Painkiller

[noble beacon]

That's concerning bruh

[light palm]

my geek brain keeps going BUT HOW DOES IT WORK and thinking about physics

stupid head meat

then i got glasses, like upgrading my monitor

from a 1st gen 1280x1024 lcd to 4k hdr

[noble beacon]

I sit by my PC for 20 years now and still got 100% vision

[light palm]

probably because ur wearing yellow sunglasses all the time

[noble beacon]

There's that eye adaptation algorithm, that makes the image darker when looking at bright areas

Auto exposure?

Maybe we could kinda

make it stronger

so that we would have bounced lighting indoors and pleasant look outside

[light palm]

yeah thats definitely possible to tweak the eye adaptation

good idea

[noble beacon]

Noice

There's quite a room for improvement

[light palm]

about ur workflow question from before, i often find myself just editing the .usda files directly for quick changes

like crank sky brightness on atrium

[noble beacon]

Does it update Runtime in real time?

[light palm]

useful to have lots of different layers for that

yep

sure does

[noble beacon]

Good to know

[light palm]

u get a popup in runtime saying detected usda changes, load changes? or something like that

notepad++ helps a lot too, i can open all of the usdas at once in that

and search all open files for a hash

[noble beacon]

Yeah that's a treasure of a software

[light palm]

select all and edit with np++

find whatever i want

[noble beacon]

but can i find a life using notepad++?

[light palm]

im pretty sure you can

using regex

trying to make some good before and after shots

crashed when i tried to take the before shot :S

[noble beacon]

pro tip for marketing
when you do comparison between "original" and remixed, you just toggle RT in Alt+X menu
so that people would be like "bro that game looked like shit" xdd

nevermind that it's running forced fixed function

[light palm]

tru tru

[noble beacon]

How does this glass distortion work? Some overexaggarated texture map + transparent flag in Remix?

Looks very much like a sh*der

[light palm]

gotta put a normal map on, after changing it to translucent material

[noble beacon]

Ya ez pz

[noble beacon]

That's totally not a fixed function props

[light palm]

oh definitely not

[noble beacon]

Okay maybe some people would notice :))

How does one run 2 instances of PK at the same time?

[noble beacon]

remixed and vanilla

[light palm]

this material is cool

what i wanted to do was record a "demo" file and play it back in vanilla and then remix

but the demo files are like 2 fps

maybe @vale gust knows how to take higher fps demos

or how to fix the slow menus in 4k 😄

[noble beacon]

he knows knowledge

he spent 4 years or so locked in basement

researching this polish shooter

[light palm]

how did he get to do that

did he win a prize or something, i want that

[noble beacon]

i believe he consumed food once upon a time

not sure about washing tho

[vale gust]

the ones created using the /demorecord command?

[light palm]

ya

60fps would be great

i think theyre like 20fps by default

something like that

maybe its the serverfps or one of those fps options in cfg...

[vale gust]

nobody really used the demo recording feature from Painkiller, because it is bad and it isn't even consistent.

but I will take a look to see if the fps can be changed

[light palm]

kind of like my sleeping pattern

[light palm]

what does that say

hehe i cant read it

[noble beacon]

"freelance aesthetics😍 "

[vale gust]

are you aware that if I did not spend 4 years in the basement, you would still have culling

[noble beacon]

Yeah that's a food for thought

Maybe if you spent another 15 years there we would have Painkiller 2

[light palm]

GET BACK IN THE BASEMENT 😄

[noble beacon]

You shouldn't have gotten into this project

It was a trap

It's all only a dark deep basement for you from now on

[light palm]

https://tenor.com/view/sliding-blue-tarp-gif-18210746

that blue thing on the ground we call a tarp

[noble beacon]

Also, there's been that Photomode thing not long ago

I never checked it, so isn't is pcflymode command?

[light palm]

oh i misread i dont think it updates runtime in real time, i meant toolkit

[noble beacon]

shite

[noble beacon]

A sec

Quote:

"Painkiller is a very old game, so it doesn't have such a popular thing in modern games as a photo mode. But Painkiller's graphics and level design are impressive even after 20 years, so there is a desire to make beautiful and unusual screenshots, so the photo mode was the right thing to do, but for some reason no one has done it yet, although it's not impossible.

I took the initiative and created a toolkit to create screenshots on a different level than just through the editor. A free camera that you can tilt, adjust FOV, add weather effects, grid and more. When you press F12 there is a nice flash and a sound familiar to many.

Installation: requires Painkiller: Black Edition v1.64. Unzip the archive into the folder with the game. The mod does not affect the original game files.

How to use:

1. To activate the photo mode, you need to press X during the game;
2. To open the help window, press I.
   You can also hide the HUD outside the photo mode by pressing J.
   To avoid problems, photo mode is not available in editor and demon mode.

I think mod creators would like to create interesting screenshots of their work, so integration into mods is allowed!"

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

https://disk.yandex.ru/d/mtMjfZQW3_l3BA

Heard about that?

[light palm]

never heard of that

definitely virus

😛

[noble beacon]

It's just that after pkzone's death the only alive community is the russian one

this post is from 8 Aug 2024 in VK

Could be useful (?)

[vale gust]

in DemoRecording2::UpdateRecording

I think this is what you are looking for

[light palm]

ahhhhh nice

39 fps?

[vale gust]

I don't think the 39 is for fps

it seems to be some measure unit, although I am not sure

change it and see how it goes

[light palm]

aight lets see, thanks @vale gust !!

[light palm]

ranked pretty high on moddb

top 1%

[vale gust]

who is #1

[light palm]

need a trailer and blogpost i reckon

hmm good question

[noble beacon]

minekraft sex

[light palm]

i think its S.T.A.L.K.E.R stuff

and maybe Brutal doom

😉

[noble beacon]

1:22AM 🚾

[light palm]

i guess its 40ms which is about 25fps which seems about right

ill change it to 16 see what happens

hmm still looks choppy i think its still 25ish fps

could instead use one of the benchmarks, but those move a bit too fast in many cases to really show off the pbr textures

maybe just make new "benchmarks" using the editor instead of trying to record demos

or maybe there is some tool that just records your inputs at high fidelity and replay the inputs instead

[vale gust]

I don't think that works well with RNG

[light palm]

true

could just go into pcflymode and look at lighting and textures

what do you know about the slow menu in 4k+ @vale gust ?

