Garry's Mod

[subtle bison]

always been there, but has probably been broken over so many updates

[keen rivet]

most useful script ever

[subtle bison]

me when i manually ln -s (i am a linux user 🤓 )

[polar anchor]

How does thou apply to mine game?

[keen rivet]

me when i manually mklink /D

[woeful phoenix]

Do you still need this

Or did you find it

[subtle bison]

still need

[woeful phoenix]

Alright

Driving home, remind me in 2 hours if I don't get it by then

[livid rapids]

Drop this into your addons folder

[subtle bison]

im gonna add this to the compat mod, i will credit you

[livid rapids]

There's still a rasterization when selecting an attachment

I'll try to find whatever's doing that

[livid rapids]

Yeah hold on until I find that other one

[subtle bison]

gotcha

[keen rivet]

holding my visual studio in front of you like this

https://tenor.com/view/ass-motivation-cowboy-carrot-donkey-gif-11223734

[compact blaze]

whats wrong with wayland

[subtle bison]

nothing, avalonia doesnt properly support it so hidpi scaling looks weird

[subtle bison]

i mean my vs code setup barely looks any different

[keen rivet]

wayland not being a display server hurts me when i cant remotely get gui over ssh :(

[subtle bison]

huh?

[keen rivet]

x11 is a server

wayland isn't

[subtle bison]

use apollo or sunshine, i use that all of the time to stream my desktop

oh you mean x11 forwarding

[keen rivet]

oh but thats not as cool

yeah x11 forwarding

[subtle bison]

idk maybe someone will come up with some cursed wlroots protocol to do that in wayland

[keen rivet]

since macOS can run x11, it means i can see my linux programs like native programs lol

[subtle bison]

x11 is effectively ded so i dont wanna touch it at all

[keen rivet]

i think x11 will be a hard kill

[subtle bison]

its not being maintained anymore

only periodic fixes

im not saying this as some wayland fan or anything, its just that the x11 codebase is fucked and there isnt many people who want to fix it

and all other vendors are rapdily improving wayland support

[keen rivet]

gigachad 50 year old codebase

[subtle bison]

it would be gigachad if they had consistency, the age aint even a problem

[keen rivet]

i thought culling was fixed

[subtle bison]

yeah i said nvm here

[keen rivet]

oh lol

RUBAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[subtle bison]

it kinda depends on the map, but most of the anti-culling is there

construct is the worst one i've seen so far

[keen rivet]

oh can i not use native light conversion in performance mode

[subtle bison]

you should be able to?

[keen rivet]

doesnt work, i can only use the api ones

[subtle bison]

oh i see the issue

the lightupdaters arent working because the culling patches are inactive lol

[keen rivet]

ah

also alt+X keeps mouse locked

[subtle bison]

?

you mean its stuck on the screen or?

[onyx ridge]

garry just personally gave me a new build of gmod with rtx built in

[subtle bison]

what in the half life

[willow fog]

Clearly fake

[subtle bison]

is this with the nightly remix runtime?

im not having that issue

[keen rivet]

idk whatever quick install did

[weak ermine]

bullshit mod

[subtle bison]

oh yeah it only installs the stable one

[onyx ridge]

i'm annoyed the ammo counter i made is supposed to actually work with guns but the data for them is just Gone on newer versions for some reason so i can't get it for the hud

[subtle bison]

switch to nightly and it will work

[willow fog]

This happens to me sometimes and I still don't know why it happens

[keen rivet]

ah

[subtle bison]

wish we could decouple the remix api header dependency

but i dont think there is a way around it

[keen rivet]

why does nightly remix have really bad direct lighting denoising

or even indirect too

[subtle bison]

hm? shouldnt be any different, but make sure your RTXDI settings match mine

[keen rivet]

they do

did you change something that makes ray reconstruction worse or something

[subtle bison]

no?

[keen rivet]

my issues go away when ray reconstruction off huh

[weak ermine]

his plan

[subtle bison]

not sure what would cause that, but i promise i havent modified anything like that

[polar anchor]

Bruh after topbr moved to the top, ive been stuck in the loading screen on "initializing world"

[keen rivet]

oh man i forgot how poo ray reconstruction off was

i feel so bad for AMD users

[subtle bison]

🙂 👋

[keen rivet]

like man the ceiling here

[polar anchor]

How can i remove the tilde from filename so i can actually play lol

[subtle bison]

i do notice a lot of light boiling now that you mention it, especially on view models

[lean hatch]

greasy

[subtle bison]

yeah the chell playermodel is cursed

[keen rivet]

oh are pseudo weapons not auto tagged?

i swear they used to be

[subtle bison]

they are meant to be

[keen rivet]

wait yeah they are just only the pistol isnt lol

wtf

[subtle bison]

pistol works for me?

wait this is the uhh mmod pistol

[keen rivet]

flexing my near ghosting free shadows on amd users

[subtle bison]

cries

btw @keen rivet try this and see if it fixes light boiling

[keen rivet]

what changed

[subtle bison]

oops

turn that off

it fixes my issue in this vid#1116089843479498782 message

[keen rivet]

nah it didnt it seems to be a indirect light issue too specific to ray reconstruction

[subtle bison]

just on RR?

[keen rivet]

yeah

[subtle bison]

it could be a bug with api light denoising with RR, maybe submit a github issue for me?

[keen rivet]

i noticed it previously on my old install

which wasnt using api light

[subtle bison]

oh

even better

finally i can brag about having no RR 🤓 /s

[polar anchor]

@subtle bison How can I revert topbr back to just "gmod_topbr" I kinda need it back otherwise my game doesnt work. Ive been waiting for over ten minutes now and it hasnt moved

[livid rapids]

I know what it's doing just can't fucking find it

[keen rivet]

#1116089843479498782 message

[subtle bison]

its hardcoded, but we arent reversing that, can you pls make a new install without your stuff from the old one

i think most of your issues will go away by doing that

[keen rivet]

damn so many things dont draw in perf mode?

