Painkiller

[noble beacon]

It's been a good year so far

[vale gust]

I have V.I.P level request

Docks

[noble beacon]

Noted

Who needs a diploma when there's a V.I.P. level request

[noble beacon]

It's a known issue

THERE'S NO MALWARE

[vale gust]

you've been caught red handed

I knew all along it was malware

[noble beacon]

Just a pinch

There was a bug that Chapter 3 wouldn't install due to it's different folder structure

Now fixed

And this. I'm sure you can't wait to run it on your PC @vale gust

[noble beacon]

Fucking hell

[vale gust]

I already get it you wanna steal my top secret mods

but you have to try better than that

[noble beacon]

Alright I give up

Keep your secrets then

YOU WON'T STOP ME FROM GETTING MY HANDS ON THAT DUAL WIELD MOD

[dusk jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-annoyed-gif-24725658

Polish at this moment:

[north kiln]

oh by the way i have find that pbr material i have apply on one of my vrchat map it's can be nice to the cathedral level or Atrium

If that person not like the RTX render why they have download it just to split venom?
Plus they forget one important point it's still work in progress!
Even Alex from Digital Foundry say it's "keep in mind it's still a work in progress project more improvement and fix will come with futures updates"

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/404840637834461186/1145307706127822959/He_Came_Back.gif

[noble beacon]

@vale gust
@light palm

A PCF developer messaged me

Asked if he could help with how shaders work

[vale gust]

who calls Black Edition "remaster"

[noble beacon]

Maybe it's a very old thing/saying

That no one remembers

[vale gust]

and yeah, I know they used 1.1, they can be reverse engineered

[light palm]

oh cool!

[noble beacon]

I'd like to bring him in Painkiller RTX Discord

[vale gust]

maybe ask him what the fuck the "warp" shader is

[dusk jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/robertdowneyjr-wide-eye-tony-stark-iron-man-avengers-gif-7766118

[light palm]

It would be wonderful to collaborate with the talented PK modders who act like professionals.
They could bring a lot to the project, and benefit from the momentum we have been gaining recently!

[light palm]

that would be incredible!

[vale gust]

it was not about collaboration, it was about the review of 1

[light palm]

I know

[noble beacon]

I'm not able to create an invite link

[light palm]

just saying!

RTX Remix Showcase Invite: https://discord.gg/c7J6gUhXMk

[vale gust]

make sure to invite him to my server as well

[light palm]

david has a server?

[vale gust]

It is the Painkiller server, you are in it

[noble beacon]

Wouldn't it be better to create an isolated thread on Painkiller RTX Discord so that it wouldn't get lost?

[light palm]

ahh okay 🙂

this is the discord link directly to this thread:
https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1313627595815911448

[light palm]

oh now I understand 😄

[vale gust]

if one looks closely, there is a bowl

although the transparency is not that great

[light palm]

The HQ skies look great, however there is one unfortunate issue

[noble beacon]

It also disappeares completely sometimes

[light palm]

the reflections still show the un-tagged version which is very jittery

[noble beacon]

I think it depends on which direction you look

not certain

[light palm]

I have almost completed implementation of fully dynamic sky with time of day and moving clouds and so on 🙂

[noble beacon]

so called "transformative update" incoming

[light palm]

soo much be cooking behind the scenes!

[vale gust]

I wanna see, V.I.P request in DM

[light palm]

ggoing to be sickkk

[light palm]

VIP access shall be provided good sir

also, all of the lights on atrium are now physics objects, and get moved by nearby explosions and so on

amongst many many other cool bits and pieces

I need to refactor the github to include all of this, once that is done you should be able to test the new changes

[vale gust]

found in Painkiller's credits

[noble beacon]

Nice

[noble beacon]

What the fuck

Jesus

[noble beacon]

I managed to hit 25

[robust hollow]

you can recompile the bootloader for pyinstaller

https://pyinstaller.org/en/stable/bootloader-building.html

reduces AV detections

[noble beacon]

Who said these are false positives

[robust hollow]

https://github.com/pyinstaller/pyinstaller/blob/master/.github/ISSUE_TEMPLATE/antivirus.md

[robust hollow]

i mean, if you post malware here you're gonna be banned. so i hope they are false positives 😛

[noble beacon]

Is this a good result?

[robust hollow]

yus

[noble beacon]

No way to reach 0 without signing this python executable?

[robust hollow]

yup

2 is good. expect it to grow to 4 or 6 as the exe is distributed though

[noble beacon]

I see
Thx

[vale gust]

If people do not read instructions but open random .EXEs, I am concerned

you already see there are people that don't even like NVRemixLauncher

[noble beacon]

Maybe the downloader won't trigger much attention

hopefully

[robust hollow]

the downloader used to be written in python and was always causing issues because of pyinstaller

switched to rust a while back

[noble beacon]

I used Nuitka and got 2 false positives

but it goes absolutely nuts if you try to make it --onefile

99999999999 viruses

[robust hollow]

you do need to make it onefile if you intend on distributing just the exe though

[vale gust]

we will get even worse reviews if you distribute that

[noble beacon]

you can never get worse enough reviews with an RTX Remix project

Portal with RTX and Half-Life 2 are about 5/10 each

So we must aim at 3/10 or something

[noble beacon]

Can I not distribute this? You don't need Python environment set up to run the exe
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1n3v6Otw6LhThaWQU4R59Qn36zGA-jClf?usp=sharing

[robust hollow]

i mean you can. but the problem is that you only scanned the exe. it's possible that the exe actually loading all of these extra files will still trigger AVs

[noble beacon]

Seems to be clean enough

Just 1 trojan in one of those files lol

Also not flagged by the Google Drive and it's not zipped

Shit

Nvm i'll zip it

[robust hollow]

why not just host it on github?

upload source code, and then zip this up and attach it as a release

[noble beacon]

Yeah will do

I just like to host everything about the project on the gdrive

There are lots of stuff

[noble beacon]

https://github.com/PseudoPolish/PKRTXDownloader

[noble beacon]

@light palm Wanna test for yourself and post it somewhere?

I suggest you to download the whole mod in one go, cause I didn't test it that way

I tested chapter by chapter and it worked

[north kiln]

Okey with a bit chance i will have my key for the closed beta of Painkiller 2025

[leaden quest]

How did y'all get such great variation in your volumetrics? I've been in a conversation in the Asset Creation thread about volumetrics, where the consensus was that Remix can only do one volumetric setting for a whole game, without a modder having to dive into API calls or modifying the base game. So how you were able to get such great fog in Cemetery without the fog taking over Cathedral?

[noble beacon]

There's such thing as Legacy Fog Mapping

That picks up on game's original fog values

We change these values for each level

It's easy for Painkiller

[leaden quest]

So PainEngine had volumetrics already? That is a luck break--I'm working in an engine (idTech3) where the original creators simulated god rays, spotlights and similar effects with translucent textures defining beam shapes, smoke, etc. I'd like to be able to add some atmosphere to different environments (so research facility and a swamp don't have to have the same feel) but it looks like to do that I'll need to go down a real coding rabbit hole.

[noble beacon]

Yeah Painkiller makes use of volumetrics

And configuring it is a matter of editing a text file

Well at least idTech 3 is open source

If people were interested enough, they could absolutely make it work

PainEngine is not open source and has been partially reverse engineered by XDavidXtreme

[leaden quest]

Yeah, when I picked Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast to work on I thought "Game from 2002? Minimal shader use? Open source engine? Robust modding community? Even with my minimal artistic or technical ability, I should be able to handle getting this working in Remix!" [Voiceover: "He could not handle it."] But it's inspiring to see what a good team can do. I bought Painkiller the other day to play the vanilla game for the first time, in anticipation of your 0.1.6 release--and the way your team's work has heightened the atmosphere of the game is incredible.

[noble beacon]

It takes one nerd locked in a basement for several years

David did an amazing work

He completely disabled culling and solved some issues that prevented the game from even launching with Remix

[noble beacon]

I don't really know if it's useful to know, but Painkiller has a hardcoded framebuffer of 640x480

And Remix was having trouble with it

Recompiling the Engine with a proper values made it possible to lauch the game

[leaden quest]

In idTech3 world we have @quasi salmon as our resident technical guru, without whome I woukld have been unable to get Remix to launch. They've been an absolute godsend for all the projects using that engine. I think all the engines of this era ran on almost entirely hacks and hope, so being able to get them play nice with modern tech is a rare talent.

[noble beacon]

Poor OpenGL souls

It requires some bloodmagic to make it work

"work"

[noble beacon]

This is crazy

People can finally download the fuckin Toolkit

took a couple of years to figure out

[noble beacon]

Yosuke Nathan has given his leave for us to keep on using his art for any purposes, including promotion and collaboration with NVIDIA

We talked just now, he left the server a couple of days ago

[vale gust]

Why did he leave?

