Portal 2

[buoyant venture]

I think Portal RTX is too clean for the abandoned Vibe Portal 2 goes for at the beginning

Later in the game, it would work

But there's also old aperture

[red panther]

Yeah it’s like only the first 2 chapters, and even for them all you need to add is color

And a little bit of a detail look

Wouldn’t take much

[red panther]

Later in the game them that it’d get even harder because it would be more than just some coloring but even then portal 2 textures still hold up to some newer games so even then it wouldn’t take much to remake

Getting it stable would be like the only hard part

It’s xoxor’s project though so if he wanted to do a full remaster he’d be the one to beat me to it

And anyone else who wants a mod

[buoyant venture]

I still think the textures should be the main focus. What really needs to be done is enhancing the lighting in a way that makes it noticeable while fitting the art style
I see that if isn't done right, people won't be able to tell the difference making adding RT not worth it for most

[red panther]

Pretty much everyone would beat me to it

[buoyant venture]

I feel like there's a lot of scenes that can be enhanced with RT like when you're going through the dark with Wheatley or the fire from the Turret line

This Turret line

With RT that fire lighting can be more prominent and cast real time shadows as things go in

[red panther]

Yeah I get that, I believe textures is the only thing that really should be focused on in the start of a remaster (exception is stability) and lighting, shouldn’t be overly difficult, lighting is major battle with half life 2 cause like 30% of the base game lights don’t show up

[buoyant venture]

I would take up remastering Portal 2, but without an RTX card, the only thing I could do is direct which isn't really helpful compared to modeling and using the toolkit

[red panther]

What happened to that 4080 SUPER deal you saw

[buoyant venture]

Couldn't really afford it in the end and decided to just stick with my current setup

I feel like getting help for a Portal 2 remaster would be easy, it's one of those games loved by many and it could do something similar with Half Life 2 RTX where people can apply to help
The question is, what has more content, Half Life 2 or Portal 2?

[red panther]

Good question

The real question is what has more bugs

Or technical issues

Like Ravenholm and on is bugged

No lights work and it’s too unstable in some spots to add lights

[safe elk]

Its not really bugged its just unstable

[buoyant venture]

I think the big difference is Half Life 2 had to be stripped down like Portal to get working

[red panther]

Sometimes base game lights don’t appear in the default area in stable spots

[safe elk]

Again thatz not really a bug, that's light culling

[red panther]

No I fixed that

There different

They just don’t exist at all

There’s no way to capture them and no way to even get them to turn on

[safe elk]

[buoyant venture]

It seems like @naive edge is fixing most of the technical bugs in Portal 2, so I'd say Portal 2 will have less

[red panther]

My work around was add ALOT of emission, which does work, but I’m not a big fan on how it looks

Nova prospects stability is low in some spots and high in others

And the lights don’t work in any of them

And the flash light doesn’t work there either

Which makes even less sense

And the sun doesn’t work and the sky is grey

Which is even weirder

[buoyant venture]

Now that I think about it, if no one wants to take up remastering Portal 2 in the future, I'll be happy to take it up. (Even without a RTX card)

[red panther]

Nah I got it

Not tryna steal it from you

But like, ima need a project in a bit

At this point, I’m using half life 2 just to get experience with remix

And I’ll change the suit when the official mod comes out

[buoyant venture]

Noice

[red panther]

Not trying to flood the thread so moving back to portal 2, I’m no artist but if I’m correct it shouldn’t be to difficult to make things look more abandoned

It’d mostly just be coloring

There would be other complicated things like making a roughness/height maps but even then that’s not to hard to make in blender

[buoyant venture]

I'd personally probably just have the original textures enhanced and the assets redone with pbr, if something is noticeably low poly then the meshes for that can be redone

Like in this scene, a lot of the original meshes are good as are, but some of the rebel is noticeably low poly

And some of the leaves but it's far less noticeably, so it would only need a touch up

[red panther]

I get what your saying

That’s why I wasn’t stressing textures on portal 2 because they already look really good and wouldn’t take much to improve

[buoyant venture]

I do think with these type of large projects, a team is the way but that's just me

[red panther]

Yeah I mean it’s ideal

But the way it looks like 2 ppl max would even want to work with me personally and even then ima still try to get my friend on it cause he can use blender better than I can, on top of that I broke my back a while back so my motor skills are ass and his are really good

And a lot of the textures are the same so I do it once and it’s pretty much done a decent area of the game, I think chapters 3-6 have the same textures mostly

Ngl portal is one of the easier projects once it’s working

If anybody would want to work this out with me I wouldn’t be apposed to someone wanting to work with me but idk how many people really would work with me, also wouldn’t want too many people working on it, because like the half life 2 RTX mod being called “community made” even though it’s being made by a studio, I would want mine to be what I view as community made

Or atleast what I view as community made

[buoyant venture]

My plan (simplified) would be:

1. Upload a trailer and application to spread the word and get people on a team
2. Remaster levels one by one carefully (people can get picky about remasters)
3. See if it can get uploaded to Steam as a mod like Prelude RTX

[red panther]

It wouldn’t be to big of a deal, I’d just make sure that it’s no longer called community made if more than 15 ppl are working on jt

[red panther]

I only want 15 people max

And like I said I wouldn’t want many to work with me cause I’m aware I’m not easy to work with

[safe elk]

Btw it's called community made because it's not made by valve and is vollenteer based, not bcuz it's a made by a studio

[red panther]

Ik that

[buoyant venture]

I wouldn't know if I'm easy to work with, I did all my projects by myself except for the Alpha and Beta testing

[red panther]

Just if it’s called a studio is it really community made, more that 90% of it is most likely been made by the team and only like 10% was randoms contribution

[safe elk]

Its community made mod... if it's not made by the orogional devs of the game

The community is making a mod for the game

[kind lance]

There's always the art side of things. I have multiple people who've never touched Remix who are contributing assets to my project

[red panther]

I worked on half life 2 myself and that’s it, people have told me relentless in the server that I’m hard to work with when I ask for help because of my low ability to communicate and comprehend

[buoyant venture]

True, tho I'm terrible at art, lol

[buoyant venture]

I think I'm pretty bad at communication

[red panther]

I was being voted to be banned from the server one time cause of how poorly I communicate

[kind lance]

I've never done 3D art of any kind (modeling or otherwise) until this year. Idk how much you've seen of my personal asset work but the only thing preventing you is not starting things up

[red panther]

I don’t want nobody to think that I’m an ass hole I don’t try to be annoying on purpose

It’s Better I do it myself so I don’t piss anyone off

That’s why the only people on my team would be my friend with blender to do a little art work

It’d appreciate help and occasionally provide updates in this thread occasionally but otherwise I’d try to do it myself

If anyone wanted to do it other than me they’d beat me to it without a shadow of a doubt

The only thing that give me any chance of passing someone is all my free time is in remix

[buoyant venture]

I mean, I'd have to wait for @naive edge to release their build

[buoyant venture]

True

[naive edge]

Everyone can remix the game to their liking. The more remix mods, the better. People can mix and match or simply choose what they prefer their game to look like

[red panther]

Yeah, I mean I’m shit at remix and pretty much anything that isn’t n Skyrim, Elden Ring or pc building, I need his release too, he’s doing a great job at it ngl, it’s better than anything I could possibly do, I tried to use the reverse engineering channel to make my dream project but I’m way to dumb to understand allat

[buoyant venture]

I'm surprised that didn't really happen with Portal RTX considering the complaints it got other than that one flawol mod

[red panther]

Any of us making a mod really will never see the light of day now that I think about it, only a small few will ever even know about it

That took a dark turn

[naive edge]

Well it was the first one and is complete. There is little incentive + everyone is able to use remix to remaster the titles they want so why "waste" your time on something that's almost perfect when you could spend it on your own project.

