Return to Castle Wolfenstein (RTCW)

[paper egret]

man thats looking good though

precomputed visible sets. wonder if you can mod the asset, whatever it is, to be always visible

[sly timber]

I think its still weapons in general, as well as particles

and or sound fsr

[paper egret]

s_mute to kill sound

[sly timber]

all that is left after that is particles and the leg entitie

entity

I will also be working on d3d9 still as the more options towards stability the better

wrong file anyways, that was the wrapper lol

@paper egret try /r_cull model 0

[paper egret]

Sorry just nipping out for dinner with the fam

Damn good find though

[sly timber]

oh aye yeah have a good time

[grand shoal]

@sly timber

help

[sly timber]

What card broski

[grand shoal]

the raytracing four thousand and ninety

[sly timber]

Update your opengl and vk drivers maybe

[grand shoal]

I have the latest envideo drivers

They have everything

[sly timber]

Is this your game or rtcw

[grand shoal]

heavy metal

same engine tho

[sly timber]

1.4 opengl?

[grand shoal]

yes

[sly timber]

Try resetting the games config/wrapper conf

[grand shoal]

ok

[sly timber]

Won't belive how many times I've gotten this error that usually fixes it

[grand shoal]

This thing

[sly timber]

Does it say gldirect.conf

[grand shoal]

It's the bridge conf

amazing

[full zinc]

that's actually deprecated

[grand shoal]

Well

It's doing something for me

[full zinc]

the one in dxvk.conf is the correct one

[grand shoal]

oh yeah'

I said the wrong thing

[full zinc]

ah okay

[grand shoal]

I'm changing the dxvk conf

@sly timber what cvars are you using

remix can't even find a camera with gldirect

[sly timber]

Who says we have a functioning camera either it thinks the world is the camera

[grand shoal]

no

It isn't raytracing

[grand shoal]

refer to this

[sly timber]

Imma be real to answer this I have no idea, it's on a whim and a prayer, try the dxvk and commands from our pinned message

[sly timber]

it seems the geometry flashes in base game as much as it does in the remix

[ripe hazel]

I've never seen it do that.

[sly timber]

same, looking into it its most likely a config of sorts

but a friend sent that idk if he uses a conf or not

[ripe hazel]

If that's vanilla then something is wrong, cuz i played the game multiple times and never seen it flash like that.

[sly timber]

Imma be out for like a month or so because I gotta work on stuff for my mom's funeral n stuff so there won't be any progress on this for a while

[paper egret]

I'm sorry to hear that man, take your time, we'll be here when your ready

[little spruce]

My condolences

[somber quartz]

my condolences im sorry to hear that

[sly timber]

@prisma crown pins is a start

But there are commands to make it function

Basically these

It's very much a mess until we can remove caching and portals which I don't have the time to dig deep into

[prisma crown]

Thanks

I'll report back when I get it working

[sly timber]

I forgot qhat video that was

[prisma crown]

holy fuck that's unstable

[full zinc]

ya

it was worse before too lmao

[sly timber]

Stable with some commands

[prisma crown]

and now im gonna have a epileptic seizure

[sly timber]

Minus everyone's favorite ploy

Portals

[prisma crown]

yeah

[sly timber]

Have you got it to work for you?

[prisma crown]

going to test it in a bit

[sly timber]

Aight

Beat of luck to you

[prisma crown]

@sly timber hi sorry for the ping if you're asleep lol, want to ask what remix runtime version are you using currently?

[sly timber]

5.4, the latest

[prisma crown]

i couldn't find any OGL wrappers in the pins, do you use QindieGL or TitaniumGL?

[sly timber]

I use gldirect, Titanium gl has zero performance and qindie is very hit or miss somehow

Sadly Titanium is the best at stability 😔 minus moving meshes

[prisma crown]

from here? https://github.com/MrRendroc/gldirect

oh wait maybe it's for linux

[full zinc]

https://sourceforge.net/projects/gldirect/

rememmmber #1055002970091176006

[sly timber]

Hi kim

[full zinc]

hoi

[full zinc]

i just jump into random convos to help, and also to lecture about #remix-beginners-guide and other resources

anyone is subject to this

including myself

[sly timber]

Quit stalking my page! ! ! ! ! ! ! Jk

[prisma crown]

i assume i didn't need this

[full zinc]

i'm just messing around lol

because i get pinged to pin stuff in so many threads though, i end up seeing most conversations whenever i'm online

[sly timber]

Ah lol

[full zinc]

right now this is the active list

[prisma crown]

im seeing MM2 👀

[full zinc]

mhm 😛

been keeping close track of that one

anything involving dxwrapper is exciting for me lol

[sly timber]

I'm a bit curious tho happysu, what made you peak interest at rtcw?

[prisma crown]

i love Wolfenstein series

but i never tried the older games

[full zinc]

the short bit i actually played of RTCW was great

plan to play through it eventually lol. maybe after Bailey fully remixes it 😛

[sly timber]

Can't wait for 2034 when I finish for sure

[prisma crown]

im gonna wait for the native dx9 api support

[full zinc]

want me to unpin my older confs and stuff?

[sly timber]

Sure why not

[full zinc]

😢

they're gone

[sly timber]

That will be a bit as I'm still in the process of learning a bunch from it

[prisma crown]

also if we have these commands then why are portals still appearing as shown in the video above

[full zinc]

well, even in COD 2 those commands weren't enough. it took more manual tweaking and patching iirc

[sly timber]

For some reason particledist and noportals just don't work

[prisma crown]

download is busted for me

nvm

had to use a VPN

[sly timber]

[prisma crown]

well...

[sly timber]

Try https://github.com/crystice-softworks/QindieGL then instead

[full zinc]

do you have cloudflare as your DNS?

they break some sites

[prisma crown]

they break even the normal ones

[full zinc]

i use quad9 myself

[prisma crown]

is it me or the game is extremely dark

without remix

[sly timber]

If you go to system you can change the items for gl extras to off (needed for remix anyways) as well as change the lights from light map to dynamic

[prisma crown]

ATI Trueform 👀

[sly timber]

Wait

How have I not seen allat

[full zinc]

these were the settings i configured early on

[prisma crown]

it's still too dark on it's own so imma move to remix now

[sly timber]

Yeah but even back when I played the game normally I've never seen it

[full zinc]

dunno why 😦

[sly timber]

Be sure to add +set sv_cheats 1 in the steam launch options

[sly timber]

I'm just blind lol

Alright well it's 2 am, I need to sleep, do again feel free to ping me I'd you have any trouble happysu I will answer them all tmrw

[dim hound]

hi guys, im really new to this, could someone provide to me a updated autoexec, wolfconfig, opengl32 and rtx conf files that actually works? ive tried gldirect and its showing me just colorful world and not actually rendering the game textures..

[sly timber]

Hello! Could you share some screen shots of what you mean?

[dim hound]

looks like a wolferland

[sly timber]

Oh!

[sly timber]

So what you want to do is hit alt+x at the same time, scroll down till you see debug view and turn off debug view

The debug is a tool we use to check stuff like if the game is stable or not

[dim hound]

well as a game developer im well aware of this colorfull art ❤️

ty mate

[sly timber]

Ooh nice!

