Painkiller

[light palm]

Depends, did you abandon it? 😛

i wonder if we can get some peeps to help with textures and assets somehow

or just solo this boss

estimated completion date 1st april 3025

bloody painkiller devs using unique textures for everything 😄

@noble beacon I'm afraid you need to redo castle, found more reference material!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyF88axPoOw

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/bedzin-castle-9409c13f0b3e4f57bdcb79ff0c83286e

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/bedzin-castle-56e686719e114d3fb78e88d722b9d5b7

[vale gust]

respect to the guy who made the Painkiller castle in real life

[light palm]

hehehe dedication!

Asylum C2L3

This level is based on The Danvers State Hospital - abandoned psychiatric hospital.

C2L2 Opera (Part 2)

The last segment on this level was based on the foyer of The Palais Garnier at the Place de l'Opéra in the 9th arrondissement of Paris, France.

a lot of architects seem to have used painkiller for inspiration

C1L4 Cathedral

The whole level is based on Rouen Cathedral (Cathédrale primatiale Notre-Dame de l'Assomption de Rouen) in Rouen, Normandy, France.

Catacombs C1L3

Part of the Catacombs level is modeled on the Catacomb of Calllixtus Complex.

The Palace C4L2

This level is based on two locations - Hagia Sophia in Istanbul and the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem.

City On Water C5L1

This level is based on most famous landmarks from Venice such as Basilica of St. Mark, The Rialto Bridge and Doge's Palace.

Opera C2L2 (Part 1)

This level is modeled on the basis of the inside of the building of the Vienna State Opera.

Prison C2L1

This level is based on Alcatraz Federal Penitentiary.

https://steamcommunity.com/id/mrdeinos/images/

[odd thicket]

@light palm it’s weird how my Painkiller RTX video is one of my better performing ones 😭

[noble beacon]

So am I to visit all these places and make a lot of photos

Completely scrapped Obliterated

Ban for any mention of Painkiller RTX

[noble beacon]

That's the way. You always have to assume it's gonna be a solo work

@vale gust any VIP level requests?

[vale gust]

@noble beacon Town

[noble beacon]

yes sir

I hate these fucking customs

[light palm]

BIG MAD

[vale gust]

There should be smoke clouds from all the fire that is going on

[noble beacon]

Niiiice, really cool materials!

[noble beacon]

[light palm]

oooh niice man

enhances the creepy feeling i reckon

[noble beacon]

Done.

[vale gust]

hold on mister

what's this

[noble beacon]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/753#issuecomment-2739473744

[light palm]

give that issue on github a thumbs up to move it up the queue

[light palm]

oh shit u been cookin

lookin good 😎

[robust hollow]

if you disable the normals under the shader section in Parameter tuning, does it look any better by chance?

[light palm]

nope

kim pls fix

[robust hollow]

in games that render terrain with vertex shaders, the normals information is actually corrupted. so we have to turn it off and do the manual import like you did

#1106553248590090351 message

looks pretty bad lol

[robust hollow]

i wish

[light palm]

minecraft 😄

[noble beacon]

Default/Reexported mesh

Looks fine I think

Takes a lot of space tho

[light palm]

bit better yeah. sucks to have to package the meshes with the mod though, increases the size by some gigabytes

maybe i should modify this script so that the smoothing angle is configurable and its more user friendly

or just implement a solution into remix and do a pr

or make kim do it

[noble beacon]

that would be a king move

[noble beacon]

even better

[light palm]

or make david make kim do it

5D lazyness

[noble beacon]

Make them all

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCYVb2grQUrCyKmTcpMCLQErkhRqIDbB?usp=sharing

@light palm TOWN

[light palm]

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

nice man thank you!

[light palm]

tbh i would love to but i got many assignments to complete 😬

i have a PHd in excuses

[noble beacon]

@vale gust You should ask if the project is abandoned more often.
That way I'll do more levels and Adams will fix mesh normals despite the assignments

[robust hollow]

yep. did this for Barnyard with tadpole's help, worked pretty nicely

if you develop a system somehow to automate generating the normals i'd love to have it lol

[light palm]

u used the script yea?

[robust hollow]

i didn't see a script anywhere, guess i missed it?

[light palm]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/753#issuecomment-2739473744

its a bit clunky to use at the moment but

it works

pxr module doesn't like newer python versions so I just use an enviroment via miniconda

[odd thicket]

You alreadly know what I'm going to say

https://tenor.com/view/steam-valve-logo-video-games-digital-distribution-gif-18279073

[noble beacon]

If you're planning on pushing an update, hang on

I got a week or two off so I can grind this project

just tell me what levels are needed most

Also, did we just forget about This?

Would be another step to a more user friendly experience instead of "bruh ping us in discord if your stupud 31:9 display doesn't have a hud fix "

[vale gust]

you gonna use a David token for that?

[noble beacon]

I don't suppose there are any other uses for it yet

Hmmm

Perhaps you could look into why is it performing like total garbage in Docks

With GPU utiliziation under 80%

I'll test if it's also underperforming in vanilla without the Remix tomorrow

[light palm]

SSS

[vale gust]

Schustzstaffel Soldiers?

[light palm]

is that like a stroopvaffel or

chicken schnitzel?

[vale gust]

You're asking the guy with RTX 2060, for me all underperform

[noble beacon]

So uh, it seems like I'm into something. The issue is, Painkiller becomes very CPU limited when using Remix even with Raytracing disabled.
Original game/Remix with RT disabled

I think it is because Painkiller maxes out 2 physical cores (in this case, CPU3 and CPU5 in RTSS overlay, or CPU2 and CPU4 in Task Manager)
So, setting the affinity for painkiller.exe and Bridgeremix via Task Manager so that Bridge won't be using the maxed out threads gives quite a handful of frames

All threads for both/Configured affinity

Full benchmark with RT enabled
GPU utiliziation is higher throughout the vid
https://youtu.be/tiJBjDRWF2M

I know nothing about multithreading and stuff, but if you do @vale gust, you could take a look
Disable RT in the Alt+X menu and see what else you can do to improve CPU performance

Pay close attention to Docks specifically, something is really wrong there

Are there any debug tools that show what exactly takes those ms of CPU time?

