NFSU2 (Need For Speed Underground 2)

[tawny elk]

I have no idea how one would use unreal for texture creation

[cloud crypt]

getting better but not what i want...

[tawny elk]

Need to whip out something to fix them UVs or change your texture size.

[cloud crypt]

Yeah, im on it

[plain lantern]

Observatory Building quality KEK

[slim coral]

Why do the roads have a lot less puddles than alpha 0.2

[lyric hull]

How do I download the release versions of Bridge and DXVK? There's no links

[cloud crypt]

@tawny elk i think i finally got what i wanted

[lyric hull]

Do I have to build it?

[cloud crypt]

looks good to me, but correct me if i am wrong... i also added several mounting points (looking dotlike) into the texture so the tiling makes more sense

@ember river what do you think?

[cloud crypt]

no... just search dxvk remix and bridge remix

dxvk: https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/actions/runs/6126688698

bridge: https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/bridge-remix/actions/runs/6099434198

you need a git account to download them

[lyric hull]

Thank you! The links at Ekozmaster's repo aren't working.

[ember river]

Looking good. I'd preserve the original Hue tone towards a more yellowish precast concrete. The one you're working have a unexpected greenish tone

[cloud crypt]

doesnt have a color, its a white texture

[timid prairie]

#1103377328530276403 message
How bad does it look?

[balmy chasm]

Seams between tiles are too wide as for concrete structure casted in place. Is it just weird UV's again?

If you added Adam's light over our repo, it is definetelly overlapping lights. When I've been adding my PR to the project, I had to remove few duplicates from other random .usda

[vague sparrow]

there seems to be different branches of everyone's project that's causing issues

[balmy chasm]

Well, I did organize my branch into the Shared Structure, so rewriting my files can be as easy as it is possible

[jade briar]

Nah it's just Adam, who in his infinite wisdom decided to work on his own repo. For some reason.

I still don't know why he did that

[normal drum]

Would it be easier to convert car models from NFS undercover?

[ember river]

Weird, I was referring to the tone difference in this pic specifically. The pillars and beams are different than the concrete above. Guess it might be a lighting issue then, as other pics look ok

@cloud crypt

[cloud crypt]

Yeah

[tawny elk]

It’s in my memoir

[vestal pier]

Maybe this is a stupid question, I don’t know much, but will RTX work with this https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk/releases/tag/v2.2 ?
It changes the API to Vulkan instead of DirectX9

[ember cobalt]

Remix uses dxvk actually, to wrap from dx9 to vulkan

but only dx9 works with Remix as the input

[pallid river]

Found a whole highway with no lights
but idk which light belongs to the poles

I just added warm lights for now

[pallid river]

What's with a bunch of stuff showing up like this from capture?
It carries over to in-game as well if you make any edits to these objects.

Is it alpha or something?

[tawny elk]

Yep

[blazing bone]

Can we replace the light poles please? 🥺

[pallid river]

this ui texture wasn't marked

causing smearing with dlss/fg

same here

and here

[jade briar]

A bunch of textures weren't marked

[pallid river]

I'm so confused rn.
An building is just gone when ehancements enabled.

[vague sparrow]

oh yeah that happened to someone else

its probably some mods interfering

[pallid river]

I mean it exists in normal project and isn't duplicated in layers.

I have no other mods also

guess i could delete that and see

yup that was the issue

[balmy chasm]

I assume it was Visibility overwrite

[pallid river]

So I just tried adding a roughness map to another building and for some reason it completely broke the texture

[balmy chasm]

When you add any texture it applies defaults on other channels

[pallid river]

I did the exact same on another building and this didn't happen
so what did I do wrong here?

[balmy chasm]

Chances this other building had diffuse overwrite already?

[pallid river]

doesn't appear so

just a capture texture

[balmy chasm]

If it has reference to capture folder, that's bad

[pallid river]

I see.

looks like buildings haven't been touched at all by anyone yet

[balmy chasm]

Hemry is doing some work

[pallid river]

not even sure where I would put textures for normal buildings then

guess I could just make it a second mod as to not interfere for time being

[balmy chasm]

Go up to the Artist Notes

[pallid river]

kinda just making random tweaks and additions to see how things look

[balmy chasm]

You might want to do mesh replacements instead of just textures

[pallid river]

I'm gonna be real I know nothing about that.
I can do the pbr maps, material and light stuff, and not much more.

[balmy chasm]

Are you the one who worked in Substance package?

[pallid river]

no

So far only real addition I've made on my own is a whole highway of lights that were missing.

[balmy chasm]

I mean, you can assist modellers with textures if you learn appropriate tools for that

[pallid river]

okay I found where textures would go for buildings if I actually wanted to add anything.

okay so moving textures to proper path fixed the issue

[balmy chasm]

Hope that's not captures folder

[pallid river]

looking for where my highway of lights would actually go

it's just a light added to mesh

found it

guess that's all in da right spot now

[pallid river]

just added a missing set of sidewalks in fortunion

[pallid river]

wonder if there is any way to have animated lights

[balmy chasm]

Only if they're animated in game through changing mesh_hash

[ember river]

With a little bit of luck, that green halo is a unique mesh in which you can replace to have an emissive look inside a proper semaphore fixture thing mesh

[leaden summit]

@jade briarHello, can you send me the corrected file of nfs2

[jade briar]

The what now

[leaden summit]

i will try it

[jade briar]

what

[leaden summit]

bridge-remix dxvk-remix files have been removed so I can't install

so I asked for the installed file that you have.

[jade briar]

I don't think they have been

[dusty grove]

#remix-beginners-guide message

[jade briar]

Everything is there

[leaden summit]

i got it

I have another problem I can't run full screen

game won't open when I install wide screen fix

[jade briar]

Rename d3d9.dll in the main game folder to d3d9.asi

[jade briar]

@ember river Do you see this?

[ember river]

Yeah, I was tracking them down a while ago but there are plenty of those scattered around the map. We have an issue on our repo about them. Not sure what is causing it though, maybe is a missing preserveOriginalDrawCall flag. Idk

[jade briar]

I see

[cloud crypt]

I posted them already here a while back. Have the same problem

[cloud crypt]

Nah, dinput8 to dsound... and widcreenmode 4 @leaden summit

[jade briar]

nuh uh

[cloud crypt]

d3d9.asi doesnt work for me, remix wont even hook then

[jade briar]

Explain this

[cloud crypt]

🤷‍♂️cool that it works for you, but not for me...

[severe solstice]

[cloud crypt]

I didnt say it wouldnt work, but it doesnt for me, and remaming dinput8 to dsound is more compatible.... Then nobody has the risk that it couldnt work🤷‍♂️

[pallid river]

🤯

No clue what that means.
I'm lame so it's an emisssive mask

[cloud crypt]

😂🤌

[pallid river]

Which was annoying to tweak because remix would not register any edits I made to the texture unless I moved it into a different folder every time I hit save.

I wonder if toolkit uses the ai model thingie to make the model edits

then I could actually do models lol

[jade briar]

Not models

But textures

[ember river]

Haha, what I mean is, if that green halo in your pic is a mesh, and that mesh is only used for that specific semaphore green halo, you could replace it with a proper round mesh shaped like the LED lights, and slap a green emissive texture in it

[pallid river]

so your saying rather than editing the traffic light's texture I make a mesh for each of the 3 signal lights?

[vague sparrow]

Yes

Mesh replacement required

[pallid river]

but how would that make it animated?
Is that where semaphore comes in?

[vague sparrow]

If it's an actual animated mesh then it would get removed as well

You just need to add in separate models or modelled texture as a child mesh

And anchor it on top of it

[ember river]

Well I mean, if the green halo alone is a separate unique mesh, you can replace that with a LED light, while also having another mesh for the semaphore fixture, so if the green halo blinks, the mesh you added to it will also blink

[vague sparrow]

Yeah I was telling the same thing

Well in this case

A light fixture could work

[pallid river]

h u h

would the traffic barrier on the title screen happen to be such a thing?

or is that built into the game

[vague sparrow]

check if there's a separate hash for those semaphores lights

[pallid river]

would love to but I think my game is now busted

[ember river]

Well, I only see semaphores blinking yellow 24/7, no green or red lights examples to check

[pallid river]

could the yellow blinking one just be edited?

idk what happened to my game now.
I thought it was cause I renamed the d3d9.dll so I replaced it with a fresh one and no luck

[ember river]

Well I don't think so, the halo texture is reused on many light poles, attention lights and such as well

so, ditching out my original idea

[pallid river]

any way to disable remix without deleting the files

[ember river]

renaming d3d9.dll to ad3d9.dll

[pallid river]

🤦‍♂️

[ember river]

or anything else that isn't loaded by the game

[pallid river]

ok so it's remix breaking the game as shown above

ui works but no picture in game

I didn't edit anything since last night so I guess I'll reinstall base remix files

[ember river]

Have you categorized some textures by yourself, maybe as UI texture?

