Team Fortress 2

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i can try a server on the 2007 build rq

[latent pulsar]

whatever he says

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yep

forces insecure

[small wadi]

car

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lmao

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WOO HOO!

[small wadi]

anyway I'll probably look into this tomorrow, got food and events

[latent pulsar]

thank you blue

[blazing torrent]

well if modern ends up working, do we maintain 2 vers of tf2 for rtx?

[latent pulsar]

yeah

we can make two threads

[blazing torrent]

maybe make a thread for modern, there is already so much for this 2007 build lol

and im almost done making logos and readmes 🥹

(WIP but im trying to match the logo lmao)

[hard ginkgo]

btw guys, the only server that its avalible

actually works

[latent pulsar]

?

[hard ginkgo]

and its safe

[blazing torrent]

hu? oh did i launch my game in insecure mode lmao

so it doesnt do a check against the binaries?

[hard ginkgo]

its vac proctected and everything

[latent pulsar]

uh oh

maybe cause its 2007?

or no

nvm

let me check something rq

[blazing torrent]

well its sdk2013 but its bad if it doesnt enforce signatures for binaries

[latent pulsar]

yeah

[blazing torrent]

ok so im launching it without insecure

it still doesnt join

@hard ginkgo how did you join? lol

[hard ginkgo]

uh

i joined normally

[blazing torrent]

ok im gonna like tripple check my launch args

[hard ginkgo]

look-

i dont have a name but ignore that lol

[blazing torrent]

im still getting the insecure error

tf

[hard ginkgo]

do you see someone in the server?

it should show 1 player

[blazing torrent]

yes

[hard ginkgo]

its me

idk why its not working for you-

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wait did you modify the client by any chance?

like the dll

[hard ginkgo]

i used the one that was send here

[blazing torrent]

you used the engine, not client, i didnt share that

[hard ginkgo]

that

[blazing torrent]

im gonna try stock client lmao

[hard ginkgo]

nope

i edit nothing

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its probably my patched one

[hard ginkgo]

sadly the water doesnt work on multiplayer

so it just look w h i t e

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sv_pure prob lol

[hard ginkgo]

yup

[blazing torrent]

still cant join

i have no idea lol

[hard ginkgo]

wa-

[latent pulsar]

commands?

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hl2.exe -game tf_port -novid -dxlevel 90 -nod3d9ex +mat_dxlevel 90 +mat_disable_d3d9ex 1 -w 1280 -h 720 -noborder -windowed +sv_cheats 1 +r_3dsky 0 +r_WaterDrawReflection 0 +r_WaterDrawRefraction 0 +r_shadows 0 +r_frustumcullworld 0 +r_unloadlightmaps 1 1 +mat_specular 0 +mat_bumpmap 0 +mat_normalmap 0 +mat_parallaxmap 0 +r_staticprop_lod 0 +r_lod 0 -console

[hard ginkgo]

im not drinking that water

[blazing torrent]

mmm dirty

[hard ginkgo]

[latent pulsar]

yummy hydro water

[blazing torrent]

@hard ginkgo how does hydro run on your machine without culling lol, i was getting like 12-18fps

[blazing torrent]

iirc its probbably the biggest map in the whole game

[hard ginkgo]

i run it at 30 fps almost always

i think ik why

i might have installed the patch on the wrong way?

i still see some culling

[blazing torrent]

you might not have the engine patches? that might explain why you can join servers lol

[hard ginkgo]

but for some reason it only happens whit "props" not terrain

[blazing torrent]

oh

then thats probably LODs

[hard ginkgo]

hmm

[blazing torrent]

im about to release the new guide so hopefully we'll have a clean way of installing it

then we can test the mp stuff

[hard ginkgo]

i hope..

but

what message do you get when joining?

[blazing torrent]

that im in insecure mode

even though im not lol

[hard ginkgo]

did you check your propieties in steam?

[blazing torrent]

are you running it through steam?

[hard ginkgo]

yup

wait

you running it whithout it?

how-

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that might be why lol, most of the cvars dont fit in the steam properties

we're installing it directly to the SDK

instead of a source mod

[hard ginkgo]

OOOH

so thats why i can join servers

[blazing torrent]

i can try to prune some cvars to make it fit in the app properties on steam

but we probably need all of them

ill let you know

[hard ginkgo]

still weird that this "thornskade" guy still hosting a server in such an old version of tf2

also this server been running for a while wth

[blazing torrent]

i probably wouldnt trust it lol

[hard ginkgo]

i check console and everything

i think its safe

[blazing torrent]

since the sourcemod is from 2019, its open to a lot of RCEs lmao

[hard ginkgo]

oh-

i found his profile though..

[blazing torrent]

i doubt anyone here would do it but we need a proper secure server so no one gets hacked lol

[hard ginkgo]

true

i really want to know how fps would go whit 20 people on 1 server

[blazing torrent]

not much if the server is hosting it, but your fps will TANK if you have no culling on a large map

we're probably not gonna be GPU bound at all with how we're running the game

[hard ginkgo]

true..

[blazing torrent]

though that being said, in a few weeks i should have some money to host a VPS, so if we dont have a dedicated server yet, i can host it

[hard ginkgo]

Can't we use a pc?

