was thinking about rcps3 games

[rose oasis]

yeahhhhh that's not gonna happen

[sharp seal]

I would not touch that tbh

[quaint kelp]

Xbox probably be better? I mean fable 2

[solemn epoch]

Wonder if I should maybe try Xbox Original games. This console is much closer to the conventional PC hardware

[sharp seal]

Oh definitely

[rose oasis]

yes

i'm only doing PS2 because there are so many exclusives on that console that i want to work

[quaint kelp]

Something small or a Xbox homebrew game probably first for testing

[vagrant kernel]

Bro, take one game and try to get it working. My man out here thinking bout PS3

[quaint kelp]

Bro I'm working on making a dx11 branch of remix. Almost got a ue4 game going

[solemn epoch]

[quaint kelp]

Had to stop because I had to be at group therapy today

[vagrant kernel]

Pics

[quaint kelp]

SpongeBob SquarePants battle for bikini bottom rehydrated almost working

[vagrant kernel]

Actually path traced?

[quaint kelp]

I'm working on compatibility first. Its hooking but remix crashes after title

Not touching dx12 though

I'm gutting dx9 and using dx11

I'll give a test build when I get home for y'all

[misty meadow]

Making some progress with Red Faction, last night my view model was stuck in the floor like 10 feet away from me and the weapon wouldn't rotate with the camera, geometry and NPC's were missing and now that is fixed, hopefully claude can get the scale of the view model right, it is enabled in remix UI but didn't make a difference

[quaint kelp]

I never played red faction

Has anyone had luck with any of the fear games

[solemn epoch]

Fear heavily relies on pixel shaders for essentially everything this game has to offer

That is an absolute Remix killer

[vagrant kernel]

xoxor4d got the basics of FEAR going, I wonder if AI could help with the issues that were still left to fix

[sharp seal]

You guys really did replace the actual wizard 💔

I wasn't even sure Darks Souls 1 was gonna work but here we are

We have a new contender though (Burnout Paradise)

AI will shit bricks just looking at that game

[solemn epoch]

Batman Arkham Asylum should be the endgame

[sharp seal]

You don't know when someone brave and daring will touch GTA 5 next

[solemn epoch]

this discord server will finally fulfill its' purpose

[vagrant kernel]

Nah, nothing can replace his actual wizardry. AI couldn't just spit out something as high quality as his comp mods

[sharp seal]

https://tenor.com/view/the-incredibles-incredibles-incrediboy-goat-washed-gif-17400851353785408218

Nah wrong gif. But we do need to edit this @rose oasis once someone insane does actually get GTA 5 working 😭😭😭😭

You never know these days

[solemn epoch]

GTA5 effort feels like it is not worth it even as a joke since it has RTGI now

GTAV 5

[sharp seal]

yeah and tbh it doesn't really bring that much of a visual boost in quality

when compared to older games

[sharp seal]

Like this

I think for personal game projects where remix compatibility was not possible before could now atleast be made compatible without having to learn all the hard RE stuff. which is already proving itself since we got a handful of games compatible this way

[quaint kelp]

Me

[solemn epoch]

Yeah it honestly feels very powerful to be able to do something very complex just using natural language

Really excited about the future of AIs agentic capabilities

[quaint kelp]

I might need the 200 usd package for gta

[sharp seal]

I should have elaborated I was joking

[quaint kelp]

Ik but still

I wouldn't mind. Remember I almost got phasmaphobia goin

Lol

2 fps

But gta has modding tools for asi packages

[vagrant kernel]

Was it path tracing though

[quaint kelp]

It had matrix and cam issues

It wouldn't find the world

If Kim did fo4. We can do gta

[dull swallow]

Bro now I fr need NEED someone to try halo reach sob

[quaint kelp]

I think there's a post on halo

[sharp seal]

we need a PLAN

[quaint kelp]

In showcase

I think

[rose oasis]

i'm considering working on halo reach

[sharp seal]

wait hold on.... Is it the halo reach on MCC?

[dull swallow]

PlEASE 🙏

[dull swallow]

Yeah

[sharp seal]

Isn't that like, modern era rendering stuff

[vagrant kernel]

Is that DX9

[dull swallow]

Kim got fo4 to work

A dx11 game

This is also dx11

[sharp seal]

That was a edge case example

[dull swallow]

Doesn't mean it isnt worth a try 👆

[sharp seal]

Simply got lucky because of F4SE extensive support for the game

[quaint kelp]

Oh it was @dull swallow post mb

[dull swallow]

Yeah lol

[quaint kelp]

Now I'm wondering destiny 2

[vagrant kernel]

Is there an MCC modding scene?

