SCP: Containment Breach

[blissful pilot]

should be this one, inside the asset replacements

[oak dirge]

ok so they did

[blissful pilot]

again, you'll have to click on a portion of the scene/capture first too

was there another menu that use to exist?

[oak dirge]

I thought there was but I haven't used toolkit in a very long time

and your right moving stuff sucks now

[blissful pilot]

OK the tip

[oak dirge]

ok lights added but game not recognizing the mod yet

[blissful pilot]

theres a colored gizmo for each axis with arrows, you click an arrow to drag it in that axis; (You're probably aware of that part) heres the part that took me forever to figure out, there will usually be a bounding box or something that highlights the object, in the case of the lights its the radius sphere, if the gizmo is inside that sphere; you cant drag it, so youll want to zoom out so its outside that sphere

Make sure in the "rtx-remix/mods/" folder that there's only one folder, for one mod. two breaks it for some reason; also you want to make sure there isnt a folder inside a folder, I had my mod folder named as "scpproj" and then inside that there was another "scpproj" that had the mod files, there should only be one

[oak dirge]

it auto created as a linked folder and it's the only mod folder

[blissful pilot]

also when you save in RTX remix, make sure its saving to the mod.usd present in your game files and not A. another game directory (if you have multiple like me) or B. the project location that doesn't have the game

those are the two things that tripped me up trying to get it working

[oak dirge]

I'm ingesting all my old assets

I upscaled and PBR'd the whole game with PBRify just to see the difference

might try it again with the latest version since it's supposedly way better and faster

[blissful pilot]

I've been doing the same

sometimes, I'll remake the textures from scratch, its what I did for SCP-035 mainly because I wanted it all to be remastered

[blissful pilot]

not with PBRify but

[blissful pilot]

I've mainly been using Topaz's AI tool for upscaling, it's paid but it helps in a ton of places, I find it does faces really really well, even at incredibly low texture resolution like 256x256, Same with concrete, rock, anything organic looking, it struggles with mechanical parts though, armor, metal vents, that kind of thing. Here's a comparison of some of the textures I've done and the more promising examples of this upscaling

Of course, for most things; I still call it tempuary; I am 100% for and willing to remaster these assets, and the upscaling and PBR-ifiying is a tempuary thing for right now at least for me just to make it look nice and as a proof of concept.

[blissful pilot]

Wow. THIS, THIS feeling is exactly what I'm trying to capture in remastering the game, I was just checking out my progress in game and was debating if it looked "good" because it looked too similar to the base game I felt like, So I turned ray-tracing off and I was blown away, seeing the PBR textures for like 20 minutes with the new lighting, I became use to it, and I had completely forgotten just how dated and old the game actually looks with its baked lighting, It FEELS like I'm playing a new game, yet feels the same as the game I grew up with... THAT Is what I'm trying to do with my remastering, I want to make it feel like "oh well its always been that way" and then you realize it hasn't been, I don't want to change the game or the artstyle in the process of that goal; because again, that would make it feel like a different game, or that the game has been ultered

the metal doors from the cells is a perfect example, it feels like I've always seen them dirty and rough like that with this metalic shine. it feels like that's always been in the base game, and yet.. nope, just a low resolution jpg of a texture.

I'm gonna share more progress soon, I'm almost done the intro area in vanilla v.1.3.11 for lighting, so if you have any recommendations lemme know.

[stark lotus]

honestly, the only reason I’d personally prefer to work on UER right now is because it’s a smoother experience. Players won’t want to play a game that crashes 70% of the time. If it was a smoother experience, I’d def be working on it exclusively, but sadly that’s not the case

[blissful pilot]

Thats also CB unfortunately, I've had people suggest to me remaking the game from scratch for that reason. I can't speak for everyone's experience obviously, but I've had a smoother experience with vanilla than UE or UER, both of those crash or I can't get the graphical look that I want with them, .. I'll wait until I finish this video though, it'll kinda show what I mean, even I'm the only one who works on vanilla i'm 100% for it because I love this game and every small piece of progress made with it

as I said earlier too, If I had it my way, I'd love for there to be an RTX release for each version, because the other two seem kickass just for the amount of content and interactions they hold

[stark lotus]

Yeah, that’d be sweet

[stark lotus]

Weird, I’ve had the complete opposite experience with UER, it looks great for me and has never caused be any grief with crashing

[blissful pilot]

Have you given my files a try? I haven't been able to use separate dxvk and bridge versions like you have, but when I use the latest release I find it works best

I've tried it with four completely different devices and had great results with running it, granted 40 series cards

Here's the files if you wanted to try it, Dxwrapper, RTX runtime, and Misc files

Anyhow, It'll be great either way, I'm going to spend the next week or so capturing rooms, I'm getting use to the tools and getting quicker at adding lights and adjusting them

[oak dirge]

I didn't have any luck ingesting my files last night

even though they were ingested it kept telling me they weren't

[blissful pilot]

What kind of file(s) are you ingesting?

[oak dirge]

the 3 pbr dds formats

actually

just realized these aren't even what I want

cause I need to use a python tool so I don't have to manually change all the textures 1 by 1 in toolkit

I'll just regen them from captures as I go as a test
obv we can't have multiple people using different things for textures and clashing

[blissful pilot]

Finding the originals is also key, a lot of the time if you can find the original image online and recreate/remaster it from that, it comes out looking a lot better than a simple upscale, this applies to those really low resolution textures too 128-256 textures

[oak dirge]

is that cause of compression?

[blissful pilot]

I believe the white wall is also 512x512, and being stretched over a larger area than the floor, I’d say that’s another good one to source if we can

[oak dirge]

I was messing with 4k wall textures before from texture libraries

[blissful pilot]

It’s a couple of things, bilinear super sampling, compression, there’s more detail and information in the image for AI tools to work with with larger resolutions, it also makes it look like “AI”y

Of course, some photos you won’t be able to source and will have to create from scratch or use AI, when I was recreating the Cheshire smile from the SCP-895 pics I had to do that

[oak dirge]

do you have any sourced that I can side by side

I wanna see OG file PBRify'd vs source PBRify'd

[blissful pilot]

Surprisingly, I've only sourced other textures besides map ones, I've mainly been doing the stuff that is specific to CB, the most notable ones that one of the other guys found was the misc lighting textures, the albedo was the only one present in the game but they were able to find bump, metallic and emissive maps by sourcing the original creator for it

This is a good example of what AI does when it doesn't have enough data or a low resolution image, this original texture was 216x 216, and it looks.... verry AI generated

for PBR-ifying it shouldn't matter too much as long as the material looks good in the end through trial and error, but getting the base texture looking good is the most important starting point I find; at least for my work flow

This is another good example, I could've very easily just thrown this into AI and called it a day, but I think; and know it'll look 100x better If I recreate it from scratch, so I sourced the original image and that's exactly what I'm going to do.

[oak dirge]

nah seeing that rendered is creepy af

some vulgun video stuff

[blissful pilot]

I'm also going the full effort into this project, including buying real world items such as the Encyclopedia of common diseases and the same key used in the SCP-860 photograph

I already modeled a SCP-035 mask for the game, but I'm also waiting for a porcelain mask of that type to come in as well to see if that yields better results too

[oak dirge]

re ingesting the texture now but it's being really glitchy guess they never fixed that portion of toolkit

I thought they fixed async process a while ago guess not

[blissful pilot]

thats very strange, how many textures are you doing at once?

[oak dirge]

55 I think

17 textures 3 maps each

yeah ingesting as current process works fine

[blissful pilot]

oh christ, yeah I have no idea then, I don't think I've done more than a dozen at a time and that would cause it to slow down so I'm not usre

[oak dirge]

I've done a couple hundred at once on old toolkit

the mod is not correct type replacement, hmm

[blissful pilot]

Yeah thats very odd I never had trouble injesting textures, I do remember i had to copy them over though

[oak dirge]

I have to look back at how to use the script

The file is working and setting the texture paths of the meshes but for somereason remix isn't pulling the textures from said paths

[blissful pilot]

I have the fun task of making ever so minute changes to the lights intensity, radius, and location to look good ingame, for a lot of them I have no idea where the lamp is or how low it hangs from the ceiling

so naturally I have to open RTX Remix, make an adjustment, save, close RTX Remix, open the game up; check out the change, close the game. rinse and repeat, its why I REALLY REALLY wanted RTX remix on my taskbar of all things, and why I think vanilla actually runs really well, in going between the game and program a couple hundred times consecutively, I don't have any crashes in-between.

