Return to Castle Wolfenstein (RTCW)

[carmine creek]

Are there any stable anchors in RTCW? Please ping any responses because I'm basically AWOL

[sly timber]

pretty much all hashes are stable

[full estuary]

Except props like chairs and trees, so we need 3-4 exports per map I'd wager to get them all

I'll do some tests

[wintry hearth]

If you can spawn in new props above the walls, you could have properly aligned textures as a facade above any problem areas

This is what I was going to do for Anox, but the entire game 😅

[full estuary]

Plus I did not see the flags @sly timber and some alarm box that I checked was missing..

[carmine creek]

Are chairs destructible? I know there's some destruction. If there's a definitive anchor that is never culled you can just do whole map replacements and go super high fidelity. It's what I did with UT99 and the results are marvelous. Any dynamic objects excluded ofc.

[sly timber]

If you throw them at the enemy yes

[full estuary]

Also if you knife them, that's what I trid. They break

[carmine creek]

Do they retain their hash until deletion?

[sly timber]

So from my studies, I've noticed that the chairs have 3 states.The one where you originally haven't sitting around the one where you pick him up and the one we are after you throw

[sly timber]

It has about three ashes

[carmine creek]

If the hashes are predictable then that's fine, just copy the replacement prims over and call it a day.

[sly timber]

So wait what's happening with the flags

I can still see them myself

[full estuary]

I did not see flags in the capture

[sly timber]

That's weird

[carmine creek]

Give me ~2 weeks until my PC is back up and then I might have enough time to help out. At the moment everything's a mess and I'm super stressed with the move, renovation, handling the job and all that.

[sly timber]

Alright

[carmine creek]

How long is the competition going?

[sly timber]

I believe it said until july eighteenth

[full estuary]

@sly timber what about enemies? Any way to do replacement as they are now? Do I need to study-up and turn them into those gpu skinned-meshes ?

[sly timber]

we will need to do gpu skinning, their hashes are too unstable

[full estuary]

Who could point me to some documentation about that? Would xoxor know? I have no idea what gpu skinning is, so I need to start from 0

googling it did not yield useful results

[sly timber]

I belive xor might know but im not too sure

that being said i think if and when we get gpu skinning all we will need to do is replace them, we wont need to change the animation because its a good ammount fluid mocap

[full estuary]

Hey @novel token I need some hints. I want to use GPU skinning for the enemies in RTCW, the problem is I don't know what that is or where to find some docs. Is that the Skeleton/Meshes feature from DX9, or something else?

[sly timber]

also with the foliage being unstable, i think we can just use the base as the stable hash to attach the foliage and ignore the old textures

[novel token]

Not at my pc but you need the bone matrices and instead of setting the WORLD transform, you can set up to 256 bone transforms with the indexed world transform (just look at the definition of the world transform and you’ll see what I mean)

The. You need to enable indexed vertex blending via a Renderstate and you need to define the blend weight via a renderstate

[full estuary]

Thanks, that is a good starting point 🙏

[open canopy]

Will that change the hashing for anything other than the enemies or other animated elements? i.e. would any change that would stabilize the hashing of these elements necessitate recapturing the rest of the scene too?

[sly timber]

the games hashes around the world are already stable if thats what you mean

[full estuary]

I think it will only change the hashes of enemies, The enemies are drawn with their own DrawCalls, and Remix computes a has per DrawCall. And since the world is rendered in separate Drawcalls, no hashes should change. The order of the Darawcalls does not matter, only the contents

Also, I'm trying to finalize this. Configurable torches fires, if we decide to use the ingame ones

[sly timber]

will there be the ability to move the torch around?

looks hella cool tho

[full estuary]

not, yet done, but I want to do it

[sly timber]

yeah, thats really the only downside with the dynamic lights is misplacement and minor discoloration other than that if we can get thoes out of the way i think itll be a good thing to show off in th contest, dynamic lights

speaking of flashlight, mine has weirdly stopped working

nvm i fixed it

[open canopy]

I think if you have the dynamic lights from hearths/torches/candles worked out, escape1 could be a really good showcase for the contest. Nothing says "Wolfenstein" quite like an escape from a dungeon full of Nazis, and the flickering lights playing off the wood floors and stone walls would be a great showcase for the RTX lighting improvements. Plus, texture misalignments aside, wouldn't escape1 have fewer unique elements and more repeated elements than village2?

[sly timber]

well

escape 1 while it is cool in its sense of showcasing it but its genuinely got too many texture issues where the devs where lazy/hoped someone wouldnt notic. while the fact that there are fewer elements that are unique, thoes elements are scattered accross the map in different lengths which cause issues with tiling

while village2 may have alot of unique textures, they are well tiled textures

and village 2 has alot of different elements to its mapping we can untilize

outdoors

indoors

dense areas

watered areas

etc

so if we are trying to get a good demo down for a competition, this is the one we should use

[sudden steppe]

Are the mesh hashes stable?
If so, you guys could mesh replace the corners with actual brick meshes, or attach brick pillars to stable meshes

[sly timber]

thats the plan,,, but not a plan for the competition

mostly because there are alot alot of variations to that specific texture (again all being misaligned or using different wrap arounds)

or doorways, windows etc

[sudden steppe]

I mean, you only need one brick mesh, placed all around

[sly timber]

i mean, i suppose if we can get a mesh done in its varients then it would be doable but i dont know anyone who isnt an nvidia employee who could do that

but i still think village 2 is a better demonstration for rtx in the competition

[open canopy]

Those color mismatches--are they an issue with the textures, or with how Remix is processing them? As I've been working on Jedi Outcase I've noticed the renderer making replacment textures too dark or too bright as it tries to strip out any baked lighting. I asked @jolly swallow if there might be a way to bypass, but apparently the issue is too deeply entrenched in the way the renderer works.

[sly timber]

its an issue with the origional game

[sudden steppe]

Here is what I did for morrowind as an example. Same mesh for the 4 corners

[sly timber]

the devs used low res textures and they just slapped them on without thinking about it (i a sense)

yeah

but then we would need to make seperate models for

upper castle walls that use that brick texture
windows
the archway
doors
the basement for their individual use of the texture

ill prolly get to it if it comes down to it being escape one with friends help

[jolly swallow]

Hmm, is the baked lighting in the texture, or the vertex color? I added an option to disable baked lighting correction on vertex colors recently, you could try turning that off.
rtx.vertexColorIsBakedLighting for that, I think the UI is in the parameter tuning tab as Vertex Color Is Baked Lighting.

[sly timber]

hi mark

[sly timber]

in thoes images i belive the color mismatching was just from the sphere fallback light

i dont know abt 91signs issue tho

[jolly swallow]

guess I'm not sure what I was summoned for then.

[sly timber]

I dont know either, sorry

[open canopy]

sorry!

[jolly swallow]

no worries! just remember that I have 0 context when you summon me, and it's kinda hard to read the past conversation and know what you're specifically asking

[sudden steppe]

Ah so thats why my demons keep attacking me when I summon them

[open canopy]

In the sample images to show a texture issue, what jumped out at me first was the color mismatch, and I thought that perhaps the vertex color issue you'd worked on for Morrowind (and the possibly related issue I'd raised based on what I'd seen in JO) might be relevant to the issue the RtCW team was having with these textures not matching up.

[sly timber]

The textures not matching up in the end is just the map itself

[open canopy]

Would some kind of edge texture decal possibly help? I'm wondering if the solution might be to create a decal texture that would wrap around that edge and cover up the wonky seaam, and could feather into the rock texture on the adjoining faces. I read a good tutorial on this a few days ago, but can't find it anymore. So long as the block height is consistent, I could see this possibly requiring less new work than having to make a replacement for each individual door frame.