[light palm]

disabling culling destroys the original renderer's fps. in some cases fps is lower without remix

actually its not even disabling culling that doesd it

just a clean painkiller install running with hwclass tnl is sub 60 fps

shouldnt matter for remix though

[noble beacon]

There's something more to it than disabled culling

[light palm]

try a clean install with the shortcut flag +hwclass tnl

[noble beacon]

It's around 350 FPS for me in Cemetery with disabled culling without Remix

And 130 with Remix

with disabled RT ofc

[light palm]

+hwclass tnl does basically the same thing as vulcan shadermodel 0

which is required for remix atm

[light palm]

that's quite a nice find

[noble beacon]

Yeah
So if anyone actually knows how to use a PC, that might be a direction for research

[light palm]

apples to apples test you would have to run a clean pk install with hwclass tnl
vs a remix install (maybe with rt off)

i just tested it

clean install with hwclass TnL

20fps in cemetery

[noble beacon]

With the original Dlls?

[light palm]

yep

totally clean install nothing changed at all other than hwclass tnl

[noble beacon]

What if you put Engine.dll and D3Dev.dll from the modded game there

[light palm]

same 20fps

another way to test it is to put vanilla dxvk into a clean install and turn on shadermodel 0

i think its faster that way

[noble beacon]

Yeah 20 fps with hwclass TnL

[light palm]

i just tested dxvk shadermodel 0 and it was 300fps

so i guess the fixed fuction mode shouldnt be the problem as we arent using the hwclass tnl
we using the dxvk shadermodel 0
and perofrmance seems fine there

whats your fps in docks with remix installed but RT turned off

[noble beacon]

Actually d3d9.shaderModel = 0 does have a performance hit

Vanilla DXVK

[noble beacon]

Quite a substantial i'd say

Shit

[light palm]

lets have a look on docks

[noble beacon]

Around 80

When in fight

[noble beacon]

Vanilla DXVK
Shaders/No shaders

And Remix with RT disabled

So, what do we have:
both vanilla d3d9.shaderModel = 0 AND Remix injection have performance impact

So the first performance loss cause is how the game handles shadermodel 0 rendering (worth investigating?)
And the second is Bridge server being too heavy on the already maxed out threads, I think (however it does not explain why only a little performance is gained back by setting the affinity in task manager?)

[light palm]

it seems something to do with remix. testing the modded painkiller install with the custom engine.dll etc, but with vanilla dxvk and shadermodel 0
gives hundreds of fps

remix with RT disabled is 90 ish

on c5l1 anyway

[noble beacon]

And even more without shadermodel 0

[light palm]

if i turn all the raytracing settings to minimum and use ultra performance cnn dlss then gpu is not maxed out

and still around 90fps

[noble beacon]

Yes it's never maxed for me on Docks

[light palm]

even if u set ultra quality_

[noble beacon]

It's maxed out at Full res

But becomes CPu limited at about 50 FPS

[light palm]

its probably those damn beans again

[noble beacon]

when lowering the quality

[light palm]

maybe too much meshes for remix to process

without culling

try stock engine.dll in the remix install

there is a dxvk overlay too you can enable in dxvk.conf for more informations
dxvk.hud = 1

[noble beacon]

Nah, very CPU limited still

Culling never really been an issue to me

[light palm]

do you have PBO enabled

[noble beacon]

Yes

-20 negative

all cores

[light palm]

HAGS?

[noble beacon]

Yes, Frame Gen doesn't work without it

[light palm]

rebar?

[noble beacon]

Yes

[light palm]

see whats different in dxvk hud docks vs some other level that doesnt have problem as much

[noble beacon]

Cemetery 100% GPU/Docks 69% GPU (nice)

[light palm]

try turn off those atmospheric particles

[noble beacon]

It's an ancient issue present since before these particles become a thing 😄

[light palm]

maybe its just too many presents etc

is the presents n stuff lower with culling enabled (stock engine.dll)

you could, just for gits and shiggles, comment out the shadermodel 0 line in dxvk.conf and launch with the hwclass tnl shortcut instaed, see what happens
or even without fixed function mode... see what happens

at this point im just guessing

bed time for me!

[noble beacon]

Ah, yes

Stock engine.dll does fix Docks performance (it turns out all my testing so far has been with modded Engine.dll )

Kinda sad

Which means, unless you guys want to dive into an Engine.dll rabbithole to make it so that it would work without culling in 999FPS, I'm playing Docks at 40-50FPS

(better than some tho )

I wonder how it runs on higher end hardware

I hope there's no some hard limit present like those 20FPS with hwclass tnl

[odd thicket]

Meanwhile me with my CPU hitting 96 degrees

Funny enough, Painkiller RTX is the only game that overheats my CPU

[noble beacon]

Well at least we got something, so there's definitely room for performance gains

[vale gust]

I suppose no requests, I will take the week off

[noble beacon]

All in the world requests

Add a motorcycle

[vale gust]

there is no level suitable for that

[noble beacon]

Every level

Change my mind

I could rock an aircraft in catacombs

[light palm]

(kims link is better)

[robust hollow]

btw you can replace reddit in the url with rxddit. it'll embed the images properly

https://www.rxddit.com/r/RTXRemix/comments/1jog23e/painkiller_with_rtx_looks_promising/

[light palm]

huh thats cool

[odd thicket]

[vale gust]

reminder that on 12th April is 21st anniversary

so you better get something out by then

[robust hollow]

could just wait for the 25th anniversary

[odd thicket]

Steam release, I’m calling it

[odd thicket]

Remix 3.0.0 by then, we’ll have DX10 support

[light palm]

wtf

moves with player

ahh maybe it has something to do with the draw distance setting

cos i changed that to 100 to test

maybe the engine is creating a big translucent sphere around the player, the size of the draw distance
ive always wondered why the draw distance needs to be set to over 350 for remix atmospherics to work

in this screenshot atmospherics are disabled though, so this is just a shadow of something

[light palm]

strange

[light palm]

figured it out
#general-remix message

[noble beacon]

I'm not keen on doing anything on my own 21st anniversary and you want me to care about some conputer game

[vale gust]

well the game was a success for many

I'd consider the trouble worth it

[noble beacon]

it's all wasted potential with no PlayerActionMotorcycle implemented

[light palm]

Birthday? 🎉

[noble beacon]

Tomorrow

I never celebrate tho, cause i'm heavily opposed to all the dates customs, since the social obligation to congratulate other people makes my head hurt lol

perhaps i'm just evil

[vale gust]

so what you say is you don't care about others' birthdays

[noble beacon]

you make it sound so evil

[vale gust]

that's what you said and don't deny it

[noble beacon]

[light palm]

@noble beacon HAPPY BIRTHDAY what do you want for your birthday 🙂

[noble beacon]

Ideally, a peace in the adjacent country would be great @light palm Make all the necessary arrangements

I'm about to get enlisted this summer xdd

Not the best time when there's fuckin war the next door

[dusk jasper]

HB mate

[vale gust]

I don't believe it is his birthday, show birth certificate

[noble beacon]

This is almost eastern european level of humour, good job!!!