[subtle bison]

lmao the lamp is missing

[keen rivet]

yeah

[subtle bison]

its on the to-do, the PVS checks have regressed for a while

[keen rivet]

same with decals and stuff

[polar anchor]

i pretty much did that already. the only thing I havent done was undo my renames

I already cleared old topbr files

[subtle bison]

decals wont render as for what i said before, either i make a custom decal renderer or patch the engine to decouple decal rendering from r_drawworld

[keen rivet]

and the sunlight is the wrong brightness on api lights 😔

[subtle bison]

still on the to-do brah

[keen rivet]

i tried looking into getting skybox and decal drawing seperate at some point

i dont remember how far i got

[subtle bison]

gotcha, tho we do have a dedicated 2d skybox renderer already

[polar anchor]

time to try this

[zealous narwhal]

Hardware skinning works :)

[keen rivet]

this is beautiful

[subtle bison]

the normals?

[keen rivet]

indirect lighting

[zealous narwhal]

How tf does your indirect lighting look faster than mine

[keen rivet]

oh there doesnt appear like theres any normals because i'm looking at it the same direction as the light

[steel lark]

it's not even noisy

[keen rivet]

Nvidia ray reconstruction perhaps

[steel lark]

do you use quality or what?

[keen rivet]

i am also on NRC?

[steel lark]

damn

[keen rivet]

i'm on auto

[zealous narwhal]

I have an NVIDIA GPU too and I'm also on NRC

[steel lark]

i don't have nrc

[keen rivet]

i also have a 4090

[subtle bison]

naw its these 2 settings, it makes those transitions a lot faster and smoother

[zealous narwhal]

Welp that makes sense

[subtle bison]

you have to have both on

[zealous narwhal]

Oh

[steel lark]

why doesn't linus have nrc?

[subtle bison]

it uses cuda interop

[zealous narwhal]

5070 vs 4090...

[steel lark]

zamnit

[steel lark]

4090 is better isn't it?

[zealous narwhal]

Yep

[subtle bison]

NRC is ass other than indirect lighting not being screen space anymore

restir gi looks a lot better in most situations and runs faster

[steel lark]

but it's slooowww

[subtle bison]

naw NRC is slow

[steel lark]

😭

[subtle bison]

look at all of the videos burrito put out almost a year ago

[steel lark]

i mean updates slowly

[subtle bison]

yes i mean that

[steel lark]

really?

[subtle bison]

yes its really bad at room transitions and stuff

[steel lark]

(i usually use importance lmao so i don't even know)

[subtle bison]

why?

importance looks like ass 🥀

[steel lark]

but it's so fast

i wish i had frame gen so much

30 series is getting old fr

[modern quest]

frame gen is meh

i will defend NRC though

[steel lark]

ik but i can't play at 30 fps

("play" is moving my camera to a spot to take a screenshot)

[modern quest]

well, frame gen makes it feel like 20 FPS while looking like 50 FPS

it's less playable

[zealous narwhal]

Oh damn, ReSTIR doesn't look green anymore yay

[keen rivet]

i know these two settings in NRC basically make indirect near instant but i feel like they almost certainly break or ruin something i just cant really tell what

[steel lark]

how do i stop the edges of flat thin brushes appear to glow green sometimes? (restir)

[modern quest]

well. the direct lighting thing is pretty important to how it looks...

but the adaptive training dimensions thing is most likely a performance savings measure. it'd be fine to disable i think

[steel lark]

my gpu is too slow to do this kinda of thing

[modern quest]

change "target number of trianing iterations" to 2

[keen rivet]

i don't really see much difference other than maybe a less defined shape of the indirect light

[keen rivet]

doesnt seem to speed it up or slow it down

[modern quest]

mm

personally i wouldn't turn off the direct lighting thing, but the other one yeah

it's very likely going to be something like turning off RTXDI, where there are some very noticeable areas where it falls short... but it's fine most of the time

[keen rivet]

no muzzleflash lights in perf mode 😔

@subtle bison are lightupdaters broken completely? even with perf mode box unticked the non api lights dont work

[subtle bison]

ill check on an older version of gmod where the culling patches still worked

[keen rivet]

damn these don't seem to do anything anymore hm

it doesnt even seem to show anything in console when i tick them

[subtle bison]

if you run condebug or attach VS, it will show you which patch didnt apply, iirc its rcullnode or something

those checkboxes show regardless if the patch worked or not, something i should probably address at some point

[keen rivet]

these show messages when i tick them but backfaces dont

[subtle bison]

bro what

is my ssd dying or something

i just had it open

[keen rivet]

wtf is gmodpatchtool

[subtle bison]

cef fixes for gmod x64 on proton and native linux

also makes the console font easier to read

anyways wtf

the patches are working but yeah i cant toggle them

[keen rivet]

did the launcher patch the dlls ?

i had to undo the dll patches as it applied them all perminantly

[subtle bison]

no i removed them manuallyy

for some reason the convars arent registering, some kind of race condition

[keen rivet]

i see them for me

yeah hm

fixed

@subtle bison that was easy

turns out I ALREADY FIXED THEM

but my old fixes didnt work until now somehow

which i'm not gonna question

[subtle bison]

huh?

when did you fix them guh

[keen rivet]

2 weeks ago

[subtle bison]

oh lmao

[keen rivet]

must've not been applying properly or something

[subtle bison]

is it now part of the runtime patches?

[keen rivet]

ye

will be

making sure to add docs to find patches again lol

also gonna do this, too.

so what's stopping lightupdater i don't understand

[subtle bison]

idk it was working before

at least when i initially made the disable remix api lights switch

[keen rivet]

what were these changes you made?
i thought continuous wasn't needed because now its part of material pipeline

yeah you like reverted all of that

[subtle bison]

😨

what commit is this

[keen rivet]

these two

wait my bad, these two

[polar anchor]

Yeah okay idk how but something is blocking any map from loading. Even with workshop disabled what could possibly do this? I can make a new install but i have a feeling that it aint gonna do shite

[subtle bison]

bro how the fuck did i do that, i obivously wasnt paying attention pushing changes 😭

[subtle bison]

if its stuck on starting lua, you have one of these addons
https://github.com/Xenthio/garrys-mod-rtx-remixed/wiki/Problematic-Addons

[polar anchor]

no i dont even get that far, it stops during "Initializing World". I thought it was MWB (cause it was causing script errors) but nope, even with everything disabled it still got stuck here.

After that one reboot for topbr i havent been able to get in since

[keen rivet]

i was gonna say "i mean this with no offence, but do you check your changes before pushing?" lol

[subtle bison]

generally i do but obviously not in this case 😭

[keen rivet]

i'd say undo those commits and redo whatever you fixed in that case

what were the regressions you were trying to fix?

