Star Wars: Republic Commando RTX

[static mason]

This is a default mat

It is just being used to see details

[dry shoal]

Nvm then ignore me

[static mason]

There is no texture yet. This is the high poly we are working on

[dry shoal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1241118293855703062/1271517297227464746/image.png?ex=66b7a043&is=66b64ec3&hm=716a929981777753eb8139cdebce2a051ad9db16b8a4976574fe17d1bd2e2efe&

Screenshot of the Remix API doing its thing with a light source debug view

Courtesy of Leon

[gleaming sedge]

I need a video of the Remix API doing its thing with a light source debug view

Courtesy of Leon

[dry shoal]

Then tag him and ask

[gleaming sedge]

no

[dry shoal]

L + get fucked + ratio + no video

Also are you fully off of uncle burrito bc that name was low key iconic @gleaming sedge

[gleaming sedge]

That's just my server name

Also I didn't change my name

Someone else did

[dry shoal]

What the

[gleaming sedge]

Mods can change your nickname

[dry shoal]

What the cyberfuck

[gleaming sedge]

Yeah

[dry shoal]

I don't even see an option to reset it lol

I think you can change it too

[gleaming sedge]

Yeah, I just reset it

[dry shoal]

O shit my bad

Wait good timing

I set it to uncle man burrito boy for a split second

[gleaming sedge]

[cobalt jacinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsI3NEohqGw

[gleaming sedge]

Video of the Remix API doing its thing with a light source debug view

Courtesy of Leon

[dry shoal]

@royal sonnet right now in my project we have an anchor mesh for every map drawn as a single floating triangle in engine. We added a command that hides the triangle but it's still technically rendering, just doesn't write to the color buffer. Would that cause any issues like remix identifying it as a different mesh?

[dry shoal]

I think you should 100% share this in #showcase too

I haven't watched it yet bc I'm at an appointment but I've been informed that it's cool

Actually L + ratio I'm putting it there for you

Holy shit the crossbow looks wild

[static mason]

This is actually fucking epic

[royal sonnet]

err, I suppose it depends on exactly what the game does to make it render, but not write to the color buffer

but the most definite way to test that is to just take a capture in either mode and see whether the triangle has the same hash in both

[dark lava]

hohoho, welcome to hell world

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-im-ready-lightsaber-star-wars-gif-15851238

[dark lava]

Yep, impressive

[dry shoal]

@royal sonnet unfortunately I'm right back to progress being virtually impossible because of the bridge crashing. Again it's Xoxor's fork for x86 API support

if you want me to upload these to the github again I can but my brain is getting cooked by this stuff

this crash was a couple minutes ago, latest GPU driver, latest stable remix build (0.5.4) + xoxor's bridge fork that was built 3 days ago

[dry shoal]

currently working on:
dc15s
B2 Super Battle Droid
Mechanical door
Metal grating floor thing

[royal sonnet]

I thought you said it was stable with the latest bridge but crashing on xoxor4d's fork cause it was old? Did he merge the latest bridge changes into his fork yet?

[dry shoal]

that's right. He looked at the commit history to double check and it's based on the newest build of the time (which works). Maybe @weary radish could give more insight, but there's something in his bridge fork that causes the same broken behavior as the main bridge builds did previously

it's possible that gives a hint as to exactly what it is because I've isolated the regression between two mainline builds and now the fork + latest main build at the time. So maybe the main bridge builds that had problems and xoxor's fork have something in common?

I also wanna bring up again that there was at least 1 other user who ran into the same issues as me, but I didn't test a large variety of builds with them, only the one from when I had a bunch of people try it

[royal sonnet]

You should really be posting this info straight to the github issue - otherwise it's just me playing telephone between you and the engineer who actually looked into it.

[dry shoal]

I'll do that, I just try to be more formal with github stuff. I'm doing something at the same time so I'll have to get to that in a bit

[royal sonnet]

To me, it sounds more like there's some unknown variable that has little to do with the bridge version you're using

cause it happening on an old bridge build, not happening on most recent bridge build, but then happening on most recent bridge build + remix API changes just sounds like it's happening randomly, possibly being more or less likely due to something unknown

[dry shoal]

I mean is it not true that every bug/issue comes from somewhere? Like computers don't do what you don't want them to do for no reason at all

I would love to just shrug it off but until x86 API support comes to the mainline branches, I'm reliant on Xoxor's fork for my project

which is why this same issue happening as before is significant

[royal sonnet]

I'm not saying there's no reason for it, I'm saying that the understanding we thought we had ("bug was fixed by something checked in after 0.5.1 shipped") is probably wrong.

Debugging like this is like a detective mystery, especially when we can't repro it on our own machines.

Do you have any input devices aside from keyboard + mouse plugged in to your computer? Are you running windowed mode while your other testers are launching fullscreen? anything like that?

Did you change anything aside from bridge version when you went back on to xoxor's branch?

Also, please link exactly where you're getting xoxor's bridge build from, cause this branch:
https://github.com/xoxor4d/bridge-remix/commits/feature/bridge-api-squashed/
is missing commits that are on main
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/bridge-remix/commits/main/

[dry shoal]

I ran into the crash regardless of fullscreen or windowed, I turned off things like frame gen, set DLSS to ultra perf, played with asset tags but kept getting the same thing. As for other input devices I do have a 2.4Ghz dongle for a gamepad that Windows technically always has recognized as a controller

[royal sonnet]

well, try unplugging that. (unlikely, but who knows at this point)

[dry shoal]

don't know why that link doesn't show the latest build but you can find it here https://github.com/xoxor4d/bridge-remix/actions

[dry shoal]

yeah I'm gonna try it just to see. Also for reference the latest tests I've done to try and isolate the bridge issues were done with Remix 0.5.4 + the bridge fork

[royal sonnet]

https://github.com/xoxor4d/bridge-remix/commits/main/
most recent commit synced from main is 2 months old.

it's missing the 6 most recent commits from main

[dry shoal]

@weary radish AHEMMMM 🙂

I've been scammed

lemme test with the dongle removed real quick

[gleaming sedge]

[royal sonnet]

well, it sounds like you were just going back to test the same code that had been failing previously, without the fixes that are on main. So actually this would be expected

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-surprise-gif-24063172

previously tested:
0.5.1 fails.
0.5.1 + xoxor4d fails
top of main works.

then you went back to 0.5.1 + xoxor4d and it failed

[dry shoal]

gotta sue for this

[royal sonnet]

Need to be clear to xoxor4d - it's not that his branch is missing a commit from before he forked. To fix your bug, he needs to rebase his fork to include the latest commits from main.

[dry shoal]

could this change your assessment at all? Wish I knew more on github to interpret it myself but yk

https://github.com/xoxor4d/bridge-remix/commits/feature/bridge-api

[dry shoal]

I guess unsurprisingly, this didn't work

[royal sonnet]

ah, that branch does have the latest, and it does look like the actions are from that branch :/ so then back to not knowing why top of main works but his branch doesn't

[dry shoal]

guess I can't sue xoxor then

[wind briar]

Auto, you're american

[royal sonnet]

actually... the merge commit of that branch is hella weird. It has a lot more changes than his other branches

[wind briar]

You can sue anyone

[dry shoal]

true, "can't" is a stand-in for "I can't win a lawsuit"

[wind briar]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-crossed-arms-pikachu-eyes-closed-pokemon-gif-15194868

[royal sonnet]

oh, he merged on top of his changes rather than rebasing his changes on top of main.

[dry shoal]

yeah that sounds like

not a good one

[royal sonnet]

well... it's fine if it's done right, but it's a bit of a pain to know if the merge went right

I'll check up on the status of actually getting his changes merged into main on monday, not sure what the holdup is there.

[dry shoal]

so x86 support with the API should be official relatively soon? That would definitely make things simpler. I remember seeing comments asking for xoxor to change some naming related stuff before merging with mainline iirc, but it was a little while ago

[gleaming sedge]

So in short xoxor did done fucked up

[royal sonnet]

I don't know - I'll check up on it, but I don't know what's going with it.

[dry shoal]

it's okay I forgive him

[dry shoal]

Please do, we have more API-enabling stuff being worked on so having it on the official main branch makes me feel more confident in integrating it long term

[gleaming sedge]

KILL

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fire-flamethrower-burn-on-fire-gif-7684110515453159552

[dry shoal]

haven't posted screenshots for the project in a while so I figured I'd throw some in here.

disclaimer: I'm not gonna use this material, I was curious how it would look within Remix. Credit to TheMan, he made it for his UE2-based Republic Commando Remastered mod

[golden plover]

Looks great.
BTW have you tested if character models can be replaced and function like the original?

[dry shoal]

character models in this game can't be replaced through Remix, but because it's an Unreal Engine 2 game I can bring new character models into the game natively then apply textures through Remix

[golden plover]

What about animations? With the new models?