[dull swallow]

Dont tell me this wont go hard with remix

[dull swallow]

There is

An EXTENSIVE

Modding scene

With the mcc modding tools

[vagrant kernel]

We need a master list of games Murray has been pondering on

[vagrant kernel]

That could make things more workable at least

[dull swallow]

https://youtu.be/AlohHvOWsSc?si=6XuU-Ddh2dBZDrC6

[quaint kelp]

Be cool engineering a level editor too like the one person did with painkiller

Halo 4 when

[dull swallow]

@rose oasis assuming all things (to my knowledge) getting reaxh to work possibly also means halo 3 odst

Dont quote me on that

[vagrant kernel]

I bet there is tons of cool tools (nice rhyme) you could make, sadly my brain is only creative like 2 minutes a day. That's mostly when I got my ideas on how to fix Dark Souls

[quaint kelp]

Cortana in remix

Man

[dull swallow]

Screw Cortina

https://tenor.com/view/halo-reach-me-when-gif-14960990659925682403

Imagine this with rtx

[quaint kelp]

But but if someone remixs halo they probably take of mc helmet

[sharp seal]

Where is love for ODST

[dull swallow]

Reach is superior

[sharp seal]

[dull swallow]

Mostly cuz of bias but I think the story is better

[quaint kelp]

Before someone fries the PC and tries infinite

[dull swallow]

Infinite is ue5

Iirc

[sharp seal]

I'm happy with older games

[quaint kelp]

Ik

[dull swallow]

Or is that their next game

[quaint kelp]

Infinite continuation of reach

[vagrant kernel]

3 would probably benefit the most from remixing. It's kind of crappy looking https://klardendum.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/halo31.jpg

[sharp seal]

My personal project would be battlefield bad company 2 with VRET, that game is directx9 and arguably the most challenging one to face

[dull swallow]

Idk i genuinely think the best one is reach due to its amazing scenes

And in house cutscenes

[quaint kelp]

Crysis when

[sharp seal]

I would say 2 because it uses stencil lighting

3 looked okay to me

Just a bit outdated because it's a 360 title

Not sure if the screenshot was from MCC

[quaint kelp]

I guess you can port the 360 version

[vagrant kernel]

2 has Anniversary though. 3 you gotta play in that weird graphical state

[quaint kelp]

Weather is gonna pop with remix

[rose oasis]

most likely

2 and 3 are tied for my fav halo games

[sharp seal]

I loved the gameplay loop in 3

good stuff

[quaint kelp]

2 had vista requirements

[rose oasis]

MCC version

[vagrant kernel]

Man, why does my Dark Souls vid look so dang dark on everything but my OLED screen

Might have to brighten it and re-up

[rose oasis]

looks good to me

[quaint kelp]

Contrast

[rose oasis]

😔

[dull swallow]

I will fight tooth and nail to have my way abt reach

[rose oasis]

i don't like reach much. ik that prob sounds ridiculous. idk why. i just can't enjoy it

but if developing it means there's a framework for 2 or 3, i'll give it a shot

[quaint kelp]

Elden ring reverse engineer to dx9 when

[dull swallow]

I tried doing it myself but im a Neanderthal i guess

[dull swallow]

If it does work

[quaint kelp]

Was halo 2 dx10

[dull swallow]

My heart will explode

[dull swallow]

Its all dx11

[quaint kelp]

Ah

[dull swallow]

All of it

[quaint kelp]

Possible with kim

[dull swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-ghost-bear-gif-10757085

[sharp seal]

Kim Possible reference

[dull swallow]

And I do wanna say thank you for doing so, genuinely if it does work im forever and ever and ever in your debt

[solemn epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/elrond-i-was-there-gif-10950832

[rose oasis]

i shall try

(but not too hard probably)

[dull swallow]

Damn

Fair nuff

No worries

[rose oasis]

main reason is it'll use up my credits 😆

[dull swallow]

Yeahhh

I mean

Yeah fair

[vagrant kernel]

I need to start turning off HDR when I capture SDR footage. It raises blacks on Windows while lowering the highlights. Looks crazy contrasty when looking at the video with actual SDR toggled on

[dull swallow]

I need to go chill out now before my heart does actually explode lmao