[noble beacon]

#showcase message

[vale gust]

what warning

[noble beacon]

Check the comment section

[north kiln]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/404840637834461186/1145307706127822959/He_Came_Back.gif

[noble beacon]

My let rabbit trying to escape from my rabbit magnet before accepting its fate

[dull stratus]

Bliss

[vale gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA4gr27boEU

somebody leaked gameplay video, I don't believe this won't break the NDA

[noble beacon]

Just how edgy the dialogue lines are

"Killing demons? I'm in"

😭

Daniel had been frustrated and he hated being in there, Castle Samuel cutscene shows it well

They lost even this little element

[vale gust]

I find it worse how they just casually speak to an angel like Metatron like it is their homie

and they force you to wait through the dialogue

[north kiln]

when i have try the beta and i have be so bored at a point i have unistall it and i was the first to give it his chance

[vale gust]

Painkiller was somewhat accurate and invested religiously, they couldn't even get that right.

[noble beacon]

I wonder what is the actual original name of the project

It wouldn't be that hard to replace some guns once they've been told they're making a Painkiller game now

[vale gust]

actually, Metatron is an archangel, which means he is even above Samael in rank

and he just casually speaks to them like he is rooting for them

[north kiln]

if they not revisited all the game that new painkiller is fucked up. People Can Fly should never seperate themselfs of that franchise and keep it for them. During a period around 2005/2006 it was question of a Painkiller 2 but it was cancelled

Thankfully we have THIS https://youtu.be/UgGJrfMQDL8?si=qTYYBv89fR0J3JXh in hope it became official and at steam in a close future and with the coming update 0.1.7 it's will be even more great

[vale gust]

A lot of people wish it becomes official, but it seems that the IP is in like company hell

Plaion owns subsidiaries that own subsidiaries that own Anshar Studios

it would take like 3 upper levels for it to be approved, and the interest will get lost like after 1 level

[north kiln]

hmm until the moment they not made like nintendo and say "heeeeey no no painkiller belong to us you cancelled that"

but with the spotlight on it give by digital foundry they have clearly see the project and they have say nothing so it's mean they are not opposite.

Fun fact Painkiller Hell war was planify at PSP PS2 and Gamecube but the psp can't handle the game the framerate was very unstable at ps2 when a lot of physics objects was active and the gamecube was cancelled cause of the storage capacity of the mini-dvd so only the Xbox have right to a console version

i'm surprise to see people want play at painkiller rtx at steam deck but they forget the machine use a amd chipset and can't handle RTX of nvidia. Even the Nintendo Switch 2 have better chance because it run on a Nvidia chipset with the same architecture of RTX 3000 series. plus the big boss of Nvidia have confirm the chipset of the Switch 2 is compatible RTX and DLSS.

Me i vote for a Switch 2 version of Painkiller Remixed final 1.0 at Switch 2

Binq will need a lot of coffee

[vale gust]

It barely runs on 4090, and you want Switch 2

and did we have the source code donated and are we not aware of it

[noble beacon]

In fact Steam Deck is RT capable

https://youtu.be/a8SR1lVgj0w?si=5tMjzTpICeLmmF0s

[north kiln]

interesting

[odd thicket]

I need to update that video 😭

[north kiln]

i joking of course even if i love my switch 2 i know the hardware can't run a full path traced game. software solution like Lumen or with RTX using ONE effect like shadow or reflexion but not the both in sametime

[odd thicket]

I feel like the main limitation would be Memory, Steam Deck eats through a shit ton of Memory running pathtracing and the Switch 2 only has 12GBs and only 9GBs are available for gaming

Other than that, I’ve ran Remix on worse

https://tenor.com/view/tachiaoi-kunoichi-tsubaki-kunoichi-tsubaki-smoke-gif-26000245

Tho, 1.0.0 introduced a bunch of memory saving features
(Hmu NVIDIA, Switch 2 runs Vulkan)

[north kiln]

ILL made a better Painkiller than Painkiller 2025 and ILL is a survival horror fps https://youtu.be/ZBPi85S2MmA?si=dJJywzbCgTZD7U0c

[noble beacon]

Looks neat, but how is this Painkiller?

[north kiln]

Painkiller 2025 or ILL?

For ILL it's still in dev but it's a real new gen survival horror action fps with a physics pretty evolve with dynamic ragdoll system and procedural mutilation system like the FLESH of Dead Island 2 in more gore

[noble beacon]

Both of them bruh

[north kiln]

Painkiller 2025 you know my feel of that game it's must be delay to be remolded or cancelled to do a better Painkiller a real one. imagine a mix with the original Painkiller and ILL

[noble beacon]

ILL looks like that sort of survival horror games where you can't neither sprint nor jump

Painkiller is an entirely different thing, boomer shooter if you like

[north kiln]

yes true but in term of gunshot brutality ragdoll and physics on the maps i feel a little Painkiller vibe plus at some moment ILL look like to have a lot of enemies at screen imagine when you finish the game you have infinite ammo and all weapons or a horde mode whith waves of monsters

[dusk jasper]

what's the progress

[vale gust]

Hello, you must be a newbie

[dusk jasper]

yes, first day in job

[vale gust]

for 0.1.7 some assets have been remastered, the sky's clouds rotate and should obstruct the moon/sun which will change the light on the level

some Painkiller bug fixes

[dusk jasper]

nice

In case of some video or something

[vale gust]

did you plagiarize Nathan's work?

[dusk jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/this-relic-is-my-property-it's-mine-that's-mine-my-property-it-belongs-to-me-gif-631862142839768417

#offtopic message my return's text

[north kiln]

https://youtu.be/Yg9uNFWS-6w?si=QIneyi004k2kJlN4

[noble beacon]

That preview made me cautious about clicking on the vid

😨

[dusk jasper]

I'm surely cautious when my old logo is used

[north kiln]

sendme the new one to me i can add it

[north kiln]

why?

[dusk jasper]

Furry i guess

[north kiln]

yes i'm a furry i assume it at 100% + lgbt and i damn love brutal game like painkiller

[north kiln]

here we go your logo is on it

[dusk jasper]

👍

[noble beacon]

Ew furry

Smh

I hate them!!!

[north kiln]

The mamagen is not a furry maybe?

[noble beacon]

The illusive sarcasm

[north kiln]

ah ok. sorry i'm sleepy my brain work at 35%

[noble beacon]

Ah yeah gotcha

If it says anything I have 7 different furry sonas

:p

[north kiln]

A mod for the final version of Painkiller rtx with alastor with cat ears

[dusk jasper]

Oh please no

[noble beacon]

Fucking hell mate

🕯️

[north kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/ed-laugh-gif-3887664

[north kiln]

https://youtu.be/Vaub9kneP7g?si=xiXHm0uKWWUknxEm

[north kiln]

Meh...

...boring.

Lambda fps . exe with the name painkiller on it https://youtu.be/-a4ywaWme2M?si=CuiS-D1rhmrmZ2ww

[noble beacon]

Bloody circlejerk

[vale gust]

Hey guys, sorry for the confusion, but this is the channel for the Painkiller game 2004

this is a game that coincides in name with Painkiller

[vale gust]

you have to replace the bastard with something else

[dusk jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/deep-sigh-thomas-burke-final-destination-2-inhale-exhale-michael-landes-gif-7378972183209551879

That's painkiller girls and boys...