[vale gust]

@light palm from what I've seen it only happens when it render certain graphic UI elements like buttons or scrollers

[light palm]

yeah maybe something in the lua

[vale gust]

I would have to see how these are drawn, maybe they hardcoded some stuff again

[vale gust]

@light palm go into PainMenu.lua and modify the fontBigSize to 36

line 94

[light palm]

omg

how the fuck did you figure that out

it bloody well works

[vale gust]

the text kept resizing

[light palm]

you should definitely put that on moddb

theres some other mod to fix that problem which is way more convoluted which tries to change the resolution whenever you go to menu

thats amazing man thankyou

[vale gust]

it doesn't really fix the core bug, it seems like there is a limit to how big a text can be

that's why we have to lower the font size

I will look further to see what causes this limit, but you can use this solution during the time

[light palm]

i can silently implement the line94 fix in the next release, do you want me to put it as a separate mod on moddb / steam? people struggle with this slow menu shit

[vale gust]

you could do something like:
is resolution 4k? Yes -> then fix

[light palm]

true

thats easy to do in lua

local w,h = R3D.ScreenSize()
if w or h is greater than blah blah
then line94 stuff

[vale gust]

yeah

didn't know 4k was this requested, I would've fixed it earlier if I knew

[light palm]

i made a bit of mess but this works well enough

probably need to call the function when resolution is changed in menu

[noble beacon]

Great great stuff! This is huge

[noble beacon]

Game's legacy must move on, especially when such tech as Remix pushes it forward so far

4K panels will become a standard in no time

I wonder if there are some other engine peculiarities that might potentially do harm that nobody asked about?

[vale gust]

the Engine being polish

[noble beacon]

Make it pseudo polish

[vale gust]

I found out why scrollers cause lag

it is because they also have a bigFontSize

despite not doing anything for them

[noble beacon]

Engine's becoming less and less Polish because of you

depolonisation of PainEngine

[noble beacon]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1mGZQYiN65Jml5q0fz5tae9qSfKoHt9DT?usp=sharing

PBRified Forest

Performance is not great in that one

Pathtracer doesn't like an enormous amount of vegetation i suppose

Also perhaps you should check if Forest has the same terrain issue as Castle.
It looks wrong in the Toolkit

yet completely fine in the gameplay, on my end

[light palm]

handsome fella!

nice work wit the pbrification, ill get em integrated

i wonder if just tagging the ground as terrain would fix that castle issue

[noble beacon]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1SpH2KTwxEty-QaVj2-Jbb2w9NtIlJ9dT?usp=sharing

PBRified Tower

So much for the 4th chapter

PBRification basement

[light palm]

uuuuuuuu legend

wat i was thinkin of doing was, any texture that is just one thing like this, use a texture from polyhaven or whatever

but if its customised like this kinda

then pbrify or better yet juggernaut that shit

but

for max quality extreme platinum ultra 2000

rebuild the custom textures in gimp using constituent polyhaven pbrs

[vale gust]

@noble beacon do you have diarrhea or something

sraczka

[noble beacon]

Tak

[vale gust]

go to the szambo

[light palm]

https://youtu.be/WPd3CAqrHQY

looks like shit but the original looks even more shit

[vale gust]

upscaled gowno

[noble beacon]

Bruh what

Original looks better

PSONE

[vale gust]

duperele

[light palm]

oh i uploaded the wrong file

[vale gust]

skill issue

[noble beacon]

David i don't suppose you're polish no>?

[vale gust]

I am not

[noble beacon]

Thank god

[vale gust]

I just use the words I found while modding Painkiller

[noble beacon]

Yeah that shit is hilarious to me

[vale gust]

there's also a lot of chuj and dupsko

and huj w dupie

[noble beacon]

Because I understand it all

[light palm]

pochodnia

[vale gust]

torch

[light palm]

kilbasa

i quite like poland

was in krakow, met some dude who spoke no english

[noble beacon]

90% common vocabulary with Belarusian

[light palm]

he put us in is car and drove us into a dark forest

[vale gust]

what were you doing at 21:37 in Krakow

[light palm]

then when we got out we were at this awesome place he had with swimming hole and canoes and lots of beer and food

and his mum was there and made a massive feast

and there was a guy who wore nothing but underpants, we called him underpants man

good times good times

[noble beacon]

Shit I want to visit Krakow and meet a guy who speaks no english

it would make two of us

[light palm]

hehehe

[noble beacon]

i barely speak my native tongue

[light palm]

we ate so much kilbasa

and the beer was cheap and good

[noble beacon]

I only visited Poland once even so I live on the very border

5km from me to Poland

[light palm]

oh oh and the ogorki

nom nom

where i live they call it polski ogorki

in poland they just call it ogorki

took me far too long to realise why i was getting weird looks when i asked for polski ogorki

[noble beacon]

we call it agurki or karnishony

[light palm]

i could be spelling it wrong yea

[noble beacon]

no you're spelling is right, just without the ó from the extended latin

agurki is how it is spelled in belarusian

[light palm]

ahh yea

agurk in norwegian

[noble beacon]

Wow indeed

[noble beacon]

Too bad this language is practically dead, we only start learning it in schools and never use it in our daily lives

It's situation is very similar to the Irish

Their native tongue is English

Ours is Russian

It's easier for me to speak english rather than belarusian lol

And I'm in the West of the country

that is traditionally anti russian

[light palm]

gonna give babel and forest a peek

[noble beacon]

Planning on visiting Poland this year to grab a 5070 Ti though (1000EUR in PL compared to 1700EUR in BY)

however there is a possibility they won't let me in :)))))))

but that's another story

[light palm]

politics :S

or are you a supervillain

probably supervillain

[noble beacon]

there are actually a lot of people in my city who visit Poland every week

it's just that i'm in particular a supervillain

[light palm]

i thought so

heheh

underpants man?