[blazing torrent]

sure but its more safe for me lol

i dont want to host it on my home network

[hard ginkgo]

oh

[blazing torrent]

still wip but i think im getting closer to the original logo look

gave up manually making the gradient silhouette with lines and instead made a silhouette in blender lol

[blazing torrent]

ok full guide is out

https://github.com/sambow23/TF2RTX-Stuff

im going to bed lol

im sure i missed something

[restive jasper]

what did you change in client and engine?

the engine is bigger now, did you add anything?

the new engine crashes my game

[scenic belfry]

water

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ooblek

[restive jasper]

@blazing torrent patched engine crashes my game

i think lod should be enabled

3dsky works (low quality for some reason and can see the small skybox)

there

[scenic belfry]

sharp shadows

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yummy

[tiny bay]

campaign game

[latent pulsar]

i sense ultra performance

[blazing torrent]

did i upload the wrong one?🥹

[blazing torrent]

lods aren't really going to help performance since we're not gpu bound

[latent pulsar]

also yeah my game won't launch

[blazing torrent]

try this one

i thought this was the one i uploaded though

[hard ginkgo]

i tried the installation method that is pinned but for some reason the game just doesn't open.

And for what i see...its because the patches

[blazing torrent]

yeah looks like im gonna have to redo some stuff 🥹

ill let yall know when it's fixed

[blazing torrent]

yeah the one on github breaks my game too

ok its fixed now

https://github.com/sambow23/TF2RTX-Stuff/commit/793427e6fb420dff0ab9eb8c62b9cd6603dd5540

try downloading it again

it should have the correct size and work

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i tried hydro 55 fps but it decreases all the way to 39 when 3d skybox is on

[blazing torrent]

you have 55fps in hydro without culling?

dear lord what is your CPU

[scenic belfry]

i have the engine.dll patch only

[blazing torrent]

yeah that should remove the culling

[scenic belfry]

its at ultra perf though

[blazing torrent]

DLSS wont improve perf for CPU bound users

(in this case me)

[scenic belfry]

i have i5 10400f

[blazing torrent]

try both the patches on the github

[scenic belfry]

ok

[scenic belfry]

ok they wrk it opens the game

but the fps...

oh my

10 fps

[blazing torrent]

yeah... thats the unfortunate sacrifice

thankfully its just hydro that suffers the most

@hard ginkgo lights dont work for me in the toolkit? did you attatch them to a model or a brush?

[hard ginkgo]

to a model

btw...

something its wrong whit my game-

i did everything like in the github...

the menu its black and remix not working at all-

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oh i think i have a idea lmao

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i definitely forgot something, this is why you dont write a guide when you're sleep deprived

put this in the SDK2013 folder

[hard ginkgo]

OH DAMN

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lmk if it works

[hard ginkgo]

I FORGOT ABOUT THE DXVK

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yeah lol that's on me

[hard ginkgo]

also..

my friend can join servers-

[blazing torrent]

through steam? lol

[hard ginkgo]

i think we can actually play whit the culling fix

if we start it through steam

[blazing torrent]

ill see if i can remove some cvars then

[hard ginkgo]

now its working 👍

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Yea I have launch commands pasted in steam launch options and launch from there

[hard ginkgo]

oh but its the culling fix working for you?

[scenic belfry]

Yea it is

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yea, in this case we probably dont need most of the cvars, it was mostly from gmod

[hard ginkgo]

OMG MY FPS ARE BEING KILLED

GORE

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the power of no culling 🥹

-novid -w 1280 -h 720 -noborder -windowed +r_3dsky 0 +r_WaterDrawReflection 0 +r_WaterDrawRefraction 0 +r_shadows 0 +r_frustumcullworld 0 +r_unloadlightmaps 1 1 +mat_specular 0 +mat_bumpmap 0 +mat_normalmap 0 +mat_parallaxmap 0 +r_staticprop_lod 0 +r_lod 0

see if this fits

[scenic belfry]

Yea can we fix the fps issue? If I run 2fort in gmod patched it gives way better fps

[hard ginkgo]

im going to try something...

[blazing torrent]

its running worse? it should be on par

its the same patches

[hard ginkgo]

i think gmod have a more updated version of source

[blazing torrent]

yeah gmod is probably more multithreaded

[hard ginkgo]

for what ik the creator made some modifications

yep

[blazing torrent]

they added support a while ago

[scenic belfry]

Yea 29 fps on ultra perf as compared to 30 in just performance but imma test it again cause I tried the TF2 maps few months ago

Imma see how much fps I get in gmods 2fort at ultra perf

[blazing torrent]

there is nothing i can do with the sdk 2013 codebase to make it multithreaded or run better lol, we need someone with a lot more experience

[hard ginkgo]

CR

I MADE IT WORK

WHIT THE CULLING FIX

LETS GOO

[blazing torrent]

made what?

[hard ginkgo]

multiplayer

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mp?

without steam?

[hard ginkgo]

whit steam

but still

its working whit the fixes

sadly we can't make it work whithout steam though.

[blazing torrent]

that's fine, we should take the steam sourcemod approach anyway lol

[hard ginkgo]

true

anyway

i just moved tf_port to sourcemod after i did all the fixes and stuff

and opened through steam

[blazing torrent]

yeah its not working correctly for me either lol

RT works but the UI is broken

i think we need those cvars

[hard ginkgo]

wa-

[blazing torrent]

also its not loading my rtx.conf?

it seemed to make a new one

nothing is tagged

[scenic belfry]

Dang that happened to me yesterday in CSS

I replaced it again and it fixed it

[blazing torrent]

i think for this case, its how steam is loading the game

[blazing torrent]

when you ran it from steam the first time, did you just run SDK 2013 mp with -game tf_port?

[hard ginkgo]

multiplayer working whithout any light problem!!!

only lights being created infront of me

but that can be fixed by making the lights manually

[blazing torrent]

yes thats the light culling issue

right

ok so i fixed the steam issue

it just needs -dxlevel 70

[hard ginkgo]

can you join?

[blazing torrent]

yep

lol

[hard ginkgo]

:0

[restive jasper]

what

what's wrong with 90

[scenic belfry]

Imma also join if nothing goes wrong

[restive jasper]

i think i missed something

how do i play online?