I'm proud of you

the next step of slavicisation may get you banned from the discord server tho

[light palm]

wish i could..

@vale gust 100ac819 JZ to JNZ does not disable frustum culling strangely

wrecking FUN_100af200 does disable frustum culling but breaks a lot of other stuff. it's used in many places

[vale gust]

it does disable

[light palm]

i want to disable only frustum culling and leave the others in place

[light palm]

but it doesnt tho unless i did it wrong

by frustum culling i mean not rendering anything that is completely outside of the view "cone" of the player

[vale gust]

didn't PseudoPolish already made a lot of videos about it

[light palm]

if i do all of the anticulling patches it does disable allllll culling

but i dont want to disable all cos its too heavy

[noble beacon]

Actually Docks need more investigation

[light palm]

just the frustum one

[noble beacon]

I only did Cathedral tests

[light palm]

100ac819 does not disable frustum culling, guaranteed

does not seem to do anything actually

nothing super obvious

maybe it disables frustum culling for certain types of objecs or something

or objects inside another zone visible thru a portal or some shit

[vale gust]

when I tested it, it disabled it

so can you prove it that it does not disable it

[light palm]

wtf

yes

[noble beacon]

Are you looking for this?

[light palm]

i do the patch, then go into game, and frustum culling is active...

not sure what else to tell ya lol

[vale gust]

does Necrogiant's shadow disappear when you look away from him

[dusk jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/russian-bochk-bochka-bass-kalbasor-gif-18411064

[light palm]

your honor, i rest my case

[vale gust]

I see, then I will look into it

[light palm]

i tried a bunch of stuff

didnt really get that far, apart from fiddling around in FUN_100af200

which did disable it but caused slowdowns and other weirdness

[noble beacon]

Wasted opportunity
Everytime you send a screen recording there should be black metal playing in the background

[light palm]

i have a black metal band playing live in my living room

just didnt turn on the mic

[vale gust]

I see what the problem is

if Portals are enabled then a totally different function is executed

which has the exact same code

quality engine I must say

so listen carefuly

you go to 100aba35 and put JNZ there as well

along with the other one

[light palm]

hehe alright thanks David!

[vale gust]

although I think you will see the lights disappear still if you keep portals and antiportals

[light palm]

this should cure most of the graphical issues while retaining some optimisation

[vale gust]

maybe an idea is to just cull every entity which is not a light

it still won't work, if there was a wall in front of the light, then the light will just go through when the wall is unloaded

or at least, it requires more LScript modifications to enable lights only when needed

[light palm]

at the moment the lights are children to geometry so geometry gets culled, light gets culled

it would be easier if either PK used the normal dx9 lights that remix could pick up, or if remix picked up whatever the holy hell painkiller lights are

[noble beacon]

@light palm So i did this 100aba35 JNZ patch and the lights are there
I can't load Docks however, probably because i patched the ancient EngineNoFrustrumCulling from 27 Jan 2025, that did nothing on it's own

[light palm]

.

yeah docks crashes for me

[noble beacon]

Sometimes it crashes on loading screen, sometimes it gets to render a couple of frames of the level

[light palm]

wait i could load it with pkalllevels

and then it crashes ha

[noble beacon]

Yea

[vale gust]

so you are telling me it didn't crash if Portals are disabled

[light palm]

correct yea

[vale gust]

does any other level crash

[light palm]

lemme check

[noble beacon]

@light palm What Engine.dll are you patching? With all the assertion fixes or the old one from January?

[light palm]

city on water crashes

i made one with 1920 hudfix, assertion fixes and now this frustum culling

its fine without the frustum culling patching in the dll

maybe it\s overloading the portal or antiportal culling or something

the main culling i want to leave active is the draw distance

and it would be nice to leave the portals and antiportals

just better performance

[noble beacon]

City on Water loads for me, but no luck regarding the GPU utilization

[light palm]

try moving more into the level lol

it slows down around the bridge and crashes for me

[noble beacon]

fr

🕯️

[light palm]

yeah it seems this extra frustum culling one also prevents the draw distance culling from working as normal

so cpu utilization still high

i believe FUN_100af200 is calculating the frustum, or at least checking if objects intersect the frustum

and thats called from these places

[vale gust]

alright, listen even more closely

do the following

[noble beacon]

I'm listening

[vale gust]

replace from 100abeee to 100abef5 with NOP

and at 100aba33 you put 0x40

and from 100abac1 to 100abac5 replace with NOP

you still keep the JNZs that I told you to put

[indigo oar]

you're just changing jmp to a conditional jump, that means the TEST above checks for a non zero value. You should look for up xrefs for the call LAB_100ac8d8 incase it's used anywhere else

[light palm]

alright will do, thanks for the tip!

[indigo oar]

just gonna drop this here

[light palm]

AGAIN LEBRON

[vale gust]

it is disabled but Binq Adams wants the Portal and AntiPortal culling to work

[light palm]

and for it not to slow to a crawl and crash 😛

[indigo oar]

is it based on BSP?