It might come eventually tho

[red panther]

Anyway Xoxor you mod looks amazing man can’t wait to see it, I’ll be watching you’re thread 24/7, when hl2 RTX drops cause I don’t rlly got anything to switch to except for morrowind

[red panther]

I’m still changing the bland ass suit from half life 2 rtx

Idgaf that people think I’m irrational for thinking mine looks better even though there’s clearly has things over mine, but it’s too clean for what it should be, and that’s why people don’t want to use all of portal RTX, it’s too clean

[safe elk]

[buoyant venture]

Gonna be honest, if I remastered Portal 2, I'd want a script that can utilize optiscaler to switch to FSR 3.1 for non NVIDIA users. Might be simpler than implementing FSR into Remix

[red panther]

Huh

I am not that smart bro

Wdym by “optiscaler”

[red panther]

I hate orbifolds suit

No offense to them but

[safe elk]

I love it

[red panther]

That shit looks like ass

[safe elk]

Its so peak

[red panther]

Like said here about issue with clean I have that issue with the suit

[red panther]

It’s ass

See the damage on mine

[naive edge]

Wrong thread

[red panther]

You right

[buoyant venture]

It's a DLSS to FSR replacement tool that I use for my mods

[safe elk]

Yeah

[kind lance]

Side note, ||According to nukestorm FSR should be pretty trivial to implement natively, just needs someone with the basic programming know-how.||

[drifting temple]

Couldn't be me

[buoyant venture]

🫠

[buoyant venture]

Does NVIDIA have plans on remastering Portal 2? (If not, I think I would want to give it a try with the goal of putting it on Steam)

[kind lance]

I highly doubt it. It's a huge commitment and you'd probably want a more diverse selection rather than do a sequel

[buoyant venture]

In that case, I shall try my best to make the sequel

I would want to ask if I can use the Portal RTX assets as a base for the first few levels for continuity

[buoyant venture]

I just realized, if I put it on the Steam page, I can write the requirements!

https://tenor.com/view/death-note-kira-anime-light-laugh-gif-22099540

[red panther]

You gotta leave RX 7600 or lower cause then you can’t play it

[safe elk]

Wait... This is possible?!

There were issues with this due to how the rendering pipeline worked, too many effects that would have to be disabled iirc

[kind lance]

no

it exists because Xoxor is hackerman

Base portal 2 does not at all work with Remix

[safe elk]

no ik that

but it is now possible

right?

I saw a short clip of Portal 2's opening crash sequence in remix

[buoyant venture]

If it performs good on my GPU, then I'll put RTX 3050 or RX 7600 as the minimum but I recommended the minimum for Portal RTX be a RX 7700XT since that performs similar to the minimum RTX 3060

[kind lance]

No

But yes

TLDR yes

[buoyant venture]

https://tenor.com/view/aperture_science-gif-19143828

[red panther]

Keep in mind that Portal RTX path tracing quality was increased tremendously, so RX 7600, depending on how much the RTX quality increased by you would determine how well it runs

[buoyant venture]

Depends on the game as well, some Remix games are more intensive because of their larger maps or larger amounts of assets

[red panther]

Portal doesn’t have a large amount of assets

It’s a very solitary vibe

[buoyant venture]

Portal 2 is more larger in some areas and has much more assets such as foliage and debris

Portal RTX performs well on my GPU till the end where there's more going on

It also takes a big toll on my VRAM which is probably why the RTX 3060 is recommended which has 12GBs

[red panther]

A lot of the areas in portal 2 throught the game aren’t very well visible, so culling could cover a lot of it

[safe elk]

base portal 2 no, modified portal 2 yes

[safe elk]

Yeah, lots of the exact same asset everywhere

the entire game basically takes place in just 2 location type

office, and test chambers

make just a few office assets, thats all the non test chamber rooms

then create a few test chamber pieces

[red panther]

Yes I’ve played the game, the same asset every where is just a clone of one asset, the game dosent have many assets, culling covers only one level at a time, and the levels are small, so yes, the game has few assets

[safe elk]

I know

i was agreeing with you

[red panther]

If the game is repeating the same thing in a small area=little assets

[safe elk]

yes.

[red panther]

I’m not great with words

[safe elk]

same tbh

[kind lance]

Well keep in mind performance scaling isn't anything to do with number of unique assets (with a game like this). Rather the number and size of bounding boxes across all rendered objects will be the big one. I can already imagine some of the larger rooms in Portal 2 having noticeably lower performance if the environments aren't split up into many different meshes vs one big mesh

[buoyant venture]

Really excited for when this is ready to go

[red panther]

As yes that is true, it isn’t impossible to convert into one big mesh, as that would require more than just the tool kit

[red panther]

Yeah me too, I need another project to work on cause mines near end

[buoyant venture]

I'll probably put up a team request (I'm honestly surprised that channel is barley used)

[red panther]

I’m surprised too

[buoyant venture]

I wonder, would it be better to put a team request before hand and once the build for his drops to then start working on it?

That way there's already a team

[red panther]

Not a bad idea

How would you structure?

[buoyant venture]

Structure the team or the plan?

[red panther]

Structure

[buoyant venture]

Hmmm, I'l try to answer the best I can:
First priority would be getting artist and developers who can use the toolkit, I think those are the two most important roles, but I would keep the team request to this server so the project could hopefully stay a bit quiet till it's ready for a reveal
Work won't be able to be done right away since we gotta wait on this build so preparation would be good idea, such as creating enhanced models and textures and maybe even taking a look at the original game to determine what needs huge improvements and what needs small touch-ups
Once the build does drop, the question then will be "how can we enhance the original lighting and atmosphere using RT?" A good example of this would be to put Volumetric lighting and God Rays in those areas near the surface, a lot of Portal 2 concept art puts an emphasis on these things but it doesn't really convey in the final game. I also think it would be important to look at the original concept art to see what they wanted to convey and how the source engine might have limited that vision at the time
Once the first few areas are done, I would want to put up a trailer showcasing the surface areas and then at that point put up a wider request for help for people outside the server
I'm a big fan of beta testing because if gives people a chance to give criticism which would then allow the team to improve upon those areas that received criticism so I would want to do a closed beta test
Optimization is also a big thing that should be considered because not everyone has a high end GPU and Portal RTX received a lot of mixed reviews for not running the best on lower end
Also must convey that you don't need a RTX GPU to play this because that was also a reason Portal RTX got a lot of mixed reviews, so should definitely show off it running on different GPUs
The end goal would obviously to put this on Steam so everyone knows about it and can enjoy it

[red panther]

I like your plan

[sleek bay]

I miss when this thread was just xoxor posting updates

Ah now I feel bad, have your fun. Ignore me

[red panther]

Don’t worry to hard about it

[buoyant venture]

Maybe I'll put up the team request later today, I already have a studio so that's no problem

[red panther]

Bet, I’ll join, need smth to do once half life drops, which should be soon

[buoyant venture]

Did it

[eager vector]

I mean... considering DLSS FG isn't available on 3000- cards...

Nvidia should add FSR3 + FG support natively in the first place

Since FSR FG works with DLSS as an upscaller, well it could really benefit 2000 - 3000 users

[buoyant venture]

Well if Optiscaler manages to get Vulkan FG properly working, then the script could just be changed to include certain NVIDIA architectures

[eager vector]

I tried to re-install a newer version of optiscaller in portal rtx...
But somehow i got an obscure error

idk if it was a "bleeding edge nvapi" error, or an optiscaller error itself

or if the tutorial i followed (it was in the FSR3 channel) changed alltogether and thus did the stuff badly

at this point i only have my install on PortalRTX that's stuck in time 😭

[buoyant venture]

On Linux? There's an issue where newer versions won't work on Linux
I reported the issue already

[naive edge]

Visualizing the node/leaf the player is in to better find the index for manual vis overrides
(Using the remixapi to draw the emissive line meshes)

[buoyant venture]

I'm really curious what the GLaDOS wake up will look like

[drifting temple]

Aren't we all?

[drifting temple]

Any notable performance differences?

[naive edge]

for what exactly?

[drifting temple]

Like in general

[naive edge]

Uhm well I'm not rendering the entire world anymore .. so yea.
That now requires a bit of manual work to fix light bleed or culled emissive surfaces

Spawn room of final4 went from 13 fps to 60ish or so

[rough ginkgo]

with all the engine changes you're making, is it theoretically possible to port these to other source games? (such as games based on SDK 2013). having remix-friendly culling would be amazing

[naive edge]

sure

[drifting temple]

I wonder what the performance is like during the glados wakeup scene

[safe elk]

Actually I'm now more curious abt the moon scene, @naive edge iont care abt any videos or nothing but how's that functioning?