[blazing torrent]

so move the tf_port folder to steamapps/sourcemods , restart steam, put these cvars in launch options
-dxlevel 70 -novid -w 1280 -h 720 -noborder -windowed +r_3dsky 0 +r_WaterDrawReflection 0 +r_WaterDrawRefraction 0 +r_shadows 0 +r_frustumcullworld 0 +r_unloadlightmaps 1 1 +mat_specular 0 +mat_bumpmap 0 +mat_normalmap 0 +mat_parallaxmap 0 +r_staticprop_lod 0 +r_lod 0

[restive jasper]

why dxlevel is back to 70?

what changed?

[blazing torrent]

idk but the way how steam loads the game makes it load in dx8 mode, breaking the UI and hashes

[restive jasper]

you forgot a space between 70 and -novid

[blazing torrent]

oopsies

[restive jasper]

what does the dxlevel change visually?

[blazing torrent]

nothing for remix

just forces fixed function rendeirng for everything

[restive jasper]

so 90 but better?

[blazing torrent]

nah, idk why the dxlevel 90 was being ignored when we werent launching it without steam

but we do need dxlevel 70 now

[restive jasper]

the game crashes when i join the server

but offline if fine

[blazing torrent]

huh?

try adding the patches again

also dont forget the shader files from portal

[hard ginkgo]

cr dead

[restive jasper]

patches ✅
shaders ✅
everything we've established so far ✅
joining a server ❌

i'm also experiencing sound problems

[scenic belfry]

for now if i want better fps

[restive jasper]

i don't get it

+how do i fix the crashes?

can you join me?

[blazing torrent]

how are you opening the game

[restive jasper]

as a source mod

if i do a script it tells me the game is insecure or whatever

[blazing torrent]

did you try downloading the new patches from github?

[restive jasper]

i did

[hard ginkgo]

it isnt opening?

[blazing torrent]

he crashes when joining a server

[restive jasper]

i can create my own server

[hard ginkgo]

oh

[restive jasper]

but joining crashes

[hard ginkgo]

weird..

[blazing torrent]

is it the same map by any chance

[hard ginkgo]

that never happened to me before

[restive jasper]

server = 2fort
my offline play = 2fort

can you see my server?

[blazing torrent]

nada

maybe try to do a clean install of SDK 2013?

[restive jasper]

i just did that

but yeah

i'll do it again

[scenic belfry]

pie ded

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omg its switching to hydro

[tiny bay]

im dying

this guys fucking head

[hard ginkgo]

he its looking at my soul

[restive jasper]

crashed again

[blazing torrent]

maybe a bug with windows?

idk but that's odd

did you copy over the portal rtx shader dlls?

[scenic belfry]

dawn time

[hard ginkgo]

cr dead again forever and ever

[blazing torrent]

bro has hydro at night

[hard ginkgo]

why it looks like an AI generated png

[scenic belfry]

da heck hahaha yea i do look funny

[blazing torrent]

i dont think the dxvk error log is gonna give us much info

[restive jasper]

hl2_d3d9.log

nothing else

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glows

[blazing torrent]

try updating your drivers?

[restive jasper]

but it works offline

[hard ginkgo]

hmm

[blazing torrent]

it shouldnt make a difference tho, weird

[hard ginkgo]

he its opening whit steam, right?

[restive jasper]

i disabled antivirus and firewall

[restive jasper]

yes

[restive jasper]

still crash

[blazing torrent]

@restive jasper if you can port forward your server we can try joining

[restive jasper]

k

[hard ginkgo]

dont you have to make your IP public to do that?

[restive jasper]

yep

[blazing torrent]

sure but the server we're playing on is public lol

[blazing torrent]

that's why i wanted to host a server on a VPS so its safer but i dont have the cash

[restive jasper]

bypass.maksw.pl:27015

[restive jasper]

oh it just crashed

[hard ginkgo]

did you tried re-installing everything?

i never crashed on multiplayer only, its weird as hell.

[scenic belfry]

bloody day at hydro

shaft through the hole

[hard ginkgo]

i found spycrab

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress-valve-stblackst-spycrab-gif-19897322

[scenic belfry]

i found a glimps of the rare creature

[hard ginkgo]

BRO THE SPY ON THE LEFT LOL

[blazing torrent]

ok so for the safety of all users, im gonna remove the binaries again from the github repo now that i fixed the patches

ill also be updating the instructions

[restive jasper]

it the server down?

how can i host one?

i tried using hl2mp server with -game tf_port but

and base dedicated server doesn't work

[blazing torrent]

they have a dediciated server on the github
https://github.com/NicknineTheEagle/TF2-Base/releases/tag/v1.03

[restive jasper]

how do i use it?

[blazing torrent]

download this from steam

[restive jasper]

next?

[blazing torrent]

im getting there lol, hold on

add tf_port to the root of it, open a cmd window in that directory, run the server with srcds.exe -game tf_port

should just show up after that

[restive jasper]

yep

[blazing torrent]

make sure you're opening your cmd in the server path itself

[restive jasper]

i am

the fix for me is -console

[blazing torrent]

uhh thats odd

[hard ginkgo]

i finished whit custom lighting

[restive jasper]

the fix turned out to be +sv_pure 0

oh nevermind

works just fine

[blazing torrent]

nice, mind sharing the mod?

[hard ginkgo]

sure

btw i can change the sky color

well mostly like the ambience color

[restive jasper]

i'm experiencing weird audio glitches, do any of you may know why?

[blazing torrent]

does it happen for your whole system audio or just the game itself?

[restive jasper]

just the game

audio is sometimes fine and sometimes high pitched noises are coming from the game

[blazing torrent]

nothing about the patches or remix should change anything for audio, make sure you're not running any kind of audio DSP in the background

[blazing torrent]

you did make custom client patches, maybe reinstall a clean client .dll?