[noble beacon]

city's boundaries is actually a country border

so no wonder

I can see Poland from my rooftop if i take binoculars

[noble beacon]

shush

[light palm]

🫣

[noble beacon]

quiet about that or you'll see nopants man

[vale gust]

can we stop talking about Poland

[noble beacon]

jakie bydlo jebane

[light palm]

nice

#asset-creation message trying this on the foliage

probably doesnt work well with alpha maps, i think it needs geometry for leaves etc

[noble beacon]

gotta lock the devs up in the subsurface scattering implementation basement

[light palm]

i think it does something

[noble beacon]

If this isn't gonna work out

What if we just make the leaves material a little translucent lol

Just a pinch of translucency

0,001

How bad would it be

[light palm]

that could be a good idea yea

i think i need to reduce the sky brightness a tad

[noble beacon]

I think it's crucial to tinker with that eye adaptation

So that it would be possible to crank up the sky brightness

many indoor areas only get some indirect light with 99999999999 sky brightness

[noble beacon]

This is the place where David has been reverse engineering painengine

[light palm]

heheh

[noble beacon]

even the electric chair lever is there

100% authentic

[vale gust]

I am pretty sure that PseudoPolish understands "reverse engineering" as something else

[vale gust]

the inconsistency in these images' resolution is scaring me

[noble beacon]

Akira Yamaoka - Never Forgive Me, Never Forget Me

[austere zealot]

add more fine noise, it will look much better. Or send me original file in a video format, I will play with it

[light palm]

the original file is in the game folder

[austere zealot]

right, I thought it was encrypted for sure

[austere zealot]

even more grain on this one

[light palm]

thats quite an improvement

[austere zealot]

shall I export to you? And this WILL add some weight 😆

[vale gust]

No

[noble beacon]

No reason to worry
The reasonable threshold of 1TB has not yet been reached

[robust hollow]

this could just be resized back to the original resolution to cut down on size, just don't compress it as heavily

[vale gust]

https://youtu.be/_dUjUNrbHis?si=1seURukSLmHvBzRn

[noble beacon]

Yeah that's kinda funny

Just set it to software/CPU mode

or plug a 750 Ti in specifically for PhysX

[vale gust]

you could've just said "the RTX series stopped at 4090"

[noble beacon]

This 32-bit PhysX rant is kinda out of place to me

Like it's 100% solvable

[vale gust]

how so

[noble beacon]

Setting CPU mode or getting a 20 euro GPU

Missing ROPs on the other hand looks really bad lol

[vale gust]

people won't pay 600+ euro to get a card that they won't use

[noble beacon]

wdym?

[vale gust]

I want Raytracing, but I also want it on old games with PhysX 32 bit

[noble beacon]

Especially to my country's market, where we are forced to buy things in Poland because it's 50% cheaper there
If I bought a 5080 in Poland and notice those missed 8 ROPs only here in Belarus it would be a great fuckup

[noble beacon]

You won't see Remix in games that support PhysX any time soon

They're heavily shader based

[blissful mason]

when i launch the game, any idea?

if i click on ignore i receive this one:

[vale gust]

@light palm it seems that nobody will be able to play your mod

shouldn't there be an updated rtx remix for the new driver update?

[blissful mason]

anyone else with same issue?

[vale gust]

yeah, everybody who updated past 572.16 NVidia driver

[blissful mason]

oh ok thanks. At least i know is not a problem on my side

[vale gust]

It is not, it seems to be a problem on the RTX Remix's side, so we are waiting for an update

[noble beacon]

I expect we'll see an update to Portal RTX soon enough, so we'll try and use Portal's latest runtime on PK

It always takes time for Remix to keep up with the newest tech and drivers

(nvidia's own in house tech, go figure)

It took ages to implement Ray Reconstruction as i recall

[light palm]

Thanks for the info folks. Hoping for fix in driver or remix. I updated the description on moddb.

[light palm]

seems to work with latest driver

[noble beacon]

Any idea why freshly built Toolkit crashes on me?
The story is, I've updated my drivers to the latest 572.60 and completely deleted all the Nvidia stuff via DDU, including the NV APP and it's Toolkit release, then decided to try and build the Github version, since the Nvidia APP release seems to be getting updated in like once a year??

This dump is being created

[vale gust]

skill issue

[light palm]

Hmm.. not sure, works on my machine. Have you checked for beans?

btw i done a lot of lab and dead city textures

[noble beacon]

for the love of god wtf are beans😭 😭 😭

The phrase "works on my machine" is a common tongue-in-cheek response in tech circles, implying that the software runs fine on the answerer’s system but doesn’t necessarily help you troubleshoot your specific problem. The follow-up "Have you checked for beans?" is likely a playful or sarcastic remark rather than a serious suggestion. It doesn’t refer to literal beans (like coffee or legumes) but could be a quirky way of saying "Have you checked for something obvious or unexpected?"—akin to "Did you check the logs?" or "Is there some random issue you missed?" It’s not a technical term tied to Remix Toolkit or Nvidia drivers, just a bit of humor that muddies the waters.

Okay I'll just test some performance in Crashreporter GUI

[vale gust]

got you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bean

[light palm]

lmao

[noble beacon]

Is there a lore reason why there isn't Bean page on the Polish wikipedia

[light palm]

watch from here https://youtu.be/4HhPK8XC75A?t=416

[vale gust]

Beans do not exist in Poland

[noble beacon]

So i should fill my PC with Beand and Hire a Repair Man to Fix it

[light palm]

Correct

[noble beacon]

found them fuckers

[light palm]

tomato something

[noble beacon]

beans won't be enough, tomato greese is also needed

so that Repair Man would love it more

My FPS in Crashreporter GUI already skyrocketed so it's definetely doing somethin

[noble beacon]

@light palm What texture resolution do you pick when downloading from PolyHaven?

i bet david would like some uncompressed 8K textures

[light palm]

8k

[vale gust]

8 kilobytes

[light palm]

1gb per texture

[vale gust]

you know, Painkiller looks nice even without any textures

it is the gameplay that matters

[light palm]

i dont disagree

but i also like path tracing

[vale gust]

you can path trace even if everything is the same dirt texture

[light palm]

https://tenor.com/view/but-wait-nope-gif-14217892

[vale gust]

I hope you won't put in a 20 GB dirt texture

[light palm]

i take that as a challenge

dirt version will be available next release

have actually partially done one level with the original textures the same, just adding low res pbr maps (roughness / normal / height etc)

looks good imo

[odd thicket]

I need that dirt tho

[light palm]

Painkiller garden edition

"battle out of compost"

[noble beacon]

I absolutely hope you will put in a 20 GB dirt texture

A dirty one

Then a mossy one (+20GB)

And a little grassy one

[noble beacon]

@light palm Hey, would you please allow me to DM you? There's one offtopic thing i'd like to discuss real quick🙏

[noble beacon]

Does this mean it is now possible to configure fog on per level basis?