[sly timber]

we would have to make the decal work for all different seams

[carmine creek]

Hi, ping me in 2 weeks pls

[sly timber]

will do

[sly timber]

another thing my friend is working on

[full zinc]

sure. we'll have to see what i can do to actually help, but i'd be willing 🙂

[sly timber]

alrighty

[sly timber]

(O forgot to say but obviously not finished)

[open canopy]

Those drips look great. For the competition, the candles might be a great place to use some subsurface scattering. I got the feeling from the contest rules that they're looking for mods that show off some of the latest features they've added to the renderer, so this might be good place to show off that feature.

[full estuary]

New build https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-SP/actions/runs/15160957294

Just the configuration GUI added, that I showed in the previous video. Flashlight is now offset, to sit on the left shoulder

[sly timber]

Let's.
Go

[full estuary]

activate with: toggle r_showimgui / Alt+C / F8

[sly timber]

Also, if anything weird gets sent through texts. My streets just access books headsaying. The wrong things do to new update.

Speech to text

Gotta love android

[full estuary]

:hehe:

[sly timber]

Yeah , once i'm home , I'll try the new build

[full estuary]

As long as the texts do not commit any verbal abuse we good.

[sly timber]

Lol

[full estuary]

Game input is blocked while the window is active, so you cannot use toggle to close it. Use Alt+C or F8 or click on Close

If you dislike Alt+C or F8 for some reason, you can disable them in wolf_config.ini: [Settings] -> imgui_allow_shortcut_keys = 0

There is a weird issue when going from FS to Windowed or the otherway around, Loading the game takes about 20-30s to start rendering. Just quit game if you change video settings. \vid_restart in console does something similar

TODO list (and bugs to be fixed):

1. go from FS to windowed and Load cutscene -> crash. Use \spdevmap cutscene
2. go from FS to windowed and Load game -> hangs 20s before game starts rendering. Quit game and Restart after video settings change
3. not all entities are part of export (flags, chais, cell doors, alrm boxes) -> they load when PC is in the same room. Test with r_drawworld 0 and \noclip
4. customize dynamic lights: allow moving them from original position, and changing their color
5. GPU Skinning (Skeletal Meshes) don't know the exact terminology -> basically getting NPC exportable/editable in Remix Toolkit

I'm thinking on working on 5 with high prio, and 4 when 5 makes me tear my hair out 😆

[sly timber]

[full estuary]

But I guess we need point number 3. handled somehow, so that we have as few exports as possible? Or, what do you think? Can you do some exports and confirm. I've only exported escape1 and tried replacing some textures..

[sly timber]

3 captures for the remaster? I got the whole map in 2

for escape one that is

[full estuary]

^ edited my previous message

I made an export of escape1 right from Prison Cell, and did not see any Flags in Remix Toolkit

[sly timber]

uno momento

[full estuary]

Try it again or delete WolfSP.dxvk-cache

[sly timber]

alright well

after looking into it, it seems the props follow the old vistree

trying to noclip around breaks it

[full estuary]

Yes, this is what I've observed too. Also for example if norway, go up in the sky and cross between the two zones at the beggining: trees from the old zone gets despawned

[sly timber]

i would say we could just stop tehm from culling but with as many animated ones as there is i think it would cause a performance drop

[full estuary]

Ok, so I will not bother too much with it. If I find an easy solution to stop culling them: I'll create a cvar to enable/disable entity culling.

[sly timber]

seems reasonable enough

also i am curious on #5 on the list, do you think itll fix these guys too? theoretically if it workss

or are these a different problem alltogether

[full estuary]

Do we need those fixed?

Or we need them captured , replaced..

[sly timber]

i mean its not nessisary but if we want a high quality model for the competition yeah'

otherwise no we dont really need them fixed lol

[full estuary]

TODO and BUGS list:

1. go from FS to windowed and Load cutscene -> crash. Use \spdevmap cutscene
2. go from FS to windowed and Load game -> hangs 20s before game starts rendering. Quit game and Restart after video settings change
3. not all entities are part of export (flags, chais, cell doors, alrm boxes) -> they load when PC is in the same room. Test with r_drawworld 0 and \noclip
4. customize dynamic lights: allow moving them from original position, and changing their color
5. GPU Skinning (Skeletal Meshes) don't know the exact terminology -> basically getting NPC exportable/editable in Remix Toolkit
6. Spinning fan and spinning textures in general do not work -> debug into Remix to figure out
7. oscilloscope Box in xlabs not rendering properly -> fix above, then maybe implement 3 texture Rendering
8. twosided-transparent-textures like spiderwebs and ceiling fan, one of the sides do not work properly
9. Capture Swinging skeleton cages
10. Metalic mesh Walkway in UberSoldat Bossbattle does not render - ughh

[mighty lotus]

The rebirth of the rtcw chat

[sly timber]

it never died we just moved to a dif server

but now we have a goal so we needa discuss it here

[mighty lotus]

Sorry, “immigrated”

Well either way, looks like ya got a long to do list ahead of you guys

I’m Sure it’s gonna be great when it’s done

[full estuary]

Seeing people work makes me feel good too (anoints my soul, in my language, but that sounds sketchy in english)

Eh, we won't fix em all, ain't nobody got time fo' that. Having lists is beneficial for the psyche tho'

I learned that from work: won't fix this, won't fix that.. nobody need that other one.. done!

[sly timber]

quite literally lol

from my work ive learned "if its not noticable or understandable to thoes who dont know, they will continue to not know until they are told there is a problem"

[full estuary]

I almost forgot. Dynamic lights, and that includes weapon muzzleflash is NOW a Remix Light (it was DX9 Light). SO it might behave a tad differently, or maybe not. I had to activate Preset D to make the escape1 torture room electricity flashes not cause that checkerboard artifact with Transformer

[sly timber]

neat

i guess speaking of muzzle flash i do want to try out embergen rq on the flamethrower and torches for escape one today

dont quite know how well be able to use it tho because the particles look 3 dimensional

[full estuary]

I've seen tadpole's work for cod2, it would be great

[sly timber]

i might as well ask him abt it

though

[sly timber]

it wasnt usefull lol

the tutorial i mean not the app

made my own fire for the flamethrower

oh

uh

[sly timber]

blender

[full zinc]

@sly timber ping me if/when you need help for textures. that's about the extent of my abilities. wish i could do more 😦

[sly timber]

Textures is fine, whenever you feel like it you could do some of the escape1 textures, maybe the outside walls

Do you own wolfenstein?

[full zinc]

yes

[sly timber]

Alright

Also I hope to aim for mostly non ai textures in this project (but iont care abt Ai assisted textures in the matter) if that's okay and doable

[full zinc]

yeah, i was planning on only using CC0 textures and modifying them myself

no AI

[sly timber]

Alright

Thank you for your help too, it is much appreciated

[full zinc]

you have the latest rtx.conf by chance?

[sly timber]

Yeah one second

[sly timber]

You'll also want to use this build

[full zinc]

thanks

[full zinc]

@sly timber okay after 2 hours of relearning instamat, i got this

color is a bit off, but is it otherwise acceptable?

if you say no i will not take offense lol. i'm just learning again

[full zinc]

got them matched a lot better now

[full zinc]

i'll work on making it more faithful tomorrow

[tribal trail]

Very nice, just needs some roughness and normal maps

[full zinc]

that's the fun part. it has them already 😛

the lighting is just so bad that it looks flat

it's just skybox lighting, and not with a proper HDRI

[tribal trail]

Ah, shows what a difference it makes!