[vale gust]

yeah, it gives me pain that kills me

[dusk jasper]

indeed

[noble beacon]

We need some Klaudiush from Anshar Studios to explain why on earth their game is called Painkiller

[vale gust]

the most common feedback of the game was "change the name"

so if they don't do it, I can say they don't listen to feedback

[noble beacon]

they probably can't in any case

[dusk jasper]

seriously, they could do new IP, like "Devil Digger" or something, but no, Painkiller

[noble beacon]

🕯️

[north kiln]

in my eye's it's RTX remixed the real comeback of painkiller

[noble beacon]

just you wait until multiplayer levels are being worked on

[vale gust]

multiplayer

[noble beacon]

Painkiller RTX MP sessions

[vale gust]

nobody's going to play MP on this

[noble beacon]

hush

it's hilarious tho isn't it

it would take 13 people to draw "DUPA" using electrodriver's lightning

[vale gust]

I think you can solo HUJ

[noble beacon]

It's 8 dudes minimum wth

[noble beacon]

It's not a reboot when the very core concept is entirely different

It's a different game alltogether

[dusk jasper]

wanted to see how he would react to that word, so i took your words

[robust hollow]

yeah you see... there's a reason your message was blocked

don't do that again

[vale gust]

I get it, the bastard word is offensive

everything else seemed fine

[noble beacon]

A man can't even type words on the internet now a days

🕯️

[noble beacon]

I think it does. You do a reboot to revise some points that got old

Painkiller's Purgatory liminal spaces do not feel old/dated by any means, it's a cool concept

They absolutely did not need to scrap it

They haven't been trying to make a proper reboot, otherwise they would've known that the original idea is the coolest shit ever that is ahead of it's time

It's simply a different game with a different point to it

[noble beacon]

Will you rip and tear if there will be a character named Daniel

You know, in a game called Painkiller

[dusk jasper]

its like make Doom reboot, and not bring Doom Guy in a capacity

its like making Modern Warfare reboot and not bring back Captain Price

[noble beacon]

Doomguy was a freaking 16x16 2D sprite and they brought it over

Daniel is a full scale cinematic character

And he's not in the game

Madness

[north kiln]

the only 3d model of Daniel Garner can be use it's the one of Hell & Damnation

[dusk jasper]

those new devs can make new model, they made those new clowns from scratch, it won't be a problem to remake Garner

[vale gust]

what is this rage bait

"does not have normal human characters"

Daniel, William Bill Sherman what are supposed to be

unless they imply white men are not normal

[noble beacon]

The guy's probably one of those a bit clueless people who played some game called "Painkiller" 15 to 20 years ago and found that some old name he played so many years ago is getting revived in 2025 so it's automatically "cool"

Not sure why people who don't even remember the game engage in arguments

[vale gust]

I don't know why people who didn't play the game engage in arguments

[noble beacon]

English proficiency practice

[vale gust]

good thing the game aligns with the discriminatory views of the modern audience

it got something right

[noble beacon]

Daniel's appearance is a bit nazi to my liking

[vale gust]

Yeah, right, Nazis wore leather jackets and jeans during the WW2

[noble beacon]

I bet his jacket is made by Hugo Boss

Well at least they cut the Volkswagen motorcycle

[dusk jasper]

bruh

[noble beacon]

What?

The guy clearly stated that the new characters have kinda "PK vibe", however he can't compare them to any of the characters from the OG game (?)

And when presented with the actual OG characters to compare, they are wrong somehow (?)

[vale gust]

he literally made an irrelevant statement after calling your question irrelevant.

you were talking about the characters being normal, he talks about how they don't work in Multiplayer

modern audience nonsene arguments again

[dusk jasper]

Guys, circus is only growing more

[noble beacon]

Is there a name for a strategy in an argument where you spew random words that make no sense to stall your opponent into confusion

[noble beacon]

So that you can't even properly compute what has been said

[dusk jasper]

will fit even in original games

[noble beacon]

I think we all can agree on this and settle the matter

[vale gust]

I believe they are just some bot accounts scripted to talk about the game

[dusk jasper]

Sadly no, its real people in Croteam server, deadkadath is a guy in Timelock studios, meaning he is somehow responsible for Serious Sam Siberian Mayhem

[vale gust]

that is even more disappointing

[dusk jasper]

Exactly

[vale gust]

did he join after Siberian Mayhem got released right?

[noble beacon]

Fuck

[vale gust]

because I don't really get how the leather jacket/being badass makes it not work in multiplayer?

[noble beacon]

Culture shock

[dusk jasper]

He is lead at its studio, so i doubt it

[noble beacon]

You won't be able to comprehend what is wrong about it

[dusk jasper]

sigh

[noble beacon]

Just look at this nazi pirated DVD box cover

And nazi legal CD box cover

[vale gust]

I think he is just sabotaging Painkiller

it's a competitor after all

I believe he is the guy who got the harpies censored in SS4

[vale gust]

yeah, like the tyrannical Mental would invest into bras and underwear for some pawns

damn, he might be wrong about characters, but at least he got that right

[noble beacon]

1000 Hryvnia's

type "🕯️ " who already preordered

[vale gust]

don't forget you can refund it

[north kiln]

you sacrifice yourself?

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squidward-gif-21621168

[noble beacon]

Hell naw

[vale gust]

I'd rather buy the Painkiller IP

this game for sure devalued it a lot

[noble beacon]

Is it publicly available to know the cost?

Someone message Saber

[north kiln]

39€ here

[noble beacon]

XD

[north kiln]

i know euro sucks

[vale gust]

@noble beacon so you are from Ukraine

[noble beacon]

Nay

I switched to Ukraine because many games are not being sold in Belarus

[vale gust]

isn't that against ToS

[noble beacon]

Probably

[dusk jasper]

in a way?

[noble beacon]

Well you are not allowed to feign your region

[dusk jasper]

i'm doing this for 2 years already since 2023, me being Russian but my Steam account's region is now Kazakhstan

[noble beacon]

Still it is against TOS

We can only thank Gaben that he doesn't care much

[dusk jasper]

yep

[vale gust]

Let's make Steam great again

deport all the immigrants

[noble beacon]

🕯️

[dusk jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-fan4stic-fantastic-four-the-thing-say-that-again-gif-9345984830195785978

[noble beacon]

Don't write him a thankful email though

There's a good chance he will read

[dusk jasper]

i won't, never had a wish

i have my account since 2016, i ain't gonna lose it just because i wanted to thank Gabe for not noticing that i changed my region

[noble beacon]

Youngster

2015

[dusk jasper]

Painkiller being my 18th purchase, bought on August 25th of 2018

(oh those times when i was able to pay straight from my phone's balance)

[vale gust]

Painkiller was the first thing I bought on Steam

[dusk jasper]

my first thing to buy was FlatOut 2 back at October 5th of 2016

(account itself was made at July 18th of same year)

[noble beacon]

I am still able to pay for whatever I want

I even pay a Patreon subscription that is blocked in Belarus

[dusk jasper]

huh

[noble beacon]

Belarus never got excluded from SWIFT

We still have Visa and Mastercard operational

It's just that some publishers block their games in BY

[dusk jasper]

i got less lucky, as i live on country that got same sanctions as Russia as a whole

[noble beacon]

Isn't Russia the most sanctioned country in the world?

[dusk jasper]

i guess

[noble beacon]

Königsberg?

[dusk jasper]

one of cities of Belgorod region

[noble beacon]

fuck

Sell your property and move to Belarus, we still have internet and means of transferring cash abroad actually working

a superior country

[dusk jasper]

i won't be able to hold only on potatos

[noble beacon]

but you will 100% get extradited should Russia want something from you

sry

[north kiln]

https://youtube.com/shorts/FAP7d6ZTUK4?si=-65xVaYVQrBAS80u

[north kiln]

https://youtu.be/CQOn_8CHOlM?si=e3sEayQf5Bs85tKG

[north kiln]

@light palm https://youtu.be/CQOn_8CHOlM?si=Ov6LlmfoGo3IbLOi&t=103

[kindred haven]

Are you able to turn down the parallax on the cobblestone? Idk it feels like it’s a bit too deep and a sharp, rather than a subtle effect of depth

I just realized I’m replying to a message from February

[noble beacon]

Yes

Many surfaces require configuring the displacement values

[kindred haven]

Ya, just mentioning cause it looks a little, off if that makes sense, too high on the parallax scale for the cobblestone

[noble beacon]

Also this particular displacement map is AI generated, not really accurate

You can really see the difference between handmade high quality materials taken from Polyhaven and AI generated PBRs in game

Not that AI PBRs are shite or anything, it's just that displacement/height map generation in particular is not that great right now

[light palm]

Eventually 😅
We are a small team, if you like, you can easily fix these things in toolkit and contribute to project 😍

[north kiln]

July is here how @light palm feel to finish the update 0.1.7 right now https://youtu.be/ZbR5WcyWl18?si=gs43_xcnjctexvQv&t=11

[north kiln]

soon a public showcase of the 0.1.7?

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sniff-gif-3199815179106739551

[noble beacon]

44 seconds now

[north kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-dog-gif-20488236

[north kiln]

in sametime i want made some other video of it but i want wait the next update to do that because it's will be more advanced in a lot of things and fix missing things in the actual version

[light palm]

if only you were in the painkiller rtx dev discord 😉

so many patryk the cat photos

[north kiln]

i would love i'm sure i can arrive to assimilate how work RTX remix toolkit but i'm slow to learn things and with the contest the only thing i will do it's slow you down and i will not forgive myself if you loose by my fault. i'm sure when we have fully understand how remix toolkit work we can do cool things and when the contest will be finish you will have the mind more in peace and work on the futures updates in more chill mode and we will have more time to see how i can use it to help with the project but right now i will only slow you down. it's have take me more than 2 years to really assimilate Unity

[north kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/spincat-gif-4620048645392468202

[north kiln]

https://youtu.be/zvEWFjWfqiU?si=NGDKLdd5b1-gTu3G

[fringe tangle]

@light palm Does painkiller use any Remix API lights?