[dry shoal]

it's on me to set them up such that they can accept the original animations. It's gonna be extremely manual work, having to learn some fundamentals of rigging and learn weight painting for deformation

[weary radish]

Should have rebased the branch yeah. Im on vacation and will be home on the 17th so nothing I can do until then 🫣

[dry shoal]

Lol all good thanks for making the x86 stuff possible to begin with

[severe flare]

Question from an uneducated dumbass: is this just like a texture swap? Because the geometry looks so much more complicated and has so much more depth to it, I’m wondering if this is the work of some wicked normal maps or if adding a new material changes the actual geometry of the original surface

[dry shoal]

Both. It's a new room mesh but it's entirely smoothed over, there's next to surface variation to give it the bumpy look. What you're seeing there is simply a displacement/heightmap

So you could achieve basically the same thing with just a texture swap. I just had reasons for changing the room itself too

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1200925027554558034/1225826265257214014/image-223.png?ex=66bacfec&is=66b97e6c&hm=cbd763483b43e0a17cd6233d978311c358a51f5ba213c309097470656a02ec99&

This is an old screenshot that's exclusively a texture swap @severe flare

[static mason]

by the way those lighting glitches are not a shading error that is just some weird material thing. It does not show up in blender

Once the high poly is done we will link the referencing as to credit the artists we used as inspiration to get this model done

[severe flare]

bedankttttt

[wind briar]

What

[severe flare]

thats just dutch thank u

[wind briar]

Oh, okay

Auto is american FYI 😛

[dry shoal]

True! I have heard that word used before though so once you mentioned it being dutch it clicked lol

I think I got it from one of the Overwatch heroes

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-overwatch-hold-it-together-gif-14634658

This guy

I use quick chat voice lines a lot in games and I used to main him. Lots of "thank you"s

[severe flare]

brother im also American

[dry shoal]

WIP old vs new mesh

[static mason]

"I don't see a difference"

[static mason]

High Poly done. Now fo9r the low poly yay.....

[static mason]

Just poting links for refs to credit for the models which helped us get the model done
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/star-wars-e5-blaster-c7a950cd1abe4ab9bee6a56b8df9d54d
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/star-wars-e5-blaster-rifle-b758a58d473849feb76541521db7bf07
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/e5-blaster-rifle-star-wars-60d0d563b0a64afeb5bb7544a848d96b

Like to respect the artists as want to show we used reference material

The grip mat will be added either as an alpha or done in marmoset

[static mason]

[dry shoal]

Absolutely amazing. The quality of this is gonna push me to do even better on my own weapon models

[dry shoal]

Once khaotik is done with their models I'm gonna try and get some showcase shots with what I have on hand so far 🙂 talking the full experience where everything in the screenshot is brand new stuff, hopefully showing off API based projectile lighting and the B1 unit holding its ground in the harsh Geonosis environment

[static mason]

When the shading is perfect. No shading errors

High poly in blender

[dry shoal]

Looking great. And remember this would be brought in through remix so didn't worry too much about tri count of the low poly 🙂

[static mason]

Yeah it will be a mid poly level for low poly 20-50K maybe

[dry shoal]

I think 20-30K will look awesome and still retain all the detail

[dark lava]

whistling

[golden plover]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-watermark-business-card-gif-5917869

[dark lava]

@dry shoal intense whistling

[dry shoal]

AY THIS IS SOME GOOD SHIT

Would you mind if I used this in the future 🙂 naturally I'd give you credit

Amazing work

[dark lava]

geez, i literally DID This so you could use it!

[dry shoal]

Hey there's no harm in checking to be safe

[dry shoal]

[dark lava]

https://tenor.com/view/seulyien-got7-jinyoung-got7jinyoung-cool-gif-21987010

[dry shoal]

Looks so official

[dark lava]

its my often gimmick, to make things look official, the simillar way i did logo for Driv3r Definitive Edition, just a mod, but logo looks like if it was official thing

[dry shoal]

And you seem to nail it every time

[dark lava]

most of the time surely

[dry shoal]

If it's a pain then don't worry about it, but would it be possible to make a version without "Star Wars" that also makes the Remixed subtitle much bigger? So it could fit being used as a smaller icon of sorts if that makes sense

[dark lava]

smaller icon that is like 1:1 aspect ratio?

[dry shoal]

Reference use-case, it's a private server I use to keep track of stuff

[dry shoal]

Yeah basically

[dark lava]

okay, give me a minute

[dark lava]

boom

it will fit to entire circle

@dry shoal job is done

[static mason]

Shits swag

[dry shoal]

Definitely looks neater! I think if the Remixed subtitle was bigger that might be better still, since it's pretty small in the icon

I'd do a simple scaling myself but not at my PC atm lol

[dark lava]

REMIXED REMIXED REMIXED REMIXED

[dry shoal]

More specifically the bottom bar here being embiggened like this, blue box being the final scaling of it

[dry shoal]

Yep that would do it

tyvm

If you make a proper resize yosuke I'll hold onto that one instead since it's original quality

[dry shoal]

Now we're going full meme

[dark lava]

meantime i was busy to make a game icon so it could be used for exe executable

[dry shoal]

LET HIM COOK

[dark lava]

https://tenor.com/view/wang-yibo-yibo-uniq-chinese-handsome-gif-15976174

[burnt light]

personally i'm not a fan of the really sharp diagonal edges. otherwise i think it looks great

[dry shoal]

I think it'll be fine since in practice it'd be quite small

The sharp edges help with readability when it's scaled down I bet

(throwback to this btw #1200925027554558034 message)

[dry shoal]

Honestly I should probably use this for the server icon it would fit perfectly

[dark lava]

here is scaled down for that 😊

[dry shoal]

A living legend. Thanks a bunch for your time and effort

[dark lava]

https://tenor.com/view/heeseung-heeseung-enhypen-heeseung-wink-gif-24238734

[dry shoal]

Oh yeah now we're talking

[dark lava]

THAT'S NOT ENOUGH OF REMIXES

(i literally threw almost all of my Remixed subtitles from various game logos i did)

[gleaming sedge]

L

Simplicity wins (as always)

[burnt light]

i'll make ya a logo real quick

[dark lava]

why you didn't said a word to me?

[gleaming sedge]

what

[dark lava]

that

[gleaming sedge]

Oh I have this

It's just that having no logo makes it the easiest to find

It stands out more

[dark lava]

i could try re-arrange it for icon

okay then

[dry shoal]

Idk the bold RC works pretty great for me

[gleaming sedge]

This is good

Thank you\

Damnit

[dry shoal]

Yosuke's got competition it would seem

[gleaming sedge]

Adam owns the server settings

[gleaming sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/luke-moment-graphic-design-gif-11939076132639903483

[dark lava]

i bet

[dark lava]

(its joke version of this logo for possible mod)

[gleaming sedge]

Make one that says

Mom stop the car

need to pee

[dark lava]

you want me to recreate NFS 2015 logo?

[gleaming sedge]

u2 style

[static mason]

Didnt you make one for rtcw or was that someone else

Ik someone did

[dark lava]

It was me, yes

[static mason]

Can you send it again I will add it to the noddb page

[dark lava]

here

[static mason]

Thank ye

[dark lava]

sure thing

[dark lava]

be sure to credit me, okay?

[static mason]

Oh 100%

[dark lava]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-76-fallout-bethesda-vault-boy-thumbs-up-gif-16321668367764696684

[dry shoal]

bro took over this channel

get that bag king\

[dark lava]

https://tenor.com/view/taron-egerton-eggsy-unwin-eggsy-whatever-kingsman-golden-circle-gif-9381878

[dusk trail]

Wait do you have a different server for this?

[dry shoal]

It's a personal 1 man server. Originally I planned on inviting everyone who was helping out in some way but I feel like it would've been more annoying for people so I didn't bother

[dusk trail]

Ah fair enough

[weary radish]

can you test this build whenever you have time? It's the sqashed branch but rebased onto main:
https://github.com/xoxor4d/bridge-remix/actions/runs/10433266621

[dry shoal]

oh I'll test it alright

now we're talkin

I'll get to it in a bit

[dry shoal]

the issue appears to remain. I installed all the necessary prereqs to get the game working, including the latest dxvk/bridge builds. Then I added your build, overwrote everyhing, and started up. The API itself appears to be working but the crashing issue persists. Only tested for a few minutes though

[weary radish]

And that does not happen with the latest bridge actions build of the official repo?

[dry shoal]

as of a few days ago, yes. I should check the latest latest to be safe though, I'll let you know

[weary radish]

Just had crashing issues myself on waw after using my latest build but it turned out I forgot to enable client.exposeRemixApi = True in the bridge.conf 😂 ... you do have that enabled right? Because you said that the api appears to be working.
So are you crashing at random or everytime doing X or Y ?

[dry shoal]

yep, I have it enabled. It's not a random crash, it's incredibly consistent. I load in, performance degrades as time passes, and after a minute or two I get a crash

okay I lied, according to the log it took 280 seconds the last time

[weary radish]

Weird stuff. Could you send me the crash dmp file in dm?

[dry shoal]

so small problem, it doesn't seem to be generating dmp files at all this time

this is after a recent crash too just to generate a new one

[weary radish]

setting client.setExceptionHandler to true in the bridge.conf might help

[dry shoal]

this didn't seem to do anything upon doing another test

upon trying some updates to API (for the mod project) use it also breaks my game entirely

black screen -> crash 2 seconds later

[dry shoal]

I wrote a thing but TLDR I'm going to be less active in this thread and I'm going to avoid in-progress screenshots. I shouldn't be getting validation for things that aren't completed. I'm aiming to have more substantial stuff to show when I do have something

Side note for artists, I'm absolutely crashing into a wall and that's a big part of this. Any suggestions for growing that aren't one off YouTube videos would be appreciated

[dry shoal]

As part of this though I'm also gonna avoid #asset-creation

[static mason]

a good place is smthn like Pinterest or i think(?) its called smthn like newgrounds someone told me abt to grow

[dry shoal]

Both of those to my knowledge would be short form content. I've seen dozens of videos but they're limited in scope

[dark lava]

just testing my logo in action

[hardy quail]

The second one is blank

[dark lava]

second one is for future usage, so anyone could put it in any other screenshot, its transparent for reason

[dry shoal]

This is awesome. When I have more substantial screenshots to share I'll have to throw this in with it! Probably with a little bonus text below that says "This isn't finished, if you think it looks like ass atm then respectfully fuck off"

[static mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1096121270321549413/1275083653617029122/smileybeef_-_1824476702992376093.gif

me after reading the fine code

[dark lava]

oki-doki

[dark lava]

respectful template

[dry shoal]

[hardy quail]

Ah i see now, thats definitely an odd way of doing it when you could just center it and not waste so much space on that image

[dark lava]

who de fak places logo in demonstrational screenshots IN THE MIDDLE?