[restive jasper]

i'll just reinstall windows later today

[restive jasper]

i tossed them in the trash

i used provided from github page (tf2_rtx made by you)

[hard ginkgo]

(also sadly i cant add good light to the props that are supposed to glow, since they look kinda bad...)

its better if someone modify the texture to make it glow

[blazing torrent]

i could make them emissive

[hard ginkgo]

if you can it will be cool

[blazing torrent]

if we're going to make mods for remix, we should share a common file structure so when we upload it, it wont be a mess of a bunch of folders and files

[hard ginkgo]

also for this prop if you can make this one too..

it would be cool

the other lamps are fine btw

[hard ginkgo]

yup

[blazing torrent]

im not too sure on the process but it would be nice to make it look like this

from portal rtx

for now i guess we can just make them as they are

doesnt really matter until we make a pack or something

[hard ginkgo]

cr

can you check if the lights works on your game?

[blazing torrent]

sure, send it over

[hard ginkgo]

we should try to do that

i mean its not that hard to add lights but if for example, one of us do the upscale and someone else do the light we can make faster progress on maps

idk

[hard ginkgo]

on dm? or here

[blazing torrent]

here

[hard ginkgo]

alr

im dowloading 7zip

[blazing torrent]

ok readme and github is updated

https://github.com/sambow23/TF2RTX-Stuff

should be in conformance with user safety

[hard ginkgo]

i dont know if i export it on the right way

[blazing torrent]

you can package it here

updated the guide to include multiplayer setup https://github.com/sambow23/TF2RTX-Stuff/blob/main/README.md

[restive jasper]

idea: make a script that automaticly install the mod

also add a note that sourcemods folder only works where steam is installed, not where your steamlibrary is.

[blazing torrent]

yeah ill add a note then

[restive jasper]

and if i can, let me modify the repository

coauthor me or something

[blazing torrent]

I can allow PRs but i'm probably not going to do co-authors

i did credit you in the commit though

[restive jasper]

why?

[blazing torrent]

I just have a certain way of maintaining things, why do you need permission to modify the repo?

[restive jasper]

push request are fine

[blazing torrent]

i've been thinking about how i want to tackle that, mostly for gmod though

[restive jasper]

i've been thinking about a python script that grabs all the files and installs the patches

[blazing torrent]

same, but if im being honest i'd be using GPT4 to do it lol

i have the ideas and methods but im no means a programmer

[restive jasper]

i've had better succes with gemini over gpt 3.5

but if you have gpt 4 then go try it out lol

[blazing torrent]

if we're going to be using a python installer then im gonna have to follow blueamulet's way of patching the files with python, no reason to use IPS anymore lol

[restive jasper]

makes sense

[blazing torrent]

shouldnt be too hard, it basically looks for offsets in a dll and replaces the contents

ill work on it later though

[restive jasper]

what timezone are you in?

i'm in gmt+1

[blazing torrent]

GMT-5

[restive jasper]

done, made a pull request

[scenic belfry]

Dang

[blazing torrent]

merged

[restive jasper]

next time i'll add a tutorial for servers

[blazing torrent]

I dont think we need a tutorial for dedicated servers lol

[restive jasper]

i needed it so other might too

[blazing torrent]

maybe we can evaluate it based on popularity?

there isnt much going on with the project atm so at least for me personally its not high priority

[hard ginkgo]

i'm back

[hard ginkgo]

did it work?

[blazing torrent]

im just getting to it, sorry

[restive jasper]

kinda

[hard ginkgo]

no problem 👍

[blazing torrent]

oh yeah they do

[hard ginkgo]

nice

[blazing torrent]

looks great too

[hard ginkgo]

there are some places where i didnt place lights

since they looked bad

we have to edit the textures for those

like i told you before..

idk how to edit textures to make them emissive

[blazing torrent]

did you by any chance change the roughness of some things? lol

[hard ginkgo]

ye lol

[blazing torrent]

i see pipes are reflective

[hard ginkgo]

its because

we going to make new textures anyway (pbr and upscales, roughness and metallic)

so it will go away

[blazing torrent]

when i make PBR replacements and they dont work, you might have to remove them from your mod

im not sure how remix handles conflicting changes

[hard ginkgo]

okay

[blazing torrent]

just personal taste, these should probably be darker as they are in the original game

[hard ginkgo]

how much would you say?

i make them darker rg

[blazing torrent]

i would try to match it with the original, most of the inteligence room is pretty dimly lit

[restive jasper]

bit of a problem, tf2 can't detect my server:
Console initialized.
Using Breakpad minidump system. Version: 6630498 AppID: 244310
Loaded 1222 VPK file hashes from D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Source SDK Base 2013 Dedicated Server\hl2\hl2_textures.vpk for pure server operation.
Loaded 574 VPK file hashes from D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Source SDK Base 2013 Dedicated Server\hl2\hl2_sound_vo_english.vpk for pure server operation.
Loaded 383 VPK file hashes from D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Source SDK Base 2013 Dedicated Server\hl2\hl2_sound_misc.vpk for pure server operation.
Loaded 446 VPK file hashes from D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Source SDK Base 2013 Dedicated Server\hl2\hl2_misc.vpk for pure server operation.
Loaded 5 VPK file hashes from D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Source SDK Base 2013 Dedicated Server\platform\platform_misc.vpk for pure server operation.
server.dll loaded for "Team Fortress"
maxplayers set to 24
Unknown command "r_decal_cullsize"
Network: IP 127.0.0.1, mode MP, dedicated Yes, ports 27015 SV / 27005 CL
Initializing Steam libraries for secure Internet server
Logging into Steam game server account
Executing dedicated server config file server.cfg
Using map cycle file 'cfg/mapcycle_default.txt'. ('cfg/mapcycle.txt' was not found.)
SV_BroadcastMessage: Recipient Filter for message type 23 (reliable: no, init: no) with bogus client index (0) in list of 1 clients
Set motd from file 'cfg/motd_default.txt'. ('cfg/motd.txt' was not found.)
Set motd_text from file 'cfg/motd_text_default.txt'. ('cfg/motd_text.txt' was not found.)
SV_ActivateServer: setting tickrate to 66.7
'server.cfg' not present; not executing.
'ctf_2fort.cfg' not present; not executing.
Server is hibernating
Connection to Steam servers successful.
Public IP is 31.186.222.33.
Assigned persistent gameserver Steam ID [G:1:11259352].
VAC secure mode is activated.