[noble beacon]

Yeah, I can send you a repo of the project if needed. All the Remix lights are defined in usdas that have the "Lights" suffix

[fringe tangle]

so not using the Remix API, just using the mod.usda to add lights.

Are there many lights attached to animated / moving objects?

[noble beacon]

Not sure, sorry. We'd need Binq to be online (the guy is in Australia) or for you to take a quick look at the repo. There's been a nice refactoring process so everything is in order

[fringe tangle]

Do you know if he's been changing game code to directly send custom lights to Remix?

[noble beacon]

I do know that flashlight and muzzle flash are implemented in a way that game's LUA scripts spawn meshes to anchor Remix lights to

Otherwise I don't know a lot about how lights work in the project

[fringe tangle]

If you're doing that, then you're probably not using API lights.

[noble beacon]

I thought that by "Remix API lights" you meant spherical/rectangular etc lights you place in the Toolkit.
But yeah, I can tell for sure we're not using API

It's all mostly manual game modding to make it do what we need it to do

hence flashlight mesh spawning when you press the key

[vale gust]

PseudoPolish casually leaking

[noble beacon]

I confess
I leaked SphereLight_Flashlight1 and SphereLight_Flashlight2 intensity parameters

Now everyone can make the same exact flashlight

Actually there's SphereLight_Flashlight3, meaning it would require some tweaks to replicate the same exact flashlight

[fringe tangle]

‼️ even more leaks!

[noble beacon]

I'd better keep quiet or I'll accidentally reveal that there will be Patryk the Cat easter eggs all over the place in the new mod version

[light palm]

Just using usdas. There are hundreds of lights attached to moving objects 🙈

[fringe tangle]

I think I've found the problem, but it's one of the cases where the problem happens long before it actually causes a crash, so I'm not certain. I'll have a debug build up shortly that hopefully one of yall can test out

[light palm]

Debug builds for breakfast 🤤

[noble beacon]

What's with the sleep schedule mate, is it just me or your active hours are drifting back and forth

[vale gust]

He's not in the server again

[fringe tangle]

Could someone test this d3d9.dll (needs to replace the one inside the .trex folder) to see if it fixes the crashes yall have been getting?

[light palm]

Testing now 🙂

[noble beacon]

A reassuringly long testing isn't it

[light palm]

Looking good so far, have not crashed!

[noble beacon]

Shoot some shotgun, it's a stresstest

[light palm]

This one popped up

[noble beacon]

Well it's something

[fringe tangle]

well... that's new and seeming completely unrelated. great 🥹

[light palm]

definitely more stable!

[fringe tangle]

go ahead and let it crash, then send me the dmp?

actually, just try to ignore

you probably don't normally use a debug build, that may just be a harmless assert

[light palm]

I could not find a dump, only these:

[vale gust]

have you searched in AppData/Local/CrashDumps

[fringe tangle]

did it actually crash?

[light palm]

I pressed ignore and then received the standard error message with a crash

[noble beacon]

It means that it did not crash?

[light palm]

I believe so, but I did alt-tab a few times. I will try to trigger it again

[fringe tangle]

err:   Too many decals in this scene to sort correctly, may see some decal corruption issues.

hmm... you have more than 255 decals at once. not a huge deal, but be aware that those may not draw in the right order.

[light palm]

Should I use dxvk.enableAftermath = True in dxvk.conf, or client.setExceptionHandler = True in bridge.conf?

[fringe tangle]

I don't see anything else in the logs.

[fringe tangle]

umm, why not both?

[light palm]

will do

[fringe tangle]

so overall you're seeing it more stable than before, but after a while of testing you can get that light assertion?

[light palm]

Yes, exactly

[fringe tangle]

that shouldn't crash by itself...

[vale gust]

why is the limit so low, you can create more than 256 with just the Minigun

[light palm]

retest underway!

[fringe tangle]

we only had 8 bits to store the sort order for the decals. But with something like bullet holes for a minigun, the order probably doesn't matter as long as it doesn't flicker noticeably

[light palm]

Crashed almost immediately this time, directly to:

[fringe tangle]

well that looks like it should have a dmp at least

[light palm]

no dump in .trex folder

only next to game exe

[fringe tangle]

dmp should always be next to the exe

[vale gust]

I mean, make it 16 bits or 32 bits, I don't see why we have to be 8 bits stingy

[fringe tangle]

actually, forget that, it may be in other places

[light palm]

i think the aftermath setting makes it show up next to the exe

I am going to do a quick test on an unmodded painkiller, just the runtime

[vale gust]

you remember that one crashed just from the startup assert

[light palm]

I will use only the startup assert and level load assert engine patch

[noble beacon]

Not a single PK player ever had been doing this

[vale gust]

you forgot to equip the Dexterity card

[noble beacon]

So much more stable though, before it would crash almost immediately when turning flashlight on

[fringe tangle]

the dump you sent is just painkiller's not the actual remix runtime's, so not really much I can get out of it.

It's possible the assert you saw was related, but it's also possible it's something that was already there.

but that assert shouldn't directly cause a crash

[light palm]

no crashes on the "unmodded" game just with the runtime

now I will try with the 120 lights spawned every time you fire the grenade gun

[noble beacon]

Seems stable enough to me

What do you do that causes crashes?

[noble beacon]

(generic painkiller crash)

[vale gust]

the varg vikerness background music

[noble beacon]

Okay I get it too now

[light palm]

does pressing ignore allow you to continue the game?

[noble beacon]

Yes

[light palm]

This one shows up with the usda replacements active, but base game not modded

Ignoring allows me to continue

[fringe tangle]

yeah, I've gotten that one in my testing, working on debugging it

[light palm]

OK now i got a crash

[fringe tangle]

I suspect it has the same source as the light error - that lights / meshes that have been deleted are still being used somehow

[light palm]

no crash dumps

[fringe tangle]

you're using a build I made locally, it's possible the dumps are some compiler flag only set by the automatic builds.

I'll debug the crash I can repro locally, hopefully it'll be the cause of both of these errors. Will have a new build when I can track it down, but that may not be till monday

[light palm]

No worries Mark, love your work, thanks a lot for looking into this for us!

If you need anything, message me any time. If I'm asleep I will see it when I wake up 👍

[noble beacon]

Huh, got this same one again, but this time Ignoring makes it pop up indefinetely

[light palm]

Interesting.. there are a lot of meshes, specifically on that one level which are replaced with the base mesh hidden

i will run a test where I remove only all of the models/meshes overrides and keep only the lights and materials overrides, see how that goes

[fringe tangle]

that could just mean it's hitting the same assert every frame. On a release build you'd never see that

[noble beacon]

I remember at some point we had to specifically use debugoptimised build cause it would allow to ignore the game launch assertion that troubled us back in the day

It wouldn't launch on release

Support Painkiller RTX!
https://www.patreon.com/c/Binq_Adams

The thumbnail is nothing short of a legend

[fringe tangle]

[noble beacon]

Really makes you want to play that mod isn't it

[fringe tangle]

new build to test. I haven't been able to repro the 2nd assert yall found anymore, so maybe the 1st is fixed too

[fringe tangle]

@light palm 👆 FYI

[light palm]

Will test now

[light palm]

could this type of setup be causing issues?

over "RootNode"
{
    over "meshes"
    {
        over "mesh_BBA7D432F230F902" (
            references = None
        )
        {
            def Xform "ref_acf72655f571468a812d3d625d69da5c" (
                prepend references = @./assets/shared/models/mesh_BBA7D432F230F902.usda@
            )
            {
                custom bool IsRemixRef = 1
                double3 xformOp:rotateXYZ = (0, 0, 0)
                double3 xformOp:scale = (1, 1, 1)
                double3 xformOp:translate = (0, 0, 0)
                uniform token[] xformOpOrder = ["xformOp:translate", "xformOp:rotateXYZ", "xformOp:scale"]

                over "XForms"
                {
                    float3 xformOp:rotateXYZ = (0, 0, 0)
                    float3 xformOp:scale = (0.01, 0.01, 0.01)
                    double3 xformOp:translate = (0, 0, 0)
                    uniform token[] xformOpOrder = ["xformOp:translate", "xformOp:rotateXYZ", "xformOp:scale"]
                }
            }

            def SphereLight "SphereLightHealthNormalOrange_HC" (
                prepend apiSchemas = ["ShapingAPI"]
            )
            {
                float3[] extent = [(-250, -250, -250), (250, 250, 250)]
                color3f inputs:color = (1, 0.85, 0.38)
                float inputs:intensity = 100
                float inputs:radius = 5
                float inputs:shaping:cone:angle = 180
                float inputs:shaping:cone:softness
                float inputs:shaping:focus
                color3f inputs:shaping:focusTint
                asset inputs:shaping:ies:file
                double3 xformOp:rotateXYZ = (0, 0, 0)
                double3 xformOp:scale = (1, 1, 1)
                double3 xformOp:translate = (0, 0, 0)
                uniform token[] xformOpOrder = ["xformOp:translate", "xformOp:rotateXYZ", "xformOp:scale"]
            }
        }
    }
}

this is on sphere meshes, which are attached to bones, which are animated

[fringe tangle]

should be fine

I suspected one of the areas that was causing problems was the copy step we do when we identify a similar light that moved, but it turned out that was only for game lights, not replacements.