Ofc

Fair warning tho the game isn't the prettiest in rtx remix - because it has no direct x 9 pipeline

[dim hound]

well but still a childhood game xD

[sly timber]

Fr, between 2009 and this, both were mine as well lol

[dim hound]

hahahaha i've overplayed the campaign year after year and its still so good

Weird, with the QindieGL everything is just gray.

but B.J is being rendered at the main menu properly

[sly timber]

Weird, maybe try using gldirect

[dim hound]

well with gldirect i can see the skybox through the wall

i mean its a progress though xD

[full zinc]

you need to use the pinned config file

[sly timber]

You'll have to manually add them

[dim hound]

wolfconfig?

[sly timber]

The config doesn't work on the first level sometimes, especially when you change the wrapper

[full zinc]

rtx.conf

[full zinc]

hashes are changing? i mean without swapping the wrapper, it makes sense that it'd change in that instance

when i last messed with this, that white blob stayed gone

[sly timber]

Yeah

[full zinc]

huh

[sly timber]

Every time I fresh install, the whole config basically doesn't work

[full zinc]

maybe you share my curse with software not working right

[sly timber]

Yeah

The worst part is I payed a dev a while ago to make a dx9 pipeline and they haven't responded to any further inquiry

:/

[full zinc]

damn

no way to get a refund?

[sly timber]

Not without them refunding me

Ill probably ask again today

[full zinc]

if they didn't respond within like 3 days i'd have tried to get a refund

if it's through a more formal service

[sly timber]

Yeah

Eventually someone will be able to do the task

[full estuary]

@sly timber FYI this exists now (https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-SP) which, so far, is a direct translation of ogl to dx9; camera is still fused to world matrix, so in that sense it's not an improvement from using qindiegl

[sly timber]

Thats... my repo

Lol

Or I guess a fork of my repo

But hell yeah!!

[sly timber]

@full zinc

[sly timber]

brug

idk if its a false positive or not

@full estuary

oop

[full estuary]

It’s created by github actions, I did not want to upload binaries created on my machine for this exact reason 😢

[sly timber]

wdym

[full estuary]

Github built those binaries

[sly timber]

ahh

so do you know if its safe or nah

[full estuary]

Its safe, that’s my repo

Trust me bro 😉

[sly timber]

oh hell yeah

[full estuary]

I included a library to unwind the stack, in case of crashes

That’s whats most probably triggering the virus warning

Feel free to compile it yourself if worried

But like I said camera is not ready so do not expect an improvement

[sly timber]

im not all that worried if its your repo, because people who make viruses dont usually publically state that

[full estuary]

At least I did not see an improvement

[sly timber]

now i just gotta figure out how to let it download the binarys

[full estuary]

I got stuck at the matrix transforms, I need to do more studying, the hard stuff 😄

[sly timber]

so do i really just copy over the exe and paste the file into the game location?

[full estuary]

Yes

[sly timber]

alright

and my last question i promise, do i still need a wrapper

[full estuary]

You might need the visual studio 2019 redistributables. No wrapper, it loads directx9.dll

[sly timber]

the first noticable improvement

this is hella cool

do any of the maps work, or are they all grey?

if so i probably have some wrong settings

[full estuary]

Without remix, should be working 100%

With remix I get protuding skybox geometry, and sunlight (?) direction changes when I rotate the camera

Similar to what you guys have been posting in your videos

[sly timber]

yeah lol the fallback light stays solid while the world moves around the camera basically

[full estuary]

Ye

[sly timber]

this is all i see with remix

so i assume its probably because of my opengl wolfconfig

[full estuary]

So I need to implement the camera next, but it’s a headscratcher

Hmm

Let me share my wolfconfig

One sec

Or maybe rename your wolfconfig and let the game create a new one?

[sly timber]

true hold on

i could also just delete it cuz i wont really be using opengl anymore (there isnt a point its to bloby)

still nothing minus the ui

do you have anything different in your folder besides the binarys, like anything removed?

maybe the opengl folder?

[full estuary]

nah, let me doublecheck

[sly timber]

without remix it looks great tho

lil foggy tho

[full estuary]

this is with remix

[sly timber]

ah yeah, probably nothing the texture editor cant fix

[full estuary]

seems like the fog.. hmm did not see that

what gpu do you have, I've tested on 3060ti and a laptop 940m

[sly timber]

4070

[full estuary]

seta r_wolffog 0 disables the fog

[sly timber]

alr

[full estuary]

but like I said I'm work in progress, and you mentioned trying to pay someone; I'd be upset if somebody would try to pass my work as theirs and try to ask money for it

[sly timber]

i wouldnt do that :eyye: and ill make sure nobody else claims it as their own

and im sorry for assuming that was my repo at the start lol i just have something unused thats similar

[full estuary]

nah, I meant, somebody might scam you. But now you know

[sly timber]

oooh yea

ive already been scammed sadly iont think theres fixing any of that

[full estuary]

yea that was shitty, well you meet all sorts of people

[sly timber]

im still confused on why the remix side wont work for melike it does for you

[full estuary]

so I did not use the configs posted on this channel

maybe I have a bare config, don't know..

[dim hound]

When deleting the cfgs (autoexec and wolf) its still gray, but with a slight change, the light orbs showing up on the screen

[sly timber]

^

[full estuary]

so the light orbs show for mee to, tht's the cinematic

[dim hound]

not only in cinematics

in gameplay aswell

[sly timber]

yeah

thoes are the gl light particles

[dim hound]

so i assume something wrong going on with the wrapper + remix

[sly timber]

do we need a dxvk.conf here?

[sly timber]

this isnt a wrapper

its a compatibility mod

[full estuary]

this is my conf

Version: remix-0.5.1+c099b404

[sly timber]

0.5.1, maybe its because im using 6.0

[full estuary]

ok, I need to log-off, dinner time over here

[dim hound]

with the rtcw-sp-d3d9 wrapper im getting a lot of hud error for some reason

[sly timber]

this is using dxvk.conf altho it breaks everything

[full estuary]

So most probably it's the remix version

[dim hound]

with the rtx you've send i actually can see the game

[sly timber]

wait wait hold on,,,

[dim hound]

what you've changed?

[sly timber]

ive edited the texture editors

and use a dxvk

dxvk helps alot

[full estuary]

So listen, I'm logging off; from my POV, I really want to tackle the camera first, and then it may be worth to put some more effort into this

[sly timber]

aye aye, good luck and again thank you

[dim hound]

nice! btw which wrapper you using?

[sly timber]

none

pfft still not stable, only one thing was, the corpse, this is all on someones custom dx9 renderer and they are working on it all

im just messing around with it rn

not from what i can see

it was also

very

very pasty

[sly timber]

i know its bright n all

[sly timber]

but the point is it works!