[naive edge]

Untested

[kind lance]

Oh fuck off. There's no way... Right

Bro has to be trolling us surely

not trolling?

[buoyant venture]

Left 4 Dead RTX or it's not true

[kind lance]

Hold on lads. Bro is citing dark magic as possible. Don't fall for it, we must hold our ground while he cooks

[safe elk]

I thought he meant as in the source friendly culling not making source shader games possible

[thin geode]

#general-remix message

[drifting temple]

now port all this to source 2

[buoyant venture]

That's actually cool but it kind of looks like some early version of Left 4 Dead we never got to see, lol

[naive edge]

I'd be able to fix the weapon lag and some other stuff on this game now 😜

[buoyant venture]

Noice

[analog copper]

ossy sucks

[analog copper]

lfd2?

also sorry for asking since u prolly posted it

but what in general made this work

especially with dx9.c

[naive edge]

manually setting the camera transforms + manually setting vertex formats and disabling the vertex shaders for specific model types so that d3d falls back to fixed function rendering

[analog copper]

sick

[long tangle]

Elaborate.

[naive edge]

The return of map markers 🤭

[buoyant venture]

The orange lighting on the cracks is amazing to me for some reason

[naive edge]

indeed

[west bolt]

Is this legit? How far is this progressing?

[naive edge]

Yea! It's in a pretty good state right now but needs some more polish and qol features

[west bolt]

How much of the assets have been replaced?

[naive edge]

Next to none. My job is getting this game to even work with remix (which already took at least 100 or so hours)

[west bolt]

What did you do to get it this far?

[naive edge]

Manually setting the camera transform, disabling the vertex shader and setting the vertex format for specific model types so they are rendered using the fixed function pipeline and a LOT of other fixes (handling culling etc.)

[west bolt]

And all of this can be done without source code?

[blissful fulcrum]

What do the map markers help you with?

[drifting temple]

Marking.... The map

[naive edge]

The one remixing the game can freely spawn these (per map). These can be used as anker meshes since each one has a unique texture

This way, you can freely place lights and add new meshes to the scene

[blissful fulcrum]

Ahhh is this because the hashes still aren't stable?

[drifting temple]

Never have been

[naive edge]

Even if hashes were stable (exluding bsp as that will never be stable with culling in place), how would you add scene lights otherwise? If you attach lights to props, they will propagate to all maps using that prop

Static mesh hashes are stable

[blissful fulcrum]

Portal RTX has stable .bsp with culling iirc or are you just talking about backface culling?

[safe elk]

There is still the issue where alot of the meshes have similar hashes, meaning if you add a light to one mesh, another will happen to have the same light

Adding in the cubes gives unique hash to spawn lights with

[naive edge]

It does? Not sure how they pulled that off. I'm talking about pvs (node/leaf) culling

[safe elk]

Speaking of that, how exactly did you get pvs culling without too much light bleed?

[naive edge]

Slightly modified the R_RecursiveWorldNode function. Everything else can be fixed by manually setting nodes to be visible if the player is in a specific area

I think I'll also disable the sides and bottom of the skybox (its broken anyway) and just keep the top active (since that is all you ever gonna see anyway

So even if a wall gets culled .. there wont be any light that enters

[safe elk]

the skybox issue was never fixed?

[blissful fulcrum]

Last I checked they have leaf culling they just modified it to be really relaxed. My PC doesn't work anymore though so I can't actually check

[naive edge]

They've probably disabled batch rendering then

[naive edge]

Negative. There is also the issue that the skybox is not being rendered first by the game .. so when its actually being rendered, there is already world geo at the center of the skybox. So if remix is then setting up its camera to rasterize the sky, it will have map geo in its way

[safe elk]

Interesting flip considering I've always seen skyboxes rendered first, I think (total guess here on why) they render skybox last because the majority of the game the sky isn't all that important to render compared to the world geometry, again that's a total guess but it's my hunch

[naive edge]

There is a cvar to render it last or somewhere inbetween

I think its like the 60th surface on some maps

[blissful fulcrum]

I think you may be able to see the sides of the skybox on intro1 and finale3 not to mention custom/Workshop maps if your supporting those

[naive edge]

Good point. I'll keep that in mind but will takle that last ig

[safe elk]

Mmmmm p2 worshop

( this is a joke) portal 2 ending song re-render when?

[naive edge]

Got monitors to work! (raytraced render targets)

[drifting temple]

what about the decals

[naive edge]

decals?

[drifting temple]

The goop decals

[naive edge]

uh

Putting that here for a bug report

[sleek bay]

hey you went to his lair and didnt die

[drifting temple]

https://tenor.com/view/xd-gif-24721812

[lyric summit]

https://tenor.com/view/kys-keep-yourself-safe-low-tier-god-gif-24664025

[heady laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/grandfox-keep-yourself-safe-gif-4662552056385787868

[frail lily]

Chell high on the Spice

[naive edge]

fixed (it was showing the normal map before)

[frail lily]

I don't even know how to respond, I will vote for you though

[kind lance]

Wow she's looking awesome

[buoyant venture]

Good to know that model can be modified

[drifting temple]

idk why but she looks so realistic in that reflection

Also is alpha not working in reflections?

Her hair looks black around where the transparency should be

[frail lily]

Now that I've looked at it more closely, why isn't the reflection breaking along with the glass? Is it all a lie?

Edit: ok I got it, I thought there were gaps where there aren't, some beveling should do the trick once we get to remastering the assets

[safe elk]

Lowkey strap a bar at the bottom right in photoshop with "portal 2 rtx" and that looks like a moddb page logo

[drifting temple]

So this is what video game graphics will look like in 2013

[buoyant venture]

https://tenor.com/view/noted-anime-gif-25088894

[kind lance]

use blender nodes to make a high geo density hair mesh for chell

[safe elk]

Abt 9,000,000,000 triangles

[drifting temple]

That's...stupid

[kind lance]

so is your mom but you don't hear me saying that do you

[buoyant venture]

[severe thicket]

want to use it

[analog copper]

ossy sucks

[drifting temple]

Understandable

[naive edge]

So much potential 👀

[buoyant venture]

[buoyant venture]

I like how Wheatly is projecting shadows because he's being lit from the inside and his eye is not the light source

[analog copper]

how good does it run?

generally

cause i know the p2 maps get fucking massive

[safe elk]

he did add a pvs system so I doubt its to much loss anymore

[naive edge]

🤭

[kind lance]

Mind sharing the properties on that light source? Looks way more clean than I'm used to with Remix

[naive edge]

Uhm I'm not really sure. The light was added using the add light to texture tag

[kind lance]

We live in a society

[naive edge]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/blob/3851ec6eb4ec0537288fb55588c22cdc662675a5/src/dxvk/rtx_render/rtx_scene_manager.cpp#L630

rtx.effectLightRadius = 1
rtx.effectLightIntensity = 2.5
rtx.effectLightPlasmaBall = False

[kind lance]

well I've never seen a bigger load of bullshit in my life there's no way

well I'll test it I suppose

[buoyant venture]

https://tenor.com/view/aperture-science-gif-26567843

[red panther]

I can visually see it man

[ornate heath]

What graphics settings are you on?
Ultra? Is RR on?

[kind lance]

RR is absolutely on

I'll sell my firstborn if it isn't

[thin geode]

what happens if you never have kids?

[naive edge]

rr and auto .. most likely quality

[ornate heath]

4 bounces right?

[kind lance]

lol it's in the graphics settings button at the top xoxor

it's not in the dev overlay

that said the number of bounces here really shouldn't matter, it's basically a direct shadow

[kind lance]

not a possibility bc I get *******

[naive edge]

can not find the graphics settings button

[kind lance]

in the remix runtime

[safe elk]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

[buoyant venture]

Try resetting the PC

[kind lance]

I've been in a relationship for years lol

[safe elk]

Peak

[naive edge]

it's alive

[ornate heath]

Whats alive

[safe elk]

Is this what I think it is?