[subtle bison]

stuttering

like all materials were being reprocessed each time it encountered a new material

[keen rivet]

oh well you basically undid the whole material pipeline.

[keen rivet]

that shouldn't be the case

[keen rivet]

Do you mind if i undo 🥺

[subtle bison]

i mean you can, i was going to do it in a temp branch to double check my findings

i'd rather undo them and also fix whatever i was dealing with at that time

if you are going to undo it, just rebase them, i still need the dedicated autocategorization hash export conf file stuff

[keen rivet]

ok idk how to do that cleanly so i'll let you do whatever you were going to do 😃

waiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

[livid rapids]

vm bones not the same Viper please fix also I have no idea on how to actually get the meshes in the correct position but I guess I'll be learning a lot

[keen rivet]

i think hwskinning breaks light updater

[subtle bison]

guh

@keen rivetin addition to fixing materialpipeline, i think im just going to address the spawnmenu lag and other stuff while im at it if that's ok with you

[keen rivet]

ye go ahead!

bro is asking me if i'm okay with him fixing things lmao

[subtle bison]

just asking just in case you wanted to do it yourself

[keen rivet]

nah i feel bad touching your stuff without knowing

[subtle bison]

i mean this is yours lmfao

and i already did touch your stuff multiple times

🙂

[livid rapids]

Like what are you doing THERE

[keen rivet]

well i meant, your changes related to materialpipeline

like idk what the issue was because I didnt see it on my end

[subtle bison]

so is hw skinning fucking up these playermodel arms or wha

[keen rivet]

hwskinning somehow break lightupdater 🤔

[livid rapids]

No it's definitely working I just have to properly do it, hard guessing mwb rigs contain the hand and arm bones but the original vm models for some reason contain the WHOLE skeleton?

[keen rivet]

i think its also broken in another way because we dont have 4 max worldlight patch either

[subtle bison]

yeah someone fucked up lmao

[subtle bison]

ik we had a patch for x32 or whatever, but what limits us for maxing out the worldlight limit

[keen rivet]

idk

[subtle bison]

because uh yeah 4 sounds very small

[keen rivet]

portal rtx has it like 32 or something

[subtle bison]

wait i think i remember, d3d9 fixed function limit

or some shit

[keen rivet]

its not just a number we can raise lol

[subtle bison]

[keen rivet]

when did light updater model get changed to this?

i swapped it back with the old one and it works again

[subtle bison]

iirc i switched it because the old one would get stuck inside map geometry in a few maps so the engine didnt technically render it

[keen rivet]

cone_helper doesn't even draw for me lol

[subtle bison]

the cone helper was slightly larger and i could hide it in remix

[keen rivet]

oh its hidden in remix

[subtle bison]

shouldnt be with the latest nightly, the hash isnt in the rtx.conf since i removed all of them lol

[keen rivet]

oh all of the editor models dont draw

even with raytracing off

[subtle bison]

when did that change

guh

[keen rivet]

wait are these the models causing the access violation errors?

[subtle bison]

why would they? lightupdaters are off by default

[keen rivet]

nvm i thought they might be getting hidden because prop fixes

yeah none of these render lol

[subtle bison]

i had a fix for this but i might need to do re-do it
they do render in remix but the way it handles decals makes these not show up

[keen rivet]

except for 1 frame on undo

they dont render like in rtx on and off

[subtle bison]

i created a custom category called the rasterizer which basically renders any decals in a seperate non-RT pass for stuff like this

hold on one sec

[keen rivet]

except for 1 frame on undo

[subtle bison]

#1116089843479498782 message

[keen rivet]

oh the handles

not what i'm talking about

[subtle bison]

oh 🥹

[keen rivet]

see this video

[subtle bison]

so is hw skinning causing that

[keen rivet]

i don't know

i turned it off in settings

hw skinning i think broke light updaters for a different reason and thats all props become full bright

[subtle bison]

that matches hl2rtx behavior interestingly

[subtle bison]

1000 years later

[keen rivet]

its not just these models its lots of them that dont render

i found more

bullet casings for example

the episode 2 strider buster

rpg rockets

the baby doll

[subtle bison]

yeah im seeing the same thing

the crossbow bolts dont render either

[keen rivet]

lamarr's crate

HEV face plate

cremator head case

[subtle bison]

ravenholm sign

[keen rivet]

portal cubes

tv monitor

is this perhaps related to hardware skinning patches

or when they are off do they fully shut off

[subtle bison]

it might be

i think i might know

ah ye the UBYTE4 patch might be it

its set at runtime but i dont think it turns off

[keen rivet]

just crashed!

loaded dust 2

[subtle bison]

csgo or css

[keen rivet]

csgo

guh well it loaded this time but cant see shit

oh its still building but didnt make a popup

[polar anchor]

Hmm, thats new. a freeze that isnt vk driver disconnect. This is a new clean install, havent even enabled any workshop mods yet. Tried to load into CSS Inferno with this result

[keen rivet]

none of my viewmodels work in dust 2 until i disable hardware skinning lol

WOW does raytracing hate dust 2 for some reason

[subtle bison]

is this perf mode

[keen rivet]

yeah

[subtle bison]

source rendered displacements are fuckin heavy af

time to use performance mode 🤓

[keen rivet]

i am using performance mode

[subtle bison]

but u said engine

[keen rivet]

?

[subtle bison]

what the fuck

i think im losing it

i read engine

😨

[keen rivet]

[subtle bison]

ok time to go to the psych ward /s

btw the materialpipeline stuff seemed to only be lua changes unless i missed something?

i reverted the change and pushed it, it seems to work for me

[keen rivet]

i only saw lua stuff

[subtle bison]

also working on a runtime way to revert the UBYTE4 and some other stuff that was forced on map load, ill see if it fixes the missing models

[keen rivet]

niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[subtle bison]

i dont think we'll be able to make it change in realtime as it affects how models are loaded in the engine, so at worst case you need to reload the map

[keen rivet]

Bruh my whole pc locked up

Nvm unfroze

That was random

[subtle bison]

yuh yuh

(it requires a map load)

[keen rivet]

whats the ubyte4 patch that loads models different do

[subtle bison]

it fixes the eldritch horrors

fr tho i think it forces a specific vertex format remix likes

because the bones have always been correct, its just remix didnt handle rendering them correctly

[keen rivet]

perhaps you could only have it do that patch to models that need it?