[hardy quail]

🤨🤨🤨

You move it to the corner when you are putting it in your screenshots

[dark lava]

YES, SO PEOPLE COULD SEE THINGS

[hardy quail]

Chat is this guy fr

[dark lava]

@dry shoal am i for real?

[hardy quail]

Im saying you have it preset in the corner

I was just calling that odd

Because if you center it, you can have it at a much higher resolution

Im talking aboit the completely blank one

[dark lava]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-gif-22205159

second one is for future usage, so anyone could put it in any other screenshot, its transparent for reason

i wrote it for fun or what?

[hardy quail]

🤨🤨 i guess you did because im not saying its pointless i just called it odd

It works for what it is

[dark lava]

here is what odd

[hardy quail]

No bro

[dark lava]

yes

[hardy quail]

This is what i mean

You take the big logo, throw it onto your screenshot in an image editing software, and put it in the corner like so

And if you have a high resolution screenshot, you dont have to worry about a low resolution logo

[dark lava]

#1200925027554558034 message my seperate logo is avaiable SEPERATELY, IT EXISTS HERE

IT LITERALLY IS PINNED

[hardy quail]

🤨 i just called it odd man its not that big a deal

[dark lava]

https://tenor.com/view/sousuke-yamazaki-sosuke-yamazaki-free-anime-boy-sigh-gif-11598118820834717264

[dry shoal]

Because overwhelmingly that's what's gonna be done. Think of it like this, I have a screenshot I wanna show. I throw it into a photo editor, throw the transparent image with the logo on top of the screenshot. I'm done.

Makes things stupidly fast

And should I ever need a different setup I could also just select the logo and drag it somewhere else in a split second

Because it's largely transparent I'm pretty sure the difference in file size would be miniscule too

[static mason]

I'm not on his side or anything ima just explain what I think he means, I think he's saying that not centering the logo (whereas this most likely isn't true) will cause the logo to be pixilated where centering it will be lossless, not that it matters anyway cornering it even if centered is still gonna butcrush it

Just my hunch

[dry shoal]

If discord uploads losslessly why would it be affected

[static mason]

Not through discord but through a photo editor, again tho I'm not thinking this this is what I assume the amongus chicken nugget is thinking :towhomeveritmayconcern:

[dry shoal]

Sorry but I'm very confused

Like on how that works

The template is ultrawide and lossless, so what would the negative effect be when adding a layer on top of another ultrawide image

[static mason]

Smaller omage = less pixels I guess (assuming they use paint 3d or of non vector editing

[dry shoal]

Oh that would make more sense if that template was gonna be used for more than one thing but yeah it's just for game screenshots

[static mason]

Yeah

[dry shoal]

So having it premade in that aspect ratio in that position is nice

[static mason]

Yep

Again this isn't me thinking please don't smite me

towhomeveritmayconcern

[dry shoal]

Uh I don't think that formatted how you wanted it to

[static mason]

It didn't 😭

I tried saving the emoji-> tenor because I don't have nitro anymore

[hardy quail]

This is what i meant, i didnt even say it was bad or anything just odd, because if anyone has a large screenshot the logo will be a lower resolution than the rest

[dry shoal]

no ik you didn't think it was bad I was just trying to understand

[dawn zinc]

Not sure if this is the place to ask, but when trying to remix RC's prologue, I run into a few points where the screen is either black (or if I hide that instanced texture, it culls all of the geometry). I can fly around a little bit to get the geo to pop back in, but I was curious if anyone here knew how to get those sections to work properly. For example, it is when you are being introduced to the squad, or when everyone is loading onto the gunship. Any help is appreciated

[dry shoal]

it's related to sky detection. Are you using the rtx.conf pinned in this thread?

I guess technically it's on moddb since I haven't updated it in a while

you can ask me about compatibility issues since I've done by far the most testing on this game

[dawn zinc]

Thanks for the reply, yes I grabbed the one from ModDB. I’m going to hop back on here in a bit and I’ll try setting up again from scratch to see if that fixes it

[dry shoal]

I need to update the instructions anyways so I don't think it's worth the trouble

[dawn zinc]

Oh okay, how do you think I should proceed then?

[dry shoal]

setting it up rn btw

[dry shoal]

if you wanna wait a bit I can send a zip that has everything included in one drag and drop

makes the instructions nice and easy

don't think you'll need to wipe anything, overwriting should be okay

[dawn zinc]

Sounds good. I actually have to wipe anyway, I ran into an issue where the different tabs in Remix won’t switch when clicking on them. I only found one post in this discord about it and I’m not sure if there’s a fix other than completely restarting

I didn’t get too far on editing prologue so it’s not the worst, but would definitely suck if I was really far along in a project

[dry shoal]

one thing I've come to learn is SWRC Requires significantly less work than you'd expect

less is more. I've broken the graphics more by changing too much in the past

[dry shoal]

@dawn zinc

extract to your main game directory

not system unlike the old instructions

[dawn zinc]

I’ll bear that in mind. What are some examples of changing too much? Like adding too many lights or model swaps?

[dawn zinc]

Awesome, thank you so much. I’ll try this now and report back

[dry shoal]

I'm not referring to changing assets. I'm referring to Remix runtime settings. Auto sky detection and tagging textures are things you generally don't want to mess with*

exceptions being -> mark sky textures

if you can't find the sky texture, you could use auto sky detect temporarily

if you have issues with the overlay, try this

[dawn zinc]

Trying this now

[dry shoal]

@royal sonnet I think the infamous crashing/delayed input issue that's been making me tear my hair out is related to how the bridge handles input

I also discovered that when I'm moving my mouse, WASD is unresponsive. If I'm not moving my mouse, WASD works every time

correction, that's what it is

when using various inputs the framerate drops more and more over time. But if I just stand still it shoots right back up to my 120fps cap and the game never crashes

until I do more inputs which is also when perf drops. When enabling performance overlays the CPU utilization increases from ~45ish% to up to 55% as I use my input. When I let go of my inputs the CPU usage drops again

adding to the github report

[dawn zinc]

Yeah everything works way better now, thank you so much

Also, noticing the WASD/mouse issue you just mentioned lol

[dry shoal]

what CPU/GPU?

and do you use a fancy keyboard or is it a standard one (mechanical included in standard)

oh, and do you know what your polling rate is on your mouse?

[dawn zinc]

i9-12900K and 3080 Ti

It's mechanical, it's wireless but currently plugged in

No idea on the polling rate

[dry shoal]

most gaming mice are 1000hz polling rate but whether it's set by default can vary. Only the most high end mice of the last year up till now can go as high as 8000hz. My mouse is set to 2000hz so I wondered if that could be related

[dawn zinc]

I'm on a G502 hero so definitely not high end, not sure what the polling rate on it is though

Any tips on doing your captures for prologue? Did you just pause time and fly up high and look down for each scene?

[dry shoal]

no worries, I think I can rule it out. Set my mouse to 250hz to be super safe (aka kinda ass lol) and it still occurred

[dry shoal]

I have before but it affects the LOD of skinned meshes. So clone models and whatnot

that said you can't replace those meshes through remix either way, so I wouldn't worry too much

[dawn zinc]

Ah I see. So do you just capture it from the first person view during each sequence?

[dry shoal]

I skipped kamino entirely for the time being

I've only focused on geonosis' playable missions

I've slowed down on the remastering effort because of massive technical issues with Remix among some other things

[dawn zinc]

Gotcha. I look forward to seeing what you come up with for Geonosis. I'm probably not the only one that's been wanting a good remaster of this game for a while

I remember years ago I wanted to remake it in UE3 when I was an overly ambitious teenager lol. This seems more tangible

[dry shoal]

hey, depending on your experience that could be pretty big. This project is a hybrid mod between Unreal 2 and Remix's toolkit asset replacements + Remix's API plugged into the game more directly. Scroll up in #showcase and you'll see what that enables

but yeah, covering the whole game is also too much for me to reasonably do. I'm only covering up to the end of Geonosis

[dawn zinc]

Yeah I can definitely see that. Realistically I might end up doing a level or two, as much as I'd love to do it for the entire game

But seeing the Half-Life 2 project in the works was definitely inspiring for this sort of thing. I'd love to see that treatment for a game like this

[dry shoal]

that sort of treatment is 100% possible. Having access to the UE2 editor alone is pretty huge, and thanks to leon (biggest modder in SWRC scene) we can plug in aspects of Remix based on game behaviors which opens a lot of doors. Without it Remix is relatively primitive

however I'm mainly limited by art skill and everything being quite messy having many moving parts

if you wanted to do even a single level that would be super cool. I could share assets that I have so far since I'm not starting from zero by any means

depends on the level if they'd be shared or not though

[dawn zinc]

I'm kind of the opposite, art is my strong suit but the technical knowhow and engine knowledge are my limitations. The application of my skillset is pretty limited at the moment but I'm trying to pick up and learn this process

So how much are you doing in UE2 then? Are you spending most of your time there?

Also I should say, I appreciate you answering all of these questions!