[light palm]

Ahhh interesting

[fringe tangle]

and the errors you were getting were definitely from replacements, so unrelated

[fringe tangle]

I really want to re-write how our entire draw call / light retention system works, but it'd probably take a long time to make that feature complete 😦

I suspect everyone else has gone home at this point, so not much chance of this being merged before monday. I'm about to sign off myself, but if yall can test that build over the weekend, I can see about getting it merged on Monday morning.

[light palm]

crashed when touching checkpoint

[noble beacon]

You stay where you are
We have a conputer game to fix

[light palm]

At the moment the mod runs without crashes when removing all of the mesh replacements from the usdas

[fringe tangle]

Well of course it does, the changes I made are to... tracking replacements.

I suppose it's good to know that the error is in lights that are parented to meshes, not lights parented to other lights

oh, you posted a crash up above, missed that

[light palm]

True. We're making good progress I think, I'll put the mod back in piece by piece to narrow it down, and see about it when you get back on Monday 👍

[fringe tangle]

That crash was with the latest d3d9 I sent?

[light palm]

Yes

Wait

maybe not

OK actually Yes

[fringe tangle]

got the dump up and working, so lets see if I can figure out what went wrong

[light palm]

4.76 GiB / 128.00 TiB virtual (current process)
Nice, 128 TB memory 😄

[noble beacon]

Your 10GB 3080 has suffered enough

or rather, you have

[light palm]

Certainly putting that card to work

[noble beacon]

An observation
It crashed for me the first time I touched the checkpoint, but it didn't crash on the second try

But it crashed upon touching the following checkpoint

[fringe tangle]

what happens on checkpoints? unload an old section of the map and draw a new section?

[noble beacon]

We render the whole level every frame

[light palm]

Effectively just saves the game

[noble beacon]

checkpoint is also an action used for some gameplay features, like spawning enemies

[light palm]

Gamesave does something like this:

[noble beacon]

most probably unrelated

[light palm]

AFAIK generally checkpoints arent used like that, but I have not checked all of them. It's usually a trigger box after the checkpoint that starts the monster spawns

TLDR: (One sec)

[fringe tangle]

ah, so hitting a checkpoint starts spawning in the monsters, which have all those replacement lights attached?

[light palm]

I don't think so, I will check

[noble beacon]

No, I don't think so

I do believe it is possible to make it behave like a trigger for gameplay, but it's not usually used like that

[light palm]

The checkpoint itself does disappear however, and there is a mesh attached to a bone on the animated checkpoint, and there is a light attached to that mesh. The mesh is attached through game logic, not remix. The light is attached to the mesh through usdas

[fringe tangle]

try this one out

[light palm]

On it

[noble beacon]

Crashed on the checkpoint

It also seems to be not universal for every checkpoint 😦

[light palm]

Crashed on checkpoint

[noble beacon]

This time I tried the one I didn't touch before and it did not crash, but then I touched the other one and it crashed

[fringe tangle]

Damn 😦 I'm gonna have to get back to this on Monday then.

[noble beacon]

Another six "see ya monday" messages and we'll get there

[fringe tangle]

I need to get started on dinner now, unfortunately

so no more debugging today.

[noble beacon]

Ahhh yeah,

"L*fe"

the word that every man is afraid of

[light palm]

Thanks for your help mister! Have a good weekend!

[noble beacon]

Saving our asses from disqualification here lol

[light palm]

(For Later)
Assert rtx_lights.cpp line 1052

"Expression: false"

Assert rtx_lights.cpp line 1052 was when looking at the checkpoint light with Light Statistics> Enable Debug Visualization turned on

---

New assertion, just before the checkpoint, had not hit it yet:
.trex\d3d9.dll
File: rtx_types.cpp
Line: 117
Expression: m_replacementIndex == replacementIndex && "single prim is being set to multiple replacement indices."

[noble beacon]

Can you do something to the checkpoint light?

Like do random things with it

[light palm]

I can give it a top hat and a cane, if you like 🙂

[noble beacon]

Sometimes you just need to press random buttons to fix the issue

reimplement the light

make it green

To conclude, this is the best iteration so far
#1313627595815911448 message

I can actually play the game enough to record some proper SSS footage

It crashed on Release

Not the checkpoint (they work in the first version of d3d9.dll), those other asserts I suspect

[light palm]

Crash when about to pick up a "green soul" which is another skeletal animated object with a mesh attached to a bone through the base game, and a light attached to that mesh

[noble beacon]

I've had that too, but only once

[light palm]

For future reference
[14:24:23.225] warn: [RTX] CameraManager: FOV of a camera changed between frames
Installation: no custom game files except for engine.dll. Full remix mod.
Crashed while shooting chaingun.
dxvk release Build 870 (fec440c) (non-custom directly from actions)

[fringe tangle]

ah, it's actually hitting one of the asserts I added to try and find the source of the problem so that's actually a good point for me to start debugging from.

[fringe tangle]

Does that mean the subsequent posts you've made were on painkillerTest.zip, or on the latest painkillerTest3.zip?

[light palm]

i did a bit more testing, I get crashes when I have nothing but these layers>
It's probably only one of them, but I didn't narrow down further

[noble beacon]

Every Binq's message is on the gh action build I believe

[light palm]

I was testing on just the standard 870 build

i will do a test now with just those layers on PainkillerTest3.zip

[fringe tangle]

well, this message is definitely not 870, that's an assert I added for tryin to track down these issues.

[light palm]

Ahh yes. I believe thos post was using 870 #1313627595815911448 message

this*

[fringe tangle]

okay, so the dumps you posted are 870, but the assert was from my test build. I've already fixed at least some errors in 870, so dumps from that aren't really useful in knowing whether my fixes are actually fully fixing your use case

[light palm]

Alright I will test with only PainkillerTest3.zip 👍

[fringe tangle]

thanks.

[light palm]

I have a sneaking suspicion (unconfirmed) that the crashes basically seem to only occur when there are >1 of the the floating green souls in the game world

ill test with just that layer

[fringe tangle]

BTW - after the assert you posted about, did it crash, or just continue playing?

[light palm]

No i don't believe so

I could continue

It may have crashed later. I think it's best if I just get you clear well labelled data

[noble beacon]

I've been getting crashes in Atrium start room, so no

[light palm]

on 870 or Test3.zip

I am using bridge etc from 870 and placing Test3 d3d9.dll into .trex, overwriting (From now on at least)

[fringe tangle]

⬆️ please be clear about which version of Remix you're seeing crashes on when posting about it. painkillerTest3.zip has already fixed crashes that I could repro 100% on 870.

[noble beacon]

I'll test again to make sure

[kindred haven]

Does this technically count as cheating since nvidia devs are helping with a competition project? /hj

[light palm]

Test3.zip
Crashed the instant I fired the shotgun icebullet, which is an effect where I have modified the base game to spawn a tiny anchormesh to a particle effect.
I have attached a light to that anchor mesh.

I believe it might be this light:

    over "mesh_203F4824544DAF67"
    {
        def SphereLight "BlueSphereLightMegahealth_HC" (
            prepend apiSchemas = ["ShapingAPI"]
        )
        {
            float3[] extent = [(-5, -5, -5), (5, 5, 5)]
            color3f inputs:color = (0, 0.04, 1)
            float inputs:intensity = 100
            float inputs:radius = 0.05
            float inputs:shaping:cone:angle = 180
            float inputs:shaping:cone:softness
            float inputs:shaping:focus
            color3f inputs:shaping:focusTint
            asset inputs:shaping:ies:file
            double3 xformOp:rotateXYZ = (0, 0, 0)
            double3 xformOp:scale = (1, 1, 1)
            double3 xformOp:translate = (0, 0, 0)
            uniform token[] xformOpOrder = ["xformOp:translate", "xformOp:rotateXYZ", "xformOp:scale"]
        }
    }

[fringe tangle]

I'm fixing a regression I caused, painkiller is just the best repro.