[pallid river]

I categorized the speedometer and sms as ui last night

[ember river]

If you categorize a world texture as UI texture, the graphics get really fun some times

[pallid river]

but I've restarted the game and such since then before this happened

[ember river]

If you saved the rtx.conf, it will remain as such. Try using the original rtx.conf from rtx-remix-defaults folder

[pallid river]

these

it was the conf

[ember river]

Yeah, I've noticed some textures remix categorizes by itself implicitly. I'm not sure what those textures were meant for, specially that round circle. Maybe it was some fake shadow used by some entity in the world, idk

[pallid river]

oh I think it wasn't the circle I needed marked it was the speedometer numbers

I just deleted 10 ui textures from latest and it didn't solve it so it must be something else I'm missing

just copying and pasting from default now

yeah isn't ui tex

NO WAY

IT WAS FUCKING FREE CAM BEING CHECKED

[ember river]

lol

[dark sail]

Hey so I've successfully installed this in the past, but I wanted to use NFSOR (need for speed online reborn) to play with my friend and found out that my copy wasn't compatible with NFSOR, so I got a new copy and installed RTX Remix the same way as before (and watched the video guide again to make sure I did it right) but it just won't launch the game unless I delete d3d9.dll

[tawny elk]

Rename it be an asi.

[dark sail]

Awesome that worked

Thanks

Now it's running at like 15 frames though, which is weird cause it never happened on my old copy that did work with the dll

[tawny elk]

Uh are you sure remix was working before?

[cloud crypt]

You have to turn it to performance mode

Its set to full resolution by default if i am correct

[dark sail]

I'm sure it was working before, even on balanced it was running better than this, and I have it on ultra performance now, still a little slow and missing most of the light

[cloud crypt]

Then you did smth wrong XD

[dark sail]

Yeah fr

I even copied my all the rtx files from the version that's working and it still runs slow af, it seems like the asi version just performs worse than the dll

[cloud crypt]

Rename dinput8 to dsound and rename .asi to .dll again

[jade briar]

No

[cloud crypt]

Yes

[tawny elk]

Maybe

[vague sparrow]

Precisely

[jade briar]

Undoubtedly

[dark sail]

indubitably

Turns out setting an fps limit in extraOptions did the trick to fix performance, and the missing lights was cause the world detail was turned all the way down

I also turned the rain size to 0 which helped reduce stuttering

[jade briar]

@sharp sinew have you figured out how to disable shadows for the skybox?

[sharp sinew]

No sir, shadow casting as always I'm afraid

You can poke a hole in the sky dome and point your direct light into that hole. Works on chess titans

[jade briar]

So I was thinking about the ending of portal rtx. There's no sun light in the last scene. It couldn't have been an oversight

[sharp sinew]

Oh yea good catch

I did get it working once now I think about it. Not sure how though

[jade briar]

Did you?

[sharp sinew]

I was having issues with bc5 images and got grumpy and gave up though

[jade briar]

Hmm

[sharp sinew]

The meshes I used are in chess titans mod download. You have that don't you

SkyDome.usda

[jade briar]

I think I do

Yeah

[sharp sinew]

Have a look at it in notepad and compare with a normal USDA file. Might be a clue

Back face culling or something

[jade briar]

@ember river

Pom test on the sine walls?

[sharp sinew]

Make a heightmap for a texture you already have in game. Search mod.usd for that texture for example "sinewall_diffuse.dds" or something and I select the line with four tabs and a "(" and paste this over it
#general-remix message
Replace texture path with diffuse map path and swap the diffuse texture name for the name of your heightmap

[ember river]

Quite sick ain't it?
Though, I don't know what mark meant with being bad on vertical walls. Gotta spend some time testing it

The original I made I didn't even bake highpoly to low poly normals, it was just bump map -> chaiNNer

[ember river]

I've been working for some really long time on this. Any feedbacks, maybe something obvious I'm doing wrong?

Here is a vid

[ember cobalt]

damn, that's looking really nice

[jade briar]

Maybe make them twice as dense?

Looks kinda weird right now

[ember river]

You mean, the Raphis palms or just vegetation in general?

[jade briar]

In general

[ember river]

Good one. I'm still thinking about what to put in the middle, and also to fill the grass tops surrounding the palm trees and poles

[jade briar]

Grass cards?

[ember river]

Yeah, some kind of short but dense vegetation to cover the ground and hide the grass soil

[jade briar]

Yes

[ember river]

I have some cool stuff on my backyard, but its night time rn

[jade briar]

Ur phone has a torch?

[ember river]

Yeah, though pics tend to get overexposed with too much highlights from a single point of light to handpaint away

[digital salmon]

UE5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK88kCzjgmE

[spark moon]

overcast works best

[dapper root]

Hey guys, any idea why the game freezes and stops responding when entering the car lot for the first time?

[jade briar]

reinstall

[dapper root]

;-;

[ember river]

Good thing I woke up today and guess what, perfect weather

[dark sail]

Hey guys if you've noticed some areas turn completely black I fixed it, let me know if you want me to upload my rtx.conf

Or if anyone has a really good config could you post it

[jade briar]

What did you change?

Some areas are dark because no lights have been added yet

[fiery steeple]

pls help

[jade briar]

I can not understand a single word of that

[ember river]

Seems like a permission error pretty much. You installed the game in a folder in some way that you don't own and have no rights to edit the WidescreenFix.ini file. You can either change the owner of the whole NFSU2 folder to be your windows user, or install the game somewhere else where you'd have more control

[fiery steeple]

how

[pallid river]

No stick third party stuff in program files cause windows dumb
even as admin windows will laugh at you in there

@fiery steeple
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/take-ownership-windows-8

so either move game to root of drive or some other folder that isn't windows owned, or do that

[visual remnant]

Better move the game to a different place instead of messing the Program Files permissions

[pallid river]

or move the ini to desktop, edit it, then drag it back

idk what perms you have so that may or may not work

there is a reason where steamlibrary isn't in program files lol

[visual remnant]

This game is pre-UAC era so it will not cooperate well in Vista style Program Files permission environment.

[fiery steeple]

ok

game open close pls help

pls help

[pallid river]

did you rename dinput8.dll to dsound.dll?

wait a second

why is the github stuff in your dxvk-remix folder?

[visual remnant]

That's the git repo for dxvk-remix, you don't need to donwload that.

[ember river]

Go to the actions tab of bridge and dxvk and download the latest green one rather than downloading the zip from the green button on their main pages. You need the release built files, not the source code 😉
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/bridge-remix/actions (Build #248)
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/actions (Build #29)

Also here is Widescreenfix for NFSU2
https://github.com/ThirteenAG/WidescreenFixesPack/releases/tag/nfsu2

[vital zinc]

It's running but yeah, as you guys mentioned 😄 2fps

will try to change resolution cause i have qhd hehe

[pallid river]

dlss

[vital zinc]

I run on Radeon 😄

[pallid river]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

F in chat

maybe 720p?

[vital zinc]

okay, now i can check it at least, it works 😄

[vital zinc]

480p 😄

[pallid river]

what radeon

[vital zinc]

6700xt

[pallid river]

also uh I think I might see something that's tanking your fps...

[vital zinc]

it's undervolted a bit

[pallid river]

WHAT IS THAT

[vital zinc]

gonna try TAAU

[vital zinc]

nevermind xDDD

some stuff to do u know

i have 16gb ram, can afford it.
cpu ryzen 5600x. will play with some settings, in case of any success will write here

[pallid river]

you can turn off high quality denoiser

can lower RIS samples

it's bugged and RIS count affects performance even when not in use (at least it says not in use)

[vital zinc]

thx for tips! its int rtx.conf, right?