[dry shoal]

art is arguably the most significant part. Can you give a simple rundown of the kind of art you can do? Just to have a frame of reference compared to myself

[dry shoal]

dude ofc, I've been working on this thing for 8months now. Since it's modding I only have so much output from limited freetime but yeah, I want to make something pretty special even if it's limited in scope

my dream would be to have that corny "RTX ON" comparison where it goes from the original basic lighting and materials to full PBR, pathtraced GI, super high geo models, shit that looks like a remake almost

[dawn zinc]

I work as a professional 3D character artist at a AAA studio, and have worked on promotional material involving lighting and rendering on the side. It's funny, one of my studio's games is among those people are remixing here lol. But for legal reasons I'm staying away from that

So anything involving modeling, texturing, rigging, lighting, and some VFX I can do

[dry shoal]

have you seen any of the screenshots I've put out so far? They're limited in number but it could give you an idea of what could be possible

[dawn zinc]

Same. Like when that one video of the remastered prologue, I'd love to see that for the entire game

[dry shoal]

that's super cool, we have a couple other professional artists here too. Most of us are fairly amateurish and learn as we go

[dawn zinc]

I haven't seen too much but I'll take a gander

[dry shoal]

3D character artist is actually kind of significant because that's by far the most difficult thing to do

I spent over a month on a super battle droid model only to eventually scrap it which was painful

[dawn zinc]

I know how that feels lol. I do recall seeing progress shots of that

[dry shoal]

this was a very early screenshot using one of my first PBR materials. It was reposted recently since someone made a logo for the project and did a little overlay

[dawn zinc]

You started with the BF2 asset as a base right? That's probably the route I'd take

[dark lava]

and that someone is me

[dawn zinc]

Yeah I saw this earlier, that's cool. As long as each model can be swapped and given nice PBR textures that scene could look like a modern game, that's exciting

[dry shoal]

bf2 mesh scaled to the proportions of SWRC's chunky mesh, then I created new retopo'd meshes in low resolution based on the BF2 pieces. Then I ran it through subd to get the smooth high poly look. I was quite proud of it

[dawn zinc]

Subd gives me the shivers. Kudos for pulling that off lol

[dry shoal]

they absolutely can with how much access I have thanks to UE2's openness. The overwhelming majority of meshes can be replaced through Remix's tools. The main exception has to do with character models funnily enough

but UE2 can handle multiple times higher tri counts than what shipped with the game back when. I think the clone trooper is like 2000-3000 tris but you can import skinned meshes up to 25K/30K well enough

[dawn zinc]

Interesting... so if you wanted to swap the commandos out, you'd have to do that in UE2?

[dry shoal]

bingo. But only the meshes. PBR can still be applied through remix so the whole process of high poly to low poly baking would still be utilized on top of the 25-30k (low poly) mesh

[dawn zinc]

I see, okay so that's super doable then. Guess I need to download UE2 lol

[dry shoal]

not even. It's included in the game files

[dawn zinc]

Games back in the day were so sick, that's awesome lol

[dry shoal]

however you want the SWRCFix mod which adds a much improved UE2 level editor (original is super unstable) and FOV/arbitrary aspect ratios and resolutions

[dry shoal]

couldn't agree more. I remember seeing stuff like it as a kid but editors have been gone for ages

[dawn zinc]

Did you include that in your .rar you sent earlier? I do have that downloaded

[dry shoal]

if you downloaded it, it's all included. In fact I even set up the included DX9 wrapper to ignore the level editor so you won't have to deal with remix messing with it

[dawn zinc]

If I make headway swapping character models effectively I'll share them here for folks to use in their own projects, a full remix of this game just might require an open source approach

[dry shoal]

it's CTEditor.exe btw for the improved editor

[dry shoal]

honestly I can work on that if you were to make the meshes. I've spent a decent amount of time researching UE2's rigging and animation linking system

[dawn zinc]

Let's go

[dry shoal]

hell yeah. The "animations" tab is where all the skinned meshes are. If you want to open up a level, file -> open -> maps -> geo1a for the first playable mission

you can also change the viewport setup by hitting view -> viewports -> configure

[dry shoal]

but yeah I wanna stress this bit. For example if I gave a character model in a blend file as reference, you'd need to match the proportions of that original model so the rigging could be reused. It doesn't have to be literally flawless but it should be as close as reasonably possible @dawn zinc if you then had a finished mesh in a 25-30K tri range, I could do the UE2 implementation process

will save you a lot of the headache involved with native game modding

if you were to try making character models for the project, I'd love to make it as hassle free as possible for ya 🙂

hopping off my PC to take a bit of a break. If you have any questions though I'll answer when I get time 👍

[dawn zinc]

Awesome sounds good, I'll grab a BF2 model now and see if I can get it in that range for use

[dry shoal]

For reference the super battle droid from BF2 was around 45K tris 👍 I don't want to use any ripped models directly for the end product though, just to let you know

But by all means mess around with it. Getting a cut down BF2 model in-game would be great for experience/a quality proof of concept. Best of luck!

[dawn zinc]

Sounds good, depending on their density and material/texture setup it might require a retopo of the model anyway

[dawn zinc]

So I've got things working really well now, but two issues in prologue: the scenes where you the clones are at the weapons range, the scene where you are introduced to delta squad, and the scene with all the ships load in with no lighting. Any idea what that could be?

Also I just got BF2 and it's mod tools downloaded so I'll test extracting some of their meshes for testing purposes here in a sec

[dry shoal]

That's because the sky isn't tagged properly

You'd need to find the sky texture in the game setup -> categorize textures in the remix overlay

[dawn zinc]

Gotcha, let me try that

Looks really cool in the editor so far at least

[dry shoal]

The Remix toolkit right?

I've taken a handful of screenshots from there. Btw I have a game side mod that will create an anchor mesh for every level. That will let me uso a unique "sun" setup which would've been a pain in the ass otherwise

It's not included in the zip I sent

[dawn zinc]

Man this keyboard/mouse bug is annoying lol, trying to grab you a screenshot of some of the scenes. I got all of the emissive textures turned on and the training scene looks really cool with everything lit up and shiny

It's funny, I can only type in console commands when moving my mouse

And yes in the toolkit

Got the console to work lol. This software is so cool

Setting the sky texture helped render the scene, though the geo disappears and reappears when looking around. Also in the screenshot above, the walls to the left and right will flip to black randomly as well

[dry shoal]

is this a shot from the editor? How'd you get the emissives on the helmet working?

[dawn zinc]

This is from in-game

A lot of the textures in this have the mask for the emissive baked into the alpha channel of the diffuse map, so I made a photoshop script that applies that alpha to the diffuse and overlays that over black, and then I save that out as a new image and plug that into the emissive map

[dry shoal]

oh so you're doing some big brain shit

that's something I've struggled with getting to work

[dawn zinc]

Once I have everything squared away for prologue I can upload all the emissives

It would be nice if you could just have the emissive read directly from the alpha channel of the diffuse map automatically, but yeah

[dry shoal]

that's what I've had working in the past unless I'm going crazy

it's been quite annoying

emissives are used a ton

[dawn zinc]

What's great is with this it casts light

So most of the lighting is naturally done by the emissives

At least in this particular level

[static mason]

Wrow...

[dawn zinc]

Here are the emissives I have so far. They share the corresponding name to their original counterparts, but with an e in front to make them easier to find

[dry shoal]

unfortunately that isn't a given solution for level lighting. You're using ray reconstruction I imagine, which is significantly better at denoising emissives than the built in NRD denoiser. Emissive and light ray data are calculated differently, and dedicated lights give the best visual result. For people on AMD in particular it's gonna be very noisy

but as something to have in the meantime? Hugely beneficial

[dawn zinc]

Oh I see, okay

At least for something temp to see the level, that's pretty cool

[dry shoal]

to be clear this is good shit, I don't wanna downplay this lol. I'm absolutely gonna take advantage of it for the time being

[dry shoal]

exactly, or releasing a demo version of the mod using this would probably be viable too

gonna grab the emissives. What's been your go-to for taking captures btw?

like your method

[dawn zinc]

Well for prologue I've just been doing a capture per scene

I'm not sure if that's the correct approach or not to be honest

[dry shoal]

yeah that's reasonable for that level. Here's a tip, since SWRCFix adds an FOV slider, you can max it out at 130 and get larger captures simply because the wider FOV renders more

[dawn zinc]

Big eye mode, got it

Found the assets in BF2, might start with this helmet since it's such big moment in prologue

[dry shoal]

oh man, if you could nail that, that's an easy showcase shot

especially with the emissive

[dry shoal]

I highly recommend pulling the original game asset to have as a size reference

[dawn zinc]

As far as what you would want to use in an actual mod, what would be your requirements for models? Would baking from BF2 assets onto a new mesh be acceptable? Or would you want the model made entirely from scratch?

Is this for legal or personal reasons?

Oh good idea, we don't want bobblehead mode. Even though I do miss that in games

[dry shoal]

my ideal would be to have original meshes even for the high poly. Though of course using another model as a reference/retopo base I think is fine. Especially if you add some personal details/the texture makes it stand out as its own too

[golden plover]

This looks really cool

[dry shoal]

as for legal or personal reasons it's both. I would really love to have this project officially showed off by Nvidia at some point and I already have an IGN journalist who's interested in the project, so you can guess that having our own models is important for those reasons

[dawn zinc]

I see, okay

[dry shoal]

from scratch is entirely up to your discretion. The person working on the B1 Battle Droid worked from scratch but that's significant work that I wouldn't expect across the board

[dawn zinc]

At the very least, BF2 models being converted to high poly saves time and would still result in a different mesh and textures. Starting from the ground up with high polys for everything would take years lol

Yeah I can imagine. Hard surface modeling takes forever, especially with the shape languages in Star Wars

[dry shoal]

yes exactly. That's what I did with the Super Battle Droid. I have a fancy retopo addon for blender so I'm basically drawing topology on top of the surface of the BF2 mesh. Since I'm using subd for the smooth look, you wanna keep it relatively low poly before using the subd

but that low poly retopo + subd modifier was my base for the high poly overall model

[dawn zinc]

Yeah that would be my approach, just in Maya

[dry shoal]

here's an example of what I feed into the subd. Please forgive the underlying topo, I'm still learning and I didn't want to take too too long on it

that same piece from BF2:

[dawn zinc]

Nice that's good

Do you have zbrush by any chance?