[robust hollow]

these are the settings for it

[noble beacon]

I mean per Level, per World

We've been struggling to figure out how to make the fog look different in different levels, cause these levels are... quite different in this game

[robust hollow]

well, it's a runtime based setting

i imagine you could use xor's API to change runtime settings when a level is loaded

@pine sapphire you implemented this into your project, right?

[noble beacon]

😮

This might come really in handy

[pine sapphire]

Yeah, but you still have to code in those features

[robust hollow]

yes, buuut can you please link the resources for these guys to look at?

and so i can have them

[pine sapphire]

no bc I didn't implement it

It was leon

[robust hollow]

get leon

we need

[pine sapphire]

He's extremely familiar with unreal engine 2 so he plugged in the API

[noble beacon]

We have a guy locked in a PainEngine reverse engineering basement

So any info would be of help

[pine sapphire]

If I had to talk out of my ass, you'd have to make some sort of flag for levels that the API could see and react to. Like if level 1, set fog values to X

Butttt if you guys wanna bug the guy who actually knows how it works, just tag @.sdfgsdfghoiuhfd (I feel like I've bothered him enough for the time being )

[robust hollow]

#showcase message

#1261818091483037807 message

some of the stuff xor has shared

[noble beacon]

Will do!
@light palm we might have something here

Painkiller needs this ASAP

[robust hollow]

@kindred scaffold did you ever share your code for this?

[kindred scaffold]

What exactly? Portal spawning?

[robust hollow]

just example code of how you hooked the API like that i guess

with imgui for customizing variables

[pine sapphire]

Generic API support with a GUI ignore me I'm just saying shit to butt in

[robust hollow]

generic would be nice, but i just meant any API control with a GUI 😛

[pine sapphire]

My project uses Unreal Engine's config GUI which isn't quite as pretty but it works

[kindred scaffold]

The most recent usages can be found in portal 2 and l4d2 but there is no short code snippet or anything like that. Interaction with Imgui and any variable is as basic as it can be

this has some more basic code and the gui part that you see in the video https://github.com/xoxor4d/iw3xo-dev/tree/feature/remix-api/src/components/modules/rtx

API usage is not up to date at all and was using code I had written for the PR

[robust hollow]

thank ya

[noble beacon]

Now i need to lock them bros in the basement tightly

while i enjoy pressing random buttons and actually playing a videogame

[pine sapphire]

I asked Leon if he was willing to upload the source code for his API implementation to our project GitHub, so I may have another point of reference to share eventually*

*0 promises on time tables

[pine sapphire]

@noble beacon @robust hollow

https://github.com/SWRC-Modding/CT/tree/remix/RtxDrv

Turns out he already published it

[light palm]

please go to github and give this one a thumbs up folks, to get eyeballs onto it. I believe the dev team uses the thumbs up to help prioritize:
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/704

David do you know how to get windowed mode working in painkiller natively?

[vale gust]

I do

[light palm]

always wondered why its not available even though theres a setting for it in config

[vale gust]

you can check for yourself

this is for 4gb patch

[light palm]

cool mister, how did you do that

[vale gust]

I edited the .dll

[light palm]

im trying to figure out these startup crashes with remix. maybe it has something to do with the game creating windows with different resolutions for the intro videos

cant see any config options to disable the intro videos

maybe i can just delete them

[noble beacon]

Have you tried checking on how Remix behaves with different Exe versions? Like put in a release 1.0 exe or some other version, or even from other Painkiller games

[light palm]

only the normal one and the 4gb one

[noble beacon]

Perhaps it's worth a try

[light palm]

do eeeet 😄

[noble beacon]

There are some quite significant differences i'd assume

for example there were no shader moder 3 in the release 1.0 version

[light palm]

where do you even get those exes

[noble beacon]

from places

dark and full of terrors

[noble beacon]

These bink intros are usually fixed by deleting or replacing the file with a dummy one

Perhaps if you put in a 1920x1080 video it would work

or other depending on your res

[vale gust]

why are we using the smooth brain replace with dummy instead of just not making them play

[light palm]

i just deleted them and they dont play

the behaviour is the same with remix though, and it still shows the static image first screen

[noble beacon]

If we asked you to add sex would you find a hidden function for it in the dll?

[vale gust]

unfortunately you ran out of David tokens, please ask next week

[noble beacon]

Your prompt seems to be violating our terms of service

[light palm]

this one i still cant get rid of yet

[vale gust]

This image doesn't affect Remix

[light palm]

the game seems to start up at 640 then goes to the resolution set in config after that

i want it to not do that

[noble beacon]

What happens if you set 640 desktop res?

Does it help?

