Return to Castle Wolfenstein (RTCW)

[sly timber]

any work but others work well more than others

@full zinc do you think its ok to start a moddb page for this btw, its not finished and idk if moddb will say its rtx compatible

and I mean I could ask for help from there too

[sly timber]

well

this is odd

I got the game weirdly optimized without the need of that command

[prisma crown]

I can edit on moddb as well

the game listing should allow any additional information required to run the game with remix

[sly timber]

apon further inspection changing the textures for the torches into decal textures, as well as the floating chains into decal textures/ignore textures fixes the major lag issues

it apears to be anything animated

or anything that clips with anything animated

[sly timber]

I dont know if we should actually add a moddb page yet bcuz it still has its issues

[sly timber]

@little spruce making some progress

[sly timber]

now if only the editor worked

probably will later down the line

[full zinc]

yes. i'll go ahead and do it

[sly timber]

alrighty

[sly timber]

also

no more lag

on some parts

optimizing the rest and doing some textures for the fun of it

[full zinc]

all done

https://www.moddb.com/games/return-to-castle-wolfenstein

[sly timber]

Awesome

How do I add you to the moddb page so you can add your own articles and such

[full zinc]

i'm a moderator on moddb, so i can already i think

[sly timber]

Oh ok

[full zinc]

i'd recommend against doing articles and things like that right now because it's so unstable

[sly timber]

Yea

For now im just making a page

https://www.moddb.com/mods/return-to-castle-wolfenstein-reborn/#processmediaform

[full zinc]

very cool

[sly timber]

Anyways off to work I go

[little spruce]

Looking great

[sly timber]

Man

[full zinc]

👨

i have 0 time to dedicate to this unfortunately. i think it'll be quite a long time before i can

[sly timber]

not much we can do for now anyway

I can't even edit the light parameters all that well and I still need to find a way to disable the sky

Plus my pc is out of commission until it's back from the repair shop

[sly timber]

I should probably get back to work on this....

It's gamer time

(I don't have my pc still but I'm gonna steal my brother's 4060)

[sly timber]

Actually maybe I shouldn't link it it might be sold

Friends mass trolling, by buying a domain to dm me

[somber quartz]

isnt that falls in domain hijacking?

[sly timber]

It's not a hijack, they bought the domain name

The name itself is long

[somber quartz]

i mean

they bought the domain that you posted because they want to troll you

thats why i thought if it was domain hijacking

but nvm

[sly timber]

If they bought the domain it's theirs

Hijacking would be say, stealing google.com to send someone to a bad site

[sly timber]

@little spruce you down to test a setting real quick?

[little spruce]

if it's real quick though

[sly timber]

Yes

You know the lab map correct?

[little spruce]

I believe it's where I have the saves

[sly timber]

Could you (before loading a save) disable fallback light entirely and load up the lab map?

As well as the disable autoexec command that causes the heavy artifacts

[little spruce]

what command?

[sly timber]

Did you download autoexec from here or nah

[little spruce]

nope

[sly timber]

Ok nvm then

Just the fallback disable

[little spruce]

so just disable fallback, got it

mmm

I don't know what happened but it's not even hooking anymore

[sly timber]

Ok so download the most recent version of the wrapper, and configure files (as well as the auto exec)

[little spruce]

do you have a link for config and autoexec?

what wrapper were we using again?

[sly timber]

^

These

[little spruce]

There's something strange going on with these files

it's all zoomed in, even by changing the res in the config file it does nothing

[sly timber]

Remove the autoexec

[little spruce]

nope

[sly timber]

Damn

[sly timber]

@fervent geyser

[fervent geyser]

[sly timber]

@fervent geyser

@vague plinth

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/releases

@vague plinth one sec

[vague plinth]

ok

[grand shoal]

Huh

[sly timber]

Getting help from friends

[grand shoal]

[sly timber]

What

I can take all the help I can get lol

[grand shoal]

Did I say say you can't?

[sly timber]

@heady plank If your still down to re make any of the meshes I do have one thing I'd like to ask

[heady plank]

I can do meshes yeah

Shoot, what's up?

[sly timber]

Well currently we can't replace meshes but there is a specific gun I wanted to ask if you could remake rq (for testing purposes)

Again that's only if you want tho I ain't forcing you to do anything

[heady plank]

A model would take me a while probably

Especially if it needs rigging and stuff

If you wanna test textures and stuff, no problem, it's what I've been doing for Dark Messiah

[sly timber]

Makes sense

[heady plank]

What gun did you want remade btw?

[sly timber]

I wanted the luger remade but it's up to you if you wanna do any of the other ones done

Or not done

Idk I plan on doing some myself

Like ik I'm doing the mp40 at least

Or gonna try

[heady plank]

THE LUGE

I'm down to at least try it

I'll start making a collection of reference images

[sly timber]

Alright

[sly timber]

I could theoretically port some of the maps to gmod or make a source mod - stay tuned

we shall see if my blender addon reads it

!!!!!!!!!!!

this is fucking mega

[sly timber]

its time

located and decompiled every map

nothing draws tutorial time

https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/User:SirYodaJedi/Porting_IdTech_3_maps_to_Source/en fortunatley theres this but its very messy to read

pain time

!!!!

textures loading its thinking

[sly timber]

progress progress, I do have to decompile some of the baked textures so

located all(?) textures

[ripe hazel]

That's the catacombs right?
The part with the round dome is where you fight that zombie which comes out the fire, right?

[sly timber]

Yes

[sly timber]

sucsessfully ported to hammer

convertine all textues atm

[sly timber]

temporarily making a source texture version until I have time to port

@rocky trout im gonna compress part of it, send you it here and then once you finish that if your still down to help ill send other things

[rocky trout]

oke!

lets go

[sly timber]

compressing

[sly timber]

was able to fit alot more, here ya go

I'll probably be porting models over myself

[rocky trout]

i would like to know, which are brushes and which are props

but

ill try myself

with mipmaps or not?

with compression?

[sly timber]

with compression is fine, no minimaps (tried that alread) and yea i can sort it between props and brushes if you give me time, however it should auto read the textures names when opening hammer

im not the smartest on vtf edit thats me bad

[rocky trout]

but if i will use rgba8888?