[sly timber]

this looks Hella good

Speaking of, @sudden steppe am i still allowed to use your basement bricks you made for the comp?

[sudden steppe]

Sure, go ahead

[sly timber]

Alright, thank you

[full estuary]

bodies (animated) and heads are distinct entities:

At least the bodies have the concept of bones, which means I only need to translate them for DX9 usage

[sly timber]

wow

[jolly swallow]

This is pretty common. The heads or faces are often separate meshes, to separate facial animation / blending from the skeletal animation the rest of th body uses.

[sly timber]

I am curious tho saint does that mean the heads have no bones/cant be turned into gpu skeletons?

[jolly swallow]

If they're using blend shapes or some other cpu or shader driven animation system, Remix cant do mesh replacements on them.

[open canopy]

Can Remix do texture replacements on animated faces, so we can at least use normal mapping to add the appearance of detail? I think the deformations make the meshes unstable, but I could envision a solution where we could work backwards and do a bulk replace operation. Basically, ID every face mesh that uses a given texture, and replace that texture with a set of PBR textures.

[open canopy]

It could be worse. I think I've seen characters in idTech3 games made out of at least 6 separately skinned pieces (face, head, hands, upper body, lower body, and accessories). It looks like this is grouping face/head/accessories into one entity, and upper body/lower body/hands into a second entity, rather than handling them all independently.

[sly timber]

im pretty sure to my knowledge saint is currently working on having them working with gpu skinning #1229858482530943037 message #5 ofc i cant say for certain thats whats goin down rn but

[open canopy]

It sounded like that might only be a solution for the bodies, if games don't use skeletal animation for heads/faces. That's why I was suggesting an alternate solution for those. It wouldn't let us do enhanced geometry in-game for heads and faces (which would be a shame if we ever wanted to get fancy with things like hair cards), but would still offer a pathway to enhanced textures and normal maps for the faces to get more apparent detail.

[full estuary]

In the above case, the faces had stable hashes. THe eyes blinked for a second but that was an extra triangle that did not affect the hash

I don't remeber how the hashes looked in JediOutcast tho

An yea I'm trying to figure out how the meshes are handled in the engine and implement gpu skinning

[sly timber]

Doesn't it break when they speak tho in the above

[full estuary]

I was notarget. They did not speak at me. We'd have to check the intro cutscene I guess. Do you know if speaking breakes the hash?

[open canopy]

(And I'm not just trying to lurk to get info for my JediOutcast mod--I'm trying to decide whether to table that until after the contest and try to help here instead, because I think this is more likely to be contest-ready by July.)

[sly timber]

Yeah, because when they blink it's just an overlay texture, the heads themselves break when whistling and speaking

[full estuary]

Ah, I see. Well the torso and legs have 'bones' so that might help us. I wonder if I could do something about heads too, since they are a different type of mesh; they do something else to warp the vertices there

[sly timber]

High poly body low poly heads

The hardest model replacements will definitely be the npcs

Because where gonna need someone to make lifelike proportional clothing, body, etc

[open canopy]

Per https://wolfenstein.fandom.com/wiki/Id_Tech_3, the stock idTech3 engine was pure per-vertex animation, with licensees adding skeletal animation where needed. Some of the tools at https://jkhub.org/files/category/75-utilities/?sortby=file_downloads&sortdirection=desc (e.g. ModView or Noesis) might be helpful to see how these models are animated

[full estuary]

Thanks, I’ll look over those

[full estuary]

I’m investigating whether I can implement gpu skinning on the bodies. They do have the concept of ‘bones’ in the code so I hope I can identify which transforms can be moved from cpu to gpu 🤞

[sly timber]

How exactly where they handled in the opengl version if you know at all, is it similar to dx9 with skinning?

[jolly swallow]

Any texture the game passes to the GPU can be replaced, although if the textures are generated dynamically there may be an infinite number of possible textures.

[open canopy]

I think the situation here is 1-2 textures being used for each face, but the mesh being sent to the GPU is being generated dynamically through per-pixel animation.

[jolly swallow]

A technique I believe the HL2 team is using - replace the face / head using conventional game modding, and make the body very simple. That way you can preserve the original game's perf (make the head expensive and the body cheap) and then replace the cheap body with Remix. It just needs to have 1 triangle affected by each bone to make sure the engine sends all the bones down.

[jolly swallow]

per-vertex, I assume? that's probably blend shapes or something like it, and yeah, Remix can't replace those meshes.

[sly timber]

wait is this rtcw we are talking about or jedi nights 😅

[open canopy]

Both--same underlying engine. So I'm trying to apply what I've been learning about how the engine works in JO to brainstorm solutions for the issues here.

[open canopy]

Sorry, I meant to type " per-vertex." Unless the developers for RtCW implemented something different after they licensed the engine, my understanding is the facial animation uses keyframes with individual vertex information, rather than a skeletal animation system.

[jolly swallow]

yep. Remix has no way to reliably identify and track meshes that have changing vertex data

[sly timber]

this will likely have to be the case for us too if its per vertex animation for the head then- unfortunate 😓

[jolly swallow]

yep. Not ideal, but there's no straightforward way to apply per-vertex animation from one face onto another face, even if we could track that face across frames reliably

[full zinc]

@sly timber if we're gonna be in the competition, imo we should focus on a demo for one level. we should figure out which level has the most potential with Remix and focus on that one

[sly timber]

True

[full zinc]

3 people isn't enough to do the whole game at the required quality level

[sly timber]

I think village 2 but outsiders have said escape1, i kinda dont want to do escape1 tho

but ive just been working on escape1

[full zinc]

escape1 is too dark to have a lot of potential for the outside areas, and the inside areas are all same-y

we need a lot of variety in whatever level we choose imo

[sly timber]

see thats what i was thinking

thats why village2

outside areas, inside areas that arent too similar

[full zinc]

yeah, exactly

that one sounds good to me

[sly timber]

alright then

[full zinc]

can you maybe send me a save for that level?

[sly timber]

aye aye

[full zinc]

i can repurpose the textures i've made already for most levels

[full zinc]

thank ya

[sly timber]

ofc

self link here eventual to-do list, buy jack

im also gonna get my friend to remodel the starting car

[sly timber]

nice, looks a bit messy but i think itll work

[full zinc]

OG texture looked pretty messy too, so i was trying to emulate that

[sly timber]

gotcha

[full zinc]

althoughhh i made the bricks too small

matches a lot better

[sly timber]

yeah that looks better

[full zinc]

roof completed

need to make the bricks a tiny bit brighter i think

i'll stop updating here for every little advancement lol

[sly timber]

nah you should totally do that (if you want) its cool as hell to see

[full zinc]

one on the right is done now

pretty damn happy considering i just started on this last night lol

[sly timber]

Fire

Also jack acquired

So if we need to edit the underlying maps we can

To suit our needs

As well as the noc head issue

[full zinc]

awesome

[sly timber]

Still can't belive it costs money to get idtech hammer editor (that actually functions)

[full zinc]

yeah 😦

also shit idk how to approach this texture:

i'm thinking it should be replaced with just a bare wall, and we attach a new mesh to it for the part that's supposed to be sticking out

[sly timber]

Seems like the logical solution

An easy to make model too

[full zinc]

someone else would have to make that mesh though

[sly timber]

I'll be on it tmrw likely

[full zinc]

so i'll do the brick replacement for now

huh new PBRify did better than expected

not gonna use this, was just curious lol

[sly timber]

That is p cool

[full zinc]

the closest i could get

but it's not good

[sly timber]

Kim turning into stone after working on 13 different brick models

I think it looks good enough for the given texture

[sly timber]

Altho i wonder why the top texture isn't replaced too, is it a different texture?