[oak dirge]

the mod updates live when you save project

unless they broke it

[blissful pilot]

not while the game is open

at least in vanilla

[oak dirge]

that's how it's supposed to work

[blissful pilot]

Yknow what though, ive never actually tried it

Im only going off of what the application says, but ive never tried to

maybe i should

also; this may or may not pose and issue for you guys, but certain objects are culled out when they aren't on camera, Blitz3D has aggressive culling because of the engine's age, so stuff like the ceiling lamps actually disappear if they aren't in the players view, so if you have dynamic shadows using those models those shadows will also go away once that lamp is culled off

not a huge thing, and it doesn't bother me .. yet but it is important to consider

[oak dirge]

ok got to the hallway no lights got added

yup I see that culling now

that's a huge pain for mesh lights

however they don't appear to be affected by the light limit of the game lights

[blissful pilot]

added lights?

[oak dirge]

yes the mesh lights in this case

[blissful pilot]

Ah, I just made a video for ya, but also thank you for the advice here

helped and saved a lot of time

and yes, it does update live ingame

[oak dirge]

I'm basically having to relearn everything which is a pain

[blissful pilot]

its what makes us insane and separates us from others though

its what we do, we relearn programs, relearn tools, use software we've never used before, and its the definition of insanity, but in doing so.. we learn, we become better.

and by the end of it, we create some really cool shiz

Heres the video I cooked up

it shows the culling, the mesh lights i'm working on, and a thank you for your advice, I was able to do basically everything I wanted to do in a couple of minutes easily.

Now the notion of relighting all the rooms doesn't seem so implausible to me; If I put my mind to it I could probably do it in a week or two.

[oak dirge]

also tall rooms are an issue

also for me when mesh culled the light also gets deleted

[blissful pilot]

Oh so it doesn't come back?

oh wait you mean like the light goes away while its out of view

[oak dirge]

yes

not just shadows

[blissful pilot]

I think that depends on what you link them to as well

[oak dirge]

I'm trying to remember how to place jsut a light by itself

instead of a mesh light

[blissful pilot]

I pick something that is always in the scene, I forget what i did here in the intro area but they are all in the same stage lights

Rect or disc lights might also help Im not sure, ive only played around with those for a little bit

[oak dirge]

found it yeah

had to click on a light for the explorer selection to update

[blissful pilot]

ah alrighty

its awesome how quickly we're picking up the tools though

I remember first installing it and not understanding a thing about it, even after watching Nvidias videos and reading their documentation

[oak dirge]

lights by themselves stay put

but some reason they also behave differently property wise

[blissful pilot]

I'm working on all this with Tonsillitis which is a delight

It basically feels like hair in the back of my throat and RedBull is the only remedy

[oak dirge]

now toolkit is being werid

I see the added light
then I unpause the game and it vanishes

it appears to be doing a weird old glitch where it teleports the light out into space

so if you add a light to a game light it forces the you attached it to light to persist

but you can just set the intensity to 0

my question is why is there zero bounce light

ok it's NRC breaking the indirect lighting

okay it just fixed itself

[blissful pilot]

That is very strange

UER too right?

[oak dirge]

yeah, the indirect light breaking is just remix

have to switch to restir and back

looks like if we want any sort of permanent lighting it's all gonna have to be individually done

[blissful pilot]

So kinda like how I’m doing it in Vanilla?

I really wonder if there’s a way to port captures from one to the other, and mod data from one to the other rooms

If there is my work would be useful for all three

[oak dirge]

if they were straight up manually placed I would think so for lights

but hashes are gonna be different for everything else

also certain things are different in ue and uer

like the door controls are a two piece mesh and not just a texture on a rectangle

[blissful pilot]

Well yeah I’m mainly talking about lights, the other stuff isn’t too too hard, once the textures are injested it should be as easy as copying and applying

I’ll play around with that idea though, (porting light data from a capture between versions)

[oak dirge]

textures are more annoying to work with now cause for me they all get turned blank when injested

for diffuse

idk why that's a thing now

[blissful pilot]

Huh, that’s weird I haven’t had that happen

I also wanna try playing around with UER in RTX Remix just to see if the same thing happens to me

[oak dirge]

the indirect light stuff?

I think it might just be a glitch from the mods refreshing when I make changes to lights

[blissful pilot]

What format are they injected from?

Like png or jpg or something else

[blissful pilot]

Oh maybe

[oak dirge]

png

[blissful pilot]

Ah ok same

[oak dirge]

even captrued textures show as blank apparently

sometimes

so as soon as a light leaves frame the NRC indirect lighting breaks

good relight?

[blissful pilot]

What that

[vague spindle]

Upscalled of Vent

with Upscayl software

[blissful pilot]

Also I do have a good example for what we were talking about earlier with that

It’s yours? Or the one I did?

[vague spindle]

Mine

Same software with different AI model

[blissful pilot]

Still looks weird, it’s very very low resolution to start with; the more I look at it though, I think it’s the base texture too, it just looks… fake?

[vague spindle]

https://github.com/upscayl/upscayl

[blissful pilot]

I’ll have to give that a try though

Lemme see if I can find that example I saw earlier though for Kuro

[vague spindle]

Tile floor Orginial, And Right is Upscayl (standard 4x scale),

and this one same software with different model ultramix 4x scale.

[blissful pilot]

That one isn’t too bad, very similar to what Topaz produced, is the tool free too?

[vague spindle]

yes it's on github

[blissful pilot]

Neat

[blissful pilot]

Topaz AI is super interesting to me because it doesn’t traditionally “upscale” images using AI instead it recreates them entirely based off a guess of what it is, it’s why it’s able to do faces really really well

[vague spindle]

Orginial, Upscayl Standard AI model x16 Scaled to 4k.

and here's 16x Scale (4K) ultramix model.

[blissful pilot]

Yikes; those eyes, yeah that’s what a lot of upscalers end up doing with faces and eyes

still, might be really handy for metal textures I imagine

[stark lotus]

this reminds me, here's what i believe is the source image for this metal texture if anyone wants it

3456x2304

[vague spindle]

this is upscaled to 4k

standard AI model.

it's pretty close

cool

[blissful pilot]

That is awesome

[stark lotus]

also two more og textures with their normal and spec maps

[blissful pilot]

If you’re able to find any of the original textures used for the ending screen title I still need to find those

Bloody pain in the arse

[stark lotus]

you mean the blood splatter that you were talking about a little bit ago?

i can try

[blissful pilot]

Yeah these ones, I want to look into older versions of the game, perhaps there’s a banner or something that has more of either texture

[vague spindle]

wondering if these textures but flipped.

[blissful pilot]

Nah I don’t think so, I’ve already compared it several times

This is the high red and high saturated parts of the logo extracted via photoshop

[vague spindle]

not this?

[blissful pilot]

It could be that one, but it would have to be highly edited, blood splotches would have to be moved into different positions, also compared that

[blissful pilot]

I did find the original of this blood splatter though, it was one of the easier ones

[vague spindle]

Tired download Someone's SCP:CB RTX game (with RTX already setup) but wouldn't load but says crashed

[blissful pilot]

Was it mine.?

Also which version of CB

[vague spindle]

Yeah, This one

[blissful pilot]

What kind of error or crash did it give you?

[blissful pilot]

Ah, yeah that happens sometimes, even for me; try running it a few times and see if it starts, if it doesn’t run after like a dozen attempts then it might be a persistent issue, also; which resolution are you running it at? 1080p and 1440p should be safe

[blissful pilot]

Also! Check task manager whenever that happens to make sure the game isn’t running in the background, sometimes if it closes due to an error or crashes; it’ll still be open as “game.exe” in the background, and if that’s the case and you try running it again; you’ll instantly get this error

[vague spindle]

helps

[blissful pilot]

Yeeeee

Good to know the mod and its functionality is on the same page with my tests

[vague spindle]

any update since?

[blissful pilot]

Out of curiosity, what GPU are you running?

[vague spindle]

What's yours?

[blissful pilot]

Haven’t updated it for a bit, but if you want I can send the current version of the mod, once I finish the intro area completely I’ll update the drive link and start working on capturing all the other rooms in the game

[blissful pilot]

I run a 4070 ti on my main work computer; but I also stress test the game on my 4050 on my laptop, and my 4060 inside my fiancés PC if I want to test it on a computer that is the most similar to a “fresh windows install”

[vague spindle]

I run a 4080

[blissful pilot]

Neato! That’s a good card

[vague spindle]

yea

[blissful pilot]

I’m only asking because I’m super curious how the mod works on 20 series cards

Or even 30 series cards

[vague spindle]

I have 2 20-Series card

RTX 2060 and RTX 2070

[blissful pilot]

My brother has a 2070 too, I’m gonna ask him later on to try the mod too, hopefully it’s stable enough to work 🤞

[vague spindle]

lol

there's problem with Remix menu

i can't type anything on to change capture name

[blissful pilot]

That's to be expected

you'll have to change the name of the capture after its been captured

[vague spindle]

ah

[blissful pilot]

just a common issue we've discovered exclusively with this lovely game with its lovely old engine

[vague spindle]

think need to change scale for capture

[blissful pilot]

too small?

