Painkiller

[light palm]

whats your vision? sounds interesting 🙂

looks very flat with no direct lights and no fog and stuff like the origina

just ambient skylight

[noble beacon]

It's not something you must do right away, so take it as a mere suggestion for now. That script of yours, it's only good for the initial playtest, so we'll need to perform a full levels overhaul later down the line. Take a look at the screenshots and think what do you see

[light palm]

absolutely agree

it's good to get the lights kind of in there, and get the levels sort of playable

[noble beacon]

How the scene looks miles more natural without the script made lights

It's only dark because it needs manual care

But even so it looks better

[light palm]

one of the challenges is that the game was originally lit non-physically

which remix is not built to emulate

ie. on atrium there is a strong light shining into the church, but that strong light doesnt exist just outside it lol

[noble beacon]

It's solvable

[light palm]

and then in the next room the strong light is directly above, instead of angled like in the room before

[noble beacon]

We could just edit the maps themselves or simply add abstract light sources like the white windows in Cathedral

it doesn't look bad by any means

[light palm]

we could use the rect lights with tight angle to have localised "quasi directional" light

[noble beacon]

I also did a real quick showcase of how it should be so that others undestand better what we are talking about
https://youtu.be/8o5Egnm2XEM
https://youtu.be/6JknbPn2EAM

First vid is the current fake light, the second is how it should be (assuming that red lights are the only light sources)

Many areas in the first vid look unnaturally lit and then suddenly dark

It will never happen if we're making it right

[light palm]

i tried attaching lights to the swinging torches last night but unfortunately as soon as the physics get activated on them the mesh hashes are no longer stable

[noble beacon]

I also tried and had a hint of success, just needed to lift all the flags from the fires

But what I failed to do is to add separate green lights to these green fires

They have the same hash as the red lights

[light palm]

Add this to your mod.usda

and remove the non custom lights one from the mod usda

[noble beacon]

I don't understand why they're not emitting red light though

[light palm]

so you attached lights to the particle effects using remix toolkit? i confuse

[noble beacon]

Yes, I made the fires emissive in the Toolkit

And lifted all the flags

[light palm]

ahh true

theres a setting that has to be turned on for emissive particles to really light stuff up

quality setting

its unordered rays in something something

also i think if you want changes made via toolkit to alpha stuff like particles and flames, you need to turn off the alpha settings in remix that interpret alpha stuff

[noble beacon]

You have any idea what's going on here? Green and Red fires have the same hash, yet only the Red fires emit light. And if I pick the Green fires in the Toolkit and give them green light, the Red fires start emitting green

But not the Green fires

[light palm]

yes

it is vertex colors

you can check this by changing the vertex color weigh setting in remix in game

they use the same material

so a different method has to be used to have them actually look different via remix toolkit

ie. replacement geom or something

for example for the weapon lights, i edited the scripts so that the particle effects also spawned a unique mesh which had a stable hash that i could get remix to tie a light to

[noble beacon]

Yes it'll work, just need to add unique meshes in such places as in Atrium

[light palm]

perhaps

because the particle effects which are not weapon related are not necessarily scripted in the same way the weapons are

i think its possible

but would have to make sure

the good thing is, setting it up with the scripts would make all places where that specific effect is used have the light as well

there is a lot of fun to be had making these levels look awesome!

[noble beacon]

I think we don't need any scripting at all for such matters

We could just add some dummy meshes via level editor to tie lights to

[light palm]

we can't attach meshes via remix toolkit to the flames though because they don't have hashes do they? i cant remember

[noble beacon]

No, 3D editor

Maya

[light palm]

thats to get particles to emit light

turn that on

[light palm]

ahh interesting idea

these settings kind of override changes you mgiht make to alpha textures in toolkit:

[noble beacon]

David will help

To open the level in 3D Editor and put it back

[light palm]

if you turn this to zero you see all the particle effects lose their unique colors

also someone told me that for alpha particles and decals n stuff, something about changing blend mode to "greater" is the go
if disabling the legacy alpha

[noble beacon]

So, yeah

If you need a stable hash, you can just slab some shit in Maya or smth

[light palm]

yummmmmy

luvs me some stable hashes

[noble beacon]

Developers used Maya to make PK levels, I don't know if there is a way for other software

[light palm]

i used 3dsmax for the skyboxes but i feel maya is going to be better

[noble beacon]

There is a guide on how to export a 3DSMax map to Painkiller
http://pkrc.ru/publ/prochee/paineditor/glava_ii_urok_5_kompiljacija_karty_iz_3ds_max_v_painkiller/15-1-0-72

It is from a series of guides on creating a PK level

Probably should ask David if these guides are still relevant

[light palm]

@noble beacon are you using painkiller which has a maps1.pak as well as a maps.pak?

sorry maps2.pak

[vale gust]

should've thought that Maps2 will take priority

[austere zealot]

https://youtu.be/DgGbwlWRStk

[light palm]

i suspect maps2 has an Atrium, Prison, Train Station, Abandoned Factory, Military Base overwriting my changes

[austere zealot]

my swamp looks like this 😆 tried restarting, but same every time

[vale gust]

yes

you are correct

it has all of those

[light palm]

yeah swamp is not completed, same for us

[vale gust]

just pack a 0 bytes Maps2.pak in your update

[noble beacon]

Same, it needs to be worked on

[vale gust]

also a 0 bytes Maps1.pak if there is a rare specimen who updated from 1.0 to 1.64

[light palm]

playable but not, like, polished up, same for many other levels

[light palm]

that's a good idea. thanks again 🙂

[light palm]

that big guy looks cool tho 🙂

[noble beacon]

Yeah that's unexpected

I'd expect Remix to shit it's pants

[light palm]

i changed his material to be translucent 😜

Is that bad? 😮

[noble beacon]

That glossy ground made me think that you didn't touch the level at all

And Remix magically made him look so

lol

[light palm]

the glossy ground i also did

but unfortunately the same material is also used for the island in the middle and not just the swamp water

so everything got shiny

it's just to put in a replacement mesh, ez pz

yeah try deleting your maps2 @noble beacon and see if atrium is still broken

"Maps2.pak"

[noble beacon]

Just imagine the future, where you let the AI play and analyze the game so that it would think "Right, it's supposed to be translucent. I'll make it so in the Remix"

I think it's more than realistic scenario

[noble beacon]

It's fine now

Will check all levels just to be sure

[light palm]

its only 4 levels in maps2

[noble beacon]

Yeah

[light palm]

apart from multiplayer levels

[noble beacon]

Wait

Gotta check Prison

[light palm]

true

maybe i fucked that one up myself

[noble beacon]

It has a different issue. There is skylight at least

maps2.pak levels did not have it

[light palm]

looks like prison does have the lights, its just that the windows on the roof are not set to translucent, so the skylight isnt coming in

further into the level you can see the lights which were added

use pcflymode

[noble beacon]

Yes, I assumed it had the same issue as Atrium and the others because that's how it looks like when you load it

xdd

[light palm]

yep pretty dark lol

fixing now

[noble beacon]

The most translucent material

[noble beacon]

I might have an another idea how to make certain fires emit green and red light despite them having a common material

[light palm]

we like ideas in here 🙂

[noble beacon]

What if we just clone that material, so that it would have a different hash. Then we attach the original one to the Red lights, and the new one to the Green

Is this possible?