[pallid river]

the menu with alt+x is easier

first is under normal graphics settings

[vital zinc]

i can't see it with 480 resolution ahahahahaha

[pallid river]

second is under lighting in dev menu

[vital zinc]

ahahahahaha

[pallid river]

use taau at 4k idk

[vital zinc]

oh, i see the y-scroll

[vital zinc]

Okay, I changed a lot of settings and on modified high preset it looks kinda ok in stretched fullhd
but not playable. if i put resolution to 0.5, it's playable (if I want to buy a new videocard in few months because it will burn haha), but looks like a game from early 00's (second screen). i did something with my shadow and forgot about it. Gonna try some different settings, because it's a lot of fun, reminds me my 3d max experience haha. thank you guys. I will research for fsr, if it's applicable

[ember cobalt]

back up your current profile, and try these:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028444668918235197/1112193659643899985/rtx.conf
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1106420949257044061/1116938202373165169/rtx.conf

then turn on TAA U, and use 0.5

this should retain a lot of graphical quality while improving performance

[vital zinc]

hmm. i think, my config does a better job. this conf both are too bright and look commonly worse imo

[pallid river]

what's the big box around the car though

[vital zinc]

shadow 😄

[pallid river]

that's ain't from remix

[vital zinc]

I changed this setting randomly and forgot where it is

[ember cobalt]

stuff definitely just looks wrong in your images

[vital zinc]

gonna find later. its 5am now

[pallid river]

make sure you have the right nfs settings too

[ember cobalt]

i did forget that the textures aren't marked in those configs though. gotta transfer that from the ones in the repo

[vital zinc]

but common lighting is kinda ok (in my photos)
because this is with your file

[ember cobalt]

yeah, that's from textures not being marked. my bad

[vital zinc]

I see, I backuped anyways so np

[ember cobalt]

here

just turn on TAAU

[vital zinc]

While I played with settings I understood how it might look. But my card just can't give me even 30fps on fullhd with cool settings. I love indirect lightings but this setting is so heavy

[vital zinc]

oh, thx, gonna try now

[ember cobalt]

with those settings + TAAU, i got double the FPS that i had with my default config in a couple other games

[vital zinc]

Yeah, that's dope. but i put resolution to 1. overwise I got colin mcray 2.0 😄

[ember cobalt]

lol

how's FPS?

[vital zinc]

10 or smth haha. amd counter doesn't show it right

with 0.5 it is 20-25

full hd

[ember cobalt]

ouch. it's a shame that AMD cards perform so badly in PT

that's about as low as you can go in terms of settings without sacrificing overall image quality

[vital zinc]

I will research about fsr integration with this nvidia technology, maybe will find something.

[ember cobalt]

support for FSR 2.x has to be manually added to Remix. after FSR 3 releases, i imagine there will be a lot of people wanting FSR support to be added. a lot of us are on 20 and 30 series Nvidia cards

[vital zinc]

yep, unfortunately. But i can use it as render to my career cars tho

[ember cobalt]

you can use tools like magpie for FSR 1.x, but they have a high performance cost and also just don't look very good. TAAU is better imo

[vital zinc]

thank you for valuable info. send you a hug. this is so awesome anyways. I think that 6800 and higher can provide 30+ fps in full hd in this mode. But I chose card mostly to play in aaa games like rdr2 etc and I bought it for 300$. was a nice deal anyways.

gonna sleep now. it was interesting. thank you all again. wish u all the best ❤️

[vague sparrow]

Lossless scaling has a slight performance increase

Than magpie

[ember cobalt]

for me it was actually worse

[indigo dust]

Radeons are just ass as path tracing

RDNA3 cards run path traced games better, but RDNA2 is just a catastrophe

[severe solstice]

https://cdn.betterttv.net/emote/60d268748ed8b373e421802e/1x.gif

[ember cobalt]

does this game still have that annoying DLSS ghosting issue?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1106420949257044061/1152711058990059530/Barnyard_2023-09-16_17-00-07.mp4

for example

[jade briar]

yes

[ember cobalt]

okay. could one of you add onto a bug report i'm filing with details regarding it? i'll post the link here when it's done

[jade briar]

I'll check

[ember cobalt]

here's the issue to add onto: https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/247

[vital zinc]

guys, is it any chance to use these textures without rtx? I decided to run the game with graphix mode and m looking for textures, so many oversharpen crap. and textures here looks amazing btw

[surreal ruin]

Nah, they're built for PBR pipelines, the normal game can't use them

[vital zinc]

I see. I could write a converter probably, but I'm too lazy for this. maybe in another life 😄

[surreal ruin]

Nah, no such thing, PBR pipelines uses Albedo, Normal and Roughness maps in order to define surfaces etc, whilst the normal game only uses a diffuse texture

The only way to convert them over would be to use a 3D tool to bake the final materials into a diffuse texture only, which would be a ton of work and would look like shit due to losing their dynamic rendering

[vital zinc]

for first part there are should be a ton of plugins. but i see the point. they are rednering dynamically depending on camera position I guess, so its pointless, right?

[surreal ruin]

Well not just camera position but, in a very simple term yes I suppose

[vital zinc]

and lightings etc

[surreal ruin]

And yes there are ways of doing it, but you'd have to set up rendering pipelines that actually make them look good, pick out HDRI's to match the environment etc etc

It's not a one click conversion

And even after doing that, you'd still just end up with static images as textures

Which completely ruins the entire point of any of these textures haha

[vital zinc]

yeah, and dissapointed with result and remake it multiple times, gosh. don't

[vital zinc]

would be easier to buy an rtx card in future and give mine to my brother lol

[surreal ruin]

I'm not saying it would be hard to do, it definitely wouldn't

But it would be time consuming and visually look nowhere near what you see in the pathtracer

[vital zinc]

I see. Don't want to get unnecessary emotional damage haha

[surreal ruin]

That does sound preferable

If we could just plug in a normal raster renderer instead of the path tracer we probably woulda done that tbh

Same workflow just.. without all the issues XD

[jade briar]

I mean. If someone's up to doing that, then that'd be great

Remix is open source

So implementing a good raster renderer should be possible

And not really that hard

Just need to make a raster renderer

[surreal ruin]

Easy!

[jade briar]

Aight

Get to work

[surreal ruin]

I would, but uh, my dog ate my pc

[jade briar]

Oh...

Understandable

[surreal ruin]

Yeah it's a real shame! Was really looking forward to simply writing a renderer too! Gosh darn 😭

[jade briar]

Maybe next time

[surreal ruin]

Aah yeah no I think my dog is eating my next computer too

[jade briar]

[simple light]

where did the tutorial for downloading and installing this go lol

[jade briar]

Check the GitHub repo

[sharp sinew]

oh right

[surreal ruin]

Yeah me too.

[jade briar]

That does appear to be true

[soft isle]

Im sorry about that 4yr old daughter had my keyboard when i wasn't in the room

[surreal ruin]

Why would you delete the highly complicated code she used to communicate with us? I was just about to ship the parts she ordered for that lazer pistol!

[soft isle]

lol I deleted to keep the thread tidy

[surreal ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmnotbad-hmm-letmethink-imthinking-thinking-gif-5567970

This thread... tidy... hmmmm...

[jade briar]

Calling this thread tidy would be a huge exaggeration

[spark moon]

Working so many ppl together making more complicated can make new game if u guys have this much knowledge which will be easier than working on a old game

[jade briar]

I'm just a mere artist

I have very little knowledge of game dev

[surreal ruin]

@spark moonYeah this is severely underestimating the difference in actual dev vs modding

[vague sparrow]

"I'm just a mere artist" -🤓

[spark moon]

No saying bcz we are at the era is possible...inviduals are making game... only direction part will be tough

[surreal ruin]

As someone who works in actual games development, there's a pretty massive difference 😛

And yes you're correct, tonnes and tonnes of people are making games in their spare time now! And 99 % of those games are never seen or finished X)

The amount of unfinished projects I have myself is quite staggering

[jade briar]

I think that's the theme with every art project

My blender folder has 414 subfolders, and a good 75% of them are unfinished

[surreal ruin]

100 %

[leaden belfry]

hi guys, why do you all have matte cars? Is it possible to set roughness to 0 in material?

[surreal ruin]

It's an issue with how the game functions, it generates textures in run-time due to the painting and decals feature, thus we have no direct access to the cars specific material

You can overide and do it to one specific car on your local machine for example, but as soon as anything about that car changes it won't work anymore

The lads are trying to figure out how to work around this but as of right now there's nothing we can really do about it

[leaden belfry]

oh ok

[spark moon]

now its posible

[surreal ruin]

Neat!