[vague spindle]

camera speed is at 0.05

[blissful pilot]

yeah the scene normally captured really really small, like a 10th of what the scale of the meshes are, you can slow down the speed of which you move with the mouse wheel

[vague spindle]

yea

yum

[blissful pilot]

that looks wonky lol are those my textures? lol

[vague spindle]

nah my texture

That's with PBR

Displacement bit wonky (in software) but in Remix it will be smooth

[blissful pilot]

oh ok, I guess both of ours are AI anyhow so they look very simular

This image was used in older versions of CB and is a higher quality version of the white one that exists in the game today

[blissful pilot]

Pause menu background found

[stark lotus]

that's just menuwhite.jpg right?

[blissful pilot]

Yes, there is a catch though, it's been flipped and altered a bit in certain areas, some of the scratches are added in and removed to be just white, I'm guessing the ending screen is something similar and I'm trying it now, still; completely useable for remastering.

Heres a video that shows the differences well

I also did the thing where I separate the red parts using photoshop with some of the other menu backgrounds to get more blood, If it's the same blood splatter it'll hopefully help with the search of that too.

[blissful pilot]

I'm curious if there was a larger image that was used for the menuwhite.jpg that was ultered to be more seamless as it is today, that's kinda what it looks like

Yeah same thing but more noticeable, I'd say its partially found certain parts especially in the center line up perfectly, but there's several scratches that aren't present with just that flipped menuwhite.jpg, I'm curious if he overlayed it with a different orientation, I'm going to play around with that now.

[vague spindle]

hmmm,

[blissful pilot]

I made this to end the night, The red scratches are from the partially lined up texture on the ending screen, the black scratches you see that aren't red aren't found on that texture alignment, so more likely theres another texture or the same texture but rotated differently overlayed ontop.... little hard to see but hopefully that helps show it a bit better.

i'm going to hit the hay though for tonight

[blissful pilot]

Also it loses a lot of detail and texture the original had, it kind of looks like an oil painting after the upscale; Just be careful with overusing AI upscaling, some textures are better if they're remade rather than AI generated or AI upscaled, they end up coming out too blurry or overtly smooth like that one there, the photo also has more detail that can go into it because we have the original Untitled 2004 that can be used to recreate it

thats the way I see it anyhow

Untitled 2004

[vague spindle]

Ultramix model usual keep details

[blissful pilot]

that is a little bit better; but still, the original will always have more detail than any AI model could generate; just something to keep in mind. ~AI in general is a very helpful tool, but its just that, a tool, it does a lot but its not magical, there's still room for improvement and a place where artists can step in and make just that little bit better. It works well right now because it can be used a temporary way to get PBR and 2K resolution textures into the game, but a lot of the textures should still be properly remade later on

With that, I'll talk more in the mornin'

[vague spindle]

*FPS Drop to 30 because i changed DLSS mode to Balanced/Quality

[blissful pilot]

Yeah it depends too, sometimes I’m able to run on quality and other times it just tanks in performance

[vague spindle]

When's the other rooms going have lights work.

or it's need manually add lights

[blissful pilot]

Yeah the lights will manually have to be added for Vanilla, I plan to do all ~97 rooms in the coming week

I’m just finishing up the intro area and getting a standard set up for intensity, radius, and hex color of what type of light it is for consistency, and then I’m just going to relight the rooms systematically one by one

[vague spindle]

don't forget the decals textures set as decal. (blood etc,)

[blissful pilot]

Yeah I wonder if I can make them have effects too, like the blood shiny or something like it’s wet

[vague spindle]

yeah you can

just PBR the texture

[oak dirge]

You like my testing chamber 2b relight? I think that might be good for atmosphere there

[blissful pilot]

do you have a pic i cant remember what it looked like

[oak dirge]

using these lights for in there

I wonder if the spritesheets work for emission
that would be nice for some rooms

[blissful pilot]

Haha looks a lot like the unity, yeah I like the dramatic effect with it, the only thing I'd add for criticism; (this is something I noticed myself while working on the intro area) is having consistency and function to which lights looking like what, like those square dot ceiling lights, they are considered the secondary lighting in the facility, so they're supposed to be dim and the lamps are supposedly primary lighting, they're supposed to be like floresant light bulbs, white; bright. the flood lights would also be bright but probably not the thing that emits the red lighting, I'd probably put that to the square ceiling light thingy to make it look more sensable, I did the exact thing in the intro area after the breach where I put the red lighting on the flood lights in SCP-173's room but then realized "hey wait a minute, these floodlights were white a second ago before the breach, why would they randomly turn red?" and it doesn't make sense for flood lights to be red anyhow, the foundation probably wouldn't have a use for that, the square ceiling lights though represent emergency backup lighting... just make sure to keep in mind what the functionality of lighting builds for the setting and narrative for the game.

[blissful pilot]

and I don't believe so, I tried it early on to see if it could be a cheap way to light stuff

if you're talking about those sprites that appear on lights for lens flare

Ceiling light, and square ceiling light

I don't really have an official name for the latter

sometimes you can play around with it too, for lock rooms or other areas you could probably deviate from normal white light for these guys to make it more red or what have you to make the area look a certain way

for these ones

I believe they're present in lockrooms and that testing room too

[oak dirge]

no the remix animation spritesheets

I've seen it in NFS underground 2 but idk if those were spritesheets since the base game did it

[blissful pilot]

There's also an arguement to be made for artstyle too, but I'll get into that once I make the onboarding video I've been working on, the basis of it is when making design choices just be aware of the game you're making it for, it can be very easy to take inspiration from other titles such as unity or secret lab, but at the same time, CB isn't the unity or secret lab, and some people like the game how it is, and altering it can alienate those groups of fans, its what the portal RTX did taking too much inspiration from Portal 2, again; ill talk more about it in said video

[blissful pilot]

oh I have no idea then, I'm not sure if I've used them persnoally

[oak dirge]

I was thinking maybe we go for like warmer run down emergency lighting like it hasn't had to be used and all the lights are faded

[blissful pilot]

Yeah I had the same idea

make it dim

[oak dirge]

lean more into the og facility grunge

[blissful pilot]

Once I finish the intro area too, I'll have broken down captures and project files to a science, and I'll share how to share progress of certain rooms; that way multiple people can edit and change it as we go, and make ulterations if they have an idea that differs from something someone else did, and then from there we'll just pick whatever looks the beset

[oak dirge]

also I tried another capture last night and this time almost all of the textures were black
I'm kinda stuck there

[blissful pilot]

thats also why I'm systematically naming the captures by their room ID

[blissful pilot]

thats strange, v1.3.11? or UER?

[oak dirge]

UER

I'll test base game rq but for base game I just straight used the game files

[blissful pilot]

check in the remix runtime too, because sometimes windows just doesn't have a preview for the file format

it did that for me too when I injested them, but ingame and in the software it looked fine

[oak dirge]

I was manually opening them + checking in toolkit

all blank

[blissful pilot]

.dds and .pt never have a preview for me for whatever reason

[oak dirge]

the textures work for enhancements and upscaling

but are blank when I open in any programs

[blissful pilot]

which programs?

Huh, maybe something is weird here

because mine do show, and open up; so maybe I was mistaken or thinking of something else

[oak dirge]

windows defaults, paint.net, wcg, any online viewer

I never had this issue before

noooooooooooooooooooo base game is back to taking 50 attempts to launch + lag + duplicate tasks

I only launched it once 😭

ah good it was just the settings not applying

also wow basegame is so much darker than uer

basegame all textures are blank too

let's pray it's a version bug I'll pull the latest commits again

no luck

1.0.0 just crashes right after loading in so no luck there

[blissful pilot]

I can't try it out now, but I think I found the key to finding the second overlay for this screen, the "C" and "P" are the texture I matched up earlier, but the "S" does not, which leads me to believe it probably lines up with that second overlay.

This kinda shows what I'm refering to, Black means that the image perfectly lines up, you'll notice the blue splotches which is the blood which obviously doesn't line up with menuwhite.jpg, but also the white scratches on the "S" of the "SCP"

which implies its another image there, again; likely overlayed

once we find out the orientation of that too, using that same method I should be able to figure out exactly where he blended them if he did in a complex way.

[blissful pilot]

in which section?

using the mod I created, intro area is the only room lit. everything else should be pitch black at the moment

[oak dirge]

there were some random lights still around for some reason

[blissful pilot]

which rooms, is it 1123?