[vale gust]

we would like a method that doesn't increases games size by another 10 GB

[light palm]

lights can only be attached to meshes, not materials afaik

[vale gust]

you know, can't I just tell where in memory the meshes are located to remix

[light palm]

at least proper lights

when something has an unstable hash there might be ways to get it stable by changing how remix hashes stuff

i tested everything i thought to test though and couldnt get things stable

you can change these using rtx.conf
[09:46:52.307] info: Geometry generation hash rule:
[09:46:52.307] info: positions
[09:46:52.307] info: indices
[09:46:52.307] info: texcoords
[09:46:52.307] info: geometrydescriptor
[09:46:52.307] info: vertexlayout
[09:46:52.307] info: vertexshader
[09:46:52.307] info: Geometry asset hash rule:
[09:46:52.307] info: positions
[09:46:52.307] info: indices
[09:46:52.307] info: geometrydescriptor

[noble beacon]

I noticed that Hash sum is the same as the Material name, so if we would use a different (cloned) material for different fires we could make them emit different light

[light palm]

this is what it uses to generate hashes

[noble beacon]

Maybe I messed something up

A moment

[light palm]

hmmm interesting

[noble beacon]

Lemme check real quick

[light palm]

i think prison looks quite nice with pathtraced shadows

[noble beacon]

Okay nvm
Material takes it's name from the hash, not the other way around. So we must do something about the mesh anyhow

Sorry

[noble beacon]

It's amazing

You can clearly see the difference between the indoor levels that rely on scripted lights and outdoor levels

[noble beacon]

By outdoor I mean those that have more skylight in them

prison included, how beautifully sun pours in

[noble beacon]

@vale gust
Are these red and green fires like some entities that you place in PainEditor? Not in Maya, yes?

Can we like clone them, so that we would have a new entity available in PainEditor
Like, original [entity_name] and [entity_name_copy] with a different name

And how can we alter these entities besides vertex color? Can we apply a different texture to them?

Our problem is that Remix hashes green and red lights as the same mesh, therefore we can't attach different emission color to them. It's either green or red for both of them

So we need Remix to hash them as different meshes

Make them different things on Engine level

[light palm]

The fire and other effects are defined in the .ini, .pfx and .lua files, mostly in LScripts

you can see where the vertex colors are set in the .ini

[noble beacon]

I love it when Polish devs name stuff in Polish xdd

I 100% understand what Swiecznik means

I don't know how non slavic dudes comprehend this stuff

If you open PainEditor every thing is in Polish

[light palm]

hehe yeah its a bit tricky for me

kamyk is like "pebble" or something though right

sneig is like snow=?

i speak a scandinavian language and theres a tiny bit of crossover but not much

this is the green flame from atrium, because they all use the same smoke.tga, remix gives them the same material hash

if we want a separate material hash its just to duplicate flame.tga and change one pixel and then specify that new .tga in the ini file

and it will get a new material hash from remix

but that wouldnt help us a whole lot for adding lights, for that its probably to edit the scripting to also spawn a mesh in addition to the billboards

like i did for the weapons

[noble beacon]

Yes and yes

Snow in Proto-Indo-European language actually sounds almost the same

Snieg

[noble beacon]

It's notable that you understand Kamyk though

It's mainly a Proto-Slavic word

Germanic peoples use a different root for pebbles/stones

[light palm]

mostly from the context the word was used in in the files

[noble beacon]

Have you heard of Russenorsk?

Fun stuff

[light palm]

hmmm not really

[noble beacon]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russenorsk

Pidgins are grammatically simple languages with limited vocabulary for specific purposes

Trading, first of all

[vale gust]

Maya only has geometry, there is no light, particles or other stuff

[vale gust]

yes, particles use the same 3 or 4 textures, but they are modified by code to look like they look now

you know, there should be a better method than to just search things by hash that can also collide with other stuff

[light palm]

😉

[noble beacon]

Good stuff!
Is it the script in use?

[light palm]

yeah its a .CItem script

[noble beacon]

So it's only a matter of time now until all the lighting is manually replaced 🙂

[vale gust]

doesn't look too good, the base of the particle remains the same size, yet the ground's light intensity changes too much while it should've remained constant

[noble beacon]

Perhaps if we could somehow get rid of these small particles and leave the fire itself, it would be more stable

These little thingies emit just as much light as the fire

which is the cause of this flickering I believe

[robust hollow]

you can probably just ignore them in the remix overlay

[noble beacon]

A lot in this game have exactly the same hash so you can't really ignore stuff

You can only spawn new stuff to fix your issues

[noble beacon]

It is not the same light though, is it? I don't observe these little dots shooting in all directions on Atrium lights

[light palm]

for example

if you want to try you could extract your Levels.pak to Levels folder, then delete your Levels.pak,
Then go to \Data\Levels\C1L2_Atrium_Complex and delete the CParticleFX folder, then extract this into the \Data\Levels\C1L2_Atrium_Complex\CItem folder

all the fire will show green light for now cos im not finished

[light palm]

Those meshes are intentionally added as thats the only way to get a stable hash on the particle effects. It's the same method i used to add custom lights to the weapon effects.
The effect is of course not complete. Usually I scale down the meshes until theyre invisible.

[light palm]

If i just wanted constant light that would be easy. I want moving / animated light to simulate flickering flames

actually use this one if you want to try

again, THIS IS NOT FINAL EFFECT im just showing that I get it working.

oh and delete atrium lights from your mod.usda

[noble beacon]

What pak extractor do you use?