[light palm]

It's not just us getting these crashes I believe, so should help remix in general

[fringe tangle]

ah, so it is affecting other games too? do you know which projects?

[kindred haven]

Epic

[light palm]

Not sure which other projects, I have a vague recollection of a response to a post in general where someone mentioned they had the same issue

I will try to find it

[fringe tangle]

this dump just let me find a definite error in the code, so I'll have a new test build up shortly.

[light palm]

#general-remix message

[fringe tangle]

(may be one of the classic cases of 1 character being wrong - a == where I needed a !=)

[light palm]

hey at least it's not a race condition 😄

but maybe the issue where once in a blue moon, an attempt would be made to load a replacement texture where some characters at the end of the filename are different 😄

[light palm]

testing underway

[fringe tangle]

@grim tapir FYI - we're trying to debug the crash you mentioned getting in this post:
#general-remix message

painkillerTest4.zip above contains a build of d3d9.dll (to be placed inside the .trex folder) that may fix the crashes. I'd be grateful if you could test it with your project and see if you're still seeing crashes.

[light palm]

Test4.zip

Crashed when I clicked to enable visualisation of the debug lights, as i felt perhaps the lights were no longer showing on the shotgun icebullet.
Further testing underway

[light palm]

actually the light doesnt look like it is there on Test3 and I believe i removed that layer, so ignore this icebullet speculation

[fringe tangle]

hmm, I think that the debug light visualizer has some kind of threading related crash, and that's certainly what the call stack points to. Trying to access the lights on the UI thread, while that light may be deleted on the main thread.

may as well toss a mutex in there to make those threadsafe, but unrelated to the crashes we've been trying to track down. Has it been stable otherwise?

[light palm]

Seems more stable so far

[noble beacon]

Checkpoints are no longer crashing and I can't trigger any asserts yet

[noble beacon]

You do this
PKWEAPONS
PCMEGAAMMO
PCMEGARELOADSPEEDFACTOR
And spam stakes with a stakegun and boltgun

It seems that that way i've been able to trigger assertions more consistently

Nothing on Test 4 yet

But don't spam too much, it'll crash the game itself

[light palm]

So far so good, one level complete without issues

[fringe tangle]

I'll go ahead and start the process of getting this reviewed and merged then.

please ping me if yall hit another crash or see an assert

[light palm]

Seems good so far, thanks for your help kind sir

[grim tapir]

Will do, after I'm back home from work 😭

[fringe tangle]

ah, it's probably going to get merged to main sometime today, so may not be needed.

[grim tapir]

Ok sorry lol😬

[fringe tangle]

no worries, the painKiller team has had a pretty consistent repro

[noble beacon]

So I managed to trigger this one a few times on Test4 with some heavy artillery (excessive grenade spamming using cheats), but it did not crash and let me ignore it

Repro is not consistent, it may trigger right as you start holding the button, and at other times it's all good until the end of the level

[noble beacon]

So I triggered it again and crashed it on purpose (hitting Retry) to generate a dump. Not sure how useful it is hehe

[fringe tangle]

yeah, I think that one is fine, and probably not related to my changes.

[fringe tangle]

found a bug with painkillerTest4 when I was trying to submit it. If y'all have time, it'd be nice to have verification that this build still fixes painkiller, since it's what I plan to actually merge

[noble beacon]

What kind of bug if I may ask?
Binq should appear soon to do more tests, it's 3:04 AM for me

[fringe tangle]

one of our tests had two separate draw calls that both contained the same replacement mesh at exactly the same transform, which confused the tracking logic. The 1st draw call was being kept around by anti culling

[noble beacon]

That sounds particularly interesting because we don't use Remix anti culling measures

[fringe tangle]

two live draw calls doing the same thing would have caused the same error

but games are generally pretty good about only drawing a given object once on a given frame, so that'd be a rare case.

[noble beacon]

@light palm Australia do you copy

[fringe tangle]

probably too late to get it reviewed today, so I'll aim to get it merged tomorrow

[noble beacon]

Okay then,

Huge thanks for spending so much time on this, we can't express the gratitude enough

[fringe tangle]

I broke main, so I need to fix main.

Big thanks to yall for being QA for me!

[light palm]

I've been using this one for a while now, some asserts here and there, much more stable than 870

[north kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/spincat-gif-4620048645392468202

[noble beacon]

@light palm
ACHTUNG!!!
Test5 crashes on checkpoint

I just tried it myself for the first time

100% consistent

[vale gust]

the "need to fix it 3 days before release" PTSD kicking in

[fringe tangle]

damnit... I clicked merge literally 1 minute before I saw this message 😦

[noble beacon]

Huge luck

Well at least it's easy to reproduce

that's what makes a good commit

[vale gust]

GGGGGGGGGAMES\PainkillerBlackCOMPETITION

[noble beacon]

You will never mention this again in my hearing

[fringe tangle]

that checkpoint worked on 4 but not 5?

[noble beacon]

Correct

Mr. Adams I suggest that perhaps you should begin wrapping up the foockery around alpha blending and whatnot and start on packaging and testing the overall end result

2 days left to actually play the game and discover all the deadliest bugs

wrapping up the foockery around alpha blending and whatnot
😭

[fringe tangle]

Can you actually retest this on this action build once it finishes?
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/actions/runs/16304793961

The callstack in your dump points at a function I deleted, which makes me think I messed up in creating painkillerTest5.

[noble beacon]

No checkpoint crash here!

Testing further

[fringe tangle]

okay. I must have just compiled old code or something when I made painkillerTest5. phew.

[noble beacon]

I checked and the size of all the painkillerTest files you sent is different

If it matters

[fringe tangle]

yeah, size will change every time I recompile. I think I just compiled the wrong branch or something

I'm juggling a lot of different stuff atm

[noble beacon]

Crashed when spamming grenades with no dump generated

I tested on Release so there was no assertions

It's that situation where I would expect an assertion to appear on debugoptimised

Could it be that Remix doesn't ignore some asserts and just crashes?

I mean there was a reason why we used debugoptimised to ignore the game launch assertion back in the day, it just wouldn't launch on Release

Should I get a dump? How do I make sure that it genererates, cause it's a pain to reproduce it. It might not even be related to the grenades spam really, as that is the only way I've been testing 😄

[fringe tangle]

Which assert were you seeing? I suspect that crash isn't a regression caused by my MR

the rtLight direction one?

[noble beacon]

#1313627595815911448 message

[fringe tangle]

yeah, pretty sure that's unrelated to my changes

and those types of asserts are warnings for when the data is in some unexpected state - which often means memory corruption of some form or another, which can easily result in a crash later.

[light palm]

v0.1.7 Released!
https://www.moddb.com/mods/painkiller-rtx-remix

[north kiln]

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[north kiln]

whao the numbers of files

https://tenor.com/view/drink-spit-funny-gif-27549519

[north kiln]

https://youtu.be/cwyWurq5NyY?si=UOobCrKV72oHKy6s

[tall iron]

I just tried to play the first level, "Cemetery", and the flashlight doesn't work! also I cannot open the alt-x menu in-game, it only works when you are on the game's own main menu

[north kiln]

https://youtu.be/vRQPEjqIySw?si=Xnjba4WwixKnXPFs

[noble beacon]

Go to Bin/.trex/bridge.conf and set client.DirectInput.disableExclusiveInput value to True

Don't forget to delete the "#" symbol in the beginning of the line to uncomment it

That way Alt+X menu should always work

Not sure about the flashlight, have you tried both F and L keys?

We rebinded it at some point I think

[tall iron]

I can hear the switch sound of the flashlight when I press the F key which it is bound to according to the game menu

[noble beacon]

Huh, something's wrong then
Does it work on other levels like Atrium?

What version of the mod you are running? Base ModDB file and assets from gdrive must match. There is a possibility that flashlight might break if you apply 017.1 fix without redownloading the assets

[tall iron]

i literally deleted everything in the game folder under Steam, made Steam reinstall the game, applied the 1.66 patch, then unzipped he contents of PainkillerRTXv017.7z and PKRTX_Assets_v017.7z into the game directory

[noble beacon]

Don't apply any third party patches or mods

@north kiln does flashlight work for you? You're running v017 I suppose

[tall iron]

i opened up Atrium Plaza and this is what i see

[noble beacon]

What if you press O key?