[sly timber]

fr

[full estuary]

that's great, that's the type of thing I wanted to see in this game. now I'm hyped 😻

[sly timber]

I'm just as hyped as you are (altho i was obviously sitting still in thoes videos lol)

[full estuary]

For sure; it’s however a glimpse of our destination, and, importantly, not a figment of our imagination. We’re getting there

[sly timber]

Frr!!! Speak yo shit 🗣️

[full estuary]

Hell yea! But for now … house chores 😂

[sly timber]

Lol

[mighty lotus]

This shits amazing

[sly timber]

the one thing thats really holding it back besides the camera is the texture deloading lol

[keen dagger]

Is that not fog in some way?

[sly timber]

idk if its fog because alot of textures in the distance load in while close ones disappear

also the trees

[keen dagger]

It just seems more like it's got a film going over it rather than the texture itself completely unloading and based on how jagged those edges are it also doesn't look like the geo is completely disappearing either

My natural thought would be a render "fog" of some kind so some fog related commands may do it

But IIRC that level specifically has some fog since it's a huge area

In the tram level there is 100% fog, but I believe a trigger removes it once you get to the generator room at the bottom of it, does that texture issue happen there too?

[sly timber]

idk, tram is to dark rn to even go through it

[keen dagger]

Ahh damn

[sly timber]

i mean this is an early early version of the dx9 renderer by them so im not here complaining or anything lol

[keen dagger]

https://board.twcclan.org/thread-1121.html

Are these commands enemy territory exclusive?

there is r_wolffog 0

and you also have r_znear

[sly timber]

wolffog doesnt do it lemme try znear

what would i do, 0?

[keen dagger]

I'd imagine you'd just crank it up to 9999 or something since it's gonna cull anything greater than it

[sly timber]

uhhh lol

[keen dagger]

okay maybe try 0 lol

I mean the good news is it does something I'm happy those commands even work

[sly timber]

zero does cull everything into the abyss

[keen dagger]

Yeah that's what I expected

Interesting

Is it possible to dump all the commands?

I'd assume if there is a znear there may be a zfar

that's the one that should probably be pushed further back

[sly timber]

there is a zfar, anything less than 1k and it does what znear does

[keen dagger]

Yeah ZFar needs to be a higher number and ZNear is basically right up to your face which it seems it defaults to 4

[sly timber]

setting it to 9999 does nothing tho

sadge

[keen dagger]

Even on this area?

[sly timber]

one sec

[sly timber]

nothing changed

[keen dagger]

Damn okay

Are there a list of concommands anywhere

like a more extensive one

[sly timber]

uhhh lemme look

/cmdlist my beloved

[keen dagger]

oh good

does that include the r_ type settings

[sly timber]

no 💔

[keen dagger]

/cvarlist

got it

COuld it bethe picmaps?

If oyu think it's texture related there are quite a few

[sly timber]

iont know if its texture related or not

[keen dagger]

Alright are the pinned messages still the best way to get this going

Or do I have to do something new now

I'm convinced this is just a convar being silly somewhere

[sly timber]

for geometry yes but there is now a dx9 version which isnt pinned

[sly timber]

^ it does not have a working camera yet

and this is the dx9 rtx conf

[keen dagger]

https://youtu.be/BxacATCHrpo?t=2

[sly timber]

take the release and drag and drop

add the rtx remix files and a dxvk

d3d9.shaderModel = 0

paste this into the dxvk.conf and save

then launch the replaced exe

but the sun will move around

the dx9 exe works better functionally for the games (and is where im having the fog issue)

[keen dagger]

Can confirm it is 100% mipmap related

regular

nearest

I'm not familiar with all the options at this stage

[sly timber]

Awesome

What's the command for it

[keen dagger]

r_textureMode

and you need to use the GL_ prefixes

[sly timber]

Ah I see

[keen dagger]

If the guy who made that DX9 module is your guy, maybe you can get him to prevent the mipmap call in OpenGL

I believe that will solve this for you

When I google it, people say this happens when you have bad mipmaps or something

you don't really need that anyway since I think remix does mipmapping for you

[sly timber]

Alr eventually I'll ask them bur as I understand rn their focus is getting a proper camera in place

[keen dagger]

https://antman.info/wolf/cvar/cmdcvarlist.html

for your info

Gives some more insight onto the concommands, including the prefix definitions

again it's for ET

but the principle should carry through

[sly timber]

a good setting to learn from this is r_mode -1

[sly timber]

also where do you change the mipmap?

[keen dagger]

This command

[sly timber]

i see

odd

sadly there is no explination for what types there are

@full estuary one cool thing that carried over from opengl is that the "fixes" we have still semi work for stability, ofc pvs and caching as well as some form of culling is getting in the way still so idk if thisll help in future reference

[keen dagger]

Like I said you need to use the GL underscore parameters

The commands here are standardized

So you'll want to be looking at the OpenGL documentation

[sly timber]

i got it figured out

[keen dagger]

There is strictly a function that is used to turn off the mipmap stuff on OpenGL

So whoever's doing your mod can put that in

I think it's like one line or two lines of code it just depends where he executes it

I think there's also an open GL extension capability because I saw a console command that permits it so that may also be a possibility

Though again I have no idea how any of this works

[sly timber]

its in the games settings too

[keen dagger]

Yeah that's exactly it! I wonder if you could just use an OpenGL extension to patch it

It would make the whole thing trivial

[sly timber]

if only i knew how buut im not knowledgeable on gl extensions

[keen dagger]

If nothing else a good opportunity to learn

They're pretty easy to set up

[sly timber]

any good place to start learning on how to set something like that up?

[keen dagger]

Honestly not a clue, this is out of my field

I saw NVIDIA had a tutorial actually on OpenGL extensions

But that PDF doesn't work

[full estuary]

seems to be the mipmaps

i've added a cvar r_nomipmaps, it can be set to "1" to disable mipmap creation

see the build here https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-SP/actions/runs/12668506310

I did not create a release yet

With this build, I do not see the tree coronas fading out with distance

[sly timber]

Alright ill check it out in a second, thank you

it worked!

[keen dagger]

had a feeling

very nice!

[sly timber]

also there is one completely stable hash in the entire map and its the lake sooooo, "water"

[sly timber]

:3

[sly timber]

yeah

[full estuary]

@sly timber what do you do to get rid of the poligons making up the skybox? Edit: I find them annoying and was wondering if I can search for those drawcalls and disable them with a cvar if at all possible

also there may be a low hanging fruit to get rid of those hard edges on geometry and guns/hand models: to pass the normals to directx; they are already calculated by the engine..

[sly timber]

you can mark the the polygons as a sky texture, however you can just change the in game settings to have a low quality sky to fix that

here my config fixes the sky poligons

[full estuary]

great, ty

[sly timber]

also wdym by this

[full estuary]

these are what I mean by hard edges

when rendering in DX9 or OGL those edges are smoother

[sly timber]

oh yeah with normals, so are you saying there is a way or are you asking me if there is a way

[full estuary]

i think there is a way

[sly timber]

i see

[full estuary]

r_shownormals 1 looks like this

so they are calculated by the engine

[mighty lotus]

In the original shot, the gun looks 2d, did you guys have to make a 3d model or was the 2d just the way the shading worked

[sly timber]

makes sense, calculate it in the engine to save on recources back in the day

[sly timber]

its always 3d

[mighty lotus]

Okay

[sly timber]

thats just opepngl stank

[mighty lotus]

Makes sense

[sly timber]

[full estuary]

k then, I'll write when I get new builds. I did not work on camera so far at all, i'm taking it slower rn

[sly timber]

fair fair, theres no rush on allat so take your time 😄

[full estuary]

ah, and good job with the screenshots and videos! it's impressive considering the limitations we have so far with game+remix

[sly timber]

Thanks lol, it was all thanks to cheating the rtx.conf and finding 1 stable hash throughout each map, first one being the table corpse and the second one being the lake lol

[mighty lotus]

I’m not asking for like a whole tutorial of how you made the render, but what would you do in order to achieve this

[sly timber]

Making a dx9 renderer or my cheats?