[light palm]

heres one

drag and drop the pak file on top of it

its smart to make a new folder first called Levels for example thjen put this exe and the levels pak in there

then drag and drop on top

the lights in the 7z file are totally screwed, flickering really slow. gimme a sec to fix

[noble beacon]

"CItem the best.7z" incoming

[light palm]

lol yep

[light palm]

give these a shot

oops script error

hang on

[vale gust]

how is it even better then

are you scamming us

[light palm]

Yes

[noble beacon]

"CItem the best.7z" incoming

x2

[vale gust]

and you will see it is just CItem better but renamed

[noble beacon]

The worst fucking CItem.7z ever

[noble beacon]

do you like what you see

do you wanna be testing this

👽

[noble beacon]

Give me a couple of patches

i'll get there

[vale gust]

I used to have every version of Painkiller: Hell & Damnation, so it initially went to like 200 GB before I moved it to external storage

[noble beacon]

Painkiller: Gówno & Bober

[light palm]

also put that in your \Data\LScripts\Templates\Items

not finished but good start

[noble beacon]

Suspicious Items.7z

Not specified how actually good it is

[vale gust]

since it supposedly only gets better

it means this one is the worst one

[noble beacon]

Yeah probably should wait a little until Adams says "oops it blows up your apartment"

Okay I'm willing to take that risk

[noble beacon]

There was no \Items dir so I created it

[light palm]

thats the way 👍

love it

we could quite easily replace all the lamps with ones that swing and move

would probably make more sense for me to attach a cylinderlight isntead of a sphere light as well cos the fire is more long than round

[noble beacon]

https://youtu.be/76VcEPA9zOI

Wow it's really nice

So much better without these @./C1L2_Atrium_Complex_Lights.usda@

The red light is too warm I'd say

[light palm]

yeah i just used one i had laying around so i didnt have to go and bind it in remix toolkit

ill do it properly as i go along

If you want to play around, this converts the CParticleFX stuff for atrium into CItem stuff, put in Atrium CParticleFX folder and run
'''

[noble beacon]

What do you think of these shadows? They might look kinda jarring in close spaces like this

Perfectly fine in more open areas though

[light palm]

yeah thats why the cylinder lights would be better

[vale gust]

yo, what's this, Python, you for sure wanna kill all the fps remaining

[noble beacon]

That's what we do

Fpskiller

[light palm]

dude its just a script to convert files

relax ay

[noble beacon]

Kill the fraaames
Lags will reeeign

Official Mech soundtrack

[noble beacon]

It is eastern european humour

You westerners can't comprehend things

[light palm]

ahh u sneaky bastards 😛

[light palm]

cyl lights

[austere zealot]

Has anyone checked Factory? Its a disco club outside 😆

[noble beacon]

Looks fine to me

You do need to delete Maps2.pak from Data to make it lit

Not sure about disco though

Didn't you enable these by any chance?

[noble beacon]

Also FrameGen enabled causes something I'd describe as disco

[austere zealot]

I only disabled culling

I will check again

[noble beacon]

Just to make sure, to disable culling you need to disable it in both Remix settings and in game, replacing Engine.dll in Bin with this one

Assuming that you have 1920x1080 display

Here's one for 2560x1440
It's a little different than the previous file though

Might take a few frames

[austere zealot]

https://youtu.be/S0HFAG52zEw

[austere zealot]

I reloaded the same checkpoint with this and it seems to be fixed. I will try to reload whole level later

[light palm]

looks like a culling issue. also loading saves breaks a lot of things unless its exactly the same version you saved it on. loading autosaves at the start of the level is the best bet

make sure anti-culling meshes is turned on

[noble beacon]

Definitely culling then, if this DLL helped

[light palm]

ahh i see that at the end of the video you have anticulling objects turned off

turn that on unless you have the culling disabled engine.dll

which hasnt been released officially yet

[noble beacon]

I sent him needed engine.dll

[light palm]

ahh cool 🙂

[noble beacon]

anticulling objects are not needed

[noble beacon]

@austere zealot make sure anti-culling meshes is turned OFF 😄

[light palm]

i think i got a few fps by using the custom fixed function d3dev.dll and not using shadermodel = 0 in dxvk.conf (which spits out tons of errors)

give it a try if you like. i think i got 2 or 3 fps when i used this and turned off shadermodel = 0

ill probably implement it in next release

[noble beacon]

https://youtu.be/cTyS9nWiVDQ

Can't say I notice any improvement 😄

1. Default D3Dev
2. Custom D3Dev (1st run)
3. Custom D3Dev (2nd run)

[light palm]

eeey! it's not worse 😄

[vale gust]

can you not use the word "fixed", by that I understand that D3Dev had a bug and you fixed it

[light palm]

fuxed function ?

[vale gust]

well, what bug did you fix then

[noble beacon]

I think ingame benchmark's end numbers could be kinda off

I'll try to count 1% FPS via Rivatuner

[light palm]

it looks like the results are within margin of error

thanks for testing @noble beacon !

[vale gust]

did you do a 2nd run with the default D3Dev

[noble beacon]

No, only the 1st is

[light palm]

Fixed function is the technical term:
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/direct3d9/fixed-function-vertex-processing

in painkiller's case it could be more specifically stated as forcing the HWTnL path

as the skybox still uses vertex shaders when using the HWTnL path (afaik)

GenericTnL rather

[noble beacon]

Yeah that's why skybox position is acting weird when shadermodel = 0

[light palm]

yep

[vale gust]

there is a parameter -hwclass where you can specify TNL

[light palm]

oh

lol

how do you find out all available parameters

[vale gust]

ghidra

[light palm]

what section?

[vale gust]

search for string, put minimum length to 2 and search for "-*"

[light palm]

alright cheers

that would have saved me many hours lol

but hey i learned stuff along the way 🙂

[vale gust]

it is +hwclass, not -hwclass sorry

[vale gust]

where is NV40?

[light palm]

not sure, that was just from one of the lua files

i think its used to change which video options are available in the menus or something

[vale gust]

anyway, are you sure of TNL? Because some shaders are made to look worse on that one.