[buoyant venture]

How much does alive cost?

[naive edge]

whatever you think is justified

[buoyant venture]

fine, you can have my soul

[naive edge]

still have to fix a few minor things and create a vpk to override base game assets

[safe elk]

But is it what I think it is? Is it time to wake up from my eternal slumber?

Or yesn't

[naive edge]

soon ™

[safe elk]

https://tenor.com/view/peppo-gif-27351069

[kind lance]

wouldn't it be silly if we just got a bunch of artists to grind out portal 2 RTX as a faster project

[tropic lava]

real

[drifting temple]

Yeah it's called Nvidia lightspeed studios

Let's try to force nv to do the portal 2 remixing

It's not like lightspeed is doing anything useful these days anyways

(racer rtx is dead)

[safe elk]

What is racer rtx

[drifting temple]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Racer+RTX

[safe elk]

Blahblahblah.gif

[drifting temple]

[buoyant venture]

[worthy pendant]

ayyy you got portals working, heck yeah, cant wait to see more of this game become playable

[rocky viper]

Time to get minecraft java edition working 😎

[drifting temple]

opengl

[worthy pendant]

1.16 and older use ogl 2.0, dunno if you could force anything fixed function wise that old though, iirc 2.0 is when ogl ditched fixed function pipelines

[frail lily]

Rare pic of xoxor4d according to this server

[buoyant venture]

Maybe older versions, definitely not the current one

[kind lance]

I doubt they'd want to go through that effort again lol

[drifting temple]

True

Theyu haven't been able to finish one game on their own

[kind lance]

They did the mobile ports for HL2 and Portal (I played both )

[buoyant venture]

And Switch ports for Portal 1 and 2

[buoyant venture]

No competition? Yay

[drifting temple]

THERE'S A MOBILE PORT OF PORTAL AND HL??????

[kind lance]

On Android for Nvidia Shield devices, yeah. Last I remember there was a hardware spoofing thing some people used to get it running on other phones. Dunno how that's progressed since then

[drifting temple]

crazy

I wanna play

[kind lance]

Half-Life 2 ran at a cool 20fps in the demanding fights at the end of the game. That Tegra chip was fighting for its life

[drifting temple]

I wanna play portal 2

[last raft]

how do you use the remix api?

[kind lance]

That's a loaded question if I've ever heard one

[buoyant venture]

Well the Source engine also has an android build so that's the most popular way

[red panther]

Couldn’t say where to start

[last raft]

is it?

[red panther]

VERY

[kind lance]

The Remix API involves a deeper process of plugging into a given game. I'll see if I can find the documentation for you

[last raft]

thanks

[last raft]

im out of the loop

[kind lance]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/blob/main/documentation%2FRemixSDK.md

[last raft]

thanks ❤️

[buoyant venture]

[red panther]

Bro didn’t do nun fr

[drifting temple]

Typical Russian discord experience

[red panther]

There would be Voka slander in there too

[kind lance]

I'm there's a lot of convo topics that somehow show up here but we really should be at least having them in opened threads. This channel is more filled with random shit than it is with Portal 2 if I had to guess

[buoyant venture]

https://tenor.com/view/portal-old-man-portal2-gif-21822263

[drifting temple]

get back to me when anyone is able to play portal 2

As long as xoxor is offline, anything goes

[red panther]

What time

[drifting temple]

Whenever it drops

[red panther]

Ohhh

Thought you meant base portal 2

[drifting temple]

yes

anyways

Now we have to figure out how to run remix with this

[red panther]

Huh, so you mean regular vanilla portal 2

[red panther]

That’d be crazy

[drifting temple]

no

[red panther]

I’m lost like usual, but I think I get what your saying now finally

[buoyant venture]

I've thought about this, Android supports Vulkan RT

[drifting temple]

Well

Better get to work

[buoyant venture]

Problem is, that's very likely not using DirectX

[red panther]

No api wrapper I’m guessing

[drifting temple]

Probably isn't

On android

nahh

[red panther]

I was thinking

[drifting temple]

Wonder if the hl1 raytracing mod by sultim is compat with portal 1

[buoyant venture]

There is the Quake 2 RTX method where you run it through something like termux with the freedreno RT drivers

That way it's the PC version

[red panther]

If I got a lighting port to usb, and transferred my portal 2/half life 2 RTX to my phone, could I technically launch from exe?, my phone would probably crash, but would it work if it’s in a folder in iOS steam files?

[drifting temple]

Ok I've found out that the version of portal I installed on my phone isn't the one that @kind lance was talking about

Some russian guy literally ported source to run on android

[red panther]

Could try to someone how put the game in a flash drive and move it to pc

[drifting temple]

This is not the nvidia shield version

[drifting temple]

yes but that comes with emulation overhead

Speaking of, I've yet to figure out how to emulate windows on android

I know people have been playing cyberpunk on it

[buoyant venture]

I only know of Winlator which is a Wine translation, and just natively installing Windows ARM

[heady laurel]

crazy that out of all people, you did not know that

[drifting temple]

I just never search for android games

My phone has no games except for portal

[buoyant venture]

I've seen it in the playstore but of course it'll only run on NVIDIA Shield

[heady laurel]

the Tegra 4 chip did many things

[buoyant venture]

They also ported Doom 3 to android for it

[red panther]

Okay you can send android files to windows 10

[drifting temple]

Nah the one I installed is a native port of the sourcec engine

[buoyant venture]

I know, I mentioned it earlier

[drifting temple]

mmhm

[red panther]

So from there you can probably try to give RTX that way

Then Port it back

[drifting temple]

I dread installing hl2

[heady laurel]

dw i ran it on my huawei phone back then

works fine lol

nothing to worry about

[drifting temple]

well I gotta hunt for a obb now

[heady laurel]

i wanna show you the aftermath though of that phone

[buoyant venture]

Does DXVK even work on Android?

[red panther]

Idk

You can find out

I don’t got an android

[buoyant venture]

I'd probably rather try termux since I think it has more Vulkan RT extensions

[red panther]

Just putting it out there

[heady laurel]

nvm i can't find it

[drifting temple]

https://youtu.be/VnGscfbCz1g

nahhhh

[red panther]

Okay

[heady laurel]

yeah but that was a decade ago

[red panther]

I be getting my phones for free so it don’t matter

Well

Mostly

[red panther]

It does on the newer snap dragon chips

So I’ll give it a hard maybe

Oh they support dx 9 idk about dxvk

You can use Vulcan to run dxvk, so technically you can do it

[red panther]

So yes, dxvk is supported ish on android, and android uses OpenGL, so you “could” wrap it, I don’t think the phone is powerful enough for path tracing

At the strength remix provides

[heady laurel]

there is no physical hardware to do that

on a phone

[red panther]

That’s why idk how amazingly it’d work

[red panther]

On an android phone or be exact

[heady laurel]

unless you could leverage those RT cores on newer snapdragon 8 gen 2 or 3 chipsets, still impossible

[thin geode]

sometimes i wonder how project channels turn into #general-remix 😛

[heady laurel]

we caught the lurker

🫵

[thin geode]

always lurking 😛

[red panther]

I mean it’s portal

[drifting temple]

It happens when only one person in the world is able to play a game

So the channel turns into general while they're offline

[heady laurel]

barely

[drifting temple]

Not barely anymore

[heady laurel]

its quite janky and not a straight forward setup to work with atm

how do you propose the game edits needed to run it on everyone's system once the game is made playable

[drifting temple]

asi injection 🔥

Like how it's always done

[heady laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-five-nights-at-freddy's-toy-freddy-animatronic-sigma-gif-18383648778972099528

[drifting temple]

yep. that's a russian server right there

[worthy pendant]

Tbh the hl2 rtx team could make portal 2 their next project once hl2 releases

[buoyant venture]

Yeah, freedreno has Mesa based drivers with RT support

So they can take advantage of hardware RT

https://youtu.be/ddU-nElPvlA?si=L0VlS4JCmgKo1_XI

[heady laurel]

fucking hell

WHAT??!