[mighty lotus]

Dx9 render

[sly timber]

From what I understand from my basic knowledge it's getting game data to communicate with the dx9 library and display it on screen, but I'm sure saint can explain it better

[mighty lotus]

Alrighty, no rush to get anything to me, just when you guys can, lmk

[sly timber]

✨ mood lighitng ✨

unfortunately after one or two launches the remix mod stops working...

as in the edited lights not the dx9 stuff

[sly timber]

@full estuary sorry to ping you again but is there any cvars or minor fix that can disable the rendering of pvs and culling? it might help with stability as every time it resets here its due to the PVS system but I dont know enough to say for certain that anything is render side disable portals doesnt work and lockpvs doesnt allow a full game world to render after you walk to fark

[full estuary]

except r_nocull 1 and r_novis 1, I did not see other cvars so far (I am not that familiar with id3 engine either, I just dabble). Nonetheless, I have a feeling there is some f*ckery afoot with with how triangles are drawn and how remix recognizes geometry, no idea why; I am praying implementing the camera fixes it, but.. there is a significant chance it isn't; but then 'that' will be the top prio item on the list and I'll try to fix that 😄

r_lockpvs should not be used, here is the comment for it: // lockpvs lets designers walk around to determine the extent of the current pvs; so basically devs can check is pvs was generated OK for that specific location in the map (I think)

r_noportals just disables sky, just like r_fastSky, maybe in quake 3 the portals are used for teleporters, so that disabling them does not render the portal's destination geometry

[sly timber]

I see, here i was thinking r_noportals meant the possible visibility portals 😅 thank you for explaining, and I'll stop bugging ya and let you do your thing lol

[full estuary]

yes, they could be different depending on the game I guess; I'm usually searching through the source to make sure 😄

@sly timber do you write code?

[sly timber]

Ehhhh sorta barley, i used to be a game dev for a couple of small games and a few roblox "codes" if you can call it that

Wanted to stufy dx9 but it just became a little bit to much for me

I can tell ya the ins and outs of how a game engine works its mappings but not how a game functions calculations wise

[full estuary]

Got it. Yes it gets overwhelming, you need to be able to get little wins along the way to be able to push through. I'm a corporate dev myself, and going into game engines and 3D is purely a hobby

[sly timber]

I see! That's very cool

What made you choose rtcw specifically? Similar reasoning to mine?

[full estuary]

I think so, once in a while I went back and played it; I think I like the dark atmosphere (ghouls and witches) and the ambient/battle music is great.

There were some other games I considered but I don't have the source and I dont really play them; like Heretic2, DeepSpaceNine: The Fallen, Wheel of Time, Thief of course

but yea RTCW and HL1 I would replay a couple of years

[full estuary]

what helped is to start with some tutorials and get an intuition about how, in my case, directx9 and opengl work (and also have a small sandbox project to test different experiments, making sure they work before putting the code in the game and having it not working for days.. oof)
-the first difficult part was to understand how the game initialises, where it stores all the options you see in the video settings, how the window is created, how OGL is initialed, how it checks for GPU supported features. How and Where, what's the flow?
-the next part was just replacing OGL calls with DirectX equivalents
-the other not-straightforward part was the DrawCalls, since they are done differently in OGL vs DX9: OGL is like store this data, store this option, disable this one, later on in the code store this other thing, and some time later DRAW NOW with every option I ever specified, while DX9 is building all these structures with all the info and then sends them to gpu with fewer calls; so I had to bridge these two approaches
-and this was done for an engine where you have the sourcecode. And I used the debugger alot, just to understand how the game works
-if you do not have the source, go do some CTF challenges; you'll be able to figure things on your own from that point 😄

[sly timber]

Ogl draw calls vs dx9 draw calls sure are hectic, its pretty cool that you were able to get and replace each ogl call with its counterpart tho, something I struggled with

I got as far asssss drawing a blank window

[full estuary]

It took me a couple of years to even start with OGL 😂 I think begining of last year I got significant progress

then it snowballed

[sly timber]

I think personally I'm better off sticking to my simple game dev stuff lol

[full estuary]

To each their own 😄 I heard one something along the lines that motivation/willpower is a small part of the story, it's the support systems you have in place i.e. are you comfortable working with the debugger, it it one click away? Do you have a sandbox project to quickly prototype/validate this idea; something strange is going on, do you have a habit of creating figurative traps/chocking points for the dataflow to extract more info faster. Every wasted hour just brings your motivation down and you might give up eventually

[sly timber]

Ye ofc 🙂 whatever works out in the end is what I belive in n such

[full estuary]

That too 💯

[sly timber]

even

[mighty lotus]

Alright, Thankyou

[full estuary]

@mighty lotus do you have a specific game in mind that you want to work on?

[mighty lotus]

No

Just was looking to learn a bit about this

[sly timber]

You should learn and then try to help here, would be an "easy" experience/j

[mighty lotus]

I don’t own rtcw on PC, I would be open to if I did

[sly timber]

I mean i could gift it to you eventually but the source code is free for anybody

[mighty lotus]

Alright

Don’t feel overly obligated too

[sly timber]

may have slightlyyy broke it

onlly slightly

[sly timber]

recreating the moonlight but for whatever reason the mod doesnt work

[dim hound]

wdym by recreating the moonlight?

[sly timber]

in the first level

[dim hound]

you want to recreate the skybox with the moonlight?

[sly timber]

no

hold on

[dim hound]

ah. you mean the light itself emitted

[sly timber]

what

[dim hound]

are you trying to mimic the moonlight on the first level?

[sly timber]

correct

[dim hound]

and with the mod it doesnt work?

i never checked it, but does the mod has light bounce debugger?

might be an overlapped light or the light settings of the placed "light actor" is too low?

[sly timber]

what times two

none of the replaced assets are working rn

[dim hound]

gotcha. i might will look later into it aswell thats why im asking

[sly timber]

i see

[keen dagger]

Is it possible the geo you've anchored it to is changing hash?

[sly timber]

No, after getting help from mark and Pete its because of the fact that there isn't a camera in place so the coords change every startup, relative to "camera" position

Or whatnot

[sly timber]

so basically from what i can guess the player would have to be in exactly the same positions as the capture in the start for it to work, which is why i was able to get it to work here

[sly timber]

bypassing the camera issue with the sky by attaching a distance light to the stable lake mesh

[full estuary]

a slight visual improvement by sending normals to dx9-remix

one sec

build is here https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-SP/actions/runs/12705819012

[full estuary]

welcome to Castle SunnyStein, where we leave the gloom & doom at the door, and body horror puts a polite smile on everybody's face! I love it!