[light palm]

i think kind of a little bit but not really

there are level designer specified "zones" with "portals" between them

not sure though

[vale gust]

there is a CutPortalPolygonWithFrustum

[indigo oar]

in cod1 we were thinking of using anchors meshes that we would place around the map carrying the original level geometry, essentially bypassing the games portal shaders etc since all of it would be handled by remix

[light palm]

we can disable culling entirely without much issue

whole level is rendered every frame

great for taking captures

but causes cpu bottleneck in some levels

we mostly just need the frustum culling to piss right off

[noble beacon]

It crashes on any level load master david
did i do it wrong

[light palm]

just nop everything

[vale gust]

you should've NOPed the lefover bytes, but it still seems to crash so scrap it

[light palm]

it might be a heirarchy issue, ie if we edit the frustum intersection check to always return 1 or 2
then if some portal stuff says the thing isnt actually visible
maybe it get confuse

or the other way, portal thing says its not visible then frustum says it is

[noble beacon]

Instructions unclear
CTRL+A Patch instuction NOP

[light palm]

XORXORXORNOPNOPNOP

we r genius

[vale gust]

I think I found something

so scrap everything I said besides the JNZ from Occlude

[noble beacon]

I've scrapped everything you said

Who the fuck are you

[vale gust]

then go to 100abb84 and NOP everything so it is from 100abb84 to 100abb90 all NOPS

[light palm]

I R BABOON

[vale gust]

seems to no longer crash in City on Water

[light palm]

recursive walk portals sounds a bit BVH-y

bed time for me, more ghidra tomorrow!

[noble beacon]

The same result as before, Docks won't lauch at all and City on Water crashes when in fight

[vale gust]

did you remove the changes I told you to remove

[noble beacon]

What I did
You mentioned leftover bytes, but i'm not sure what should I do cause i can't use a conputer

[noble beacon]

Yea, only JNZs left

[vale gust]

only the first one

[noble beacon]

100ac819?

[vale gust]

yeah, you only keep that one

[noble beacon]

Now it crashes on any level load again

[vale gust]

give me the engine.dll you are trying to edit

[noble beacon]

Perhaps i should leave messing with the assembly to the grown men

[indigo oar]

NOP till you remove every vital game function in existence

the crashes occur because somewhere along the function, it tries to load in a value into its registers which is invalid or just doesn't exist

[noble beacon]

So basically it crashes because it doesn't work

[indigo oar]

the functions altered does that sometimes yeah, unless you really know how it works

[vale gust]

it is not my case, the game crashes because of skill issue when ghidra patching

[noble beacon]

Exactly

[vale gust]

@noble beacon the problem was that I said the offsets wrong, so I will say it otherwise

so at 100abb84

only replace the JZ with NOP

the Call is actually necessary

[noble beacon]

This one JZ? Or is there like multiple instructions in a single offset and I need to open it up somehow, cause it only shows CALL at 100abb84?

[vale gust]

yes, just that one

replace it with NOP and it should no longer crash

[noble beacon]

https://youtu.be/4X-BoQFgRVI
Huge improvement!!!!!!!!!
GPU utilization much more healthy now

+99999 frames

Everything seems to be working as intended, I checked in the end of the vid

[noble beacon]

Ugh, seems like i didn't include culling checking in the vid

[vale gust]

what song is that

mgla

[noble beacon]

det som en gang var

It's a song name, not the album name

[vale gust]

I see, Burzum

[noble beacon]

Amazing song btw, my favourite of all time

will test more, so far looks amazing

this is huge

Thanks a lot!

[noble beacon]

Here

[vale gust]

so everything works as intended without any engine skill issue?

[noble beacon]

Seems to be the case

[noble beacon]

Found some quirks

My guess is, it's some remastered sky shenanigans

Adams will know better how his sky works or what exactly gets culled out

Worth noting, my infamous test site looks fine

Sry, will upload MP4 now

[noble beacon]

@light palm READ THIS WHEN YOU'RE AWAKE!!!
So, David's wizardry proved to be clever enough. #1313627595815911448 message We now have pretty consistent 100% GPU utilization and a lot of frames. (https://youtu.be/4X-BoQFgRVI?si=kyWEqOTgNw01Wfy1)
Also, culling is fine most of the time (check my message above)
However, there are some quirks here and there (check my 2nd message above). I believe it must be tested thoroughly and checked if we can edit some specific things in the levels manually to fix these things. Or press on Engine.dll tinkering if it's possible

[vale gust]

I think I know what you meant, yeah because the sky is basically inside the map, it is affected by portals

a solution is to fix the sky the proper way or ask me to add an "AlwaysDraw" flag to it

and I would much prefer you find the proper way to fix the sky that moved with player

[indigo oar]

This is so damn beautiful

[noble beacon]

The sky is wrecked without shaders sadly

Blood stains on enemies are also affected I believe

[vale gust]

basically, right behind you is a portal, so yeah

you can enable the "Zones" option to see them

@noble beacon haven't seen a birth certificate, but Happy Birthday anyway!

[noble beacon]

I thank you for your unexpected kindness, sir!

And for years of breaking this game apart

I have another project in mind, another thing that PK's community never seen before

Do you think if it's possible for you to research the possibility of making a PCVR mod or even a native Quest port of Painkiller, if I bought you a headset?

[vale gust]

of course, just give me the Pain Engine source code

[noble beacon]

yea it's a bit of an issue

gotta look in the history of Flat2VR mods

everything that comes to mind has a source code, i think

Btw there's Sclerosis, which is essentially a Unity engine Quest port of Amnesia: The Dark Descent

completely the same game

I've seen some projects that aimed to port Painkiller to other engines, but they all vanished in time

There's Revamped UE5 project (but it's really really different)

More of a remake

Okay that's just thoughts

[noble beacon]

New Engine.dll benchmark

[vale gust]

damn, 7.87 fps

[noble beacon]

The lowest FPS metric is never reliable

It's that 0,0000000001s stutter

[vale gust]

hell yeah, 200 fps

[noble beacon]

same thing

it's that blackscreen in the beginning

[vale gust]

nice, 69 fps

although the lights popping in and out are not cool

so probably won't use it

[noble beacon]

I think we're getting there

It's much better than without culling modifications

And quite performant

I believe the sweet spot is somewhere there

to be discovered

[noble beacon]

https://youtu.be/uSXuOtLtIpE
Full run

Shadows popping in here and there, yeah

Btw, does your 4GB patch help with disabled culling performance?