[light palm]

i'm not sure what you mean entirely, however remix has a lot of difficulty handling shaders, so being able to get the engine not to use shaders as much as possible is beneficial for remix compatibility

[vale gust]

painkiller has specific shaders depending on which hwclass you play

[light palm]

yep thats why forcing tnl path is beneficial for remix, because it disables many shaders

which remix struggles with

[vale gust]

example

[light palm]

for example, running without forcing tnl path results in a garbled mess in remix

[light palm]

i was looking at these trying to figure out what was going on, I didn't spend much time on it however

[vale gust]

I think that TNL will not be able to render blood on corpses

since nv20 uses a 2 layers palskin

and tnl uses fixedntu

can somebody test that

[light palm]

can test it without remix, however if remix struggles with the shaders that are non fixedntu then it doesn't mean a great deal for this use case unless remix is developed to handle these types of cases, which is unreasonable to expect afaik

[vale gust]

I would suggest something else

[light palm]

whats that

[vale gust]

instead of fixing the function

[light palm]

always open to suggestions!

[vale gust]

why not make an exe that has "+hwclass tnl" and one without

you know, freedom of choice

[light palm]

because without hwclass tnl the game is a garbled mess in remix, so the usefulness is limited of that path at the moment

[vale gust]

or have an option in the menu to chose the hwclass

ok then

[light palm]

in this specific remix use case at least

ill send you a screenshot or 2 to demonstrate, just a sec

[noble beacon]

Fixed function is pretty much a requirement. Remix operates by intercepting fixed function drawcalls that are easy to understand

Shaders are complex

You can't do nothing about them

Because they're cryptic

[light palm]

it would be nice if more of the more advanced shaders and effects worked in remix, i haven't thoroughly tested however. If we had more granular control over which shaders exactly used which things, we might be able to find a few cases where we get improved visuals without sending remix uninterpretable stuff

i have my doubts though, because handling them would likely need heuristics pre-implemented in the remix runtime

it might be easier to implement those heuristics into the remix runtime github

[noble beacon]

Rivatuner numbers showed nothing as well

Well, it works 🙂

[light palm]

without fixed function

[light palm]

Thanks mister! we should test the flag @vale gust mentioned to force hwclass tnl, maybe that helps. it's a long shot but never know

[vale gust]

yeah it definitely works

[light palm]

Nice!

[vale gust]

and yes, the corpses unfortunately no longer have blood on them when you gib them

[light palm]

yea we need a shader that does that without using vertex or pixel shaders really

for it to work in remix

[vale gust]

actually I will look for things that are affected

their emissive texture is completely gone

this is bad because some enemies are distinguished by their emissive texture

[noble beacon]

Yeah

It is easily fixable though

Just need to make emission maps and apply it in the Toolkit

[vale gust]

some depth test problems with alpha textures

fog not working properly

how it is supposed to look

everything is in overbright mode

and that's about it, freezing seems to work properly

ah yes, also water looks like shit

[noble beacon]

Fog, overbright and water is fine. All of this is handled by the Remix

Let me check depth test

[vale gust]

there should be a ripple effect on this portal

but there isn't any it is just plain

[noble beacon]

Is this the place?

[vale gust]

upper floor

where the chests are

[noble beacon]

Fun stuff, these are only present in pcflymode

[vale gust]

I like how you can see the Orphanage's interior from there

I also am getting a lot less FPS with TnL

[noble beacon]

Ugh, I've alt+tabbed and now it's present in normal mode, but only transparent in pcflymode

What does pcflymode do?

Besides the obvious

[vale gust]

well, I don't know it is supposed to affect that

it teleports the player to coordinates 0 400 0

and you enter free camera mode

[noble beacon]

I'd say Ignore that shit and place our own mesh

It's weird

Also the coins are white bruh

somethings wrong in the usda

[vale gust]

tnl is racist

[noble beacon]

Nah it's wrongly configured usda

meaning mod is shit completely unplayab;e

[light palm]

those are silver coins not goild 😛

[vale gust]

are you sure they are supposed to glow like that

[noble beacon]

YES

[vale gust]

I can't even see the texture

[noble beacon]

YES

[vale gust]

they look like lightbulbs

[noble beacon]

For the better

My lightbulbvs

[light palm]

open coins usda and increase emissive value by x99999

[noble beacon]

That's what I'm talking about
10\10 mod

Also overexxagarate rocks Parallax occlusuion

So that there would be mountains

[light palm]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-bright-light-gif-12102399198230618243

[noble beacon]

https://youtu.be/gYFYeeu7ErM

[vale gust]

now do coinlight_lowintensity

[noble beacon]

Ain't no way

[vale gust]

how is it testing if you don't do both

sounds more like propaganda testing

[noble beacon]

Yes

Preaching testing

[light palm]

😂

[noble beacon]

tears of happiness surely

[noble beacon]

Good news, FrameGen in Painkiller is working now with the new 572.16 drivers (January 30th)
https://youtu.be/lGnbd63AwRI

It's an old CNN model, I'm yet to try the new Transformer one

[vale gust]

it just dropped, you found about it, installed, and also tested it

[noble beacon]

Not yet, this is old model in the vid

The thing is it didn't work in Painkiller before for some reason

[noble beacon]

New model
https://youtu.be/P78DvqPk1Qo

Bruh what

[vale gust]

I think Frame Gen is supposed to make it smoother, not glitchy

[noble beacon]

Wise observation

[vale gust]

so is this because of the driver update, should I not update

[noble beacon]

This is the new DLSS model injected in Remix behaves so

The driver update fixed old model's FrameGen in Painkiller

I reverted to the old model and FrameGen is no longer working o_O

[noble beacon]

It appears that I simply got lucky, since FrameGen does start to work fine in like 20 game reboots

Otherwise it's either flickering or crashing the game

it's very random

Perhaps I should make an issue on Github

@austere zealot Is FrameGen working on your machine?

If it is restart and check again 🙂

[vale gust]

is this RTX Remix open source?

[noble beacon]

Yep

[austere zealot]

originally it did not, crashed

did you manage to fix it?

oh I see the new drivers. Will try

[noble beacon]

It's random. It worked right after I've installed the new drivers, so I assumed they fixed it

Then I realized it's just completely random

[austere zealot]

Maybe its for the better 😆 . This kind of shooter needs as much responsiveness as possible (raw frames)

[noble beacon]

Still it might be useful

It shouldn't be just left broken

Also it has quite a potential of breaking the system badly

Don't know if you read the bug I got recently

That made me physically turn off the PC lol

[austere zealot]

It works, double the frames

but everything is flickering so hard, like a movie roll

[noble beacon]

Yes

Same

[austere zealot]

unplayable in other words

also, do you have a v sync bug?