[sly timber]

Its just messin around this ain't the final product, however there is a sun in the sky so therefor,,,

A sun emmits light

[full estuary]

Having a bright earth sun was what made me complete quake2-rtx. I tried in the past with the original version but it was not fun 😜

[sly timber]

Fair lol

Once it's in a good state is when real effort will put into it, right now it's just "how can I do this"

[sly timber]

How hard was this to do btw?

[full estuary]

I already had stuff in place, and had noticed the normals being passed to opengl IF ATI `Trueform would have been supported

so 30min this morning

[sly timber]

I see, that's cool lol

[sly timber]

trying to make it more doom and gloom, might have to finish it after work but im still trying

[sly timber]

moonlight

[grand shoal]

https://youtu.be/5BA2LRA1FDY

I wonder if these patches can be ported to other games running on the engine.

[sly timber]

i think its game specific binary patches

[full estuary]

I’m not saying no yet. Still figuring out the camera.. we’ll see. Also qindiegl does most of the stuff I did here, and we have those sources..

[grand shoal]

The game I'm trying to work with is almost perfect with qindiegl except for the fact that instead of the camera moving in the world, the whole world translates while the camera stays at 0,0,0

Huge bummer because that makes the lighting unstable.

#1229858482530943037 message

[full estuary]

oh, we still have the same issue here, and we're trying to solve it.. in the forest video above all credit goes to Bailey's wizarding skills to stabilize the lighting

[grand shoal]

Ah

[sly timber]

Held together with bubblegum, tape, and the hope that the specific hash doesn't culling away (it does after a while)

[sly timber]

more vf

[fickle heart]

Would these improvements apply to other open source idtech3 games such as Jedi knight series?

[full estuary]

I really like this moonlight/midnight idea for the escape maps, then reaching the village early morning; this also fits with the cable tram map being all foggy 😃

[full estuary]

I hope so. I am still working on passing the camera to remix, and when that is done it could be ported to other idtech3 engines

[fickle heart]

So based 💪

[full estuary]

@fickle heart do we have an open source engine for jedi academy?

[fickle heart]

Yup and Jedi outcast too

all in one

https://github.com/JACoders/OpenJK

[sly timber]

once volumetric fog works proper tram is gonna be glorious

[grand shoal]

You'll have to fix the transforms then.

So that the camera is moving and the world stays in place

[sly timber]

That's what saint is working on

[sly timber]

Unless your saying somehow that's different then what they are

[grand shoal]

Yeah, that's the issue.

You're only seeing one part of the fog since the camera stays still and the geometry moves through it

And that breaks it

[sly timber]

Yeah I know, but that's why saint is fixing the camera (among many other things)

[grand shoal]

correct

Now let me see if I can make him patch Fakk2 as well.

[sly timber]

Is it idtech3?

[grand shoal]

yes

[sly timber]

#1229858482530943037 message i ain't gonna call anything I'm just quoting them but

[grand shoal]

I hope so

[sly timber]

[grand shoal]

It would be epic

[sly timber]

I see no other games on idtech 3 that interest me

Besides rtcw

[grand shoal]

All I'm interested in is FAKK2

Pretty sure it was the first game I ever played

[sly timber]

Same for me and wolfenstein

If you don't count early learning games like that uh leapfrog thing

[grand shoal]

Never played any of those. I used to watch my dad play that game. Eventually I tried playing it myself.

Very fun.

And very much not for kids lmao

But I still liked it

[sly timber]

Wolfenstein def ain't for kids but I still played it 😄

[grand shoal]

We all did

[sly timber]

Especially the summoning scene that 100% wasn't for kids

[grand shoal]

yeah

[sly timber]

no new media today of wizarding shit, was busy with laser tag

for 5 hours

my legs are toast

[pine bronze]

For me its COD1

[sly timber]

that one thing i did with the forest map but witht he intro map

[sly timber]

I am the mumbojumbo of rtx remix, and by that I mean what I'm doing isn't as advanced or hard to replicate as it's made out to be

Its just finding the one stable mesh on every map and attaching a distance light to it

Every map has what I'm gonna call anchor meshes

The first level has 4

The second 1

Third 1

4th 1

Etc

[dim hound]

me still seeing dark sceneries in rtcw 👁️ 👄 👁️

how do you assume what is anchor meshes and whats not?

[sly timber]

Yeah probably because I haven't released a mod yet

[sly timber]

I check hash stability

[dim hound]

ah kk

[sly timber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255993220190568509/1319806318667763723/attachment.gif

[pine bronze]

Howdt Bailey, i did improved version of logo

[sly timber]

thanks! altho the mod is RTCW reborn lol

[pine bronze]

i wonder why you called it like that

[sly timber]

i just did is all

better than another one called "remixed"

[pine bronze]

its funny how old version of logo (this) was done in my birthday, and new (that will be outdated now thanks to new your naming) version (above) was done in your birthday

[sly timber]

yeah

[pine bronze]

Well, here is aligned with your new "not another Remixed" naming

tbh, name kinda fits considering that in story the final boss is the who was...you know....REBORN

[sly timber]

yeah

[pine bronze]

Well, anyway, logo is done

Happy birthday gal!

[sly timber]

thanks!

[full estuary]

Happy birthday Bailey!

[sly timber]

thanks!

[pine bronze]

better?

[pine bronze]

Hooray i guess?

finally

But for clarify, that bump came from logo, from Wolfenstein symbol that i used

[full estuary]

I've ducked around with that camera implementation and I have a somewhat BETA build: sky and skybox does not render, and geometry hashes are still sh1t, but I guess you guys might like to have a bit of fun with it anyway:

https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-SP/actions/runs/12771671995

r_nocull 1 and r_dynamiclight 1 -> to have those torches show up as rtx point lights

[sly timber]

[sly timber]

is there any way to change the torch color or will we have to edit that in the nvidia omni app

[full estuary]

The torch color is from the .map file (.bsp) maybe we can mod that. Or I could implement a config file and replace the color maybe

I wonder how difficult it would be to mod the map, because if we add a Sun ☀️ which is missing from all maps I believe, we might have that stable mesh we are looking for

[full estuary]

@sly timber are the omni exports useable, with the unstable geometry hashes and such?

I should prb do one myself and try…😅😂

[sly timber]

well yes, because every map fsr has at least one completely stable hash

so it works for lights at least

[sly timber]

now were cookin with dynamics

altho i did notice that the dynamic lighting for the flame in the flamen doesnt work

[sly timber]

Also yes you can change the light color in omniversd and it'll work

[sly timber]

anyways uhm, working spotlight

[upper nexus]

enable volumetrics!

[sly timber]

They are bugged

[full estuary]

I've checked the original game and there's no screen flashing when firing the flamethrower; I'm guessing the weapon model is missing it..?