[hard ginkgo]

okay im going to work on it rg

but i feel relieved that the lighting works

[blazing torrent]

connect with your local ip, if you're not port forwarding its not going to show on the server browser unless you ran the server in LAN mode for local play

[hard ginkgo]

now that i see

it looks better at low intensity..

it should be better now.

[blazing torrent]

also odd issue, the ligihts stay on even when i disable enhancements lmao

so i cant compare for whatever reason

also i think you missed this spot light (if it was used ingame idk)

im gonna start on PBR textures now

this is gonna suck without using AI lol

[restive jasper]

can't wait for the final result!

[hard ginkgo]

oh ye

i might forgot

its kinda hard to find all the spot lights sometimes lol

also

i fixed the intensity already

[blazing torrent]

lol no worries, 2fort has a fuck ton of lights

[hard ginkgo]

OH

you are on 2fort?

i did it whit another map on mind-

[blazing torrent]

what map was it supposed to be 💀

[hard ginkgo]

😭

[blazing torrent]

unless you started on 2fort

[hard ginkgo]

the one we played on the online server

[blazing torrent]

because there is no way these lights work across maps

[hard ginkgo]

the last one

[hard ginkgo]

they do.

because i apply them to the models

[blazing torrent]

the one with the water and trains?

[hard ginkgo]

yup

so if i remaster 1 map light

it might apply for other maps too

only on laps though

or props

[blazing torrent]

oh you're doing it directly to the models, i thought you were using 1 model to anchor all of the lights you added lmao

[hard ginkgo]

nono

[blazing torrent]

would be cursed tho dont do that 🙂

[hard ginkgo]

it would be more hard to do it that way though-

[blazing torrent]

that was my idea

im glad i did not attempt that

🤣

[hard ginkgo]

real

can you check if its better now?

[blazing torrent]

you'll have to send it again

[hard ginkgo]

let me send the mod again

yup

here

it should be better now

[scenic belfry]

this for the well map?

[hard ginkgo]

yup

ctf_well

btw remember to ignore game lights : point, spot

[scenic belfry]

yea those tank fps

[hard ginkgo]

yup

custom lighting gives more fps for some reason

idk why

[blazing torrent]

ok so there probably is an issue with attaching lights to models

[hard ginkgo]

can you show me?

[blazing torrent]

since you dimmed them in another map, the others dim lmao

maybe its not an issue if they have universal brightness in maps already but im pretty sure they dont

spawn room spooky

[hard ginkgo]

hmm

[blazing torrent]

lol

[hard ginkgo]

can you try it

on ctf_well

[blazing torrent]

yes this is it

oh

sure

[hard ginkgo]

its the one that i edit

i mean it should work on most maps now btw

[blazing torrent]

right but you arent worried its affecting other maps?

[hard ginkgo]

nope

its better though

[blazing torrent]

like i said, each light in a map has intentionally different brightness placed by an artist

[hard ginkgo]

it saves me a lot of time

[hard ginkgo]

i can change brighness of every map, we can figure it out

there its a SUN light on every map

[blazing torrent]

hmm ok

💀

[scenic belfry]

i think need a balance so it wrks everytime

[hard ginkgo]

TRUST ME CRR

[blazing torrent]

spooky

[hard ginkgo]

should i make it brighter?

[restive jasper]

yes

[hard ginkgo]

the problem its that tf2 uses a big sphere light for every room...

maybe i can do that too

[blazing torrent]

i'd say this is the best looking room so far

[restive jasper]

agreed

[blazing torrent]

good visibility for gameplay but also contrasty

[restive jasper]

but how we will fix the hud?

[blazing torrent]

we dont lol

[restive jasper]

it really bothers me

[hard ginkgo]

kinda hard to do that..

[blazing torrent]

unless you want to replace the hud with something else

[hard ginkgo]

thats..

actually a good idea

[restive jasper]

why is it like that in the first place?

[blazing torrent]

i think its just this build

i dont think its remix

[hard ginkgo]

source engine.

[blazing torrent]

it looked fine in modern tf2

[hard ginkgo]

just...source.

[restive jasper]

before remix it was fine, so what did break it?

[blazing torrent]

hold on i can disable remix rq

we sure its remix? lol

[hard ginkgo]

DAMN

[blazing torrent]

i think its just the dx7 mode

if someone wants to redesign the hud for dx7 go ahead but its definitely not a priority

(for me at least)

[hard ginkgo]

then..

cr

i want to ask you something

[blazing torrent]

go ahead

[hard ginkgo]

should i make lights brighter

or..

just add a sphere ball whit high radius

to make the rooms bright

the problem its that if i generate light from where the props should emmit it...it looks dark.

thats why i think about the sphere

[blazing torrent]

then we're just doing the same thing the OG game does, it would be nice for the actual light models/positions to be used, but also have the same brightness as the old ones. but the complication is that since the lighits are tied to the models, how are we gonna adjust it on a map basis. i do have a solution though but its gonna be cursed

that or use sphere lights while making the lamps emissive?

still not perfect though

[hard ginkgo]

perfect.

look

i show u

where whithout the light sphere

here whit it

it doesnt have a good position but i just wanted to show you

[restive jasper]

i think with

[hard ginkgo]

do you think i should use whit or whithout sphere light

[blazing torrent]

i have another idea, kind've a long shot but it refers to my "bad" idea :), find a map-unique prop to attach lights to so each map has proper brightness

its archaic and probably a pain in the ass, but it would be seamless to the user

[restive jasper]

with or cr idea

[blazing torrent]

we could also decompile the maps and put a unique prop in each one to attach lights to

[hard ginkgo]

true..