When I launch the game, mouse has a latency to it

unless I disable and then enable v sync

[noble beacon]

I thought this latency was caused by the Vsync itself

I play without it

Kinda annoying that it forces itself on every launch though

[austere zealot]

btw castle has some transparent ground 😆

[noble beacon]

Crawl in there, take the armor

[light palm]

i was investigating this a few days ago, these meshes use a large mask texture
I guess either it doesn't render when PK is in genericTnL mode, or remix doesn't like the texture/material

[vale gust]

yes, TNL does not like blend maps and alpha maps

not even the flashlight works

this is really a poor man's setting

[noble beacon]

Painkiller devs made sure that RTX 2060 owners could play their game

[wet shuttle]

based polaks

they went on to make Fortnite didn't they?

[dusk jasper]

Yes, PCF is one of studios making Fortnite

[noble beacon]

They're not the same people though, it's a different team

Adrian Chmielarz's team are in The Astrounauts, working on Witchfire

[noble beacon]

I should try it someday. Not a fan of the genre

[dusk jasper]

Quite usual thing for studios that are living for more than 5 years, Infinity Ward, Bioware, Blizzard, Ubisoft Montreal, they all have quite different people nowadays than at their gold days

Ofc there is exceptions, like Croteam, but that's the thing, its exceptions, not a rule

[noble beacon]

Valve also

To some degree

[dusk jasper]

Yes, they're also exceptions

[austere zealot]

Hello, is babel working for anyone?

[noble beacon]

It loads, eventually

Odd thing

[wet shuttle]

perfect game for rtx

[noble beacon]

Yeah, literally ideal

Very compatible with Remix and has culling that can be turned off completely

And amazing visuals on top of that

[vale gust]

emissive texture still missing

[austere zealot]

so you just wait a bunch? I've found that some stuff is missing in the logs

[noble beacon]

Takes a minute or two

Or three

Or some

[noble beacon]

Alright I'll get to it

A moment

[noble beacon]

https://youtu.be/NHndeagU73s

A little skill issue here, cuz I have no idea why is it white

bruh

[vale gust]

their eyes are also not glowing

[noble beacon]

Yeah I simply highlighted metallic parts to see how it'll look

[light palm]

nice man! i found that you can get the emissive mask textures from the textures.pak and bring them into remix toolkit 👍

new release in about an hour

[light palm]

the emissive mask texture can have color to it, then you get the right colors

check the emissive mask texture i used on the cemetery endboss

also the metallic and roughness mask textures

hand-customised those ones

[noble beacon]

In other words, Emission Color parameter in the Toolkit does not affect the color of the emission mask texture, but the contents of the texture itself do?

[light palm]

for example the loony park emissive texture is this

the color param on emission is only used if you dont use an emissivve mask texture

ie. if u have a texture there the color param is ignored

[noble beacon]

Would be kinda useful not to ignore it though

If we had to make the textures ourselves

To be able to change the emission color in real time in the Toolkit

Or is there a way to do so?

[light palm]

not that i am aware of

[noble beacon]

Nice, will check on it in about 12hours 😄

1:50AM

I wonder how does one end up in Australia

[light palm]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/painkiller-rtx-remix/downloads/painkiller-rtx-remix-v012-lite#downloadsform

[light palm]

Full-fat version takes a while to upload

I want to do a "Brutal" version with obscene amounts of blood and gore

[noble beacon]

I've woken up just to tell that this is fucking unacceptable

I'll hack into your ModDB account and inject the rightful 9999 intensity coinlight.usda

Zzzzzzz

💭💤🛌😴

[light palm]

hehehe

[vale gust]

I can finally see the texture

now do the same for the silver ones

[noble beacon]

You can see the texture now but can't see the reason to live

It's over

[noble beacon]

What about that
You can see the reason to live AND the texture

For those who needs the holy light, put this in
Bin\rtx-remix\mods\PainkillerRTXRemix

@light palm The coins are actually thicker then they appear, making them levitate above the ground and cast this circle of light

Needs configuring the replaced asset a bit

Also the ROCKS are BACK

10/10 MOD

Huge kudos for that one

Old Cemetery lighting/New Cemetery lighting

I love placing the Painkiller's beam in random places to see how it would change the scenery

Now this is art

[noble beacon]

Lighting in Atrium is much more subtle and pleasant
Before:

[vale gust]

no After I see

[noble beacon]

After

nice

Could use a couple more lanterns in some places

[vale gust]

the light from the outside should've lighten it up through indirect illumination

[noble beacon]

Thankfully every thing is emissive so it's never dark during fights 😄

[noble beacon]

Yeah I've been noticing this shortage of indirect GI too

Perhaps needs some tweaking in rtx.conf

[robust hollow]

if you rely too heavily on emissives it can cause issues

[noble beacon]

Is there a setting that makes Indirect lighting more "aggressive"? Apparent?

Changing bounces count does not do

[noble beacon]

Just need to make the sky emit more light

Look from the outside

But these newly placed fires become non important in that case

So here's what I propose
Just make the sky in Atrium look a little grim and overcast, and simply place more lights in dark areas

So that Adams's work on dynamic lights wouldn't be for nothing

[light palm]

already fixed in 0.1.2. the coin light radius was too high, causing it to clip into other surfaces

[light palm]

re/enabling RTXDI did this afaik

[light palm]

ahh nice find yeah that looks better

[noble beacon]

So I've broken it with my coinlight.usda tweaks 😉

[noble beacon]

Yeah, also this thing makes quite a noticeable difference overall. For example it makes shadows from the lanterns in Atrium halls more coherent, especially when observing from some distance

Will send side by side comparison if needed

[noble beacon]

I dunno, the inner bailey looks quite washed out that way, hence my overcast and placing more lights in the halls instead proposal

[noble beacon]

Try and simply change the sky texture to the overcast one and that's all. That way the little amount of indirect lighting wouldn't be so surreal

[noble beacon]

https://imgsli.com/MzQ1NTc3

Huge improvement in shading quality across pretty much all scenes

Take a note, when testing and toggling RTXDI On/Off you need to "sweep" the old image away first

just shake the camera

[noble beacon]

I'm gonna binge this shit, so excuse me in advance if i disappear 😄

[wet shuttle]

see you in a month 😈

[noble beacon]

@vale gust
https://youtu.be/vpWEV6tSLfg

Playable now?