[sly timber]

Probably, ig i just assumed because in my opengl port it automatically picked up light

For the flamethrower I mean

Its not hard to add it myself tho so

Actually i think it made them emissives nvm lol

In the opengl*

[full estuary]

Ah, makes sense

[mighty lotus]

Walls kinda tweaking out when your walking away

Is that because of OpenGL

[sly timber]

Yea

Its why we needed a dx9 renderer

[sly timber]

Sorry guys no new stuff cuz I didn't get to look deep into rtcw I'm lagging behind

[full estuary]

proper release with camera working ( 🙏 ) https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-SP/releases/tag/v1.41.r02_camera

need Sky Auto Detect, otherwise the camera shows in the Sky Diorama; then the model stuff prevents weapons going thru walls, and removes the shadow of the floating hand and weapon

and now, I'll make an attempt at those pesky geometry hashes; @sly timber in case you find bugs or stuff that does not work in directx9 but it did work opengl, let me know

[grand shoal]

Camera properly animated yet?

[full estuary]

yes

[grand shoal]

Crazy

I wish I knew how to do that lmao

[sly timber]

Amazing work

[sly timber]

Will do

[full estuary]

thanks 😃

[sly timber]

I will try it a bunch when I get home from welding shi

[terse sparrow]

This is awesome!

do doom 3 next 😁

[sly timber]

Man do you remind me of beylerbey

[terse sparrow]

iunno who that is

[grand shoal]

Dw about it

[sly timber]

worry about it

[full zinc]

Dw = do worry

[sly timber]

Sadly beylerbey helped alot along this project but will not get to see it finished (I think he blocked me)

[full zinc]

i'm sorry 😦

he might just have all DMs disabled if he doesn't share a server

[sly timber]

True true

Oh well lmao he got too fiesty

[sly timber]

bloom and or fog on

[sly timber]

Really appreciate your enthusiasm

Lol

[fickle heart]

well it has a modern source port

but there seem to be a lack of a vanilla+ sort of mods

realrtcw and venom are interesting but they change a lot

[sly timber]

I want to keep the game as vanilla as possible but maybe doing a remodel side project

supersoldat?

yeah that room was sucky

yeah

i wont be changing any of the maps around trust

yeah

if we get stability it sholdnt be too hard to add high poly meshes

[prisma crown]

when do you think an alpha version of your mod is possible

[sly timber]

My mod?

Saint is working on the compatibility

Its already ou5

Out

[prisma crown]

oh

[sly timber]

^

[prisma crown]

so all that light work is directly responsible because of the compatibility thing?

it looked so good

[sly timber]

Yeah

They added stuff like dynamic lights and whatnot

Except some of the dynamic lights didn't translate so I can send my mod which has some of the non dynamic lights covered

[sly timber]

Idk if I posted this here yet but I confused my friends they thought this was an actual embassy type shi

Also @sick elk I wanted to ask but if we get this in a stable state could I get your help with pbr stuff (I suck ass setting up the upscale stuff)

[sick elk]

Absolutelyyy, I was looking at getting the game just yesterday

[sly timber]

Thanks!!

[strong plinth]

I mean, at a glance it does look pretty photorealistic. Take that, pathtracing nay-sayers!

[sly timber]

Ye

[sly timber]

Also do you have gamepass?

Cuz it's free on their (I could also give you a gamepass code)

[sick elk]

I don't But das okay, it turns out one of my brothers has it so I got it on family share

[sly timber]

Kewl!

Rtcw is on gamepass altho you will need to make a copy of the folders otherwise Xbox freaks out iirc

Unless they changed the exe binary it should be the same

[sick elk]

This shit about to look so good

[sly timber]

Ong

I need to make an updated tutorial for it now that we have dx9 binary

[sly timber]

put the wolf.cfg in main and replace, what i replied to you with is the new binarys, just drag drop and replace it all skurt

(my wolf conf and rtx conf are mode updated than theres

and here is my mod

[sly timber]

Sorry wrong link skurt this one

[sly timber]

until i go about editing the bsps, some dynamic lights dont work well,,, so i edited them in the runtime, unfortunately they lose their flicker

@paper egret btw wasnt there something with the opengl port that helped stabilize the game that wasnt a command? could it carry over to the dx9 port?

[paper egret]

I have no idea mate

[sly timber]

alright, sorry to bother ya then lol

[full estuary]

We might tweak the intensity of the light from the code, it did not translate very well to dx9, some of them are too bright

[sly timber]

LMAO

[grand shoal]

[sly timber]

Whar

[grand shoal]

My fucking heavy metal

[sly timber]

Dw bruddah it'll work out in the end

[grand shoal]

They all say that

[sly timber]

Yea but they aren't all (word) intelligent individuals

[grand shoal]

And you are?

[sly timber]

Plus saint said it might work for other idtech3 games in the future

[grand shoal]

I'm holding out hope because you said so, bailey.

Don't let me down.

[sly timber]

I'm just a messenger parroting what others have told you

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-it's-just-the-way-it-is-i'm-just-the-messenger-gif-6270475095135913721

[grand shoal]

So you aren't an intelligent individual

[sly timber]

"Intelligent"

[grand shoal]

I take that as a no

[sly timber]

I'm special

If you get the jyst

[grand shoal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/387789607074529281/1330757143162388511/20250120_115318.jpg?ex=678f23ab&is=678dd22b&hm=17a7025c8409867dc8e723756aa0835b3ee5c7b5641f9fe07fcb98b33c02627e&

[grand shoal]

Special needs

[sly timber]

Not quite no

But close enough anyway ig

[grand shoal]

The first step to acceptance

[sly timber]

The second step, scoring 2/200 on the test abd prove I'm not

[grand shoal]

Better than nothing

[sly timber]

😭

[full estuary]

😂 yea, when I saw that I noclip-ped and tried to reach it to no avail, then I noticed the skybox diorama (sandbox?) on the side of the castle, exactly at your back as you sit in this screenshot; I've got a fix for this in the github, to ignore r_novis while rendering the sky

[sly timber]

Its not a diorama or sandbox, back before skyboxes were how they are now, they were shrunk down into models and projected into the sky

[full estuary]

that's what I mean.. I think

[sly timber]

Oh sorry lol

Its 2 am I ain't thinkin

[full estuary]

Did you see it in the level with noclip on?

[sly timber]

I saw it without noclip altho doing noclip seems to cause it more

Like for me it's kinda random almost(?)

[full estuary]

ah interesting, lemme send a screenshot first, to show you what I'm talking about

If you fly out of the castle, right about there, and you look down, you will see the sky-box

I call it a diorama because it's a tiny level, and camera goes there when a frame begins rendering

that is also why you see the castle in the sky, because if you disable PVS with r_novis, then the true game geometry is visible from the small skybox

So I guess my question is, did you use r_novis when seeing it?