[full zinc]

yeah, different one

unfortunately there are a lot of textures like this in this map. it leads to very harsh edges between the different textures

[sly timber]

Ahh

Yeahh

Gosh darn devs not thinking of us moders

[full zinc]

lol

aha i found a perfect procedural pattern to use

[sly timber]

What's the seams look like

[full zinc]

hang on

[sly timber]

We can fix thoes corners with some models n the bottom one looks pretty good seam wize

[full zinc]

so it's actually not a different one, it's just the same one but with a different hash

that makes this easier lol

[sly timber]

Thats what I figured

My idea for hiding thoes corners (assuming it's a house( is wooden beaming maybe

[full zinc]

new one

it's much closer to the original texture

just need to make it a little bit cooler to match

there

[sly timber]

It looks so natural

[full zinc]

is that a good thing?

[sly timber]

Rather be natural and unnatural lol

But fr it looks very close to the original without taking too much away from it overall

If only remix supported the parallax effect that spider man miles morales, I'd use that effect on the windows

[full zinc]

how's the ground?

whoops had it too glossy by mistake

[sly timber]

I was abt to say lol it looked a little shiny but yeah it looks good, I like the brustle in the cracks

[full zinc]

it looks SO BAD without RR

how TF did we ever live without this

[sly timber]

No clue

[full zinc]

CNN looks better actually. less noise issues

[sly timber]

Wait i wonder, do you have the lightmap setting on or off?

[full zinc]

nvm it's much worse close up

[full zinc]

where's that?

[sly timber]

System

[full zinc]

it won't let me into that menu

[sly timber]

Wdym

[full zinc]

it just goes back to the game, or the main menu lol

it flashes for a sec then does that

[sly timber]

Weird

[full zinc]

why though?

[sly timber]

Lightmaps are what we are using for all the models, they have a different hash than vertex lighting

[full zinc]

mm

i was using your game config from a few months ago

wanna send the current one?

[sly timber]

Vertex light is controlled in the autoexec.cfg, it should be called "vertexlight 1" or similar, you'll want to switch that to zero

I'll have to send the conf in the morning if it's not there either

[full zinc]

it is set to 1

😦 this means i have to redo all of the texture assignments doesn't it

[sly timber]

Likely,,, im sorry I forgot to think about that

But at least you dont have to make new ones from scratch

[full zinc]

okay well thankfully it wasn't that hard

all fixed now

look at the walls

they're so nice

not 100% sure how to go about doing these

[full zinc]

lol

[full zinc]

okay. gonna stop there tonight

[full estuary]

Just realized that with latest update, the default value for Radius of Static Lights makes it too small to poke thru those streetlamps. If you want it back just use the Alt+C menu and modify the Radius and hit Save to Map. But before that, make sure to Save to Global the original values, otherwise bug (they become the new default until game restart)

[full zinc]

that'll help a looot

[full estuary]

there's also a flashlight, do you know how to activate?

[full zinc]

i don't lol

that'd have also helped a lot

[full estuary]

in console type:

\bind v "toggle r_rmx_flashlight"

v is your preffered key

Sorry about that, maybe we needed a sync to talk about these things ? 😅

Also, not sure about the policy with those static lights

I think they appear in the capture/export

And to get all of them active one would have to play the whole level

I'm thinking we do a proper export with all static light activated, and that can be used to adjust position/color/radiance in toolkit. And the rest of the exports are done with Lights off (that Alt+C menu turns them on/off) - but Bailey has the final word here

I really like how this is turning up. Good job Kim!

[full zinc]

it'd be good to catch up yeah 🙂

thank you for the info

[full zinc]

this is how it looks when you kick btw lol

we're gonna need to replace a few different meshes

pathways like this look very bad because it's just reusing the main floor tile pattern, and it's misaligned

and this just reuses brick wall patterns from a building

stairs are also problematic

[full zinc]

this will look so good once everything is updated

[full estuary]

😍

[full zinc]

the difference lol

i've now done most of the textures possible without learning the layering stuff. that's been a pain in the ass and i can't figure it out

will need to watch more videos on it

[full zinc]

how do we want to share mod files?

[sly timber]

Uhm

I suppose you could send both the package mod and mod project usd? Is that possible with the toolkit?

[full zinc]

should be

i'll do that after i get up

about to slep

eep*

the files are only like 150mb

[sly timber]

Alright

Have a good sleep kim

[sly timber]

next step, remember how to make an hdri

[full estuary]

Not sure how helpful this is, typing this in console \set r_logFile 1 will create a file gl_00.log which contains all the 'shader' names - this name usually maps to a texture name. I mostly used this for stabilizing hashes and renderer bugs, but I disabled all the data dumps in the latest release so it looks cleaner --also made lightmaps the active rendering mode -so we're officially switched 😄

Also I wanted to say that I'll be away starting tomorrow until next Wednesday, I may be less active on Discord too

[sly timber]

new remix bug i think, i dont have any ignored texture

[sly timber]

noted

[full estuary]

That first one with the tower is r_novis

Maybe we cover it up in toolkit with a fake mesh? Duplicate the visible tower face maybe..

I'll go check the second..

[sly timber]

i could always just model the rest of the building that shows for the tower, should be an easy fix

[full estuary]

We have something similar just at the end of escape1, if you look thru the windows, on that last corridor. Not the whole castle is modeled

[sly timber]

ah

[full estuary]

Hmm

Maybe you have a texture set to ignore that I don't?

[full zinc]

i had the same thing

lots of missing geometry

[full estuary]

Yea I have an old rtx.conf -testing with the new one rn

Gah I still don't see that

[sly timber]

weird

[full estuary]

post your wolfconf and autoexec ?

[full estuary]

Missing geometry as in stuff that normally should be visible to a player? i.e. which is not using noclip to fly around?

[full zinc]

no, in captures. my bad

during gameplay it was fine

unique bailey issue i guess

[full estuary]

Aha, so we know that doors, signposts, chairs, breakables are culled if the player is not in proximity

If it's other geometry than that maybe I need to look into it.. ?

[full zinc]

there is a lot of geometry that was being culled when i did my captures, not just those objects. entire walls and buildings were missing in captures

[full estuary]

shii, please check in console and make sure r_novis and r_nocull are both 1

when you have time ofc

[full zinc]

yeah that'll be about 12 hours from now. sorry 😦

[full estuary]

np. I believe you said u're going to sleep, pleasant dreams

[full zinc]

if i ever get to bed, yeah. i keep getting distracted

lol

[full estuary]

😂

[full zinc]

it's totally not 9 AM rn

[sly timber]

now the long and grueling process of using outdated software to extrack things for J.A.C.K

[full estuary]

7zip worked for me to extract and repack paks

I needed a pak extractor only for quake2 I think

[sly timber]

wasnt 7zip recently compromised

[full estuary]

I'm not in the loop..

[full zinc]

7 zip has all kinds of exploits that are constantly being patched

use nanazip. it's a fork that's much better in just about every way

[sly timber]

this?