[polar anchor]

Hey CR, could you check to see if CSS Inferno loads for you?

[subtle bison]

so anything that has more than 1 bone?

[keen rivet]

yeah i think

[subtle bison]

yeah should be doable

maybe

[keen rivet]

also if you could somehow exempt the lightupdater model from being hwskinned that would be epic

[subtle bison]

well the same would apply

oh wait nvm i see what u mean

[keen rivet]

😍

[subtle bison]

this looks like short nuke

[keen rivet]

it is yeah

[subtle bison]

but also wow looks like cs2

[subtle bison]

yuh

[keen rivet]

lmao the barrier fade in works in rtx idk why but i didnt expect that

[polar anchor]

also what was the thing with mounting hl2rtx?

[subtle bison]

so UBYTE4 is global as in it affects vertex declarations for all loaded models

🙁

so its all or nothing

[keen rivet]

well hmm

i assume you're asking claude or something ask it about the models that dont render at all except when they're undone which they appear for 1 frame

[polar anchor]

NO WAY ONE OF THE RTX LAUNCHERS SHOWED UP IN SEARCH!!!

[keen rivet]

the fact that one frame they can draw might be key info

dude theres a missing door here that made me think there was a whole new map layout lmao

retconned in a new path

[subtle bison]

bait rtx

[keen rivet]

it just happened to line up perfectly to look like it went through

[subtle bison]

im gonna see if we can find another place to apply the patch that isnt global, because i dont think im gonna have enough information to give it before it goes on a wild goose chase

[keen rivet]

dam

best of luck because man HW SKINNING IS HERE ITS SO CLOSE ITS LIKE RIGHT IN FRONT OF ALL OF US WE CAN TASTE IT

shiny

[subtle bison]

its like 95% there, the faces need to be fixed (still rendered in sw)

hopefully when we get there we can figure out the eyes too

[subtle bison]

i thought i already told you earlier?

[subtle bison]

wait

do we even need the fucking ubyte patch

[keen rivet]

thats what i asked lol

[subtle bison]

well i did a lot of stuff david recommended just for correctness but i havent tried stripping stuff away to see what broke yet

[keen rivet]

lmao

[polar anchor]

how far earlier

[subtle bison]

like 3 hours ago..

[polar anchor]

no, never asked you today about it homie

Last time i asked about it mustve been over a year ago or something

[subtle bison]

bruh

#1116089843479498782 message

[subtle bison]

yesnt? some stuff works if you load into a map with it off and then turn it back on

[keen rivet]

ancient might be THE laggiest map

[subtle bison]

doesnt even look like gmod lol

very pretty

[subtle bison]

cs3

[keen rivet]

unfortunately their water mogs ours

[subtle bison]

gwater 2 remix integration when

[keen rivet]

[subtle bison]

damn i wish a 5090 magically materialized in my room so i could get that sweet sweet RR

[keen rivet]

@NV_Jensen

[subtle bison]

lmao

[keen rivet]

i have a 4090 and even i want a 5090 but FUCK theyre like way more expensive than the 4090s were

[subtle bison]

bruh i'd even settle for a 4090

[polar anchor]

HOLY COW

[keen rivet]

AUD

thats aud

[polar anchor]

bro my 4090 wasnt even $2000

[keen rivet]

aussie dollaridoos

[polar anchor]

oh funny money

[keen rivet]

do they still sell founders editions they looked so cool

ok they dont and on ebay id have to sell my limbs, organs and cock and balls

[keen rivet]

maybe nvidia will find a hand me down 3050 for you if you ask nicely

[subtle bison]

i still got a 2080 in my home server 🤓

but its so slow compared to my 9070

[keen rivet]

pre production unit kept in the cupboard for years, and dont use it for more than 10 seconds at 80 degrees because the card will shut off

oh my golly gosh

[subtle bison]

ok but can we turn off the thin-glass thing for windows

it makes em tinted way too much

i prefer refraction anyway

[keen rivet]

it is off

[subtle bison]

huh?

[keen rivet]

its just on thin glass, it makes them infinitely thick

which is why they absorb light forever

because it enters the glass but never leaves because theres no other side for it to come out of

it thinks everything behind it is glass

[subtle bison]

i get what it does but why are we using it?

[keen rivet]

using what

[subtle bison]

the thin-glass material flag

[keen rivet]

i dont think we are

we have refraction

[subtle bison]

it looks like it is in that screenshot tho

refracted windows dont usually do this

dang i wish i could use the toolkit to inspect

[keen rivet]

see? refraction

[subtle bison]

naw im talking about that specific replacement

in the earlier screenshot

[keen rivet]

its 0

[subtle bison]

wack

so i guess its got like double stacked panes then?

[keen rivet]

see if i set it to one, it fixes the problem

since we have that 0, it expects another side to exit out from

[subtle bison]

wonder if we can make that variable across materials

[keen rivet]

probably because this is auto pbr but one wall that uses that might not be the same across all others

[lean hatch]

Why not just make a texture option that makes it base translucent? Or is it hard to implement thoes

[subtle bison]

oh hey it wasnt the ubyte 4 patch

it was forcing theMESHGROUP_IS_HWSKINNED flag, which is weird, it only applies to models with more than 1 bone

either way stuff still seems to work with it off

even tho the meshes show, they have unstable hashes for some reason

well actually only a few props, the editor stuff and crossbow bolts are fine

i am waiting for him to do the gangnam style

[keen rivet]

are these somehow conflicting with prop_fixes? because that uses similar stuff we might not even need anymore if hwskinning is on

maybe that could be causing the bugs

[subtle bison]

yeah i was thinking that too

ill look into it tomorrow, im cooked working on the hw skin stuff rn lmao, i wanna fix the api light scaling stuff

ill push the hw skin fixes rq tho

its a few more extra convars that let you control which runtime patches get applied, r_hwskin_force_flag 0 will be off by default (the problematic one)

[keen rivet]

https://media.tenor.com/VykI8AGznggAAAAi/steamhappy-steam.gif

[subtle bison]

is it me or does this look like one of those knock off android gmod clones on the play store

[keen rivet]

it totally does

it also just looks fullbright

[subtle bison]

yeah we have acheived fullbright without fullbright

incredible

[wispy crest]

bro that's grays mod

[subtle bison]

also makes me wonder how well this runs on old hardware since we have reduced this engine to its simplest form

i got a winxp laptop somewhere i could try this on, it has steam still lmao

[subtle bison]

https://github.com/Xenthio/garrys-mod-rtx-remixed/commit/cf9b90adbdda3d2c426e13661ba956786fcedb7f

[keen rivet]

ah my beloved vanilla lights work again

[subtle bison]

wait that fixed lightupdaters??