[sly timber]

I don't think I did no

I'll check tomorrow

Because rn it's 2 am lol

[full estuary]

yea, sure, my bad, good night

[sly timber]

@full estuary yeah it's gone when r_novis is off

[full estuary]

Great. I have a fix for that, I can trigger a build if you want it

[sly timber]

Sure if your able to

[full estuary]

https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-SP/actions/runs/12872224821

[sly timber]

Alright, thank you

[sly timber]

and with that fixed i wanted to try out more of the moonlight theme, so i was messing around with fallback lights to get that feel (ofc there isnt any working lights so its kinda dark,,,

i love how malleable the runtime itself is

[terse sparrow]

looks really moody and overcast that way

[full estuary]

I've studied a bit how the camera(view) and world(model) transforms/matrixes are passed to opengl by heavy metal (and wolf and I guess other idtech3) cause I was hoping the camera gets passed first (for solid geometry which does not need a world transform) and then for entities (which need a world transform and a camera). Tough luck: some ff'in entities go first, so there's no way to guess the camera matrix from opengl wrapper; that would have been too easy. We would need to grab the camera from within the gamecode; I'm looking at it with ghidra, but it's on the backburner when I need some time off from wolf. The bad part is that even if we pass the camera, we might not be able to get stable hashes, and that gets us nowhere.

[sly timber]

why might we not be able to get stable hashes exactly? or do you mean in the other game and not wolf

[full estuary]

in the other games, since we don't have sourcecode

[grand shoal]

Yes, but if the camera is working, at least the lighting will be stable. Displacement maps and pbr textures can do a lot of heavy lifting.

[sly timber]

gotcha

[sly timber]

I think the source code for the id tech 3 star trek games are online, though im unsure if theyre complete enough to make work.

[full estuary]

thanks for the info. I see that the developers released the gamecode, and I think there is a merge with ioquake3, would be work investigating. Also somebody here mentioned all 3 Jedi Knight games have working source code on github, so these are viable 😃

[sly timber]

uwa!

[prisma crown]

How does the original game look in this exact location

[sly timber]

like that

or at least close enough i guess

its not an exact angle

@full estuary I did notice a bug in trainyard, just wanted to point it out but the floor is leaking

[sly timber]

Yeah because using light maps buggs everything

Amd i only have 1 install of rtcw rn :p

[sly timber]

here is max settings too with lightmaps n stuff

[pine bronze]

Not so far from current RTX variation

[sly timber]

except it looks baked (not like baked lighting) and no objects react to the light

Cuz its lightmaps

[full zinc]

can you like uh

hm

words come out please

[sly timber]

[full zinc]

can you share your rtx.conf and like basic steps on how to get it to that state

i have an idea to improve the way it looks drastically without much tweaking

[sly timber]

I did hold on

Lemme just make a new one actually

[full zinc]

i'll pin it 🙂

[sly timber]

HOW TO MAKE RTCW RTX WORK

• to start youll need to install Saintmaths compatibility mod (https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-SP)
  drag and drop the binaries into the game, replacing everything

• the next step is to drop the latest runtime into the game files right next to your exe

• make a file called "dxvk.conf" and add d3d9.shaderModel = 0 to the text, and save

• add the given rtx.conf to the same root folder ass your remix files and then change the in game settings to have both gl extension and lightmaps off

• once in any map type in r_wolffog 0, sv_cheats 1 r_nocull, r_noportals "1", r_nocurves "1 and cg_particleDist "0"

now the world isnt entirely stable and currently flickers with sound and movement from npcs/chairs and alot of light is missing from most maps, however this mod helps with the first maps lighting at least (just place it in rtx-remix/mods)

@full zinc there ya go

you could also probably unpin the old stuff too to keep it clean

[sly timber]

Thanks!

[full estuary]

While reading some more code, I notices that Flares are very similar to the Dynamic lights I was already sending to Remix.. so now it's possible to convert all flares to lights

It's all hacky at the moment because I removed the old lights, but I will clean it up and create a build soon

Video here if interested (youtube gives me 720p and that looks bad): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bTKLBZmrzclcUp9M5XeFJmbmTB47GrIt/view?usp=drive_link

[sly timber]

Woah??? Cool as hell and saves me time

[full estuary]

Yup, and some look really good, like that colored window in the tower. Not all of them have flares, for example the chandeliers you showed in a screenshot above don’t have any flares attached, that is a dark corridor

[sly timber]

Makes sense

@full estuary does the flamethrower have any flares

[full estuary]

Apparently not 😔

[sly timber]

damn

do you think there is any way to pass off the flame particles into emissive textures through the api? it was able to do that somehow in the opengl form with the wrapper

#1229858482530943037 message (referencing this again)

[full estuary]

How did you do that?

[sly timber]

no idea, i used the wrapper and it did it automatically on launch

for the opengl title ver.

[full estuary]

Hmm I’ll have to look into it tommorow as it’s late here

It is possible not all things are converted well to directx

I’ll run it with wrapper and remix ad see what I get. If you remember any settings you changed activated in remix let me know

[sly timber]

no settings changed other than disabled lightmaps and no opengl extensions were changed, as well as the usual /r_nocurves 1 and /r_nocull 1

[sly timber]

so warm and cozy lol

[grand shoal]

CHEETOS

[sly timber]

Cheetos?

[grand shoal]

ORANGE

[sly timber]

Yeah, fore tends to be orange

[sly timber]

CRUNCHY

[severe sapphire]

Ain’t this the woke game series /jk

I love Wolfenstein

[sly timber]

yea

[sly timber]

On GANG bruddah

[sly timber]

you really should

[sly timber]

Hell yeah

[sly timber]

Work lowkey so boring, wish I was raytracing rtcw rn

[sly timber]

the way the bullet shells cast shadows wowie (not my screen shot I asked a friend to do some stuff with my modifications)

[upper nexus]

capture em

100k poly bulletshell models

with your name imprinted on them

or my name because its my idea

[sly timber]

Not stable at all

[sly timber]

https://mino-git.github.io/rtcw-wet-blender-model-tools/downloads.html

saving this for later

been talking to the person who made RealRTCW; got alot of good info for stuff

[fickle heart]

hype

[full estuary]

That sounds great! I noticed he has a map editor and other tools bundled with his release binaries, he might prove very helpful. If only that geometry would ‘settle down’ and stabilize 😂😅🥲

[full estuary]

a glimmer of hope for our poor hashes 🥳

this is far from done though, just an incredibly lucky find (I commented 1 line of code 😂 )

[sly timber]

What was the lucky find exactly? 👀

[full estuary]

disabling sorting of surfaces

idtech3 groups all triangles according to their texture, and draws them all in a big batch

and one,two or three of those trianles, out of hundreds, sometimes is shifted a small a mount, and as a consequnce breaks the hash for all the other poligons in the same batch

now, why those couple of triangles change position.. tht's what I need to find out. hopefully it gets easier now, since small batches are drawn

the haystacks are smaller now 🥲

[sly timber]

Right yeah

At least it's less problems

Do the hash data still reset in between portals?

[full estuary]

what do you call portals?