What changed?

[jade briar]

I don't think it is

[surreal ruin]

Not quite so neat!

[spark moon]

under terrain system experimental they have added material settings speratly....set the vehicle color to terrain texture then adjust material settings....change cascade map first level to 0.100...try

[surreal ruin]

Aaaaah

That's just about the hackiest workaround I've ever heard, but that would make sense

[vague sparrow]

can you show us?

please

[jade briar]

That's not very

uhhhhhhh

yeah

Sub optimal

[surreal ruin]

It's not a GOOD solution by any means and it does mean this project couldn't use the terrain feature

Luckily, I don't think we'd ever need to?

[jade briar]

Probably not

All the meshes in the game are static

And prebaked

Except for cars

But they aren't terrain

So eh

[spark moon]

this is how evhicle colors rae working in san andreas other wise dont

[surreal ruin]

The issue there is that every car would be bound to the exact same material settings

Which is certainly better than 100 % matte cars, but definitely not a long term solution

[spark moon]

works for me little buggy as in experimental

[spark moon]

check

[ember river]

Problem with terrain system is it works as a orthographic top-down projection, so decals and paint details on vertical surfaces of cars will be smeared vertically

[surreal ruin]

Oooh yikes das no good

[spark moon]

set metalic to 1.0

rougnees to 00 or something

[surreal ruin]

That has nothing to do with the problems described

[spark moon]

my car also looked same thats y

[surreal ruin]

RIght but that means it's just another janky work around that won't actually be sufficient in the end

The cars need to be able to have textures, which with this method they can't

[spark moon]

yea not perfect works for san andreas

[desert ridge]

The new height map feature look quite promising, but some textures appear slightly misaligned.

height map without normal map

height map with normal map

normal map only

I think it's best to use actual geometry for the tire tread.

[balmy chasm]

What is the new height map feature? Does it work in Remix?

[desert ridge]

It's a new remix feature that allows you to add the following parameter to the material.(AperturePBR_Opacity.mdl only)
asset inputs:height_texture = @./DAE96F69F1569E50_height.dds@ (
colorSpace = "raw"
)
float inputs:displace_in = 0.05

[balmy chasm]

Does it work as subD+displacement?

[desert ridge]

I think it will look great for the road texture.

No, it's a traditional parallax effect.

[ember river]

What do your maps looks like?

[balmy chasm]

Roads don't have much of an elevation to be fair

That's a greyscale

[ember river]

and normals?

[balmy chasm]

Have you applied it to tire surface only or entire wheel?

[desert ridge]

Tire only

[balmy chasm]

You showed the full height map

[jade briar]

It's pom

[balmy chasm]

Sorry, what? You mean we can make fancy buildings now?

[ember river]

I'd rework the mesh itself, so you could add more polys to make that tire round, remap the UVs to make better use of texture space, maybe could get away with a 1024x map

[desert ridge]

The other part doesn't have any height detail. White color means it's flat, and black color means it's concave.

[jade briar]

That's a different technique

Based on pom

But a little different

[balmy chasm]

Well, I mean... We don't need to model car engine insides at least. I've seen how well they can look with such method

[desert ridge]

No, the rooms in the building still need actual geometry. I am currently completely redoing the building's rooms with real geometry.

[balmy chasm]

Sure. But I hope they'll add it so creating a building a matter of applying a texture on the flat plane

[desert ridge]

All the chairs, tables and sofas are BlenderKit assets. When I use these high-poly assets in Blender's geometry node, it causes the software to hang. Therefore, I have created low-poly versions of the sofas and tables for the time being. I hope it can maintain good quality geometry while remaining stable during gameplay.

The polygon count is a bit too high right now.😅

[ember river]

Modeling vegetation for this game has been really joyful

[vague sparrow]

some of these day times shots are realy impressive

[balmy chasm]

It will be great if you try to find some solution to get rid of dark undersides of leaves. Some sort of faking SSS

[cloud crypt]

Its a hard shadow caused by remix.

And why should you want sss

In my eyes, subsurface scattering is kinda bad

[jade briar]

yes, and sss gets rid of the hard shadows

[cloud crypt]

But you cant implement it...

Atleast not for now

[sharp sinew]

Btw you can creat MDL files with substance designer. Isn't that the format remix uses?

[jade briar]

interesting

I think the shaders used for the runtime are hardcoded

And the mdl files are for omniverse only

I could be wrong

[sharp sinew]

That's a shame, the substance designer tutorial for making a MDL file is for making a car paint specifically.
https://youtu.be/di7lq6_Whvw?si=TXJt0nipKqAqG7vP

[surreal ruin]

If you want to get rid of the hard shadows all you have to do is some manual vertex normal editing

It's how we did it in the beforetimes, before we had fancy SSS

Just make the bottom normals face upwards in the same general direction as the upwards faces

This will shade them accordingly

[balmy chasm]

Great solution ngl

[jade briar]

But it's not the beforetimes anymore

We're in the ago of realtime path tracing

Give me real sss, or give me death

[ember river]

I know right, would be sick! Sadly idk of a way to implement anything close to sss (maybe dropping opacity should fake it a bit just like I was having that glowing outlines issue a while ago, @sharp sinew ?). This is why I've been picking vegetation with thick leaves for now, but even those don't look 100%

[vague sparrow]

death

[jade briar]

[ember river]

We use MDL to roughly show in OV how the runtime material will look like, and to save material properties in the usd/usda file in the way the runtime can parse, but the shader is still hardcoded. They use slang btw:
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/blob/main/src/dxvk/shaders/rtx/concept/surface_material/opaque_surface_material_interaction.slangh

[sharp sinew]

Oh right, that's a shame. Cheers Eman

Need a technical artist in here

[cloud crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/why-persian-room-cat-guardian-but-why-trendizisst-anyaboz-gif-2156104475561014590

[sharp sinew]

Car shaders and sub surface scattering

[surreal ruin]

Do we have access to clear-coat?

Because if so we can get some nice looking carpaint without hyper complex shaders

[ember river]

Guess not. Best we have is a "thin film" property to simulate a thin (to the nanometer units) translucent coating surface like the ones in oil and bubbles that gives that colorful optical look

[surreal ruin]

That's basically the same thing as a clearcoat! Should work decently enough

[surreal ruin]

This is just a render out of something else right?

[timid prairie]

it makes short reference to U2, but it looks like it, yeah

[cloud crypt]

NFS U2 UE5 Trailer Render in Blender

[surreal ruin]

How is it a UE5 thing if it's in blender? O.o

[cloud crypt]

Corrected the sentence, a word was missing

[surreal ruin]

Oooh okay right, didn't know the UE5 port dev was russian!

[ember river]

Ahhh yeah, they even captured the annoying pendulum effect when weaving through train tracks

[cloud crypt]

He is german, like me🤣

[surreal ruin]

Then why is the text in russian O.o

[cloud crypt]

Just found this on tiktok and wanted to share it with you

[ember river]

Pretty cool

[ember river]

Those walls are great candidates for POM

[jade briar]

Who added this texture?

[cloud crypt]

I did

These are my textures i made for my Tokyo Nights mod a while back

I still have them

[desert ridge]

I'm excited to see NFSU2 evolve to the next level.

[jade briar]

So did you get this working?

[desert ridge]

I'm not sure why the transparency texture for the mesh replacement isn't working in the game, so I'm recreate the objects into actual mesh geometry. Currently, I'm working on creating low-poly furniture.

[jade briar]

That may be a little too much?

[ember river]

Honestly, you could just render cubemaps of them and slap on a 5-face cube texture and call it the day.
We won't be seeing most of the furniture from road angle

[jade briar]

That what I was thinking

[desert ridge]

The simple way is to cut out the mesh within the transparent area, but I prefer to do it differently using actual mesh geometry. This allows me to reuse the assets in other games later on.

[jade briar]

True

[pallid river]

Those walls already look sick.

[desert ridge]

You're correct, since we don't actually see the furniture, I focused on modeling the pendant light and the ceiling. For the furniture, I intended to use well-made assets from BlenderKit. However, duplicating the furniture using the geometry node failed due to high polygon count. Perhaps I was too persistent in trying to make it look detailed, even though we can't see all the details from a "down-top" view.