[keen rivet]

yeah

[subtle bison]

guh

[keen rivet]

remember the model wasnt working at all

[subtle bison]

oh right

my brain cooked

[keen rivet]

huh one is missing

but yeah light updaters fixed and seem to work even with hwskinning enabled

[subtle bison]

known issue with SPR (and maybe PVS)

there is a few maps where some static props just dont show up with it

[keen rivet]

what happend to SPR toggle thats gone i noticed

[subtle bison]

its part of perf mode still

[keen rivet]

oh right yeah

perf mode cant render static props without them

+4 fps from enabling perf mode for me on construct lol

[subtle bison]

the fps gains are seen in maps dense with displacements and static props

also lightupdaters hurt performance a lot due to the entity count themselves

[keen rivet]

yeah but they look better,

is all game lights translation disabled when thats off?

some lights arent api'd so having those still come thru via conversion would be neat

[subtle bison]

yea it is, also we already have converters for those

[keen rivet]

these i dont think are dlight entities but an "effect light" or something which doesnt exist as an entity at all

[subtle bison]

yeah i think im missing those, i know mw base/arc9 tracers work

[keen rivet]

which would make getting them difficult

[subtle bison]

engine patching time

[keen rivet]

oh man 😍

[subtle bison]

thank god volvo planned ahead with their material system design huh

[keen rivet]

the lazy option would just be letting remix light converter take care of them because light updaters didnt either.

since yknow your viewmodel is right there, it'll recieve them lol

[subtle bison]

the remix light converter just picks up on any FF light sent by the engine, so we could totally detour that for API lights

right now everything is lua-based

[keen rivet]

well, why cant we just let those FF lights through?

[subtle bison]

we could if we could sort the lights to block/allow

[keen rivet]

like idk if i understand but whats stopping us from having converted and api light exist

[keen rivet]

any overlapping light i think gets treated as the same light

[subtle bison]

nah they have different hashes

especially for API lights

[keen rivet]

ah

[subtle bison]

you can see for yourself by manually disabling the block game light stuff in the runtime menu

[keen rivet]

where tha

[keen rivet]

ah theyre already off but then i realised i didnt enable api lights

[subtle bison]

anyway, i would prefer to go all-in on API lights, but obviously they're nowhere near perfect for that yet. Ideally we get all of the light info directly from the engine instead of relying on lua and heuristics

[keen rivet]

yeah \

[subtle bison]

king david already did this too

[keen rivet]

api lights would be ideal

just i like the look of the normal ones lol

[subtle bison]

fair, though neither the api or normal ones are correct, and probably wont be to a certain degree

but i dont know if we need to go for absolute perfection since the intention for remix is to allow the artist to change them anyway

anyways time to fix the env light scaling, that is fucked lol

[keen rivet]

oh yeah how the hell do light replacements even work with api lights

do they show up and work in captures?

[subtle bison]

they dont in the normal runtime but i have a patch i cherry-picked from xoxor4d to capture them

[keen rivet]

ah nice

lol these should be merged into base runtime

[subtle bison]

nah, the api lights are meant to be used in like a custom engine or something

[keen rivet]

yeah but like, theyre still useful features to be included

since that means when people make custom engines they dont have to DIY

[subtle bison]

well thats not what i mean. We are using API lights to work around engine limitations for game lights
for a custom engine, you'd already have direct control over API lights using your own code

[keen rivet]

wouldn't the replacement issue still exist then?

[subtle bison]

no because you're intentionally creating the lights with the latter, why would you need to replace them?

the replacement issue exists for us because we're treating them as the original source light

[keen rivet]

idk because modding lol

[subtle bison]

it wouldnt hurt to have, but i dont think nvidia would merge that

[keen rivet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

it just sounds like it makes sense for the whole moddable replacements thing

[subtle bison]

yeah i get where you're coming from

btw @keen rivet do the convars register correctly for your, like the runtime patches and hw skinning?

[keen rivet]

yeah

consistantly every time it seems

[subtle bison]

every couple of game boots they would just not be present for me, i pushed a fix along with the hw skin stuff but hopefully that didnt break anything

[keen rivet]

maybe ive just gotten lucky

[subtle bison]

they were working for me for a while and they suddenly just stopped showing lol

[keen rivet]

are you creating them in lua? they should just work

[subtle bison]

nope

[keen rivet]

creative convars in gmod binary module c++ side sucks cock.

[subtle bison]

im using this

https://github.com/Xenthio/garrys-mod-rtx-remixed/blob/main/source/globalconvars.cpp

but yes they should have been made in lua lmao

[keen rivet]

that looks correct

the other ways involve not doing it thru lua interface and are fucky

[subtle bison]

ye they work for me now after the fixes so maybe its fine

[keen rivet]

blue

[subtle bison]

🟦

[keen rivet]

bluer

[subtle bison]

🔵

[lean hatch]

Wow

[keen rivet]

NRC is really funny lol

[subtle bison]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_qZtLu52nM

[keen rivet]

the issue is like completely solved by making something like very slightlygrey

[subtle bison]

bro just made infinite power holy fuck

[keen rivet]

yeah its like light just bounces around forever

like do you remember thinking as a kid what if you had a laser beam in a mirror ball

thats NRC

[subtle bison]

🤢

[subtle bison]

why does csgo office have silent hill 2 ass fog

[keen rivet]

LOL

[subtle bison]

i think remix is grabbing the 3dsky fog volume

i've seen it happen before

in other news, it seems to use some kind of untextured drawcall for the skybox? its blocking the map light

[keen rivet]

most csgo maps seem to do that

[subtle bison]

yea

[keen rivet]

wonder if their skyboxes use a different shader we dont have

[subtle bison]

i worked around it by turning off the custom 2d sky so the light could at least pass through

[subtle bison]

if its like portal 2 it probably uses a weird cubemap shader

backrooms-lookin ahhhh

fixed the sky 🤓

physical atmosphere my beloved

[keen rivet]

lol

close enough

[subtle bison]

what in the fuckity fuck fuck

breen deep fry

blender-render aaahhhh screenshot

"this will be gmod in 2013"