[sly timber]

Pvs portals

[full estuary]

I would guess not.. lemme think about it..

if I toggle r_novis, the hash does not change

so they should not change

the video is with r_novis 0

[sly timber]

I see, alright

[full estuary]

so if we keep rendering like this (more drawcalls) we will have to capture with r_novis 1, and hopefully the hashes keep when r_novis is 0

I get shirt fps when r_novis 1, cpu bottleneck (dx9 draw code is not very optimised either)

[sly timber]

Understandable too tho considering your disabling the vistree which was made for optimization

[full estuary]

but some sky is not properly rendering.. so I still need to go thru the code and see which sections rely on surfaces being sorted

but this could be big for other games too 🤞

[sly timber]

The sky is an enemy every update

I do wonder how we could translate this to something like realrtcw considering they use only 64 bit and have non of the same files

[full estuary]

I was planning on moving this to iortcw anyway

or realrtcw, should be the same thing

they have flamethrower particles in realrtcw 🥳

[sly timber]

Realrtcw is built off the iortcw branch

[full estuary]

do you know what king of changes he did to iortcw?

[sly timber]

Mostly just increased the polygon limit, I asked him what kind of shader work he did and I quote "nothing more than the base [rtcw] game, most work was done in texturing[...] a good texture can go a long way"

This was from our convo yesterday

[full estuary]

aha, sounds good

[sly timber]

So basically it should mostly be the same as iortcw

[full estuary]

was he excited about the remix rtcw?

[sly timber]

Well he was the one who asked me about it in the first place, or moreso his friend asked me because he doesn't use discord often

[full estuary]

sounds good

[sly timber]

I guess the real difference between iortcw and rrtcw is rrtcw abandoned the 32 bit branch

[full estuary]

really? ..but in all honesti it should not make a difference I think

[sly timber]

Only difference it makes is how to install remix

As we don't need the bridge portion

However 64 bit provides massive performance gains with remix and not alot of crashing like 32bit (like with alt tabbing)

[full estuary]

ye I saw perf gains in 64bit with my own tests of idtech3

[sly timber]

Should I tell Mr wolfetplayer that you might look into his code to get it compatible?

Cuz he seemed fairly interested at least

[full estuary]

yea, I was going to port the changes anyhow to io-variant, so we'll just choose realrtcw then; buut.. I need to fix hashes properly fist.. so in the next couple of months i'll start

i.e. i'm in no rush

[sly timber]

Right lol

I don't think anyone here is in any rush

I still love finding what I have labeled "anchor meshes" lmao it's really funny

Just finding one piece of stable hash that has another mesh like it that oddly isn't stable

Yet that one is

[full estuary]

so e.g. like a chair is stable in one place, but another instance of that same chair is not?

[sly timber]

Yeah, strangely it's mostly accustomed to the wall flags and dead bodies/skeletons

There's usually (not 100%) 1 per loaded area

(By area i mean what loads in with novis off)

[full estuary]

interesting, so yea I was comparing screens and screens of vertex dumps the other day, and 2,3 vertexes in the big sea had a very insignificant difference at some point e.g 0.946223 vs 0.94622217 ->mind furk

[sly timber]

And there are a couple of one that are the same, like two iron cross flags, but they both have entirely different hashes despite being the same mesh they copied and paste

[sly timber]

Hm

[full estuary]

I will figure it out..

[sly timber]

😅 don't overwork yourself tho lol

[full estuary]

it bugs me now.. but I'll take care. I know I need to be careful, because if I get burnt out, I might drop the project entirely.. and we don't want that 😅

[sly timber]

For sure

Last thing we'd want lol

Anyways I gotta shower and get ready for my "job application" (weld test for the job until I'm needed elsewhere) cya later !

[full estuary]

bb and good luck

[sly timber]

I think I did good

at least i hope

anyways im remembering the good old days of https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986078500060536903/1333556073717567589/Wolfenstein_2024-08-12_09-10-58-1.mp4?ex=67995260&is=679800e0&hm=85f155eb71ee92b5c3a2a7170da89759bdbbe0a94fe8cbcd00396cbbcb4024d9&

[fickle heart]

Yeeaaa just the way I remember it

[grand shoal]

Mmm. Crunchy motion vectors

[sly timber]

Yuh

[full estuary]

so I heard people were upset there were too many hashes.. well how about one big funkin hash for the whole map? 😂 😂

[sly timber]

wow

i mean is that actually a good thing or a bad thing

[full estuary]

It’s not good for mesh replacements: everything that is a sigle color is one big mesh 😂

Let me check some chairs..

[grand shoal]

Remaster the whole map in one go

[full estuary]

so those chairs would be one sigle mesh 😂

[full estuary]

@sly timber But seriously now, would that be feasible? Say we replace the chairs, you have one big mesh with these over here, two of them in the room below, and a couple in the rooms across the yard 😃

and this is r_novis 1, so zero light bleeding

(it only works w/ r_novis 1 🥲 )

this is Carmack level thinking! Once in a lifetime event.. if we don't jump in now, we might never get a similar opportunity

[grand shoal]

Uhm

Don't sound that bad to me

tbh'

[sly timber]

technically yeah

minus the wall meshes which might have some rotational issues

in the toolkit if you replace one, all meshes with the same hash would also be replaced

however that being said, if you were to say make hashes for each building or colored based on walls, it might be good for stuff like light replacements n such

instead of thousands of mini hashes

[full estuary]

ok, let me work on a release (there are still a handful of instable hashes, but I can deal with those after) so you could do some exports and check them out

there is one other idea that I have, but it's an inbetween thing, since we are limited by the BSP: split all 3d map space in a grid, then if one piece of geometry e.g. something wih castle-wall texture is drawn (because pvs check says it's visible), then all sibling geometry pieces, form same grid block, with castle-wall textures, will be drawn (even if not in pvs)

[sly timber]

Oooh wait that is kind of a good idea tho

Altho won't that cause some form of light bleed?

[full estuary]

yea, we might still get light bleed

[sly timber]

I see

Well i suppose in the end it's a good mix of stability and optimization yeah

Anyways imma drive home gl on the release may the bugs be within your favor lol

[full estuary]

thanks, hopefully I get the lights in to, I'll try to use the remix API since directx9 has a limit of max 8 lights 😂

[sly timber]

Wonder why

[full estuary]

before RT, light calculations was an expensive job I guess, you would have 3-4 lights active at the same time

I remember when NWN2 came out, you could select max no of light in video settings, more than 2 was tanking my gpus performance then

[sly timber]

I see so it was a recourse problem for dx9

[sly timber]

dlss 4

[mighty lotus]

What’s the DLL for dlss 4, I can’t find it online, but tbh I didn’t look very hard

[sly timber]

You won't be able to find it online you je3d to steal them from 2077

[mighty lotus]

Ohhh that’s smart

That should be in there Nvidia folder right

[sly timber]

#offtopic-game-discussion message

[mighty lotus]

Thanks

[sly timber]

I forgor to send an image but @mighty lotus use it at your own risk, shit frozen my laptop completely

[mighty lotus]

Wouldn’t be asking if I wasn’t willing the risk

But thanks for letting me know

[sly timber]

Aye

Saintmath before I go off and do my commute i wanted to say another bug(?) (Unless it's something that just hasn't been finished yet) but particles often are shown with a black background instead of being clear through, ie the rocket launcher particles or sometimes the flamethrower if it's feeling quirky, I can send a video later

[full estuary]

I believe that's a remix thing. Without remix (dx9 mode) the smoke shows transparent