[vale gust]

why do they glow like that, do they have lava leaking out of them

and that's one hell of a dark level

weren't you supposed to be busy with Kingdom Come Deliverance 2

[noble beacon]

Because it's cool bruh

[noble beacon]

It's just that this emissive mask is the only replacement in the mod

Everything else is missing in that vid

[noble beacon]

It's 2 hours until it is released

[austere zealot]

looks so good 😍

[austere zealot]

finally managed to finish babel. There's a BIG freeze towards the end of the level as well 😶‍🌫️

[noble beacon]

Yeah this level is cursed

I remember it being flawed in the original game

Random Lua script crashes and whatnot

[noble beacon]

There is fucking SSR reflections in Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 on max settings, and the very first minutes of cutscenes and gameplay sequence is around water

Just why

It's been almost 5 years since RT capable consoles' release

[austere zealot]

just finished Hell. Lucifer looks so good. And the ghosts too!

[vale gust]

why is it so different

shouldn't it just be upscaled

it seems like the AI made some artistic changes

[noble beacon]

It's called Diffusion

When the model is imagining new details

[light palm]

tecnhically upscaling without imagining more detail somehow is just blurring the image or duplicating pixels

you can't just "enhance", the detail isn't there

like in the movies

[robust hollow]

there is diffusion (and general upscaling) that doesn't change the source a bunch

#1216200397497045002 and #1263287747905327236 do this. very faithful

[robust hollow]

i tried the input image there in this: https://huggingface.co/spaces/NightRaven109/TextureUpscaleBeta

which is a beta version of PBRFusion's latest upscaler. but it just refused to work for some reason

it worked now. had to resize it by 50% first

[light palm]

not bad

it would be nice to have a model which removes shadows from what is supposed to be albedo textures

kind of like agisoft delighter

[robust hollow]

very very difficult to do

both me and nightraven have tried

[light palm]

need a ton of training data

yeah i can't think of a simple way to automate it

seeing delighter relies on manual tagging of shadow areas

and requires the texture to be on a 3d mesh

[robust hollow]

we've tried SR models, diffusion, style transfer, and night tried a bunch more separately from that

afaik none really worked out

[light palm]

i know

train a model to take photoscans and put them into delighter and tag them and then build a dataset of lit and delit textures

ez

[robust hollow]

we already have a massive dataset of that

[light palm]

ahh no way

still no go eh

[robust hollow]

nope 😦

[light palm]

might be a fun uni project

try to crack that nut

i'd be learning from scratch tho

[robust hollow]

we wrote a script for InstaMAT that takes high quality textures and then bakes them with lighting, so we have a huge high quality dataset

[light palm]

ahhh thats smart

[robust hollow]

it'd probably need a custom architecture of some kind and a ton of training

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004239544729751572/1336943883279401001/image_upscaled.png?ex=67a5a584&is=67a45404&hm=4123893bc27f406bbf234e57a7b0b8c09e5c8156c8813014b88f994422903e94&

that's my upscaling model

night's outperforms it quite a bit, but does also take far longer to run

[light palm]

been using this one

[odd thicket]

Will be making a showcase video on how it runs on AMD hardware

[light palm]

The upscaling tools?

[odd thicket]

The game

[light palm]

ahh awesome! would love to see it 🙂

[noble beacon]

It will run like total garbage on an RX 7600 bruh

[odd thicket]

Doubt, it doesn’t seem hard to run

Most intense Remix game so far was Need for Speed which got like 30-40fps

[light palm]

Eeeeevil

[light palm]

lite version is quite a bit more performant

[odd thicket]

I’ll be running the regular version

[odd thicket]

@light palm does Painkiller ship with the 0.6.1 runtime? Because that’s the version that fixes AMD volumetrics and I would love to show off that

[light palm]

The one on moddb uses rather recent artifacts

[odd thicket]

I can tell, I loaded it up and Volumetrics work

[light palm]

ooooh nice

hows it look?

the volumetrics are mostly turned right down, almost not noticeable, because it doesn't work well on all levels

[odd thicket]

amazing, I can also do either FSR performance or ultra performance, Performance gets me like 40s while Ultra Performance gets me 60

[light palm]

but on the first level its nice to crank the volumetrics for more moody look and feel

hey thats really quite good

[odd thicket]

High settings causes stuttering on my GPU, so i'm doing medium with volumtrics on

[light palm]

you know how to tweak the volumetrics settings?

[odd thicket]

I see it's in the readme

[light palm]

something like this gets pretty dense

color multiscattering 0 is important, looks bad otherwise

[odd thicket]

Thanks

This was me testing earlier

VRAM usage is pretty good

[light palm]

way better performance than i expected

does that card have 12gb ram_

[odd thicket]

8GB

Also if I uncap the framerate at ultra performance, it’s more in the 70fps territory

Tho then I start getting screen tearing, lol

[light palm]

totally playable

[noble beacon]

What's the internal resolution?

[odd thicket]

Performance is 540p and Ultra Performance is 360p
Normal DLSS values for 1080p

[noble beacon]

Try and turn RTXDI off, I don't think there is much benefit from it in this resolution

Might get quite a handful of frames

[robust hollow]

RTXDI would be a huge benefit at that resolution, but it depends on the project and how many light sources there are

[odd thicket]

I’d like to showcase vanilla performance
If it was a RDNA 2 card, it would need more help

[robust hollow]

i'm ultra bored

so i was considering testing that 680m mini PC with remix to see how bad it'll be

[odd thicket]

Oof, I'd recommend at least an RDNA 3 APU
Or use Linux at least for the Mesa effiecency

[noble beacon]

Wait this sint off topic

[light palm]

the most important thing has been done

barrel leakage is no longer inverted

[noble beacon]

finally
Painkiller Remixed v1.0.0

available for $4.99 subscription on Patreon

[pallid saffron]

is it out in 1.0?

[light palm]

0.1

[light palm]

some lighting updates

[odd thicket]

Would look awesome on Steam, lol

[indigo oar]

Hell yeah so amazing 🔥

[light palm]

i installed the latest driver and couldnt load pk anymore

rolled back to 572.16

[vale gust]

skill issue

[light palm]

i need to click the icon harder

[austere zealot]

Skill issue confirmed also 😫

[light palm]

you had same problem?

[austere zealot]

yes, but Im too lazy for a rolllllback right now

DO NOT UPDATE, I REPEAT, MISSION ABORT

[noble beacon]

Could it be because of DLSS Transformer model injection? There's this change in 572.42:

[DLSS4] Resolved a compatibility issue caused by version mismatches between current and updated dynamic library files (Requires selecting Custom (Advanced) -> Perform clean installation during the driver installation process)

Just an assumption, never tested it

[light palm]

no idea really, hope the runtime bug gets fixed at some point

[robust hollow]

latest latest?