[buoyant venture]

I have a snapdragon 8 gen 2 so I've done a lot of research on it, lol

[heady laurel]

odd behavior

[thin geode]

835 ftw

[buoyant venture]

Yeah, I saw on the github some code had to be written for it to even work on Snapdragon

[heady laurel]

quake 2 rtx uses way less RT related operations than lets say Remix

Remix would not even let you see 20 fps here on a mobile phone

[buoyant venture]

I could probably turn it all the way down like I did for Steam Deck on Windows, it just would look terrible, lol

[heady laurel]

not that it would look horrible, it would be a feat of its own to make it work

[buoyant venture]

I think it would be a feat for ARM devices in general

[heady laurel]

This is not the right place to discuss though, I would like to see how it works in other channel

[drifting temple]

no

[heady laurel]

no u

[drifting temple]

That works

[heady laurel]

Told you

It's easy to run and playable (to some extent)

[drifting temple]

It's very playable

[heady laurel]

Not a big fan of controls

Use a controller if you have it

[drifting temple]

Other than the fact that touch controls are fucking garbage and never should've been invented

[drifting temple]

Just gave it to my friend for a few days 💀

I'll just wait until I play hl2rtx

[heady laurel]

You mean permanently borrowed

[ornate heath]

I moderate that server

He stopped using that method

Actually ported source to android

[ornate heath]

And thats on a bit outdated device

[buoyant venture]

I mean, it's only 1 year behind, they're currently on gen 3 I believe

[buoyant venture]

Valve needs to port them again to Android, they have the builds still I'm sure

[drifting temple]

Probably

[ornate heath]

#offtopic tho

[drifting temple]

I don't think they're gonna do it

[west bolt]

Why reverse engineer the games code?

[naive edge]

To make the game work with remix

[west bolt]

For certin parts that don't work??

[naive edge]

That be .. everything yea

[kind lance]

[buoyant venture]

[drifting temple]

Because it's funny

[naive edge]

Grayscale but hey .. it works 😂

[red panther]

step by step, it's becoming another master piece

[drifting temple]

Can you add more chromatic abomination pls

[naive edge]

That was a leftover of a per map .conf loading test

like the game auto loads mapname.conf if it exists and applies all the contained remix vars on map load

[drifting temple]

I see

[ornate heath]

That ghosting though

[thin geode]

it probably doesn't have motion vectors

[drifting temple]

Yeah videos don't have mvs

They ghost a lot in raster taa/dlss/fsr games as well

[naive edge]

how to fix light bleed 💡

• use r_lockPvs 1
• cmd xo_debug_toggle_node_vis
• [Area](Leafs to force)

[safe elk]

manually setting pvs visibility lines?

[thin geode]

you're doing that for every part of the level?

[naive edge]

Well most maps dont have skylight so you don't really notice the culling. But yea, if emissive surfaces get culled or there is sunlight bleeding into certain areas .. it has do be done manually

[thin geode]

sounds very tedious

[naive edge]

I'm setting the visframe for the leafs and nodes leading to that leaf to the newest visframecounter (when vis was calculated)

[naive edge]

Takes less time for one map then it takes to remaster 1 texture 😜

[safe elk]

oooohh so when the leaf gets calculated the surrounding leafs that you manually set calculate at the same time, instead of a basic line point view?

[buoyant venture]

Debatable

Wait, i miss read

[naive edge]

Game updates vis and sets the visframe of nodes/leafs to the current counter if they could be visible from your pov. Later, a recursive function traverses these nodes and stops when it finds one where the visframe is older.
So to force leafs, I set the visframe of the leaf I want to force to the current counter. But that alone wont make it visible as the recursive function that traverses the bsp might never reach that leaf .. becase its parent nodes are not visible as well.

[worthy pendant]

really they/re just built off mesa? then perhaps thats why valve is looking into ARM for future devices, at least if that info about ARM proton support is anything to go off of, they could just work on their own drivers for a snapdragon X elite chip since I havent known qualcom for being that great with drivers themselves

[worthy pendant]

sweet

[buoyant venture]

Yep, so the RT is very similar as well

[worthy pendant]

neat

I didnt think snapdragon chips were that capable, guess qualcom just needs to actually spend time on drivers

[rough ginkgo]

been doing my own PBR work on wheatley, its WIP but I think im making good progress so far
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1296632990214127667/1297238940394459217/2024-10-19_11-42-36.mp4?ex=671927e8&is=6717d668&hm=0cdad7ee39b0a40cee8d2360c23b9991f09ecaa6f6ed93a8f0b1e8b57b35e049&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1296632990214127667/1297237297141518428/2024-10-19_11-36-56.mp4?ex=67192661&is=6717d4e1&hm=1d78f5a1e5e01b1d213df3bc207e67c5ab52160bd6a6b514cd8e3d66c2b8a596&

[eager vector]

Man sorry for the ping, sorry to disturb you.

I just want to say that portal 2 must be my fav game ever.

And

You made my day.

✌️

[red panther]

The Genuine reflection on his eye looks amazing

[red panther]

You'll get to play it in full RTX one of these days

[eager vector]

People tend to say nowadays are sh!tty days, but i, instead, think that these are amazing days to live

Ray traced older games, accessible and powerful hardware

[red panther]

It's a balence I'd say

[eager vector]

Indeed

[red panther]

New ideas are shitty but the remasters are a master piece in my opion, for example Wukong, in my opioion, over hyped, ut the community feels how they feel

[kind lance]

You're crushing it. This is the level of art I hope to achieve

[red panther]

Me too

It’s not going great

[kind lance]

Looks fairly spot on to me. Motherboards are surprisingly good for early modeling. Lots of basic shapes, it's a matter of nice composition and proper scaling

[red panther]

It’s been 55 hours of work, it’s a good look, but, eh 55 hours isn’t real efficient, thanks for the support though

[kind lance]

It's your first model. Chump change compared to how my early days went

[red panther]

Thanks for the support man

[safe elk]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-smile-pain-gif-25380532

[naive edge]

Aaaaah I have finally got fullscreen color transitions / damage etc. to work .. and the crosshair is now visible as well

[old abyss]

It is looking really sick. Very nice model and textures.
The dirt looks a bit too random, I'd use a bit of AO / cavity maps to accumulate more on the crevices and holes.
Other then that, it is looking really cool

[rough ginkgo]

I thought it wasnt possible to use AO maps with remix? unless i ingest them as displacement maps?

[old abyss]

No I mean, in substance painter, instamat or the software you're using. Use ao or cavity maps to drive the intensity of dirt and grunge layers

[rough ginkgo]

yes I understand that part, but when exporting, would it just be baked into my roughness/normals/albedo?

[old abyss]

Yup. It is just a driver for your grunge/dirt/dust generators. The grunge, dirt and such will dirty your albedo colors, make high roughness and add bumps in your normal maps

[rough ginkgo]

sweet, thanks for the advice

[worthy pendant]

I hate windows, cant play these dang videos on my PC

[buoyant venture]

I'm having the same issue on my Mac, might just be a Discord PC problem

It plays fine on my phone

[rough ginkgo]

im using a custom discord client on windows and i dont have any issues playing back the videos

they're normal h264 as well

[rough ginkgo]

does this look correct? I havent messed with AO maps that much

[worthy pendant]

discord plays it fine on my mac, but I use discord in the browser, so it might just be an issue with the desktop app
I noticed its an issue with all H265 encoded videos, I just thought since windows makes you pay for that and doesnt support it by default, thats why discord didnt work, but if the mac app is the same way then it might just be a discord issue with H265

[rough ginkgo]

weird since its h264

[worthy pendant]

he looks a bit too metallic, I always imagined him being a bit more of a painted white since we do see metallic things in aperture

[rough ginkgo]

oh wait i cant read

HEVC

[worthy pendant]

let me check something

[rough ginkgo]

yeah i get that impression too, though in remix the actual reflectivity is much lower

[worthy pendant]

yeah that vid is H265, windows doesnt have native support for it

macs do though, so thats surprising

[rough ginkgo]

install VLC?

that's the 1st thing i do on a windows system

[worthy pendant]

maybe they are loosing the licensing since I know these in general H265 has that issue from what I hear, and thats one of the things making AV1 so popular

[kind lance]