[light palm]

doubt it

its how the game is creating and destroying windows / swapchains

or something

[vale gust]

to prevent David abuse, ask me next week when you replenish David tokens

[light palm]

aight will do thanks man

DAVID PLEASE FIX

tokens

[noble beacon]

Queued: 57hr 48min

Subscribe for $99.99 for priority access

[noble beacon]

I'll investigate this today

Perhaps some shitty Painkiller addon starting with Re- will swallow the latest Runtime just fine

In which case we could put the original levels in there

[dusk jasper]

wanted to remake it

[light palm]

Man that's sik

Cheeeeers

[light palm]

this is the original slightly higher res than the one before

new one way better

[light palm]

using
dxvk-remix-7f622bc-727-release
bridge-remix-7c58986-118-debugoptimized

like you suggested before Polish. But something must have been wrong last time i tried

[noble beacon]

Ah thank gods

Been doing random stuff for a couple of hours

I've found something kinda oddly intesting

[light palm]

ya? wats dat

[noble beacon]

0.6.0 Stable Release works in all Painkiller games, but for Resurrection. There's something special about that one, even the "bin" folder is in lowercase of all games

Not sure what to make of that

[light palm]

the bin is too small

what happens when you try resurrection with 0.6.0

[noble beacon]

Nothing

Stable launches fairly quickly in all other games

with no debug assertions

[noble beacon]

Also this is the only game that can only be launched via "Play" button in Steam. causing this error otherwise

Also wtf is this bruh

Everything about this one is weird

even the gameplay is crazy with the vertical surface you're supposed to climb using bugs in the first level, developers expect you to use broken physics

[light palm]

that steam error you can fix by copying the actual steam exe into the same directory as the game exe

and if theres a vdf file you can edit it i think

[noble beacon]

Right, steam behaves odd sometimes when you install the game on some other disk

[noble beacon]

Could you please send me the Runtime files? I seem to have ruined my system's environment so I can't build stuff

kill issue

[dusk jasper]

here is squished version as well, in 3840x3840 resolution

[light palm]

hehe squishy!

[vale gust]

the only difference I notice is the file size

[noble beacon]

it's enough

what possibly could you want more

[vale gust]

vertical surface?

[noble beacon]

Bro that's crazy

What were they thinking

[vale gust]

I don't remember having to climb vertical surfaces

[noble beacon]

There's that spiral stairs going up

almost 90 degree vertical

and you have to spam space to climb it

[vale gust]

from what I remember those stairs had ladder zones around them

[noble beacon]

yeah because ladder zones tend to work wonderful in games

especially spiral ones

[vale gust]

you could just "w" all the way to the top

[noble beacon]

No way

♿

[light palm]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/bridge-remix/actions/runs/12816371573/artifacts/2443091926
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/actions/runs/13712793085/artifacts/2708476731

[noble beacon]

Now i'm obliged to load the level and check it

is this the first level of Ressurection right?

[noble beacon]

Ah ty

Fuck it got even more hilarious

[vale gust]

every sequel was some sort of published fan mod

and from Redemption they didn't even bother to supply them the source code

[noble beacon]

It shows

[noble beacon]

This "game" is literally a gameplay based on the MP maps

sold for money

like this what every kid did

[vale gust]

you forgot that the levels were made by 14 year olds

[noble beacon]

Literally

[vale gust]

they were, 14 year olds submitted the levels to Eggtooth and he added them in the game

and Resurrection was made in the span of 9 months

[noble beacon]

my skill is naught and the issue is great

[vale gust]

"difficult to climb for those whose souls bear the weight of guilt"

your guilt is being half polish

[noble beacon]

thank god but no

PseudoPolish is purely geographically based

poland is my backyard

[noble beacon]

Are these guys still alive>

What does Eggtooth do?

[vale gust]

he is, I just talked to him

he hides from the public so people will not bully him for the sequels he made

and blame him for killing the franchise

[noble beacon]

Is this still a thing after all the years?
I don't quite imagine how big is Painkiller community outside of russian speaking world

i'd assume it died out after pkzone's end

[vale gust]

there's still the Painkiller discord server

[noble beacon]

Huh

Does he know about this mod?

Is there any legends here in this thread? 😄

[vale gust]

me

[noble beacon]

Of course!

forgive me my insolence good sir

[vale gust]

Doesn't care about Painkiller anymore

[noble beacon]

Understandable, there wasn't really any room for something completely unseen about this game for a long time

That's why i'm so hyped about this tech

This is literally the way

the path

to salvation

[vale gust]

co-op

[noble beacon]

Good point

That's the one?

https://www.moddb.com/mods/painkiller-cooperative-mode/downloads/painkiller-cooperative

It's pretty new

The same age as Remix mod btw

[vale gust]

no, it is like MP deathmatch but in SP levels

and a lot of bugs

[noble beacon]

Are there multiple projects?

[vale gust]

what do you mean by multiple projects

[noble beacon]

You say

no, it is like MP deathmatch but in SP levels
Meaning, there is some other co-op project in development?

I've been a bit out of context with all the Painkiller modding scene since like 2020 until now

Actually Rise of Evil (2017) was the last mod i've been waiting for to release

[vale gust]

It means that the quality is sub-par

[noble beacon]

Do you think it can be fixed?

What do you think of it from the perspective of a PainEngine master lord king

[vale gust]

if I had the source code

[noble beacon]

I could contact the developer real quick if you're interested

He has a group in VK where he posts stuff about this mod

[vale gust]

If I had the source code to Pain Engine, not that

[noble beacon]

Ah

I don't think i could break into the PCF office in Rzeszow

[vale gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeXAHre3x3A

I already have my version of co-op

[noble beacon]

Wait what

what am i looking at

Did Resurrection have COOP and you put original's levels in it?

[vale gust]

yeah, Resurrection did have Co-op

at least in version 44

[noble beacon]

Well I never

Should I look for sex that i missed in some other PK game made in 0 months?

[vale gust]

are you down bad for banshees or what

[noble beacon]

sometimes i think that local funnies are global

like it's fucking hilarious to write "added sex" in the change log or to request "please add sex" in my world

[vale gust]

there is already sex in Painkiller

there are male enemies and female enemies

[noble beacon]

no the actual act of multiplying shall be added in the next patch

[vale gust]

Executioner already does that

chops body and spiders come out of it

and Loki who gives birth to them

[noble beacon]

I hate this executioner and his spiders

It caused me a lot of Lua errors back in the day

Still trying to kill it as soon as possible with the freeze

[vale gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nKMXsj5J7M

[noble beacon]

Like Babel and Castle crashed a lot because of "spider jump" something something script error

Is this a 1.0 thing?