I don't remember why we don't use it

[vale gust]

because your RTX Remix does not like its D3Dev.dll

and it only gives more RAM memory, it won't help

[noble beacon]

But what's the cause of this performance regression

[vale gust]

what performance regression

[noble beacon]

When you disable culling entirely

Is there a reason it's so bad

[vale gust]

there are also mechanics that only work when they are being rendered

like monster's hitboxes will not be updated until they are rendered

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbh4s0ViJbU

so you get this bug when you don't render them

[noble beacon]

I've seen this, cool stuff

[vale gust]

in theory this bug is fixed in your build with no culling

[noble beacon]

So additional RAM doesn't help with disabled culling?

Can it be investigated somehow?

[vale gust]

it does not, the game doesn't even use 2GB most of the time

go to Pain Editor and press "H" like 3 times

you will see what consumes the most

[noble beacon]

So how do we make 9999 FPS with disabled culling if at all possible

Lemme try your patch just for fun

[odd thicket]

FG x100

[noble beacon]

There's been a lot of Remix patches since

[vale gust]

320x240

[noble beacon]

I don't think it will help?

GPU will be like 5% utilized with the same 40 fps

[vale gust]

you're not helping if you show me for the original game

[noble beacon]

When i put Engine.dll with disabled culling in the Editor folder it gives less info

How to enable more debug info?

[vale gust]

you need to put Editor's Engine.dll not the normal one

and I want to see the stats on the RTX Remix mod

[noble beacon]

So I need Editor's Engine.dll with completely disabled culling?

I don't have such 😄

BTW editor works with Remix so it would be easy to debug

If you want to do tests @vale gust, copy these files into Editor folder

Remix should hook just fine

[dusk jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/cr1tikal-penguinz0-meme-woo-yeah-baby-gif-19316511

[light palm]

ahaa metal!
🤘🏻

[noble beacon]

guten morgen

dobry ranek

[light palm]

god morgen

i see you folks have been busy!

[noble beacon]

david's been busy

[light palm]

bloody legend that david guy

[noble beacon]

And he won't even acccept my team fortes 2 skins

💀

[light palm]

thou art too pure to be defiled with thine vile tf2 skins

how has your birthday been, bit of heavy metal to celebrate?

[noble beacon]

Twas amazing. All day spent by a PC (conputer)

[light palm]

it's awesome to be able to get stuck into hobbies n stuff 😛

[noble beacon]

Technically I also have a diploma but

but we won't mention that

them conputer games shall be played

[light palm]

a diploma? oh no

have you seen a doctor

get it removed?

[noble beacon]

a big freakin diploma is upon my ass

[light palm]

it throbs before its going to rain

i have a phd in scrombling

big jug hot cheese

[noble beacon]

painengine original research

[light palm]

dr Binq says just dont worry about it, it'll be fine

[noble beacon]

new ways to implement PlayerActionMotorcycle

[noble beacon]

Of course it will

ChatGPT is enough for our level of education

Your Phd however,

🕯️

[light palm]

this works when using hwlevel tnl thing

[vale gust]

you mean hwclass tnl thing

[vale gust]

there is a command WORLD.EnablePortal(o, false) that you can use to deactivate a portal

you can use it so you deactivate portals that are in the room you currently are in, and activate them later when you are no longer in the room

[noble beacon]

No such command in Console.lua neither in AdvancedCheats.lua packaged with the mod

[vale gust]

not a console command, you use it in Lua

[noble beacon]

I see

So it's possible to make a superscript that disables portals only in close proximity

[light palm]

i guess the question is how to get a list of all portals in that room (what to put for the char 'o')
workin on it

[light palm]

function o:CheckNose()
    local x,y,z = self:GetJointPos("nos1")
    local x2,y2,z2 = self:GetJointPos("nos2")
    local b = true
    ENTITY.RemoveRagdollFromIntersectionSolver(self._Entity)
    --while b do
        local b,d,xcol,ycol,zcol,nx,ny,nz,he,e = WORLD.LineTraceHitPlayerBalls(x,y,z, x2,y2,z2)

i see

hmmm..
WORLD.EnableOcclude(true)

[vale gust]

That is for the algorithm itself

[light palm]

WORLD.EnumeratePortals maybe?

i get an error when i call WORLD.EnablePortal(o, false) from lua

[vale gust]

o is the id of the portal

[light palm]

ja

maybe o = get portals in zone

or some shit

[vale gust]

You get the id by calling GetEntityByName(portal name)

I think it was in WORLD.

Search that function

[light palm]

where do i get the portal names in zone tho, im looking into it

[vale gust]

I don't think there is such thing

You manually make a list of portals for each zone

[light palm]

if ENTITY.GetType(e) == ETypes.Portal then

something like that

[vale gust]

If you want performance then write optimized code

[light palm]

gotta love the great documentation for painengine lua

[vale gust]

Don't check every entity if it is a zportal

[light palm]

ie there isnt any

maybe ENTITY.GetChildByName on the zone

[vale gust]

That's not how children work

You go in 3ds max, type down the portal and zones names and create a list

[light palm]

maya ftw

[vale gust]

Or when you load a level in pain editor, scroll in the console till you see the zones and portals

[light palm]

just need 200 billion dollars to buy it

whats the shortcut key to disable culling in editor

[vale gust]

o

[light palm]

must be hardcodeed

[vale gust]

It is

[noble beacon]

Just how hilarious Painkiller debug videos are because of the music

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/steam-loading-load-valve-gif-21067085

[light palm]

Progress!

[noble beacon]

Nice touch with the balls

[light palm]

mine is so cool to play now

those voodoo guys look insane

fixed all the broken lights on babel and docks and town

[noble beacon]

Those AI tiles will need to be replaced
You should've urged me to use PolyHaven from the very beginning

[vale gust]

is the portal algorithm working

[light palm]

well i gave up for now on trying to find a way to get all the portals in the current zone

just make the disable occlusion script

[indigo oar]

Crazy work on that flamethrower man, this is so nice

[light palm]

wait til you see what @noble beacon did with the materials on Town

man i love the music on Town for some reason

[indigo oar]

He's using PBRFusion3 on the materials?