[oak dirge]

in a t junction

and the pizza room 4 way

[blissful pilot]

yep that sounds right

pizza room is likely emissive textures lighting up, and the Tjuction I tried lighting as well as SCP-1123's hallway when i first started

but the placement and stuff is very random

[oak dirge]

there were super bright lights in the corner outside the map on pizza area

[blissful pilot]

oh thats weird

[blissful pilot]

I think you're onto something

[vague spindle]

it's matches

on C and P

[blissful pilot]

oh yea, that's what I said, it just doesn't match on S

which implies either another texture or the same texture overlayed at a different roation

[vague spindle]

but looks matches as rest of them

but no for S

[blissful pilot]

ye

This photo also shows it pretty well, I used the same font in the same location and section of where that "S" would be on menuwhite.jpg that matches up with the rest of the logo, and then contrasted that right beside the "S" we have on the Logo, it's different.

[vague spindle]

https://follywalls.com/en/unique-vertical-strip/zen/fond-texture-grunge-noir-texture-grunge-abstraite-sur-dist-144918557
https://follywalls.com/en/unique-vertical-strip/zen/fond-texture-grunge-noir-texture-grunge-abstraite-sur-dist-144918159

[vague spindle]

you reckon if older verison has different white textures?

[blissful pilot]

It's possible, also that textures does appear to be 10 years old, so it's possible it lines up, I'd just have to check when I can

[oak dirge]

Would be cool to add a scratch/dirt texture down in 939 basement or maybe other areas for more gruesomeness in spots. CB could use more random spots of death and such to sell the whole "a bunch of fucked up shit is roaming around and people are dying" story.

[blissful pilot]

Yeah especially around the hand

One thing I will say, I think the SFX is 🤌

SFX is perfect, and I don’t think it should be changed personally for the RTX remix

Especially because it’s a visual enhancement

[oak dirge]

and we def have the tools over the other mods to add objects and dead people

can someone let me know if this texture is also blank for them?

weirdly when I clicked and dragged to send this I could see the texture while it was in drag and drop mode

[blissful pilot]

I cannot right now because I’m at work, but I have my laptop so when I get on break I could if no one else comes

Does*

[oak dirge]

so weird

[blissful pilot]

Yeah that’s very strange

Does it do that if you do them one by one too?

[oak dirge]

it's only certain ones that suddenly gain a thumbnail when I drag

also even the ones with thumbnails working are blank

at least I can see them after upscaling when they get converted to pngs

they go back to blank after ingest though

[blissful pilot]

weired

does something simular, but also shows a preview on the right

I think I found something out though'

the alpha channel is set to 0 it looks like

so the color data is still there, its just completely transparent in opacity, which would explain why windows shows it as black like that

[blissful pilot]

Couldn’t open it in photoshop though

Just paint.net opened it

Very strange

Which RTX remix version are you working in too?

[vague spindle]

https://www.highmotionsoftware.com/products/imbatch

just convert textures to .TARGA then convert again to .PNG

it's loads.

yeah

it's werid.

[oak dirge]

Latest, a few builds behind, and normal 1.0.0

[blissful pilot]

Ah alright

[oak dirge]

I put in a bug help thread earlier to see

[blissful pilot]

I’m gonna try ingesting the same texture too just to see when I can

[vague spindle]

issue with upscalling texture, texture might be shifted a little bit

also emissive on the ceiling lights.

[blissful pilot]

yeah i'm also in the process of remaking that model by the way

It'll probably have remade textures entirely once I'm done that

[vague spindle]

and another bug is this

[hallow obsidian]

you probably already know this but just incase: if you wanna extend the fog wall so you can see more of the map just change these values in the options.ini file

[blissful pilot]

So, I'm probably not going to contact any on these people unless the oppertunity presents itself, I've already contacted Battleforge and TheVolgun regarding SCP:CB's developement, in which both said they haven't talked to Regalis for many years, but after doing some research many of the textures were actually not done by regalis himself but instead other artists, I've made a short list here from the wiki and credits

Aeldred28 - Textures.
Balzac - Sprites.
Brandon Smith - Various 3D props.
Brokami - Graphics.
Caleb Yu ("Omniary") - Textures, graphics, sound effects, music, writing.
Irontaco - Graphics.
KyoteeWilliams - Graphics.
Orgil Pount ("Destructoid") - Guard/MTF textures. other textures possibly.
Munted - Graphics.
Cridone - Textures, dared question Regalis' font choices.
Turtle Sandwich/Catnipbuddy - Textures and sound effects.
Vladislav Borisevich ("Vane Brain") - Room modeling, graphics.

William Salembien ("InTheNight") - New textures for Class-D and Scientists.

KyoteeWilliams - Several sprites for the HUD.

Haversine - Created the SCP-087 game

I don't recommend trying to contact any of these people.. However, if there comes a time where we need to soruce a texture or image and no matter what we tried we cannot find it, we can narrow the date of the texture down and match that up with what date they started working on the game -This could be a last resort if theres a texture we cannot find

This weekend was incredibly busy and I haven't gotten a chance to make any progress, but I'm starting to get more time on my hands now which is good, I'll continue progress on the Intro area for Vanilla v.1.3.11

[blissful pilot]

https://www.deviantart.com/shadowh3/art/Wall-Texture-73682375

another day another original texture found, this one dates Jan 3, 2008, which is probably the original creator from what i can find

whitewall.jpg

https://www.deviantart.com/thousandhands/art/Metall-pattern-for-webdesigner-79870254

Found possibly the source for metal3.jpg as well, although the devianart page here also says its based off another stock image, I imagine whitewall.jpg will be a simular story.

that one dates Mar 13, 2008

[oak dirge]

Nice

[blissful pilot]

So this may not be the "origin" because it doesn't predate the DeviantArt post I linked which would've linked to the original stock image but has been taken down, but this is a wallpaper I found from the year after Containment breach, and it's so far the largest image to match up with the texture being 2560x1600, and I think its good enough to use for remaking metal3.jpg for the remaster.

https://wall.alphacoders.com/big.php?i=325039

hell, it's possible this wallpaper is just the stock image reposted

correction year after containment breach, 2013.

I'm going out for dinner shortly with my father-in-law, but once I get back I will remaster metal3.jpg

using said found texture

Hard to see, but it does match up when you rotate it.

white.jpg is still a mystery to me, I know there was a clearer texture in older versions of CB, and that texture was used at the top of the stairwell in SCP-087-B, that's about all I know for that one so far.

[blissful pilot]

It's actually really awesome that you found this by the way @stark lotus, because it is also the texture used in loadingback.jpg texture for loading screens

So those textures can also be remastered at this point

There's actually a crap ton of other metal textures that share the same texture.

so that texture find was really helpful

Used for dirtymetal and gears.jpg

[vague spindle]

Oh Battleforge guy who makes SCP mods videos?

[blissful pilot]

Yeah

[vague spindle]

yeah

[vague spindle]

seen my videos in here?

[blissful pilot]

which ones?

[vague spindle]

this

[vague spindle]

and this

[blissful pilot]

oh yeah i checked those out

I thought you meant in regards to battleforge or something lmao

[vague spindle]

yeah

and there's werid bug for displacement heights

[vague spindle]

Which is this one

it's disappear when i remove the displacement height texture

[blissful pilot]

That is very strange, I haven't implemented displacement maps yet into my mod, but I might have the same bug once I do

no idea what causes it

[vague spindle]

@blissful pilot

Couple Upscalled Decals Textures with PBR, (Inculde's Shiny Blood.)

[blissful pilot]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/65332911@N00/253726778/

decal4.png oldest source was found, September 27, 2006; and last night I used that image to remaster the texture

The remastered texture I made from it

it's only 1024x1024, but it'll be better to upscale from than the 256x256 texture, -Unless we find a larger source image

[pure marsh]

Roblox blood decal

[blissful pilot]

Yeah this texture has been reused everywhere

[blissful pilot]

@vague spindle This video isn't just for you, it's for anyone using AI for textures, but it is my official response to the ones you sent as well. -Once again, I'm not trying to be mean in my words, just trying to get the point across

I'd appreciate if you have the time to watch it, and if you take the message into consideration.