[vale gust]

I think it is some intermediary version because I know that the spider jump had been edited a lot

but doesn't happen in latest version

the best version is 1.1 (polish exclusive) where you can't move in MP if you are host

[noble beacon]

Secret sex level in 1.1 (polish exclusive)

[vale gust]

I am adding sex level in the to do list

I don't guarantee the enemies will be of opposite sex

[noble beacon]

Please do🙏 🙏 🙏

Magnum opus for ever and ever

[noble beacon]

we don't really care here in eastern europe

as long as its fuckable

[vale gust]

or human

[noble beacon]

or fuckable

[odd thicket]

[vale gust]

Akella

[noble beacon]

All the CDs are intact

[vale gust]

Akella had some really ass patches

if you applied 1.51 you could no longer play Factory as it crashed when you enter

and then it would've persisted in future patches

[noble beacon]

I've played through this 1.0 3CD Akella release like a billion years ago with no issues

I'm not quite sure where did I see the spider jump error

[vale gust]

I think some Akella CDs are version 1.29

[noble beacon]

I'd buy a whole lot of these CDs if I knew

how curious this game is

Here in Belarus they've been selling up until like 2014 or something

Then all legal copies of PC games completely disappeared from the stores

in an instant

[vale gust]

too much skill issue for Belarus

[noble beacon]

You can still find this sort of shit in some odd places

Got a clue what it is?

[vale gust]

Painkiller from wish

[noble beacon]

we do have a shortage of skill

all the sigma conputer lords move to poland and lithuania

so here i am cannot climb the stairs

[noble beacon]

https://imgsli.com/MzU2NDgz

NRC GI

https://imgsli.com/MzU2NDg2
This one is quite an obvious example

NRC is aware of light that comes through windows on the other side

ReSTIR shows skill issue here

[noble beacon]

Is there a way to build bridge-remix without this specific commit?
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/bridge-remix/commit/5e27290b55967360b1264bf0f6d6e23b313a2ed7

[light palm]

hmmm thats a good idea

[noble beacon]

A short term one though

[fringe tangle]

for creating a local build, you can checkout the bridge, use git revert 5e27290b55967360b1264bf0f6d6e23b313a2ed7 to locally roll back that commit, then build the bridge

[light palm]

ahh nice thanks Mark

[light palm]

Finally managed to get the upload to moddb to work

[odd thicket]

There’s a new build?

[light palm]

ya

[light palm]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/painkiller-rtx-remix

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-slayer-doom-marine-doom-guy-doom-eternal-doom-gif-21755318

[noble beacon]

FINALLY amazing volumetrics suitable for Cemetery

That's what I've been waiting for!

This is finally Cemetery from Painkiller

[potent cedar]

wow this looks great

[noble beacon]

And what's even more great, it genuinely feels like original, but made in 2025

100% authenticity and beauty

@light palm Very, very nice! This is amazing mate

[light palm]

Woot woot! 🎉🎉

[noble beacon]

Like, wow

[light palm]

Those foggys are smexy

[noble beacon]

Is this "sex" I've requested to add>

[light palm]

Heheh

[noble beacon]

i'm fine with that

[light palm]

Rtx skin imagine alastor wings

[noble beacon]

The only issue is this xdd

[light palm]

Realistisk 😎 would probably look a tad like that fr

Try transformer model with shotgun altfire lol

U know way, we could probably turn volumeteics contribution way down on the muzzleflash lights

[noble beacon]

Probably should

[light palm]

Hold my egg nog

[noble beacon]

Recorded a video to try shotgun alt fire and instantly forgot about that and started taking screenshots of how great the cemetery looks now

[light palm]

Soz I meant RR on with xformer model

[light palm]

And change froxel accumulation to 254

Unless mine is way different than urs for some reason u should get a super wacky halo fog glow

[noble beacon]

LAZER FREEZE

[light palm]

take a look at cathedral for sure, the fog looks nice in the light

[noble beacon]

Will do!

I think I have a lot of screenies to make today

[light palm]

awesome! we need more screenies actually

[light palm]

give this a try on cemetery

[noble beacon]

This makes fog sort of dynamic I believe?

[light palm]

yeah it breaks it up and makes it move about a bit

noise field density 3 is probably better

[noble beacon]

A lil busy fixing my HOUSE right now bruh

But it's worth the time to tweak these volumetrics settings for sure

This stuff has potential

[light palm]

oh nice i tried the "release" version of the bridge and dxvk and it works without the error message

118 bridge and 727 dxvk both release

[noble beacon]

These might be more appropriate

You don't feel like rubbing your eyes, and there's still cool volumetrics

[light palm]

ill give it a shot cheers!

house fixed up?

[noble beacon]

No

Who cares

[light palm]

https://tenor.com/view/house-gif-25413894

[noble beacon]

Pretty much yeah

As long as the conputer is fine i'm good

[light palm]

is this enough moons for cemetery?

[noble beacon]

Don't bother asking "is this enough"

It's never enough

[noble beacon]

Atrium looks too bright. I think we should shift the eye adaptation thingie so that second picture's apperance would be default for when looking down
(or simply revert the brightness lol)

[odd thicket]

With the FSR 3.1 mod, This game could technically support FSR 4

I need to update the mod

[odd thicket]

Is all the new ground texture in the latest build?

[noble beacon]

Yep

[odd thicket]

Can't wait to try it, I got the latest version downloaded, just need to update my painkiller

[noble beacon]

Hey, when do you plan on buying the RX 9700 XT?

It's pretty interesting

I might consider it if the prices are gonna be fine this year

If not, might as well just grab Nvidia

[odd thicket]

I was going to sell my PC to get it, but I'm just gonna wait a bit longer so I'll be on the RX 7600 for a bit more. I've seen a few in stock, but it's hard to get the $599 ones (Online anyways)

But I plan on getting that 9070 XT, I think I'm just going to put money to side for a complete PC build

[noble beacon]

Online is doomed for ever

If you're in the US, there's a good chance to see them in Microcenters

[odd thicket]

depends on the state, we've only got one in the whole state for me

[noble beacon]

I genuinely thought this store was like a universal thing in the US

NVM though, you're quite lucky still

[odd thicket]

Miami is the one nearest to me (4 hours away)

[noble beacon]

It's always misery here in europe

[odd thicket]

I've been to Fairfax one before, it was tech heaven

[noble beacon]

I've seen a post on Reddit from Fairfax's Microcenter

Quite a line for the 9070

[noble beacon]

Same thing for the Catacombs

not the same vibe you know

[odd thicket]

DLSS looks so good

Maybe if I cap myself to 30fps I could do FSR balanced or quality

But then again performance > quality

[noble beacon]

I beg to differ 😄
All this 999FPS thing is a product of the weak 8th console generation. PS4 was outdated even in 2013, and PCs have gone a looong way during the span of this generation, enabling budget hardware to run all the games in 999FPS. It was not like that before, it's not like that now. PS5 has actually decent hardware.