I could be dumb but this just looks like you're using an AO map. That's not what E-man was recommending. He suggested using the AO map as a mask for your grunge layer

[worthy pendant]

I need to, I keep forgetting to since I dont watch videos directly too often

[rough ginkgo]

that would make more sense

[old abyss]

nah, an AO map will look something like this when rendered on the mesh. It tells how easy light rays can hit the surface (meaning they don't reach as much inside holes and crevices).
The result of using AO or cavity maps to drive grunge, dust and dirt or other effects will look like 2nd or 3rd pic.
Also, as PortalJumper mentioned, Wheatley is looking very metallic, while a paint layer is usually very dielectric/non-metallic

btw, if you're using substance painter, you can hit 2 buttons and it will bake all these maps for you

under texture set settings -> Bake mesh maps > on the new window just hit bake with the default settings

[buoyant venture]

I use Discord web too on my Mac (The app wouldn't work)

[rough ginkgo]

magic

[worthy pendant]

strange

wait no, for a moment I thought it was the same person, nvm

[old abyss]

thats the real deal. Now slap the mud material from SP library, set roughness to max, add a black mask to the layer, than add a generator -> dust to that black mask and voila. You got accumulated dust on the dark spots

[rough ginkgo]

I'll probably need to do that with the clean version of wheatley, i started with the dirty version 1st and i baked all of the extra dirt into the albedo 😭

wow

total gamechanger, i should've been using generators this whole time instead of painting 😭

[kind lance]

procedural texturing is the meta

[rough ginkgo]

yeah this is absolutely peak

i can think of so many uses with this

[old abyss]

You can do some wild stuff with them. Metal edge wear is also another great one for your project. make the paint layer peel near the edges, exposing the metal behind and such.
I "painted" this guy a while back without touching a single brush, only generators and the path tools from SP 2023
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/rJVlRe

[kind lance]

that is 15K tris????

[old abyss]

Seems like your AO mask is inverted. Try toggling "Invert"

[old abyss]

Yup. It was meant for a technical test, there was a constraint to not go over 15k, so I went 14900+ barely under the mark

[kind lance]

I see a lot of supporting edge loops. Did you do subd for a high poly to bake down onto the 15K?

[rough ginkgo]

yeah now all of the gunk is inside, nice

oops meant to reply

[old abyss]

Nope. I just planned ahead, started cutting corners and suddenly it was under the mark. One big advantaged is I went for a octagonal-ish shape with very little round shapes

[kind lance]

if I made this same thing it would be such a wildly different story then again I don't use trim sheets/decals when I totally should

my ass is modeling in all these tiny details into the geometry

[old abyss]

lemme tell a story. I didn't use either

[kind lance]

[old abyss]

I'm so mad tbh. I was thinking of a nice usecase putting the block in the game (Space Engineers) as a mod, which does not support dedicated UV map for AO, so I had to use 1:1 texture mapping for AO bakes without overlaps. Later on I gave up on that idea and decided to render in Unreal, Blender Eevee and Remix
Long story short, I should've used trimsheets and reused as much as I could. Would be able to get away with a single 4k set or even a couple 2k sets

[red panther]

I love detail in things, and this makes me happy

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-happy-jumping-gif-26555219

[rough ginkgo]

wip but i was able to make a mask out of the clean albedo to show the metal under the paint layer

[old abyss]

Nice! If you put a Metal Edge Wear generator in the mask, it will adapt to edges reallistically and the scratches will look a lot more consistent

Make sure to change the MEW gen to Linear Dodge (Add) blend mode, so it won't replace your albedo-based mask, and instead, will add to it

[rough ginkgo]

ah yeah i was about to ask, that fixed it lol

[rough ginkgo]

looking much better now

[safe elk]

Wow

[rough ginkgo]

last part is the normals

[rough ginkgo]

😎 the 3D distance generator is really useful for controlling normal strength

[old abyss]

Well pointed. For the cherry on top, as I'm going to sleep I'll leave Anchor Points for you to figure out from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V_81uje7d8
Also, the original albedo is kinda blurry for the high res texture you're using now. I'd use a bevel or levels filter to make the peeling effect sharper.
good luck

[rough ginkgo]

ty for all the help today

[worthy pendant]

Ok that looks really good

[safe elk]

@naive edge with the new pom update, would the wall light poms work?

[drifting temple]

No

[worthy pendant]

what does the new pom update do?
just better pom than what we had before?

[drifting temple]

Essentially, yes.

[rough ginkgo]

once again, life changed, anchor points are amazing

looks so much better than using normal maps

oops

i had normals on in both screenshots

here is the proper pics

[old abyss]

totally. Painting and combining heightmap layers is the way to go. Normal layers are usually for when you have textures to use

[rough ginkgo]

yeah this looks much better than generating normals from a albedo

[old abyss]

allows "protrusion", so POM can also "extrude" the material pixels outwards, not only inwards

[worthy pendant]

neat

[kind lance]

MFW bro is learning some magic shit while I'm a total texturing pleb

[old abyss]

btw, I believe your model needs some support loops to round these edges, they're quite sharp, so your curvature maps were baked with a very thin edge line for the metal edge wear generator to use. Ideally edge wear should look more like this pic

[rough ginkgo]

I'm using the stock source model, any way to fix that during baking?

[old abyss]

nah, don't think so, you'd need to open the model in blender and make the adjustments

[rough ginkgo]

i might do that in the future once I got a good workflow to import models into source. since wheatley's model is skinned and not static, i cant replace it in remix

[old abyss]

if the character model is hash stable, you can via toolkit. Otherwise you'd need to do that at toolkit level. Or, you can use a high poly version to paint on top that uses the same UV maps as the original one (like, subdivice the original model a and clean it up in a higherpoly version)

[rough ginkgo]

yea subdividing might be the way to go

source is notorious for having unstable hashes for any kind of model with bones

[kind lance]

couldn't you just smooth out a high poly and use that to bake onto the existing mesh as a normal

doesn't require stable hashes

[old abyss]

I think that was the idea. Open the original model in blender, subdivide and polish the model without affecting the UVs, export the result to paint in SP

[kind lance]

I just realized you were mentioning two different things in that message lol

[rough ginkgo]

recreating wheatley's clean eye from scratch, its a little different compared to the original. thoughts?
(left: recreation, right: original)

i might need to re-do the pattern overlay as i cant exactly match the originals grille size

honestly i think it looks pretty good

[old abyss]

its nice, though the honeycomb pattern is too small to see in most cutscenes

[red panther]

4k on his vision too, hope he enjoys it

[rough ginkgo]

ill see if i can make it a little bigger

[rough ginkgo]

good god that took a bit to figure out but this should be better

i hate that photoshop doesnt have integer scaling for patterns

I had to rasterize it and scale it manually

[rough ginkgo]

so i exported the maps and it doesnt seem like everything carried over?

there is a lack of roughness/metallics despite the maps existing

the displacement map is there but its very feint

looks a little better with direct illumination

[kind lance]

can you show what the maps look like

[rough ginkgo]

ok yea it might just be remix's denoiser

[rough ginkgo]

sure

looks like its missing a lot of detail from the heightmap

wonder if its possible to bake it into a normal map

[kind lance]

what's the displacement value set to?

in remix

[rough ginkgo]

toolkit or runtime

[kind lance]

toolkit

[rough ginkgo]

the default

changing it doesnt really seem to do anything

[kind lance]

hmm

can you upload your heightmap here directly or screenshot it

[rough ginkgo]

what it looks like inside substance

and the exported map

yeah uhh something isnt right

[old abyss]

hmmm you shouldn't need POM for that model

[rough ginkgo]

yeah, im just trying to get all of the details seen in substance to show in remix

[old abyss]

gotcha. No you can't use them all. Heightmaps are a replacement for your normals, rather than a complement. Just use the normals texture. If you really want to use displacement, that is another map and setting you need to enable in SP to work with which is not height.