[keen rivet]

that sun is very soft and spread out

[subtle bison]

penumbra effect but its also a sun disk so it wont be razer sharp unless you force it to be

physically accurate lighting

[keen rivet]

but its like not that spread its only meant to be like a degree or so

[subtle bison]

its just the settings i have it at, look at the vid here

mie anistropy of 1 would be the more physically accurate setting

but i like 0.97 because its sorta sharp but also softer which is really pleasing to me

bol

@keen rivet https://github.com/Xenthio/garrys-mod-rtx-remixed/pull/46 🙂

wonder why im getting these in the console, the patches clearly work

oh fuck im stupid the launcher patched the binaries for this install hudoy

time to remove those patches

holy shit nearly double performance improvement with hardware skinning

[willow fog]

These days I just wake up at random times in the night just to witness the peak that shows up here

[steel lark]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTA1NzQyMTNjZ3E5cmppNmUxN2cydmZ5bzJhZTF6ZTBsMHpubHg3cmkxZjAybTJlMSZlcD12MV9naWZzX2dpZklkJmN0PWc/PBihEkK6xh4YI7JBGz/200.gif

[keen rivet]

[subtle bison]

@keen rivet #1116089843479498782 message
#1116089843479498782 message

does this look more in line with what you're looking for?

[keen rivet]

ye

[lean hatch]

Is that you

[keen rivet]

yeah thats me irl

[subtle bison]

insane

handsome

[lean hatch]

You look stupid

[keen rivet]

https://giphy.com/gifs/brainrot-maymun-dnen-vr9CseLC85kdjC56lR

[lean hatch]

Braindead even

[keen rivet]

what the heck!

[lean hatch]

Stinky

You Smell

[keen rivet]

i just blacklisted your steamid from using autopbr

[lean hatch]

Oh fuck

I was gonna use autopbr on mgrr fuckkkkk

[keen rivet]

yeah sorry you gotta be stinky like me to use it

[subtle bison]

yall ever just open a bunch of file explorers because its easier than going through the ones you already gave open?

[keen rivet]

no

i use tabs

[subtle bison]

i also have tabs

[keen rivet]

(mac habit)

[subtle bison]

i just never use them lmfao

[keen rivet]

i am mac user and i keep only 7 windows open at once

[subtle bison]

im too ADHD to be clean

must re-open the same window multiple times

[lean hatch]

This

[subtle bison]

also how is the tahoe life, i only used the dev beta shortly before i sold my m4 pro

[keen rivet]

its fine

also you sold your m4 pro are you nuts

[subtle bison]

yeah it paid off my college

[keen rivet]

thats like the dream laptop

oh

fair

[subtle bison]

i got a arm64 thinkpad on sale and i love it a lot more

[keen rivet]

that sounds nasty

arm windows

[subtle bison]

nope

linux

[keen rivet]

ok i've never had a good laptop linux experience

[subtle bison]

the model i have is one of the few where mostly everything works

[subtle bison]

its funny because i 100% agree, until i got this laptop

[keen rivet]

macs MOG everything else in terms of laptops

[subtle bison]

arm64 makes everything better

i never had a linux laptop with 10+ hours of battery

until now

[lean hatch]

Mac????? Mac????? MAC!!!!!!! MAC!!!!!

[keen rivet]

arm64 is just fine i wouldn't say its better than x86 laptops really

like theyre nothing crazy

battery life roughly the same

still requires cooling

still gets warm

[subtle bison]

idk i had really bad luck with the laptops i had before, so many vendor specific issues that werent easily fixable

[keen rivet]

Apple silicon however................

welll

[subtle bison]

like if you have a thunderbolt controller, say goodbye to battery life

[keen rivet]

i love my m1 air.

[subtle bison]

yeah i had a m1 macbook pro for a few years

sold it to my friend who needed it more

[keen rivet]

thats kind of you

[subtle bison]

ill prob get a m4 mini if i really crave mac again

but i have a hackintosh near me and that is good enough for rn

[keen rivet]

mac studio 512 gb of ram so you can run local Kimi 2.5 (claude sonnet 4.5 level ai)

[subtle bison]

yeah i saw

crazy

[keen rivet]

no fucking token fees

entire codebase in context window imagine

[subtle bison]

i would use apple silicon more if asahi got more devs under their belt, i love the hardware but imo macOS is turning into vista

[willow fog]

Y'all sleeping on glm 5

[keen rivet]

came out 2 days ago didnt know it existed

[keen rivet]

nearly 500gb q4 quant holy shit

man why are cool things so expensive

[subtle bison]

time to use thunderbolt daisy chaining or whatever its called

get 4 of them studios or some shid

would probably still use less power than a 5090

[keen rivet]

nah 1 studio would be enough for it

[subtle bison]

but imagine doing 4

[keen rivet]

true...

[subtle bison]

more ram for context

[keen rivet]

@NV_Jensen give us some dgx sparks pls

[subtle bison]

lmfao

would love to try remix on that hw

[keen rivet]

its not x86 i dont think

and linux only

lmao

[subtle bison]

@keen rivet both of those arent an issue

i got remix running on my arm64 thinkpad lol

[keen rivet]

oh damn

[subtle bison]

oh mah gah

[keen rivet]

nah i picked max everything on purpose, 512gb ram with 2tb storage is like 16k

which is still fucked but

less

[subtle bison]

ok but how much was the storage increase

apple is notorious for that crap

even before the ram shortage

[keen rivet]

idk but the memory increase was worse

+6000 to go from 128 to 512gb of ram

the shit i would get upto if i had infinite resources and infinite access to learn more knowledge would be crazy

[subtle bison]

fr

[keen rivet]

though i will say amd has their unified memory stuff thats x86 and windows

1 problem, no cuda

[subtle bison]

i mean mlx is a lot better supported than lets say AMD's rocm lol

[subtle bison]

hmm on radv at least, im getting a fuck ton of driver timeouts when there is a bunch of skinned NPCs on screen with hw skinning enabled

has anyone on nvidia gotten similar issues?

the moment i disable hw skinning its stable again

im gonna debug it for my driver anyway just to see what can be fixed because i would prefer to have the almost double perf improvement

[keen rivet]

uhh never noticed it but i didnt spawn many npcs in

[subtle bison]

a bunch of NPCs in itself doesnt really cause it, it has to be whats going on in the video, a fuck ton of movement

[half viper]

thats another thing that should be reported to nvidia

[keen rivet]

techically maybe physically accurate if you had pure 100% white in a box

not the getting brighter part though

okay rewatching it gets a lot brighter so accurate if you have a 110% white

yep 110% reflectivity

[subtle bison]

dude i fucking love open source drivers

fixed the bug but also gained like 20% more perf

all remix changes btw

i wonder if this will help the windows driver

i will probably poke NV about this
https://github.com/sambow23/dxvk-remix-gmod/commit/771aff76b03c62e1d5d3b8b2f4998d3a55495904

[half viper]

20%?

huh

amd gpus only right?