This performance bump of 2010's was temporal and an anomaly

It's always quality first before and now

I remember some PS3 games ran in 15FPS bruh

And it was HUUUUGE quality jump with all the PBR stuff and advanced shaders

[odd thicket]

I mean, it's also a fast paced shooter so 60fps is going to feel better to shoot than 30fps

I'm fine with 30fps in more slow paced games

[noble beacon]

The thing is, I'm not actually "playing" it lol

I test and tweak and screenshot and test and look

Paying attention to things

Kill all badguys with the cheats and look and tweak

[odd thicket]

Lmao, I've actually been enjoying it and this is my first time playing the game

[noble beacon]

It's actually nice to hear! This is my childhood's game

Good to know people still enjoy it

[odd thicket]

I’ve always been a fan of games like these

So I’m happy to discover a new one

[noble beacon]

This one is special i'd say

Soundtrack (especially Ambient) is just something else

It suits this game so well

With all these random liminal spaces in the Purgatory

I remember just roaming around and listening to sounds of the level

https://youtu.be/blPHmUEy6dE?si=Eu6KNsagB06ZfrO3

i'm showing this playlist to everyone when it comes to Painkiller

I love how Pathracing gives you a hint where the secret is

There's quite a lot of these fun little hints

Really contributes to the game in quite an unexpected way

[light palm]

what do you think

[noble beacon]

Great! Actually resembles a night sky now

[austere zealot]

HHHuuuge improvements

[vale gust]

@light palm where is dirt edition?

[noble beacon]

That would be freakin' wonderful if Nvidia guys accidentally brought Dirt edition to the GDC

Btw you heard about that?

This mod might be lucky enough to serve as an example of why this tech is supersigma on GDC

[odd thicket]

Word of advice, if that was told to you in a dm, I wouldn't be saying that publicly

[noble beacon]

In public runtime-help thread, so I guess it's fine xdd

[odd thicket]

Ah, alright, whew

[lusty timber]

Do you guys haeve a Painkiller or Painkiller Remix png as a white on transparency?

[lusty timber]

@light palm @noble beacon for vis

[light palm]

@lusty timber Here's a few I had, let me know if you need anything!

[dusk jasper]

Vis? What is vis?

[lusty timber]

Visibility

Is black edition the original game

[light palm]

Yes, effectively

It's the original game with the "battle out of hell" expansion included afaik

I haven't see painkiller non-black edition for sale anywhere, pretty sure its all black edition now

[robust hollow]

yep

[lusty timber]

Is this mod for black edition

[light palm]

Yep 🙂

[noble beacon]

[noble beacon]

A couple of people i've advertised this mod to are struggling a lot with loading levels even if it works on my machine

Level load assertion pops up indefinitely

I think a temporal workaround via loading saves is needed

I'll make saves for every level and post it here

[light palm]

there has been some movement on the github issue, check it out>
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/704

[noble beacon]

Yeah it was a nice morning read

[light palm]

you could also suggest your friends to try the non-debug version of bridge 118 along with the latest version of dxvk-remix

thats what i am using now and i get no assertions at all

loads about 75 percent of the time

every time

[noble beacon]

Tried that and something odd is happening

Remix crashes that way immediately with the default Remix error

Probably some kind of user error although I couldn't tell what's wrong watching stream

[noble beacon]

Load problem is not the assertion itself, it's only a message

Something underlying is broken

[light palm]

hmmm i have turned off all types of overlays, doubt thats what helps but maybe

steam, nvidia, etc

are they using fresh unmodded install of pkblack

[noble beacon]

Ye i made sure

Will check on it again later

BTW indefinite level load assertion happens to me as well, but once in a while

I wonder if David tokens are replenished and he could give us a hint on what is going on when loading levels via games's map

And what's the difference in comparison to loading a save

And if we could "preload" all the stuff that gets loaded when starting a level from the game's map

@vale gust PLEASE HELP

[noble beacon]

Are you by your PC rn? I'd like to check something

@light palm

[light palm]

yea

[noble beacon]

Please make a clean 2nd game mod install and copy some saves from your main game and see how it loads in the new one

Use debugoptimised to check if assertion pops up

[noble beacon]

Seems to be working just fine. Try it yourself to make sure
#1313627595815911448 message

[light palm]

wat u do?

is that save files or

[noble beacon]

I made saves of every level's starting point to bypass the assertion trigger

[light palm]

ahh

work around works!

[noble beacon]

Whatever caused the assertion should not be the problem that way

Also you might want to set Cfg.FOV = 115 in config.ini, cause FOV kinda breaks when loading a save made with different FOV

And there's no Forest because it doesn't let you save the game on Trauma difficulty

[light palm]

stuff im workin on

[noble beacon]

It would be useful to lift all the difficulty related limitations, such as cheats, saving, levels etc

[light palm]

yeah ill put that on the list. it is very easy to do, i already know how

just havent got around to it

[noble beacon]

Nice work!

[light palm]

not sure if i am imagining things but it looks better and runs smoother with the latest dxvk-remix

[noble beacon]

Hmm regarding that saves workaround, i think it might be possible to code so that Start Level button would load the corresponding save instead of doing whatever it's doing usually, but it would be wiser to wait and see how the GitHub issue develops before wasting David points

[light palm]

thats a good idea hey

[noble beacon]

All scripts seem to be intact when running saves

So not really sure what this default way of loading does

so maybe get rid of it alltogether

Fun fact, Babel load time is the same no matter the way you load it

[noble beacon]

updated the readme and discord won't let me edit the attachment

[vale gust]

Have I been summoned or something

[noble beacon]

Yes we have a question

Why is everything working when loading saves and fuckin not when loading the usual way via game's map

What's is the underlying difference

[vale gust]

you mean the map command?