[cloud crypt]

Yeah, because the normal and roughness maps of this texture took me a hole day

[jade briar]

@ember river

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/581r9O

Do you think this could be achieved with the current pom implementation?

[ember river]

Yeah, this why I suggested going for a texture atlas + randomly UV mapped 5-face cubes. You can use the high poly furniture to render cube faces into a larger texture atlas, then generate a handful of UV-offset faces to use as a "input collection" to the geo nodes. You could instance a single point per room (maybe a mesh with a single vertex in each room's position) and then use the "instance on points" node to randomly spawn faces from the collection

[ember river]

Up to some extent with some trickery, it might be. The current POM is sort of like a orthographic top-down view to the texture, so the walls would be just a stretched pixel like this pic, unless we make the back face of the cube a bit smaller than the front window and use some clever reprojection baked in the POM to bring it back to it's target depth

Not ideal still, if someone flies close the effect would fall apart pretty quickly

[desert ridge]

Since the height map is only a projection based on a "depth" map, we cannot create fully 3D multi-angle rooms.

[jade briar]

hmm

yeahhhh

[ember river]

@tawny elk my boy, could you tell me what are those screw thread things on rodeo drive light poles?
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0681217,-118.4018588,3a,20y,183.64h,118.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHCRU0n59f9Ios3kNiR9HbQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Looking better they are actually springs. Some kind of shock absorbers

[desert ridge]

It's either an alien signal receiver or a psychic dominator.

[ember river]

Oh cool, yeah, the more you know 👀
https://bannerad.en.made-in-china.com/product/yjcEiOrhfUVk/China-Stainless-Steel-Street-Light-Pole-Advertising-Flag-Kit-BTT-.html

TL;DR

[tawny elk]

Neat

[desert ridge]

The term "BTT" stands for "Brain-wave Telepathy Terminal," providing a clear explanation of its meaning.🤣

[cloud crypt]

what tools are good to create poms? I have installed some... like i have painter, sampler, photshop... with materialize i only can create ambient occlusion maps

[ember river]

I think blender might be good for that. Thinks there are some options to bake depth maps, which is what you want essentially

[cloud crypt]

Ok thanks, but i also found a way to do it with Photoshop.

One last question before i try: Displacement Map = Height Map right? I hat that there are so many different names for that😅

[ember river]

I see heightmap term used for a lot of things, while displacement is usually meant for actually displacing the geometry/vertices

[cloud crypt]

ok thx, but anyways, without knowing much about that i created new maps

with full displacement

[ember river]

Looking quite good

[trail quail]

Try not a cubemap but the camera with a little perspective view, and then use depth as a height map, this way you'll get some walls and floor cuz of perspective

It'll be not perfectly like room like

But may work from a distance

[ember river]

Oh good one, for any face other than the back one, add that lil perspective touch.
@desert ridge

[trail quail]

Yup

[cloud crypt]

all maps i made

probably have to use Height + Normal to create a POM

but we also could test the AO map as POM

looking like this

but i have to note that the texture size now is a bit different, i made them 2048x1024 so tiling is better

og size is about 2900x1394

og was 2,08:1 and new is 2:1

so nearly the same

[ember river]

I'd cleanup the smaller holes on brick surfaces, as they are roughly the same gray level as the mortar layer/cavities, which makes them too deep for a POM

[cloud crypt]

maybe, its a ambient occlussion map, but i could do height + normal to pom

i will see what i can do

[ember river]

This first one looks good. Maybe if you remap the levels and increase contrast a bit to amplify the black-white range it should look pretty good, and you can leave the microdetails to the normalmap

[cloud crypt]

smth like this?

i could try to flat it out a bit more if needed

[ember river]

Hmm might be good, I can't eyeball a good pom tbh, but it seems about right

[ember river]

Also, you'd want to maximize the gray range from 0 to 255 and use the displaceIn param to control the actual depth

[balmy chasm]

Have you tested in-game already? I have a feeling we will get a sharp edge on between UV tiles, just like on the example Hemry showed

[desert ridge]

Perhaps I can create a panoramic equirectangular image of the room, which includes the Z depth information, and then map it onto a cube.
I have conducted research to determine if there is an easy way to accomplish it in Blender.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/29678510/convert-21-equirectangular-panorama-to-cube-map

[desert ridge]

I believe it's not a good idea to use a POM height map on a curved surface. However, theoretically, this problem may not occur on a flat plane surface.

[balmy chasm]

That's what I'm concerned about. The fact you won't see cobbles on the edge of the wall when looking from the side. So that only mesh replacement seem valid option

[desert ridge]

That's a good point, perhaps this method is much easier to execute in Blender.

[desert ridge]

That's why I mentioned it's suitable for the road texture, as it looks good from a "top-down" view but not as good from the side view (wall). However, when used for room interiors with a limited viewing angle, it's worth giving it a try.

[cloud crypt]

No sry, i was sleeping until now

[cloud crypt]

Ok it looks like that with the new height map

the old one was too flat with the same settings

creating a POM

[desert ridge]

Why is the wall has transparent? Isn't a height map simply a grayscale map that represents depth details?

[cloud crypt]

uh, POM is a Parallax Occlusion Map, it needs alpha channel to work

basically you take the Normal map and put the alpha channel from the height map in it

[jade briar]

Normal maps shouldn't be transparent.

[cloud crypt]

its not a normal map god damn

[jade briar]

What the what are you on about.

It just needs a grey scale heightmap

Nothing else.

[cloud crypt]

well, the internet does say something else

[tawny elk]

I don’t know what you read, but I assure you that the height map is not an alpha combination of a normal map and displacement

[cloud crypt]

who talks about height map??

i talk abou a pom

[desert ridge]

https://apoorvaj.io/exploring-bump-mapping-with-webgl/#parallax-occlusion-mapping

[ember river]

Think you guys might be confusing the software. The remix runtime expects a single grayscale bc4 image just like for roughness. I guess hellraven might be using some software (materialize?) that uses normalmap's alpha channel as pom heightmap

[vague sparrow]

?

we used that for windows

[jade briar]

Pom uses a height map as an input. Pom is just a technique to add height detail. It can accept any input if you program it in.

In case of remix. It requires a normal grey scale heightmap

[cloud crypt]

okay now i get it...

because i found different ways for POM, Minecraft for example needs it the way i was doing it

[balmy chasm]

I thought you just showed us how old normal map had non-opaque spots .-.

[jade briar]

It depends on the implementation.

[desert ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM7RjEtZGHw&ab_channel=CemYuksel

[cloud crypt]

saw the video already

he explained what a POM is but not how it can be created

or what implementations there are

but now since i know that we need a grayscale its all fine

[jade briar]

Again. Every implementation is different. Remix implementation requires a height map. Grey scale.

[vague sparrow]

and it only protrudes inwards

[cloud crypt]

ok, then i am asking, why we dont use that?

[balmy chasm]

What's that?

[cloud crypt]

height map

[jade briar]

It IS what we have to use

Nothing else will work.

[balmy chasm]

This one looks good already

[balmy chasm]

And this one is more a Diffuse than Height with shadows in place

[cloud crypt]

yeah, we might have to change the roughness map with the diffuse map. Because that is currently in use as _rough in textures/walls

[desert ridge]

I'm not proficient in real-time graphics, and it's possible that the techniques have advanced since the video was made last year. Graphic technology is constantly evolving every day.😉

[cloud crypt]

it is exactly that one

bt i already created a new roughness, so it wouldnt be a problem to change them

[desert ridge]

Did you intentionally add a blurry effect, or is it part of the original image?

[cloud crypt]

thats shadowing

[cloud crypt]

thats what e-man meant with that sentence here

[ember river]

If only the rocks were 3D modelled and you happen to still have them around, you could render a depth map of the high poly mesh in blender and use that as heightmap. That would be the perfect approach

[balmy chasm]

If they're modeled than why not just mesh replace 🥲

[cloud crypt]

because they arent

[ember river]

Lol good one. Though since it is a tileable texture, would be hard to replace those walls

[cloud crypt]

wouldnt that one work as height map?

[ember river]

Maybe, could also be better than the previous one

[cloud crypt]

same map just layered 3 times

but i sill dont get it. what do we need for a pom exactly, height map or diffuse map?