[blissful pilot]

Alright I found something pretty BIG, Omniary on Undertow forums use to post pretty frequently regarding things they were adding to SCP:CB as they were developing them, thers 2006 posts in which Omniary attaches something and I'm going to slowly go through them, but as tedious as it is, it yields the clearest most uncompressed versions of these textures (because it comes from the people who made them)

here's some of what I found in a few posts of looking https://undertowgames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4030&p=86896&hilit=original+image#p86896

Incase you can't see it, the original 079 loading screen had text that wasn't readable, and had motion blur and the 860 loading screen had a texture overlayed on it

[blissful pilot]

https://undertowgames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3534 the image used for 372's object class sign found as well as a clearer version of that loading screen as well

I found the original of SCP-860-1's eyes as well in the previous forum mentioned

[blissful pilot]

https://undertowgames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1766&p=60325#p60325

Early 513-1 textures, not super helpful but it may come in handy

[blissful pilot]

Alright, wasn't expecting to find this image this soon, but I found the original image/photograph for the larry photo in entrance, it's taken by a Lewis H. Hine in 1924, I havent been able to find the full resolution image but there was a cutout of him for the document the photograph was taken for, it's still good to have for remastering.

https://carlwhetham.photo.blog/2016/12/10/lewis-hine/, https://archive.org/details/popularsciencemo88newyuoft/page/83/mode/1up SRCS

its for larry.jpg by the way

[stark lotus]

goddamn i just got back from the orthodontist that's awesome as hell

ive never seen the original larry picture before

[blissful pilot]

Me neither

I knew the story behind the name radical Larry; but never saw the photo

I’ve only went through the undertow forums for Omniary, but there’s many other developers that were active on the forums that I want to go through to find more stuff potentially, I’m gonna take a look tomorrow on that

[stark lotus]

did you go through all of Omniary's posts?

[blissful pilot]

Checked every single one

If there were photos that weren’t posted or documented on this discord chat; it’s only because they were missing from the archived posts

[stark lotus]

im cooked

[blissful pilot]

That’s also partly why I post it here too, documentation. It’s neat; and I don’t think anyone has thoroughly went through SCP:CB’s history like this

[blissful pilot]

Yeah you can’t create an account anymore for whatever reason

[stark lotus]

yeah i was gonna go through and try to archive whatever is left

[blissful pilot]

I use to have one, but I forget the credentials

[stark lotus]

gonna have to really put my brain to 100% power trying to remember an account that i might've created 10 years ago lmao

[blissful pilot]

If I could find someone who does have one, searching would be much easier

[blissful pilot]

Yeah sameee lol

Also found the blood texture as well, remastered that as well.

I think that’s about all you missed, oh yeah! That metal image you found is also used for many textures including gears.jpg both dirtymetal.jpg textures and the loading screen back

So those should also be able to be remastered

[stark lotus]

hell yeah

[blissful pilot]

As well as metal3.jpg because I found the largest image of that too

Lot of good progress this week so far

[stark lotus]

we should make a google sheets or something for source/uncompressed textures that have been found

[blissful pilot]

I’m putting it on this discord chat, and sending it to a friend who I’ve been documenting my findings (over the many years to) so they’re both there

But yeah that would also be a good idea

[stark lotus]

how did you search Omniary's posts without an account?

[blissful pilot]

..I’m not too sure, it was allowing me to look through the posts where Omniary replied to, but not Regalis or anyone else I tried

It’s weird

[stark lotus]

hmm, alright ill see if i find any way to seach their posts still, right now im using google and just typing site:undertowgames.com/forum "Omniary" but it isn't very reliable

[blissful pilot]

I think That was another thing I did, it sometimes helps I would look for “undertow forums omniary” and it would occasionally come up with stuff

You can also search through the forums with keywords in the search bar, but that yielded me less results than Google

Either way, I’m glad I thought of the undertow forums, because it’s a goldmine. There’s a chance there’s all kinds of developer content and textures and such on there; I’m sure of it

I originally went there looking for the filter they put in object class signs, Omniary referred to it as the “grunge filter” but that’s all I could find on that specifically

[vague spindle]

Fair

[stark lotus]

huh, wonder if everyone was kicked out of their accounts or something? this is at the bottom of the undertow website forums page

[blissful pilot]

Strange…

I’d definitely love to figure out, Volgun did say it use to be a lot easier to contact the developers but not anymore, maybe that’s why? I’m not sure

[vague spindle]

Any idea what tool if we wanted to upscale or something?

For PBR i often use Substance 3D Sampler

[vague spindle]

Uh

They're closing the forums

So i guess that's why there's no registered user are on

[vague spindle]

@blissful pilot Not Upscalled but YOUR resmastered Blood Texture, just PBR created with Substance

[stark lotus]

that makes more sense, thanks. I just wish they made it so that you could still browse profiles and stuff without an account

[blissful pilot]

Neat, I’ll take a look once I’m on my computer

And oh yeah

https://undertowgames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&p=126537#p126537

This settles it

They closed the forums in 2024

[blissful pilot]

Still, if there’s a will, there’s a way.

[stark lotus]

im not sure if it should be so metallic, but it looks great otherwise

[blissful pilot]

I concur, I really want to throw it into remix to try it out

But yea, significantly better looking with a higher quality base texture to start with

[vague spindle]

may end up different result

[vague spindle]

and here's the alternative one

[oak dirge]

Alternate looks a lot better.

[blissful pilot]

Took a look at Undertow forums's discord chat, unfortunately it doesn't look like any developers were active on it, but there was one person who found something that is clearer than the chaos.jpg loading screen

I couldn't find anything else on that discord unfortunately 😦

Ah ha!

I found out how I searched for Omniary's posts

When looking at a post, under the person who replied to it there's a section for Posts: #### and if you click that number, it automatically does an advanced search for only posts where that person replied to.

now that I do that, I'm going to do the other developers and texture artists of the game, hopefully I find stuff.

[blissful pilot]

OOH I found a goodie!

[fading fractal]

lol sorry. caught our spam filter

[blissful pilot]

is .psd allowed?

[fading fractal]

For one, I found a blank version of the document used for custom documents, it was provided by regalis but he also provided a link to a download to the photoshop file he used for SCP-173's document, the download link was down, However! the Wayback machine had a capture.

[fading fractal]

that wasn't the problem. try to avoid masking such large portions of text. there are certain characters that'll get stuck in the filter that catches the fake link scams

just one or two words at most

[blissful pilot]

ahhhh alright

last thing I was going to say is with that .psd file I was able to extract the paper texture, I'm going to do a reverse image search later on, it was posted by Regalis himself; its basically a project file for SCP-173's document, which is HUGE

[blissful pilot]

Guys, I found it.

@stark lotus have to mention you dude, this is HUGE

PSD files for all these, they have layers and are named

we can now deconstruct all these textures using these .PSDs and remaster them.

This also means I found the grunge texture I was looking for for label173.jpg and all of the others, but it also means I found much much much more.

[vague spindle]

Okay I need grab the PSD.

Haven’t heard of feedback of the blood texture.

[blissful pilot]

Yeah the alternative one looked aight, I still want to light that room in my RTX remix mod and see the PBR materials you made there, the hallway looks very dark, I'm assuming its lit using emissives thats why

but from the video you sent, yea it looks good

less metallic than the other one which is nice

Alright, I've compiled a video that doesn't show all the PSD files, but the highlights of what I saw, we have the project file for 513 914panel pocket dimension textures, including floor, wall, and sky, object class labels banners, old and new including the scan lines, blood we were looking for, and the scratch texture, 106victim 035victim snav, menu, the signs, early SCP-173 textures, officewall, the skybox for the mountains; and so so so much more.

Here is the .rar file of the PSDs, now it goes without saying, this isn't All textures we need, it's a good 80% of them, and even then the resolution is still 512x512 on average and 1024x1024 at most, so we'll still need to extract a texture from the .psd, reverse image search and look for that original image online and find a higher resolution image, then using the .PSD, reconstruct the texture at a higher resolution; the process should be much easier and streamlined with the .psd files, less guess work. but there's still a lot of work to be done finding textures.

PDScreen appears to be corrupt, and won't extract out of the .rar, keep that in mind as well.

[blissful pilot]

Found a higher quality image of papertexture.jpg SRC

[oak dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-nut-gif-25030190

this is actually crazy finding the psd's

[blissful pilot]

Yeah no kidding, biggest find so far

[blissful pilot]

I found the original image of pic5.jpg pjface.jpg and old 513-1 its a wallpaper that dates 2010 SRC

Got it 7600x4320, looks like it's legit resolution, and the date of the posting is 2010, should be good enough to use for those textures.

I'm going to create a new GFX folder that'll be empty and it'll be filled with remastered textures and their .psd file as I work on them, and then systematically go through and remaster all the textures; that's kinda my plan

I think we're aiming to remaster them to 2k right?

I don't think there's much purpose going to 4K

[oak dirge]

8k

[blissful pilot]

can RTX Remix handle 8K?

[oak dirge]

yes but rip vram

[blissful pilot]

huh

[oak dirge]

I'd say 2k for the majority but maybe 4k for the big textures like walls and floor?