[sly timber]

whats that mean

[rocky trout]

format that has the highest quality

without any compession

[sly timber]

thats fine really, I dont care how its ported as long as it is (really I just have no idea on all things texture porting just model and map stuff)

[rocky trout]

is that map stuff?

[sly timber]

nope thats part of the intro I belive

[rocky trout]

oke, ill convert this in vtf also

I FORGOT THAT VTF EDIT HAS THAT FEATURE💀

[sly timber]

oh

lol

[rocky trout]

can i know how to compress archives?

200 mb

[sly timber]

7zip or just start making split files and put it in by 100 images per file

[rocky trout]

you know what?

ill put it on my gdrive

[rocky trout]

@sly timber https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-kbpkm9D22arMqJUTNeVIP8zma5zDVO7/view?usp=sharing

[sly timber]

tysm

[rocky trout]

you're welcome!

but they are without vmts...

[sly timber]

right and im gonna have to write thoes id assume

[rocky trout]

https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Category:Shaders
useful page

[rocky trout]

can i ask, how will you port all game from id tech to source?

[sly timber]

im going to start with maps, then models, then npcs

thankfully ive decompilled almost everything (hence why I have the textures)

Generic vmts written

Let's hope it all auto assigns

[sly timber]

again tysm

lemme know if you ever wanna do more (or if not ill just figure it out myself)

[rocky trout]

what can i do for you now?

[sly timber]

Ice been getting this error saying when compiling saying luxe vale 0 needs to be 6 do you have any idea

[rocky trout]

uhm, does ice have water parameters?

[rocky trout]

or not?

[sly timber]

There is no ice for water parameters it's saying all the faces

When compiling in hammer specifically

[rocky trout]

huh

[sly timber]

I'll show a video when I'm off work but I assume (?) It's from all the lights altho I have no idea really if there is a way to set thoes

Maybe it's the ring term I'm thinking of too

Wrong*

Basically all the faces have some value set to 0 that needs at least 6

[rocky trout]

and how to fix that?

[sly timber]

I don't know really, supposedly setting the faces value to it but I have no idea

[sly timber]

at home, this is the error, searching it up doesnt give much on it besides how to do it in game

[rocky trout]

wait, what shader do brushes use?

[sly timber]

the ported shaders from RTCW

[rocky trout]

wha

[sly timber]

when using the porting tool it ported over the shaders ig

thats what shows up

[rocky trout]

wait, what

[sly timber]

one sec lemme

[rocky trout]

shaders from another engine to source?

[sly timber]

I cant find the shaders section

im not to good at this

[rocky trout]

it wont work, you need to make shader from another game be compatible with source, and of course, with remix

but!

usually, models (not brushes) use vertexlitgeneric

brushes - lightmappedgeneric

[sly timber]

how do I find the shader selection in hammer tho (i think) I remember seeing that somewhere probably (I could be wrong)

[rocky trout]

water (if i didn't forgor 💀) uses lightmappedreflective

[rocky trout]

you set what shader for brush or model only in vmt

[sly timber]

ah so the lightmapgeneric for the brushes I did

[rocky trout]

yes, and for it to work, you just need to set the albedo or diffuse texture

"VertexLitGeneric" ///or lightmappedgeneric
{
"$baseTexture" "aboba" ///or whatever file you use
}

[sly timber]

Gotcha, yeah I have that don't for the 45% textures that was ported

[sly timber]

@fresh moat you down to make thoes textures now?

[sly timber]

@zealous thicket remember that one issue from the very begining where there was white phasing blocks that were assumed to be lightmaps?

[zealous thicket]

Vaguely, yeah

[sly timber]

after looking into the map editor it turns out it wasnt just lightmaps, but also an in game clip called monsterclip that was rendered as a white box, that the game rendered as invisable

remix still picked up on it somehow

[ripe hazel]

Exciting stuff you're showing Mocha 😄

[sly timber]

thanks! until there is more implementation with the graphics api for nvidia I figured id decompile everything to make a source esc port but I cant wait for the graphics api

[ripe hazel]

Don't blame you ^^

[sly timber]

more updates soon ish but small break

[ripe hazel]

Waiting patiently (lies) 😛

[sly timber]

first build of my port :kekw:

[sly timber]

A new window has been started

[little spruce]

I like the sky

[sly timber]

it is a really nice sky

[sly timber]

there is a window but obviosly (I havent written the rest) its not taking anything form the game

[sly timber]

To do list after completing all this

Model updates (not a high possibility)
A new ost similar to the original (like a couple of songs nothing Mik
Bew textures

But I don't wanna stray to far from base game because I know where that would lead me to

[ripe hazel]

The fans wouldn't like that either.

I prefer them RTX Remasters to look like Half-Life: Ray Traced.

[sly timber]

@full zinc are we allowed to ask for help via the mods article? or is that not allowed on moddb

[full zinc]

i'm not sure what you mean

like an article written for a mod that's hosted on moddb?

[sly timber]

yea if I wrote an article on my rtcw rtx mod page asking for help, is that allowed

[full zinc]

imo yes

[sly timber]

alright, thanks

[sly timber]

mmmmm acid, but its getting better

[grand shoal]

Check and fix your motion vectors

[sly timber]

Where is that

[grand shoal]

debug visualization

[sly timber]

I cant find a visualization version of that in the debug view

[grand shoal]

Then you're blind

Look for anything that says vectors

[sly timber]

seizure warning

[grand shoal]

ohhh yeah

That's messed up

[sly timber]

yayyyy

[sly timber]

And there'd no way to fix it via the runtime I'd assume

[grand shoal]

No wonder lighting looks messed up/shimmery

[grand shoal]

Nop

It's a compatibility issue so you'll have to fix it game/wrapper side

[sly timber]

Idk how much I'm going to try and mess around with the base opengl game rather than wait on the person I have helping me for the d3d9 engine port itself but what would I need to do to the base game/wrapper

[grand shoal]

I genuinely have no idea

[sly timber]

Alright lol

[grand shoal]

All I know is that it's broken, and can't be fixed remix-side

[sly timber]

Yeahhh then I won't worry to much abt it

It's more of a hassle to try and fix the base game to be compatible than to just make a pre compatible port with bo culling and proper support for hashes and meshes

[rocky trout]

epilepsy gaming?