[full zinc]

yep

you can get it on github though if you want

https://github.com/M2Team/NanaZip/releases

[sly timber]

easy enough

[full zinc]

it also supports ZTSD which is a much much better compression algorithm. it gets smaller file sizes and is also usually faster

[sly timber]

shit

[full estuary]

Grr

[sly timber]

i love outdated software!!! i love manually adding textures (now i remember why i stopped making jack maps)

bit better but its not all directories

if only it had native rtcw support, it has q3 support but

im not going to bother with this for the tower for now, just going to use blender

https://youtu.be/my71LfTdBtY for now we got this video

[sly timber]

My specific to do list this week

---

Model side of building
Model miniature stones to replace the oddly jagged steps
Make 3d windows
Import my friends car model when he finishes it

Obviously not positive o can get them all done this week but I know I can get 1 and 2 done fairly quickly

for the windows I want to add simple depth to them, IE just basically adding a transparent window with drapes behind them

[sly timber]

to get that parallax effect (this isnt my plan its just the idea, a sketch if you would)

the red would be the drapes

[full estuary]

sounds good. I'm getting curious how it's going to look ingame

[sly timber]

progress

[sly timber]

Also research, Mercedes benz 770 model k

You know the deal with it

[sly timber]

also for the sake of saving headaches, https://ambientcg.com/view?id=WoodFloor043

[sly timber]

will add textures for it in the remix menu

[normal wharf]

bb i need your help pls

in general

[sly timber]

uhhh well

did you buy the steam version

[normal wharf]

yeah

[sly timber]

ok

[sly timber]

also this specific model will be for buildings without insides because its bulky

so

drag and drop the rtx remix files first, then the exe latest build from https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-SP

[normal wharf]

am i right that this is all remix files?

[sly timber]

no

thats just the trex

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/releases

this is the full thing

[normal wharf]

it works... but not quite yet

oh wait a second i forgot to create that file

[sly timber]

Reset your wolf.conf

[normal wharf]

wolf conf where is it

[sly timber]

In main

[normal wharf]

am i blind

[sly timber]

Then try putting this in main

[normal wharf]

😭

[sly timber]

I mean we are getting closer at least...

Is there something called rtx.conf near the base exe?

[normal wharf]

no

no rtx conf in game folder at all

[sly timber]

Then can you add this next to the exe

[sly timber]

Hm

[normal wharf]

still this shit pops up

[sly timber]

I can't really tell what the issue is here it's oddly peculiar

[normal wharf]

(

this is log files

[sly timber]

Alright

Saint might know when they are free but they'll be out all week :/ so ill ping you when he's back

[normal wharf]

ok ty for help

[sly timber]

Ofc

[carmine creek]

Keep track of where assets are sourced from, even if CC0. 😉

[sly timber]

thats what im doing

[carmine creek]

[full estuary]

@normal wharf [RemixApi] RemixApi initialization failed: 8 <-- I'm willing to bet this is the crash with RemixAPI and Remix 1.0.0 release

Plese take latest Remix from github actions

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/actions/runs/15197652510

rtx-remix-for-x86-games-bb4f003-821-release

[normal wharf]

i just have a question how to download files from artifacts😅

oh i find the way how to download

[normal wharf]

IT WORK!!!!

@sly timber

[sly timber]

hooray

[full zinc]

@sly timber

Sooo what i need you to model at some point when possible:

• doorways
• stonework on building corners
• fix this somehow: #1229858482530943037 message
• the stair meshes
• pathway meshes: #1229858482530943037 message

it sucks but i can't really progress until any of that is done. i was going to use displacement for the stonework, but because of the way displacement looks on corners, it'd have looked pretty terrible and weird

i might take a crack at the pathway because it's fairly simple. would be something easy to start with

[sly timber]

if you can handle the pathway my plan is to make stone models for the stairs and a top stone for the tops of the "rails"

the tops of the stone walls i guess

as for doorways ill see what i can do

[full zinc]

sounds good. ty

[full estuary]

Maybe I'm nitpicking, but my brain just kept fixating on this floor ever since I saw this. I'm thinking it would be real easy to stumble on those raised corners; maybe lower them just a bit, the ideea is if people walk on them they will wear down, and they wouldn't have sharp corner/edges, they would be rounded/dulled. What do you think?

[full zinc]

it's just the displacement value being too high

i didn't finetune it much

[sudden steppe]

Instead, make the texture tile twice as much, so you get more realistic scale to human size and lower displacement depth

two stoned birds, you know the saying

[carmine creek]

👆 it's a good idea to author your textures at roughly equal size be it 1x1m, 2x2m, 4x4m etc. Also not a bad idea to create a debug UV size grid with markings when you're applying textures to original geometry that way you can see the relationship in actual texel scale compared to your desired scale.

[full zinc]

damn, that's what was off about it

i recreated the pattern properly but forgot about the size lmao

[full zinc]

better?

reduced displacement strength

i'll be working on this floor texture tonight

[sudden steppe]

Hmm yeah. Very good. Still think an extra 2x could go a long way but it looks really good already

[full zinc]

even more? wow

i've definitely seen brick flooring that size IRL though

[sudden steppe]

You might want to break the repetition by using more variety between the bricks, you can see some long lines stretching all the way already

The thing that makes bricks strong is layering them in odds and evens

Having "accidents" in the middle when smaller bricks gets used to fill the gaps and break uniformity is what gives brick walls their charming characteristics in textures

Walls/floors...

[sudden steppe]

Just eyeballing it rn. The current iteration already looks stunning

[full zinc]

i agree. unfortunately that's a limitation of the procedural texture i'm using. trying to bypass it without actually editing the entire very complex graph for it isn't going too well

[full zinc]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/301

it'd be awesome to finally have this though

that's about the best i can do

ooo i did it

@sly timber you have a memory leak issue by chance?

[sly timber]

To my knowledge no but I haven't been in rtcw itself since I last posted the vid here lol

I've been inside the toolkit and blender tryna do the windows n stones

You ever get that feeling where something looks fine but you just dont like it

[full zinc]

yup

[sly timber]

Yeah

[full zinc]

floor texture looks a lot better now

stressed about trying to do these corner designs. idk if it'll even look okay because of the way displacement works on corners

[sly timber]

They'll likely be replaced by models sooner or later, i wouldn't sweat the bricks, but maybe for now just make it into a solid non cornered wall

From the looks of it it looks like brick with a peeling plaster/plaster esc cover

[full zinc]

if you mean the middle of it, it's the same as the bricks on the left

i need to try to simulate plaster on them

[sly timber]

Prolmy going to be hard isn't it

[full zinc]

yes 😦

the material has a plaster option, but it looked very bad due to the tiling on the wall

and RTCW just keeps crashing when alt tabbed which makes it very hard to finetune the materials

always after a memory leak

[sly timber]

Weird, have you tried cleaning installing?

I'll check if I get any when im on pc tmrw too

[full zinc]

this was a clean install 😦

[sly timber]

Ig we should probably give you the steam version we have it might be better in a way anyways (plus for easy installs) but it is weird

Saint is out tho so well have to figure out the root cause ourselves

Iirc the last time there was a memory leak it was switching on rtx and off again

[full zinc]

mm

it could just be from alt tabbing. bridge might not like it

[full zinc]

current attempt

[sly timber]

Not bad actually

Are you able to make the plaster effect slightly more tan then the bricks itself?

Only slightly

[full zinc]

i can. that's where the problems usually come in though. it creates a very noticeable pattern with the tiling

[sly timber]

Ahh

Then probably shouldn't bother with that for now

[sly timber]

Looks good

[full zinc]

was able to introduce a little more color variation

doesn't look much different there but it does from other angles lol

[sly timber]

I will forever be always morbidly curious on the original devs direction for this village, because they go for both a materialized "modern" (for its time) structure but play it out to have simplistic maybe even rustic building materials

[full zinc]

in-game

[sly timber]

Oo now that looks nice

[full zinc]

roughness needs to be increased a bit

but yaa

i like it

[full zinc]

it was very shiny from sharper angles before. doesn't make sense for worn plaster

but yeah this looks a lot better than before i think

[sly timber]

A much improved overall texture

[full zinc]

also fixed up this texture a bit

gonna work on the wood flooring now

[sly timber]

Good luck to your hands after tryna figure out what wood type the intention was

[full zinc]

first try!