[dry shoal]

only blender and instaMAT for my material authoring/modeling software

[dawn zinc]

There's a trick I use in there for hard surface where you soften the bevels and it makes surfaces go from CG to real really quickly, if there's a way to do that in blender that would help too

[dry shoal]

Oh I can probably do that. Lemme see

[dawn zinc]

You might be able to achieve the same effect in subd if you can change how many subidivisions your edges stay sharp

[dry shoal]

but uh yeah it's

easier

[dawn zinc]

Oh okay, I'll not mention that sort of stuff here

[dry shoal]

lol no worries. Btw talking about extracting original models and stuff is fair game, but it's discouraged to use ripped models directly

[dawn zinc]

Gotcha

[dry shoal]

certainly got it looking a tad softer but I wonder if I have creases in unideal places

[dawn zinc]

Nice yeah that's exactly what I'm talking about

The light will catch those edges better

[dry shoal]

and I hear that bakes better too

[dawn zinc]

Subd is difficult, so I won't be the best person to talk to for advice on that sort of thing. I use the zbrush method that I spoke of earlier

Yep

Otherwise if your edges are too sharp it looks really artificial

[dry shoal]

thanks for the advice 👍 definitely looking better now

[static mason]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

Moment

[dry shoal]

I even disabled creases on the curved inside edges and it still holds up

it's acting as a controlling edge loop I suppose

[dawn zinc]

Lol, we might have the right combo of know-how to get this project along!

[static mason]

Yall got this!

[dry shoal]

btw that screenshot you took earlier would probably be cool for #showcase even without new assets yet

[dawn zinc]

Sweet I'll post it there too

https://youtu.be/TLJW5Sz1agI

Also, this is the method I use at work when I'm making hard surface

It gets rid of your subd geometry and replaces it with an extremely dense mesh that you can then smooth so that every edge has the same smooth bevel

Then you can decimate this and use it to bake

[dry shoal]

oh that's a neat idea

I'll try doing what I did for more edges instead of just marking sharp and creasing to bias the subd

then the subd builds the natural looking edge highlights

[dawn zinc]

Blender might have a way to do this but I'm unfamiliar with blender. But it's way easier to control than subd

You still want subd to start but this is good for tuning

[dry shoal]

gotta keep in mind what I'm working with underneath lol

[dry shoal]

oh yeah, so 700K tris is mentioned here which reminded me. Due to the differences in performance scaling between a full pathtraced renderer and a rasterized one, Remix can handle dramatically higher poly counts, so you can get away with some really detailed meshes as the "low poly"

to give a frame of reference I threw in a small 8 million tri mesh into a level in the remix toolkit and the performance was still reasonable. Wouldn't want to go that high but TLDR you can do more than you probably think

oh hi mark

[dawn zinc]

Got our reference mesh extracted. How would a model swap work in RC? Should I be excracting the ones from RC to double check scale?

[royal sonnet]

That sounds like a tricky one to figure out. did you ever track it down to a specific revision or commit where it started happening?

I'll ping the guys who know most about input on Monday

[dry shoal]

yes. You can use software called umodel to export the meshes from the game files and use that as a scale reference

[dawn zinc]

Oh wow okay. For characters I'll stick to your original numbers, but good to know for everything else

Sweet, I'm familiar with umodel

[dry shoal]

in my original github report it has two versions back to back, one of them works perfectly fine and the other doesn't. So there's some input-related change between the bridge builds I mentioned on github that is leading to this behavior

the versions are quite literally back to back, it should narrow things significantly

[dawn zinc]

Do you know where the characters are stored by any chance? I have a feeling I'm not pulling all of this games assets lol

[dry shoal]

animations are where skinned meshes/characters are

[dawn zinc]

Handsome clone

[dry shoal]

but yeah just to clarify if it's needed, this is only for meshes that are replaced through the remix toolkit. If a mesh has to be replaced via UE2 like character models, you're limited by what the editor can handle importing + the performance scaling of animating those vertices might not be efficient in such an old engine. From what I've been told by native SWRC modders, since I'll be replacing so few models in UE2 it should never become a concern. Unlike if it was an entire remaster fully done in UE2

[dawn zinc]

Pretty cool when you stumble upon cut content

[dry shoal]

yep, there's some neat things in there. Some haven't been shown officially so you can't recreate the intended look with only the mesh to go off of. Someone was complaining about that before and it had to be explained to them lol

someone just getting into modding, innocent question for sure

[dawn zinc]

So I'm definitely not seeing everything here, no commandos to be seen. Am I pulling from the wrong directory?

[dry shoal]

there are subcategories inside each. The clone commando will be found in the clone ukx file

also I'm not 100% sure if the helmet used in that early scene is considered it's own static mesh or of it's somehow pulled from the character model. If it's the former then that means it can be done through remix, aka you can go absolutely wild with geometric detail

like I've had meshes in the lower 6 digits in tri count so they looked quite literally perfect to the eye and I had 0 real perf drop in remix

[dawn zinc]

I meant to ask about that, regarding the helmet in prologue

[dry shoal]

I'll find out. It'll be quick

gimme a min

[dawn zinc]

Thanks. Also how do you open up the sub categories? Or should I just export and it'll pull everything?

[dry shoal]

in umodel it's just a flood of stuff from each file. So you have to keep spamming pg up or down until you get to what you want lol

at least I haven't found a better way. Though you could export the whole file I guess from there?

I haven't actually tried that before ngl

[dawn zinc]

Okay I'll try that

I'll keep saying it, thank you for answering my barrage of questions lol

And, I'll follow that up with another: So this is the scene where you meet the team, but the geo only renders if I look straight up. Know a fix? This happens in the shooting range scene as well

[dry shoal]

this has been my pride and joy for this entire year. It's awesome to have someone else messing with it so closely

[dry shoal]

sky texture related. There's two textures, one is wider horizontally and the other is 1:1. I've had issues finding both previously, but you can get around it temporarily by going to game setup and sky tuning. Then auto detect based on camera position

then remix will automatically identify the texture. It's not fully reliable which is why I don't just stick to it

and bad news, the helmet in the intro is a skinned mesh so it's gotta be replaced through UE2. However I want to check one more thing

it's highly likely it's not pulled from the commando model but instead a first person viewmodel might have the helmet

[dawn zinc]

Okay let me give the prologue another go and try that

I wish I could run this game in windowed mode lol, any idea how to do that?

[dry shoal]

directory at the top, wanna change this to true and remove the pound turning it into a comment

so making it look like this. Note I haven't tested this myself

[dry shoal]

bingo. Under the HudArms package, it's called HudArmsHelmet

[dawn zinc]

Thank you, I'll try that now

Gotcha, okay. Even with the 30k ish limit it can look really good

[dry shoal]

considering it's 4K as is? absolutely. However I do have one concern and that's related to the arms themselves. Eventually I'm gonna have to model fancy new arms so that's gonna cut into the budget at least somewhat

[dawn zinc]

So the arms and helmet will have to share a budget?

[dry shoal]

that just means I can't be as greedy with the arms, leaving tris for what's being held

[dry shoal]

since it's considered one file, yeah

actually hold on

since it's considered one file, I would assume so

I could be wrong

[dawn zinc]

So I saved that text file above and the game still runs in full screen

[dry shoal]

I'm going based on what I've been told but I was never told about the HUDarms meshes in particular. It's possible they have it attached seperately and it just shows up with it in the editor

[dry shoal]

hmm

well alt enter should work

it won't stay on every launch though

[dawn zinc]

Yep that did the trick thank you

[dry shoal]

I confirmed it's not attaching a seperate mesh, the helmet and arms are considered the same mesh so they will share the budget

but most of the arms won't be visible and with a nice normal map I can capture all the little details anyways

[dawn zinc]

It will be easier for me to take screenshots this way. So which of these is that sky texture you were mentioning?

[dry shoal]

you'll have to eyeball it. It's like a dark grayish blue texture

if you have auto detect on you don't need to worry about it right now

[dawn zinc]

Where's that option at?

[dry shoal]

second sub tab, parameter tuning

then "sky tuning"

[dawn zinc]

Oh and here's this section without a UI in front with all the emissives on

Nice that did it

[dry shoal]

WOW

that's looking so much better it's not even close

[dry shoal]

[dry shoal]

hello??? based department???

[dry shoal]

lmao this is awesome

I wonder how they'd look if you used only emissives

[dry shoal]

you can disable the original game lights being translated using that parameter tuning tab

[dry shoal]

I gotta fix the clones lol

[dawn zinc]

Nah they're just shadow troopers

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-badum-tss-drum-joke-unimpressed-gif-7770998

Do you have a good screen recording software? Would be nice if I could post videos

DANG I let it load into the next scene and I forgot how freaking badass this game is lol

[dry shoal]

I just use Nvidia's built in one. If you have the overlay enabled it's alt + f9

[dry shoal]

that's exactly how I felt when I was looking into Remix. I only started the project because I found out Remix was compatible with this game and I remembered it from when I was a kid. Playing through parts of it now it's like "goddamn I had it good"

lol

[dry shoal]

oh, now imagine it with all new custom models and PBR materials. It will look fucking awesome, I can guarantee it

[dawn zinc]

I actually liked that it pulled all the lights, I went in and turned off ones I felt were made obsolete by the emissives, though I'll probably need to go back in and add my own to fill the gap

Is there a setting to turn off emissive lighting?