[restive jasper]

maybe even an invisible one

[hard ginkgo]

i mean which one of those you like more?

[blazing torrent]

cant be, remix needs to see its hash

ideally we would attach lights to geometry but source does not have stable geometry hashes outside portal remix

[hard ginkgo]

wait

hmm

[blazing torrent]

you can check in the debug view

its flickery as fuck

[hard ginkgo]

yea we should literally edit the map and add a new entity..

different for every map

[blazing torrent]

yeah

[restive jasper]

idealy make it as much up the original as possible

[hard ginkgo]

true

[blazing torrent]

i can do that btw, upload the maps to github so yall can edit it if u want

[hard ginkgo]

i dont have any experience whit hammer...

but i hear its a pain to learn it

[blazing torrent]

dw i do

[restive jasper]

i'm not good at hammer

[blazing torrent]

i meant to say i would upload the maps to github

[hard ginkgo]

ooh

[restive jasper]

i know only the basics for csgo

[hard ginkgo]

wait

before that

[restive jasper]

sure do

[hard ginkgo]

can you tell me how can i add emission to a part of a texture?

or send me a tutorial

anything

so i dont have to create lights inside remix and we can just use the custom texture

making the work faster

kinda

[blazing torrent]

how familiar are you with blender or any material editing tools

[hard ginkgo]

...

...

i have almost 1k hours in blender but i mostly use it for animation..

so i have 0 experience on everything else.

[blazing torrent]

that still has the same issue with attatching lights to light models

[hard ginkgo]

true...

[blazing torrent]

we can have emissives but they for sure cant replace lights

[hard ginkgo]

hmm..

yea we should just use hammer...

yea

[blazing torrent]

hu?

oh nvm i cant read

[hard ginkgo]

i just want to make emissives for stuff like the sings

a

like this one

[blazing torrent]

i would get a trial of substance painter if you can

its really good for materials

also has a good tutorial

https://youtu.be/6gGAG1xFB7w

i can do it as well if you want

i have experience with substance

[hard ginkgo]

if you can..

it would be cool

you prob going to do it faster than me lol

[blazing torrent]

im gonna start with map decompilation and then probably emissive signs

the PBR work for base materials will come later

since that will be harder to do by hand

(please no octotex or AI PBR textures pls)

🥹

[hard ginkgo]

i am dead

[blazing torrent]

i mean we can use it as a base but i'd strongly prefer making it by hand so its authentic to the art style

i dont want mopped floors for materials lmao

[hard ginkgo]

you know how to make textures by hand?

thats cool

[blazing torrent]

for realistic stuff, doing toon art is new to me

[hard ginkgo]

oh

[blazing torrent]

but we're just copying the original texture so it shouldnt be that hard

ill just be upscaling it and then manually adding details, normals, roughness, etc

needs to look unique enough but at the same time just like the original game

[hard ginkgo]

ooh

i said nothing then

[blazing torrent]

🙂

🤫

[hard ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/mewing-mew-boeshi-sigma-looksmaxxing-gif-13581087363054242055

[blazing torrent]

🤫 🧏‍♂️

[hard ginkgo]

bye bye🗣️ 🔥

[blazing torrent]

bai bai

[hard ginkgo]

btw we should start on a small map...

[blazing torrent]

2fort is pretty small

[hard ginkgo]

since only 2fort have over 200 textures

[blazing torrent]

im gonna start with the big stuff first

walls, floors, etc

small stuff comes last

[hard ginkgo]

hmm

so..

what should we see first

lighting or upscaling

[blazing torrent]

lighting

tf2 holds up fine without PBR so lighting is the most important thing

[hard ginkgo]

true.

so...

hammer time 🔨

[blazing torrent]

ill probably do 2fort first as a trial run

if it works ill do others

[hard ginkgo]

okay

[blazing torrent]

a chef hat

the longest part is gonna be compiling the map 💀

hammer is so single-threaded

[scenic belfry]

the AI did it automatically so the roughness and pom is the same for all the teextures but imma do that manually when i get the time

[blazing torrent]

while it looks good, the issue with using octotex is that its probably not good at handling tf2's cartoonish style so things look realistic and cartoonish at the same time lmao

[scenic belfry]

yea i used realistic rescaler to upscale them

u can put custom upscalers in octatex

[blazing torrent]

yea its just stable diffusion under the hood

[hard ginkgo]

true

[hard ginkgo]

man i love how you get a clear image on one window

and in the other one you have a weird sky blue color creature

that no human can understand

[blazing torrent]

i try to work in the 3D viewport as much as possible lmao

idk what valve was thinking with the 2D views

forgot i have this ultra low config on my modern tf2

700fps

[scenic belfry]

dang

[blazing torrent]

im having some issues getting a prop to show ingame, i think some props dont support being static

so im gonna have to get creative and use hl2 props

🙂

💀

why is nothing there oml

i love source 🤪

[scenic belfry]

theres no hat there

[blazing torrent]

yes thats the point

i also tried a hl2 file cabinet

nothing

[hard ginkgo]

damn

clay fortress 2

i love itt

[scenic belfry]

so i tested the perf on all the maps available on this build so i found

Playable(40 to 60 fps):
1:Well
2:Granary

Decent(20 to 30 fps):
1:2fort
2:badlands
3:Gravelpit

Unplayable(1 to 10 fps):
1:Hydro

Impossible(geometry very buggy):
1:Dustbowl

Dustbowl is just broken mess

walls terrain and stuff just disappearing appearing

[blazing torrent]

dustbowl actually works fine, you need to flag the textures that flicker to a particle texture