[blissful pilot]

well regardless, when remastering I'll keep three things in mind 1. how big the texture was originally, like larry.jpg is a tiny photograph smaller than SCP-1123, If it cannot be made into 8k because of it being photographed in 1924, it's not the end of the world, it'll look good. which goes into 2. how big the texture is rendered in game, the vent texture is a great example here, a texture TOO small for a larger object, and 3. how big the source images are, if its smaller, it means AI is the only way to get larger, and that can be good; or bad depending on the results

[blissful pilot]

and yeah I concur to that

[blissful pilot]

This is generally my rule of thumb in game design period

[oak dirge]

sad remix crashes everytime I launch my project now

guess third launch fixed it

[blissful pilot]

Yeah I really want to get back to lighting rooms when I can

this has been the biggest distraction from that, albeit a fruitful one

[oak dirge]

I hate overriding the lights in uer cause even stuff like the random light flickering works

first time seeing 205 that's wack

why does it do that

[blissful pilot]

what does it do

[oak dirge]

just covers the whole screen with a texture

[blissful pilot]

and yeah I already know 205 is probably broke without knowing what it does

[blissful pilot]

like the players screen? or the wall?

[oak dirge]

the whole screen

[blissful pilot]

OOOOOOH

i know exactly why

it must be the same issue as the CCTV monitors, I'm pretty sure they use render target to render orthographic shadows of the demons

is it flickering?

[oak dirge]

no

[blissful pilot]

strangee I'm gonna have to check it out in v1.3.11 when I get the chance

[oak dirge]

the 205 animation is playing as normal

remix sees it as a render target

[blissful pilot]

yea

[stark lotus]

holy holy holy moly

i remember there being a PSD for the document texture, but i didn't know there were so many

[blissful pilot]

Yeah all came from Vain Brain

hes the one who released them

[stark lotus]

Might've found the source for one of the layers used in mossrock.jpeg

this "window" specifically seems about right

the original work is Untitled - The Conservatory by Zdzislaw Beksinski

[blissful pilot]

Already on the roll! that is awesome

I'll check to make sure, I have a good way of doing that

[stark lotus]

this is another layer used in the texture, but idk where it comes from. seems like it could come from another one of Zdzislaw Beksinski's paintings with a filter over it

[blissful pilot]

And yeah is a match, but unfortunately it's one of the two layers that I don't think were used

still interesting trivial facts about the work, and thus is going into the documentation of sources

[stark lotus]

it's in Layer 2 Copy 2

[blissful pilot]

OH it is

my bad, then thats awesome

i thought it was only in the layer below it

[stark lotus]

i also couldn't find the mossy brick texture that is on the background layer

[blissful pilot]

Yeah this is going to make the pocket dimension textures look 100% better than just a regular AI upscale (sourcing these textures that is)

[stark lotus]

finding a high enough res scan of the art could be difficult

[blissful pilot]

Biggest I found so far, looks off though SRC

This is the largest I could find pre 2016 - 2739x1712

of course the texture is only a small part of it, but AI could probably do a better job with this than the texture in PSD, maybe

[stark lotus]

i feel like this is the one they used for the game texture

[blissful pilot]

Most likely

[stark lotus]

the noise patterns seem to match

[blissful pilot]

keeping in mind that they originially used a completely different texture than this moss in early versions of the game; so this makes sense

[stark lotus]

ill keep looking for sources in a few hours

there is one i found, the base texture for this concrete texture. Deviantart, yet again

https://www.deviantart.com/agf81/art/Wall-Texture-2-Tileable-160261227

[blissful pilot]

Neato

[blissful pilot]

Ugh

that was the biggest pain in the arse

but its done

made the metal texture we found seamless to match the texture in game

The texture in game down below

had to make a change to make it seamless, forgot to check; but this is good, here it is.

so now the other textures should be pretty easy to make 2K from that, still need to find that gears image though

Here's another, I have finished remastering larry.jpg to the best of my abilities, I think 2048x2048 is the highest we can go with this one using the source material, even with the clipping from the article, and AI, this is the best I could make it without losing quality or looking weird

This is the clipart by comparision too

And a comparison of the original texture of larry.jpg with my remastered 2K texture

literally the difference between 128 pixels, and 2048; amazing.

Comparision video if you'd like too

[stark lotus]

btw this is mixed into this texture somewhere along the way

the pocket dimension floor is just a mix of that texture, the facility tile floors, mossrock.jpeg and some handpainted runes and red stuff

[blissful pilot]

OOOH I see it

the texture mentioned

[stark lotus]

also good work on the metal lol i was lazy when I did it a few months ago and just used some random texture seamless tool

btw here's the blood texture layer used on the title screen if anyone wants to try finding that

[blissful pilot]

Yeah still trying to find that, like we have those assets, but even with the snippits and reverse image searches I havent found the original

[stark lotus]

it seems to be used on every single one of the menu screens as far as I can tell, maybe u could stitch them all together

here's all the variations i found in the .psd s if you wanna try that

[blissful pilot]

I'll probably give that a try

I couldn't resist, I had to try and see the remastered larry.jpg ingame, here's some footage of that; also, lemme know how well I did with relighting the head office in RTX remix, very basic, but it does the job for now

[stark lotus]

actually I think this blood was used on Gonzales Jim too

version with transparency removed

[vague spindle]

Hmm

Just what i excepted

The Skull Texture and model is actually coming from Half-Life 2.

[vague spindle]

Also it does lacks the Endscreen

[blissful pilot]

Unfortunately, but it has enough that I should be able to recreate the endscreen given enough time

[blissful pilot]

Also that is good for us for because we might be able to take Half Life 2’s RTX skull texture and use it, although I’ve already started the process of modelling the skull for the game

Also, I haven’t actually looked, but I did read a forum on Undertow Games that said they got the MTF textures from Counterstrike and then edited the colors

So we should be able to source that material as well if we want to

[blissful pilot]

Haha neat

[blissful pilot]

Huh.

I'm not sure how I missed this prior, but the Chaos Insurgency loading screen image, is a mashup of Resident Evil 4 Action figures

SRC

https://tenor.com/view/joker-that-actually-is-pretty-funny-gif-24359405

Alright, now this is cool

found out where the class D model and texture comes from

probably also the base animations

and looks like the hazmat suit too

SRC

It comes from a FPS Creator Model Pack #4 dating 2006

[oak dirge]

Interesting

This is gonna need a documentary

[blissful pilot]

I was actually tempted to put updates on my youtube channel regarding it,

actually, fun fact; I suggested the idea of documenting the image and sound sources from CB on my channel before, I abandoned that idea in the past, but in one of my updates I show a song/remix of a foggy day called Nobody Plays by The Othermen, that remix is the one used in the second trailer for the game, and after making that video, the song is nearly impossible to find online.

it's one of the reasons I'm very happy to learn of these image sources and really want to document it all, with my editing; it might not be a bad idea

There may be a point in time where these files are impossible to find online, the 173label.psd was originally posted on Undertow forums by Vain Brain, and the download link for that is gone now, the only reason we were able to get the PSDs were because of a single person who posted them that they got from Vain Brain on the Discord of Undertow

So documentation is a really good idea.

Correction! its impossible to find on Youtube, but it can still be played on a few places

https://soundcloud.com/sayori-647163130/nobody-plays-feat-blindcard

still, I was surprised when I went looking for it this year and had trouble finding it; even though I knew what song it was.

[blissful pilot]

Alright, this took longer than I wanted it to, but incase we never find the chaos insurgency logo, I've recreated the Chaos Insurgency logo to the best I could, it was using the same logo Destructoid said Regalis used; I just shifted parts around and did lots of editing to make it look somewhat the same, hard to tell with the blur, but it's there if we need it

These are the some of the Really important textures I want to source, these textures are used all over the game and would be the most important to find;

Until we do though, I'm going to work on lighting rooms some more and getting project files sorted out; make an easier way to share progress in RTX remix

[blissful pilot]

LETS Gooooo

I started using my brain

the layers in the PSDs are smart objects, meaning the full image; whatever was loaded in should be the same as it was, and you can see beyond just the canvas bounds of the file

[stark lotus]

oh hell yea

also i already found this texture and sent the orignal .tga textures here a few days ago

or atleast the base of it

[blissful pilot]

with that in mind, I expanded the blood texture's regions in header2.psd and this is the most we've seen of it so far

At least, assuming its the same one as the end screen

im going to check now

[stark lotus]

W

[blissful pilot]

oh hell yeah, what is it?

unless i missed it in chat

[stark lotus]

these 3 files

diffuse, normal and specular

it's from this dude named Philip K, i think he worked on IdTech games but im not sure, they're from a texture set he released called "PK02"

Also, when I remade the misc.jpeg texture, all of the textures from that were sourced from PK01 by the same guy

there's also this one which is used in SCP:CB as well, also from PK02

[blissful pilot]

IT is infact a match

theres parts that were erased in the ending screen, but otherwise it lines up flawlessly

so now I'm going to search for that image online

That's not a good sign lol

[stark lotus]

yandex had results but they didn't look much like it

[blissful pilot]

usually google reverse image searches at least show something that looks simular, like wine spilt

google gave up INSTANTLY

which I've only had happen very few times

[blissful pilot]

Ugh, I'm appearently reaching the limits of my knowledge of photoshop

so, I had the thought of "what if a larger version of the image is still present in the PSD and it's just scaled down for the header?" but I have no idea how A. orient or rotate it exactly the way it was imported, or B. reset that image from that layer to it's original imported size/resolution,

I guestimated to test my theory, and it does look like there's more detail than the one I sent here earlier, I went to an outrageous resolution size just to make sure I get as much quality as possible from it and to maintain quality when manually rotating it.