[dry shoal]

you can lower emissive strength to 0 under I think alpha blending in the overlay?

in the rendering tab

[dawn zinc]

But wil that turn off emissive effect or just make it so that it doesn't cast light

[dry shoal]

you can turn them on or off globally in the overlay as well

[dawn zinc]

Also this keyboard and mouse bug makes me want to cry lol it's impossible to do console commands

[dry shoal]

they're both combined. If it's emissive it casts light. Pathtracing n all that

[dawn zinc]

Ah I see

Kamino might just be emissive city lol

[dry shoal]

that's why I've been badgering Mark and co to fix that bug it's a regression from a while ago. I made a big discovery with it today so hopefully they have almost all that they need

[dawn zinc]

My work around right now is to move my mouse in circles while typing with one hand lol

So is there a way to control the brightness of the sky?

The ending scene looks almost cool but the time of day is off

Didn't know you could choke out the Kaminoans LOL

[dry shoal]

yes, also in sky tuning

[dry shoal]

honestly that's something that might wanna be handled by auto exposure tuning. Everything's too bright across the board imo, so that would also address the sky if messed with. Also in the rendering tab under post processing

[dawn zinc]

Agreed, I'll take a look

I sure did pick the most annoying level to do since it auto ends lol

[dry shoal]

there's a console command that makes it all slowmotion

i think it's literally slomo

btw I also have untextured meshes for kamino that someone else made but I never got around to yk, texturing

environmental stuff

[dawn zinc]

The post processing helps immensely

[dry shoal]

lemme know what you got it set to for reference

[dawn zinc]

Going to try and capture a video if it from start to finish, I just turned off auto exposure and adjusted some settings for bloom and sky lighting. I'll get exact values for you

[dry shoal]

I'm gonna be chilling for a bit but I got back to my SBD a bit. Unsure if I should see it through

all things considered he ain't bad

[dawn zinc]

You should, it will help you learn! And also make the project look better

[dry shoal]

definitely

I threw an earlier version into the remix toolkit to put side-by-side as a proof of concept. Keep in mind this is added through Remix, so not fitting the UE2 budget. It's totally static @dawn zinc

the lighting is just wild when paired with PBR, even with a placeholder solid color metal

[dawn zinc]

That's cool, that budget is going to be tough with full characters but it's doable

What's the tri count max?

Also managed to take a video. There are some errors throughout that I might need your help with, but for a days work it's not too shabby

For example, particles are rendering on top of everything else, and at the helmet scene there's a black flickering effect on some of the divider walls to the left and right of the player

Also during the gunship scene, the lights that I assume are supposed to be inside of the gunship do not stay glued to the gunship

The black dividers in question in the remix editor

[dry shoal]

the particle rendering issue is because I mistakenly tagged the rain as UI, so it acts as an overlay. The black flickering I've never actually figured out

[dry shoal]

because it's not attached to the gunship. In the original game is a generic weak light so you can see the clones better moving into the gunship. There's lots of "arbitrary" lights like that, especially later on

[dawn zinc]

I see, thank you for the info

I also noticed we're not able to set things as double sided, is that a limitation of RC?

[dry shoal]

limitation of original meshes. If you add in a new mesh to replace it, you can make it two sided

also I got a new ground material I'll be testing in the geonosis arena (after I game )

will share shots when I have em

[dawn zinc]

Oooo noice

[dry shoal]

btw if you wanna know 100% for certain what meshes can be replaced through the remix toolkit, activate the debug view and set it to geometry hash. Seizure warning unironically. But if the color of an object changes, rapidly or not, it can't be done through remix

[dawn zinc]

Thanks for the tip

The mouse/keyboard bug is making this take so much longer than it needs too lol. I'm trying to pause during each scene to get better captures

[dry shoal]

it should be relatively easy to get captures I would think

just gotta be fast enough changing the naming

[dawn zinc]

It's being able to put the playersonly command in time to pause the game and then noclip to get a bit more of the capture

But because the prologue moves along, if it doesn't take the input I have to restart the level lol

Also mix in the odd crash

[dry shoal]

I will never understand that bug. Praying Nvidia fixes it

the crashing is related to inputs as well

[dawn zinc]

Am I able to attach lights to stuff like the gunship so that the lights move with it?

Kinda like how they intended originally

[dry shoal]

unlucky because it's probably not a stable mesh, but I could be wrong. You'd know if you checked the debug view

looks like this if you haven't done it yet. Really short clip of the helmet being unstable

[dry shoal]

but also keep in mind I have the ability to do stuff beyond what the Remix toolkit would otherwise allow. Whether that'll come in handy or not for Kamino, I'm not sure yet

[dawn zinc]

I just overhauled the lighting a ton, I'll test if the lights actually stay glued to the vehicles

If so it's about to get spicy

[dawn zinc]

Definitely lots of tweaking to be done, certain scenes are too dark or too bright, but it's so cool to see this game with proper RTX tech going on

[static mason]

One word

[dawn zinc]

Spoiler alert the lights definitely do stick to moving objects. So that final scene has a lot of opportunity for moving lights

[dry shoal]

this isn't a given, like I said it depends on whether the geometry is stable in remix, so it looks like the LAAT is but for instance I know the clones and various particle effects are not

but

[dry shoal]

it looks absolutely astounding

I'm super duper impressed 🙂 and this is without real asset replacements. It can go so much further

[dawn zinc]

Thank you very much. This program is so much fun

I think once I get the lighting to a stage that I like I'll experiment with some asset swaps

[dry shoal]

roger. I think it's pretty damn close honestly. Btw, if you hit the two toggles under texture categorization it'll show you everything that's tagged. Under UI you can easily remove the rain particles from UI so you don't get the weird overlay issue

imo that vid is another one for #showcase . Awesome rep for SWRC in Remix

[dawn zinc]

Thanks for the tip, I'll try that on my next test

I'll probably fix the particle situation first before I post but hopefully that generates more buzz for this game

[dry shoal]

to give one example of what I'm able to do when the API is plugged into Remix/the game (not in the zip file from earlier), we're able to attach dedicated cylinder light sources to each and every blaster projectile. In a couple of those scenes the lighting would be so much more dynamic

[dry shoal]

truly the biggest limitation is art assets. Shit can look real good real fast with just custom materials

if more artists came by to make their contributions it would be a big deal

[dawn zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/starship-troopers-gif-18102989

Man I do not get tired of hearing this games soundtrack on repeat

[dawn zinc]

Next thing that’s not working right is the blaster bolts. Either they are full bright but render in front of everything, or they render in the right order but are very dim

[dry shoal]

did you apply an emissive to it in the toolkit?

[dawn zinc]

Nope, is there a way to find that material? Or do I have to do a capture at the exact moment they're shooting?

[dawn zinc]

Wow nice, is that parallax?

[dry shoal]

yep, POM

[dawn zinc]

This game could look so insanely good

[dry shoal]

yeah in the capture the projectile needs to be present. But if you have a capture of the firing range room it has to be there

[dawn zinc]

I'm in the projectile room, is there some sort of outliner where I can see a list of everything

I can't see it on screen to click it

[dry shoal]

nope lol. Now's when you begin to run into some of the common complaints about the toolkit

might have to grab another capture. But the blaster bolts should show up by default without issue

[dawn zinc]

I found it, wow that is hard to see my goodness

[dry shoal]

yepp

btw if you want to have an emissive on it you need to adjust the alpha blend settings in the toolkit for the projectile. It's one of the dropdowns. You want to enable testing, set it to color emissive, and set the test to "greater than" or something like that

if the projectile shows properly then you're good to put an emissive map on it

I'm gonna call it a night since it's late as hell lol. But your messing around has gotten me more motivated again

[dawn zinc]

Can't quite get it bright, even with how high the value is. I imagine it's one of these alpha blending settings

Sounds good man, thanks for all the help. Have a good rest

[dry shoal]

click off of it and click back on. Sometimes it's bugged

if it's not that, set the test type to color instead of color emissive. The emissive map may work then

[hardy quail]

I swear on my life if anyone over brights the commando visors ill time travel and take away RC

[static mason]

We have been quite unwell lately. When we can provide updates we will

Sorry we are taking so long 😦

Our ||anorexia|| has been hitting us bad lately as well

We know we should not be complaining as we know there are people who have it way worse than we do we are just mentioning what is going on lately

[dark lava]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic-movie-gif-8099861505342108139

IGN journalist, huh? How lucky i did a logo for the moment, now there might be a chance my logo would be seen by many more people outside of here

[hardy quail]

Yall dont gotta worry about using assets from other games, legally according to disneys EULA cross porting (star war game to star war game) is acceptable, and in our case its a decent course of action for certain things, especially environments

Working with BF3 legacy we got an IGN article and that entire mod is made from assets literally stolen from LucasArts database that no one but us has

[dry shoal]

Interesting, I had no clue. Well in that case it gets a lot more complicated. I do want to use custom models as part of giving this project its own unique identity, but that could end up being naive

[hardy quail]

Its not that you cant use custom models but you can mix them to make your life that much easier, especially when it comes to environments, like for geonosis, EAFront is loaded with assets for that environment, same with kashyyyk, but custom assets still can be used alongside them

[dry shoal]

well I picked up ninja ripper to start experimenting

and I'm having a hard time figuring it out

[hardy quail]

Depends what game you are trying to rip

[hardy quail]

When it comes to EA stuff ninja doesn’t work but there are plenty of extractors depending on le game

[dry shoal]

wtf

I found a guide onlinethat explicitly said ninjaripper could be used

[hardy quail]

Bro cooked you

EAs rendering API blocks ninja afaik

Although

It does work for textures

[dry shoal]

DX12 doesn't work but DX11 supposedly does

that said it's not hooking in the first place it seems. Hooks into the EA app but not the game

[hardy quail]

Dx11 works with ninjaripper 2

[dry shoal]

I have ninjaripper 2

I threw $5 at it for convenience's sake

[past escarp]

If you want to rip anything from most of EA's Star Wars games, the best option is the Frosty Editor.
https://github.com/CadeEvs/FrostyToolsuite/releases

You don't even need to be in game. You can rip models and textures using Frosty's interface.