[sly timber]

Nice

[full zinc]

i did reduce the height variance though. looked a bit weird

that fire is ridiculous though lmao

[sly timber]

What you mean the dynamic lights system

[full zinc]

yeah. i did tweak it, but reducing it too much led to insane strobing

[sly timber]

Yeah its a wip thing

Hopefully soon we can adjust color and position but obviously that's not high on the list priority rn

[full zinc]

it's nice to have it at all

[sly timber]

Yeah

[full zinc]

NRC was off in your config

turning that on fixed the strobing issue

[sly timber]

Oh

Huh

[full zinc]

it was set to importance sampled, which is horrible

ReSTIR GI actually looks best here

[sly timber]

Looks like another thing to make a model for, the vase of the fireplace, unless you think a texture would be the better idea

[full zinc]

100% new mesh

[sly timber]

And this is what I mean for what I said earlier abt the original devs, it seems to be an older style fireplace, but with a more modern build structure with the base of the pit

And the multiple stone differences

[full zinc]

yeah...

that's why i'm just trying to recreate whatever they did instead of working on actual historical stuff

it's a mess lol

[sly timber]

Yeah lol it is

Id probably assume the devs weren't in deep connection to the housing style and probably just had a huge ammount if references and took some liberties

[full zinc]

finished the ceiling pattern

original

had to do some cursed shit to make this one work

the original material couldn't do long tiles, so i had to use a transform node to make it look like it was. then made it seamless

then had to rotate and crop it afterward with xnconvert to get the required 2:1 aspect ratio

then the game and toolkit both crashed at the same time

[sly timber]

When i saw this i thought of that one ncis "enhance" scene

[full zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/comedy-parody-adult-swim-ntsfsdsuv-piper-gif-3454000

[sly timber]

https://tenor.com/view/comedy-parody-adult-swim-ntsfsdsuv-piper-gif-3454000

[full zinc]

CSI lol

[sly timber]

Oh was it csj

Csi

[full zinc]

wtf is this supposed to be

it looks almost like it has planks in it

[sly timber]

Id say

It looks like maybe stripped bark almost but that doesn't feel right

Maybe it's half rotted wood

[full zinc]

it's for the fireplace mantel

to me it looks like oak with a varnish, but... kinda destroyed

[sly timber]

I mean

Maybe it's varnish but it has like an ash sorta prolonged exposure thing going on

Would sorta explain the grey

[full zinc]

i'll put some dirt and dust on it

[sly timber]

[full zinc]

it's also on the rafters on the ceiling

it looks oddly light. it's nothing with the map itself. i think it's just the bright emissive right under it causing issues

it's reused for doorframes too

[sly timber]

Hm that's going to be a problem

Ato there's gonna be alot of things that'll need simple mesh replacement

Atp

[full zinc]

reused for this too

it seems to be attached to a lot of shit

[sly timber]

Yikes

😅 unfortunate

Its the same thing with escape2 and a concrete like stone texture they use in both their doorways and in their torches and cages

Texture limitations be damned

[full zinc]

i'm uploading the current textures for you

[sly timber]

Alright I'll check them out ik the morning

2 am... I may be cooked tmrw at work lol

[full zinc]

aaaaand it's used for the logs in the fireplace

[sly timber]

Its too muggy to sleep tho

[full zinc]

sleep sucks

[sly timber]

Sleep sucks but being tired is worse

[full zinc]

yeah can't argue there

original for comparison

gonna make them a bit smaller and also increase mortar height though

a bit more realistic

normal map strength is the only issue now

i think that's good

ended up fixing it up more but i already closed everything (15th crash tonight)

[sudden steppe]

Nice! Looking really really good
Well done

[carmine creek]

Glad to see Kim is finally finding their creative side again.

Maybe I'll get the bedroom walls done today 🤣

[pine bronze]

Am i crazy or i remember E-man not having NV_ on his nick before?

[sly timber]

Recently was hired

[pine bronze]

huh, not bad

[full estuary]

I have an idea what might cause a memory leak. I’ll do some changes and a build in git, I’ll let you know when its ready

[full estuary]

https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-SP/actions/runs/15248270730

[full zinc]

damn

so the memory leak to clarify only happens while alt tabbed. it will stop leaking memory when you go back to the game. it crashes when it maxes out available RAM

[full estuary]

Hmm, in that case my idea could be wrong

[full zinc]

well that's interesting

lol

[full estuary]

Oh no

Well forget it then

It was worth the shot. When I get back to my PC

[full zinc]

to clarify even more, it's the remix bridge that's leaking memory, not the game exe itself

it doesn't happen every time, either

[full zinc]

well shit

multiple problems

wall corners scale the texture differently than the main wall

all of the meshes in one scene are a unified mesh. this makes light placements incredibly difficult

(and mesh replacements)

[full zinc]

it's reused for benches too

[full estuary]

I was wondering if that was goig to bite us in the as*

[full zinc]

it's so bad

for every single light placement, i'll have to go and try to duplicate each light for each copy of the mesh by hand

with normal games you can just do it on one of them and it'll apply to all of them. but not here

and for poor Bailey, each mesh replacement will require manually replacing each mesh in that large file and trying to align it perfectly

unless she can figure out how to fix this in the map editor, that's what we'll be dealing with

new rust texture on these bars

[full estuary]

That looks really good

[full estuary]

Argh it’s that damn BSP structure, outputting a different set of poligons depending on where you are on the map

Hopufully I can figure out some way to make it better

[full zinc]

it'd be amazing if that could be bypassed

oh nooo ugh this is annoying

the fire textures aren't a flipbook. they're separate individual textures

well. looks like there are only 3 in total anyway

4

embergen will allow me to update these. but with only 4 idk how to actually make it look natural

maybe we could somehow stop the game from animating it at all, and replace the one fire texture that's left with a flipbook in Remix

i'll work on something else for now

[full zinc]

AND it's reused for bookshelves and tables

[full estuary]

I’ll have a look over these when I get back, either Bailey manages to assign a new texture there, or I manage to hack the .map with a hexeditor and replace the texture

The animated fire/torches I think we can stop animating maybe from engine or even from scripts. It could be that the animation is a property in the idtech-shaderfile

[full zinc]

note for future me:
the trees seem to be European Beech

[sly timber]

People wish us gl (good luck) from a friend streamer of mines server on the competition, one says "they dont need gl they've already dealt with that renderer too much"

[full zinc]

that's nice 🙂

but yeah uh... @full estuary is a miracle for this project lol

i remember we got stable-ish visuals with the OGL wrappers after a LOT of tweaking (and tadpole's help too) but this is so much better

[sly timber]

For sure

[full estuary]

Thanks.Things that my brain helps me do I will do 😄 The intention was to have fun and find something reasonably challenging to do. Happy to be here 😃

It was a good decision to start working on RTCW

[sly timber]

[sly timber]

Ive had it up to here with jack :eyye: im not stopping tho

as its kinda working ISh

ISH

forgor how much i hated this app when i did sourcemods lol

fucking

may have figured out the issue

dumbest shit ever

if it works

[sly timber]

fuck this bullshit

it seems to "only" be textures like clip and models missing

https://tenor.com/view/stress-gif-23862641

and the sky

@full zinc moving the topic back here

blah blah blah

thanks firefox for doing this for anything but actualy malicious softare

[full zinc]

yeah

hm why 1.5.0 though?