[sly timber]

yup

[rocky trout]

hooray!!!

[sly timber]

its whatever

[paper egret]

You can play with the hash rule in your rtx config file

Removing things until it's stable.

rtx.geometryGenerationHashRuleString = positions,texcoords,geometrydescriptor,vertexshader

That's what cod2 uses I think. Similar engine aint it

[sly timber]

Testing this asap

[paper egret]

Remove each word after the comma and reload the game 🙂 ez

To try different methods that is

[sly timber]

We shall see

Rn I'm welding but as soon as I get home I am trying it

[paper egret]

Lol cool

[sly timber]

so id just put it at the end like this?

[paper egret]

Ctrl f and find it, should be there already

[sly timber]

there isnt one when finding

lemme try again

[paper egret]

Guess that's right then

Remove all but one and the game will freak out. try that

[sly timber]

freak our how

ah

[paper egret]

Polygons spiking every where

[sly timber]

I see

[paper egret]

Yay it works. Now to try combinations of the rules to see what makes it stable

[sly timber]

which one works for your engine

[paper egret]

Remove one at a time. Mix and match

This one
#1229858482530943037 message

You need to turn on off portal fine cull from the game as well r_portalfinecull "0"

Think you can just turn off portals in this game completely you lucky boy you

[sly timber]

how so

[paper egret]

No the game setting not remix

Your player profile game settings one

[sly timber]

draw portal skys?

[paper egret]

Don't worry about that yet. Has it gotten more stable?

[sly timber]

its still flashy

but its smoother

[paper egret]

what about debug view? That's where we wanna be

[sly timber]

one sec

not in the slightest lol

thats with only the last removed

I also need to update my rtx remix version idk if thatll help

its on 5.1

[paper egret]

Change it to geometry hash

Please

[sly timber]

Aye aye

[sly timber]

debug view geometry hash

[paper egret]

It's stable when stood still. And your gun is stable. Great news

[sly timber]

great news

First time

[paper egret]

Open console and smash in r_portalfinecull 0

[sly timber]

Done

or is it a different console

[paper egret]

No that's it

Oh poop it's different here

r_smc_enable "0"
r_forcelod "0"
Try these

[sly timber]

Both unknown, altho idk if there is some version of thing like sv_cheats or an admin command I need to start with

[paper egret]

It must be slightly different here

IM searching for the Wolfenstein version. I only know the cod ones

[sly timber]

Ah lol

[paper egret]

r_singleCell

[sly timber]

unknown command

[paper egret]

https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Return_to_Castle_Wolfenstein/Console
Time to enable cheats

It's the same as cod 4, wild

r_drawSun 0
I'm don't know why but trust me.

[sly timber]

turning on cheats first

[paper egret]

Yea nice one

You got stable hashes. Its great news

[sly timber]

it seems to register the command but

[paper egret]

Think you need to fuse world

The settings are here we just need to correct combo

[sly timber]

is that in the remix menu

[paper egret]

Yea

Z up, scale 0.01

[sly timber]

if only there were a search feature for remix

I cant find the fuse world which tab is it in

[paper egret]

one sec, just booted my pc

[sly timber]

k

[paper egret]

copy that

[sly timber]

copied

its all still there, however the lights are less(?) flashy

[paper egret]

ok now we're cooking

[sly timber]

🔥

[somber quartz]

things getting better

[paper egret]

in debug settings tick rtx.skipDrawCallsPostRTXInjection = True

dev settings sorry

[sly timber]

it removed the ui

except for the gun ui

[paper egret]

ok sod that 😛

<path-to-game>\Main\wolfconfig.cfg
this is where your r_this and that goes

open it with notepad

[sly timber]

whats next

[paper egret]

put these at the bottom and save the file, reload the game
seta r_drawSun "0"
seta r_portalFineCull "0"
seta r_smc_enable "0"
seta sc_enable "0"

seta sv_cheats "0"

[sly timber]

sv_cheats 0 would be off right

[paper egret]

nope 😛

playin the old switcheroo

i have no idea i'm copying out of mine

[sly timber]

same difference

[paper egret]

mesh hash dude

that doesnt matter til we sort that

[sly timber]

its started hashing the props at least

[paper egret]

wow now we're talking

[sly timber]

should I try changing any of the conf settings that you sent earlier

I only removed the one

[paper egret]

whats your current rule say?

[sly timber]

rtx.geometryGenerationHashRuleString = positions,texcoords,geometrydescriptor

[paper egret]

rtx.geometryAssetHashRuleString = positions,texcoords,geometrydescriptor,vertexlayout,vertexshader
try this

and add the commands to "Main\wolfconfig.cfg"
seta r_drawSun "0"
seta r_portalFineCull "0"
seta r_smc_enable "0"
seta sc_enable "0"
seta sv_cheats "0"

[sly timber]

have these

mostly stable prop hashes on some parts

earlier the chains were flashing

same with the dead guy

things are changing

maybe the seta thing is smthn to do with read only?

but its not

[paper egret]

lets have a look here

[sly timber]

leaving no stone unturned

[paper egret]

lol

whats the wrapped you used mate?

[sly timber]

gldirect

[paper egret]

smc_enable fixed those props btw

[sly timber]

gotcha

[paper egret]

just gotta place opengl32.dll into the games root?

[sly timber]

yep

right next to the exe

[paper egret]

ah i see it in the menu, neato

[sly timber]

wdym

also would you llike my saves, so you can skip the intro

[paper egret]

yes please

gotta update my nvidia driver

[sly timber]

here are the saves, I have "mochartx" for the map im using

just unzip and put in main/save

[paper egret]

spdevmap mochartx?

[paper egret]

i'll keep it default at first on second thought. so we dont inherit each others problems

btw wolfenstein is on sale for £1.50 on steam right now

i've never even played it

[sly timber]

nice

ive played it for most of my childhood

[paper egret]

oh cool, and now your modding it

[sly timber]

yep

[paper egret]

its hooked, just sorting out cheats

[sly timber]

fire

[paper egret]

i'm in it works, i'm seeing what your seeing

it hangs every minute for about 10 seconds, that normal?