[dry shoal]

welp there goes 5 bucks lol

thanks, trying it now

I have no clue what I'm doing

nvm

the quality of this mesh is worse than I expected

[past escarp]

The LOD models can be pretty atrocious. Anything past the second LOD model is a crapshoot in terms of how they look.

[dry shoal]

this is LOD0

so because I'm so goddamn stubborn with no self restraint, instead of getting the whole clone together I just started making my own version

I'm grabbing a cherry coke

[hardy quail]

They abused decimate sadly

The stormtrooper model isnt even mirrored

[dry shoal]

lmao no way

[hardy quail]

For a lot of the gcw stuff they literally just scanned the props, decimated, put in game

Which, TBF works

Because no ones looking it at that close in game

[hardy quail]

Like you didnt even notice how messy it is until you got your hands on the real thing

[dry shoal]

that and they have normal map baking

[hardy quail]

Yes that as well

[dawn zinc]

Too busy to reply right now @dry shoal But I used frosty to rip the commando yesterday

I can show you how to use it

Not having to make custom models will save us a lifetime of work and effort

I’ll be on in a couple hours

[dry shoal]

I was able to export some stuff but I'm kinda feeling my way around. No rush since I'm gonna take a break

[hardy quail]

Id go with custom models for characters and shit tbh

Would better match the originals

And also EAs commando is a crime

[dry shoal]

yeah the bf2 designs are quite different

[dry shoal]

that too

I think it's fair to use the existing models for environmental stuff though? idk, this has me rethinking a lot

[hardy quail]

Youve been doing amazing with your custom models so far

[hardy quail]

Oh yeah fs

[dry shoal]

if only I could properly finish one in totality lol

[hardy quail]

Itd be smart to do that, not only because of the sheer volume but also because they arent center of attention

[hardy quail]

The SBD looks good for what it is

And the DC15

[dry shoal]

I'm likely gonna redo this one

the SBD I think I'm gonna un-drop it and work off of what I have

[hardy quail]

Practice makes perfect fr

[dry shoal]

no kidding. I've had a lot of desire to just start over a lot of things because having an earlier idea of what to do helps a ton

using the BF2EA meshes as a base is dramatically better for many of the models. The left is a low poly retopo of the BF2EA mesh with subd. The right is the same but from the original clone helmet mesh

I did these really quick to be clear, they'd be cleaned up if I finished em

[hardy quail]

Still the left looks pretty good

[dry shoal]

underlying topology respectively

[dry shoal]

oh I agree, it's definitely the way to go for new models

just having extra geo by default gives more definition

[hardy quail]

I think i showed my super commando model that i retopod off a model meant for 3d printing

[dry shoal]

oh yeah you never showed. Looks real nice. Same strategy then?

[dawn zinc]

I don’t remember the commando model being that bad for BF2. It can always be adjusted to better match the original

At the very least the base clone troopers since those are derived from Lucas film models

@hardy quail if you have a list of adjustments the BF2 model would need to be more accurate that would be helpful too. I haven’t looked at them side by side

[hardy quail]

They arent sadgely

[dawn zinc]

I’m on my way home now so I’ll crack the models open in a few minutes

[hardy quail]

They are based on them but still wildly different

At least when it comes to the ep3 clones

[dry shoal]

made color adjustments to the arena ground

[dry shoal]

we'd be using phase 1 only

[hardy quail]

Lookin good

[dawn zinc]

Nice work

[hardy quail]

Oh yeah i know forgot i was in the rc chat

I have a hatred for dices ep3 clone

[dawn zinc]

I bet we could pull rock assets from BF2 for Geonosis

Would complement your ground textures well

[dry shoal]

absolutely and my god do I want to because I fucking suck dick at making rocks I've tried for months

[dawn zinc]

I stayed up till 3AM last night trying to get the intro for extreme prejudice running lol. That mission is a lot more complicated

Making rocks is one of the hardest things you can do for games, that’s no joke

[hardy quail]

I love the LOD trooper at the top

[dawn zinc]

Making good ones, I mean

Do you use megascans at all @dry shoal ?

[dry shoal]

if you mean the fly in cutscene it's actually not too bad, but there's a ghosting issue with the clone trooper onboard that I haven't figured out

[dry shoal]

no, iirc megascans is only free to use for UE projects

[dawn zinc]

Yes that issue I was running into

[dawn zinc]

And certain lights are not actually changing properly from my edits in remix

[dawn zinc]

Let’s just use that for all the clones

[hardy quail]

Truly next gen

[dry shoal]

depends on what you parent the lights to. If the parent isn't rendering the lights won't show

[dawn zinc]

They’re pre existing lights from the capture so maybe that’s why

Is there a way to animate them turning on and off?

[dry shoal]

not unless you find a parent mesh that goes on and off too. For animated lights like that we'll be using the Remix API

leon has been working on making a way to interface with UE2 that will tell Remix what to draw and when, so we have finer control

well he's largely gotten it working. Just polishing now I believe

[dawn zinc]

Nice

I might have a workaround for now for the EP intro sequence

I want a red light in the gunship at the beginning but I want it to shut off when you’re flying down the elevator shaft and it gets all dark. I think I got a trick I can use for that

Oh also, I wasn’t able to get the rain to work properly for prologue. Either it’s not set to UI and blocks lights, or it’s set to UI and renders out of order

[dry shoal]

yep, sounds about right with my experimenting

[dawn zinc]

Okay now I'm back at my desk and I can write out my thoughts a little more eloquently

In regards to what characters you are building from scratch vs reusing from existing titles, my advice would be to pick and choose your battles wisely given the resources at hand

Certain characters have to be rebuilt from the ground up. The Geonosians, the Kaminoans, the Trandoshans, and the Wookiees for example. They are all organic and will require sculpting, which is it's own beast entirely

Other characters, like the clones and droids, while maybe not up to movie standard (regarding BF2 assets) are at the very least extremely close and would only require some tuning to get them to look right

Not trying to discourage you from modeling these characters out on your own, I think that adds value to your mod and also is valuable for you to learn, but to model out every character in the game would take you, or even a small team, an eternity

If, from a legal standpoint, something can be reused, I think it would be in your best interest to so that you aren't stretched to thin. Though I'm not a lawyer and don't know the ins and outs of all that

Anyways, let me crack open these character files and see what we've got

Question, since I'm not as familiar with Blender. Do you know how to get this character to go back to the reset pose? That way I can use it as a base to apply another model to

Or maybe I did something wrong when exporting out of UE2

Also, this was the only model that I was able to get exported. I didn't get the commando model from RC out of UE

[dry shoal]

the little dude over there

also I'm partial to bforartists over vanilla blender. More intuitive interface with the same functionality

see the right side here? set it to rest position and you're good

[dry shoal]

also just to give some background, my mod as it stands now aims to over up through Geonosis. I'm not planning on covering the game as a whole. That might change in the future depending on how things look later on but that's to keep things relatively in scope

[dawn zinc]

Thank you that did the trick!

Ah gotcha, that's fair

Do you know where to find the commandos? And also their viewarms too?

[dry shoal]

should be in the clones package too

[dawn zinc]

Should it be here in the blender scene?

[burnt light]

game companies crack down on people using their assets all the time. i'd say it can't really be reused

[dry shoal]

no because you can only export one mesh at a time

[dry shoal]

according to @hardy quail they have a policy where it's fine as long as it's still used within the context of star wars. So no GMOD/other random mods

@dawn zinc

only blurry bc it's a generic texture

[dawn zinc]

That's a handsome boy

[burnt light]

i'd quadruple check that before doing anything with it

[dawn zinc]

Not a bad idea

[dry shoal]

currently I'm still aiming to have my own models so I'll definitely check if it comes to it

[dawn zinc]

@dry shoal Do you need a rigged character or do you just need the replacement model in the same position as the RC model?