[scenic belfry]

wait really? imma try that

[blazing torrent]

lemme double check tho lmao

i faintly remember dustbowl breaking on modern tf2 when i fixed culling in shader mode

oh its actually broken

this issue happens in gmod too

[scenic belfry]

bruh what its was broken but i restart the game its fix now

da hec

[blazing torrent]

i think its some issue with too many brushes not being culled from the engine

[scenic belfry]

im so confused

[hard ginkgo]

I TOLD U

[scenic belfry]

the walls they were disappearing and appearing

[hard ginkgo]

YES

[scenic belfry]

now its stable

[hard ginkgo]

THATT HAPPENED TO ME

REMEMBER YESTERDAY I TOLD YOU TWO

THAT MY TEXTURES WERE CHANGING

[scenic belfry]

oh my i doubted u boah

[hard ginkgo]

idk why that happened

[hard ginkgo]

NEVER DOUBT ME

[scenic belfry]

some spooky stuff going on in dustbowel

[hard ginkgo]

it happens on ever map

[blazing torrent]

hu? it just seems like only dustbowl does it for me

[scenic belfry]

it happened to me in dustbowl only heck i tried dustbowl in gmod months ago same issue

[blazing torrent]

yea its a engine issue then

[hard ginkgo]

its something that you have to live to actually understand it

its weird asf

[scenic belfry]

any ways yea dustbowl goes to the playable catagory 40 fps there

[hard ginkgo]

it fixes whit just restarting the game though

[scenic belfry]

well for me atleast

[blazing torrent]

lol i restarted mine twice

still getting it

[hard ginkgo]

i swear i saw "well for mr.beast"

[blazing torrent]

try loading another map and then go back to dustbowl

[scenic belfry]

oh that might be it imma try

[blazing torrent]

its definitely engine 💀

[scenic belfry]

yep thats causing it

dustbowl breaks

[blazing torrent]

so i guess source has some rendering bug with dx7 then

[scenic belfry]

when u join a different map first

[blazing torrent]

nothing we can do lol

[scenic belfry]

then after that join it

its so weird its like dustbowl gets jealous or angry at me for joining a different map first and not it

[blazing torrent]

i think it hits some kind of issue with culling in the engine

blueamulet would probably know more but im pretty sure it requires some code work in the engine to fix it

[blazing torrent]

im gonna take a break on working on this today, my brain is fried and hammer is driving me insane

[hard ginkgo]

understandable

[scenic belfry]

Yellow lights and night time ufff

[hard ginkgo]

looks cool

[scenic belfry]

hmm i captured every map except hydro and there only seems to 845 textures even more less if u remove the skybox textures

[small wadi]

Patcher for SDK 2013 SP, MP, and TF2-Base v1.03
Will work on Modern TF2 later
Edit: Removed old patcher infavor of link
https://github.com/BlueAmulet/SourceRTXTweaks/blob/main/applypatch.py

[blazing torrent]

finally got it, for whatever reason remove vis and rad from compilation got it

we dont need map lights anyway 🙂

spooky door, tf2 arg 👀

[tiny bay]

slender fortress rtx 😱

[blazing torrent]

also makes the map compile extremely fast

time to add some lights myself

[blazing torrent]

do you mind adding it to your github when you have the chance? i would love to update my guide using your patcher going forward

[blazing torrent]

ok so we probably need vis lol, doors dont work

[scenic belfry]

Hahahaha I had a channel about tf2 and people thought I was a arg 😂 there's even a guy who made a video bout me

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I78KpdxRT0k

Hahahaha

[blazing torrent]

another odd issue is that firing my gun in the decompiled map crashes the game 💀

turns out i need vrad too

im just gonna remove all but 1 light in the map

[hard ginkgo]

what is that

[blazing torrent]

im only gonna keep the light_env so we have a sun lol

[hard ginkgo]

thats a pain

[blazing torrent]

i fixed it lol

source just needs the map compiled correctly

[hard ginkgo]

:0

[blazing torrent]

but its really slow so yeah i removed all lights

except for the sun

ok well nvm i have no idea what broke the sun

maybe we just make that custom too lol

i just dont want to compile a map for over an hour for one small change

[scenic belfry]

Dang a hour for like one change

[blazing torrent]

also one issue, the doors dont work because the entity is different in modern tf2

i have no idea how to get a hammer closer to our 2007 build

for now since its proof of concept, i wont worry about it rn

ill see if i can get the lights working

🥹

dear lord just for 2fort

[scenic belfry]

are those 1051 textures

[blazing torrent]

assets total

[scenic belfry]

Oh well good luck, that would be kinda painful 😣

hmmm well maps do reuse assets though

[blazing torrent]

yeah and its not like ill be replacing everything lol

i think a good third of it is textures so its definitely gonna be slow, but doable

@hard ginkgo the lights do not work ingame, how did you get lights working lmao

i added them to the file cabinet but my game is pitch dark lmao

[hard ginkgo]

are they attached to the model?

[blazing torrent]

yes

[hard ginkgo]

hm

[hard ginkgo]

you are using invisible models?

or the ones that are on 2fort

[blazing torrent]

no its literally a visible file cabinet

look at the screenshot

[hard ginkgo]

they are attached to those lamps

right?

if you move the lights far away from the main object it will not work

[blazing torrent]

no lol its attatched to the file cabinet so we have per-map lights

[hard ginkgo]

dnt-

dont-

its not going to work-

[blazing torrent]

💀

[hard ginkgo]

yea..

also..