So this version of the blood in theory carries more detail

[blissful pilot]

I wish I had a better way of doing that though, any attempts googling it results in "how to save an image" tutorials so

[blissful pilot]

Alright!

i figured something out

Just as I expected

It's layered

[stark lotus]

darn

[blissful pilot]

I'm curious if we can use samples of it like I did there and find a texture that has the same unique shape, maybe

or, unless there's another photoshop file that has the same texture but only one instead of it layered

uh what

I'm not sure if this is actual gore, it doesn't look like it but; this is what is used for the corpse texture for the bloody head

so many weird discoveries with these textures, its both fascinating and bizarre

[vague spindle]

I have the game tho

I meant used to

To be honest

It might be still in steam under different name

[blissful pilot]

Oh maybe, I doubt it'll give us higher resolution textures though which is sad, the medbay 008 zombie would be useful inside that pack though

also! i made another discovery

this is one I was hoping to find earlier but didn't

In the launcher PSD, there exists a portion, but a portion nonetheless, of the unaltered image used for menuwhite.jpg and all the other grunge texturing on the UI and logos in the game

The ones we have/had before were altered to be seamless, and you can tell because parts and patterns repeat

this one doesn't match up with that past a point

[vague spindle]

still\

https://store.steampowered.com/app/496580/GameGuru__Expansion_Pack/

Steam

GameGuru - Expansion Pack

NOTE: Given the size of this free DLC, and the potential broadband cost to some users, we have not ticked the DLC for auto-download by default. You can tick the DLC and resume the download by going to your Library > Software > GameGuru main page, then ticking the 'GameGuru - Expansion Pack' in the DLC section.

This Expansion Pack expands your…

there is it

[blissful pilot]

Oh neat you werent kidding

Ill download that and take a look in a sec

[blissful pilot]

because yeah that 008 zombie texture would be useful as a base

[vague spindle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stark lotus]

does it also have the lady who runs through the tesla gate?

[blissful pilot]

I think i see her yeah

next to the orange steps

so yeah that model pack was also a good find it seems

[vague spindle]

https://store.steampowered.com/dlc/266310/

waiting for dlc finish download

yeah seem i got it from 2015

when they changed their name

[blissful pilot]

omg I'm actually getting so close

i found more

The full layer from pausemenu and menu respectively, it looks like the original image as well except mirrored

[vague spindle]

so uh

Pretty sure the Skull SCP used a reskin verison of a officer

[blissful pilot]

wow so that has everything

[vague spindle]

extact same

[blissful pilot]

Its good too, because we have both the surgeon and that, and we can use the surgeon texture to make a higher quality texture for it

wow interesting

[vague spindle]

and texture is set 1024

[blissful pilot]

I turned up the opacity on the one and this is the most of the original image we have so far

although, now that i'm looking at it, this one also looks partly mirrored

[vague spindle]

oh

found more new discovery

this is scienest2.jpg

[blissful pilot]

ye

we have the PSD file for him too

[vague spindle]

this is the secuirty guard texture from the expansion pack for creator game.

[blissful pilot]

OH DAMNN

Ok now THAT is an awesome find

its a higher resolution of his face too

[vague spindle]

might have modified their face

btw

[blissful pilot]

looks a bit different to me, but I have no idea

[vague spindle]

it's probably reskinned model

[blissful pilot]

Yeah I can tell

[vague spindle]

hold up

[blissful pilot]

its funny too, because I found out where the Nazi dialogue comes from earlier today as well, so if we can find out where that pamphlet comes from, we would have found everything related to the SCP-1123 event

[vague spindle]

here

[blissful pilot]

Janitors face is there too

[blissful pilot]

the other guy with the tie, far right

[vague spindle]

Nazi - Police officer from creator game

[blissful pilot]

I think it is anyhow

[vague spindle]

"clerk_d1" from scp:cb and "clerk_d2" from expansion pack.

[blissful pilot]

it looks verrry simular, might just be an edited version of that

[blissful pilot]

I HAVE FOUND IT

FINALLY

Dated 2008, it comes from a photographer who uploaded it for CC0 use on Wikipedia of all places,

It's a rust texture, that's what they used

The largest they have is 1936 x 1288

menuwhite.jpg, as well all of the backgrounds and such used for the white texture in all UI textures has been found!

I could not be happier

this is one of the two I've been looking for from the start

the other one being this POS:

which I still have not found

[vague spindle]

It's same texture used in SCP-087-B

SCP-087-B/GFX/white.jpg

[blissful pilot]

yeah I knew that, its probably one of the oldest textures regalis had on hand which is also why its hard to find

same with the Cheshire smile

comes from SCP-087-B, and that smile comes from smile.jpg from smile dog

I even asked the creator Michael Lutz if he would reveal the assets he used, but he never got back to me

anyhow, yeah that white texture would be amazing to find

I hate to say it too, but even if we find every other texture in the game and its source image; there is one will likely will never find, If we do, It'll be the holy grail

that man.jpg

[vague spindle]

yea

[blissful pilot]

There is some info about it though

assuming no one changed the info on the original, which I'd say is likely that they didn't given the year it was first used, this image is from 2004

[vague spindle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SCP/comments/egib1h/whats_the_source_of_the_original_scp_106_image/

[blissful pilot]

Its most likely a painting honestly I think that for only one reason

I have found aluminum paintings that have similar structure and looks to them also dating from 2003-2006

[blissful pilot]

Yeah using the same opacity trick as I used for the rust texture, this is the most I can get out of the SCP-970 Corpse head image

once again, it does appear its a larger resolution in that photoshop file, but I have no clue how to extract images/assets used in a PSD effectively

[stark lotus]

it’s probably a Halloween prop

[blissful pilot]

wasn't able to find anything with reverse image searches unfortunately

[stark lotus]

Also yeah, I think that’s a safe assumption because it could be the reason as to why his arm looks like that, the artist just might’ve not finished that arm yet or something

Also the bottom right kind of looks unfinished

[blissful pilot]

As I said, finding that is called the holy grail for a reason, it isn't even considered lost media, because lost media actually requires two known examples or instances of it, and we only have one. Dr. Gears on the SCP Wiki

[vague spindle]

could be a movie prop

btw

[blissful pilot]

I imagine pic4.jpg is also from a movie

Found the bottom metal texture for the officewall.jpg It comes from a texture art website, dated 2005 SRC

The radio is an actual radio it's the "PRC6809V VHF COMBAT NET RADIO" SRC And I gotta try really hard not to buy it

Found the texture for all these signs

it's possible its used in more places

SRC

[blissful pilot]

the navigator is from a Recon Pocket PC data collector, once again; I have to try not to buy it.

HAHAHAHA

The face of Gonzales Jim is an actor; named Andrew Tribolini SRC

Found the originial SCP-1123 Nazi leaflet, it's an actual flyer from 1941 known as the EH.498 requesting the german population to stand up against Hitler's regime. SRC

[stark lotus]

holy MOLY you've been working hard

[blissful pilot]

Yeah just finished, I went through each PSD to sift out the really obvious or easy finds

those were about it, there are a few more I could find If I spent time looking, but I'll do it another time, like the control panel has Doom 3 textures in it

[stark lotus]

i've been playing scp:cb on and off ever since my brother introduced me to it back in 2013, so seeing these textures is like looking at it naked lmao

big props to you as well

[blissful pilot]

I've known SCP about as long as I've known Markiplier, like really early back in the day, It was probably the second horror game I've been introduced to, and is definitely my favorite by far

this has ultimately been a life long goal/job for me, I never thought I'd get this far this year, but I'm glad I have

I really think I should start a series documenting our findings on YouTube, as well as have a google drive with it all

[blissful pilot]

Also, the reason I was tempted to buy these (I probably will if I can,) is because If I get my hands on them I can photoscan them and in the Navigators case, stretch that scan to fit the game's and then we'd have perfect high quality models for both

It's what I've been doing for 1025, 035's mask, 860's blue key, 1499, and SCP-049's mask

so I might as well keep going along with it

[stark lotus]

honeslty i really wanna find the 106 image source

[blissful pilot]

same

[stark lotus]

i think the painting theory is pretty solid because these look like brush strokes to me