[tall iron]

wait im reinstalling the game now, to try without the 1.66 patch

[noble beacon]

This is very weird cause it looks like the game is using the original unpatched Engine.dll with culling enabled

It should work if I send you the patched Engine.dll (it should be included with the mod though)

Perhaps we put the wrong file in (?)

[tall iron]

I saw this screen space culling effect when I was playing the Hell level on 0.16 RTX Remix with 1.66 Painkiller

Now I am reinstalling Painkiller and RTX Remix

btw what is 'PKRTX_Assets_v0171Hotfix_Part3.7z' ?

[noble beacon]

If only I knew

Binq Adams shenanigans

We're struggling a lot to properly upload the assets for people to download

It always fucks up somehow

PainkillerRTXv017.7z and PKRTX_Assets_v017.7z should work

[tall iron]

ok I'm unzipping them now

i've never seen my CPU usage to up so high while unzipping before... its huuuge

[noble beacon]

You're not unzipping the .pkg files I suppose?

[tall iron]

no just the .7z files into the game directory

[noble beacon]

Google Drive splitting a large file into many archives is a mess

[tall iron]

looks like it all works now, the 1.66 patch was the culprit

[noble beacon]

Yeah, we have some very specific fixes to make the game do what we need it to do

Third party patches are not welcome

[tall iron]

btw , in the Developer Settings menu, under Lighting -> Indirect Illumination -> Neural Radiance Cache , uncheck 'Include Direct Lighting' ... it makes the bounce lighting from the flashlight more responsive

[north kiln]

yes with 017 the flashlight work

[tall iron]

whose idea was it to turn the flashlight into a pentagram?

[noble beacon]

Not mine😅

Was surprised when I saw this as well

[tall iron]

also is there a console command for increasing the range, brightness, angle, etc etc of the flashlight

increasing the angle would be kind of helpful since i play with a wider FOV

[noble beacon]

There's no console command, but you can tweak it in Bin/rtx-remix/mods/PKRTX/PKRTX_Shared_Flashlight_Pentagram.usda

[tall iron]

okay there is 'flashlight' and there is 'flashlight_pentagram' ... is there a way to switch between the two?

[noble beacon]

Just rename or delete PKRTX_Shared_Flashlight_Pentagram.usda

[tall iron]

Shared_Flashlight_Pentagram.usda😳 you are basically livecoding the shape of the pentagram , like a visual artist or something

[noble beacon]

Binq Adams' work

[tall iron]

now if this .usda format allows variables ... for example, float inputs:shaping:cone:angle = 2.5 * variable

and if we can assign the variable into something we can control from within in-game

[north kiln]

they freak me out everytime

[tall iron]

btw the original Orphanage level had a special 'flame torch' light effect on the player... I was hoping that it would be recreated in RTX Remix, instead of having it get replaced by the standard flashlight

[noble beacon]

It's super easy to implement @light palm

[tall iron]

and one more thing... this might not be RTX related but can you mod the player's jump height in Painkiller, or change the movement logic in some way... so that the secrets are easier to get

[north kiln]

i think it's touch the source code of the game itself. rtx remix is mostly here to injected things the engine of a game can't do like realtime path tracing pbr materials or high poly geometry assets

[tall iron]

when I was playing vanilla Painkiller with Randomguy7's fix compilation, I could grab all the secrets without too much trouble

[tall iron]

are the paramaters for the player movement accessible via modding? like not RTX remix, but just plain modding

like I saw mods for custom levels, game modes, etc etc ... surely theres a way to just make the player jump a bit higher in the original levels

[north kiln]

after i don't really know the tool . i'm work at unity and blender and i have a bit learn unreal 2 and 5 i must learn how to use well the tool if i really want participate to the dev

[tall iron]

yeah hopefully we can address this, because the player movement logic is fps-dependent, so if there is a mod to compensate for that, it would be great

for example this secret ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q2LEBQf6yU&list=PL6E0D3AAC8AA1ECA4&t=37 ... it took me so many times to jump into that damned hole

[noble beacon]

It is absolutely possible to change movement via LUA scripts

There's a SetPlayerSpeed function in CPlayer.lua that affects horizontal/vertical speed (?)

In any case there's a console command PCCustomJumpFactor that changes jump height so yeah it is possible

[tall iron]

wow so i'm at the Atrium Complex level and it looks really modern

really heavy on the FPS too... I had to turn the preset down from Ultra to High

the reason i put it on Ultra preset is because in the Town level, the flames don't give out so much light unless its on Ultra

[noble beacon]

I'm not sure if it's tested properly on any preset other than Ultra

[light palm]

sounds like you are not using the custom engine.dll and / or .conf files and / or .lua files 😛

[noble beacon]

It was unofficial 1.66 patch

[light palm]

just delete flashlight pentagram file if you want to remove pentagram

[light palm]

it is easy to implement, yes! let me know once it's done 😛

[noble beacon]

[light palm]

love your work carmatic and mora keep it up mates, wicked good feedback!

i am so close to a volume culling patch

on revision (let me actually count these)
56

jump offsets are slashing my hips

[light palm]

we could literally just copy the moving flame logic from atrium remixflame lua

just for context

[noble beacon]

9 conversational tricks to make people call human resources

You fixed the pile of shite

I skipped a tear

i will miss it

[light palm]

McG might have fixed it 😛

[noble beacon]

🤯

[light palm]

yank train

[light palm]

lmfao

[light palm]

we can definitely turn those up quite easily in the toolkit
so many tweaks which would be nice to make, at the moment personally im focusing on the engine optimisation, not much time for tweaks on my end!

the 0.1.7.1 patchfix assets> 2 of 3 have successfully uploaded after about a week of attempts

in theory the 3rd and final assets file should be uploaded in a few hours

[north kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/seelmaru-gif-27016060

[light palm]

im glad you noticed that, i have added little improvements in different places 🙂

[noble beacon]

That's ripper ay a gold hat cool cat

🕯️

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[north kiln]

and i have just finish the level and i love the visual improvements on lights and textures!

[pallid saffron]

we can use Black Edition right?

[noble beacon]

Yeah

[light palm]

0.1.7.1 should finally be uploaded
https://www.moddb.com/mods/painkiller-rtx-remix/downloads/painkiller-rtx-remix-v0171

[pallid saffron]

can we hide the Work in progress?

[noble beacon]

I downloaded PKRTX_Assets_v0171 today, which was a loose folder

Is this the same as 3 hotfixes?

[light palm]

yep

[light palm]

yes

put that in Painkiller/Data/LScripts/Main

[noble beacon]

I don't see this in the repo

[noble beacon]

That's weird

GitHub code search does not seem to index everything?

[light palm]

not sure

[noble beacon]

I'd like it to index everything

[pallid saffron]

what do you use to unpak and repak?

or i can just drop as loose file

[light palm]

you can just drop as loose file

pack and unpack was done using dev tool script i put on the github

you technically only need to unpack and then repack if you want to remove files

loose files will override those in the paks

[noble beacon]

The first file is not in UTF-8, that's why it's not getting indexed

the second file is

[pallid saffron]

ok thanks

another question, anyone had luck having surround sound work?

[light palm]

yep

https://github.com/kcat/dsoal/releases

sounds amazing with proper hrtf

[pallid saffron]

nice, thanks again 🙂

how are your 1%low? with a 13700K and 5090 i have to admit it doesn't feel very smooth ^^'

[noble beacon]

The game suffers a lot from the CPU bottleneck caused by the disabled culling, so there's that

[pallid saffron]

which 3d sound provider do you recommend

[noble beacon]

Binq currently works on a clever culling algorithm to eliminate CPU performance issues

Use FrameGen to smooth out the motion, it helps a lot

[pallid saffron]

yeah im trying framegen, although it doest feel very stable in rtx remix games, artifacts and camera "stutter" wise. especially with a Controller analog camera, with a mouse ... its not that visible. E.g. in Portal RTX impossible to have a smooth camera that doesnt jitter whatever the options / framerate

(yes I play PK with a controller, please dont pin me to a wall)

[noble beacon]

Thanks for lifting the pressure off me
I was having a huge stutter trying to comprehend what does Controller analog camera have to do with anything

🕯️

yeah on mouse it's a flawless experience mostly

[pallid saffron]

im also having a doubt Gsync is working on my remix games

[tall iron]

install Alchemy Universal, and add Painkil

[tall iron]

if your monitor supports gsync/freesync, it will almost certainly have a built in FPS counter , that is how I know gsync is working for me... Also there is much less mouse lag when gsync is on
variable refresh rate is basically a must with frame generation, since it doesn't support vsync and also input latency at these low base frame rates is quite considerable

I get that its quite an impressive effect to have the shadows from the skylight ... but maybe our technology is not quite ready for it to be 100% brute force raytraced yet, its really not playing well with DLSS and it only looks correct when DLSS is set to full resolution

[pallid saffron]

I installed what Adam recommended and it works with EAX. Just there is multiple 3D sound providers and I wonder which is best (eg DirectSound3D, Dolby Surround etc)

[tall iron]

I've been sticking with EAX since its the whole package... reverb, 3d sound, attenuation, etc etc

[pallid saffron]

So the 3D sound providers is irrelevant if EAX is checked?