[sly timber]

in game?

never happened to me

however turning on lightmaps instead of vertex lights seems to make the game look a wohle lot better

[paper egret]

cant see the console now 😦

while in game

[sly timber]

did you mark it as ui?

[paper egret]

oh no, could you share your rtx.conf file with me please?

[paper egret]

fanx

[sly timber]

yup

[paper egret]

any luck @sly timber ?

[sly timber]

no luck on changine the commands to sv_cheats

or weather or not the other commands are working

the game still twitches too when standing still

[paper egret]

oh i got cheats to work

open single player "spdevmap village1"

cheats forever

when you turn off capture vertex from shader nothing renders. thats worrying

[sly timber]

how come

[paper egret]

remix hates shaders

[sly timber]

yeah

also I did have luck with the sun

disabling fallback light does the trick

[paper egret]

how to get cheats and use commands

[sly timber]

woah how did you get light in that area

also neat view for the geometry

[paper egret]

i used a fallback light attached to the player

[sly timber]

nice

[sly timber]

still no luck on the flickering, will try to continue changing the games conf

[paper egret]

r_noportals 1
r_nocull 1
fixes culling

getting more stable all the time

[sly timber]

I should probably start making a batch file to all of this lol

[paper egret]

if you open console and type r_ when press tab you get a full list of commands

source code for the game is here
https://github.com/id-Software/RTCW-SP/blob/master/src/renderer/renderer.vcproj

[sly timber]

we have the source code

side project besides getting the base game more stable is running a d3d9 pipeline

or nvapi

[paper egret]

what these commands do is all in there. just gotta find the right one

[sly timber]

yep

[paper egret]

does it flicker without remix?

[sly timber]

I mean the games lights dont flicker but im sure the geometry does

[paper egret]

nope, it's gotta be the rtx.geometryAssetHashRuleString

[sly timber]

I see

[sly timber]

the thing is it only ever seems to flicker when there is either a sound or you move foward

[paper egret]

the debug colours or the flicking geo?

[sly timber]

flickering geo

[paper egret]

the walking forward debug colours is because when you walk stuff is culling

we gotta stop that

[sly timber]

gotcha

[paper egret]

i get it standing still

[sly timber]

soundscapes play in the background

altho there is some sort of pulse

[paper egret]

pew pew

it's wierd, it's more stable without rtx.geometryAssetHashRuleString

rtx.geometryAssetHashRuleString = positions,indices,texcoords,geometrydescriptor,vertexlayout,vertexshader

is that default @full zinc ?

[wintry hearth]

The geometry asset hash rule string is essentially the set of rules used to convert game geometry to remix geometry. Since you're having an issue with PVS, it's probably recognizing the entire game as a single place once you remove those rules. The downside is your game captures will be next to worthless for mesh replacements.

[paper egret]

only if it batches geo, which is it for sure

but its the same for every bsp game

not useless though. you can still swap textures, bind meshes to the geo. replace whole pieces...you got loads of options

[full zinc]

believe so

yes

[paper egret]

what about rtx.geometryAssetHashRuleString?

[full zinc]

that's what that was

actually no

ugh i hate this it's so confusing lmao

[paper egret]

sorry rtx.geometryGenerationHashRuleString vs rtx.geometryAssetHashRuleString

[full zinc]

rtx.geometryGenerationHashRuleString is positions,indices,texcoords,geometrydescriptor,vertexlayout,vertexshader

rtx.geometryAssetHashRuleString = positions,indices,geometrydescriptor

those are the defaults

[paper egret]

for this flickering
#1229858482530943037 message

[full zinc]

i customized rtx.geometryGenerationHashRuleString in my rtx.conf file to reduce issues

i set it to:

rtx.geometryAssetHashRuleString = positions,geometrydescriptor```

in my testing this greatly reduced visual artifacts

[full zinc]

are you saying removing those tweaks from the conf improved it now?

[paper egret]

just playing around with it, it's getting better

[full zinc]

i don't really have time for projects anymore unfortunately, otherwise i would've been messing with it 😦

i'm glad it's improving

[paper egret]

but i got confused and needed your help again 😛

1.50 on steam though til wednesday

[full zinc]

you can view all rtx.conf settings & defaults here btw: https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/blob/main/RtxOptions.md

[sly timber]

We got culling gone and there isn't anymore framedrop when turning corners

[paper egret]

yea we got some sort of culling based on view that causing this. the flicker stops when you stand still and look at a wall cause nothing coming in or out

you can lock pvs with r_lockpvs and it works but the culling still happens

so its not portals or anything

[sly timber]

Gotcha

could it be solved as simply as the nvidia anti cull or most likely not

[paper egret]

see what i mean? rock solid

no flickering as long as i look at this corner of the map

[full zinc]

the kind of flickering that happens here on objects also happens in barnyard. it'll mess with motion blur among other things

so far unresolved in that game

[paper egret]

the hashes changed when i picked up a gun behind me. maybe its got something to skinned meshes?

they're always moving around

[full zinc]

that could be. unfortunately this is beyond my knowledge now. you seems to know your shit lol

i'll leave you to it. just ping me if anything's needed

[paper egret]

cheers kim

[wintry hearth]

AFAIk, what it would actually take to fix is a custom renderer along the lines of what happened with UE1 where the renderer passes reliable data instead of index soup.

[paper egret]

i think the characters are caching myself

[wintry hearth]

I don't know when I'll get back to Anox but i want to crack this problem one day so I can actually make a mod of my own for that game.