[subtle bison]

i should say it feels like 20%

i havent done any concrete benchmarks

looks like i get some timeouts still but they seem to be happening somewhere else, fun

way less often now tho that is for sure

[half viper]

:/

i still cannot use the launcher

[subtle bison]

wdym

[half viper]

#1116089843479498782 message

same issue

[subtle bison]

@livid rapids not sure what i did but nothing explodes in the rasterized view anymore

this is without your fix

[subtle bison]

have you tried using a phone hotspot/usb tethering or something

i dont have a way to reproduce this atm

[half viper]

its probably on my side

[half viper]

sadly doesnt work

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i havent made any changes since last time

not ones that i remember at least...

[keen rivet]

can you turn the vpn of

[half viper]

i did

didnt work

[keen rivet]

is your system date and time correct?

[half viper]

today is certainly 14th of feburary 2026

8:12am

[keen rivet]

is github blocked where you live?

[half viper]

nope

again

it used to work perfectly fine

[keen rivet]

what about https://nightly.link, is that blocked

[half viper]

i can access the site fine

i can download files from it too

its just the launcher

[subtle bison]

while this did fix my hw skin driver timeouts, it looks like the rest of my other ones are a driver bug with bvh traversal on rdna 4 hardware, i've made like 4 gpu crash dumps and they all look the same

time to make a bug report

at least mesa devs will look at it in comparison to AMD's shitty support

[compact blaze]

it hates white surfaces for some reason, you can even see nrc messing up some times in portal rtx

[compact blaze]

does the sun use emissive lighting?

[subtle bison]

better, its a custom sun disk that is sampled by RTXDI

so inbetween emissive and a distant light

more realisitc

[half viper]

https://tenor.com/view/supernatural-jensen-ackles-dean-winchester-cain-rage-gif-12750601

i have no idea what the hell is wrong with it

tried everything

i think im upgrading to windows 10

[compact blaze]

hamdulillah

[half viper]

lmfao

[compact blaze]

ah asking cause the shadows look really blurry

[subtle bison]

look further down, it was intentional

#1116089843479498782 message
#1116089843479498782 message

[compact blaze]

what gpu do u have btw and what upscaling settings are u using?

[subtle bison]

read my name

[compact blaze]

shit i forgor

[subtle bison]

in the screenshot its XeSS 2 balanced with RCAS sharpening at like .25%

[compact blaze]

output resolution?

[subtle bison]

1440p

[compact blaze]

one day xess will make a denoiser

[subtle bison]

guh

[compact blaze]

also rx 9070 at xess balanced only reaching 50 fps, the path tracing cant be that heavy right?

its rdna 4 and stuff

[subtle bison]

bro i hate to tell you this hardware aint as good as you think

also hl2 plaza map is heavy af

ALSO, the physical atmosphere isnt optimized at all

it takes like 20+fps out

[compact blaze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1116089843479498782/1472059925134971029/2026-02-13_20-39-53.mp4?ex=69913223&is=698fe0a3&hm=08aa370d174b9aca6544f2cf481577fc40ccee2b208b374e6f19b4113d60d86f&

[subtle bison]

?

that is a cpu limited map

anyways here is the fps impact

raster vs physical

[compact blaze]

ah ok

[compact blaze]

111 fps

[subtle bison]

at ultra perf lol

[compact blaze]

nvm

[subtle bison]

but there is like nothing in the BVH on flatgrass

this GPU doesnt scale well with dense maps

its far better than my 2080 so i dont really care

[compact blaze]

I heard perf mode has chunked bvh right?

[subtle bison]

yeah and that helps on those dense maps

[compact blaze]

i wonder if hl2 rtx will add optimizations like that

i really hope they do

[subtle bison]

they could just bake all map geometry onto a replacment attached to a map anchor

so at least its entirely static and the CPU doesnt have to do anything

[compact blaze]

i hope when they finish the content of the mod they dont immediately release it and try work on optimizing it as much as they can

even if its not “pure” remix

[subtle bison]

cp_brew from tf2 shows the difference very well here

its mostly alleviating engine bottlenecks in most cases tho

[compact blaze]

why does enabling perf mode remove decals?

[subtle bison]

because engine rendering is disabled, they are coupled to it. there is no custom renderer for decals yet

[compact blaze]

This map but in remix https://youtu.be/yJG67gmoH1s?si=Roe4A8ktug7EwBK_ ❤️

[compact blaze]

damn 💔

[subtle bison]

ye i tried it, the render targets do some weird shit and your thirdperson playermodel is visible in 1st person

i should check if that still happens

looks like it works but it seems engine bottlenecked completely

that wasnt happening on the standalone perf fork so ill look into that at some point

[compact blaze]

do you reckon the base denoiser in remix could be better, maybe with different denoisers and such like the one used in merian quake

here’s an example of an agnostic denoiser from last year https://youtu.be/ehaiiZGC6zA?si=KqTgIX5Na5nXLNan

seems to look a lot better compared to the one in remix

[subtle bison]

oh wow

definitely a lot cleaner, but idk how this could be applied to remix

i would probably leave nvidia up to it as well

[compact blaze]

ya its annoying how bad nrd is in remix

[livid rapids]

Oh

[weak ermine]

no way

path tracing using full of ur gpu

insane

[compact blaze]

what did u do

[livid rapids]

Had like 3 addons preloading stuff 💀

[zealous narwhal]

What map is this?