[vague sparrow]

@cloud crypt i think you should try Alex's AI POM generator from his tool

what are using rn? materialize?

[desert ridge]

This area could be incorrect if you utilize this texture as a height map.

[cloud crypt]

Materialize and Potoshop

[ember river]

Height all the way

[cloud crypt]

ok

[cloud crypt]

thats a diffuse, not a height

[ember river]

Basically, a white pixel means the surface depth will be at the geometry level, and a black pixel will be the deepest cavity in the pom, thats it

[desert ridge]

Does your PBR texture come with a height map, or did you create it yourself?

[ember river]

The runtime only projects the texture deepth-wise, based on the pixel gray level. It won't project outwards above the geometry level

[cloud crypt]

thx for the explanation

[cloud crypt]

everything is selfcreated, even the texture i made my self

and it looks like that already #1103377328530276403 message

For now here are 3 types of height maps i could generate/create with photoshop

[balmy chasm]

I vote for least aggressive one

[cloud crypt]

so the first 1?

[desert ridge]

Are you saying that you took the photo of the wall yourself? Your dedication to this project is impressive, and it makes me feel a bit embarrassed that I simply used some PBR textures from a CC0 website and combined them with AI upscaled images in GTASA. I'm not particularly skilled in texturing; my strengths lie in modeling.

[desert ridge]

vote for the second image

[cloud crypt]

not completely
i used several textures for that like like concrete and stones and combined them into 1

i dont have the equipment for scanning them, but, i can take some plain textures and add my own magic to them XD

[desert ridge]

Height map info from Mark
#general-remix message

[cloud crypt]

i wait for e-man and adam o tell which could work best, but i think we have to try a bit

[ember river]

I'd test them all and eyeball what looks more precise with the depth intention of such bricks irl

[cloud crypt]

ok, ill send them as .dds

[ember river]

Ideally, you want your image to have gray levels ranging from pure white to pitch black, so you can control the actual depth using that displaceIn parameter in the material with more precision

[ember river]

I mean, if I were you, I'd do that, no need to send anything 😉 I'm just poking you with ideas like anyone else lol

[cloud crypt]

it should be in that range, in photoshop on my IPS Monitor with 126% sRGB and 95% DCI-P3 i can clearly see a range of greylevels XD

[ember river]

You can see a histogram if you open the "Adjust Levels" filter in PS (Ctrl+L in Krita)

[balmy chasm]

Also have you adjusted photoshop color space to be above sRGB?

[cloud crypt]

For now the float point is set to 0.05
and i used
asset inputs:height_texture = @./textures/height.dds@ ( colorSpace = "raw" ) float inputs:displace_in = 0.05

version 1

[ember river]

Hmm, if the texture is mapped to a 1 square meter of worldspace geometry, then 0.5 would be a range from 0 to half a meter deep (white to black, respectively)

Oh, you edited. 0.05 = 5cm then

[cloud crypt]

verion 2

maybe i have to set it to smt smaller because the world uses a really really small scale

ingame i m hitting the wall but im not hitting it XD

scene scale is like that

using 0.005, new problem fould: that white hole in the ground XD

[balmy chasm]

It is now just flat

[cloud crypt]

yeah, now i am using another height map with 0.01 flo

[desert ridge]

It appears that the normal surface is not using white as a plain surface, or there might be holes in the ground in the original game?

Alternatively, it's possible that there is an issue with the implementation of the height map code.

[cloud crypt]

float point of 0.02 seems to do good

[desert ridge]

I believe version 1 looks satisfactory, but it would be better to avoid using excessively strong values.

[cloud crypt]

0.05 was too high

i could try 0.025 but the height map used is the one from verson 1

thats how it looks when you look directly on it from a small angle

[balmy chasm]

Wierd it has some sort of strong shadows. And no shadows from headlights or at least anything from surrounding

[cloud crypt]

there are if you look closely, the headlights just arent bright enough

but good thing you mentioning them, because they defenetly have to be reworked

i can see if the strong shadows maybe are baked into the albedo, because then i have to smth about it

[desert ridge]

It's possible that the diffuse map contains too many dark areas, which could be the reason for its unusual appearance.

[cloud crypt]

the first 1 is the original used in remix for now i created myself
the second 1 is the basecolor i extraced with substance sampler

[vague sparrow]

the shadows are pre baked? the texture has its own shadows

can we remove them through software editing

[desert ridge]

It looks significantly better now.

[cloud crypt]

as you can see in the second picture the prebaked shadows are nearly gone

[vague sparrow]

oh yes

now its an albedo map

[cloud crypt]

i will test em out

i only used the one with prebaked shadows because we couldnt utalize full PBR until now

but now its looking aweful

[balmy chasm]

Did you change Rougness map?

[vague sparrow]

add a metallic map with all black

[desert ridge]

Some area look too smooth, maybe height map change to version 2?

[cloud crypt]

so roughness is still the old

[desert ridge]

Does it appear different? I believe the remix default material is not metallic.

[vague sparrow]

i have no clue on why its shiny so that's my assumption

[cloud crypt]

could be the normal map to flat?

[balmy chasm]

I assume this map to do wet stones. Try to remove it and set some shade of gray for testing

[vague sparrow]

the shiny effect does add a little moist feeling to it when you consider the above vegetation

[cloud crypt]

its not only that, some details be missing

[desert ridge]

I think your original normal map is OK, maybe use white material texture in Remix menu can see the problem.

[cloud crypt]

if make that one a bit darker, maybe i could use this as roughness map?

but i currently have 1 big problem: i cant install usd composer anymore

[balmy chasm]

VPN?

[cloud crypt]

nope, and i use automatic dns

[vague sparrow]

looks good

[cloud crypt]

error while installing

[vague sparrow]

i bet no one will look at the tyre grooves

[desert ridge]

It disregards the diffuse and roughness maps, only displaying the normal map and height map. This allows you to identify the cause of the problem more easily.

[desert ridge]

This is just a test where I used my existing bump map. However, I encountered issues with the POM on curved surfaces. Therefore, I have decided not to use it in the github release.

[vague sparrow]

using actual geometry would be more beneficial

[desert ridge]

Creating the actual geometry of the model is much easier for me than making textures for each tire. However, I have to create numerous tire meshes because the game has various rims, and each rim corresponds to a different tire mesh hash. It's a significant amount of work to accomplish.

[cloud crypt]

new roughness map

[balmy chasm]

White mode?

[cloud crypt]

yes

looks like that from an angle now

[balmy chasm]

It's not wet and detailed from what I can see. But why white mode shows things almost flat?

[cloud crypt]

thats the current normal map

and here is one i newly made

currently in use is the first one

[ember river]

Oh, you have POM + normal maps applying depth "twice" to the bricks pattern

[cloud crypt]

so i only have to use pom?

[ember river]

Not exactly, you could use POM for low frequency large details like you're using now, and leave normals to define high frequency micro details

[cloud crypt]

so i should tweak the normal map to a point where only small details geht displayed and in pom only big things like the edges from stones?

[balmy chasm]

You can have both high detailed. But make sure the smallest details go to the Normal

[desert ridge]

I recently converted my old 3dsmax Porsche Carrera model to Blender. I can't imagine that a game that is 20 years old would have such intricate details for every car. However, the priority is to fix the mesh hash issue in remix. Otherwise, all the effort would be in vain.

[cloud crypt]

smth like this then

[balmy chasm]

You made this grating a mesh???

[desert ridge]

Yes, I believe I used something like "mesh wrap" to wrap around the mesh. I enjoy adding small details that people may not even notice

[balmy chasm]

Ye, but considering the detail level of a steering wheel(as example) it seems kinda overshoot. You could just use a texture with Normal on it

After all if you optimize this model, it can fit into the game easily

[desert ridge]

Even though this thing is not visible in the final render, I still took the effort to create it.🤣

[desert ridge]

I will not convert everything for the game; instead, I will select elements that are common to every car.

I'm not sure why some elements become triangulated while others remain as quad meshes when converting to an FBX file. It's quite frustrating.

[balmy chasm]

May be you set non-manifold convertion?

[desert ridge]

I'm not sure about the reason, but in Blender, you can change some of them back to quad meshes. However, since the game still utilizes triangulated meshes, it's acceptable to ignore it. I simply want to experiment with modifying it and adding more detail to see how it looks in the game.