[sly timber]

a direct x 9 port is being worked on for this game as a request to a friend, would that be viable at all

and does that also mean we cant further whats goin on atp

[paper egret]

yea it's this

r_drawentities 0 seems to fix a lot of it

[sly timber]

woah

[paper egret]

so entities are batching

cod2 has smc_enabled and it's off

static mesh caching

cant see that in the list, must be called something else

[sly timber]

its still very sparatic for me on my level

[paper egret]

look away from everything. turn on r_noportal 1, r_nocull 1, r_drawentites 0, r_lockpvs 1

and this is my config files

loads more stable

[sly timber]

yeah lol

[sly timber]

what does smc stand for it might be searchable

[paper egret]

static mesh culling

[sly timber]

no search results lol

[paper egret]

static mesh caching?

its got something to do with entities, everything gets more stable once you cull them

[sly timber]

also no

no public forum post or anything about that

[paper egret]

seta r_cacheshaders "0"
seta r_cache "0"
seta r_cachemodels "0"

still no beter, it's late. i'll try again tomorrow

[sly timber]

Alright, thank you for all you've done today dude, gn

[grand shoal]

I gotta note these down

[sly timber]

[little spruce]

Have you tried messing with alpha blending, I know it makes a ton of difference in OGL games (I know this isn't the case), it makes me lose the menu but the image is much more stable

[sly timber]

Hello beylerbey

I could try that after work

Don't know if it'll do much

[little spruce]

Please don't work

[sly timber]

What

[little spruce]

Stop working and just be rich

[sly timber]

Ah yes

Also look at these

Also @paper egret idk what was done here but there isn't that much flickering in this

Might be Titanium wrapper

[little spruce]

Yes I'm following even though I don't write here, I can confirm alpha blending makes no difference expect it takes away the UI

I don't know how hepful this is but switching the wrapper to QindieGL there is no need to capture shaders in order to have geometry, however it is very broken and the hashes still change

[sly timber]

As of recently qindie seaced functionality for me, all it leaves is the skybox with what appears to be rasturization

[little spruce]

You need to enable world transform

in fuse worldview

[sly timber]

Alr noted

Is there still flickering for that

[paper egret]

I think it's going to be a case of getting the right commands set up myself. The games got loads of options to set. I'm just going through then one at a time

Cod2 was all about turning off the sun and portal fine cull. Fixed so much

Super random as well. The sun? Why

[sly timber]

Most likely due to positioning of light rays

Constantly updating the shaders in game to follow the sun

[paper egret]

I think this is just controlled the sun shape in the sky on the dome

Wolfy has it as well so that's off now too 🙂

[sly timber]

Yea

[paper egret]

So I should also try titaniumgl as well then?

[sly timber]

Worth a try

[paper egret]

back to experiments, it's 100% stable if you no clip and see everything all at once. so it's some form of culling

looking pretty good today

[fresh moat]

wow

[paper egret]

you can see here it's stable right until i touch the portal where the hashes change, then while i'm inside the portal its solid and changes again after i pass through the other side

[fresh moat]

will this trickery wrk on other opengl games like cs 1.6? 🥺

[paper egret]

this is all game based, you need to get the opengl wrapper working

heres the different r_drawentities makes

if i didnt lockpvs at that point the hashes would have changed when that black door opened during the cutscene

da fuq is this shit
language "american"

[fresh moat]

i think it means American english, theres a bit of difference between british and american english in spelling and pronunciation

[paper egret]

seta cg_particleDist "0"
seta r_nocurves "1"
seta r_nocull "1"
seta r_noportals "1"
these are the important ones

[sly timber]

wow

[paper egret]

here we are, as stable as i can get it currently

[sly timber]

@full zinc can you pin this

[sly timber]

and this

maybe

at least the command list is editable

[grand shoal]

My collection grows

[sly timber]

titanium gpu eccalaration = completely stable hash, but lag @paper egret

[paper egret]

i couldnt get it to work at all

[grand shoal]

It would be perfect if the sun light was stable and the skybox didn't clip into the world

oops

Ignore the yap

[sly timber]

just dissable fallback lighting and set world transform, then try to set the sky as skybox

[grand shoal]

Game uses portal sky

[paper egret]

oh lawd every face is seperate, hence the lag

and stability

[sly timber]

yeah lmao

[grand shoal]

Oh yeah we tried that

It works but kills the performance

[sly timber]

moving objs also kill

[paper egret]

thats looking good

[grand shoal]

nooooo

[paper egret]

try the sky thing though, it should lock the sun in the sky

[grand shoal]

The damn skybox keeps leaking into the game world

[grand shoal]

No lights are being detected

[sly timber]

we all gotta love opengl titles yes

[paper egret]

yea thats ok, fallback, always on

[grand shoal]

Yeah but fallback doesn't sit still

Apparently the game rotates the whole world around the camera

So the camera and the debug sun sit still, but the whole map rotates around it

[paper egret]

yea, it will though if you change the fuse world mate

[grand shoal]

Won't render

I would looooove to redo things in that game

[paper egret]

you sure it aint just pointing in some arbitrary position after the switch?

[grand shoal]

no it simply stops rendering

[paper egret]

poop

[sly timber]

qindie is also the same as titanium

seperate hash valuers for everything, but stable

[grand shoal]

post the qindiegl dll

[grand shoal]

Alright well, qindiegl makes the skybox show up

But the light is still not attached to remix

And pieces of the skybox still leak into the main game world

[paper egret]

aint you got a threshold to muck about with to fix that?

[grand shoal]

Doesn't do anything

[full zinc]

i'd be surprised if you can fix this without it being patched on Remix's side

it's been an issue for soooo long in some games

looks great now at least. you could start doing some texture replacements just using the original assets & use emissives (what i've done for Barnyard). unfortunately quite limited though

[grand shoal]

Hmm

Dad

Sad

[paper egret]

limitations! ew no way

the unstable hashes are due to portals, we know this

if you no clip out the map and look back towards everything it's 100% stable

could rebuild the maps from source without portals, that'll fix it

dont forget adam has used this game for reference when sorting out cod2

but now its beddy bye byes

[full zinc]

the issue i've seen from burrito's demonstrations seemingly aren't related

it's more akin to what happens in other games like Barnyard

replacements kinda follow the camera around, instead of staying anchored in place. at least iirc

[paper egret]

Ah right. Wolfy is just unstable when entities are on screen and you walk through a portal

[full zinc]

ya. this is pretty different

[little spruce]

A bit of a tangent but has anyone tried and succeeded with RealRTCW?

[paper egret]

What's real rtcw?