[rough ginkgo]

do i need to configure my export options to bake the heightmaps onto the exported normal map?

or is that already done

[old abyss]

nope, it should be already there by default. Keep in mind there will be 2 normal texture, one for dx and one for ogl format. Use whatever is more detailed (the same you configured your SP project to use at beginning)

[rough ginkgo]

I only get one on export, currently my settings are directx

looking at the normal map, yeah it seems like the heightmap stuff is there

[old abyss]

Mine comes wiith these by default. I tend to use ogl so I always pick the ogl texture and ignore the dx

sorry, not "dx". Just "normal" without a name

[rough ginkgo]

do you have custom export options for remix on substance? I'm currently using this:

[kind lance]

I'd recommend making your own to be safe, dunno what their defaults are but with instamat I customized mine

[red panther]

That’s beautiful man

[old abyss]

Nah, I just use these default ones

[rough ginkgo]

dear lord you were not joking about the difference with OGL normals

holy shit (ignoring the weird artifacts)

this would probably explain the lack of depth

[old abyss]

yeah tbh I have no idea why they're like this but well, just ignore it

[rough ginkgo]

yeah it seems to happen out of bounds of the UV

oh yeah much better

[old abyss]

Aaah well pointed. Never work with out of bounds UVs in SP. Brush strokes don't work outside the 0-1 range. Making tileable textures is a bit involved with it.
Also, since it generates baked maps for your mesh, you usually don't want to paint over meshes with overlapping UVs. Stuff like world space position or AO bakes get confused when you have multiple mesh pieces mapping to the same UV region.
For the U2 tire, I broke the thread into 5 repeating pieces and the side stripe in 2. This is what I used to paint, just with some minor borders to paint seamlessly around the edges.

[rough ginkgo]

god i love how the emission looks with his eye

[rough ginkgo]

the thing is, i wasnt working outside the UV, at least intentionally. i dont see any issues inside substance, but the exported maps have artifacts where nothing is there

and nothing is filling that area

ok well the artifacts definitely show, at least with the OGL normal

[old abyss]

Ahh. These artifacts are actually good practice. It is called dilation padding. It makes so the edges of your UV islands won't suffer from color bleeding, especially as mipmap kicks in and the texture res get lower

going to bed now. cya

[rough ginkgo]

ty for help today

[kind lance]

mfw downloading substance so I can steal help from others

[rough ginkgo]

i started learning substance in january this year, its such a great tool

[kind lance]

I started using instamat bc it's free but that's probably a throw

[old abyss]

I got the steam version which is a one time purchase, although you get stuck with that version (mine is 2023). Looking forward to get substance designer

[rough ginkgo]

wtf

i have been paying adobe this whole time

[safe elk]

Paint 3d

[kind lance]

i quite like the general procedural texturing workflow of instamat, AFAIK it's basically 1:1 with designer. It's the asset texturing that fries me

[safe elk]

Or better yet ms paint

[rough ginkgo]

the new eye under more ideal lighting conditions

[kind lance]

I'm in love with it

[rough ginkgo]

the hard part is gonna be making a new cracked effect for the dirty skin

[buoyant venture]

What I miss

[heady laurel]

Are your UV maps good? This should not happen

[drifting temple]

I'm pretty sure heightmaps should be used to complement normals. The normal will add fine surface detail, and the hm will work on the large scale depth.

[frail lily]

That's not due to UV maps, it's the normal smoothing with a lowpoly model at work, the difference you see it's not in texture but lighting, unless I'm missing what you are pointing out

[heady laurel]

I've seen this happen when you do smart UV project in blender on your models, it isn't nice.

[long tangle]

"Felt cute, might ||get to the part where I kill you|| later."

[rough ginkgo]

I didn't modify the UV, that's how it is from the original map

[obtuse locust]

could be a smooth shading artifact

[rough ginkgo]

hm? i didn't touch this model in any other software, its straight from portal 2

[heady laurel]

Vertex normals are flat, and faced oriented

They need to be shaded smooth for that to not appear

[rough ginkgo]

how would I acheive that in substance?

[heady laurel]

I assume it looked fine in substance, did you try smooth shading the model by itself?

in your modelling software

like Maya or blender etc

I still feel like it won't work if you're just using the game models and just updating it's textures

[rough ginkgo]

I can't replace the mesh with remix so I assume even if I change it to be smooth shaded in something like blender, it would be undone by importing it into source

also the model has this issue even with enhancements disabled

so i might just have to subdivide it in blender and replace it in engine

[kind lance]

It might be an issue in Gmod but not portal 2

However it was ported

[rough ginkgo]

i kind've doubt it? gmod just mounts portal 2's content

[kind lance]

Not sure then. When you import it into blender is the shading smooth like it is in portal?

[naive edge]

Cough Cough - If you want to help compensate my energy bill - and get access to the compatibility mod early - now is your chance (newest post): https://ko-fi.com/xoxor4d 🫣 👻

[buoyant venture]

https://tenor.com/view/money-dollars-cash-rich-shut-up-and-take-my-money-gif-3555042

[kind lance]

Everyone give him money or else

[naive edge]

[safe elk]

is this how ill pay (if and when) you try 2009?

[kind lance]

Bad

[heady laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-3dollars-broke-no-money-patrick-star-gif-9176068

[safe elk]

Tfym bad he said he'd look into it after p2 :kekw: I'm not like bugging him to look into it

[naive edge]

😂

[ornate heath]

https://tenor.com/view/senkosan-rainbow-fluffy-fluffy-fluff-mofu-mofu-gif-14158779

[frail lily]

"Optimized"

[lyric summit]

More like uint max

[frail lily]

@naive edge On a serious note, it runs well but it looks very empty compared to your screenshots, is this to be expected? I see very little geometry, many assets seem to be missing.

[naive edge]

Mhh that’s weird. Can you use the mat_info console cmd and paste the output here?

[naive edge]

What are your graphic settings? Does it help if you match them with mine?

[frail lily]

No, the only difference was effect detail which was set to high, but it didn't seem to make a difference anyway

Maybe I'm just not worthy

[buoyant venture]

https://tenor.com/view/portal-old-man-portal2-gif-21822263

[naive edge]

does replacing the config in portal2/portal2/cfg help?

[frail lily]

No

[buoyant venture]

[frail lily]

Also, in the first room, there is immediate culling on this emissive object, as soon as it's not visible the room loses all illumination

And just to make sure I wasn't a moron, is this the correct folder structure?

[naive edge]

yep

[naive edge]

well you are missing all the objects + the actual window texture .. which is really weird

should look like this

[kind lance]

what if Xoxor has been sharing doctored screenshots this whole time

[frail lily]

deepfaker, I knew it

let me try the ancient remedy of rebooting my system

[heady laurel]

i tried guys...

[rough ginkgo]

mine looked fine on this level

would having mat_fullbright on be causing this? its almost the same issue in gmod

[buoyant venture]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-empty-wallet-no-money-gif-14254530

[rough ginkgo]

i saw it in the launch script for p2 rtx

[safe elk]

same

[heady laurel]

nah it won't let me input the CC details

[frail lily]

I rebooted the system, my GPU isn't at 4billion% utilization anymore, but in the game nothing has changed, I've also rewritten everything just to make sure

[safe elk]

My card wont work on this

[buoyant venture]

I know, I'm the one with the empty wallet

[naive edge]

not having it on results in the bed not rendering + the window being somewhat invisible .. but its weird that its culling for him

[buoyant venture]

Hm?

[naive edge]

are there different exe versions for certain regions maybe?

[safe elk]

I tried on a new browser but it still keeps telling me my payment option cant be proccessed

[frail lily]

Could it be the disk it's installed to?