[blazing torrent]

once again i think we're running into a model/geometry hash issue with source and remix

[hard ginkgo]

you have to put different models each time if you dont want them to share the light settings..

[blazing torrent]

this does work in something like portal rtx

[hard ginkgo]

why dont you try to put the green box below the lamps

[blazing torrent]

nah that's not what im talking about, i can have one model and attach all the lights to it with each light having its own intensity, the toolkit supports it

the issue is that hashes are unstable so they dont spawn ingame, weird that they work on static meshes though

in that case ill try this

i put a light on this pipe

and its right next to it as you said

naww man fuck source ahahaah

guess i need static meshes then

[hard ginkgo]

bro becoming insane

[blazing torrent]

its a love/hate relationship with source

this rock shall do the job 🙂

[hard ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-half-life-2-source-engine-garry's-mod-gmod-gif-13423028092545206222

[blazing torrent]

rock is holding the weight of rtx remix

such a brave rock

today we play the game "why the fuck is my rock not there piece of shit engine" 🙂

(i moved it next to the light but i forgot to take a screenshot)

[hard ginkgo]

Realistic lighting

[blazing torrent]

i just realized i have the perfect idea

isnt this cow only on 2fort?

until i figure out what is wrong with hammer, we will be using the cow

😎

bingo

the 1st light is at 0.1 intensity on the cows, then i made a second one and placed it here

seems like this works

hell yea

[scenic belfry]

Tis was done using cows

[blazing torrent]

absolutely delicious

im gonna keep normal tf2 open and just copy that

the fun part about all of this is that i have to place every light manually 🙂

why cant we see the outline of what position the rect light is supposed to be?

makes placing extremely difficult

[blazing torrent]

took me forever but i finally got it lined up

[small wadi]

Soon, my goal is to make a more generic patcher. I've updated my patch finder and patch applier to work across gmod, sdk 2013 sp/mp, and tf2-base. It's also partially working now against modern tf2 and hl2

[blazing torrent]

good work man, you're pretty much our savior for source games on remix 🙏

im pretty sure spot lights are not supposed to do this 💀

ok ill work on this later tomorrow, these tools are driving me insane

[hard ginkgo]

i tested a lot of custom maps from gamebanana

most of them works (i though they wouldn't work because we were using the old version of tf2 lol)

[restive jasper]

i can play online servers now in dx9

which is a bit weird

[restive jasper]

i think i found my sound problem

iled to load sound "weapons\draw_secondary.wav", file probably missing from disk/repository
Failed to load sound ")weapons\scatter_gun_shoot.wav", file probably missing from disk/repository
Failed to load sound ")weapons\scatter_gun_shoot.wav", file probably missing from disk/repository
Failed to load sound ")weapons\scatter_gun_shoot.wav", file probably missing from disk/repository
Failed to load sound ")weapons\scatter_gun_shoot.wav", file probably missing from disk/repository
Failed to load sound "vo\scout_battlecry02.wav", file probably missing from disk/repository
Failed to load sound ")weapons\scatter_gun_shoot.wav", file probably missing from disk/repository
Failed to load sound ")weapons\scatter_gun_shoot.wav", file probably missing from disk/repository
Failed to load sound "weapons\scatter_gun_reload.wav", file probably missing from disk/repository
Failed to load sound "weapons\scatter_gun_reload.wav", file probably missing from disk/repository
Failed to load sound "weapons\scatter_gun_reload.wav", file probably missing from disk/repository
Failed to load sound "weapons\scatter_gun_reload.wav", file probably missing from disk/repository
Failed to load sound "weapons\scatter_gun_reload.wav", file probably missing from disk/repository
Failed to load sound "weapons\scatter_gun_reload.wav", file probably missing from disk/repository

sound.cache was the problem

[restive jasper]

new problem: you can see the skybox from the level itself

any idea to fix?

[scenic belfry]

Triangle Culling option in remix menu might fix that I think

[restive jasper]

where is that?

[scenic belfry]

In Geometry settings I think that's what it's called

[restive jasper]

this one?

it did not

can you see my server?

[scenic belfry]

let me open ma game

[scenic belfry]

yea this one

[restive jasper]

did not fix

[scenic belfry]

hmm that fixes the 3d skybox being seen in construct idk why it didnt wrk here

[restive jasper]

if we can we can decompile the map and just move it somewhere else

the easy solution

the harder solution is to actually fix the problem

[scenic belfry]

oh i can see your server

in server browser

[restive jasper]

that's good

[scenic belfry]

imma see if i can join it

[scenic belfry]

yea its wrking

im in it

[restive jasper]

the other server says it's "patched" or whatever

wonder how i could do this

[scenic belfry]

who the heck is bot Zed man

his joining even your server

[restive jasper]

a relict from csgo 😅

[restive jasper]

damn

[scenic belfry]

ah ma game crashed

[restive jasper]

it wouldn't if source wasn't a spaghetti monster

also

we could still have culling but less (editing maps in hammer)

[scenic belfry]

pootis trying to kill me

oh my

[scenic belfry]

dang u can chat from console in game

[restive jasper]

say YOURTEXT

i'm moving this server to a raspberry pi

so i'm shutting down

[scenic belfry]

oh ok

[restive jasper]

or a vps

have to decide

[restive jasper]

looks so nice

[blazing torrent]

@hard ginkgo how did you get spot lights working correctly in the toolkit lol, when trying to adjust the cone size it seems to be messed up

[scenic belfry]

yoo found a way to add bots

[restive jasper]

i did too

but do they work?

[scenic belfry]

idk there are bunch of console cmnds im trying to use so far force attack 1 makes them scream

[restive jasper]

just so you know i will be hosting a server

[scenic belfry]

i made them jump

[restive jasper]

so if we want bots we need to program them?