572.42?

that one has been completely stable for me

[austere zealot]

thats the one. Whats your gpu?

[robust hollow]

4090

i know it's stable on a 3090 as well

for the new driver, they say that you need to check "clean install" on the custom setup section

that fixes stability issues

that will unfortunately wipe your driver settings though

[light palm]

yep, no crashes for any other games, just an issue with painkiller rtx

[austere zealot]

lol I have the same, wtf 😆

[robust hollow]

and you guys did this step?

[light palm]

yea

[austere zealot]

not clean, dirty

[light palm]

i did the clean

[robust hollow]

i'll grab a copy of the game and test

[light palm]

it's always been a bit tricky to get it working somewhat consistently, we had to use the development build debug optimised version of bridge along with the development build release version of dxvk, and click an ignore button every game load and level load

but with the new driver it just says cant initialise dx9 and remix crashes every time (i think the dx9 error is from painkiller)

[austere zealot]

ehh, still does not launch after cleaning the drivers 😩

@robust hollow its all on you now, you are the last hope

[light palm]

i suspect that there is a shader compilation step occuring, because after a driver update even to a working driver, it crashes the first few attempts. but after that it seems ok

i guess once the shader cache is generated it loads more easily

but with the newer driver it just always crashed, tried probably close to 100 times

[austere zealot]

I got it working. Installed dirty studio driver and then restarted

[light palm]

latest version of studio driver or 572.16

[austere zealot]

I think latest, because I just clicked to switch and install whatever was offered

now switched back again to game driver and still doesn't work

ah it shows 572.16

[vale gust]

Yes, that is a Painkiller error

PCFSystem::InitVideo

actually, I will tell you guys exactly what triggers that error

give me a couple of minutes until I install everything

[vale gust]

The stack is like this:
PCFSystem::InitVideo
GraphicsDevice::Init
GraphicsDevice::SetRes
Inside of D3Dev.dll
100068d0 (RTX error happens here)
Yes, I know the stack is upside-down, I am not going to fix it

[vale gust]

honestly, I have no idea what to say more, sometimes the error appears while in 100068d0, other times while in 100053f0, doesn't seem to be consistent.

[robust hollow]

yeah no luck. bridge crashes which causes the game to crash

[light palm]

@noble beacon I haven't done much textures on C6L3 and beyond

[noble beacon]

Is it possible to select all the captured textures in one go?

[light palm]

or C2L5 and beyond

[light palm]

you can shift click stuff in the toolkit and then press queue in pbrify

definitely minimise the toolkit and leave it minimised while its processing though

and maybe not too many at once

[noble beacon]

I figured 😄

VRAM goes 999%

Is there a specific way I should package the textures to make it easy for you to use?

[light palm]

nah not really

just go nuts

some objects dont need roughness map or height map though, can "reset" those to empty in the toolkit to save on space

i find that the main challenge is that usually the roughness maps are miscalibrated, everything has approximately the same roughness

to get a real good result gotta modify them manually in gimp or something then re-ingest

time consuming though, better to just get a bunch of pbrify and worry about that later imo

some materials have a mixture of metal and not metal, for those gotta manually make a metallic mask, but again easier to worry about that later

[noble beacon]

To what kind of stuff do you usually apply Height maps?

Besides rocks

[light palm]

basically some things like smooth surfaces dont need em

like glass or things that are pretty flat

just the normal map is good enough for those

[noble beacon]

So, C2L5 and beyond that is?

[light palm]

the default height map value of 0.05 is usually too much as well
often i turn it down a bit

yeah

i did some on c5l1 and c5l2
and i did some on c6l1 and c6l2

[noble beacon]

Okay, I'll look into it

It's really fun though

Feels like playing with magic

[light palm]

hehe yeah its cool

i like how pbrify keeps the original texture art style

i have not done many enemies either

in those levels i havent touched

could be fun to do some of the bosses

or emissive enemies

[noble beacon]

Have you tried PBRFusion? I've had an idea to retexture all the stuff using it in case it's better

[light palm]

yeah its very similar to pbrify, but takes more time and work

i have been having a blast with this one hang on

it's possible to integrate rtx remix ingestion etc in that but i didnt do that yet

get good results though

[noble beacon]

It looks kinda smooth compared to the original

[noble beacon]

It feels different to the touch if you know what I mean

[light palm]

yeah gotta twiddle the knobs to get it right

these are just quickies

[noble beacon]

Weird question, do you imagine what would it feel like to touch some materials in videogames IRL? I do that all the time
Like, I know exactly how bad it would feel to glide over the first material with my fingernails

And quite fine over the second

[light palm]

yeah like the texture

blackboard in c6l1 😬

[noble beacon]

Also, when you say the number of the level, you are referring to it as it is in the game's map or in the files?
i.e. Cemetery is C1L4 in the files

Not sure if other levels are correct

[light palm]

cobble looks alright to me

[light palm]

mishmash of both >D

[vale gust]

does it work on the latest nvidia driver now

[light palm]

haven't tried

[noble beacon]

😮

Did you make any manual changes to the height map here?

[light palm]

nah its a material from polyhaven

[noble beacon]

So it's third party made material not of pk's origin?

[light palm]

yep

[robust hollow]

if at all possible, you should definitely use materials from polyhaven or freepbr for your project. they're a lot higher quality than the AI generated ones, even with the best tools around

[noble beacon]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1X7G3_pJ44sgy7v9IyqELs-6tb2N8cNoB?usp=sharing

PBRified Castle as a standalone mod

Some geometry just won't get captured making some walls transparent

besides that, I think it's nice overall

[light palm]

oooh lets have a looksee

i figured out the missing castle textures are because of shadermodel 0

so you can disable that in the dxvk.conf and take a capture of castle it should have the missing bits

actually that didnt work

the mesh is actually there with sm0 disabled and white textures turned on

setting it as terrain texture to get the mesh to show up

once we have the mesh we can just attach a retextured version to the ground or whatever

got it

just doing the capture with shadermodel 0 turned off and white textures enabled seems to do the trick

that way you get the texture bindings as well and can disable alpha on them

way easier

ill fix it up

[light palm]

actually the easiest way to do it is just replace the texture on the ground with some other texture that doesnt use alpha

it just fixes it

ie. just select this ground and replace the material with something else

---

maybe even dont have to replace the texture just disable alpha

for best quality though should definitely just replace the whole ground with a copy that has better UV mapping so the texture doesnt appear low resolution

im gon do it

blender my sweety

[noble beacon]

Is this brought to Blender via REST API?