[sly timber]

Not as of yet

[sly timber]

Return to castle wolfenstein

Still opengl I think

[ripe hazel]

Mod for RTCW, i personally hate the new weapon models, they look as thin as a stick figures.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1379630/RealRTCW/

Steam

RealRTCW

In order to launch the mod make sure that Steam version of original Return to Castle Wolfenstein is installedRealRTCW is an overhaul mod for critically acclaimed Wolfenstein classic. It features improved visuals, expanded arsenal, rebalanced gunplay and proper modern systems support!Technical upgrades:Proper widescreen support (iortcw)OpenAL sou...

▶ Play video

The HD textures don't do for me either, it just does not work on low poly objects.

[little spruce]

My hope was that it might solve some of the issues

[ripe hazel]

But yeh, it's OpenGL.

It does add some new visual effects, so perhaps it's worth a try.

[sly timber]

I haven't ever been able to get it to hook

[sly timber]

I will probably try again tho later tonight

Wait that says x64 so ots running on 64 bit api yeah?

[ripe hazel]

Yeah

Just to confirm, the vanilla game.

[sly timber]

So real rtcw is put of the question because there is not 64 support

[paper egret]

Anyone trying out these r_ commands then? Just gotta fix portals and it's stable and perfect

Could even reexport maps after deleting portals in the editor

[paper egret]

There's a portal between the rooms and one laying flat on the stairs at the top of them

In the video I replied to. We're very close and have options

[sly timber]

Idk hiw to use the editor or what portals look like, but if there is an easy way to select all portals and just delete then at once I could try

[paper egret]

Yea you can, they're yellow and have the words portal in red on them I think

Just deleting one between two rooms will be enough to test

Turn off entities (r_drawentities 0) and walk between the rooms where the portal was and presto. Should work

[sly timber]

While I get that are you able to make a full list on what to do to get to this point (to pin and such)

You don't have to tho

[paper egret]

Even better, I uploaded my files didn't i
#1229858482530943037 message

Back up your current one on your desktop or something

These are them, expect the lockpvs one
#1229858482530943037 message

[sly timber]

Right right I forgot lol

[sly timber]

tryna figure out this mapping shit is tough af iont know what im doing

[sly timber]

imma be honest I have no earthly clue here, cant afford or configure jack and realrtcw doesnt have a good map editor

still workin on it tho

[sly timber]

Still issues with reloading+other sounds

[fickle heart]

i wonder if nvidia is experimenting with zink to add rt to opengl games. Last I checked it had 100% support for all opengl versions.

[sly timber]

Zink?

[fickle heart]

It's the equivalent of dxvk but for opengl

[sly timber]

Can you show me this

[little spruce]

https://docs.mesa3d.org/drivers/zink.html

I think it's this

"OpenGL 2.1 is the minimum version Zink can support"

[sly timber]

Minimum

Wolf is 1.4 isn't it

[little spruce]

Yeah, this would solve issues for more modern games but not really most of the ones Remix targets

*potentially, of course

[sly timber]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-gif-18148683

[little spruce]

Isn't there anyone like Elisha who is working on an OpenGL wrapper? I'd be happy to support them too

[sly timber]

Idk ping them and ask, I know someone talker abt it once idk if they did it

[little spruce]

@fading kayak do you know anything about people working on OGL wrappers we can support?

[fickle heart]

https://github.com/pal1000/mesa-dist-win

[fickle heart]

I'm pretty sure the sourceports upped it to ogl2

[sly timber]

Thr minimum is stated to be 2

Most rtx opengl games wouldn't work as they are either 1.1, 1.2 1.4 or 1.7 (on one game I think)

[paper egret]

It's not the sound it's the entities. turn them off and everything will be stable

They're being grouped up somehow. We need that optimization to be turned off and we'll have entities back

[sly timber]

Entities were turned of, went into the area where the scientist resides and more flash every time hiz audio plays

Lemme recreate

[paper egret]

S_mute

Turn off all sound, still flicking

The sound effect plays when bullets fire in that video. Those are new materials that get grouped into the optimisation group and cause it to change all hashes and Flickr again

R_brass 0 would help

[sly timber]

or its equivilent, its unknown command

[paper egret]

Type r_ and press tab to see the whole list

Might be cg_brass

[sly timber]

unknown, looking now

[paper egret]

It's why I had to turn particles lod distance to 0

Each sprite has it's own id and they change size over every frame so you get a new id every frame.

[sly timber]

is that what is causing this weird mass culling effect between portals

[paper egret]

That's a large part of the mesh getting culled two rooms away

The mesh is changing the amount of verts it has. Remix thinks it's a new mesh so gives it a new id

Which is what flicker is

[sly timber]

im also looking for a way to disable particles

[paper egret]

If you get rid of portals nothing disappears. if nothing disappears the id can remain the same and you have a solid game

Cg_particledist 0

Lol yea that video demonstrates it perfectly

Every zap causes id change

[sly timber]

didnt really remove the particles

wait one sec it might be in settings

[paper egret]

Thought it was particle lod as well.

Damn lunch is over, I'll come play after work

It's in that config I uploaded though

[sly timber]

yup

vya later

I gotta work to soon anywho

[fickle heart]

I assume realrtcw supports much higher opengl version

[sly timber]

realrtcw is running on a x64 branch, that doesnt have support for rtx remix

[fickle heart]

ah yes it's 64bit only

although maybe they still support 32bit

[sly timber]

There is no 32 but exe, and the opengl renderer is also 64 bit

Realrtcw most likely won't hook unless there's some 64 support

[fickle heart]

you can build 32bit iortcw

https://github.com/iortcw/iortcw/releases

They even provide binaries

[sly timber]

What's iortcw and how is it different from base rtcw

[fickle heart]

realrtcw is a fork of it

https://github.com/iortcw/iortcw

[sly timber]

Ok so looking into it iortcw is a resolution mod whereas realrtcw is a new port,

[fickle heart]

no no

iortcw is a sourceport which ports fixes from ioquake

to the rtcw source code released many years ago

[sly timber]

Gotcha, and this will better support remix in some way?