[cloud crypt]

I will do the rest of editing tomorrow after work, for now ill go back playing motorfest or smth else.

I can do a fulldive into it then so it will be the first texture with pom then in the repo

[balmy chasm]

Can't wait to see results

[tawny elk]

Now this is an RTX remix mesh.

[jade briar]

fr

[desert ridge]

@cloud crypt You can visit ambientcg.com to explore a collection of CC0 textures. They provide high-quality textures created using Substance Painter. You can compare the differences between height maps and normal maps for reference.

I am currently learning to use Mixer to create PBR textures. I hope that this skill will enable me to contribute to the team by producing higher quality textures.

[cloud crypt]

I will get it done somehow, but thanks for recommendation

[desert ridge]

Why does the white mode appear nearly flat? There seems to be an issue with it. I noticed that your height map doesn't seem to have many distinct plane pieces when viewed up close. That's strange. Perhaps there's something I'm doing incorrectly with the height map.🤔

[sharp sinew]

White is 0 displaces inwards, black is most inwards

[desert ridge]

@cloud crypt
I figure out what the problem, the real problem is the diffuse, rough and the height map not physical correct, so it's look strange.
try this setting for you height map parameter:
asset inputs:height_texture = @./textures/walls/A56E0164DE273F09_height.dds@ (
colorSpace = "raw"
)
float inputs:displace_in = 0.02
I have modify your map in photoshop, it's look ok now, but the height map and normal map still need to rework.

[desert ridge]

I increased the shininess of the rock to test the displacement effect, which resulted in it looking somewhat unusual..😅

It appears that Remix is not accurately casting shadows with the POM effect.

By setting the "displace_in" value to 0.1, the shadow becomes visible. However, it seems a bit too strong.

[ember river]

Well, the normals and pom seems about right to me now. Its just a matter of adjusting the albedo which got quite washed out, and the roughness to ideal values

[desert ridge]

When applying the "Anisotropic Filter," it appears that the shadow details in the distance become washed out. This phenomenon is quite unusual.

[cloud crypt]

As i said i do that after eork

[worldly cairn]

I'm still surprised this is the one game of all the ones Im following that seems to get the most work/attention... and those normals look pretty sweet

[cloud crypt]

In 3 hours i am done with work and in 3.5 hours i will rework that wall

[cloud crypt]

i could install usd composer now, toook me 2 hours of troubleshooting... now i will rework the Wall

So i need a normal, a roughness and a height map if i got it right

and to create them, i will use this albedo without prebaked shadows

[ember river]

It is among the most compatible games to get remix working. Most games we try have too many issues or straight up don't boot up

[cloud crypt]

well

Taking this height map and creating a normal map in Materialize. This height map got generated in Substance Sampler

but that only has a range from 0 to 0.5

this one has a range to 1

so im a bit clueless

[ember river]

Its coming along

use the 0-1 range and adjust the depth with the displaceIn param

[cloud crypt]

ok thx

Layers i used

new roughness map

no mor prebaked shadows, height map from sampler and normal map from materialize

[ember river]

Hmm that is looking really good

[jade briar]

I'm sorry, but that to me, looks ugly

[ember river]

Sadly the albedo still has some microshadowing which should be a pain to remove

[jade briar]

It's just smeary

Deatails make 0 sense

[ember river]

I mean, the other maps are looking quite good

[jade briar]

Yeah the others are good

But the diffuse is straight up messed up

[cloud crypt]

well, i exported it in 1024p from sampler

i get what you mean... let me see

[tawny elk]

Don’t use tile on the texture. It’s already tiled.

[cloud crypt]

i didnt

well, not completly

tiling in sampler just tile some spots

[cloud crypt]

hm, somehow, with prebaked shadows, it looked better

[balmy chasm]

Looks about right

[cloud crypt]

float on 0.03 instead of 0.02 since i now use a different height map

and if you think my texture is smeary, these are too

but these are on another level since this is a new mesh and my only a texture xd

but looking from that angle they look just fine

or at that position

[balmy chasm]

Oh, can you just record a short video showing it from different angles?

[pallid river]

ROCK AND STONE

[cloud crypt]

well, that short video is over 200mb big so i cant upload here

oh, wait, it scaled to 4k instead 1080p

[pallid river]

uh

[balmy chasm]

That's what I've been afraid about. Sharp edge on tile seam

[cloud crypt]

the problem is, that the meshes are curved and have different position and height. I cant create a texture where this wont happen on that wall and adam doesnt want me to tile it

well. i got more details ot of the albedo, but its now 43MB in size

[balmy chasm]

I meant the feature of POM which creates a hard edge on any surface. If you have tiles - it will appear between them. So only 'seamless' use is in closed meshes without UV tilling, just like car underhood

[cloud crypt]

problem: it never was a seamless texture

if you look cloesely you will see it

i could create a complete new wall texture with seamless textures

but not today since i need to get to work tomorrow at 7am, so in 10 hours

so basically smth like that with smth on top

but not today, see ya tomorrow

[fiery steeple]

pls connect team wirever instal rtx remix mod ug2

[ember river]

@cloud crypt
I reworked your albedo a bit using some masking and filters trickery in Krita, trying to remove those microshadowing bits and also generated new normals to bring back those microdetails. Its very far from perfect, it has become another type of wall completely, more like sandstone bricks, but its the best I can do without sitting a whole day handpainting each lil detail.

• The first 2 pics I multiplied your roughness map by a low factor just to debug the normals, while the 3rd and 4th are using your original one.
• I'm only focusing on microdetails in this, It should all come together once POM is applied, I didn't try it since blender doesn't ships with any POM nodes afaik

[fiery steeple]

pls connect team vierever instal rtx mod ug2

[ember river]

Here are the maps btw. The normals might be inverted between directx/opengl/blender/remix/whatever, so just check if it is correct before throwing everything else together to the mix

[ember river]

There is a black border on the roughness map on each of the 4 edges

[balmy chasm]

What

[ember river]

some minor overlook I guess

[balmy chasm]

But it doesn't matter if Height and Normal have no border

[ember river]

It just makes the seams more reflective. Since I don't have the original texture I won't bother fixing it now, gonna leave that one for hellraven to wrap everything up 😉

[cloud crypt]

oh, thx @ember river that save me a lot of work

only need to create a height map then. Thx 🔥

[ember river]

You can try the ones you were already working with, should work fine

[daring herald]

isn't that odonata cinema's render

as i know odonata cinema isn't related to TUFU

[jade briar]

No

[severe solstice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/518268228993286150/1154568978874761278/ezgif-4-7d2cb8d726.gif

[snow coral]

if you have just only normal map, you can try this to create Height map. TBH it's doing really great and pretty much accurate job. here and there can be a bit problematic places, but otherwise it's really fast and simple
http://charles.hollemeersch.net/njob/

It's not that good with texture atlases when they are too close together, but In case of something like stones, or especially ground it is really great tool. Maybe one of the best I've found

Another example

[pallid river]

game is doing da thing where it only runs on dlss perf again
so weird

[cloud crypt]

Trunk carpet

[jade briar]

They'd be better off remade as mesh

There's only so much that you can do with just textures

[cloud crypt]

and the carpet?

[jade briar]

Carpet texture looks good

[cloud crypt]

ok, i will create a PBR for it too, but currently working on the wall again XD

[cloud crypt]

Created a new, now actually seamless, wall texture. What do you think?

[pallid river]

remake it

[cloud crypt]

probably only have to smooth the edges a bit, thats not a problem, takes a 2 or 3 minutes

just wanted to show my w.i.p results

[pallid river]

looks great

[cloud crypt]

try now to spot any sharp edges 😝

[ember cobalt]

😛

[cloud crypt]

thats normal becase of sampler behavier

it does this XD

[cloud crypt]

which albedo you think will work better?

i will test both, but whats your oppinion?

normal map with focus on micro details

Result n Materialize

[cloud crypt]

ingame with the albedo from Sampler

with my albedo

They get used very often

[balmy chasm]

Have you tried second one?

[cloud crypt]

Yes both

[cloud crypt]

Thats the second 1

[cloud crypt]

Thats the fisrt 1

[balmy chasm]

They're same somehow

[cloud crypt]

Theyre not lol

One is sharper with less dark shadows and the other is has smoother textures

[vague sparrow]

anyone tried working with trees? they will look good with Tesellation or that POM thing

but need to replace it with a high quality tree

[cloud crypt]

But maps are the same exept for albedo

[cloud crypt]

Nope, theyll get a new mesh

[balmy chasm]

The most significant part is concrete slab, which is way more pleasant on second Albedo. It looks realistic

[vague sparrow]

who is working on them?