[sly timber]

trying both

[full zinc]

make sure you grab the gamepacks too

if this works, hopefully you can get a refund for the other thing

[sly timber]

fr

now i have to figure out texture imports

[full zinc]

that's with the RTCW gamepack?

[sly timber]

yeah

[full zinc]

https://icculus.org/gtkradiant/documentation.html#old

there's some documentation there at least

might be helpful

[sly timber]

it finds some but just like jack,,, misses everything else

[full zinc]

😦

at least this one isn't $15

[sly timber]

yeah

[full zinc]

https://icculus.org/gtkradiant/documentation/q3radiant_manual/ch07/pg7_1.htm#texman

maybe some magic in there. idk

[full zinc]

erm did you do this?

[sly timber]

like c:? i belive my wolfenstein install is in c

lemme check

[full zinc]

i do'nt know for sure what they meant

[sly timber]

even then theyre both in c

[full zinc]

are there any errors in the log?

i found a few different threads for this issue but they have different errors mentioned

[sly timber]

no errors in the logs

[full zinc]

😦

[sly timber]

hopefully crs blender mod releases soon

all im saying

[full zinc]

i'll try it on my end to see

[sly timber]

alr

[full zinc]

which map are you loading?

[sly timber]

village2

and escape1 too

[full zinc]

escape1 is loading perfectly for me, and all textures work

[sly timber]

bruh

[full zinc]

this is with 1.6.7

[sly timber]

i see

[full zinc]

idk why but i can't find the map file for village2

[sly timber]

youll have to decompile it

[full zinc]

ah...

[full zinc]

ty

i'm using the GOG copy. maybe that's fixing an issue?

[sly timber]

maybe,, im using the steam copy

[full zinc]

village2 works too

[sly timber]

lol

why is it not working for me

[full zinc]

my guess is Steam broke something with that copy

[sly timber]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-stress-stress-meme-gif-4951848654160939006

[full zinc]

well

try to get a refund for JACK and use $5 of that to get the GOG version

[sly timber]

i used steam credit on it so i wont get regular money back from it

[full zinc]

😢

[sly timber]

still refunding tho lol

downloading 1.6.7 lets see if it works

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-tom-the-cat-phew-relieved-sigh-gif-17213206

finally

jesus frickin christ

now its time to figure ts out

from the looks of it @full zinc each model automatically handles their own textures, meaning wed have to make out own models or something similar

like this, is a model

[full zinc]

man

why is this so cursed

[sly timber]

everything be damned i guess

[full zinc]

do you see any way out of this?

[sly timber]

well

Crs blender mod is a main way out but its not released yet

because with the mod

we dont have to worry about mesh compilation

we can use blender to seperate them among other things

other than that i dont know

[full estuary]

What do you intend to separate?

[sly timber]

meshes, with blender you can seperate by loose parts

[full zinc]

i don't understand why this can't be done currently in blender?

[sly timber]

the current usd doesnt capture anything but the mesh data, no textures and scales everything wrong, crs blender mod will be able to import and extort without needing the toolkit

which saves time on injestion as it only injests after export

radiant however was useful because i can replace the tower

if i can figure out how to compile iot

theoretically i could also edit the color and position of the dynamiclights

[full zinc]

well i wish ya luck

[sly timber]

@full estuary

sorry for the ping on vacation i js forgot

[sly timber]

not worth it

blender it is in the end

but i got the tower to look good !!!!!!

and this is (a really old, non injestable version) of crs blender thing

much more easy and itd run remix side

[full zinc]

yeah that looks awesome

[sly timber]

so eyah once they release a full injestable addon ill def do allat

[full zinc]

until then i don't think i can do anything

there are 2 textures that are nightmare material for me and i cannot figure out despite spending hours on. but i think that's all that's left for me to do

i'll have to make textures for your new meshes and stuff ofc though

[sly timber]

what youve done so far is wonderful so i appreciate that, and yeah i dont think there's anything either of us will be able to do until then. i dont want to reinstall the toolkit due to lack of room, ofc ill still be modeling but ill have to re import it all once i take a new capture for blender

[full zinc]

which segement/award should we be aiming for winning btw?

[sly timber]

well

obviously the 20, but if not def most playable without issue

[full zinc]

RTX skin is gonna be a pain

[sly timber]

so true

[full zinc]

Best Remastered Assets
and idkkkk if my textures qualify as that lmao

but we'll see i guess

i really hope we win at least one of them

need that $$ lol

we will need to find someone to make a somewhat professional demo video. that'll make a big difference

[sly timber]

yeah

i know skurtty is not avaliable rn so

hm

https://tenor.com/view/cat-scratch-glass-kitty-meme-gif-8650456833592067932

i could ask my friend zephyr

maybe

[sly timber]

also amen to this

[carmine creek]

Jack is still better than hammer. Speaking of, does hammer++ or Trenchbroom work with RTCW by chance?

[sly timber]

no clue tbh i know hammer++ might but not sure, have to test when i get home

[full estuary]

Seen this crazy light-show at a piano concert. Instantly thought of replicating it in rtcw, maybe on the castle/tower.. and spread out like a fan.. we’d need volumetrics tho

[normal wharf]

is it possible to fix it?

[sly timber]

Mark it as decal

[normal wharf]

ye it work ty

[sly timber]

Yw

[sly timber]

#1116089843479498782 message more memory leaks with nvidia i guess

[full estuary]

Hmm.. I'm getting that memory leak myself, just as Kim mentioned while alt-tabbing out of the game. Alt-tabbing back in fixes it, like the bridge is generating new data but not processing it. I might try going back thru the actions builds see where it starts nvm, action build artifacts expire. Well it does not happen with v0.6.0 :itssomething: Note to self: it still happened with commit 7524c89 <-maybe I'll come back to this someday

[full zinc]

#1262932017742483456 message

[full estuary]

Thank you 🥳

[full zinc]

idk when i'll have time to work on this again

things are cursed in my life right now

[sly timber]

Alright dw about it 😄 we got it from this point while you deal with allat

[sly timber]

@full zinc should you or I make the rtcw thread, you made the most textures so

[full zinc]

i'm fine to make it if you want

[sly timber]

Alright

[full zinc]

as we make more progress i'll update the pics in #1377775933993254982

btw i didn't see your lamp pics, otherwise i'd have included them right from the start

we have any more varied pics?

[sly timber]

Not really any that are noteworthy

[full zinc]

@sly timber #1378391798703063248 message

[sly timber]

ooooo idea

[carmine creek]

wait, the viewmodels are stable? That's amazing

[sly timber]

Yep

[carmine creek]

is there anyone working on the mp40 already 👉 👈

[sly timber]

Nope, nobody is working on the view models so far

[carmine creek]

Let me see what I can whip up in a few days

[sly timber]

Ok

[carmine creek]

ah the good old days of saving performance wherever possible

[sly timber]

If its not in vew why expend recourses, gotta love it

[carmine creek]

need to do some research into the MP40 and potential variants / alterations during manufacturing. I'm seeing two different charging handles already on google images

[sly timber]

I belive its the full metal model rather than plastic

[carmine creek]

yeah I'm already assembling a PureRef sheet, in-game model certainly looks like it doesn't use bakelite. Not sure if it's a machined or stamped receiver though

should be stamped steel it looks like

[sly timber]

I guess I dont quite know the difference but id assume stamped because the mp40s where bulk produced during that time and machining doesnt make as much sense

[carmine creek]

that's true, but early war weapons usually were using more complex or expensive manufacturing which they simplify to reduce cost at some point

[sly timber]

True

[carmine creek]

Grabbed a CC-BY MP40 from sketchfab just to see if it works as expected before spending much time on it and I'm happy to report that it does. Now to make my own model and texture proper.