[naive edge]

I dont think so no

[kind lance]

Can't you check if there are different versions by looking at the ID on steamdb

[naive edge]

you are not on some beta branch by any chance? 😄

[frail lily]

Nope 😄

[kind lance]

[frail lily]

I'm moving it to C, just because

[frail lily]

You know what though

I didn't have the game installed, and I launched with the mod for the first time, I bet that's the issue

[naive edge]

mhh unlikely but maybe

[frail lily]

Let me verify the integrity of the files, I'll take out remix and see if launching at least once vanilla will fix it

[naive edge]

ig I have to create a build with lots and lots of debugging output so that I can see whats being called etc

[frail lily]

It didn't help, sorry

I don't know if it's of any importance, but both with the first and last install, I had to close the game on the first run because it hangs at the start when I assume it's preloading assets, it's not frozen nor anything, but it just hangs on that stage after completing the progress bar

(I waited for at least 5 mins this time)

[rough ginkgo]

open the console with the tilda key

~

its just stuck trying to get to the main menu

[frail lily]

tilde is only available on freedom keyboards, but it doesn't matter

[naive edge]

^

[frail lily]

great actress too, loved her in snowpiercer

[buoyant venture]

https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025

[naive edge]

found your / our issue. starting maps via the normal menu results in sv_cheats being set to 0

try loading into the main menu - open any sub menu like options and open the console.
Then type map sp_a1_intro1

[rough ginkgo]

pure emission 🤤

my wheatley replacement from gmod perfectly imports to p2 rtx

[frail lily]

It doesn't help T___T

[naive edge]

is sv_cheats still 1 when you are in the map?

[frail lily]

if I try to enable cheats and then load the level I get dropped

[naive edge]

uh

[rough ginkgo]

reboot the game and then launch a map with the console

[frail lily]

I can't

the console won't open in the menu

[rough ginkgo]

try adding -console to the bat file?

[frail lily]

only when I enter the game

[naive edge]

it wont for me as well .. you have to open the options menu

then you can open it

for some reason

[frail lily]

no, it doesn't work for me

so maybe the exe IS different

I don't get a console until I'm in the actual game

[naive edge]

what happens if you add +map sp_a1_intro1 to the end of the batch file?

[buoyant venture]

Now I'm curious if it would work on mine

[rough ginkgo]

the hype is real

i cannot wait to start remastering assets

@naive edge at least in the 2nd intro map, when two portals are present, this weird culling issue happens?

uhhh

[buoyant venture]

Ah, the new sky test chamber, finest engineering of Aperture Science

[thin geode]

just think of this as Chell's dream while she's asleep for all that time

[frail lily]

yeeeeesssssss

[ornate heath]

COME ON

where is the wake up scene

[rough ginkgo]

oh yea

one sec

[naive edge]

uh

[frail lily]

I'm having the same issue as @rough ginkgo , assuming that by weird culling they mean wall flickering on top of the portals on the bottom half

[rough ginkgo]

wakeup definitely needs a little TLC

[naive edge]

did you disable the fallback light?

[rough ginkgo]

no, but turning it off in that level doesnt change anything

[naive edge]

weird I know I had it working

[rough ginkgo]

i can always place lights in the toolkit anyway since you added those anchors

[naive edge]

did I send the wrong conf? portal2-rtx\map_configs

[rough ginkgo]

do i need to reboot the whole game or just the level?

[naive edge]

just replace it and use a console cmd

sec

[rough ginkgo]

i think i saw it in the readme

[naive edge]

yea, xo_mapsettings_update

[rough ginkgo]

yep that worked

[naive edge]

oh okay then the remix api is working 👍

[safe elk]

wrow

[rough ginkgo]

welp time to re-record the whole sequence

[naive edge]

I can swear that I tagged glados's eye as world ui

[rough ginkgo]

maybe also make glados's eye emissive

[frail lily]

glados is passive-emissive

[rough ginkgo]

doesnt really seem to have much granular selection over the texture map

emissive is probably the right way to go here

also uhh quicksaving crashes the game

[naive edge]

the eye is a separate texture and prob. only visible if she is active

[naive edge]

lmao right

[rough ginkgo]

hmm i still cant find it when she's active

[naive edge]

that part

[buoyant venture]

I wonder how multi-player behaves

[rough ginkgo]

i tried moving my mouse all over, the only selectable thing is her whole mesh

weird, maybe the game is bugging out, in the capture i dont even see anything that resembles her eye

[naive edge]

You are right .. I think that mesh is missing or rendered incorrectly

[rough ginkgo]

if I drop the mesh into substance i can probably find it

seems to be here, but i agree with you, i dont think its being rendered correctly

[naive edge]

yea ik I had it working and being emissive at some point

[rough ginkgo]

lemme try spawning the model in gmod and see if it has alternative texture skins

the game might not be switching over to it correctly

[naive edge]

I disabled some stuff on wakeup (mainly portal gun effects) .. maybe thats the reason

[heady laurel]

Is that glados?

[rough ginkgo]

yeah its her albedo texture

hu

ok so its probably an emissive texture in vanilla p2 + plus some shaders to make her eye glow

so in that case i can just make an emissive map

[kind lance]

Emissive map time

[rough ginkgo]

so gmod didnt give me an option to select an alternative skin, so i assumed the orange was baked into the albedo, but the one i imported from the capture doesnt have it?

what is going on

portal 2 definitely bugging out

[kind lance]

Is the eyeball a separate mesh

[rough ginkgo]

if it was i couldnt select it

[naive edge]

yea I think I've disabled it by accident

[rough ginkgo]

ok guys i fixed it /s

just paint that part yellow lmao

[naive edge]

sec I'll fix it and send you a new build

[rough ginkgo]

all good 😆

[heady laurel]

or do a face/box fill

also why are we just painting it solid yellow for emissive and not a radial gradient

[rough ginkgo]

i was being sarcastic

that isnt the actual fix

[heady laurel]

😭

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-broken-gif-7980090

[kind lance]

Let CR cook. They did with Wheatley

[naive edge]

do you happen to know the material name of the eye?

[rough ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/uhh-cat-meow-meowmeow-confused-gif-8057852975940592422

remix hash or source?

[naive edge]

source

[rough ginkgo]

apparently there are two

[buoyant venture]

Probably off and on

[rough ginkgo]

all of this rtx remix is making my room 10c hotter and im not even joking

[buoyant venture]

Perfect for Winter

Bad for the electric bill

[rough ginkgo]

too bad my winter is still 32c outside

🥹

curse this climate

[buoyant venture]

It's 85 degrees where I am

[heady laurel]

75 here lol. Remix will keep my room warm

[buoyant venture]

Time to overclock my GPU for extra heat

[echo dirge]

What are the steps to make the game work with rtx remix? Is there a guide or something?

I see that more and more people are playing with it, is there something that needs to be downloaded?

[ornate heath]

Its a mod

[echo dirge]

ofc, I just want to know how to do it too 😅

[ornate heath]

@echo dirge

[echo dirge]

😁 👍 ty

[frail lily]

Don't reveal my secrets!

[echo dirge]

left4dead 1 maps inside portal 2 😁

[heady laurel]

Technically left4dead 2 might work.

I don't know if portal 2 and l4d2 share the same engine (source build)

[buoyant venture]

They do not

They're both on their own branches

[rough ginkgo]

added some custom lights thanks to xoxor's marker system

still need to get placement right in glados's chamber so it matches the vanilla game

[rough ginkgo]

think i got it pretty close

it's kind've a hack, i placed a spot light way far up in the skybox, but then i noticed bounce light isnt really working that well so i placed a point light with a low intensity where glados is to simulate bounce

[eager vector]

What a great time to be alive

https://tenor.com/view/guts-berserk-manga-gif-22802333

[red panther]

7/10 time to be alive in the world of mods and gaming if you ask me, I’ll try to keep this short cause it is off topic, as no really game world changing games have dropped since 2018, the only games that brought new light to the table was really cyberpunk and gowr method of storytelling

[buoyant venture]

Can confrim, works on AMD

[safe elk]

😭

[buoyant venture]

At first everything was blue and I was so confused, but it was just because volumetric lighting was on which doesn't work on RDNA 3

[heady laurel]

how long has this been an issue with AMD cards

[buoyant venture]

Well RDNA 2 doesn't have this issue, it's just RDNA 3 and it's been a thing ever since the 7000 series launched

I'm suspecting it's driver related because it doesn't happen on Linux

[heady laurel]

Yes but rdna2 isn't really good enough for remix at all. And rdna3 reaches only rtx 20 series of RT performance

[buoyant venture]

RDNA 3 is actually more 30 series level

I'm on a low end GPU so mine only matches the RTX 3050

Downside is I don't have DLSS only FSR 3.1 so Ultra Performance isn't the best

[heady laurel]

Using optiscaler?