[light palm]

We're using all sorts

ive used PBRFusion, polyhaven, pbrify, and another one that 2kliks was using

[indigo oar]

Manual texture remastering would've taken ages to where you guys are at now

[light palm]

yeah and a fair amount of manual modifications on metallic masks and emissive masks etc

oh yeah for sure, it would take forever

not possible for just a handful of ppl to do all the levels otherwise

[indigo oar]

the AI tools that come with the toolkit are very subpar, takes a lot of time and resources compared to the PBRFusion model, my 4090 needs some work to do. But I just don't have any games to work on. Not on this scale lol

So I'm just gonna wait for the fully finished mod you guys are gonna release

[noble beacon]

I wanted to make it dark to put an emphasis on how burnt and desolate this place is, but in the end I think it's too dark

[light palm]

still struggling a little with automating getting the meshes replaced for better normals

video coming an a few seconds of Town, its so damn cool

[jolly lichen]

Just wanted to say, congrats on getting a feature in the remix segment in NVIDIA's GDC session, don't let it go to yall's head now 🤣💚

[light palm]

really nice to get a mention!

Nvidia should do a full "HypeFest" video showcasing all the cool remix mods

https://youtu.be/BDBxU6JfkA0

sry for bad video quality, just a quick tease

[indigo oar]

Materials are really amazing

[light palm]

video includes someone licking the pavement

warning

[jolly lichen]

Beautiful work, even on a phone screen everything looks very pretty

[jolly lichen]

I was thinking something of the same, even something that we do just in the server would be a great way to show off what everyone is doing. Was gonna suggest we do like a bi-weekly or monthly discord event where everyone shows off what they got and discuss how we're all going about our projects, would be a great opportunity to further network with each other

[light palm]

hell yea that'd be sick

i've figured out how to make camera movement recording thingos in painkiller so we can make some show-off vid doohickeys

I'll try to get v0.1.6 out before the weekend

Soon™

[noble beacon]

It seems to me that for some reason when you merge my project some things look different
Like this specific brick material is intended to be darker

Also remember missing pavement texture in Leningrad?

[noble beacon]

In this case what is odd is that what you see is an original unaltered diffuse texture. I applied it initially and figured that it was too bright, so I darkened it in Gimp and put back

[light palm]

Maybe the light is brighter

I took it to gimp and brightened it lol

[noble beacon]

Ah okay then

It was too dark

[light palm]

There were 2 or 3 that were so dark they were black

Can't remember which ones

[noble beacon]

This one

[light palm]

Yea that 1

[noble beacon]

looked better in the toolkit

should always check in game

[light palm]

In the vid I'm using new tonemapper too

It's way better

[noble beacon]

"it seems to me that when you merge my shit it looks different when released for some reason"

doesn't explain the Leningrad pavement tho

[light palm]

I fiddle with it

I don't debug

I rebug

[vale gust]

from the moment I saw pkgod and pkweapons I could smell skill issue

[noble beacon]

pkweapons is the most crucial thing in life one could ever type on his keyboard

i say make it so that this command will be triggered every 0,01s

Also what kind of pain engine issue causes a crazy stutter every time you pick a weapon the first time since level load

[vale gust]

it is not a Pain Engine issue, it is LScripts issue with caching

[noble beacon]

a shortage of skill all the same

[vale gust]

you just have to put these outside the "if"

they are in Cache.lua

[noble beacon]

and what about endless pkweapons

[vale gust]

you are telling me you are too lazy to type pkweapons

[noble beacon]

ye

[vale gust]

you already have PainCheats, I think it already has something like that

[noble beacon]

Last thing for today

PlayerActionMotorcycle

Now

[vale gust]

not motorcycle

if I get 60 fps on RTX Remix with my RTX 2060

[noble beacon]

we could bloody well make it run 60FPS on a 2060

[odd thicket]

That would like boost my GPU to 100fps then

[noble beacon]

You've suffered enough using FSR

[odd thicket]

Finally, I can use FSR performance

[noble beacon]

Might as well just punch through your monitor

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/cleanup-suit-tie-buttonup-gif-4770142

Just you wait till I get FSR 4 in

[noble beacon]

Okay punching through would be a little overkill then

just a little kick

[noble beacon]

[vale gust]

what about creating a sticker of this

[noble beacon]

We need davidplsfix first

[dusk jasper]

Painkiller appeared on Nvidia's GDC alongside with my logo, that rocks

[vale gust]

2nd time when it appears

[noble beacon]

Yeah I haven't seen this particular slide before

[vale gust]

now they milk Painkiller hard

[noble beacon]

They even made a new game because of us surely

[noble beacon]

Actually it looks like an edited version

Where can we see the full presentation @dusk jasper ?

[vale gust]

https://youtu.be/c7PArTVAYEA?t=1679

[noble beacon]

Nvidia please send David a 5090

He can't run his own mod

[odd thicket]

Limited Painkiller 5090 when

[jolly lichen]

Should put an Easter egg 5090 in like how portal RTX had the 4090 lol

[noble beacon]

Better yet a 2060

Who would've thought what kind of gpus would bring this mod to life

[odd thicket]

Then there's me

[noble beacon]

yours is elite grade

[noble beacon]

Of course he did it

[odd thicket]

I feel like the grey would be replaced with like a Painkiller monster or something

[odd thicket]

Make it happen NVIDIA

[noble beacon]

NVIDIA gentlemen,

May I

give us all your 5090's or we delete this game

[vale gust]

this game doesn't make a single cent for them

[noble beacon]

It will

[dusk jasper]

just a bit improved (realism look)

[noble beacon]

I'll buy a 5090 to play Painkiller one day

[noble beacon]

Ye, the skull no longer blends with the monster soldier

[noble beacon]

What kind of polish bastard makes a single texture for doors and tables

[vale gust]

it is called being economic

so you don't have a texture with just a door and black pixels

[noble beacon]

Good luck finding a good quality doortable PBR material

why am i laughing at myself

[vale gust]

you either give them separate textures, or mash the textures into that one

[noble beacon]

there's a better way

AI go brrrrr

[jolly lichen]

Black hawk down does the same with almost everything, that and some weird Quake 3 engine spin offs like Urban Terror

[noble beacon]

Getting there

[noble beacon]

2:32 AM Factory toolkit session let's gooo

@light palm
Morning! Your v016 is about to get a little bigger
Abandoned Factory
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uj5Y2kJRGVnEgYNe-WR5RPybczS-1jlw?usp=sharing

P.S. Might want to experiment with the sun position

and good night🫡

[dusk jasper]

Same timezone as me, nice

[light palm]

doortable.pbr

i want a script that bevels all 90 degree mesh corners

[light palm]

niiiiiiiiiiiiiice

[light palm]

fully sick!