[burnt light]

i can't find anything on it. just an unanswered question on their forums: https://answers.ea.com/t5/STAR-WARS-Battlefront-II/Quick-question-about-Copyright-of-Game-Assets/td-p/9826585

i'd recommend just doing your own models still

[dry shoal]

it's probably a more general policy rather than BF2 specific, if such a policy exists

[burnt light]

i was searching for star wars + EA in general

[dry shoal]

AFAIK it only needs the same matching bone structure and its own weight painting

I've gotten an outside clone mesh in UE2 before but at the time I didn't know wtf weight painting even was so it had odd deformations. Still worked though

[dawn zinc]

Gotcha, I know how to weight paint. I'll get you something nice

[dry shoal]

my hero <3

[dawn zinc]

I'll trade you a spiffy clone model for helping me make my blaster bolts not look like dookie lol

[dry shoal]

that I can do

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1200925027554558034/1251624585955377376/light2.mp4?ex=66cc337b&is=66cae1fb&hm=23a465aa7d202c8269ab16bef74000db36a5e88b12afdaa3b6068627cd1f087f&

[dawn zinc]

Yes I'd love them to look like that

[dry shoal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1200925027554558034/1234332282626506823/laserboltlighttest_2.mp4?ex=66cc92c4&is=66cb4144&hm=b423deb080f0a312d998b8e7b2dc87eb119bb1e62133cea6a96aa4efaed252f0&

two different tests at different times

[dawn zinc]

Also the emissives I sent yesterday should have the emissive for the rifle if you haven't tried plugging that in

[dry shoal]

awesome. Honestly my dumb ass totally forgot so I'll have to do that lol

[dawn zinc]

Lol okay cool

[dry shoal]

crazy how much edge sharpening alone can do

this was a one click thing so not optimal but a glimpse

[dawn zinc]

Nice

[static mason]

I saw glimpse and thought of that one meme "thought I'd make family guy evil just a dark glimpse into my shadow reality", either way Hella cool quick fix™️

[dry shoal]

are you looking at the commando or just the clone model?

[dawn zinc]

Honestly should just swap out all the clones for Peter

At this moment I am looking at the base clone, I haven't jumped back into umodel yet

[dry shoal]

gotcha. Just a heads up that I have started my own

[dawn zinc]

Me when

Nice

Are you using this same mesh as a base for your high poly?

[dry shoal]

if you wanna try getting the BF2 model in-game then replacing it later that works

[dry shoal]

what I'm making now is going to be the high poly

bc it's subd based

[dawn zinc]

Right, but are you building that on top of any existing model? I remember you mentioning that before

[dry shoal]

here's with the subd on

[dry shoal]

yes, on top of the BF2EA

[dawn zinc]

Gotcha okay, nice

[hardy quail]

As mentioned EA falls under disney EULA (for star war games) which, although a little gray, generally allows for star war game to star war game ports

Although statistically they dont give a shit

There are hundreds of star wars mods for other games blatantly ripping from ea and disney alot

[burnt light]

that's the most common argument of people here. "a lot of people do it, so it's fine"

[hardy quail]

Thats why i mentioned their EULA

[burnt light]

but still, as you admit it's a gray area

[dawn zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-objection-capcom-gif-20965907

[dry shoal]

@dawn zinc this is how I'm doing it. I imported the BF2EA piece, imported the original clone model in rest pose, then moved + scaled the helmet to closely match the proportions. Then I build on top

[hardy quail]

Yes but the odds they come after us specifically are basically 0, sure they can come at anyone randomly but they could come at us just for being a mod for RC, my prime example is BF2 classics BF3 mod using assets stolen straight from disney that nobody else has

[dry shoal]

consider that this project may be shown off officially by nvidia however

[hardy quail]

Doesnt matter because odds are disney already knows about us

[burnt light]

it's still a risk. and telling people that it's okay to do it because of their EULA, then saying afterward that it's actually a gray area and there's still a risk is kinda BS

[dry shoal]

I agree with your general premise but I'd want to go crystal clear with the EULA before committing to the idea

[hardy quail]

They know how much their assets are stolen, they arent stupid and they also know its free advertising

People see RTX RC, people want to play it but dont own RC, they buy RC and disney makes money

[hardy quail]

Ive been around the star wars modding scene for 7ish years now and theyve never once gone after a modding project

Theyve only blasted stand alone games

[burnt light]

barely anyone outside of the modding scene really knows about Remix, let alone the Remix mods being worked on in this server. i very highly doubt anyone at Disney knows any of their properties are being worked on with it

and i do not care about that. stop advocating for people to steal assets from a game under the premise of it being "okay"

[dawn zinc]

At the very least, the BF2 assets would be placeholder until custom models could be built to replace them. But as far as getting things moving I don't think having them as placeholders does any harm

[burnt light]

the last thing we (mod developers and the server itself) need is a company coming after us for assets being stolen

[hardy quail]

Youd be surprised by what disney pays attention to, they knew about an obscure mod and used it in an official release 🤣 all im sayin is that under EULA it should be okay but for yalls sake ill get the specific parts of it

I do understand what you mean though dont get me wrong

Even a minor risk like that could get this server and potentially even remix as a whole at risk

[dry shoal]

the big thing really has to do with Nvidia and Kim wanting to err on the side of caution. Which I think is much more justified in this instance vs any generic low key mod

[burnt light]

if you can link the EULA you're referencing and the specific part, and explain why it's okay, this would be more acceptable

but so far you keep referencing a EULA and claiming it's okay, while also using the words "steal" and "gray area" lol

[dry shoal]

I think using them as placeholders and/or references to retopo trace over is guaranteed to be fine

[hardy quail]

Ill get more specifics, i dont know the EULA off the top of my head so im trying to word it in a neitrsl way if that makes sense

[hardy quail]

Yes thats completely understandable

[dry shoal]

it's something to definitely have in mind, we'll see the exact wording later on 🙂

[dawn zinc]

What's the tri limit for UE2 again?

For our clone boy

[dry shoal]

the editor crashes after 30ish K

below that is fine

[dawn zinc]

Okay, I'll aim for 29k then

[static mason]

29,999 tri blaster bolt mesh

[dawn zinc]

Oh by the way, how do I go about getting a role in here?

[burnt light]

bottom of #rules

[static mason]

Oh thats how

[dawn zinc]

Thank you!

I am now yellow flavor

[dawn zinc]

Almost done with the clone trooper

[dawn zinc]

Credit where it's due to the original RC devs because the proportions were not that far off

The arms are a smidge longer but that was the only real difference

[dry shoal]

did you not scale to the RC one first? lol

[dry shoal]

as long as the bones are in the right spots relative to eachother that should be fine

[dawn zinc]

No I did, just making sure the meshes generally occupy the same space and the only outlier was a slight difference in arm length

[dry shoal]

ah gotcha

[dawn zinc]

But yeah, now to skin him to the RC rig

[dry shoal]

so exciting

[dawn zinc]

Then our "more common brethren" will look nice and cool

[dry shoal]

how many tris did you get?

[dawn zinc]

26k

[dry shoal]

nice

[dawn zinc]

What's awesome is the BF2 models all include LODs

So if a model is too high you just swap down an LOD, even down to different sections of the model

[dry shoal]

oh so if you use a lower LOD you've got a good base

[dawn zinc]

So the helmet is LOD0 since that's a focal point, body is LOD1, and gloves are LOD0 since those look better when deforming with more geo

[dry shoal]

that's smart

[dawn zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/mogger-mind-moggermind-мегамозг-мьюинг-мегамозг-мьюинг-gif-16212916096529261739

Me when rain partiles don't sort correctly

[dry shoal]

helmet is coming along nicely

[dawn zinc]

How are materials going to work on him? Does he need to be all one material?

Or is it okay to have separate materials?

@dry shoal

[dawn zinc]

With the power of RTX, all clones will be wearing Aladdin™ kicks

[dry shoal]

Materials don't matter, they can be configured however you like. I know one modder had a dedicated helmet texture so they could push more detail into it. That works fine

[dawn zinc]

Sweet, okay that's good to know

This will just be inheriting the BF2 materials for now since that is the simplest approach

[dry shoal]

Remember we wanna apply those textures through Remix. Technically you could import it without a texture in UE2

[dawn zinc]

Right, the textures are good to go. I'm almost done skinning, just have to do his left hand and he'll be good to go

As to avoid sharing assets like this in this discord I'll send it to you privately

[dawn zinc]

Alright, he's rigged and ready to go

@dry shoal would you mind walking me through getting him into UE2 to get him into RC?

[dry shoal]

rigged using the original rig right?

[dawn zinc]

Yes

This is on the same skeleton as the RC one

[dry shoal]

and yeah there's a "destructive" way of doing it which I'm aware of. I've heard there's another way that stores it as its own thing but I don't know about it yet so I'll tell you this one

if you wanna not worry about losing anything just backup the clone package under animations

[dawn zinc]

Okay, backed up

[dry shoal]

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1. open CTEditor
2. Access the animations browser. If you don't have the seperate window with it already opened, hit the A icon at the top bar of the editor
3. Open the clone package, set mesh to CloneTrooper
4. Cycle through LOD mesh levels to LOD level 0, it's an icon at the top of the browser with a few orange squares. Hovering your mouse also says what it is
5. Click the icon to import a single LOD mesh, it's one step to the right of the LOD cycle button. Select your .psk file with the new model. If you need to export to .psk and are using blender, use this addon: https://github.com/DarklightGames/io_scene_psk_psa
6. LOD0 of the CloneTrooper mesh should now be replaced with the new appropriate mesh
7. Click the Redigest LOD level, the icon is again to the right and has a orange box with an arrow pointing to it

This should have UE2 create it's own lower LOD versions. We can adjust the LOD transition distance easily but I can share that separately

@dawn zinc

[dawn zinc]

Not seeing the LOD button in step 4

[dry shoal]

I'm guessing you have a 4K monitor? the editor is cutting off your buttons

you might have to override the DPI scaling

[dawn zinc]

I do

[dry shoal]

do you know how to override DPI scaling on a program? I honestly am unaware I just know that it can be done

[dawn zinc]

Okay I got the button but now I can't see the asset

[dry shoal]

it might be scaling related. By default blender measures in meters while UE2 measures in cm. So unless I'm dumb that would mean it's possible your model is 100x bigger than intended