[light palm]

ja

theres a nice plugin available

https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1289913588852592662

[vale gust]

you guys will use all 3d programs except Maya

[noble beacon]

Because maya sounds gay

[light palm]

gimme a free open source version of maya with a plugin for remix interop and im all over that

[noble beacon]

and it sounds gay

[light palm]

curb the casual homophobia guys

[noble beacon]

Gaykiller

[light palm]

my blender has locked up for 5 minutes so far cos i tried to open a directory with 1000 images in it

and its trying to regenerate all of the thumbs i guess

never doing that again 😄

[noble beacon]

🚾Is a genius of an emoji

[light palm]

water closet?

Wily Coyote?

[noble beacon]

World Conquest

[light palm]

not perfect but improvement

nice work on castle!

[vale gust]

you killed all the cobblestone on the ground

[light palm]

yeah it was an accident

i tripped and a knife fell out of my sock

a few times

and killed the cobblestone

[noble beacon]

Great! With my little to no experience I think that 0,03 displacement value is pretty much universal

Any workflow advice or useful tricks? What I do is bypassing Height and Roughness node groups when I don't need those

[light palm]

workflow advice> have a blast 😄

do what tickles your fancy hehe

[noble beacon]

Is it possible to highlight legacy materials in the Toolkit viewport?

[light palm]

i think im gonna open the castle scene in usd composer because i think i heard you could do "painting" in that

[light palm]

not that im aware of, i havent really looked though

maybe i can paint in some cobble and alpha blending on the edges or something

of the snow going up the walls

castle is awesome though

so nice with the bright snow to bounce light around

and imagine how sick it would look when they implement subsurface scattering in remix

[noble beacon]

Yeaah I remember reading this in their roadmap a long time ago

[light palm]

i have merged your changes into the main mod, i should do another release soon

[noble beacon]

What are you working on currently? I started on Chapter 4 so that we wouldn't be doing the same thing 😄

[light palm]

i did a bunch on C5L1

man heaps of stuff ay

ill release the current state so you can take a look

gonna be like 20gb

much to david's chagrin 😄

[vale gust]

@Binq Adams

my Maya exporter has a feature that can make the maps use textures from other map folders

that will reduce your 20 GB

[noble beacon]

But will it reduce our 200GB when we're done?

[light palm]

we will try to be reasonable and keep it under 1TB

[light palm]

makes no difference to the remix mod, we can already do that. i guess the challenge is that painkiller uses so many unique textures that its only a few per level at most that can be reused

[vale gust]

I am sorry, I have a 16 GB hard drive from 1990, I cannot install the new update

[light palm]

pretty sure thats a human rights violation

[vale gust]

why don't you upload the textures separately, so we don't have to download it whole when you update

[light palm]

already do

check moddb

[noble beacon]

Hold on, maybe I could do a couple of levels more

a couple of chapters

and painkiller games

[vale gust]

is this intentional

we have textures with so much black space

[light palm]

i wonder what it would look like to just generate PBR (roughness, height normals etc ) for the base textures but not upscale

yep intentional

[vale gust]

can't you do something about it

[light palm]

nope

theyre mask textures

could mod the levels to

split up the meshes

to assign separate textures per mesh

lots of work for minimal gain

[noble beacon]

It would look like death

[light palm]

using a better compression algo on the dds would be easiest

like this does not need to be 21mb

hmm
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/12801/

[noble beacon]

nexusmods/skyrim/mods💀

[noble beacon]

When you merge 2 mods, do duplicate materials get filtered out?
So it wouldn't be a bad practice if I sent you an upscaled slab or some piece of wood present in other 99 levels?

[light palm]

as long as we keep them all in that same ingested folder, all good

even though there are a lot of textures in there i think its the best way to do it because it avoids duplicating textures to different folders

i mean to tidy up the structure at some point

[noble beacon]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17DXzZFR6N_Wa34jgjosbWzCv3qa1hsq_?usp=sharing

PBRfied Palace

forge steel while it's hot

[light palm]

oh noice mate noice

that looks mighty fine

ill get an update out onto moddb in a few hours

[grim cargo]

👀

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https://www.moddb.com/mods/painkiller-rtx-remix/downloads

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"Lite" version for @vale gust also uploaded

I'll integrate Palace ASAP for the next release!

I haven't checked it out yet, gonna have a stickybeak 🙂

we need someone with a 5090 Ti Super quad SLI setup to make some cool videos and screenshots for marketing

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stickybeak

informal•Australian
noun
an inquisitive and prying person.

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aka you stick your beak into everything

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💀

[austere zealot]

it keeps getting heavier 😆

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https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13UdWXaXRfh2AqwDmcT7xa3dyYLmfqq5o?usp=sharing

PBRified Babel

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I see you did a lot of texture rework on Cemetery, nice!

Looks a lot better

However whatever you did it's not really good with text

How it was

Probably should revert materials that contain any sort of text

[indigo oar]

what are you guys using for texture upscales

amazing pbr materials

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"image.png" files are PBRify
"Screenshot" files are something new @light palm used in the latest mod version

[austere zealot]

Are you gonna dial down coins again in the next release?

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I have my own crazy coins fork

nobody loves them coins

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Coins the power of 1000 suns

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@indigo oar I can send you if you like it's a fixed diffusion thing

I posted the comfyui JSON above somewhere

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goood morning kangaroos🦘🦘🦘🦘🦘

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Ur lighting looks way better than mine

Wat did u do, is that just with skylight or

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It's only a subtle blueish sky texture emission

Can't really see tho

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Ja could use more indirect lighting from the sun

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increase sky brightness mebbe

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I'm not sure how to make the light bounces more apparent without cranking up light intensity

So that it wouldn't look eyesoring outside

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did u check the 0.1.3 atrium

cranked the sky up, looks alright to me

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I did

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i did something weird in castle i need to fix

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A moment, i'll draw some screenies

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theres a blue tinge and blue behind the skybox

like crazy blue

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I discussed this a while ago

#1313627595815911448 message

Take a look

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yep you were the inspiration :)=

i could use actual HDRIs

but its hard to find ones that match the original PK skies

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So you see that inner bailey kinda looses it's warmth and depth with increased intensity

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shhhh bailey will hear us

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Gotta think

YOU RANG

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hehe

yeah, looks kinda realistic tho? what do u reckon

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Don't ask me, I scarcely go outside XDD

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i went outside once

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Sometimes i get amazed by the graphics IRL

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graphics werent great

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Genuinely