[fickle heart]

you could try

the binaries are provided

[sly timber]

@little spruce do you have time to try this? I'm about to boot off for work, if you don't have time that's aight I'll try it at 2 est

[fickle heart]

they must have fixed tons of rendering bugs so perhaps it will work better with the available wrappers

[sly timber]

It would be Hella cool if it had a defined world and view model

[fickle heart]

and potentially somebody more experienced could look into adding some hacks to make it work even better

[sly timber]

Adding some hacks?

[fickle heart]

yea as in make it work better with wrappers and remix

Jedi knight series need to be looked into as well as it's basically the same engine

[little spruce]

I think I had already tried it in the past, I'll see what I can do

[little spruce]

Do I have to build it?

[sly timber]

P think there's also a steam page

[fickle heart]

No

[sly timber]

Or a github

https://github.com/iortcw/iortcw/releases

[fickle heart]

this^

[little spruce]

Ok the base game launches, let me see what happens with Remix

Unsupported OpenGL Version (1.1 Mesa 6.0), OpenGL 1.2 is required

[sly timber]

looking it up online

I don't understand why it would be anything less than gl1.4

[little spruce]

It launches with the normal launcher, I was using the one marked x86

however

[fickle heart]

https://github.com/iortcw/iortcw/blob/master/rend2-readme.md

maybe this can help

[sly timber]

rend2? is that supported by remix

[fickle heart]

worth trying

[sly timber]

there would need to be some kind of wrapper support, right?

[fickle heart]

it's still opengl

just with newer feature set

and more options to customize it

[sly timber]

interesting, trying it out in a sec

doesnt hook @fickle heart

[little spruce]

Looks GREAT

I think it's more broken than the original for Remix, it's missing texture, the UI is unrecoverable for some reason, it doesn't see text (I tried TitaniumGL and QindieGL)

look ma, I remixed Wolfenstein https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg_NgzUwwI0

[sly timber]

Are the hash stable?

[little spruce]

No, same as in the original, they're stable until the camera moves

[sly timber]

Any benefits

[ripe hazel]

Which patch for RTCW are you using?

[little spruce]

I followed the instructions on the IORTCW github

[ripe hazel]

1.42d is the preferred one.

Found here:
https://www.markshan.com/knightmare/downloads.htm

[little spruce]

Thanks but nothing changed for me

[paper egret]

Sorry what's going on here?

Real return to castle Wolfenstein any good for us?

Portals...portals!
A breakdown of what they are and why we hate them
https://youtu.be/IfCRHSIg6zo?si=hLXEb06ypt5cs8L5

[sly timber]

Realrtcw is 64 bit only

[sly timber]

Also the problem with this is there is no good hammer esc editor to just remove them

[fickle heart]

could probably compile 32bit binary

since it's just a modified iortcw after all

[sly timber]

I dont have the means or the knowhow

[fickle heart]

but if iortcw doesn't work well then realrtcw wouldn't either

[sly timber]

do you know of any rtcw/q3 map editors per chance

[sly timber]

nvm we cookin

@paper egret are the diamond things portals?

[paper egret]

Oh nice. No it's the doors ways between rooms

[sly timber]

so the wall that are cut inbetween doorways can be assumed to be portals (idk how to fix this shader not found stuff at all)

wait if i compile with the shaders not found will the map break

[paper egret]

I'm not sure. Can you see any blocking objects in door ways?

[sly timber]

yeah their brushes

id assume them to be portals

[paper egret]

That's the suckers. Nuke em

[sly timber]

fucking hell I need to repack it as a pak3

[sly timber]

it doesnt work fsr and rasterizes the map to fullbright with no rtx hash hook, and i have no time to go deep through this to learn how to do allat, so we need to find a way to disable portals

[paper egret]

If its rasterizing it'd because something marked as UI is in the 3d scene

Unmark all UI mate

[sly timber]

there is no ui

[paper egret]

Don't have to save

It's the only reason it would rasterize

[sly timber]

I have all ui disabled

same map, same shaders but somehow this happens

[paper egret]

Try using my rtx remix config above?

[sly timber]

thats what im using

we probably need someone who proper knows how to do all this map stuff, or some way to remove portals

lemme try one more thing

I have one last idea

[paper egret]

I love ideas

[grand shoal]

Yes hello chat

I'd like one (1) person

To implement remix into heavy metal

Using the api

Ok thx

[full zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gif-21785724

[sly timber]

good old j,a,c,k 1.0

preloaded shaders+rtcw bsp support

[grand shoal]

The game in question (heavy metal)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229858482530943037/1272998540968198266/fakk2__ZpvaX8FFMQ.mp4?ex=66bfa6c7&is=66be5547&hm=dcdf7909869e4a4fc9e0c46f360306f0fc089b87e2fb5aa5e1ffe4ac931dfcb1&

Once again. Mute the yap

[sly timber]

imma be real my headphones stopped working on my pc fsr after listening to this audio last night

[grand shoal]

Lol

[sly timber]

im not kidding either

[grand shoal]

I was with professional yappers

[sly timber]

now all it does is get stuck on connected, audio but never mic

and it never actually connected

[grand shoal]

Lmao

[sly timber]

these two versions look so different itsg

ignore the errors thats just overlap

... i think

https://tenor.com/view/i-may-be-dumb-dumb-moment-gif-25154732

[paper egret]

I'm not sure what's going on but you got this

[sly timber]

oh you know just switching to the first version of the level editor that i showed b4 because it has shader preloading

but idk if its gonna work yet

[paper egret]

Ah I see

Fingers crossed

[sly timber]

ong

yes.... YES......

[paper egret]

Oh neat, we caching now

[sly timber]

obv it doesnt really effect the base game but at least ill be able to see the portal shader

[paper egret]

And nuke it

[sly timber]

yep and nuke it ne mass

en

https://tenor.com/view/nuke-gif-8044239

after the portals are gone we need to fix the caching of the models and entities yeah?

[paper egret]

Yep that's next

Hell that might be stuff walking through portals

[sly timber]

i forgot it preloads all 3.5k textures and shadermodels lol

in j.a.c.k

@paper egretfucking hell its a lost cause here too

[paper egret]

Damn it

Can you make a new map and load that? One room and a prop

[sly timber]

wdym

[paper egret]

Maybe we need a test map to test our portal theory

With only one room you have no portals.