[tall iron]

no there is a specific EAX 3.0 sound provider

[pallid saffron]

Oh … ok I’ll recheck tomorrow

[tall iron]

you should get a 'Direct Sound 3D Hardware' provider in the list, if it is working correctly

in order for Creative Alchemy to work you also first need to install OpenAL Soft

and when you are setting up OpenAL Soft, if you use headphones there is also the step of finding the correct HRTF for yourself https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Glossary:Surround_sound#OpenAL

[noble beacon]

@vale gust fancy role you got ay

[tall iron]

so let me tell you what just happened... Loaded up Catacombs, tried to get the first secret by jumping on the walls... touched the explosive crate just the wrong way, and it blew up and killed me

i think the alterations you did to the game engine to make RTX Remix work is also screwing with the player movement and physics

[noble beacon]

That's like absolutely normal PK experience

Stuff explodes all the time when you touch it

[tall iron]

when i was playing with Random7's fix compilation, the experience was much more consistent, maybe it was because it was running at a locked 144fps

[noble beacon]

Exploding stuff when you collide with it is an absolute classic

[tall iron]

now RTX remix makes it run at a more varying frame rate so i guess if the physics is FPS dependent, then it gets janky

but i think what is more important is that when i tried to reload the game after dying, the game crashed

[noble beacon]

You can turn off raytracing in the Alt+X menu and lock the framerate and see how it goes

Should be as usual

[noble beacon]

[tall iron]

oh yeah that definitely did it, now it behaves much more like vanilla Painkiller and I could grab that secret so much more easily

[noble beacon]

well you have it then

5090 is too weak

[tall iron]

i have a 4080

and i think that a more 'hybrid' approach is the way to go....

[kindred haven]

What would be more powerful in this case

[tall iron]

like the raytracing works great for reflections, bounce lighting and shadows , most of the time... but i think theres definitely an art to making it all run efficiently

[noble beacon]

faith

[tall iron]

i remember the old school video games, when 3d accelerators were first becoming a thing... every level had a different set of optimizations, sometimes every room has a different hack to make the game run smoothly and look right

[noble beacon]

I also remember the old school video games and they all ran disasterously

[tall iron]

but i guess it was easy to do things back then when the polygon counts were in the dozens, not thousands

[noble beacon]

60FPS mode in all games on current gen consoles is an unprecedented occurrence

games never ran so good as today

think bout it

What we do with Remix tho is a bit different

[tall iron]

yes theres progress but

[noble beacon]

it's a state of the art tech

[tall iron]

we can't forget the artform of optimization

[noble beacon]

Ray tracing is an optimization itself

That's why it was introduced in the first place

[tall iron]

i think its not the solution to everything

[noble beacon]

Wdym?

[tall iron]

its a brute force approach

[noble beacon]

On the contrary

It's a clever approach

Rasterization is a brute force approach

If you pay attention to PC games you'll notice that performance cost of RT is overestimated

Some usual Ultra settings cost a lot more than turning on hardware RT

[tall iron]

then why do we need things like upscaling and frame generation

clearly its not 60fps anymore

things like shadows and some simple reflections can be done with shaders, for a fraction of the cost of raytracing

[noble beacon]

Why do you think we've been lowering resolution all those years before? To gain performance

Upscaling is just a better way

You're not simply lowering your resolution, you make it look good still

[tall iron]

you wouldnt need upscaling if you dont use raytracing

[noble beacon]

And FrameGen is an amazing tool to make use of high refresh rate panels in AAA games

[tall iron]

the game would be able to hit the native refresh rate of the monitor, if it didnt have to do raytracing

[noble beacon]

So what's the point of advancing hardware wise if we stop improving the graphics

[noble beacon]

Why do you need native resolution without RT

[tall iron]

to do things which are impossible to do before

[noble beacon]

DLSS looks just as good and better thanks to the amazing DLAA

[noble beacon]

You mean pathtracing a 3D scene in real time

[tall iron]

things like soft shadows, bounce lighting, global illumination stuff

[noble beacon]

That's what we do

[tall iron]

i think it doesnt need to be 100% raytraced, when some older methods will suffice

because right now the situation is "5090 is too weak"

[noble beacon]

For how long? Where's the line?

And games are not 100% raytraced rn

As I said Remix is a different subject

Some people asked for implementing raster renderer techniques in Remix before and I think they kinda missing the point

[tall iron]

if the goal is to showcase raytracing.... then it should be done in an efficient, optimized and presentable way

but as far as i can see, a game made from the ground up , it will be about making a good game, not about showcasing raytracing...

[noble beacon]

All the real performance issues is due to the original game's engine limitations, it's not coping well with completely disabled culling

[tall iron]

for example in here, we are supposed to see the shadow of the skylight , but its only visible at full resolution, and DLSS doesn't know how to reconstruct the shadow effect

[noble beacon]

Well temporal instability

Usual thing

[tall iron]

if this had been using something like a shader effect or a lightmap or something, DLSS would have coped much better with it

[noble beacon]

It only gets better

[tall iron]

like, is there some trick you can do with that shadow specifically , to get it to look right with DLSS?

[noble beacon]

Tweak volumetrics, tweak the light

Make volumetrics less pronounced

Reduce the lights' volumetrics contribution

[tall iron]

is there native support in RTX Remix for 'sunlight' ... a point light source infinitely far away and all the light rays are parallel

[noble beacon]

#1395491293504868443 message

[tall iron]

i saw in the tooltips in the RTX Remix app, that point light sources are handled much more efficiently than area lights

[tall iron]

i guess if you have to use a sphere light with a high intensity to do that effect, the answer is no... there is no native support for 'sunlight' ...

i use Blender and you can add a light and set it to be a point light source, a cone , an area light, or a sun light

[noble beacon]

#general-remix message

[tall iron]

the volumetrics might look okay in this case, but the shadow quality is compromised

[noble beacon]

It allows tweaking, but I'm not knowledgeable enough on the subject to tell what's physically correct

[tall iron]

in Blender, setting a light to be a sunlight causes the light calculations and sampling to be optimized for, well, sunlight... parallel rays of light which do not decrease with intensity over distance

the shadow effects look much better with sun shadows than with a bright light pretending to be a sun

[noble beacon]

Just remember that we're pathtracing in real time here so temporal instability is expected

[tall iron]

yes, thats why the correct optimization is even more important

[noble beacon]

What kind of optimization?

[tall iron]

like when all the rays from the sun are parallel, the raytracing should be able to be simplified , i think

not a mathematician myself but i've used Blender for a long time and it seems to work that way

[noble beacon]

Individual light sources don't even have any noticeable performance impact

Like if you delete the sun altogether I doubt there would be a huge difference

[tall iron]

its not about performance, its about getting the shadow to look right

i mean it looks right when its rendered at full resolution, but most of the time DLSS will be on

[noble beacon]

Shadow looks like that first of all because of the heavy volumetrics

There's not enough information

[tall iron]

that sounds like something that a different optimization approach might be able to fix

like, having a true 'sunlight' type of light source, parallel rays with no falloff

much simpler calculations, i'd assume... you have a sunlight with a certain direction... any surface with a normal which is within 90 degrees of the sunlight direction, sends a ray in the sunlight direction, it will either hit something which means no sunlight, or it hits nothing which means sunlight

[noble beacon]

You have had an experience in Blender have you

We might need an artist, just sayin'

[tall iron]

huh, there are many other people who have much more Blender experience than me

i just know some basics of pathtracing

like for example to simulate the sun having a certain radius, the angle of each ray is randomized by a certain amount... this would introduce noise but its nothing that the denoiser can't usually deal with

[noble beacon]

I think it's configurable in Radius and Shaping

[tall iron]

yes but im talking about a true 'sun' light source, with rays which trace to infinity, not to a specific point in 3d space

these rays are going to produce much less noise for the same performance than a light source within the 3d space

[noble beacon]

Btw there is a different denoiser preset in Remix

The default is truthful_shrimp which is considered more performant and universal I think?

you can enable diamond_lullaby that might improve the image in some cases

It's in the Alt+X denoiser settings

[tall iron]

oh let me check it out... where in the Remix UI can I find it?

[noble beacon]

"Enable preset D" or something like that