SUS

😄

lookin good ay

[noble beacon]

Oddly enough it's the same material for metal stairs

[light palm]

i was just thinking of pbr-ing factory

but pseudo saves the daaaay

now i can get more assignments done lol

[light palm]

yeah im gonna make the skybox larger and move the sun further away

either that or make it closer to match the original

totally the sun does that

maybe the flat eathers were right 😄

[noble beacon]

always have been

[light palm]

but im australian and australia doesnt exist and we are all paid actors

i want my payment

[noble beacon]

I worked overnight just to make it before Australian weekend (a week ahead of normal european timezone)

[light palm]

good work hey

getting mad close to "quickly complete"

ie. not actual full replaced assets and custom textures like HL2

but as complete as you're reasonably going to get with basically 2 peeps on assets 😛

when is nv gonna do a best remix mods contest

so we can win last place

[noble beacon]

I think ours is better than Big Rigs

[light palm]

BLASPHEMY

[noble beacon]

[light palm]

testcube.exe

[noble beacon]

SampleApp

[noble beacon]

btw after close inspection i did find some fucking scary shit

[light palm]

oh i hope so

[noble beacon]

PCF use materials in a mysterious ways

[light palm]

oh yes

like the top corner of a random rope texture or something used to texture a mountain or something

[noble beacon]

Yeah
That moment when your replacement totally makes sense, but then you see a giant toilet texture applied to mountains

[light palm]

someones fingernail is actually the wall texture when you look closely

crap like that all over the place

seems the method of upscale those wacky combined texture atlas type textures, and replace with proper pbr the "one thing" textures

[noble beacon]

Poland finally got camera in like 2002 and those crazy people cooked

[light palm]

aint noone got time to compose custom textures at the moment. it actually makes sense not to right now
because doing asset replacement would be smarter

[noble beacon]

alright bro surely you wanna be an industrial piece of crap

[light palm]

FUZZWUZZ

PK Mascot?

[noble beacon]

Patryk

[light palm]

RTX Remix CEO

you dont wanna fuck with patryk

cos patryk will fucking kill you

[noble beacon]

Yeah he's a murderer

[light palm]

haha he is so comfy

[noble beacon]

bloody massacre snuff

He actually is
Not many people can appreciate this tho, cause he completely vanishes out of existence when some guests are home

He disappeares nowhere to be found

Patryk has his ways into VOID

[noble beacon]

I sold my monitor and the new one will arrive on 16th April🕯️

5 days without conputer is a disaster

I won't be able to eat

[light palm]

"sold"
suuuuure 😄

https://tenor.com/view/osu-osu-liveplay-osu-fail-osu-touch-screen-gif-20680336

[noble beacon]

Still sold it afterwards

[light palm]

which new one you order?

[noble beacon]

Some fairly new AsRock 1440p 180hz that has a very good value for my market

A moment

ASRock Phantom Gaming PG27QFT1B

PG27QFT1A is the same panel, but with more robust stand and WI-FI xdd

[light palm]

was the old one 1080p?

[noble beacon]

Yep

[light palm]

180hz 1440p is nice

[noble beacon]

Oh yes, I've been running a 1080p 60hz panel overclocked to 73hz for years

There's a big difference even between 60hz and 70hz

[light palm]

monitor upgrade often best upgrade

[noble beacon]

Absolutely, it's always worth it no matter what you do

Even if your hardware can't keep it up it's still a good investment

General PC experience is above all

[light palm]

can run painkiller original at 865 fps at 1440p on a GeForce 256 card heheh

[noble beacon]

Geforce FX was a disaster

[odd thicket]

Now do Painkiller RTX

[light palm]

9700 was what i went for around that time

painkiller RTX on Geforce FX

[noble beacon]

It arrived quite a bit later

Crysis level tech

[light palm]

i think i went from geforce 2 gtx

gts rather

[noble beacon]

Nice 72 frames in Painkiller🥳

Also destroys 128mb FX 5200

[light palm]

before overclocking hehe

[light palm]

180hz is a massive improvement over 72
just the motion clarity alone
not to mention the input non-lag

[noble beacon]

Sure thing. However i'll most likely set it to 165hz (still a world of a difference)

There are two types of 180hz panels: Native 180hz and overclocked ones (Native 165hz or so)

This one is apparently an overclocked one from the specifications (180hz Max)

Overclocked 180hz panels may have some issues with response times at their maximum refresh rate

And TomsHardware reports exactly that for this specific panel

On the other hand I've been rocking an overclocked 60hz panel with no issues at all

We'll see

[light palm]

yeah true, mines a 144 with advertised oc to 165
at 165hz with VRR+BacklightStrobing it flickers

[light palm]

what kind of cursed lighting is this

they have literally deleted the shadows

THATS NOT HOW SHADOWS WORK

also polish for some reason some textures do not exist in your google drive download it seems

wtf but they do on google drive

google isnt putting them in the zip when i download it

probably because of all the viruses you put in them

oh i am dumb. it gives 2 zipped files
i was cancelling the 2nd one thinking it was a duplicate like i clicked the button twice or something

[noble beacon]

wtf
is this because of my viruses

FYI i've hidden the sky prim in the Toolkit's stage manager to make use of Toolkit's light presets (garageroom etc) so that I could see stuff

But I think it's only for the Toolkit's viewport (?)

[noble beacon]

[noble beacon]

@vale gust Happy Birthday

[vale gust]

where is the update

[noble beacon]

The shadows are fucking gone it's over

(update tomorrow)

[dusk jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-old-man-back-flip-fall-down-phone-call-gif-17066850

So today its anniversary both of Midnight Club 3 and Painkiller, wow

[light palm]

already fixed 😛

[noble beacon]

So this was the thing?