[sly timber]

nice

[full estuary]

Since the Skinned meshes are giving me a headache, this is (almost) a thing

[sly timber]

Hell fuckin yeah

[sly timber]

This is gonna be life saving

[full estuary]

Yep, and it makes the lighting all the more immersive

Meanwhile Skinned meshes, absolutely zero chill 😂

[sly timber]

Oof

[full estuary]

Getting there 🐌

[sly timber]

Slow and steady wins

[full estuary]

Keeping this for later reference: gpu skinning in DarkMessiah #1098843924602306601 message

Also I've released the above changes with light overrides

[sly timber]

Alr

Ill download it when I get out of my cozy bed

Shits got me trapped

[full estuary]

:fluffy:

[sly timber]

[full estuary]

yep, that's a pretty good human trap, too

[sly timber]

before and after

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-meme-smile-on-my-face-thanos-glove-gif-7144962687387959921

[full estuary]

😃

I only fixed the obvious fireplace light, wouldn't have the patience to correct all the torches

[sly timber]

I do, but later past the competition

[full estuary]

[sly timber]

can remove that one alltogether

because its just there to light the room up

[full estuary]

Oh noo my lovely flickering shadows on the tower steps 💔 jk jk. To turn it off maybe you can set it to pure black. Or maybe just move it over to the torch there yonder..

[sly timber]

could always also push it below the floor

do as the devs do !

[full estuary]

:gasp:

I get this when coding and am in a funny mood

[sly timber]

Holy shit conjoined twins

[full estuary]

and this eldrich abomination

One more thing

Hit save after each light changed, only the active light is pushed to the configuration file. Also you can always go back, and scan again for old modded lights

Probably what I should have implemented, was to Scan for lights based on their modified position. It always scans based on original position 😅

[sly timber]

thank you for letting me know before i just left lol

also oh my god everything looks so much better whent the lights arent pasty

[full estuary]

Also, you may want to increase the radiance value globally, it then gets applied when searching for individual lights too

[sly timber]

Nice

[full estuary]

Radius too etc

[sly timber]

I find it funny that the "smallest" updated is the most hype for me

(I know it probably wasn't a small task(

[full estuary]

it was alot, but I am glad you find it useful

It was necessary, and I couldn't postpone it any longer either

the fireplaces out-of-place were really bugging me

[sly timber]

The pasty colors of all the lights in general where bugging me

It made everything looked washed

ALSO

A friend of mine said he's manually implemented skeleton animation before so im asking him abt it

Should I ask him anything specific

[full estuary]

Honestly I have no ideea what goes wrong.. It renders fine in DX9 SoftwareVertexProcessing (because SW supports a gajillion bones, HW supports only 8 EIGHT! )

Remix also supports 255 bones, but something is crooked somewhere: either how I populate the vertex buffer, or how the bones are configured for DX9 🤷

Did they actually implement it in code, in DirectX, or they converted models to be used in Blender Maya etc?

^That twin joining above, the dude patrolling had a twin joining with the dude on the radio when he was in that room, a clingy dude it seems 😂

[sly timber]

It looks like they did it via code?

"the last time i touched those someone was importing animations from a gameloft my little pony game and their horses got spaghettified'

[full estuary]

is the code on github? I might have a look

[sly timber]

Ill ask

@manic tinsel hi

[manic tinsel]

hi

[full estuary]

hey @manic tinsel , are you using fixed-function or vertes shaders to render the skinned meshes?

[manic tinsel]

vertex shaders

im not very familiar with dx specifics, but i know the math behind bone transforms/skinning pretty well and could take a look at that if its a part of what is causing trouble

[full estuary]

https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-SP/blob/b95d40e3f307a8554a162c9baf939ebba552323b/src/renderer/tr_animation.c#L1316

[manic tinsel]

from what I understood from baileys explanation, you have an already vertex skinned model that you're trying to convert to a format you could feed to dx9 bone animation / mesh rendering apis

[full estuary]

Yep

Wolf has 'bones' and weights and does the transforma in software and sends the transformed vertexes to be rendered

What I tried was to put in the untrasformed vertex coords, wight, and build a bone matrix and Draw them

I verified in SW that my bone matrix works, by tranforming the vertex coords with my matrix, then rendering that. Then I set the bone matrix to DX9 tranform index, and with Software VErtexProcessing (which allows more than 8 bones in DX fixed-function) it also draws ok

But when I put Remix in the loop, it seems some bones misbehave

My current assumption is that I set something incorrectly: either the bone index, or some vertex indices are bad in the DrawCall

[manic tinsel]

yeah, what seems weird is that only some of them break

[full estuary]

yep 😢

Ok I've been summoned to dinner, see u in abit

[sly timber]

Cya saint have a good dinner

[full estuary]

@manic tinsel Here's something maybe you can figure out, about the Wolf MDS model: https://mino-git.github.io/rtcw-wet-blender-model-tools/publications/MDSFileFormat.html

Look at MDSVertex and MDSWeight

MDSWeight contains an xyz value. It gets multiplied with the bone tranform, then with the weight, then the results are added together to form the final vertex value

What I did not expect is to have a separate xyz value for each weight/bone <- this has me stumped, and I'm using only one bone (the first in that list) in my current implementation

The resulting model is a bit edgy, it needs the other weights to be proper smooth

[manic tinsel]

it has the location of the vertex in local space of that bone

[full estuary]

How do I get the vertex value that DirectX expects?

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/direct3d9/indexed-vertex-blending

That V(model) in the image

[manic tinsel]

i think the issue is that the bone matrix that dx9 expects is world space and the one that is in bone matrix might be local space?

[full estuary]

Yep.. I've multiplied the bone matrix with the object model matrix to get the transform for directx

So I may need to translate that xyz value from bone space, upto parent bone?

[manic tinsel]

is the bone matrix mat4 with the position?

[full estuary]

it was 3x3 rotation + vec3 translation

I combined that to a 4x4

[manic tinsel]

i think you might be applying translation twice for vertices that have multiple matrices affecting them

that would explain why some of them stay normal, they're affected only by one matrix (with its influence being 1.0 and the rest 0)

[full estuary]

I'm only using one bone with weight forced to 1.0 for each vertex --becasue I did not understand what to do about the other xyz values in bone space

[manic tinsel]

hm

[full estuary]

lemme grab a video

[manic tinsel]

this is it, right?

can i see the code where you make them world space?

[full estuary]

I'll push to a different branch and show you

https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-SP/blob/0b689e5c97cfe192eec03a0b92bf67ecbdeabbcf/src/renderer/tr_animation.c#L1396

w->offset is the xyz above which you said are the vertex values in bonespace, forcing weight to 1.0 and building a bone matrix (in case it was not created already)

For the bone matrix I multiply with whole object model matrix at the end (qdx.world)

Can't get a video rn, but this guy gets fixed by just stepping back

[manic tinsel]

is there some sort of LOD on animations?

[full estuary]

yes, but I think I forced no lods

hmm

I'll have to debug..

[manic tinsel]

doesnt seem like lods are an issue for animations

[manic tinsel]

but its weird that distance to the model affects it