[blissful pilot]

If it's a painting too, it would explain why it's been so hard to find

I'd love nothing more than to see the day that image is found

[stark lotus]

i fear there's the possibility that it was taken by Dr Gears themselves, and that there could be no other photos of the work online

[blissful pilot]

That would be so weird if thats the case, it would mean he lied about it too

[stark lotus]

the earliest occurrence of it that im aware of is the SCP wiki itself, where Dr Gears uploaded the photo on the 8th of April, 2010

[blissful pilot]

he went on record and said he found it on a creepyphotos thread on 4chan, and never questioned where it came from until years later when he couldn't find it anymore. if my memory serves me right

[stark lotus]

uh oh

[blissful pilot]

although, I should take a look and see if I can get a quote of him saying that, I remember seeing it though

[stark lotus]

time to scour through 4chan archives like what they did for the backrooms photo lmao

[blissful pilot]

thats the funniest part, if hardcore lost media finders tried, they could probably find it

[blissful pilot]

I've tried opening up a post on the lost media subreddit, but it got rejected instantly for this reason;

[stark lotus]

technically? it's not lost media, but we just don't know where exactly it came from. there's some sort of line between lost media and lost source so to speak

i think lost media would imply that there's no way to currently view it, which is false in this case

we do have a date on the image tho

[blissful pilot]

yea, or if it did exist in real life and we had pictures, but we didn't know where

[blissful pilot]

indeed, we also have two names for it

[stark lotus]

there's also another date for photoshop?

[blissful pilot]

that man.jpg and S2500227.JPG

yep

wonder what he macintosh portion of that means though

[stark lotus]

they were probably editing it on a mac or something id assume

[blissful pilot]

could've also been cropped or adjusted in photoshop too

[stark lotus]

true

[blissful pilot]

or perhaps it was a painting, and then had something photoshopped over top

[stark lotus]

im gonna assume the original image size was 1200x1600 judging by other photos taken with the same camera on flickr but i could be wrong

[blissful pilot]

ratio would match up

so you might be on point

It was taken in 2004 but modified in 2006

[stark lotus]

i suppose that narrows the range from 2006-2010

[blissful pilot]

according to the metadata of the image

looks like about an estimated 80% of it lines up with expected jpg compression

Here is the generated ELA of the image

The parts that stand out, the line, the vest are the parts most likely digitally modified, to my understanding

it was first sent through fotoforesics site in 2013

still, it's interesting we were able to figure out this much

[blissful pilot]

Alright, So I was wrong, with the ELA a image that is closer to black would be the original, and the more noise and high contrast pieces you have is where its likely been modified

I've looked at a few examples of ELAs used in the backrooms image search, and from what I saw

[blissful pilot]

This ELA likely means two things, 1. the line possibly wasn't there, it could be because it's a harsh line, but because it stands out its also possible it was added in, and 2. the image was either reuploaded once before hand, adding more jpg errors than expected, OR; and I think this is more likely given the theory we came to last night, it was resized

[blissful pilot]

because resizing an image completely changes the ELA and makes it look a lot like this, there isn't too much noise and such for it to be a photoshop, but its not the original either.

It goes without saying I am no expert on this, apparently I was wrong there too, with older cameras such as the one that was probably used here, it's a little bit different and our photo is actually closer to matching up with an original than a resized, a resized would be darker and blockier in the encoding artifacts

A visual representation is here

ours looks a lot closer to the first, and would've been taken during a similar time as the backrooms photo

[blissful pilot]

On other news, I bought one lmao

I folded

these things go for $200-$500 depending, even if its completely stripped away and for parts (non-functional) go for a lot, but last night I was able to find one for parts for $40 and I instictively went for it

so when that arrives, I'll post a video of it, as well as photoscan it and properly turn that into a model for the game

the radio is going to be a lot harder to get my hands on because it's a military combat radio, yknow prices are bad when its $300 for a dummy practice radio of it.

[blissful pilot]

I wanted to show this earlier, but this is the original larry.jpg AI upscaled to a higher resolution vs the remastered one I created using the source images

this is the difference and why sourcing the images is the best way to go in my opinion, my AI upscaler wasn't even able to go up to 2K natively from 128 pixels, meaning I would have to upscale it once or twice, which makes the quality significantly worse.

and there's no ambiguity when it comes to the remaster, because I can just show the original source material and they'll say "oh, is that what he looks like?"

its probably the best example I have of the difference between those workflows and the quality coming out

[blissful pilot]

Ok this guy who commented on one of my youtube videos have been helping me out on sourcing here,

finally found the original high definition scans of the human faces.

[blissful pilot]

Ok guys, this is big big big

possibly bigger than the PSDs

There's a guy who commented on my RTX spoof trailer on youtube, saying he ported all the rooms to Blender from SCP:CB and offered to show to me and so i checked it out, -weeks later, I find this guy on the Undertow discord as well as the UE discord, and today he messaged me and offered to help with sourcing images, he gave me the source of the human faces

SRC

I subscribed to the site just this once to get full 4k scans of them

[blissful pilot]

https://www.3d.sk/photos/show/id/head-textures-0010-10

https://www.3d.sk/photos/show/id/white-man-04-diffuse

https://www.3d.sk/photos/show/id/black-man-01-diffuse

https://www.3d.sk/photos/show/id/white-man-05-diffuse

That's all I can find for now, anyhow, the big part of all this, he said 1. he may be willing to help with modelling and texturing for the remaster

and 2. he has connections with Vain Brain and possibly other devs that can help with source material and PSDs and such, he sent a message out to Vain Brain this afternoon so we'll see how that goes.

[oak dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-emoji-rage-gif-17640294432761192580

[blissful pilot]

I've been looking all over that site, I still haven't found these original photo head scans

I still have 39 credits, so if it's found on that site I can get the full 4K scan

granted, I think I'll only be able to get two

[oak dirge]

going to start capturing rooms in reverse order

[blissful pilot]

how so?

[oak dirge]

just starting with the highest id and going down

[blissful pilot]

ah so Start/173

I'm curious, can captures and captured data be shared between two people working on RTX remix?

and if you have no idea, I'd say lets try it; then I'll get started on lighting the rooms

just make sure to name the captures by the ID if you can, before opening them up or anything

also, in UE? or vanilla?

should've started with that

[oak dirge]

vanilla for now
gotta extend the fog then I'll send you a cap as a test

[blissful pilot]

cool, I'm going to finish the intro area then

[oak dirge]

I'll also send a cap of a vanilla room from uer and see what happens

[blissful pilot]

I already captured the first two areas, as well as the head office, I want to get in a habit of sending captures and work so its easier to work amongst multiple people

I think the capture data as well as the mesh and materials and such are required

[blissful pilot]

and yeah that sounds like a good experiment

[oak dirge]

remix back to crashing the second I open my project

also apparently setting the fog too far breaks it

I'm still sitting here trying to find good fog values

for some reason 999 9999 works in game but not in the ini

[blissful pilot]

I just finished making all the light values match with consistency, I'm going to boot up the game to line up the lights for 173 and then I'm going to move on to the next room

[oak dirge]

wtf

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

the whole map?

[blissful pilot]

Weirld..

also I'll need more than the .usd

[oak dirge]

that's just the vanilla

[blissful pilot]

it'll load with the .usd but be missing any textures, models, hashes or anything that the start or 173 doesn't have, there should also be folders for materials and textures and stuff

yeah that looks to be it

lemme take a look

[oak dirge]

I missed a folder

[blissful pilot]

ah okie

looks like gate b to me

is it in vanilla or UE?

[oak dirge]

vanilla and yeah gateb

[blissful pilot]

missing a few things inside it, like the grass/snow

not the end of the world, but I guess worth noting

[oak dirge]

I didn't have the outside loaded

just the inside

[blissful pilot]

ah ok

[oak dirge]

the map was being weird

[blissful pilot]

still, looks like it worked well

and I think I get it now

you have to put the files inside both your captures folder in your game's "rtx-remix" as well as the deps's captures folder in your project file

I'm going to try loading this just to make sure

[oak dirge]

I actually can't launch my project this time

I open it then 2 seconds later ny whole pc freezes for half a sec and it crashes. very sad

looks like all projects are broken gotta reinstall the program

[blissful pilot]

this is a pain inthe butt

how do you change the incremental transform on the gizmo thingy

if you know

when I move a light it snaps from "0" directly to "-250" which is impossible to get percise placement with

also I think this capture has other rooms in it

Yeah it has SCP-860's door in it

I'm curious though, If I link stage lights to things only in that room, would it keep it in a different seed where gate b and 860 isnt connected? im going to try it now

once i get the lights in a good position lol

[oak dirge]

reinstalling did not help why does this happen