[light palm]

what thing

the shadows missing is just how PCF did it

[noble beacon]

Ah okeyy

[light palm]

i been a busy boy, but theres a lot to do

so

patience young jedi

here i send a thing to tide over

in a minnit

i just have to make like 50 hud fixes and a bunch of lua bugfixes and etc

[noble beacon]

Wait a sec

[light palm]

one sec has passed

[light palm]

good point

just give me a week extra to figure it out lol

[noble beacon]

Outsource it to davidos

[light palm]

to summon davidos one must complete a pilgrimage

[noble beacon]

Ez

Watch and learn

@vale gust hey sweetheart, you are wanted

[light palm]

i shall look away and learn nothing!

[vale gust]

on the anniversary?

I have some YT videos to make, I can't now

[noble beacon]

death skull graveyard

Hell

[light palm]

australia heaps good mate

heaps good

is the official south australian slogan

[noble beacon]

DeepL translate English (Australian) => English

[light palm]

fixt

[noble beacon]

Hell yeah

[noble beacon]

Hell yeah

[noble beacon]

Now make this monitor a render target that streams another instance of the game to play

Painkiller RTX X2

V016 release date 3025

[dusk jasper]

I think "Black Edition" could be replaced with something

[light palm]

WHY is the light coming from behind when the moon is in front

[vale gust]

They probably wanted you to see the moon when you enter the level but were too lazy to change the lightmaps

[noble beacon]

It's Purgatory after all

you never know how it works

you only perceive familiar shapes

[light palm]

some random screenshots

[light palm]

The mod was too big as a monolith for the toolkit to handle so i had to split it up

should also make it actually possible to upload to moddb

a huge amount of work to do this 😦 but getting a lot of other things done along the way

[light palm]

I would love a logo that says Painkiller RTX 🙏

just try googling painkiller remixed lol

[potent cedar]

are we pain killing with this one?

[light palm]

just a tad

[light palm]

OMFG

[pallid saffron]

my 5090 will never be able to run that 😦

[noble beacon]

It's no harder to run than any other Remix mod really

There are some game specific issues (like disabled culling causes heavy CPU bottleneck in some levels), but now we have a toggle in the settings for it

[pallid saffron]

i meant this 😄

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-liar-star-wars-lying-gif-8634649

[dusk jasper]

Okay okay, here, take it

[deft flint]

Had a question for @light palm, any chance you can send me a DM?

Amazing BTW 👀

[vale gust]

@light palm after you are done talking you can tell us as well

[noble beacon]

Too late, he claimed his 5090

Try next time

[light palm]

lol i wish. pkallweapons wasnt working for some reason

[vale gust]

pkweapons

[light palm]

true

i got stable hashes on the enemies and weapons, did you see the multicolor vid above

but

still cant attach anything

i wanted to put lights on the enemies

especially those little skeleton guys with no arms with the green glowy in the middle

[light palm]

thank you sir!

[noble beacon]

What is this glowy thing

Can you pick it in Alt+X?

[light palm]

i mean the enemy is in a capture and the hash is stable

but attaching a light to it doesnt work

probably something to do with skinned meshes

u know those guys at the start of palace

[noble beacon]

Why not do a spawned mesh script again

[light palm]

yeah i could maybe do that, more effort though

i think it would be worth it

moving lights is awesome

[noble beacon]

true...

[light palm]

making a blood drips sprite sheet, the flickering was irritating

might do same for lava

seems i have to recompile the map to disable the animated texture on the lava though

[noble beacon]

Mr. Adams, while you're at Painkiller Remixed RTX Remixed Remix mod could you please put bringing back old tombstone textures in the TODO list

[vale gust]

Painkiller RTX Remixed Raytraced Remastered Remade

[light palm]

I will add it 🙂

not sure if i preferred the old cemetery ground texture too, what do you think

[vale gust]

is that the only thing you have on Trello

[noble beacon]

Was it upscaled or?

[light palm]

a lot of this will have to go to not the next release but the one after, im just trying to get this one put back together after the mod split

[light palm]

yeah it was a bit shiny

[noble beacon]

I love it but the new one is clearly better

Maybe make the current one less saturated

less green

[noble beacon]

Bro just created a Trello to send a screenshot of how the todo list is updated

[light palm]

LOL too much?
https://youtu.be/UB_CU1fAmqs

[noble beacon]

COIN GUN

It's perfect

[noble beacon]

They lost my fucking monitor

They were supposed to deliver it yesterday, and now they call me and say "Your monitor doesn't exist"

[dusk jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/melanie-laurent-oh-okay-fine-alright-well-gif-15672111

Oh well

[vale gust]

I found the real solution to 4k without modifying LScripts

[light palm]

font file_

?

[noble beacon]

but what about motorcycle engine transmission physics and stuff

where are we supposed to get gas

[light palm]

oh man that fuckin sucks

hope you can get your pc up and running again!

use phone as monitor

[vale gust]

inflation + tariff, you won't have money for that

[noble beacon]

The fun part is, the day before this they called me and said "we're sorry, we can't deliver it today, wait until tomorrow"

And the next day they're telling me they lost it. It would seem the reason why they failed to deliver it that day is because they were looking for it xdd

[light palm]

"Lost" it hey

like how do you lose a monitor

fell behind the sofa

slipped through a crack

[noble beacon]

Lost under a pile of beens

[light palm]

Accidentally thought it was a bean and ate it

Accidentally a WHOLE MONITOR

[vale gust]

did you get refunded

[light palm]

whats the real soln

[noble beacon]

They ask me to wait until Saturday for them to fetch a new one

Lol

[light palm]

The shipping company?

[noble beacon]

A local one

[light palm]

At least one employee must shave their head as a penance

[noble beacon]

Yeah this is ridiculous

How do you lose a fuckin monitoor

[vale gust]

You go to CalcTextureSize

and go to the bottom and change these

[light palm]

Oh you bloody genius

I would love to know how you figure this out, like whats ur process

[light palm]

demand a shrubbery in addition, as compensation

[noble beacon]

Demand to shut down this store

[light palm]

it's probably already shut down

they lost it

[noble beacon]

Now I expect it to be delivered destroyed into pieces

[vale gust]

I saw this error in Console and figured out there was the problem

[light palm]

enabled marek mode?

[vale gust]

no, it just showed it when you were in the menu with 4k

it is Editor's console

[light palm]

oh you crafty bastard

BTW i want to look at hooking so that we can do code injection

u know any good code caves?

get remix API going on