[sly timber]

how are we able to do that, shaders/textures dont work in any hammer tool

cant make a test map without map tools

[paper egret]

Oh I thought it was cause it was decompiled

[sly timber]

no, the map tools wont work

[paper egret]

Got it

We need a coder type to do stuff with the source and take our portal culling I guess

It's all on GitHub ain't it

[sly timber]

we already technically have a coder working on a d3d9 port

or will start

at some time

[paper egret]

Don't need anything that fancy

[sly timber]

its been months and they aint done nothin

[paper egret]

Oh dear

[sly timber]

I dont have any good coder contactrs

[paper egret]

Let's keep trying those commands and see what's what

[sly timber]

yeah

[sly timber]

also we will for down the line, for stuff like a defined camera and world view, and the ability to have actual lighting/ omni support

unless we can get someone to do that opengl side

which again I dont have any good contact

[paper egret]

Defined camera? What's that

[sly timber]

so yknow how the sky moves around?

like the light

[paper egret]

You stabilize the hashes you can do mesh replacement and stick lights to them including sun's and stuff

[sly timber]

yeah but the problem is the world moves around the camera, so all light moves around

which also means no matter how stable the hash we cant add lights to the game

[paper egret]

Yea you can.

You can do it now as long as you don't walk through a portal.

Capture a USD of the opening scene in village1, turn off entities first. And attach a light to the ground plane. One direct light

If the world moves around the player it's all relative ain't it. Your anchor is the mesh that also moves around so it's relatively static

[sly timber]

yeah but omni hates it

because it cant define a camera point for the capture

[paper egret]

Define a who now?

What you see there is the result of an unstable capture

[sly timber]

it cant define a point from where the player stands, the area where the character isnt and where the world is

[paper egret]

That's not a step in the process of making a mod with remix

You can already edit texture and materials as much as you like. Including making stuff emissive

[sly timber]

idk how to explain this right idrk, i was told it would be usefull in the #1240000103285260328 message

#1240000103285260328 message *

i still plan on defining the camera using remix api, it really would be helpfull

but the world moving around the player is causing a lot of problems

like fallback lighting and such

I also have culling disabled in my tweak of the source code so it might be helpfull

[paper egret]

He's talking about render camera not ones in 3d space

I'm 100% sure you stabilize one mesh that can be your anchor for your sun

[sly timber]

ig we will have to see

[paper egret]

No matter how it moves around

I've anchored stuff on animated characters before

Helmets on ww2 soldiers running around. Stabilized parts of a gun and then anchored stuff onto those new stable but totally animated bits. Theyre moving all over the place

Imma just do it in village1

One sec

[sly timber]

ok

[paper egret]

ok so y is up, write that one down 😛

[sly timber]

try capturing from a new view angle

[paper egret]

just gotta switch to y is up, no bother

right, mod made. lets test this baby

damn all new hashes

every time it loads

you can see how portals are chopping it up

[sly timber]

Such a shame

Lol

We will get there tho

Weather or not its b4 the port is all down to time

[paper egret]

dems quiting words

[sly timber]

I ain't quitting

No sir

I haven't gave up in the ought 4 months I've been at this

My motto is a stone may be stuck but if there is a push with means there is a way to get it to roll

[grand shoal]

Yo momma raised no quitter

[paper egret]

i'm not sure what the problem is here, the hash colours are always the same but my replacements arent showing in game

[sly timber]

Like I tolllldddd youuu

There is no definition between the player camera and world geometry

It's fused

Sorry I didn't mean to sound rude there

Holy shit that sounds rude

[paper egret]

hash is hash!

nah its cool 😛

[sly timber]

Hash is hash but the game doesn't know where the light should be because it doesn't know where it is relative to the player

[fading kayak]

No, I am not aware of any OGL wrappers that can convert a game to DX9.

[full zinc]

there are a few already:

• GLDirect (OGL 1.4)
• QindieGL (OGL 1.1)
• TitaniumGL

[fading kayak]

👍

[grand shoal]

In my experience, qindiegl and titanimgl work best with quake3 engine games

Never had gl direct work

[sly timber]

gldirect is the only functional one for this game

tit and qindie used to work

[grand shoal]

I can give gldirect another shot. They're all called opengl32.dll so I get confused

[full zinc]

you can see which one is which in the Details tab in Properties

[grand shoal]

Oh....

[sly timber]

usually the files are singned

[grand shoal]

Hmm

[sly timber]

@paper egret might as well start setting up the d3d9 port of the game myself to see if theres a chance I can make it function well with rtx remix

[paper egret]

wow now we're cooking. @celest pumice has experience in this area stabilizing cod2, not sure if he's down to clown though

[celest pumice]

Disable the polygonal chopping and culling of brush items for stable hashes

[sly timber]

we got culling down, dont know what the chopping is

is it like portals?

we also have weapon and particle caching that is an issue

[celest pumice]

Yea it chops up objects polygonally from the frustum view iirc.

[sly timber]

yeah, weve been tryna figure out how to work j.a.c.k without luck, and the disable portal command doesnt work either

[celest pumice]

Basically, if you go listen to how John Carmack got the doom engine running with BSPs it’ll show all ya all the bits ya need to find and destroy.

[celest pumice]

Weird. It certainly got carried over to to the IWD(?) engine

[sly timber]

id tech 3 q3 arena mix up engine

[celest pumice]

Thought it was q3 / RCTW / IWD?

[sly timber]

q3/rtcw (idtech3)/iwd

it does have a disable portals command, however it does not do as it would

lemme make a video\

[celest pumice]

Is there a way to view portals

[sly timber]

in the hammer/jack

idk about any commands

@paper egret

any ideas

[paper egret]

no i've not seen any debug options like cod2 has

and the free cam doesnt work so you can just dev free cam around to get an idea of how it works either

you can lock pvs but unlike with cod2 its not instantly stable. something still culling

noclipping out the map and looking at everything we get stability and happy little polygons though so fixing culling is going to work I feel 🙂

[sly timber]

do you think its the leg

[paper egret]

the leg?

[sly timber]

the leg

[paper egret]

oh yea thats no good, those enties causing trouble again aint they

[sly timber]

yeah

and thats with pvs locked