[steel lark]

I tried this map in perf but it was bugged too

[polar anchor]

Pseduo weapon breaks RT with cold war weapons

[polar anchor]

Also found out that when my game starts chugging along after a while of playing the game just stops using my gpu @subtle bison

Sorry cant really get a better photo, that overly blinks

When I am in third person (well when I was dead tbh), I found that keeping my camera at one spot got my gpu to work on the game again (usage shot up back to 100%)

[polar anchor]

"[13 22 48.126] err: [43] common device objects were not disposed of." I don't think that was tied to the fps drop off. But it is the last thing that appears in the dxvk log (Had to edit since discord turned some txt into an emoji)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3362335449&searchtext=silent Goes hard

[half viper]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twitter-girl-biting-finger-at-football-game-gif-14721946310722903004

i love this

[steel lark]

do exopbr materials work?? they are just invisible for me with topbr on or off (especifically these viewmodels)

or am i supposed to not install exopbr?

[compact blaze]

@subtle bison

[subtle bison]

no because they use the screenspace_general material which doesnt even render in-engine

so while topbr can convert them fine, they will never show up

[livid rapids]

There's gotta be another way to read them right?

[subtle bison]

well its just a matter of getting them to render in-engine, we could probably force unlitgeneric if we detect screenspace_general

the maps will still get correctly autopbr'ed

[keen rivet]

it's meant to force vertexlitgeneric on them but it must not be properly doing that

must've not implemented it

[gaunt ingot]

how did you get performance mode?

i don't have that for some reason

[subtle bison]

its part of the nightly releases

@winter radish 🥹

[winter radish]

I was expecting peak and just busted out laughing at the crash

don't worry CR, I just need to figure out the dispatch with my implementation

[subtle bison]

i mean it could be an issue with proton maybe?

it did invoke vkd3d because i see a shader cache entry being created

[winter radish]

maybe

[subtle bison]

man i dont wanna boot into windows

if it works there im gonna be so pissed

ah fuck it im gonna find out

[winter radish]

watch it not work

[subtle bison]

also sidenote, i guess optiscaler works in remix again

doesnt crash like it used to for the longest time

@winter radish HOLY FUCK HOLY FUUUUUUUUUUUCK

[winter radish]

You’ll never escape Windows

[subtle bison]

i think the linux issue is because i dont have a fsr4 dll

[winter radish]

Ah great, I gotta update my documentation

[subtle bison]

read what i said in #general-remix

one caveat that might be fixed

[subtle bison]

ok while fsr4 works great and all, i cant play gmod rtx for shit on windows, these driver crashes are driving me insane

[winter radish]

Better upscaling or Better stability 🥀

Sad that you can’t have both

[subtle bison]

ill load into a map, my screen goes black and then my pc reboots

[winter radish]

you should probably dm me the details of your bug so I can forward it to AMD

[subtle bison]

guh i made them 3 reports via their tool

do they not get those

[winter radish]

they do, but remember they probably get thousands of report, what I can do is make more of a priority by directly telling them

Vanguard reports get higher priority

[subtle bison]

will do

[half viper]

amd moment

roundhouse kick Lisa Su into the concrete. slam dunk Lisa Su into the trashcan. launch Lisa Su into the sun. stir fry Lisa Su in a wok. toss Lisa Su into an active volcano. judo throw Lisa Su into a wood chipper. karate chop Lisa Su in half. trap Lisa Su in quicksand. crush Lisa Su in the trash compactor. liquefy Lisa Su in a vat of acid. eat Lisa Su. dissect Lisa Su. exterminate Lisa Su in the gas chamber. cremate Lisa Su in the oven. lobotomize Lisa Su. vaporize Lisa Su with a ray gun. feed Lisa Su to alligators. slice Lisa Su with a katana.

[subtle bison]

real

[half viper]

lmfao kim

[subtle bison]

@modern quest 😭 its not even true 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

i demand my role be "AMD Hater"

[modern quest]

but that's why it's funny 😖

[subtle bison]

😭

[half viper]

wait mod.io and moddb have the same creator?

[lean hatch]

I think the maroon suits you

[subtle bison]

@keen rivet

[keen rivet]

ohhhh that makes sense that needs a seperate cache

because we only store successful things

[subtle bison]

iirc we already skip processed/successful stuff so this is just to alleviate the lag from parsing potentially hundreds (if not thousands) of VMTs each time the spawn menu is open 😛

it can be invalidated by changing the cache ver in the text file or the rtx_topbr_clear command btw

good lawd 500

[keen rivet]

i had a feeling i implemented that yeah

we live in a gmod rtx is so peak world

[subtle bison]

yessir

btw i have fixed light_enviornment api light scaling if you want to give it another try 😛

[keen rivet]

soon we can do this

[subtle bison]

refactor when

[keen rivet]

where is the first place youd want to use it

probably hw skinning

even though it works it would be 100000x readable

[subtle bison]

i mean why not do everything

i plan to re-do SPR but in C++ and directly render to the remix api so it would be nice to have an easy way to read engine geometry 🙂

[keen rivet]

can you not fetch built mesh easily from c++?

[subtle bison]

i dunno i havent looked into it yet

[keen rivet]

culling_fixes.cpp and culling_patches.cpp are pretty similar, lol

just noticing that

they contain some of the same sigs

[subtle bison]

0 lag opening the spawn menu

https://github.com/Xenthio/garrys-mod-rtx-remixed/commit/344bc3154678b7b639af4e0e3c82629d04333eb3

moving everything to a background thread made the biggest difference

shit is so fast now 😻

[half viper]

this makes me so happy

to see how far gmod rtx have come

may allah bless you all

🙏

now if only the launcher would work for me 💔

[keen rivet]

what broken

oh wiat

i remember

download

[subtle bison]

maybe i can add manual package support?

[half viper]

its so over for me

[subtle bison]

so you can download them from your browser and just import them

[keen rivet]

umport

[half viper]

that would be awesome
but im also interested in nightly builds

wouldnt that be kinda hard?

[subtle bison]

shush

naw

@keen rivet something i have noticed is that load times for maps is like 10x slower since adding hw skinning, i havent looked into it other than just observing how slow non-workshop load times are now

it may not even be because of hw skinning

[half viper]

one day we'll have fixed eyes

i must believe

[subtle bison]

i think that day is closer now that we have figured out hw skinning

[half viper]

i wanna see the new eye shader in action

[subtle bison]

me too

[keen rivet]

i havent noticed

[keen rivet]

funny you mention it

i was playing with an idea of making a shader based on how it was done in gwater2

and i was wondering