[noble beacon]

That big juicy red Start Level button triggers C++ assertion

Loading saves does not

[vale gust]

did it trigger before?

[noble beacon]

Yes

[vale gust]

so does it trigger during the fade to black transition?

or after

[noble beacon]

Before

Right as you click the button

[vale gust]

yeah, so it means that it is the fade to black problem

because the actual loading happens after that transition

[noble beacon]

Wait, wdym by "fade to black"?

[vale gust]

you press the button and the whole map gets black and red

[noble beacon]

Ah yes, after that. I thought you were speaking of fading visuals lasting for a second after the level is loaded

You can see the progress bar when the assertion happens

[vale gust]

can you take a video of it

[noble beacon]

Right

[noble beacon]

Here

This time i managed to ignore it

For some people this assertion triggers indefinetely

So we want to get rid of this loading process

This assertion does not happen when loading saves

[vale gust]

the code for starting a new game and for loading a save is completely different

or not really completely, but are different

so I will have to figure out what thing causes this

by the looks of it, it happens even before it loads the map

[noble beacon]

Could it be done so that Start Button would simply load a corresponding save instead of going through this process?

[vale gust]

No, there has to be something that needs to initialize everything so you can even create that save

and I don't think you intend to package the game with saves for every level

[noble beacon]

I've already done so lol

[vale gust]

only for Insomnia

what about the other ones

[noble beacon]

Will do if needed, it's a temporal workaround

We might get a fix from Nvidia soon enough

[vale gust]

No, I will debug the game and tell you what causes it

[noble beacon]

Thank you! Also please investigate if it is possible to alter the functionality of Start/Play level Button

[noble beacon]

Here are the saves just in case @vale gust

[vale gust]

give me the .dlls from the latest patch

from Bin and Editor

[noble beacon]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/actions/runs/13780093457
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/bridge-remix/actions/runs/12816371573
Get dxvk-remix Release and bridge-remix Debugoptimised

contents of dxvk-remix go to Bin\trex
contents of bridge-remix go to Bin

[vale gust]

is there a way to force windowed in RTX Remix?

[noble beacon]

set client.forceWindowed = True in Bin\trex\bridge.conf

Uncomment it also

Also probably should set client.DirectInput.disableExclusiveInput = True

[noble beacon]

It's doesn't minimize so just set low resolution

[vale gust]

what kind of cursed resolution is that

[vale gust]

top notch graphics

[noble beacon]

Does this only happen when loading a save?

[vale gust]

I started it by button

[noble beacon]

Do you have mod installed?

[vale gust]

it is

[noble beacon]

Perhaps Remix settings defaulted to shit because Turing

Try and set Ultra preset in Alt+X menu

Also make sure Enhanced assets are ticked

Spill some blood, decals would appear wrong if mod is not working for some reason

[vale gust]

it is set to Ultra

[noble beacon]

Try and put these in Bin

and this

Also what is your display driver? 572.60 and higher is needed for the NRC to work (for Painkiller at least)
You could try setting ReSTIR here instead of Neural Radiance Cache

same thing goes for the new volumetrics i think, try disabling it

[vale gust]

those settings did nothing

[noble beacon]

Weird. I'm gonna pull things out of my ass now
Try setting CNN model
Try disabling RTXDI

Also try setting higher texture budget, perhaps there's not enough VRAM and enhanced assets simply do not load (?)

Tick Higlight Legacy MAterials and check if the lanterns are flashing red

[noble beacon]

Try clicking "Demote all textures"

[vale gust]

quite a way to get lighting I guess

other things don't do anything either

[noble beacon]

Hmmm

Try fresh install. If you don't have a mod archive anymore, there's a Lite version on ModDB that is like 1GB

[vale gust]

I've just installed this

[odd thicket]

I downloaded the full version

[noble beacon]

If there's no light still, there might be a possibility that 2060 just can't.......

[noble beacon]

Install v013 and see if it works

It doesn't feature the new NRC and DLSS4 tech

[vale gust]

I waited like 4 hours for this to download

now you want me to download v013

[noble beacon]

Idk i've never seen this😭

Usually It's either not working all together with all the legacy assets in place

[odd thicket]

Don’t hate on my boy 2060

[noble beacon]

or it's fine

[vale gust]

imagine that there's 0 lighting and I get 12 fps

[noble beacon]

Not a mixed bag

These are from v013

Maybe just maybe it'll work

[noble beacon]

I suppose you're active in the community, have there been any messages of Turing not working with nightly Remix builds?

Or low end Turing in particular

[vale gust]

I get same problem but flashlight is working

[noble beacon]

It's only because it's turned on in that rtx.conf. You can configure flashlight in Game Setup - Parameter Tuning - Fallback Light

Hmm

So do this, get RTX Remix Downloader and launch it and pick Stable releases.

[odd thicket]

I haven’t seen anything on it, @potent cedar is using Turing

[noble beacon]

It'll download stable build with no fancy new NRC stuff

And put all downloaded files in Bin

[noble beacon]

May god have mercy on his soul

https://github.com/Kim2091/RTX-Remix-Downloader/releases/tag/v0.2.6

[vale gust]

yeah, I get it, no volumetrics for plebs like me

[potent cedar]

what attrocities are happening to turing users?

🥺

[noble beacon]

They're getting eaten alive

[noble beacon]

@vale gust ah, you need to pick debugoptimised builds for the assertion to be triggered

If you're debugging

[vale gust]

is there an option to not make the game stay on top all the time

[noble beacon]

Not that I know of, maybe there's something in bridge.conf in Bin\trex

It's all about windows and input so you might find it useful

[vale gust]

I found a way to avoid the assertion

[noble beacon]

[vale gust]

tell me if it works for you

[noble beacon]

Would that i could

[vale gust]

I caught bro lacking

it would be funny if I deleted it before you got back to pc

maybe I will do that

[noble beacon]

Wasted opportunity

Already downloaded

[vale gust]

do you actually shit while looking at your phone

[noble beacon]

I actually shat while looking at my phone

But it's not relevant

[noble beacon]

What is, kind sir David, is that IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@light palm Implement ASAP
#1313627595815911448 message

[vale gust]

I am deleting it now

[noble beacon]

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