[cloud crypt]

Which one?

[balmy chasm]

You want to use Height map for bark?

[vague sparrow]

yes

[balmy chasm]

Concrete slab here

[cloud crypt]

I think its ugly, like my version more

[balmy chasm]

As we discussed, it can be unpractical to use POM on curved surfaces. Especially when you plan to replace mesh entirely

[cloud crypt]

That one youre talking about uses the albedo of Substance Sampler

[vague sparrow]

is there a way to add emissive maps to tail lights?

or are we going to replace them with actual mesh too

[balmy chasm]

We will replace mesh for sure. And yeah, there's a way, but it is more complicated than putting emissive and increasing it's intensity. You need a light source as well

[vague sparrow]

hmm

time to find source documents so i can make them

and just keep them ready when toolkit releases

[balmy chasm]

Emissive use sRGB map with black being no emission and any color value/brightness being an emissive color. Nothing complicated here

[desert ridge]

I have experimented with replacing the taillights mesh, which has allowed me to achieve a more realistic result compared to using a simple emission texture. However, this approach requires significantly more effort and work than simply changing the texture.

I will share a screenshot at a later time.

[open atlas]

what do you mean taillight mesh -- u2 uses texxtures for taillights

[vague sparrow]

we are trying to replace the texture with a mesh

[open atlas]

youd have to replace the entire car mesh

[vague sparrow]

well not trying, but mostly conceptualizing it

[vague sparrow]

Dw i think we got enough talent here to do that

[jade briar]

Have you tried hard enough?

[open atlas]

[vague sparrow]

harf

[jade briar]

Harf

[vague sparrow]

yall putting all the effort in one game

crazy

[jade briar]

Not

[ember river]

Rn I'm working on some bushes and the tall zahidi date palms along the avenues, which are actually all over the map.
Will move at some point towards more tree species out there
And yeah, they're meshes atm

Works best as high poly meshes, but I can see tree barks taking advantage of some pom for larger bumps and details depending on context

[blazing bone]

God, if i had the equipment i would've photoscanned a palm tree, my dad's farm is filled with it

[jade briar]

Grab a cc0 off sketchfab

Making the bridge sides

Looks good?

@ember river

[ember river]

Thats looking pretty good. Love the depth on the deteriorated bits

[cloud crypt]

Problem: The bridge sides arent flat

[jade briar]

Solution

shut

Let me cook

[desert ridge]

There is no problem, we can wrap something around a path or mesh in Blender.

[balmy chasm]

What is bridge sides though? 😅

[vague sparrow]

how

🤨

[jade briar]

dunno

Maybe I had a game running in the back

[vague sparrow]

hmm, even if it was chugging 8 gigs, its not a problem for u

[jade briar]

Even if it was taking 20 gigs

[ember cobalt]

yeah so uh

my Windows install definitely has issues. i'm idling at 14 GB VRAM used for some reason

hm. seems it was firefox and discord. i did have like 250 tabs open though, which i forgot about

[vague sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/report-calling-the-police-im-disturbed-gif-14028290

this is a major crime, that vram is going to waste lol

[ember cobalt]

lol

[tawny elk]

Photogrammetry meshes on everything

[open atlas]

https://zolika1351.pages.dev/posts/saying-goodbye that explains why no one could get a hold of him

[bright hedge]

thirteen being an ass

[desert ridge]

Taillight replacement Demo

[restive magnet]

gorgeous

[jade briar]

Beautiful

Looking good

[timid prairie]

impressive as hell

[desert ridge]

I separated the taillight glass into individual meshes so that I could assign different glass textures to them. However, when I change the car's base paint color and the body meshhash is changed, the meshsmooth version of the taillight mesh reverts back to its original mesh.

[jade briar]

ahhhhhhhhhhhh

shit

[desert ridge]

The only way to customize the car's texture and different body parts seems to be by making changes outside of the game. Otherwise, I can only modify the traffic mesh. I don't want to spend too much time dealing with the issue of mesh hashing changes.

I have a great passion for this game and I don't want to give up on it. However, the issue with mesh hashing is truly frustrating.

[surreal ruin]

Yeah it's why the current group working on it for a while now hasn't done anything to the cars

The hash issue just kinda kills it

[desert ridge]

I have a dream of creating exceptionally high-quality cars that can be used in the game. However, I am a 3D modeler and not a game developer, so the easiest and only way for me to achieve this is through Remix. I kindly request Nvidia to address and resolve the issues with it.😭

[ember river]

Car paint/decals and vynils changes the mesh hash too or only body parts (from the green shop)? If only actual body part geometry changes the mesh hash, then its a blessing rather than a curse. That way we can remodel each body part individually and uv remap textures to them.
If paint/decals/vynils also change the mesh hash, then we have a problem

[desert ridge]

The most noticeable car body parts in the game that do not change the meshhash are the taillights and headlights. Therefore, my primary focus is on modifying these parts first. Once I complete this task, I plan to work on recreating the traffic mesh and replacing the buildings.

[jade briar]

I think you should start with buildings because they are simpler. This way, you can better learn the remix toolset without having to worry about changing hashes and other complications.

Also the highway meshes

Do those

[cloud crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/you-heard-the-man-nicola-foti-soundlyawake-you-got-that-from-the-man-thats-what-he-said-gif-25152574

[jade briar]

Because as I said before, I want the highway parts to be done so that the next release can be pushed out.

[cloud crypt]

Well, the underside is done already, but i need to know how to merge😅🤌

[desert ridge]

Are you referring to retexturing the existing mesh or completely replacing it with a new one?

[jade briar]

Whichever fits. We can get away with just retexturing most parts without making new models.

[jade briar]

Like this texture that I made today

[cloud crypt]

Or this one

[jade briar]

But some buildings that are close to the road can use some work

[jade briar]

I don't think it appears anywhere near the highway.

[cloud crypt]

Right here i am beneath a highway

[desert ridge]

Texturing is not my strong suit; I prefer to focus on detailed modeling instead.

[cloud crypt]

But well, i need to know how i can merge the bridge underside i did before into the project, or ill send you the files and you merge it

[desert ridge]

Perhaps I can find some props along the highway to use as replacements for mesh models first.

[jade briar]

You can start with buildings like this

Or these

[cloud crypt]

This one i made

[jade briar]

These also look simple enough. I might even make this myself

I'm not very experienced with modelling.

[cloud crypt]

I cant model at all🤣

[desert ridge]

Creating textures is challenging for me as it is not my area of expertise. However, we each have our own unique strengths, so we can work together as a super team by combining our skills.

[jade briar]

@desert ridge If you want to get started with redoing the models, can you start with this? Looks simple enough for a first replacement building.

[desert ridge]

Should we replace it with interior or not?

[jade briar]

Should replace the interiors in rooms with the lights on.

[desert ridge]

Alright, I will work on it tonight. It's currently 6:22 am, so I need to go to sleep now.

[jade briar]

OKay

[ember river]

Its also good to notice some buildings have wildly unproportional scale, some doors are like, 5 cars tall. Some reworking thinking on that would be pretty sick

[timid prairie]

same crap

[timid prairie]

i think replacing the interiors in rooms with lights off would be great too

with pure black boxes of course, so windows could had more depth

[balmy chasm]

Make sure to fit it into project structure please. We have map and namings pre-described already

[spark moon]

PBR 😂

[vague sparrow]

the ground texture is alpha i think

which is causing the octotex tool to mark as reflective

turn it false

[uncut bay]

Need for Speed Underground Remastered Definitive Edition 2023 Special version 2.0

[trail quail]

only for 1999.99$

[desert ridge]

Wow, that's a really affordable price considering it includes numerous high-quality assets that can be used in various contexts beyond just gaming.

[timid prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/flexing-my-money-mark-phillips-rdcworld1-showing-my-money-bragging-my-money-gif-26337325

[trail quail]

that was a joke about current situation in gaming industry

🤓

maybe a bit old

i mean, im just laughing at the ai, and not the hard work that was put in the assets remastering

sorry if i said smth wrong

[vague sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/migos-offset-takeoff-dab-drip-gif-12911271